Matthew J. Bell | Bankers Trust, Nicholas Roerich, & The Mystic Stone From Sirius

00:00 It's the end of the world as we know it, but I feel fine. From The Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood and we've all heard these Shakespearean phrase all the worlds a stage but what about the script? Who writes that and how many are there because so often we find repeating themes dates names and archetypes that suggest the seemingly infinite possibilities have a complex in chaotic reality actually tend to align Moving along some sort of cosmic grooves, and metafictional plot points weave between the world of creative arts and real events in a way that makes one wonder what even is real. And while we on the outside are left wondering it also feels as if a certain class of esoteric insider Michael Hoffman calls The Cryptocracy has somewhat cracked this mechanism and games it regularly

00:52 It seems like terms like synchromysticism, twilight language and revelation of the method all have their hands on some part of this mystic elephant. And the ever-increasing examples of the phenomenon only help the uninitiated to further map its shape Well, returning to the THC stage is the now thrice great Matthew J. Bell He's a self-motivated reality researcher well versed in the synchromystic arts and he produces a wide range of deep diving material under these Synchro Mystic moniker on both YouTube and Substack He's even been taking things a little bit further lately, defining and refining a slightly new approach to these things he is calling synchromystique or analytical synchronisticism. Pulling from the perspectives of names like James Shelby Downer Jim Brandon and Michael Hoffman on one hand and fusing them with insights from Carl Jung and Wolfgang Pauli on the other

01:41 We've covered many great synchromystic threads in the tapestry of life with our first two shows, and I'm sure lucky number three will be no different. The great pattern parser deep detail detective and the maestro of the synchronistic technique Mr Bell my good man welcome back. Well, thank you so much. Yeah that made me exclaim audibly. So I had the Thrice Great Reference. That was very well written there. Hey thanks! I always love when i get a laugh in the middle of an intro. It's gonna be a good day. Yeah exactly that was... all of those points were quite... The hand on the mystic elephant and that was another one. That was great right yeah that's sort of the way to describe it yes

02:25 Always great to talk to you again i always learn new things and you've written some great pieces since we last spoke just over a year ago and today were kind of branching off a new post that you previously mentioned or tease that you are working on but now it's out the bank, that touched everything bankers trust the wandering stone in the shadow of nine eleven asynchronous investigation. I like it a lot. So often the question of foreknowledge on 9-11 focuses on the owner of the towers, Larry Silverstein and his terror attack insurance policy that paid out double arguing that each tower was attacked separately so he got two big paychecks

03:04 Will you highlight another very sketchy financial bet that paid off big for someone? I don't know. It's still not clear on if we even really know who, but the catalyst for actually getting this post done seems to be a much more recent story from May of this year where senior CIA official David Rush had his home raided by the FBI and then they found 40 million in gold, a couple million in cash and some other miscellaneous valuables. I'd love to know what those were but this apparently all came from CIA accounts and the story has some of the same beats as this story that goes back to 9-11 right?

03:41 Yeah, right. Well it's interesting that actually the catalyst for it was the discussion that we had and I thought all right I'm going to actually put that together but what happened as so often does with synchronicities is that David Rush story literally just developed as I was writing The Banker's Trust piece in any case and I thought it had obvious points of resonance in certain respects so I couldn't have not included a mention of it I didn't connect it to the main investigative line. It was simply, here you have this CIA agent with 40 million in gold bars! You just can't make this stuff up. It's crazy. But the latest on him which i just looked at before our conversation is evidently that they're accusing him of fabricating

04:29 an entire sort of like covert operation which he was using to funnel funds i didn't really focus on him let me take a step back and just say. I'm developing history of synchronous this is one of the things that hit me as i was reflecting on that histories that i think, distinction has to be made between deep politics or pair of politics on one hand in just like sink hunting on the other A distinction that i think does real work when it comes to this kind of a case clearly they dovetail, they obviously dovetail and then there are thinkers you included i would like to count myself in this blend the two perspectives many times. You know jay dyer i mean others that you would know

05:11 probably be able to rattle off more easily than I. But in this article, I think I jumped from sort of one foot to the other in terms of the sink hunting and the deep politics. So the David Rush story... I kind of threw a few names. Like Rush Limbaugh, his name has that kinda resonance. There are some Lexi links there but I think that David Rush story is squarely in the deep politics side of The Ledger and it harkens back to people like General edward lansdale who is also if anybody seen you know the. Colonel proudy interviews that are online proudly mentions landsdale and they were evidently connected, landsdale with cia the story goes that landsdale was trying to find yama sheet this gold

05:59 for the US government at some point, you know after World War Two. So I don't know fifties late forties or something did he find it interesting to speculate that possibly the Central Intelligence Agency had its hands on this gold and was able to run black operations for some time on the basis of it? I have no evidence for it. I'm just spitballing but then interestingly You could dovetail that we sort of you know the nixon shock in the pulling of the gold window like they needed some other mechanism funding maybe the gold ran out and sixty eight or seventy one when nixon close the gold window anyway i don't dwell on those points either, in the peace but i just throw them out there because here you have the cia involved with gold again just like david rush. Or at least involved with money so you mentioned the put options and of course i mean i'm the opposite of a financial wizard if you look at my

06:58 Bank ledger you'd be appalled i'm think but in any case the put option is essentially a bet that a stock price is gonna fall so for person bets that it's gonna fall somehow they make money, if a company does worse or fat lease their stock does worst so the background for these put options was that. In the run-up to 9 11, and I don't have the dates in my head. It's like in the run up to nine eleven major put options were purchased on things like American Airlines United Airlines well of course their stocks declined after 911 because they were involved in this tragedy obviously so Morgan Stanley Dean Witter which was an occupant? I think it had three floors on the trade in one of the Trade Towers and of course its stocks declined on account

07:46 of its headquarters being attacked. So this resulted in something on the order of a couple million dollar windfall for whoever placed these bets, and as you said... The tracing out who placed the bets was more than a little tricky but the name that I discovered years ago in this respect quite an odd name even though he and his brother are both sort of like plugged into the establishment is this guy named Alvin Bernard kronkard K R O N G A R D his nicknames are myriad one of them is just his initials so he's often imprint a b krongard or buzzy which kind of harkens back if you want to buzz aldrin and or something like that say there were the bees if you remember the serious rising recording. You know sometimes,

08:36 The hum of the bee has that sound and I remember somewhere seeing that there a name for Satan was, you know Lord of the Hum or Lord of the Buzz or something along the lines of The Flies and that kind of thing. So but any case sorry i just want to um jump in here because yeah Alfred Bernard Krongard ABC is interesting now this guy the first guy like you say there's no real connection the two stories it just seems like you started digging up this story and then the news cycle made another story that rhymes. The theme's being a CIA official with unaccounted for wealth and the agency itself making a criminal investigation referral to the FBI, they're like hey one of our guys might have done something why don't you take care of it but

09:19 But man, David Rush. Every time you say David Rush I just think David Grush because like that name is so synonymous with what we do around here and probably CIA connected as well but yeah if this David Rush guy would have just not been so bold maybe two million in gold? You could've got away with it! I had to look it up 40 million in gold weighs about 680 pounds So a quarter tonne about Yeah, you really overplayed your hand buddy. That's simple case You know greed destroys all but I just wanted to quote this because it's from your piece and it is getting right into what we're talking about The parallel stories that right after 9-11 put options purchased on United Airlines and American Airlines, in effect financial bets that those stocks would collapse spiked to levels 25 times the year to date average. The firm though which at least some of these options were placed traced back to an operation called Bankers Trust a successor of which was for years chaired

10:15 by a guy who later became the CIA's executive director, its third-ranking official and effective COO. So there is a clear connection He was never charged with a crime as the 911 Commission attributed the trades to a single unnamed institutional investor and also unnamed newsletter recommendation others were less satisfied And when I mentioned that I was unclear it's because what happened is actually kind of funny because People started to become aware of this massive bet that looks like insider knowledge and so the claiming of the.

10:53 prize pool, the winnings went unclaimed for a long time. It's like a guy who maybe had an insider track on the lottery and then wins is like shit I'm kind of afraid to go collect because uh i kind of blew up my spot here so that is just interesting but those are the parallels of the two stories and that is what gets us into the story of Bankers Trust which is at the center of everything started by JP Morgan What should people know about its influence and how it fits in? Yeah, sure. Let me dive into that I just want to comment on the weight of those gold bars as you were talking about

11:29 It's one of those signals we're talking off the air about a case where the way it's delivered is sort of like preposterous it's unbelievable there's a sense in which, a person would be you know forgiven for getting those senses about this as well like this guy on his own had this gold cord in his house i mean especially the fbi connection. When you realize that some of the major players in history of the central intelligence agency were crossovers FBI CIA. You know robert may he was one example i just pops into my head the guy who is associated with howard hughes,

12:07 Harvey king you know the guy who is associated with the kennedy assassination among other people they were at one point in the fbi and another point cia but yeah crime guard has a foot in the camp so people don't miss this connection crime guard as you say was the number three in the central intelligence agency he was simultaneously or anything him in his dossier i dont, i'm not saying he was holding both positions necessarily the same time but he was also with alex brown and alex brown the financial operation was bought out by this bankers trust now the reportage of these put options had it that the put options were placed through.

12:49 Alex Brown and Bankers Trust, that Krongaard was involved somehow in the placing of these put options. So he's simultaneously placing bets that as you put it very concisely suggest inside knowledge of advanced knowledge of the 9-11 attacks and he is also the number three guy at a certain point in his history of the Central Intelligence Agency so I mean there's a little bit you know sort of like suggestiveness in that connection but it gets even weirder and this is what i had in mind when I resolve to write it, is that the bankers trust headquarters if you look at a map. Is literally just located i mean its like the next building that did was in the nine eleven ground zero complex all the buildings that were affected in some way one into or destroyed building seven and we talked before about the forty seven phenomenon

13:43 building one and two they both had forty seven steel columns in a building seven was supposedly forty seven stories high well the bankers trust headquarters is literally just south of it i mean on a map i don't mean like you have to draw line and travel several blocks or miles, the bankers trust building was literally could've been affected by nine eleven. What was wasn't it i believe there is something in your piece about how like a huge section of the building was damaged and survive nine eleven but it was close enough that like, the jenga tower of the twin towers falling did damage it's pretty close and what's very appalling about it was that it became repository for bone bits.

14:25 and that kind of stuff which makes it really grisly especially since the bankers trust headquarters previous was at fourteen wall street, who is basically configured symbolically to represent the tomb the monument how a car nasus mazal iam as the word i'm looking for the mazal iam. Hello can access which of course itself with a tune so you have this sort of like Toom symbolism baked in to the history of bankers trust yes your piece says seven hundred bone fragments were found on the top of this building we're talking about, and again i go back to what really happened on nine eleven because the idea that two planes hit a building two buildings and then they fell because of that. It just doesn't really resonate with a lot of the data doctor judy would of course is gone really hard on all the physics define

15:17 evidence at ground zero but why would seven hundred it's like people were broken apart like it just seems a little bit weird that you have seven hundred bone fragments on this building yes and from just the standpoint of magical theory if we just abstract away from the official stories and all that realize that, you know its cardinal rule of magic that. to achieve an effect requires sacrifice and often it requires human sacrifice. So it's just an appalling sort of scale, but something I didn't bring into the article which I probably should have in which Jim Brandon reminded me of you know, of course he reads these and many times contributes his insights as well come on the show. Jim please interview with ya yeah but he mentioned

16:04 I guess it was kind of a little disappointed that i didn't mention which was the missing two point three trillion that was reported as part of the story you know rumsfeld. When on september the tenth and repeated said well we can track some two point three trillion is because of bad computers and all that kinda thing now it has been i think established i looked up at this wasn't the first time this figure with put out there so its not correct to say that runs fell, Disclose this for the very first time but it is correct to say that he did remind people of it on September the 10th that there was a missing 2.3 trillion just put that in perspective, the put options were something like two point five million

16:47 The missing money from the pentagon was two point five trillion and yet you have a connector between the two obviously they were both implicated in nine eleven so bankers trust is there at the epicenter of placing of the two point three put option that results in two point five million and it wins profits everyone but gains And the two point three trillion which rumsfeld just repeated on september tenth which the pentagon supposedly it was like well, our computers are old and you know we're having trouble with it's just a small you know some pocket change we can find some to point three trillion dollars.

17:24 But it's interesting that they're both connected in that way now you right to bring jp morgan of course thats part of the history bankers trust got going partially its a complicated story and again if i were more well versed in finance i could probably tell it a lot better but the name morgan obviously is resonant, It also implicates the aster family the asters aren't much talked about these days one of them. Met his end on the titanic in you got plenty of speculation that like jp morgan who is supposed to be on the titanic you know who died turned in his ticket that day or decided not to mean that day but decided not to go on the titanic of course survived whereas,

18:07 I can't remember is a john jacob aster the fourth or something like that yeah i made it to shirt about it okay okay miss out when you have to do this. Screenshot that i have to get one of those myself but yeah its very interesting tapestry not the trust in this case was sort of like, When i guess anybody can have a trust where you set it up and usually there's like no to beneficiary got somebody who is the, trust or gives them yes so somebody with money or with property. Gives it to a trustee handle on behalf of a beneficiary any people can setup living trusting you could be your own you can be your own beneficiary and your own trustee at the same time

18:50 But in this case with bankers trust it was set up to kind of be a clearing house for or a you know staging area for some of these wealthy people so there's a lot of names that come together and bankers trust and find it situated at ground zero there nine eleven, who is really kinda clincher. The mystical side of it, the very synchro-mystical side of it comes through this Russian mystic. But let me know if I didn't... Yeah! No that's great Nicholas Rorick we will get to him and I'm looking at the time because our plan is to wrap this story up in a complete nice package in the first hour and do something different in the second hour so to speed through Bankers Trust a little bit here its earliest president son-in-law departed from bankers trust to become the first governor of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York Benjamin Strong

19:38 benjamin strong the secret nineteen ten meeting on jackal island where roughly a quarter of the world's wealth was represented produce the federal reserve act with bankers trust fingerprints on it. It was for a time in the primary note of american financial power later serving as the leverage buyout vehicle for corporate raider henry cravis and is a training ground for none other than amazon dot com kingpin jeff bezos and the current better reserved chair jerome powell Bankers Trust headquarters was crowned with a seven-story pyramid. Its pyramid rhymes, deliberately or not, with the truncated pyramid on the back of the dollar bill placed there in 1935 by FDR's Treasury Secretary Henry Wallace under the documented influence of a Russian born mystic named Nicholas Rorick

20:26 I'll leave it to you to pick up there. Right, exactly! No, you're reminding me of these connections which we ought to emphasize that the seven-story pyramid also happened to be depending on how you count the courses of masonry 23 or 24 steps Which you can view pictures of the building is still intact you can come yourself but so some mysticism there yeah wikipedia the wikipedia article for the bankers trust connects bezos which is really interesting because, it's part of this i can't help but mentioning we have in the united states this kind of myth of the self made millionaire or the self made person i.

21:04 I'm hard pressed to try to find a really good example of this and base us as a case in point in this case you know the story is you know he's in his garage no sort building amazon dot com from the simple online bookstore into the behemoth that it is today, and then you read that there's a possibility that basis with somehow working for bankers trust before amazon got going meaning there he is placed in. The belly of the beast in other words he still operating in the highest levels of american finance because if you wanna say it. in your summary there it's implicit that before the federal reserve you had bankers trust like that bankers trust in a certain sense was the launching pad for the federal reserve, it was also even in certain sense of precursor to it performed some other roles for the elite. That the federal reserve perform afterward and then the cravis connection means that a lot of private equity was funded

22:04 Or you know these corporate reader types and all that kind of thing but yeah nicolas work or rare it was a mystic he was a symbol is painter, he did some incredible paintings there's no question about it he was also involved in one of the stravinsky think was the right of spring he did some of the background. images for a staged production of stravinsky's the right of spring i mean you know when stravinsky was alive so he was well known figure and, the interesting part about this is one of fdr cabinet members started at the department of agriculture henry wallace. Henry agar wallace

22:48 who was fdr's vice president now remember if the are selected four times. Served three full terms you know he had three different vice presidents so wallace was his second vice president and it was i think partially because some of this connection to roar got out in the open that wallace was dumped from fdr's ticket, for the fourth go round which i'm pointing out simply to say that had wallace been on, the ticket that fourth time he would have been president when fdr died instead of truman but wallace considered nicolas were to be his guru and address them as such in letters and nicholas rohrich.

23:32 Professed to be in possession of a piece of what he refers to variously as the stone of destiny or the chintamani or you can even in wolfram van eschenbach telling of parcel and arthur legend. Eschenbach refers to the Holy Grail as a stone instead of a chalice. So, that picture here is that Rorik professed to be or was believed to be in possession of a piece of the Holy Grail and the vice president of the United States, uh, Wallace under... Second Vice President under FDR was in connection with this guy and was awaiting the arrival of the Stone in the United States. And this story can be told in

24:18 In various ways but i bumped into this in the coronation video that i did on charles the third because the stone of destiny, in one of its incarnations and. listeners have to bear in mind here that of course there's controversy about is there a stone at all where is it what's the legitimate stone but the british believe that the stone that they place under the coronation chair is the stone of destiny, that coronation chair is built to sit above a block of indescript nondescript rock.

24:53 And this is what they refer to as the Stone of Destiny in Britain. And the kings and queens are literally coronated sitting on this chair right above this stone, so the idea there is supposed to be that it's going to deliver them power? That it empowers their rule? That it blesses their rule? I mean however you want to put it...and you can tell a story where this stone is connected all the way back to the Bible where the patriarch jacob wrestle the angel and set up a sort of commemorative pillar. Add bethel so it's referred to as the battle stone or hit the jacobs pillow stone, hello meaning get out he put his head on that and had a good night when you had this encounter with this was god wasn't an angel i mean you know

25:42 You too has a line one of their songs jacob wrestle the angel in the angel was overcome i mean you know so this is the story and the idea then being that somehow this migrated to stone possibly by nicolas. Sorry joseph very mcfee at that took it to england or two year the british isles and some way before they were named that and somehow the stone ended up in britain and, There's a fight as to whether it's in scotland or britain but the idea is that. What wallace seems to be saying is that he was hopeful that this russian mystic was gonna deliver into his hands which then he could make available to people like,

26:22 the president this mystical object that would propel united states to further power and bear in mind being. The american century is variously dated but the twentieth century is referred to generally as the american century it's fairly just on if you just wanna think about it from political take up poly psych course and without the mysticism they'll tell you that shirt, What happened was, you know, the British and the French and so on got into trouble during World War II. And as John Mearsheimer says, we pulled their chestnuts out of the fire." So... We took over, The United States took over, The remnants of the British Empire took over the remnants of the French Empire. I mean, the French had had Vietnam when their ability to keep that under control went sideways. That's how the United States got involved in Vietnam at all. So the picture is

27:15 Here's Wallace commenting on the delivery to the United States of some stone. And then you have juxtaposed with that the rise of American power to superpower status. I mean, Americans... You know we had some clout before that because we obviously came in and tipped the balance say in World War One but nothing like what came about after it and its tempting to suppose that some of the people in power don't just think about as realpolitik where they're making decisions based on military procedure or political you know whatever and one of the evidence is for the fact that they consider these mystical dimensions, is the fact that fdr was also the president under whose watch the great seal was placed on the back of the dollar bill.

28:05 Yeah, I think that's so crazy. A lot of good information but my mom always just think about this i peg things to her birth she's kind of old now but she was born in 1942 That's only a couple years after the seal was put on the dollar bill I always think of that as like way further back in the timeline because it and my life is just so ubiquitous and you just think all that stuff with setting stone long before I came around It's really not that long ago But I'm definitely going to let you stick the landing. I'm gonna get, let you get the punchline out here but yes this guy Henry Wallace is waiting for his spiritual guru too maybe get this stone The Sign of Shambhala You also say Chichamani is Sanskrit for Stone Of Wisdom There's a lot of mystique around it. You hit us with some. I'm gonna add some more or we may be you will after this

28:57 As you say, the stone in question has so many esoteric associations it'll make your head spin and Rorik supposedly carded it around with him in a small wooden casket. Where did he get it? It just showed up on his doorstep one day which is maybe code for I don't want to tell you how I got this but it could have also been a mystery Now hit him with the wild saying what was written on this small wooden casket and this casket that held the stone that made its way to essentially the same place new york city. Yeah bankers trust was written on the casket was written on the delivery box bankers trust of course spelled you know in the french right be a n q u e r apostrophe s bankers so bonkers trust but

29:46 Come to find out that bankers trust didn't just have its headquarters in new york of course it also had different satellite offices throughout the world one of them being in paris. When at the time nicolas rourke and his wife helena were both hold up in a hotel along i think was plus vindome real ritzy area of course, And by the way a rorik has an entire building that was made for him called the master billing in new york that now i believe houses his artwork. I think i think i'm right to say that were at least one time did but was given for his use and there's also an odd looking,

30:26 temple slash pyramidal structure on the roof of that building as well but to think then here's the picture. That work has this powerful object which may or may not trace back to the biblical patriarch jacob which mayor may not be identical with the holy grail and that was delivered to him by the bank, somehow was also implicated in the rise of the federal reserve which somehow also found itself at ground zero just a click south of the buildings that were mainly affected it was affected as you point out. Connected to jp morgan connected to the rise of amazon's jeff bezos connected to the rise of

31:08 private equity and various of you know venture capital so-called like rabbit i mean this this is why title the piece the bank that touch everything of course there just so many connections to this. Now you mentioned and i'll just pull the history back in and then let you riff on whatever you would like but yeah that the seal itself, the great seal going back to fdr's placement of it on the bill this seal itself goes back to the earliest days of the republic when it was devised but evidently just sort of sat unused. until it was supposedly discovered by Wallace when he was just like thumbing through, I mean this is the story. It's like he was just in you know maybe asking for some research and how they have the congressional research offices or something like that and he was asking for something and sat there and was thumbing through some brochure notices this then he brings it up to FDR

32:02 And the point being fdfdr was superstitious as you know and had. Supposedly you know never invited thirteen people he would always even in would ask his secretary to attend important functions sometimes if he thought he was gonna end up with thirteen at the table, so use this kind of guy who can i had this you know which is not uncommon i mean what reagan through his wife was using astrology to map out that times and places for him to sign the treaties and for him to make appearances going all that back to lincoln you know mary todd having seances in the white house like anything so there's always this undercurrent of the kind of mystic, the occult dick lurking just.

32:46 barely concealed. I mean, and if you look at just the layout of Washington D.C., then it's right in your face where you have this incomplete pentagram and all that kind of stuff. But anyway so all of this is taking place on that stage which as you mentioned in the introduction to All The World's A Stage. So here you have what modern holy grail channel belt-of transmission being played out allegedly in the corridors of power of Washington DC On the other side of the atlantic in places like paris these are key nodes both and finance and politics and. Yeah it was a whirlwind it is a world when i think there's a lot more to know about the french occult and their influence in the american government doctor heather lynn has been going on this and canada so ends even with the death charlie kirk and the whole thing about macron wife husband,

33:42 She's been looking at the French occult and Heather Lynn has talked about the Pleiadian rite. It's not the Pleiades, it's actually a little bit different but I mislabeled our episode The Pleiadian Rite as if it was Pleiades but it's different But they have this thing about castration and men becoming women And then you have Macron's wife was a man and was his teacher when he was a boy What? I mean, let's focus on that. Forget what you think about trans stuff but someone who is your mentor when you're under age should not end up being your wife husband and it seems like her connection to a french occult order that had to go through some kind of ritual and take this boy they have elevated him to the level president which implies that this order has quite a bit of power in the french government so they also gave us the statue liberty which is one of these eccentric icons that

34:40 People try to analyze some have said it's the goddess columbia that is being obscured others say its lucifer they say you can look at this statue of lucifer. And side by side it looks just like the statue of liberty and i also only just recently learned that the statue of liberty has a chain around the ankle you cannot see it from the ground you have to be in a helicopter or an elevated position but under the road there's a chain around the angle like on a chain gang or something And it's just bizarre. Some people have tried to interpret this as, because you have the book that says July 4th 1776 in Roman numerals and people have said that this means that the French were saying there is going to be a 250 year reign of Lucifer in America

35:27 And you know now people try to tie this into Trump and Trump is taking us away from the Luciferian age and blah blah blah But there is something weird about the French occult and why they would give us this statue, and how it has so much mystique around It. They just keep popping up! The French Occult. Now The Bankers Trust is written in French, and it's on this carrier for this Mystic Stone...the only other thing I want to throw out before I turn it back to you Helena rorschach nicholas's wife she described. This stone in her writing as the serpent stone and insisted that these stone come with and that quote it is the most grievous error to deny the stone she claimed to be able to channel, an entity named master more yeah

36:13 who conveyed to her in no uncertain terms the stone's significance. So there is an entity, Master Moria that she is communicating with that is associated with the stone now we're cooking with gas Now we're talking about entities that are attached to a mystic object That is making its way from some French I mean obviously a French origin of some kind and then ends up In the hotbed of power in the United States You have said so much there i've been writing furiously so don't forget to comment on any of these things but let me say first of all that if viewers want a writer who touches on some of these themes going back maybe she wrote a book in nineteen twenty four think it was its nested webster,

36:57 And the thing about nesta webster which i want to highlight here is that she was a kind of franken file which is unusual for people who are you know anglo and since that we speak english and french is like difficult then we don't tackle it now that will mister webster was different so she got into the. French masonry very heavily and studied it. And wrote a book which i once asked michael hoffman did his book secret societies in psychological warfare take any inspiration from webster he said no but jim brandon is definitely interested in nesta webster put me on to her cuz her, book secret society's and subversive movements i think is the name of that and

37:41 She's written several books but that is one that she did right and did get into the french connection if you like which by the way was the name of a film starring. Gene hackman french connection of course got into the corsican mob and there, Trafficking and i think it was heroin but in any case okay let me try to track along here so benjamin franklin. Was of course the master of the larger than nine uses and its often been stated that benjamin franklin sort of help to get the french revolution going in, in france after french government the king help to support the americans because they wanted a week in. The english so so in other words the american sort of like especially with ben franklin use the french to help defeat the english, but at the same time we're seeding the french revolution this is the idea so benjamin franklin even supposedly initiated voltaire in this watch the famous you know philip soul and

38:40 Implacable full of religion all that kind of stuff benjamin franklin being also a member the hellfire club from francis dash wood and i mean there's so many connections with franklin just by himself but you mention helen or the serpent stone. And I forgot to mention that this one of the identities or alter egos of this destiny stone, the Stone of Destiny or this thing is the possibility that it was a jewel from the coronet of Lucifer. When Lucifer in... and I guess you know, this is a story you can read in The New Testament how Angel Michael basically on God's order booted Lucifer out of heaven

39:21 And it says, you know St. John the Revelator I believe says that he beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven when Michael struck him down and so Satan the idea being in his confrontation with the angel Michael may have had this jewel dislodged from his crown and then that is one possibility for what this stone of destiny actually is which figures in with helen or works grievous error to deny the stone rhetoric and remember manly hall connects you know the. Spinal column with the kundalini which is represented as a serpent you've got the ancient maya who who had the serpent figuring in your head ancient gnostics who, add the serpent the serpent in the garden of eden i mean so serpent symbolism

40:09 is replete in various cultures and various times. Now you also mentioned the Statue of Liberty, And the connection there being, you know to... You brought it up through Macron and the castration idea. I'm mindful of the fact in your retelling that Obama has mentioned the fact that he had a transsexual nanny when he lived in Indonesia. Yeah, I had the same exact reaction when I looked that up. Just Google that, Obama transsexual nanny? But the Statue of Liberty, you're correct that it's sometimes been speculated to be variously identified. The Lucifer statue that's quite on the nose I believe was part of the iconography of the Theosophical Society's literature which they had this

41:00 magazine or newsletter called lucifer and on that newsletter was an image that is reminiscent with the torch extended up it's connected to prometheus because the fire bringer and all that kind of thing is also been possible, one candidate is semi ramos isis but here's an interesting thing about united states around the time statue liberty was delivered install use the melting pot. rhetoric about the united states shows up at that time people think of the united states were melting pot and that just what you said about the great seal going all the way back it's sort of like wait that was put on there in the thirties but when you think about when did the melting pot better come in well this came in around the turn of the century meaning the nineteen around nineteen hundred ninety no one there was a jewish playwright by the name of israel zong while who wrote

41:55 A play called the melting pot and that was attended even by such luminaries is theodore roosevelt but here's what i want to stay about, the idea of a melting pot is there are two sort of symbolical resonances that i can find for melting pot one is. A person that they referred to as offense in receiving stolen goods if i am a pickpocket and i take your gold i'm gonna sell the go to the fence the fences then gonna melt it down so that you can't later, find out that its your goal because this is gonna be in nondescript hunk of gold which maybe ties us back to a gold bar operation possibly where did they get that golden first place but in any case thats one application for melting pot so when you think about. How many people united states are mindful of bruce willis's

42:45 Line in pulp fiction he's like you know where american honey our names don't mean shit i mean like. The idea being that a lot of americans can't trace we get these genealogical records from twenty three and me or whatever ancestry dot com these genetic reports that tell us what our past is but we've lost the memory of it, we don't think of ourselves as a particular group coming from take your place with think of ourselves as american well think of the analogy with offense you take a good from somebody put into this melting pot and then its history is obliterated. So melting pot is one way of saying obliterate history the other way of saying it though is alchemical. It's the conjunctio a positive or the union of opposites as downer got into in serious rising part one you know it said the banner of individuation good and bad black and white joining together as young said for healthy purposes to try to integrate your psyche but god knows what,

43:46 is being done on a global scale because one of the ancient symbols in alchemy is the rabies, the r e b i s rabies. The androgyne the hermaphrodite the combination of the male and female which you see hinted at if not represented overtly in the bathroom that drawing credited to a file which has breasts and then a wand where the phallus would be so when you think about just. Ancient alchemy the end of backstory here with child just relay briefly is many,

44:26 Streams of the occult believe that ancient humanity primordial humanity was androgynous, that the original man in capitalistic terms adam kadmon was. Both male and female any composite play to get into this in his symposium where he has one of the It the symposium is a drinking party so it literally translates to its a bunch of people to story of them sort like shooting the breeze and getting philosophical in one of the retellings was like yeah we all used to be composite entities male and female your hermaphroditic, and that reason why we pine for love interest.

45:05 is because we're incomplete. You know, if we're looking for somebody to complete us and so the idea of a soulmate comes out of that and many other things beside but when you think about the emblem for that being this androgynous figure and then the fact that we actually have the ability using surgery using pharmaceuticals And then you can take it on Hoffman's pharmacostraductory and all that kind of thing that we have the ability to instantiate this ancient symbol you know the transsexual in a certain sense is the literal embodiment of a simple that probably two way eleven century alchemist would have simply been, i mean you know so anyway he got all those threads time together.

45:52 Final thing is the statue of liberty itself i'm just gonna riff a little bit in a wax philosophical here for me because, liberty of course the word comes from leaver toss now one of the projects that i want to do is i'm gonna title it. Well, I'm going to focus on the will. And what I want to point out is what did Alistair Crowley's religion quote unquote of Thelma translate to? Thelma means will he says that's one of his primary mottos you know do without wilt. I'm sorry did i say Nietzsche I meant Crowley Of course

46:27 Nietzsche on the other hand one of his most famous volumes is called the will to power so my point is here you have crowley and philemon you have niche in the will to power both emphasizing the well what does liberty mean it means leave or toss it has to do with the wheel. So in other words its a way of thinking michael hoffman, has concentrated on Twilight language and one of the words that he is proposed as a candidate term is Willard. Okay, like Willard Mitt Romney does the name but what does willard mean it means one who is willful? That is what it means What is drunkard mean one who is a drunk so what his will are mean It means one who is willful one who is eager

47:11 intentional one who is i mean it can be used positively or negatively you could call somebody a stubborn pain in the you know what by calling him willard, you know where you could say of them that they have resolve and so on and so forth and so anyway its all kind of a meditation and i think thats emblematic. Of the twentieth century is this focus on on the wheel end if u like to get there Theological for a second people like john millbank and radical orthodoxy trace that back all the way to the medieval Theologian dun scotus, but anyway I can get into that later No, I love how this just goes in so many different directions. I did not know about Barack Obama's trans nanny I did look it up It is true his mom met this woman named Evie That's my cat's name because of Evie Hammond and V for vendetta And she has an upset on being her forehead So Evie this

48:01 man woman was Obama's caretaker for eight years. I mean, that's most of your childhood and it's just interesting that there's all the speculation about Michelle Obama so i'm like look does Michelle Obama have a connection to France? And not really but Michelle Obama has noted that her very first trip outside of Chicago was a school trip to Paris as a teenager and then in April 2019 While in Paris for her book tour, she was aboard a dinner cruise on the Serene River when the historic Notre Dame fire broke out. When the fire broke out! Michelle Obama's on a dinner cruise on the river in France and also The Obamas frequently chose France for personal milestones notably in 2019 The family spent a highly publicized summer vacationing

48:54 in france when sasha was in high school so they do seem to go to france a lot i mean it's a little bizarre you think they got a can yeah that the thing they go to somewhere their black heritage is highlighted and they could show their kids where they came from that's a beautiful thing to do But with no real connection to France, and they're going there quite often. The world's a big place! They say it's a small world but you know there are 120 something countries you could go to if you keep going to France. The other thing that comes up in this is I interviewed Patrice Chaplin and i was so fascinated with this book she was married to Charlie Chaplin son, they divorced she kept the name.

49:35 wrote this book called the portal where she would go over to gerona spain which is only forty miles from the french borders right in the mountains there so, the french occult probably involved in gerona spain as well but her book is kind of boring because it's about a love story falling in love with this guy that happens to be pretty prominent and the secret society and gerona spain. And he shows her How to open this portal in the mountains it's not a physical opening but this consciousness portal in the mountains where you go do this ritual and you go to them out and you are just out of body transported and it's a crazy mystical thing she wrote a follow up book called the stone cradle and the stone cradle when she got further end with this guy is this artifact that they maintain this secret society injure on has land and they keep the stone cradle on this land but this

50:29 Stone cradle is shaped like a crescent and you can lay on it and it has some kind of liquid come out of that apparently it as crazy healing properties when she asked where did this don't come from they say, it fell from the sky. And it was a gift from the shining one and then she keeps prodding the shining when the shining one and they say its the light there it's lucifer so Lucifer dropped this meteor that has all these strange qualities and she learned about this whole story from the secret society that maintains it on private land in Gerona, 40 miles from the French border. It's like that is a hotbed! The Pyrenees...it's a real hot bed for this weird occult stuff but I'm just so fascinated with the idea

51:11 You could take it to nasa like chris noles always says space is an alter that nasa is not a scientific organization they are in a cult organization there doing a call. Rituals with the things that they do they make it look like science so we have these artifacts that come from space with entities attached it seems way more cold than it does, Astro physics see you know spacey what is fucking space it's just so bizarre so just to get us back on track i know we're almost at an hour but. But other parts of the stone's lore that I have written from you, according to Rorik's writings and esoteric accounts the Chichomani Stone is a cosmic talisman that originated from the Sirius star system and was sent to Earth to aid human evolution. In October 1923 while staying in Paris The Rorschachs reportedly received a mistress package containing a fragment of the legendary stone inside a leather casket

52:06 Rorik claimed that throughout history small fragments of this stone of heaven were given to great spiritual leaders and empire builders. I think that's weird Empire builders are tyrants with a lot of blood on their hands Spiritual leaders are the other end of the spectrum but for some reason these things get intertwined in this lore But according to King Solomon, Genghis Khan and Akbar The Great they're including these three names That's who Rorik said got the stone before vanishing and reappearing where it was needed most The Rorik's believed the main massive mother stone resided in the mythical hidden kingdom of Shambhala. So he, as you say was an artist a lot of his art actually involves this stone like he would paint it a lot Now the casket...the casket was prepared in Darjeeling India

52:59 In 1928, loaded with symbolic contents a portrait of the figure the Rorik's called Master Moria. I would be interested to see the portrait of this demon creature thing an image of the Buddhist Matareta, The Coming World Teacher? Yeah, the Maitreya Coins said to have materialized from the spirit realm various sacred fabrics and so on, all of which were bundled inside the antique box and were delivered to New York City at which point it was placed in the ceremonial cornerstone of the building dedicated and given to Nicholas Rorik. And here's the kicker you say, the casket in which the stone traveled... Oh says Bankers Trust yes we talked about that but as you say Rorik this weird Russian mystic

53:48 was the spiritual guru of the vice president under FDR and also this wealthy New York stockbroker, and Freemason 33rd degree you said who was named Louis Levy Horek. Now this guy is rich enough to erect a skyscraper in Manhattan call it The Master Building It's at 103rd Street and Riverside Drive And he dedicated it to Nicholas Rorick I mean the guy clearly had an influence I mean what that does a lot of stuff i'd like to talk about you know anything more about this being have you ever seen that portrait. Yeah well you can google and see your portrait of master moria doing it because love hot skis gets into the same people they're all part of her ascended masters, codery you know so she names could me and moria and will saint germain gets thrown in there by some people

54:45 They're part of the quote unquote ascended masters now let me connect that to work a little bit tighter because as you mentioned the shambhala angle it doesn't necessarily pertain to the bankers trust directly but what rork was doing so when henry wallace with secretary of agriculture he was sending nicholas roark to southeast asia on a mission for united states supposedly to search for drought resisting grasses because the united states is going through the dust bowl drought And they were looking, supposedly they were looking for grasses. But what Roark was actually doing supposedly was two things. Number one he was trying to drum up support for some kind of an Asian union that would have preceded the European Union. That was the idea but also he was looking for Shambhala this underground kingdom which René Guénon says is the outpost of the Lord of The World

55:36 and it's all underground this is where blavatsky also situate some of the ascended masters that they sort of look over humanity and rule time from some. Stronghold in what in a hollow earth cave somewhere there's also jay widener got into some kind of a pointer called the cross of on day, in somewhere in france which supposedly his decipherment says it points to some location in peru i think it is where it leads you into this underground lab but mention that of all places and four corners because a few authors more than if you have suggested that the four corner system kind of a hidden you mentioned the word portal has some kinda hidden portal to the underworld

56:20 Which also shows up in the trinity test stuff but by the way another word for portal is of course gate a dimensional gate and gates as a name bill gates, the former CIA director robert gates me. I can do an entire riff just on the gates name but what is a gate it is a portal it is a passage of threshold elemental sort of space also on the lucifer angle the worshipping of lucifer from this. Patrice chaplain there also are these who are the. They're in the middle east now its a touchy subject because they were served like genocided by icis,

57:01 Precisely because they were like all these guys are you know satan worshippers but they basically have this kind of lord that yes, the angel i think was towsy malik or something like that is what they refer to him as in by the way the peacock symbolism comes at this point which is its own trajectory. this tells me melancholy is referred to as the peacock angel the most beautiful i mean it says the basic biblical story of how lucifer was presented in places like the book of isaiah and the book of ezekiel has the most elaborately adorned angel, and partly through pride fell. You mentioned christopher noles on nasa of course the nasa symbol has a very serpentine like sort of red connector in it if you look at the logo for nasa it looks very much like a tongue of snake absolutely.

57:47 So you got serpent symbolism there. You asked the question about the dovetailing of like, is it physics? Is it magic? Well I get into that in the Trinity site piece but more along those wavelengths but think about Aleister Crowley There's a bit of dogger roll that Crowley was supposed to have penned at some point. I can't remember the source on this but in terms of where he wrote it But he says something like we have no need of virgin or pigeon our method is science our aim is religion and the point there is you have in crowley this dove tailing of the magical and the. Scientific that's great yeah make it out what you what you will but yet they are very I've made a study both philosophically,

58:34 and symbolically in this is part of you did plug it the idea that i'm the synchronous stick i'm thinking of is the analytics synchronistic system, and that points like this that sort of are those two intention absolutely. their intention the way you know the gateway arch in saint louis is attention if you remove the keystone at the top of your falls it can't stand without the keys to those two. Proxy analytic and a synchronistic are in tension, and i think they can be balanced with the key stone so that's kind of the trajectory but you could look at the development science

59:12 as a philosophy which comes out of british empiricism traces all the way back to people like sir francis bacon who by the way got into the new atlantis you know idea. Through people like john lock through people i gave him through the logical positive in the positives people like before you know, how good is comped Ernst mach who had a great influence on einstein you can make a case that i'm starting to get into this in time relations that i'm staying himself was under the sway of positive is it because thats why he makes light, the benchmark for the theory relativity. The idea of positivism basically fundamentally is that if you can't establish it empirically then you shouldn't believe in the logical positive take a step further people like aj air more slick they say that. If u cant establish something empirically than its literally meaningless now thats been more or less abandoned by,

1:00:07 epistemologist in philosophy but my point is that einstein was under the sway of the positive this and the change to logical positivism and so he predicates. Relativity he's like we can't speculate as newton thought we could about the world being god sensorium, that was newton's phrase and newton wrote more about alchemy than you did about physics believe it or not but when you get into the Einstein intern einstein really literally says look we want to make everything is empirically verifiable as we can and the speed of light we can measure you can see a beam of light you can measure it so it's empirical. So he fundamentally calibrates the theory relativity to them measurable because that is an important plank of what positive ism means anyway i'm just.

1:00:56 Give me the shotgun here but yes i love that the fire hose is a sad yeah final thing which i'll say is when you mentioned. Michelle obama and the obamas in paris and being there. I did connect don't think we've ever discussed it because it kind of receded in terms of the timetable only connected it was basically already in the past but the whole corona virus thing, was kicked off symbolically by that fire at notre dame and i have presentations where i basically read the. Entire corona virus type pageant as an extended feast of fools right and what's interesting about this is when january the six came round,

1:01:40 you know that sell right on what would have been termed twelfth night which is what the feast of fools dovetails with so. Trump had basically symbolically undertaken or had applied to him the role, off the king of fools and remember even recently another word for that was the pope of fools this is if you think of a disney film you know hunchback of notre dame when quasi moto ventures down out at the Tower and is crowned the king of fools because his looks are so hideous people think it's a disguise but trump. Posted tweet of himself for you know social media truth social post him in an AI looking like the pope, and made comments when france has died that he ought to be the pope or something along lines of that supposedly playful but point is you get this extended feast of fools reading that I think

1:02:35 One can maintain and I was surprised frankly by it that January the 6th seems to tie it in because two people who are natives of New Orleans Evidently the Mardi Gras season begins on January the sixth People don't show up, you know We all know about Fat Tuesday and we'll show up You know right before Mardi Gras but they start this celebration long before that And I was really sort of astounded to find that same Some date it to January the 6th, well before. Anyway all this is in play so go ahead now and reign me in! Well you know we're at the hour mark but I want to stick the landing here with the rest of my notes on this topic before we move onto some other stuff but yeah The Bankers Trust So of course the major connection is the phrase written on the casket But that's not the only connection because when Rorik was doing his expeditions

1:03:29 his corporate bank accounts were held at the banker's trust and in july nineteen twenty eight jf schmidt the vice president of the bankers trust company issued an official diplomatic letter of introduction to the american council general in bombay india, the bank explicitly vouch for calling him a valued customer they formally requested that foreign authorities quote facilitate is journey in india providing the crucial. institutional backing Rorick needed to move freely while carrying his esoteric artifacts so none of it would get confiscated or he wouldn't get locked up. So they basically were like, hey give this guy diplomatic immunity and that's the Bankers Trust! That's the vice president of this bank in which the artifact has this thing written on it. The building of the Bankers Trust opened in May 1912 a month after as you say the Titanic sank and the building rose 540 feet

1:04:26 and a masonically intriguing 32 usable floors in the Manhattan sky. at its summit set a hundred foot tall pyramid roof. No mere decorative flourish, the massive structure sports some 24 steps or courses of Freemasonry though some say 23 depending on how you count them and contains seven stories used as storage levels crowning the building with the silhouette of something ancient I'd love to know it's in the storehouses kept inside the pyramid on top of the Bankers Trust Building and then The pyramidal cap on 14 Wall Street also faintly echoes another 1912 monument. Same year, the newly rebuilt St Mark's Capenile in Venice a square tower surmounted by a shining spire and archangel on top long used as a watchtower and cosmic signal post In synchromistic terms these symbolic parallelism is to point

1:05:22 Two modern structures completed the same year each revealing ancient forms of invoking a cent power and increasingly pressing relevance today surveillance i've looked at this. Particular spire and yeah when you zoom in, really hot, like there's an angel on top like a watcher. There was a watcher so to bring it full circle the chain is Rorick allegedly brought the stone to America influencing dollar bills designed through Henry Wallace and FDR The dollar bill can base of pyramid in the all seen I bankers trust nurtured by the same Morgan network that produced the Federal Reserve for the Rockefeller empire builds its own pyramid at 14 Wall Street extending the architecture

1:06:03 of 20th century American power. A casket then arrives in Paris marked with the banker's name, Bankers Trust later acquires Alex Browne. Alex Browne's former chairman ascends to the third ranking position in the CIA by March 2001. The Deutsche Bank building formerly Banker's Trust Plaza was nearly destroyed on September 11 and 2.5 million in airline put option profits placed through the firm Krongard once led goes uncollected in the aftermath. I mean, it is crazy and then you say This just provides another example of the most powerful families and bankers have these free masonic or secret society lineages, and they cozy up to mystics. And they infuse all their wealth creation tools with ancient occult symbology that we all carry around in our pockets and you end it with but we wonder if the stone of destiny ever existed where is it today whose hands hold the precious casket? And probably most pressingly for the rest of us what purposes are its

1:07:03 Possessors hoping to supercharge well i mean that's in this first hour with that what is your best guess are there any more recent stories about it other fragments of this like how far up the timeline. Towards the modern day can we bring yes yes if i can't i just want i just can't help but cuz you all you run, You always run through so many things. I just want to go the India connection, of course also ties into the Theosophical Society because that is partly where the Theosophical Society is based if not its main headquarters even to this day. The 32 usable floors think about the Masonic Of Course connection there is the Scottish right which the 33rd degree is honorary you can't sort of achieve the 33rd degree has

1:07:47 bestowed on you so the 32 usable floors sort of like has an odd echo where what is you put it what went on in that storage space atop here's an intriguing aside which I met we may have touched on but the master building had a space at the top where it was supposed to be this meeting room were possibly manly hall and others met actually in person at the master building possibly with wallace, possibly with rork so here you have possibility that mainly always meeting with some of the same people in the. Top floor of the master building which has a echo structurally what those quotes storage facilities in the bankers trust headquarter now u also mentioned

1:08:32 the Venice connection with the building, which again brings in... I'm not gonna get into this in depth but you know like Elon Musk's Doge. What's the name of the leader in Venice for many many years? It was The Doge, The Doge of Venice or Webster Griffin Tarpley has another deep politics parapolitics writer who has talked at length about how he thinks Venice, the Venetian oligarchy transpired ported itself transplanted itself to britain and he tells a whole he you know, he unpacks that over many many hundreds of pages and many hours of very insightful talk but finally You mentioned infusing the symbolism. And I want to bring it back maybe to crowley just briefly because before I try to take a stab at your question which

1:09:17 I won't have the most satisfying answer unfortunately cuz it bottom line is i just don't know but pragmatism aspect comes very clearly through crowley and. One of the things that i do think is it sometimes justified like if we see, the number thirty three and we got all masons were involved in this or we see the number you know. Eleven and we think oh this is definitely some kind of a cult rebellion ritual something i think its right to say that could be it's possible to draw those connections but it's also there's a pragmatism that runs through all of us which i can't be overlooked

1:09:53 i think there's a sense in which sometimes these symbol infusers to refund your rhetoric are just being practical about it they're simply i'll give you an example. Beside crowley i think who literally says in major can theory and practice that you know he's thinking of magic more or less practically that. These formulas work and it's all there is to it that's all we can say about but the oss i think gives us a case study here because, the oss when it was first the office of strategic services this is wild build on a van and world war two era where it was the

1:10:32 predecessor of the Central Intelligence Agency, of course. But during wartime they did... They had their hands in many different... Their fingers in many different pies as it were but one of the things they did was they developed fighting styles for sort of like guerrilla actions and what they were looking for is the ability to develop a fighting style that could be taught quickly because they wanted to be able to train their operatives quickly that would be able to be performed in high stress situations i mean there are plenty of martial artists who have the lot of these. You know find motor skill skills that they've developed but try doing that if you're jumped in an alley, you don't like your heart rate is jacked and your ability even move your limbs is very much compromise because you're

1:11:17 under stress severely so what they needed was fighting styles that could be talk quickly, gross motor movements for the most part and that had a high percentage to quote neutralize the people that they were fighting against so in other words the oss took a very pragmatic approach and it surveyed the landscape you know maybe its trama, i'm not a martial artists like but they may be of surveyed ninja fighting styles and all this kind stuff but if u sign o s person execute a ninja like move it would have been a mistake to say oh there train ninjas. No, they're being pragmatic about it. And what I'm connecting that to is every occurrence of 33 doesn't mean that there's some Freemason at the fundamental. It could be but it could also mean that there's a pragmatist there who just like the OSS

1:12:03 Executes a ninja move because they find it to be expedient for the purpose they needed to apply two in that instance maybe this is the pragmatic approach to symbolism is thirty three's injected at a certain point. Because its regarded as a potent number and not necessarily again, I don't want to be misunderstood here on that saying there some argument that masons are not involved i'm not saying that all i just mean i think sometimes when we identify certain symbols, we not you but people have gotten into the habit of every time they spot 33. They just sort of file it under masons are responsible for this right with no further argumentation and I think personally that that's a mistake that is an example of

1:12:43 What i mean by the analytics side of analytic synchronicity you notice the thirty three and then you try to actually grounded in an explanation and that's where i think my contribution possibly to the theory of a discipline might be. you know somewhat i'm doing something trying to do something that i don't know too many other people are doing trying to bottom out some of this stuff in an actual ontology anyway all that to say us where are things today well that's a great question i mean if you think for instance about the hot spots and the world. Of course united states washington dc is essential mode of the city of london square miles central financial node,

1:13:26 you know in china you have the hong kong bank which is a single central node u got very many financial centers you've also got war going on and ran which was historic persia, you've got a war going on in ukraine which some people have said it's kind of the. Seat bed or place hot spot for sabotage frank isn't you know which others connected to one yon bin yemen hulk alias robert maxwell whose daughter gillane maxwell let went on to be married to recently deceased and disgraced former bear stearns financial but you never heard of him by the name of jeffrey epstein, so you've got this jeffrey epstein in his sort of like psycho sexual. You know predictions might trace back to sabotage frank ism which might trace back to ukraine

1:14:21 You've got plants here involved in ukraine i'm not saying the stone is there and you create but what i'm suggesting his. you know it seems to me that some candidates for where it is would be either a were the corridors of power are which washington dc still is, or wear this major turmoil going on in the world because the allegation partly. Was that possibly the stone of destiny even cross the atlantic before rorek which we didn't get into but according to louis buff perry you know who's gotten into a lot of the stuff and my source on a lot of it if you look at the article but, perry connects to stone and the possibility that i was brought over by various jack bites who were the supporters of bonnie prince charlie and king james would've been james third the stewart who is. Part of that house did line in when james the second was ousted from power during the glorious revolution

1:15:20 that displaced Stuart line maintained various what they call pretenders if you were not a, if you weren't a fan of the Stuart. You called him a pretender that was James III and then it would have been Charles III which is interesting that Charles III now took the name because Charles is a kind of a vexed word. I mean Charles I was beheaded, you know? So the name Charles has a kind of in British establishment. You think that it might have been verboten but nevertheless here you have Charles III Taking that name is a wins are of course not a stewart but nevertheless you've got all these connections and play all these names games in play. I don't know where's the stone today who has it that's a great question if its in the hands of anybody you know how to wanna name names but i would look at that nexus of, as you aptly summarize the nexus of surveillance the nexus of finance so here we're talking about

1:16:18 Plants here or balance your this you know the seeing stone i mean who knows where exactly but they would be high on my list of candidates for sure. Yeah i think that's a fair analysis we have to speculate trump did have an arc of the covenant model in the oval office apparently and maybe it's gonna be the cornerstone of new ballroom, who are you say but i do agree i think this is all super interesting Freemasons yeah you maybe you can't look at a thirty three and pay get the free masons and they're not immune to just taking what works too like it basically is chaos magic there are these templates and. Equations based in nature embedded in reality and doesn't matter what order your from if you know the codes and use the codes gravity affects us all like these things affect us all anyone can be remote viewer you don't have to be apart of this group or that group so,

1:17:14 It's like esoteric pragmatism. The pragmatism part, you know is maybe a little less interesting because we're attracted to the mystique of the secret orders and everything but for someone to even have esoteric magical pragmatism that is very compelling and like I said it just doesn't matter exactly what order your from its all chaos magic at the top because Freemasons they say alot of it comes from ancient Egypt some of it as legacy of the Atlanteans perhaps If i can just jump in briefly because i agree with what you're saying and i think the key point that i'd like to press is that i think this has to be handled in terms of historical, so when we look at the error that begins with a twenty century literally have the rise of a philosophy called pragmatism among people like william james and cspurse and others.

1:18:04 Who is mostly american thing but pragmatism is an actual philosophy you could study in universities under the heading philosophy course then you have crowley who. Of course did cross the atlantic he had contact here in the united states and various places i don't know how affected or influence you was by. Actual academic pragmatism but you definitely find a pragmatic straining crowley adjust as a case study so i think it's there something about the twentieth century sensibility that turned our minds especially united states for pragmatism and that's been filtered through some trends that are there were sluice referred to his immediate ism,

1:18:42 our tendency to want it now, you know fast food. It's almost like fast-food occultism Gary Lachman gets into this with with chaos magic what you're right to bring in so it might be that the current crop of a cultists are chaos magicians at the very top in 2026 but if you go back say twelve hundred eighty or one thousand eighty it wasn't that way they would have had a different frame of in so it's like here you have neoplatonism let's say is ruling the roost and the ancient times now we have pragmatism in certain sense And if anybody wants what I've stated on this so far explicitly in the piece, Time Relations which i made a video of where im reading it as well but you can read where I try to connect pragmatism directly to the currents that we just now named chaos and so on. In the piece time relations

1:19:32 Anyway explanation of something that michael office so go ahead i need to break in but i could i wanted to frame it better that way as a historical sort of study yes all good and important context. And i think we can end the first hour there were ninety minutes so will see if we how this second half goes but before you let you go entirely just remind people where they can get your work and stuff your working on next and all that alright so, My son why two sons but one in particular has been helping me to try to get on a better footing myself in regard of this particular project and so we have set up think what i'll do cuz i can't tell you offhand what all the urls are but i'll tell you, i'll send them to if you wouldn't mind because i've got someone patreon i got something on sub stack i got something on youtube i got something on x i got something on

1:20:23 What are some of the other ones rumble anyway he's been trying to help me instagram okay all of these places and whatever my thought here is that whatever a person feels comfortable with but heres when i really wanted to bring your attention it's this school business s k o l cuz the thought here is that What i'm gonna try to do is build a theory out i wanted to try to be i wanna try and make it rigorous and i want to try to. Not just perform for people this was the kind of impulse i don't just wanna perform and here i am coming up with these things in, wow this guy's like a guru or something like that what i'd like to do is sharpen up people's ability, who think critically and the spot sinks at the same time there's plenty of resources christopher noles is an excellent one probably top notch in fact maybe no one is even approaching him in terms of his ability. Do this on popular level two help to teach the practical sort how to be a sink hunter

1:21:21 the way i would say it would be a i take him to be sort of focused on the phenomenology of six how we encounter them in the world are experience part of what i want to do is plumb the depths of the ontology if you like which is to say i wanna ask the question what is it in reality that is grounding these things what is the sort of metaphysics behind it in a certain sense. And of course, Jung had made some famous speculations along those lines that they were just bubbling up from the unus mundus or the one world but Jung was a Kantian and so I get into some of this stuff how does it affect? I'm not a Kantian meaning a follower disciple of Immanuel Kant but Jung

1:22:01 framed a lot of his understanding of synchronicity around emmanuel kahn and so my point is okay that's the kind of stuff that i don't see very for now maybe there's even talk about an issue audience right i mean But I hope that i can try to interest people who might be interested in union psychology union philosophy who might be interested in sink hunting, who might be interested in philosophy on its own merits and the school is kind of a place where i'm gonna try to make. The sub stack will be at well that way as well and what i envision is trying to offer the material multiple ways so i'm gonna offer it as a book maybe person could get on amazon offer is of course on school if you want interact with me ask questions are offered as an article behind the paywall in substack, set up if your like have what is this cool yeah i'd rather already remember on substack whats the deal.

1:22:51 I'm gonna try and do it that way. That's the kind of concept so i'll send you those links and And people can kinda see, its all im trying to build it out so ya know Its kinda new but at the same time as i think u saw in one of the pitches that i made for school in one of the recent videos maybe It is...I would like to build with the people who show up So another words you know if there's a direction kinda like this conversation you we plan for it but then it takes on the direction of its own based on whatever that sinks is right guys. You want to be collaborative to agree exactly exactly so thats kind of and i'm sure you feel all the time recommendations for guests in that kinda thing and i would think to that extent maybe your show pivots in that same kinda way so anyway thats the idea,

1:23:38 I really appreciate you the conversations we've had makes me think of you in a sense as a as a kindred spirit and some of these kinds of things which especially from the standpoint of the philosophy behind it. the curiosity of just asking hey i know all these things are going on right believe it but what the hell is really going on that's kind of the impulse for me to try to be a little bit more theoretical and frankly last thing i'll say my academic training isn't philosophy and i that is there for where. The impulse and so that lasting the synchro mystique, Is sort of like analytic synchronicity and if it sounds paradox to you i think it is that's the point and that's what im trying to bring together.

1:24:23 So anyway that's the idea. I love it, master of the synchro mystique technique well this was a great one i mean we're coming up on three hours here i'm sure oh my gosh too much but um that's why there's chaos in my house We had to cut a couple things uh kids screaming and all that but this was a real pleasure i think we crushed it people are gonna love it and i hope to do it again i will include all the links but in the meantime do take care you two great thanks so much for having me on agai Synchro mysticism people you know it you love it what else is there to say one of my favorite new additions to the recurring guest list with some new ways to highlight the esoteric leanings, are the banker class of course I like this one and i am sorry about the video.

1:25:10 Mr. Bell's always been anonymous in our interviews, but we had so many problems with Riverside on this one we had to switch over to Zoom and we lost connection a little bit over halfway through and I saved it restarted the recording We saw it on the screen the whole time I stopped at the end of the file just wouldn't open some kind of corruption or something Luckily, I always record the audio separate And that was all fine and good He also messaged me afterwards with a couple of corrections where he felt that he misspoke, and one of those was when he identified Joseph of Arimathea as the guy who according to the legend transported Jacob's Pillowstone to Albion. But he meant to say Jeremiah it was Jeremiah not Joseph and I think

1:26:01 all of us were probably screaming into our phones, it's Jeremiah dude come on. So he wanted to make sure that you knew that he knew and also Bill Gates his dad didn't work for the Fed it was his maternal grandfather and that's important detail to get right and he also added that is actually mocking up a draft for his myth of the bootstrap post or series that's going go into detail on that I think that's a great Theme for a series, all these people that are thought to be self-made. Let's take a look and see how connected they were into the network that put them in place There was a lot of stuff there to look at I'm sure with a lot of different people's careers and lives So

1:26:48 The first hour went a little bit long because I really wanted to just complete the Bankers Trust story and what a story it was. And the second hour for plus people covered totally different stuff like the cosmic calendar drift, the Gregorian versus Julian calendar haven't talked about that in awhile. The bizarre events themes and tragedies of June 24th The Shadow Summer Solstice. That one really stuck out to me, just all these things that have happened on that date it's like a gravity well for tragedy or bizarre events We got into Jack Black NASA the Moon Child ritual and comedy mockery within the occult Or I should say comedy mockery of the occult Jack Black's background is much weirder than i ever knew

1:27:37 And we talked about the Genie Zorro people, New Mexico and Zorro Ranch. And this weird basket of phonetic syncs that happen to be going on with Zorro and Genie in that particular location A location that also seems like they have weaponized The Genius Loci itself Maybe thats the reason for so much bizarre strangeness out there Use the 7-day free trial. You don't even have to put in a credit card or remember to cancel later Double your pleasure, double your fun! In higher side news I've been recovering this week but my big surgery where they're gonna laser the stone or the two stones and get them out of me is tomorrow morning So i'm recording this wrap up early because I don't feel like I'm going to be up for it

1:28:24 for the next few days and I'll have it ready to go. And, uh, I don't have to disrupt the release schedule all that much you know? The show must go on! So by the time you're hearing this, I should just be able to put all this behind me and move on. I appreciate all the well wishes and thoughtful messages A 9mm stone is pretty big i'm told so we were just a little past the point where I could go the naturopathic route although I will get some Stonebreaker herb going forward I will drink a lot more water, I will put lemon in that water citrus helps break down these stones

1:29:01 I don't know if this is a recurring thing in my life now. It seems like once you get one, you tend to get more but i think that's because whatever the initial cause is, you haven't addressed so if i address the initial cause maybe i shouldn't have these be recurring in my life. I've read that from an eastern medicine or energetic perspective many people say stones form when we have stuck energy either harboring anger or unprocessed grief And it's funny because I have this big 9mm stone and then another smaller stone. And i have been dealing with the on and off again pain for maybe two years, so if it is related to grief...I lost my dad about two years ago and then Gordon quite recently So that does kind of match that there are 2 stones there one much bigger and one much older

1:29:51 My issue is that I guess, I just don't know how to process grief. It's not like I'm in denial or shock about what happened. I don't think I am angry about it. I've accepted these losses at least I think Am I occasionally sad? Sure but these are words I hear a lot What does it mean to process the grief and know that it has been processed so it doesn't cause a physical manifestation assuming there is something of that angle I don't know. I thought i did it my parents both had a lot of grief by the time they were 40 My dad lost two brothers and my mom lost a brother And they didn't get kidney stones So, its like why me? Why if there is an energetic component If this is a manifestation for unprocessed emotional trauma or whatever Why me and not like everybody else who I feel Is less equipped to handle that stuff mentally than I am

1:30:52 It's just a weird world. But let's talk about the Primary Water Well show with Mark Burr. It's got a 4.4, which is fair enough not everyone's favorite topic plus the political stuff and The Plus Show is going to knock it a bit but I think 4.4 is like a B or B- on our scale and...I'll take it What's interesting is that after recording this and getting out there A lot of people brought my attention a Primary Water Well drama going on in Sarasota Florida There is this well that was supposedly dug in 1960, that goes down 1500 feet which is 1300 feet more than most wells. Some are throwing around terms like fountain of youth and all that and I still don't know the exact details but this fella named Joe Gilberti who I think was a farmhand or caretaker at this big multi-acre farm

1:31:49 Well the government is trying to take the land or suppress knowledge of that well and Joe has been very vocal about its importance and how he could give what he calls antioxidant water to the whole state of Florida if you was just allowed to. Well, they threw the book at him and he's in jail with a 15-year sentence for lien fraud. I guess he tried to put a lien on the property or something as a strategy? I don't know exactly why but he was convicted in court of fraud due to the lien and man...15 years for not hurting anyone seems very drastic! I think there are murderers and rapists who have

1:32:30 gotten out of jail sooner. So this does seem suspicious to me I'm talking about taking the family down there and talking to his wife and filling up some jugs, actually getting all the details in recording a show with a couple of his advocates but i was just made aware of this in the wake of the Mark Burr episode And some even have accused me of trying to suppress Joe's story or drown it out with Mark's interview I don't know why some people think i have bad intentions but, I truly just did not know. I'm just a guy doing interviews with people I find interesting it's not that deep. I think what's more likely to be true is that Deep Underground Primary Water is an idea whose time has come as they say and Laura the Bruce re-edited that book The Lost Stephen Reeves Book New Water for Thirsty World

1:33:25 No this is happening in the same time here in florida so to me that's a good sign the information is emerging through multiple stories and it's all coming out of the light and i will help as much as i can. So stay tuned hear more about joe and his situation probably sometime in august let's look at the events on the meetup calendar Pullman washington and ricos public house on august eighth we have the trails cafe in la on august ninth. We have lowes ranchos new mexico at hops brewery on august fifteenth saint paul minnesota black stack brewing august sixteenth,

1:34:01 And then we have one in Gainesvorte, New York slash Saratoga at the Dancing Grain Farm Brewery on August 22nd. So yeah I think we got some good stuff going on all throughout August hop in there find the others build your local network dig a well perhaps who knows And i know many here about the lip smacking to so one of the drugs that i have to be on. To help me internally a side effect or an affect is it blocks your salvatory glands your saliva, so he's really hard to sleep i'm incredibly just dry. It's not the worst problem in the world but when you're recording audio and people get very picky i'm sure hear about it but

1:34:47 Anyway, big thanks to Mr. Synchromystique himself Always a good time talking to Matt Bell Wish me luck over the next few days and I will let you know how it goes Take care of you in yours...I've done my part Your move Bankers Trust Bastards Sacred Stone Keepers Esoteric Parasitic Elite You're fuckin' Sorry you can't sleep tonight Mama says your scared I hear Well ive checked every corner And promise there's nothing to fear Well at least not in your room, kid It might be the only place you're safe So you might as well relax now There's much more to fear when you're awake The real monsters are out running everything under your feet And they're way worse than you can imagine so don't be scared of your own head

1:35:53 You can't be bothered by the dark in this life, cause no night light's bright enough. And you're really out there so at least in here be tough. The house sounds can be scary but it's just a little noise Wait until the stresses they put you under eat up all your dreams and joy Sure I'll check inside Can crack the door a little bit as it gets

1:36:39 The real monsters are out running, they ain't waiting And they're way worse than you can imagine So don't be scared of You can't be bothered by the dark in this life Cause no night light's bright enough It's a world out there so at least in here be tough Now I gotta say goodnight and sweet dreams Daddy needs some sleep as well

1:37:17 Tomorrow you'll be playing grocery store While I'll be walking through a well-engineered hell So don't you worry yourself about it You're well protected here tonight Insulated from 1,000 different nightmares That get very real and i think you'll be alright The REAL MONSTERS ARE OUT RUNNING AND THEY AINT WELL And they are way worse than you can imagine Don't be scared of your own head You can't be bothered by the dark in this life Cause no night light's bright enough At least see the world out there So at least in here, be tough