Chris Knowles | He Will Live Up In The Sky, The Tangled Web, & The Woke Virus

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00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. 1930s President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the fireside chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a- I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats

01:30 Rock me like a hurricane, Hiresight Chatters. How we doing out there? From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and someone certainly seems to have turned reality's weirdness dial up to 11 Power players of the big control pyramid are being weeded out and sacrificed to satisfy the societal call for more red meat. Agenda-driven discourse dominates most of the daily dialogue, The world is burning, The latest pandemic virus seems to have been released and all our digital profiles contrived for social control are self updated daily The world just seems more iconic every day, and it's getting harder to even tread water in the vast and choppy conspiracy. But fear not dear people because today we have the captain of the SS Secret Sun here to set a course for sanity if such a thing is even possible His name is Chris Knowles and this marks his sixth time on The Higher Side

02:22 In the podcasts of Christmas Past, we talked to Chris about everything from Lucifer's technology... ...the Great Seal of Lyra and the decoding of NASA rituals. To The Song Of The Siren and that strange Cocteau twins oracle Elizabeth Frazier Today we are hot on the heels of his debut novel entitled He Will Live Up in the Sky A seriously awesome sci-fi story like they just don't make anymore Checking nearly every strange box we like around here Of course, he's also known for titles like Our Gods Wear Spandex and The Secret History of Rock & Roll. I know i'm psyched to get into it so let's do the damn thing! The fine-toothed comer of pop culture head detective of Frazier forensics and the synchromystic sage of the secret sun blog Chris welcome back to THC

03:11 Great to be here, Greg. Seriously great to be here. Man thanks for doing it! It's really refreshing to have you back I went to look up the date of the last show and it was December 22nd 2018 And it's hard for me even believe that we didn't do this at all in 2019 is a very rocky year But I guess it went by faster than I thought That was the only good thing about 2019 is that it went by really fast Cheers to that let's talk about this new novel a bit man. He Will Live Up in the Sky, I hadn't read fiction in a long time and I seriously loved it. It definitely felt very you from the set and setting to the humor and many different layers of conspiracy and paranormal goodness going on Amazon says its'a work up non-fiction fiction that was five years in the making how else would you describe it for The Uninitiated?

04:05 I wanted to write a book that would sort of encapsulate this weird culture, this nameless formless culture that we're part of in the way that The Illuminatus Trilogy captured the firm and post-hippie Robert Anton Wilson orbit of the early 70's in the way that Foucault's Pendulum which was a huge influence on his book captured The Bloodline, Holy Blood, Holy Grail. I mean all that kind of weird royalist post-Templar occultism that was very popular in Europe at the time of writing of that book So i was looking at the culture we're part of it has no name, it has no form It has no leaders, it has a few outlets some blogs and podcasts

04:58 But, you know what is it? How do you define it?" And I wanted to write a book that would kind of take all these themes that we've talked about. You and I have talked about them. That I've been writing about them. That you've talked with other guests and put them in a form that would be palatable for people who aren't involved in this culture. Palatable for people just like really entertaining stories And that to me was the, you know getting back to Umberto Eco and the cult's pendulum. The great thing about that book for me is that at the time I read that book i had like very little context for what he was writing about as far as the Templars and the Grail and all these kind of things but he packed so much information

05:42 into the book that i felt like it was almost like initiated into this world and thats kind of what i want to do with this but i wanted to sort of take all these things and initiate readers who are necessarily familiar with this world view. Into that world you at least give them a sense of you know the way it will land what exactly is the thinking what exactly is the philosophy but also to write a story that was like really really fun to read i wanted to ride a page turner one of the right thrill ride and it's probably why i took so long to write because, i ended up writing a lot and just deleting a lot in this interesting process the book change.

06:25 shape so many times but by the time i was ready to publish it really took the form that i was happy with a lot of people responding to what really well some very happy about that. Awesome yeah i would say you hit the target and i really like the nonfiction fiction description. And of course i want to avoid spoilers but it felt like the story was a template where you could lay out how u see all the layers of military intelligence as well is the more paranormal aspects of reality you can kinda, Show people how you see these things fitting together without having to pay get to an actual event it's like. That thing where the places and names have been changed to protect the innocent but this is how the gears of a big machine or even bigger machine reality itself actually work if you were wanting to get into i think that's a great approach

07:18 Well thank you what are the things i was trying to put across and again we won't get into spoils but i'm trying to get across that i think a lot of people at the core of these actions like this or no these larger currents work in the world not necessary that people at the top of the pyramid other people Where the names on the doors and so on and so forth i mean but people who are not necessary the functionaries but that the people make everything run they make everything work you know these are people in a lot of cases that are absolutely unknown to everyone even people they work for.

07:57 but so much relies on them. And I was trying to get in, like what would be the psychology of a person who would put themselves into that position? And I think when I really landed on and I tried to put across in the book is that these people have beliefs. They have very powerful beliefs in things and they spend their whole lives trying to put those beliefs into action. And meeting people like Russell Targ, Jacques Vallee add may who took over for tarred with the stanford yes i ride remote viewing program meeting people like that. I'm getting a sense of their thinking you realize that they are really motivated by convictions and so did the strong core so taking them into extrapolating to people who use occult means for lack of better term two achieve on wholesome hands on palatable ends

08:59 What would be their thinking and that's something that I really wanted to explore. I really wanted to explore why people would be drawn to these things so much, so that they were dedicated lives to them? Yes, I think that comes through and i was looking at the notes you had given to me And you mentioned John point Dexter's observation That there really aren't a lot of players what do you mean by that Point Dexter had said this is sometime in the wake of Iran Contra But when you look at these things, when you look at this netherworld of intelligence particularly as it applies to things like ufology and the occult. I mean just look at the Tom DeLonge situation. The people involved in his program we've heard their names for years We might not know them or their works but we've heard them mentioned. Somebody like Grant Cameron has mentioned all these people Christopher Mellon

09:57 Help put off all these kind of people that work with tom the line we heard their names so they been in this world for a long time and what point was trying to say i believe you is bushes or reagan's national security advisor news try to stay like the movies in the shakers there really are a lot of you know you have a lot of people who. Do their jobs and follow orders but the people who are kind of flitting around in the shadows. Really making things happen or very very rare breed they all tend to know each other and they all tend to interact with each other over the course of decades And I think that's something that, i don't know if a lot of people involved in say conspiracy research would unless they were serious about it would come to understand that just that we're looking at a very small group of people and we're looking at a very small group. True believers really. I think thats fair alot of times these things do seem pretty complex on the surface and it seems like a giant tangled web but maybe it isn't

10:59 quite so complicated and maybe it is more mappable if you can actually just see into the dark a little bit. Well, like I said getting back to look at To The Stars Academy Tom DeLonge we've discussed that in the past but Jim Semivan is the name that I heard for at least 10 years right? He's involved in this Christopher Mellon part of the Mellon family of Pittsburgh he's involved in this Al Puthoff who worked with Russell Targ at SRI worked on the remote viewing program And of course, our friend Peter Lavenda who's been sort of flitting out of these circles his entire life hanging out with people like Michael Aquino and Richard Doty out in Las Vegas. So there aren't a lot of these people who not only have the interest but have the credibility and also have the resume

11:52 to sort of make these things happen and that's really what i wanted to convey in this book because i think it will sort of help people. As best as i can in this kind of context, get more grip on what is world that we're looking at and trying to understand. That's fair and something i've kinda paid more attention to in the last year or kinda been worried about just being very precise with Accusations or categorization i mean when you get hit with that scarlet letter of your one of the bad guys in this whole nexus i mean thats hard to rub off and, i do wonder about people like just use ones you mentioned russell targ or peter lavenda i've interviewed both.

12:38 They were nice to me remote viewing seems fairly mundane or innocuous at least it seems morally neutral doesn't seem bad and i think peter lavenda is a guy who just kinda wants to get in there and. See for himself which sometimes maybe get some guilty by association i don't know its very difficult to really, maybe separate exactly who is responsible for some of these things and who just wants to know the truth you now Well, that's the other thing that I explore in the book. I mean, I'm not trying to cast dispersions on Peter LaVenda or Russell Targum and I've met Russell Targ. I've had discussions with him and I have a lot of respect for him. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to say this sort of pro wrestling rowdy Rodney Piper kind of heroes and villains world because we're really looking at very great areas and it's like this spectrum of gray tone. And you know,

13:36 I certainly, you know Russell Targ and people involved with SRI. What i'm trying to say is that they're all like oh this evil conspiracy and they're all in on it! And if you read the book you'll see how I spelled this out You know whether for good or bad It's a generally small group That tends to know each other and tends to work with each other and interacts in these different programs over the decades. That's what I'm trying to say, not trying to say this person is some mustached twirling super villain or something. And i am just trying to say we are looking at a world which the occult, ufology, paranormal, psi all these kind of things have this weird

14:32 Interaction with the military and intelligence agencies and other people in the government and it's a very small pool of people involved in these pursuits. Yeah i'm not does come through in the book you have a lot of characters that are just like real people they're not one dimensional they say, good things and bad things there just real their involved in some darkness they see Some things behind the veil that others aren't privy to and they kind of just they allude to that But they keep it to themselves and people are complex. They can't just be put into one category Yeah, and a lot of times people who do really bad things have you know have really good motivations for doing them You know The road to hell is paved with good intentions People turn people start to see things differently, you know in this another thing I wanted to explore is how trauma and crisis

15:27 And all these kind of things change the way people behave, change the way people think, change the way people see the world. I think a lot of people who end up pursuing these kinds of interests very often will have trauma or something they're trying to maybe escape from or trying to solve or trying to cope with and that asking these big questions, these big philosophical questions can be a way cope, I guess. Yes and there are a lot of odd paranormal things that happen and i was just curious because i've been reading your blog for so long how much of this book plays off your own personal life or the weird experiences that you've had? I have a motto all fiction is autobiography right yeah when you're sitting down staring at a computer screen

16:25 And you gotta come up with a story, what are you gonna draw on? What's gonna have the most impact to you, the most emotional resonance. For instance there are events, you know, the orbs being seen flying over the skies of Southern New Hampshire, I mean that's something that I blogged about. Something that I witnessed that was my real first genuine UFO experience let's just say. These things have been filmed you know there are videos on YouTube of these things and you can see these things a lot. Orange orbs have been seen out

17:00 I don't know, forever. But there's a scene where two of the characters are watching it from like the back porch and my wife and I back in 2017 early 2017 had this very strange and prolonged experience where a chevron shaped UFO showed up over our neighborhood over the tree line very very bright and hovered there for a very long time Unfortunately, we didn't have a telephoto lens and we couldn't really get good pictures of it. We did get pictures of it but we didn't get good pictures of it. It's really hard to take pictures of things in the sky at night let me just say that you know when skeptics go UFO quick get the worst camera you have no its not that you get the camera that you have but doesn't have like professional telephoto lens on because otherwise the camera doesn't know what to focus on in the night sky so we had this experience where were just watching this thing hover

17:59 And I have to say that it was unsettling. At first you're like, oh wow cool look at that thing what is that thing? You know why is it just sitting there but then after like a while you're just like why is it sitting there? Why doesn't it go away? Okay we get the message you know here's some very strange non-aerodynamic looking object in the sky...why are you hovering over my neighborhood? It's a little disturbing to me. It wasn't like oh what joy! The space brothers are here Yeah that's exactly what i think sometimes is the whole space brothers love and light they're here to tell us to be stewards of the earth. That's all good i guess but a lot of paranormal experience does seem very much wrapped up in trauma like you mentioned earlier or really extreme emotional states or,

18:52 Even death and a lot of darkness so it's a mixed bag i guess like life is a mix bag but sometimes i wonder about people who really do wanna have more paranormal experiences its like you really should probably be careful. I will just say this now i mean gordon and i have discussed this don't want to have paranormal experiences don't pursue it don't chase after it, i've just come to the conclusion at this point in my life that paranormal Experiences are basically either harbingers or some sort of like. Greek chorus on death and tragedy i actually blogged

19:34 quite a bit in the year 2016, late 2015 early 2017. You know just about all these very odd experiences that I had had and you know i presented evidence about them but you know in that period there was a lot of death and I just felt like at one point you know in the middle of this that death was just kind of hovering over me over my family, over the house. We lost some really wonderful young people way too early in an age. Some overdoses and a really horrible skiing accident. My father-in-law died, my grandmother died... I mean there was just... The paranormal is a very good thing to watch from a distance you know? Just keep a very safe distance from it because if you get close to it You know, I really have to be blunt here To keep my conscience clear

20:28 It's probably not going to have salutary consequences on your life well that's fair to say and. You know what bring it back to the two of the stars academy that seems to be a difficulty for me working this stuff out because, do you start academy seems like an op it's obviously wrapped up in military intelligence and they're probably going to use UFOs as a justification for new boogie man and a new stage of warming we've heard the story to tell us all this time been talked about in conspiracy circles for decades but the flip side of that is to say well this isn't up. So the space brothers are good and we have the military going after him you know there's like this implied idea that they're trying to turn, the good guys bad by painting them as like a new threat and

21:16 I don't know maybe that's too simple of a way to look at it again categories you're not the steven grier. Explanation your steven greer will be like abductions in my labs is this whole, they hiding this technology from us and so on and so forth i mean i've seen ufo myself i had good sightings now some kind of documentary recording out You're not great because it's just very difficult again like i said to photograph an object in the sky when you're not expecting to see one. I don't know what your goals are, i just don't know i can speculate i can offer up any number of potentialities but i dont know i cant tell you with any degree of confidence what were looking at is interdimensional

22:12 Military hardware, you know is it the space brothers is that this isn't that. I don't know and i don't feel comfortable making any definitive statement about that because i haven't been on one and i haven't met any aliens for the most part but i'm very uncomfortable with either tack where you say there are space brothers or the demons from mars is something you know either way i think it's irresponsible because we simply don't know i mean, the way i feel at the moment is that whatever intelligence behind this and i'm sure there isn't intelligence but i think its essentially different to us whether we see these objects not i think it just incidental to whatever is actually happening up there.

23:03 Right right yes i agree with that there's a whole thing with the lovecraftian gods of kind of balance struck between it's not that they hate you is that they don't give up like your basically an anthill they'll kick it over without even thinking about and then I think you're probably right something in that mix is like they don't even care enough to hate or love humanity maybe. Well, if you kicked over an anthill you'd be like um at best. You'd be like oh crap I kicked over an ant hill bummer yeah and then you just keep going let's go get lunch Yeah And I mean look at all the human beings who share a biology that are completely indifferent to us in the same sense You know? I mean, yeah, I think that a lot of people in these strata Don't even think that we're humans it you know or have the same biology them You know I think one of the problems that we have

24:01 The way that the system has been set up is that we have a class of people who have so much money and so much power and so little accountability, but their next phase of ambitions is Godhood. I want to become god. This is transhumanism Jeffrey Epstein is a great example. It also all just drop this in now since you know you wanna keep this a little bit looser I think Epstein was very much a driving force behind a lot of the scientism, a lot of the transhumanism. I don't just believe this i mean if you start to look at where money went who's receiving it? I think a lot of these people like say your Daniel Dennett and Richard Dawkinses and Bill Nyes so many of these people spent

24:54 a lot of time with Epstein out on Little St. James and just the fact that so many of these bizarre comic book science stories that I was tracking rather closely, when Epstein was arrested it's almost like they just fell off the face of the earth one minute its like your children are going to be born from fingernail scrapings and you can incubate them in a plastic bag too like the science news is filled with Look at this volcano, isn't it cool? I think that a lot of this crazy comic book delusional science fiction science that we've been seeing for the past 10 years at least as well as the scientism. Science is my religion, science is my God evolution is my god on and on and on. I think that Epstein and his cadre were very much

25:51 If not the driving force behind it then a significant driving force behind it oh yeah well said i mean. The political and celebrity ties are the ones that people like to focus on in that, National inquiry kinda way but how i mean stephen hawking was even there so it's like there is a very strong scientific. Connection what else something that again my book you will live up in the sky available all fine books now i'm not gonna also going to that the book was set twenty five years in the past when the book was released because i wanted to sort of dial back and look at the genesis of

26:35 the internet and this techno utopianism that was so powerful. I mean you were a little young back then, but you know i got hit by it square in the forehead! I was a true believer for all that kind of stuff and we had people like Jaron Lanier unfortunately who also is connected to Jeffrey Epstein but Jaron Lanier has done a number of mea culpa's Douglas Rushkoff... A lot of people who are these early techno-utopians have come around and realized that they were being used, that they were being conned. That they were becoming accomplices to a rather unsettling agenda of

27:15 What will ultimately lead to things like smart cities and all this kind of stuff that will be the Huxley brave new world When the sheep are separated from the goats so to speak The way things are going now, you know I'm gonna see it like HD Wells a time machine with the Morlocks in the Eloy You know So yes Yeah, the book definitely has a 90s vibe in a bunch of different ways And I like that and the sentence setting does seem pretty familiar to you. You're very much an East Coast guy You mentioned something in there called The Bridgewater Triangle at one point as a kind of paranormal hotspot going back to even the Native Americans and now is one of those things that I stopped to look up

28:02 And it's very much real, even though I hadn't heard of it before. There very much is a what they call just a paranormal hotspot some kind of paranormal vortex in Bridgewater apparently there is and this that entire area of Southeastern Massachusetts here but there's a lot of history there. I think that it's not really a surprise that that's not too far from where Lovecraft was raised. That whole Crescent of the northeast corridor was so inspirational. Lovecraft you know i think this history goes back a very long time and being raised in that area and spending, time in a lot of these kind places i mean like literally spending time in lovecraft country when i was a kid to change the way i thought and i wanted to really inject that into the book i want it to bring that hearing is that vibe

29:03 May not be there as much today since everything has been gentrified and you know, everything's been overdeveloped But certainly when I was young. I mean, I remember we had seances at the town Cemetery in Gloucester You know not realizing that we were right on the outskirts of Babson farm where there was a very famous What was called the ghost Indian invasion back in? The settler days so it's a very charged with a lot of Heavy juju let's say and you know unfortunately i mean this is another story altogether but also sort of inspired the events in the book we were just kids messing around not realizing that shortly after we're doing these things there would be a tragedy in our circle.

29:49 Again, tying back to all fiction being autobiographical. I was raised in the music industry or the music business let's just say not the industry per se. My mother was a professional musician and my first memories of playing with my matchboxes and Hot Wheels on the floor this bar, this big nightclub that was owned by the Irish mob eventually burnt down in an arson fire but that was my first memory spending time at nightclubs Concert halls and all these kind of places you know just being dragged from one place to another read a comic books and play with your toys in the light we are everything. And later on this informs a lot of the book as well i spent a lot of time hanging out with

30:39 hardcore bands in Boston in the early 80s. These are guys I went to high school with, there's two bands that one was Gangrene and one was Jerry's Kids and this is my circle, this was my social circle so I spent a lot of time in clubs in Boston and the environs getting a look at that end of the music industry and just oh my god ahh the stories I could tell you man it It was grim so i try to put a lot of that into the book you know me the time here is a little bit different but a lot of. That is based on my own observation and experience yes i really like that whole setting as well and

31:20 We talked a little bit off air about the talent agreements that i've been given and it just i'm in awe of how you gone through this long career with comic books screenwriting all these things you had to do where, you have had to deal with the big machine entertainment industry and i don't know how you navigate those contractual situations when they are just so one sided its real david and goliath kinda situation they put you. Well, the music industry is the worst. It really is and especially now you know you can have half a million people stream your song on Spotify and you'll get like a couple bucks from it You know yeah for real I mean it's brutal when they have the money And they have the power and they have the infrastructure to make things happen

32:13 You're going to do whatever they say. I mean, I was hanging around with punk rock bands and it's all like independent labels you know is very do-it-yourself nightclubs that were in some senses they were like VFW halls that somebody would rent out for a hardcore show and then when the place was trashed there would never be allowed back in no but The music industry is a brutal thing And that's another thing that I really tried to bring into the book Is just give you a sense of how disposable Really really talented people are to the people running the industry they just don't matter. They're just assets to be bought and sold and completely dispensed with it need be and something i saw personally you know when I was down here in a plane with some bands there's a couple of bands in this area that i'd either joined have been seriously considered for

33:09 And it all went south really quickly because of these managers and these record labels. It was just really ugly to see one band that I was in, they actually had a song on Beavis and Butthead after I left. And I left the band because it's a one man show. This guy was like the worst control freak you've ever seen. They got signed to Megaforce Records which I guess a lot of the early thrash metal bands were on And Megaforce fired the guy. This wasn't just his band, it was him and they fired him from his own band you know? It was basically like firing Frank Sinatra from being Frank Sinatra! You know?! And everything fell apart and they didn't care. It's just crazy... The people who pull the strings don't care about the talent at all. No. At all

34:00 That's true it's true and i can only imagine in a pre internet world like in the mid nineties you're young guy who. No he's not gonna have a conventional nine to five job you have some talent u wanna be an entertainer weather comedian or musician or whatever and there is only one road i mean, it's really hard to bargain from that type of position so i can only imagine all these things we speculate about today have all these actors being involved in a lot of dirty stuff it's like well. There's only one road to success and certain people hold those keys so is it any wonder that if you're looking at people who cut their teeth on the eighties or nineties. Is there any wonder there are so many similarities in so many boxes can be checked for each one, it's kinda mind blowing when you think of the totality of it but at the same time this just one pack. It's the spoil system from hell really because the way industry set up now

35:00 whatever you want to point at, there's this wall. Okay? On one side of the wall is just riches and fame and a level of luxury and privilege that most people can only guess at. And the other side of the wall is just nothing, nothingness obscurity poverty total lack of access. And that's the way things are set up now. You hear a lot of stories i mean how many of them are apart from me just gossip and rumor it's really hard to pull apart but i'll tell you one thing when you look at the spoil system in your book is this dark choice. That you're given where you can either be

35:48 inside the club, sitting at the table or you can be outside in the alley picking through the dumpster. Those are the two choices that we're faced with these days I mean there used to be a middle ground You could build a career selling maybe like 100 thousand records of pop touring separate clubs it's all gone! It is either poverty and obscurity or godhood so when you hear these stories I don't have any evidence for these things personally, but I got to tell you realizing the choices that these people make and the price of admission is doing really bad stuff just to show that you can be trusted or you can bend the knee. You know? Given the choice, I'm sure a lot of people

36:45 We'll take it. And you know, another thing that I really have to point out growing up in a family of professional musicians and seeing the music industry from the outside...I mean musicians are always incredibly screwed up people You know why anybody would listen to like musicians or actors about things like politics or something I have no idea because it's obviously because people fall for the public image machine and don't realize how screwed up these people are. Actors are so screwed up! I had a friend who, you know, I met in the advertising business when i was working there and he was in a band in the early 90s that a lot of record companies were looking seriously at

37:28 And he picked up a lot of actresses. A lot of actresses in New York, right? Actresses are sort of his groupies and boy the stories you could tell I mean it's just like you hear this from people like actresses are all just really screwed up in head so why do I care what that meddler thinks because I'm sure she is just completely train wrecked human being and all these people on Twitter, you know? And the interesting thing about that now is seeing the context that we didn't have in the early 90s. When we see these people on Twitter every day, we really get a sense of just how sick in their head they are! Yeah absolutely yeah and

38:11 And getting back to the book, I was also going to ask you if you had any wild synchronicities or fiction and reality bleeding together kind of stuff like the whole invisibles thing. Did that happen? Any degree? Oh so much so that i'm not sure I really kept track of it all. So I started working on this book in early January 2015 and it was much more oriented towards UFO's and stuff and I really moved away from that because again I don't want to cover the same ground The X-Files covered. I mean, I'm not going to do it as well as they did it and It's been done to death some I'm writing a lot about UFOs and stuff And then I have my first really solid UFO sighting in late May of that same year Not only me but you know my wife and my daughter But here's the other thing I mean this is something that you and I have discussed on this show quite at length

39:12 Baked into the original concept of the original plot of the story is a singer in a very sound garden like band who goes missing and is later presumed dead. Actually, presumed dead throughout the entire story so I'm not giving spoilers there So I'm writing this story, you know very much had a Chris Cornell type in mind. Had a very Soundgarden band in mind and then we all know what happened in May of 2017 so you really do have to wonder how these things happen the other thing too is that you know and I'd actually blogged about this

39:52 With stranger things stranger things came out in twenty sixteen and i had had earlier versions of the story pretty much plotted out. And a lot of dialogue written by that point time and you know one of the main kind of mcguffins of the story is, A dead body is found but it turns out that it's a double and things like that, identifying marks in the body and so on and so forth that give away their actual identity. And we saw like a very similar plot line or story point to that in the first series of Stranger Things. And I had actually blogged like, oh! That's very interesting. You know? I remember that. I remember that you had a feeling like how is someone looking over my shoulder and getting this material? Like who's in my computer? Yeah it was weird. It was weird Here's the thing...I mean I know a lot of people In the Los Angeles area let's just say you know I know this for a fact read The Blog and I've actually had people

40:58 In that business contact me over the years so i mean i realize that these people are some of these people follow my work especially if you're drawn to this kind of topics and there were other things in the stranger things series in the first one real strange things not be. fake Stranger Things sequels that I really looked at and go, oh yeah. I think maybe they were reading the blog you know? It just seemed that way of course i've written about Montauk so if you're going online and you want to write about Montauk eventually my blog would probably come up in Google search right? Yeah! But the other thing too is...I know we discussed this quite a bit off-the air but I had written about Orion Krauss

41:44 And Orion Krauss was again a musician, so we're looking at that same world who in early September had woken up and beaten his family to death with the baseball bat. Went outside stripped all his clothes off rolled around in the mud for awhile and then went next door and told his neighbor I need my medicine I killed my family. One of things that really struck me about that story First of all, it was so soon. It was just three weeks before Las Vegas which could arguably be a similar situation if you chose to see it that way So I had a character who in some ways is very similar and shows up at a house naked In the story and let's just say he's a programmed killer

42:41 His name in the book was Kevin. I actually changed it because up until fairly recently his name is Brian, so I just like oh Brian or Ryan you know kind of match but it gets even stranger because he shows up at a house in Littleton Massachusetts which is next to Groton Massachusetts where Orion Krauss killed his family now what gets even more strange about that? Is that both groton and Littleton are next to Fort Devens which i had sort of experience in the vicinity of because two people on my mother's nightclub back to live not far away from fort devins which at the time was called the u.s army intelligence school and devin's became notorious in late seventies because

43:27 A Green Beret had murdered his wife and it turned out the wife was looking into drug smuggling, human trafficking going through Fort Devens with the CIA and Assad. All this kind of stuff. And he had always insisted that he did not actually kill his wife that he set up then she was killed because she was looking into all this kinda stuff The base commander died in a car accident shortly after this all went down This is the whole litany of stuff coming out of that place. And later on, there was a federal penitentiary built on the grounds of Devons and Joker Sarnaev was housed there may still be housed there Bernie Madoff I mean all these it was basically like Arkham Asylum On the grounds in this place you know where they kept all the super villains so to speak So it's a very strange area

44:23 And, you know again I spent a lot of time in that area and had some unhappy life experiences that connected to Devons let's just say. There was a very strong Fort Devens connection for what i consider one of my great life traumas so I felt that I had at least referenced that in the story but the fact that it basically is again another scenario very similar to something that had written in early 2015 showed up in late 2017 was very interesting to me, very powerful synchronicity but not especially a pleasant one let's just say. So there were number of these kind of things throughout the writing and story things that I've written about would show up outside of that you know classic synchronicity kinda experience

45:16 Yeah that's super interesting man it makes me just always wonder where do ideas come from how real are the things in our imagination and how do the things in our imagination connect to the real world because there is definitely some connective tissue there I don't think we have all worked out but they're just too many examples of this kind of thing occurring. Oh well, so much work that I've done on a blog over the past 13 years now has been focused on that. Particularly people like Jack Kirby, and why did he do a face-on Mars story in 1959? And it sat in the drawer and wasn't published until several years later and then this whole kind of scenario reemerges in the mid 70's but I think again getting back to people whether for good reasons or bad reasons kinda look into these questions on behalf of United States government

46:13 You know, it's again something very interesting to me to explore in a fictional setting where you have a little bit more leeway than if you're actually writing a report or an article dealing with real people. I mean fiction is very liberating. You can sort of let your speculations run wild. I will say that all the situations that i became fixated on in the writing this book have some basis and reality there's a lot of reality historical reality into the book, like the fact you know finding out that right off the coast of Quincy Massachusetts where I'd spent... The neighborhood where I had spent so much in my young life was where a paperclip went down. There's an island in Boston Harbor right off the coast of Squanton Massachusetts where I would take my driving lessons in high school where Wernher von Braun and all the rest of the gang from Pina Munda

47:13 were housed after the war. They were flown into the naval air base in Squantum and housed at this facility that was, I think it was like a typhus hospital from like the 1800's originally but fascinating coincidence here is that The movie Shutter Island with Leonardo DiCaprio was the exteriors for that film were shot at Fort Strong on Long Island, again where paperclip went down. So I felt the need to put that all into the book because it was just such a bizarre I don't know, synchronicity experience? However you want to put it. I just couldn't believe it because I knew exactly where that island is. When I went to that beach, you could see from the beach! So it was a very strange and weird experience but I just wanted dial back just a little bit to Orion Krauss. I mean, Orion Krauss was from Rockport Maine That's where he was actually from He was visiting his family

48:15 in this town outside of Fort Devens, but Rockport Maine is where Andrei Paharich did all his work that eventually ended up in the nine experiments and the nine sciences. There's an area of Rockport called Glen Cove where he would have psychics in Faraday cages and all of it. I just thought that was a really strange experience that this guy would end up in a situation I guess if you're going to write a fictional story about it, you put in this Manchurian candidate kind of setting some sort of experiment. I don't know. Just saying fictionally was from the very town where Andrew Paharich was doing his experiments and then ended up committing these atrocities right outside of Fort Devens so

49:07 Yeah, how could I not write about that? How could I not incorporate that into the story even though again in this particular case. I sort of done so cognitively I guess you would say yeah it's super interesting and it's also weird because I guess to take it back to Peter LaVenda, it was when I read Sinister Forces where that was the first time I think I folded in pre-colonial context to a lot of the weirdness out there because he talks about Point Pleasant and even the fact that Charles Manson you know is associated with LA but he was born in Ohio. And this is mound country

49:48 And there's a huge history of these mounds and they're very wrapped up in energy and paranormal activity as well. And so sometimes, you know, uh, you know, as Americans we might start the story with the 200 year history we have, the couple hundred years we have, but there is a much deeper history and it could inform people losing their minds in 2020 still, you know that kind of stuff? Oh absolutely! And this is why John Keel was like particularly towards the end of his life he was just like Go, leave. Don't look into this stuff there's nothing good for you in this stuff just stay away I'll tell you when i watch that hellier series and I'm like ugh I hope it ends well for these people There was a whole meme going on where are the gremlins no gremlins

50:41 Well, you know why would they appear on camera? You know why would they be that cooperative? My sense is that if you run around trying to place yourself in these situations point pleasant and hellier and all these kind of things. You just need very careful because a lot smarter people than you have met unhappy fates let's just say in dealing with his stuff. And again, this is something you know if you read Akhil especially later books he was quite sober about and he wasn't being sensationalistic about it He was just like no don't stop stay away! And the more kind of have experience with the stuff I mean...I think the more relate to that. I mean i think something happened to Akhil Something really bad happened him sometime in late 70's early 80's and I think it just completely changed his world view

51:40 Something he didn't want to talk about. I think that really darkened his whole take on these things and getting back to things like Point Pleasant in the mounds, where else would Manson come from? Are we surprised that he came from this area? It's like well no because this is what these areas do apple trees grow apples and these places grow Charles Mansons. Well said! And i'm sure will bounce around a bunch of different areas we've been out of the books topics but i wanted to switch gears a little bit and talk about. Some stuff from the blog namely today's social,

52:21 Condition you referred to as the woke virus and i know a lot of people are reacting to this dominating a lotta conversations especially in the can uh the comedy sphere podcast. What the way you framed it up by think is just really interesting talk about how u see this woke virus affecting the current culture and maybe some of the real origins for this thing well this is nothing new I think it sort of popped up. It popped out, and I think it had a lot to do with Occupy Wall Street and I think it might have been summoned from its pit you know? It's very much a divide-and-rule tactic in some ways because it so clearly does divide people and it creates division in ways that I think become permanent or at least very lasting. Woke this

53:18 It was called political correctness in the early 90s. That term is still used, but what it really ties back to is that you need to go back – I mean if you really want to go back, you can go back to the 30's and the communist movements in United States or even before that with the anarchist movements and the palmer raids and these kind of actions where you would have these dissident movements pop up and experience extreme reaction from the authorities. And that reaction, I think sort of gestated in a lot of people's minds and poisoned a lot of people's minds. And i think that that toxin would eventually emerge in wokeness but

54:03 I think the more immediate precursor to this is in the late 60s when you had the Yippies and The Weathermen, and a lot of these sort of radical groups that were flirting around with low-grade terrorism. Some police were shot some bombings, and the Nixon Justice Department came down on this very hard. And a lot of people who are sort of veterans of this that didn't end up in prison retreated to a lot of these liberal arts colleges in the Northeast, Ohio. Just sort of on the rim in these rural areas places like Oberlin and Antioch and places up in Vermont, rural Massachusetts that's really sort of the spawning ground for what was called intersectionalism. And intersectionalism was it arose out of radical feminism and it was just basically a way

54:59 determining who is the most disadvantaged or the most victimized, are you black? Are you gay? Are you female? Is this your politics so on and so forth. So it was very theoretical in a lot of ways I don't think that it had been weaponised the way it had been later that wouldn't really come into the later 80s, but it just sort of gestated in certain circles in left circles. But it really transmuted into what I would call illiberal leftism because it is very anti-liberal its authoritarian and I would argue that it's totalitarian in many regards so it gestated in these colleges

55:47 certain circles, small press magazines and then began to emerge into the larger culture in the late 80s with a reaction to Reagan and Bush. And so on and so forth. It became very much a topic of conversation in the early 90's I think what all this had to do is that you would have a lot of professors who were older in these colleges retire And this new generation that had come of age in the late 60s and early 70s, cut their teeth on intersectionalism and identity politics.

56:29 Really come into power. I think a lot of what we saw in the early 90s was reaction to that And you know, we had people like Camille Paglia had written a lot of screeds about this We had a book called The Closing Of The American Mind which looked at a lot of the ferment on campus You know this authoritarian type of anti-liberal leftism that today we call woke Republicans were very effective and using PC as a weapon against the mainstream left or against liberals. So it's ironic that an anti-liberal, academically based movement is being used against liberals quite effectively

57:15 Because we saw, I mean, Clinton was elected. I think a lot of the Clinton election had to do with Ross Perot. He split the Republican vote, I would argue. But you know, Clinton very soon there was a huge landslide in 1994 where the Republicans won both houses of Congress and had this very adversarial relationship that ended up with impeachment in 97 and 98 And then following that, we had this sort of anti-PC movement that was very effectively weaponized by Republican strategists. It sort of just receded back and went back to the colleges and went back places like Antioch and Oberlin in Wake Forest and a lot of these places, you know, liberal arts colleges. Then it would return

58:07 for reasons we can argue about, but it would return after the 2012 election I think in earnest. And basically what we call wokeness today sort of arose from that comeback it had. But I think what coincided with is that it coincided with the collapse of mainstream religions because I think wokeness for a lot of people as religion people see it as political philosophy but they behave like religion. They behave like religious fanatics, I think...I mean, that's a unique observation on my part but the problem is that since it was focused in these liberal arts colleges humanities programs arts programs you had a lot of people who were very well indoctrinated into this philosophy streaming into the media

58:57 I think in the wake of the economic downturn, you know the great recession in the late 2000s a lot people went back to school and they were really marinating in this stuff. So we saw it really hit wokeness political correctness intersectionalism all these different philosophies really hit mainstream media in a way that I had never seen before my life. I think a lot of this was being helped along by Silicon Valley and Wall Street. You know, for tactical reasons I don't think that these people necessarily subscribe to these philosophies but the thing that i pointed out in my first major blog on this is that it's a virus but its really a cancer because it destroys the host there sort of an expression now get woke go broke

59:52 It might be a little simplistic and a little reductionist, but I think there's an essential truth there because we saw woke thinking take over. Well let's just say like you know a lot of these digital media these new sites Gawker, Vice, you know Vice is certainly a shadow with their former self. You know every time an organization like this embraces really takes the full woke pill it ends up rotting the foundations of their success and financial well-being from inside. And I think it eventually collapses, and we're seeing a number of collapses. We saw thousands upon thousands of layoffs in 2019 from digital media sites mainstream newspapers didn't take the woke pill quite as much but a lot of them did that entire industry is collapsing

1:00:49 And ironically, these liberal arts colleges that really incubated wokeness are collapsing. They're closing. You're not going to hear about this in the mainstream media or in the national media but certainly you know these local media outlets talking about how one woke college after another is closing their doors and also you know the humanities programs which were really ground zero for wokeness I've just only collapsed i think i read a statistic that humanities majors now of the whole are less than five percent it whereas in the late sixties you know humanities majors work twenty percent of the whole so that is just a catastrophic collapse there probably other reasons for that but whenever media organization or institution of any kind goes full bore on this philosophy

1:01:49 it collapses. It collapses them from within, and I always start to wonder is this like some brilliant counterinsurgency strategy by the right wing? Because it's certainly having a devastating effect on the left look no further than the presidential primaries in the Democratic Party and all this arguing about, you know just today as we're recording Joe Rogan had endorsed Bernie Sanders and then Sanders was just roasted alive on Twitter because Rogan offends a number of woke dogma. So it's a fascinating story to me because it's something that I've seen for very long time and I remember seeing a lot of these ideas

1:02:38 in the early eighties and just sort of gestating up from these colleges and seeing that it was mostly. Sent to denver circles and far left wing circles but, seeing safer company when jillette adopt this way of thinking does that add which they don't last year's superbowl which basically Destroyed the brand. I mean Gillette had an eight million dollar. I'm sorry a billion dollar write-off last year and again this wokeness it poisons because it's so divisive and because it's so stark and You're drawing these lines in the sand, I think it creates a kind of resentment that never really goes away Right right? I mean

1:03:25 Even obama said it creates a circular firing squad which is such a great term because the philosophy and mindset is so vigilant at hold such as standard that you can always find a person slip in, and then you call them out on that and your left with no one and i think thats just the best. kind of analysis to this. I had this quote from the blog where it basically just summarizes what you just said, but you say,

1:04:14 It's like damn man. That's pretty hard-hitting, but you're right Hollywood the news media the universities Silicon Valley Anyone who is drinking this Kool-Aid? it's like you're marking yourself for destruction because you will not be able to remain as pure as this philosophy is requiring you to be and some people really need to do some serious soul searching regarding what they're adopting who's cool a their drinking and it's kinda crazy because in some of your other blogs you're pointing out constantly that china is on the rise, and china likes there censorship and i sometimes wonder if maybe its the right but maybe its like this new rise of china dominance this seems like.

1:05:01 The stepping stones to social crediting first you self sensor then everybody has this circular firing squad were no longer united by being americans let's say and i'm not big on nationalism but it still something and we're just gonna destroy ourselves and its like. Hold on a second take a step back and see where this road is going because if you. Wanna end up like china as different as it seems i mean this is the road to get there starts with self censorship it goes to pre crime thought crimes which have been covering as well, add before you know everybody's censoring themselves no one's talking and your digital surveillance platforms are in full swing and it's a road to uh the kind of things going on in china

1:05:48 Well, it's funny you should bring that up because there is a... I think it has been taken down from YouTube now but there was very interesting interview that I think was Edward Griffin. You know one of these kind of virtue types had done with KGB defector back in the 80s and it uncannily described what we are seeing now. He had referred to some kind of subversion program. There is actually Russian term for it. I think a lot of your listeners will probably be familiar with this interview It was pretty well circulated for a while. And again, I think it's been taken down which is kind of chilling but the way he described certain Soviet KGB tactics and how they would infiltrate and subvert a country that they've targeted through the opinion forming media through academia through these institutions that they might perceive as being at least soft

1:06:47 on opposition to communism or the Soviet system. I don't want to sound like some kind of McCarthyite here, but i'm just pointing out that this guy was pretty well describing the tactics that we're seeing today but I do wonder if like what if the legacy of these tactics that were injected into the academic institutions in the wake of Vietnam and Watergate And then with the fall of the Soviet Union and the Soviet system, it kind of becomes zombie systems that they operated. It's like a computer virus that it just starts acting out its own protocol. It doesn't act on the instructions of the engineer or designer. It just starts doing all these crazy things I think if we see a lot of the way wokeness and intersectionalism and identity politics have played out

1:07:46 that it doesn't seem like there's somebody at the switch, you know? It doesn't seem like there is somebody at the wheel. That it has become so chaotic and so many people who are ideologically pure one day and then next day they're being thrown to the wolves. It reminds me of the wake of the French Revolution or The Inquisitions whenever you have these kind of ideological philosophical purity exercises purges, so on and so forth that a lot of the people who think they're on top of the heap one day are being again thrown to the wolves the next day. So it's a very strange and chaotic process but if you look at what is actually happening, you know the qui bono argument? Yeah everybody is annoyed and inconvenienced by this and everybody is always worried about running afoul

1:08:47 these ever-changing political diktats. But this is why I wrote that article, so what are we seeing? Okay let's start from the top. Liberal Arts College is closing down en masse. Humanities programs being decimated, being a shadow of their former self no matter how loud and noisy they are with intersectionalism and all these kinds of what they call you know very vocal minority mainstream media taking it on the chin Digital media, this huge influx of digital media sites that we saw rise up in the mid to late 2000s and on into the early teens.

1:09:30 become very widespread, very popular. Very well financed and thought of and you know there's a great deal of prestige Gawker and Vice and Salon all these kind of sites they've all just been absolutely decimated You know lot of them are just simply running on fumes And being kept alive almost out of the sense to me like An inability to admit defeat, you know an inability to give their ideological enemies any satisfaction. The zombies they're a shadow of the former selves they're running on skeleton crews they have no money but they can't be shut down because that would be...you know that would be a tactical defeat that would embolden...embolden the opposition and demoralize the troops

1:10:18 Mm-hmm. And man as we're closing this thing out, I did also want to mention that you do have a Private invite only blog now for the never ending Liz Frazier rabbit hole It was consuming the secret Sun which we never want to do because it's such a great resource So you broke it off into its own thing can people get access to that if they contact you? Oh People can get access to it if they're clever and motivated. Okay, fair! Let's leave it at that and I also wanted to touch on the Secret Sun Book Nook. This is pretty cool It seems like you have a little digital bookstore where you've paired and curated some great content together by theme which is just a really awesome idea

1:11:06 Yes, I'm glad you pitched that or plugged that. Yeah it's been a huge success! I've done two rounds already and it's just the way of keeping in touch with the audience and helping keep this work afloat help keep the work going in a way isn't just passing the begging bowl around and giving people information that I think they need Yeah, yeah. I mean and i have such an overflow of books from publishers and authors that send them out... ...I might have to Howard Stern that one from you because this is taking up too much room in this office here! And either way I know I gotta let you go at some point again secretson.blogspot.com for all your Chris Knowles needs he will live up in the sky as the great new novel anything else to leave him with?

1:12:03 I have a lot of irons in the fire. Let's just say that, uh...I don't know how much of it will be ready by the time this airs but just keep an eye on the site because i've got a lot of big plans now Now-now I sort of broke the log jam with this book. I'd been a little uh, I don't know literally constipated I guess you know as far as Getting things out into the market and there are number reasons that The way the book market has changed has a lot to do with it But I feel this book really sort of broke the log jam and, uh...I've got a lot more material that's been sitting on my desktop for quite some time now that i want to get out to people. Provocative! Provocative! I'm excited for that and this has been a lot of fun man you've been great friend and colleague I'm lucky to know ya You're The Man thanks as always Thank you Greg always a pleasure and honor

1:12:59 Then the knee people, there it is! The great Chris Knowles. Being way too kind to your humble stoner host but does it get any better than Chris? I don't think so Putting his OCD to proper use decoding the esoteric layers of reality and trying to bring the world back from the brink of insanity Always a good time You know there are a lot of previous THC guests who transitioned over to fiction and i haven't always been receptive or excited about. Dedicated show to a book that is fiction i often just say let me know when the next one comes around that is more relevant to what we're interested in,

1:13:47 It's just sometimes a difficult interview for me to do i think the last time we really did one based on fiction was the lovecraft code when peter lavenda put that out. But chris is book is just so full of relevant content and really just a template for the way that he thinks these things are probably connected and so nonfiction fiction is a great way to describe it, We were gonna talk about the corona virus a little bit more on top of the woke one but that story was really just coming out when we recorded and i mean what really do you need to know swine flu bird flu coronavirus it's always something and.

1:14:32 What is interesting is, of course there's a bio lab right near the epicenter of this thing. And its logo looks like the Umbrella Corporation from Resident Evil. I almost think that's too good to be true it could be a doctored image some prankster on the internet But we have seen life imitate art more than a few times. What's definitely true is that Netflix released a docuseries called Pandemic on the day that the virus news was truly rolled out, January 7th or something? I don't know...I never really want to contribute to or get caught up in media hype for these sorts of things

1:15:13 But I do look for elements and threads that might suggest this isn't just some random organic occurrence. Nothing is, right? And i'm not even sure that i'm 100% in on germ theory as it's presented anyway! I actually had this thought about vaccines because i was interviewed on another show called The System is Down. It was a great time, I don't think they've put it out yet but we talked about vaccines and the hosts didn't vaccinate and I think they were surprised maybe even disappointed when I said that I would likely vaccinate my kids with a minimalist schedule and when they're a couple years older like right before entering school

1:15:55 And I do want to send them to public school so that they can learn that you have to deal with and work with, and potentially avoid all sorts of different types of people in this life. You can't live in a bubble their lives are going to be weird enough Now I'm not sure...I don't have kids yet but my preliminary thought is that someone like Del Big Tree probably has a protocol for being one foot in and one foot out and I would probably trust that But if the elite really want to weed out the rebels, weed out the people who don't play ball. What if like a lock and key they create a vaccine throw it into insane schedule of 60 that were already given to kids and then 5 years later release a virus specific to that vaccine? I'm getting way off topic here but

1:16:45 I just don't put anything past the medical space. It is a dark place and in one fell swoop they could hit everyone who's a vaccine skeptic with the very tools they're using already, right where it hurts most their own children Just something to think about. But yeah, loved this show! Chris's book is a great read and it has been awhile since I even read fiction. I read Christina Henry's Alice not long ago because I literally did judge the book by the cover and it was fine

1:17:21 But if you're a fan of the X-Files or the type of story structure where characters who have no interest in conspiracies, or the paranormal are thrust headfirst down the rabbit hole it's a very enjoyable ride and it does showcase how many of these interlocking pieces probably work. I love the title of the book too and more importantly where that title comes from And you'll know when you read it And Chris has been very good to us with his time and his work over the years. The Secret Son has always just been a blog that he totally could have turned into three or four books by now if he really wanted to capitalize, so show him some love and pick up He Will Live Up in the Sky! It's like 13 bucks Also I mentioned the talent agreements that i've been proposed from various tv producers or studios maybe you saw my social media posts about them

1:18:17 But Chris has been awesome there too. He put me in contact with one of his guys and he's just been a huge help when dealing with the production companies who have invited me to contribute to a couple TV shows they're trying to start up Of course I'm not stupid, i know to read a contract and not sign anything that would ever interfere with THC but it would be cool life experience to be part of show I just don't get why it can't be like guest spots on a podcast. We don't really need to bring ink and paper into this, as Mitch Hedberg would say but after i think this is like the fifth talent agreement I've seen and we tried to push back and negotiate and they just rejected all our requests...I think I'm just done dealing with it. Also kind of done with social media gonna take a big step back there. Of course I'm going to post the shows but

1:19:14 I'm really gonna start watching what i say because even though i've said a thousand times that i don't offend easily and i actually like that kind of humor, when i do say something raw or even just fucking around there is an uncomfortable backlash. And i don't really care but look at what happened to Ari Shafir. Ariush pushed it that's his humor i gotta support the guy he was kind enough to sit in my car on the comedy store parking lot smoke a joint and do an interview back when i wasn't shit It was like before I even had 20 episodes. But he makes a Kobe Bryant joke and people publish his address, publish his grandmother's address, insinuate that people should go get him or his family... And it's just words! Go ahead and respond however you want with words but you can't threaten people and you can't attack them and you shouldn't even call for Twitter to ban them You do not want this world

1:20:13 It's easy to say you believe in free speech until you hear something that you don't like. But I do hope Chris is right and that we have experienced peak woke, and people are coming around, it's a waning kind of thing. You've got to be careful these are chaotic times so we should all be more strategic with how we navigate Don't bring yourself trouble you don't need But I did think Chris was great on the woke virus. Some people might be exhausted by the conversation, it's happening on a lot of podcasts but his blog posts that relate to this are very well written. I quoted it wherever I could and we really parsed through a lot of that more in The Plus Show Hollywood Woke reboots by The Numbers Ricky Gervais, the hired anti-woke assassin? The prospect that we've experienced peak woke

1:21:09 and a little esoteric impeachment parsing for good measure. As great as Chris is with the synchromystic stuff, he does have a career in dealing with some of this stuff and also analyzing pop culture so he really is a knowledgeable guy in that regard So all good stuff sign up for PLUS I think it's time Also Chris has a Patreon and I don't know how active he's been with it But it's set up and I told him that i'd be more than happy to give him the whole plus show if he wants to get some premium content going. I think that's fair you can be a plus member or just subscribe to Chris' Patreon, If his particular episode is mainly what you're interested in. I don't know if or how he's gonna do that but it is something we talked about and it just might be a thing

1:22:04 But that's it. I hope you had a good time, thanks for listening as always and i will see you soon with another show Your move woke virus workers occult entities of the other side and deep state players of that nefarious nexus your fucking move This is important hear what I said? I'm trying to tell you It's not paranoia not in my head It's just the hard truth Knocked on your door while I still can To ask you a qu- Cause i know your head is still in the sand Don't be sheep till you're slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we are so screwed? Don't you know where our cars go

1:23:07 Can't you just admit we're screwed? I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's a scary dark world, scarier every day Okay! Can't you see that we're so- You sit and wish but we don't have a choice It seems we're stuck here But you can find nose to drown out the noise Now use that altar End up your magic game

1:23:50 I listen to THC, you know You go with the entities If you ever see a pho Don't be sheep till ya slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Didja get the memo? Can't you say that we're so screwed? Don't you know we're R. Con food Can't you just admit we're screwed? I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's a scary dark world, scarier every day Scary dark whatcha say will be okay Can't ya see that we're so... yeah-eh-ay

1:25:04 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we are kung fu? Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's a scary dark world Something scarier every day okay