Austin Coppock | Assessing Omens, Divine Kingship, The Picatrix, & Astrological Magic

00:07 The planet's puppet masters almost surely have a plan. There clearly may be something there beyond the realm of man, until we've thoroughly tested every last closed chested view and find the more you think you know unless you really do Where would we be without THC? We know they're lying to us, just don't know to what degree. Where would we be without THC? The high side chateau, grey car, wooden company

00:57 Here we go, Hireside Chatters. It seems that by now we've noticed the world is not the random chaos they'd have us believe it is but a complex network of unseen energies and forces waxing and waning as their influences inspire events and actions like conductors behind the curtain And in this reality of synchronicity and spiritual sway, one of the aspects a person should familiarize themselves with is the path of the almighty planets as they dance around the celestial sphere. We're aware of the ancient Sol value and the great grandfather clock in the sky... The elite have consulted with oracles and astrologers probably more than we already know

01:35 and a person can gain valuable insight from examining their own chart, how it relates to the ongoing changes in the configuration. So when we transition to a new year it's always advantageous to take time to look back at trails we blazed and look forward for insights into what might come next To do that, I'd like to check in with the best astrologer I know Austin Kopik. You've heard him here twice before and i'm psyched to hear what's on Earths agenda going forward The space weather watcher extraordinaire the great path predictor and planetary personality profiler my friend and yours Austin welcome back to The Higher Side Hey Greg thanks for having me you got a man always a treat

02:13 So let's talk about last year a bit to get the wheels greased. Yeah, I think it's a good way to get started and as we kind of look back at what the forecast was for 2017 verse the reality how did the map seem to match the territory? What are your thoughts on what we saw in the year of the fire cock which i thought was an appropriately named here to say the least yeah indeed right Will i'm a general thematic level the primary thing that i wrote about and thought about for twenty seventeen was the super abundance of planets in fire signs. And expected the year to know,

02:56 Have the character of where they call it not a triathlon and decathlon, where is kind of exhausting and the event keeps changing its this game in that game and now you're doing archery now your running a mile etc etc. And i also expected a lot of what's sound and fury signifying nothing A lot of smoke but you couldn't quite tell where the fire actually was there obviously were fires but it was much more reason to smoke and that sort of constant outrage and upset. Without a whole lot of events have consequence happening in order for things that i think happen that will remember twenty seventeen about twenty seventeen

03:44 What if you think about the amount of upset and outrage the amount of emotional energy spent worrying about things there wasn't didn't quite match the actual events answer that was that was very much as expected. I was really interested to see what happened during that big solar eclipse right because that was we talked about the beginning of twenty seventeen or maybe it was the end of twenty sixteen. And i was like oh thats very interesting you know that's a point in time line to triple underline and then as we got closer to everybody is talking like so hyped up

04:23 And I was just like, I just wanted to see what would actually happen. Right? You can only think and talk about things so much ahead of time. And so it was really interesting to see what happened I would say the first thing that actually happened was that in two weeks after the eclipse, portions of the United States were assaulted by fire and flood. Destruction by fire and water! And i'm here in southern Oregon so not only did i see the eclipse What i think a day or two after the skies became choked with ash and smoke to the degree that the afternoon sun just look like a dull red through the haze in the air smell like destruction and not that was too weak solid of that i believe where we had the worst quality in the nation for several days in a row

05:23 And meanwhile, other parts of the United States are getting buffeted by hurricanes. And that was interesting because I guess you know i was so focused on the human human and cultural impact of the eclipse that I forgot that sometimes these things are extremely literal. It's like, you know, the dark sun slices through the United States and then there is destruction. That's almost more... You know it so literal takes us back to like Babylonian omen reading or something, you know when when the Sun and Moon are eclipsed in this place then You know there shall be destruction in the land And if it's you come at it from what's almost like a cartoonish prophetic angle. You would have been dead on right and that's funny because we did have the

06:16 Northwest corner on fire the southeast corner blasted with floods like you said i even did a show right in that time frame about dozens of strange all men wing humanoid sightings and chicago right there in the middle of the country so i was just like man all along that path we got heightened activity going on to say the least. Yeah yeah and that's you know that's a element as far as activity or people seeing creatures that probably don't exist or don't exists. In exactly the same way that we exist that sort of veil sharing is something that very common to eclipse season for whatever reasons

07:01 Eclipse is seem to sort of connect the visible and invisible or the apparent and the latent, what are like opens a portal there and so you get things changing faster lot of times you'll see I'm a personal level if there's something you been thinking about for awhile like you can kinda you know when you look back on it you could see that change coming for awhile but during the little clip season that change will suddenly emerge fully form your like oh i'm ready to do this differently or ready to stop doing this and ready to start doing yes.

07:36 But that also happens outside of an individual psyche. And it's also, you know they're weird and occult-y externally. It's just weird both in the W E I R D and the W Y RD senses. Indeed! Yeah so there was the extremely obvious disaster component of that. And then culturally it was very surreal who in the middle of that eclipse season see the marchers in charlottesville some of them doing a neo nazi thing or however you wanna whatever terms people use for literally like. It's the waving the flag of the black sun right it's like the black sun is coming up and then you have people doing that publicly it's like that

08:27 bizarre. And what's even stranger to me is the particular decan, which is a third of a sign where that solar eclipse occurred, is a decan that I chose to represent symbolically as a banner or flag in my work looking over past images and trying to summarize them and like literally seeing basically the black sun on a flag was again shockingly literal so there's And so what's interesting is with the clips is that traditional predictive framework for clip says, is it first solar eclipse get six months to show you everything that has in store.

09:07 And since it clips is a car roughly every six months it's basically that particular clips is valid until you get the next solar eclipse. Where are the very tail end of that right now got about three weeks to go and so there was the fact this eclipse was right on top of trump son just as an astrologer if that's your client you're like oh boy i got hit pretty hard for that is just people in my regular life i was spouting off quite a bit about the great american eclipse and this. Indication that it was spelling out of career change in trumps chart now is, about to make dozens of conventional folks see the power of astrology like they never seen and now they laugh at me austin what happened well i don't know

09:53 So part of it is, you know you can look at something like that and say well this is the kind of thing that happens a lot of the time. As much as I would love if astrology was 100% or let's say my ability to look at astrology allowed me to be 100% about everything, that would be great! Not that that's not and never going to be the case even if theoretically there is perfect astrology right? You then have to wonder whether human beings are capable of doing that. But so one of the things was interesting about the trump administration during that period of time is that's when banning got let go,

10:34 And so that is a significant moment for that administration. It's not Trump being impeached, right? Which is a little... I was talking with Gordon about this and he was like no no that was a really significant shift and not a good one for Trump. And I was like yeah that's fair but when we look at the precedence For this eclipse cycle so clips come around in more or less the same place every eighteen point six years and will be a band of about eighteen months where they're in the same pair of signs right. And so when we look back at this one, this particular cycle. This cycle is very hard on leaders in the United States. The last time we were doing this cycle was when Bill Clinton got impeached and a time before that was when Reagan got shot and you can go yeah and you can go back to the 20th century and almost every time we get this cycle you have really hard times for whoever's in office

11:38 Right and the types of events are different but there almost always really obvious answer anyway corner talking about this and you know that was that was a significant shift in the trump administration as in that's fair but, the pattern for this eclipse this series is usually not something that you have to think about. Right make sense and just because something usually does something doesn't mean that it will one hundred percent all the time do it you know eighty percent is worth considering. Yeah i mean gordon always says magic is a probability enhancer so obviously that doesn't mean a hundred percent but your chances are incredibly heightened within a certain. Time frame for something to happen yeah yeah yeah anyways that was a little surprising we're also in this eclipse the same eclipse cycle that's hard on american leadership for another year so will see ah,

12:34 I mean i had a time if we're gonna guess that something like obvious what happened to the president i would have guessed it was it would've been in the six months following the eclipse that was on me on his ascendant. But you know again these exact science yeah well you know, you can get a probability where your life and i think its gonna be then it's worth betting right it's weird the odds As in many things trump is really distracting right. doesn't mean it's not worth considering but it's important to not let that guy suck up all your attention and I think one of the things that. I didn't think about enough because trump is so distracting is that if you look at what are the traditional significations for a total eclipse occurring over the body of our country sure its leaders but it also there's this like this fourth century text

13:33 Which is basically like the common people need fear and eclipse far less than those who are in positions of kingship and nobility you know people who are highly ranked in that country thats. That's what the eclipse that's what a solar eclipse signifies is the downfall of people who are normally in bright radiant positions. Right and so you know not too long, once we got a month or two out of that eclipse then we started seeing people falling from the sky right beginning with one star but then there's been a cascade of meteoric falls since then and i was like oh well

14:14 That was right there you know that's right there with like literally just read the book it says okay people in high positions they will fall in six months following a clip over country like this and we know is just right there. You can also tie that into politics cuz yeah we saw these people falling and hollywood but also i cant remember presidential administration had so many firings i mean those are positions of kingship Oh yeah, oh yeah. Or nobility dude if you're in the court of the king you're under the eye of the eclipse well and so Gordon and I were talking about this and it's like well you know what maybe So if you look at the cultures from which we get these celestial omens right? Like an eclipse as an attack on The King right and those who are royal You know where we're back in Mesopotamia We're back in Babylon Right

15:08 You can find it other places but it is in particular mesopotamia that gives what people call western astrology you know about sixty percent of its dna and so they, when they had omens like that. It wasn't like the king sat around and was like okay I guess im fucked right there are methods you figure out what the probabilities are and if their terrible for you Then you move around that rain and so you know kind of the oldest trick in the book is the dummy king sacrifice make somebody else came for a day and then get rid of them. Wow or you know you get rid of people around you use sacrifice other people to you know to appease the dire gods above

15:54 And so again it's the oldest trick in the book when you see a woman like that. And so it symbolic substitution answer to a certain degree i think banning works in that capacity but i don't know if thats sort of an accidental solve or atropic solution for the king in this case or You know is the world increasingly reveals its strange news you know who knows maybe there are people who understand that who want trump in power for now.

16:31 Right we're like okay so we're gonna do this and that's going to keep you where we want. Absolutely possible it is just a little bit frustrating because i think there's definitely power in the stuff but yet skeptics in my life they would probably interpret this conversation as fudging the data to make the prediction fit but its like what can you do these aren't exact things and they are just kind of waves of energy and they manifest in different ways, but it's like you either think there's value in it or you don't. And it's really hard to point two things that are like clockwork and say well here is the proof at least from their perspective. Yeah I know I think that's fair. I think my experience of astrology was that the more examined did the more satisfied the skeptical part of me was oh yeah and

17:27 Because I thought it was fucking garbage when i was younger and i was just shocked that worked at all and then i learned more in work better. Etc etc and there is actually a cliche in the astrological community where half of the half of the professional astrologers started out astrology by trying to debunk it but try to be serious. Which means to study at and study how it works what the methods are and then compare that to what happens when people are like and they end up affirming And of course, most of that's done on a personal level which is different than doing the astrology of history. But that is a very common thing again common enough to be a cliche and I sympathize with that there was a book I think on Raja yoga that I read when I was 19

18:20 And i don't remember anything about it except for this one paragraph and the paragraph basically said don't argue with the skeptical critical evidence requiring part of yourself dont try to Don't try to just turn that off. Just acknowledge that's gonna be there and that there is a part of you, that is going to need to see the data stack up before it's going to shut up and that part isn't always right It's not automatically right or wrong its just that part of the mind And then it better investigate and satisfy That part You know give it its due but also remember that it's not automatically correct

19:05 Yeah i mean make sense it's also my favorite way to hear that conspiracy researchers got on to certain topics is first by being like there's no way this is possible nine eleven was not an inside job let me dig into this data so that I can prove it and then you come out of the other side in your right now but called where did the towers go how the head of conspiracy rabbit hole. So I mean, I like that when people try to debunk things and they end up coming out the other side. I think that's really the best way to get into something rather than just being naive and assuming it works when you really haven't vetted it properly

19:44 Right well and i would say that until you've gotten into the gears of something especially with astrology. What does it mean that works right like you need to a certain degree you need to see how it works to know what to expect As an output from that machine right like chemistry predict everything that's going to happen exactly. Absolutely not write that wouldn't suggest that human beings have no capacity for meaningful choice, are there some things they get predicted bang on oh yeah just look at the history but can everything be predicted

20:25 No right you know when you get into and so let's just say that you validate astrology and you get to the point where i can't this is definitely worth taking into consideration. And then lets a you know again lets your the king and there's a solar eclipse coming up, what can i do about that? Right now it's an incredible like that's a question that occurs naturally feel like oh there is no wind blowing in exactly my direction and that's also something that happens on individual level right you're like i've got you know this is my chart and i've got this period coming up. That looks very unfortunate and when i check back at when precedent for this period has occurred what's been shitty every time the question is then,

21:15 What do i do about this right and that's where i guess you can see that's where magic fits red that's where the long tradition of Astrological planetary stellar ritual and magic fits in. Right because if you validated that okay this is worth being concerned about then how do i shape it or how do i get the bomb to land ten feet further away right, where are we making that guy rather than me that's interesting to me and this is something i'm thinking about a lot lately for some hours Listening i was actually listening to you talk to chris noles a couple weeks ago when on christmas rampage nine hours of stuff in three days which by the way is a mind altering experience but

22:06 I was thinking about you know i thinking about so what do you do right so if you know that there is an omen coming down or the planets are configured in such a way that there's no come to you don't like, that is high probability for you and so it made me think back to what the model for divine kingship. This is especially apparent in old mesopotamia can definitely see it in Traditional china and you can eat your up to a lot of other places the whoever the region or sovereign was it was often explicitly their job to mediate heaven and earth. Right it was there that's where you get the mandate of heaven from you know is explicitly their job to see what was happening and then try to shape that in such a way that it was favorable for the kingdom right

22:59 It's actually that royal obsession with meeting between heaven and earth. That is trilogy comes out of the cycles of the planets were plotted for the first time that we know in an accurate manner because i'm multi hundred year babylonian astronomical research project And these were not scientists who are off at the academy of me no funded by the state but not necessarily directly answerable to it these are the kings astrologers astronomers right he's like i need to know when this shit is gonna happen. Right and because it matters because,

23:37 It matters to me and it matters to the kingdom and i think you can see this particular the preoccupation of the elite layer with the heavens in mediating the heavens are even more explicitly and china. There's a wonderful book on the astronomy astrology of china called pacing the void. And in an early chapter the author reproduces number of legal documents from that period showing that it was actually illegal for people who are not in the employee of the emperor to study astrology because that was his

24:18 The ability to know that and to take those into consideration and shape things in accordance with that was his divine right, but it was very explicitly not your right. I love a story like that because just hearing that is an indication that astrology has real value! Yeah yeah, that's for me. And just to jump to the 20th century If you look at the Nazis as they were taking power in Germany, we know that the inner circle was all about some astrology and some magic. That was not promoted as a culturally, you know – that was not culturally promoted. They cracked down on groups who are not them. They tried to make sure that nobody else had that

25:01 Right? A monopoly. And so it's interesting because you have, you do have a cause I remember I've put back on our discussion or first discussion which was about astrology and the elite and I was thinking about that very much from the astrologers perspective at that during that conversation which is not in inappropriate perspective right but from an elite perspective You do have this pattern of trying to take that power for yourself and actively either making it illegal or even better delegitimizing in the culture at large right so thats for you, that's for you its not for them. And that was an interesting pattern to revisit. Right is interesting to think about from there and you know even one of the most famous examples of astrologer and somebody who had a lot of power

25:56 was John Dee and Elizabeth, right? It wasn't like everyone's like, oh cool the Queen has an awesome astrologer. I bet he's great! I wish I could get a reading with him." You know that wasn't illegal thing there were aspects of astrology that you could look at and you can look at what it said about the weather in planting but we weren't allowed to get into the juicy stuff so i've been thinking about that and I started thinking about astrological magic because that is in a sense the way that you mediate heaven and earth

26:31 Right you like who mars is in a really strong position what if i pointed that over there rather than over here and cause we're talking about that mediation there's the protective aspect of that like who i wanna make sure that i get through this okay but then their souls so those sort of active directing angle on it right. Like the energy still has to be satisfied somehow so if you don't wanna satisfy it because it's a negative force then you gotta give it something exactly and more of the proactive side. And so v,

27:08 Bible of astrological magic is undisputedly the Picatrix, right? And I think we've talked about the Picatrix before. For those who aren't familiar with it, the Picatrix is actually probably called the Gaiet Al-Hakim is sort of the big book of astrological magic. And it was written at some time in the 11th century AD, in a city called Haran which no longer exists. Haran is basically right now where the border of Turkey and Syria And the pic of tricks like many of the magic books from back in a day is a combination of excerpts from a number of different text with commentary. Right there i believe the author claims that their over two hundred books that he's referenced

27:59 And if you think about it's difficult to fill a library with two hundred volumes that are actually useful on a particular topic now, even with the internets and all of that. And so he was going to distill this down for you, saying you're never gonna own all these books but here is the best bits here is the logic behind them right? That got translated into Latin and ended up being infamous grimoire during medieval especially renaissance periods in Europe No so you know the picture contains things that an individual can do like how to make a magic ring of saturn little make old people like you and will help you live a long time it's alright but.

28:40 If we look at where is it coming what tradition is a coming out of cuz wasn't that one man had the honor me the author's anonymous by the way, it's not like one guy was just got a great idea for book and just you know. You know he's putting together and framing pre existing material so let's think about where were that is that's her on her on was at that point one of the only places in the Mesopotamian region where the old school Babylonian gods and worship and whatnot were still happening. It's said that they celebrated the annual death of Temaz or Dumuzi every year up into the 11th century, this was a city of people- This is also the Temple of the Moon which is still standing at this point

29:34 And this is a city that we know actively paid, we could call heretic tax through several different caliphs or caliphates. Part of the way that that caliphate structure worked is It wasn't all convert or die. It was if you're doing something which can be connected to how Islam is conceptualized at that point, like you were following this prophet who preceded Muhammad and isn't as good but it's still in the lineage, you are allowed to be there and whatnot but you could pay basically a heretic tax

30:11 And so the people of Haran said, okay well our prophet is Hermes, who is like this Old Testament prophet. So technically we're still in the same stream so we're fine right? So we know this is all document this isn't you know here's a or whatever it's kind of amazing right it sounds like a wild conspiracy theory like the city of her medicine where there still celebrating old mess but he can god. Yeah i mean i love that because that seems to be the thing with,

30:46 references in super bowl halftime shows and grammy awards and just all the things we see and of course the main rituals we see out there it's really chris is open my eyes to its all back to babylon i mean, we got bloomberg opening a temple to methris. And london like why are you putting your energy into that europe billionaire who's Got their hand in so many pies but your emphasis is on some old babylonian shit that doesn't even really register you should care and. It's just strange how many things go back to that time period so the city of her on kind of a standing alone as an example of carrying these traditions on at a time and an arrow where no one else was and just paying for the ability to do it. I speak to this is powerful shit you wanna take a little tax from me sure i'll pay because this is way more valuable than those fiat notes that your requesting sure you can have those

31:45 Exactly what and anyway so you think of it like what is the lineage of planetary magic echoes back to the old mess but me and divine kingship thing it's literally only place where that surviving at that period time, end show it give me a new angle on astrological magic house. In a sense this is very much A miniaturization and individualization or a minute in there for a miniature is asian of what was you know what was originally royal power that's the method right point to heavens where you want them you know who point the red eye of mars at your enemies not your friends.

32:27 And so that's also interesting to me because that's where egyptian magic comes from it literally stolen out of the pyramids during the first intermediate period starts as a royal power technology and then During periods of disruption or instability individual stealing and that's actually one of the sort of big streams that contributes to the emergence of her medicine is priest without temples miniaturizing what they were doing, down to an individual level and that feeds into her medicine which is you know one of the few great currents in magic.

33:09 And so listening to Chris really got me going. He gave me a different perspective on what I already knew, you know? These pieces were there to put together So we have astrological magic as being a miniaturization of of the king's power to mediate heaven and earth. Now what is really interesting about this, in a way that it connects I think to what Chris is seeing, if we look at what is the method? How do you do this stuff right? Pika Trix is interesting and stands out and stands in distinction

33:46 To a lot of the grammars because it's not about names and it's not about crazy looking sigils just little bit of that is almost entirely image magic you attract the heavens power down to earth by creating particular images, that correspond to what's above and so the primary language eighty five percent of his images. And so it's like oh if you want to do a something you know cut into the stone the image of a woman whose head is shining and she has a mirror in one hand and their horses racing before her etc but you don't have a you don't have a schedule you are the glyph. And you don't have any name and some of these images are recognizable you know if you've got the knowledge that actually hurt you please,

34:37 Or you're like, oh that's actually this North African goddess. But what's interesting is you don't need to know the name for the image to do its work which is kind of striking and powerful in some ways right because magic When people talk about magic even magicians but you know especially. Who is it in movies or whatever stories it's all about names of power right names and like crazy seals that certainly a portion of magic, what then there's this other whole branch in the specifically the astrological stellar planetary branch which focuses on images

35:16 Right and so now look at the patterns that chris is investigating in pointing out it's like oh you have to do is have the image. Right all you have to do is have the story of the image you don't necessarily need to name it you know that if you don't need a name that character in that show after some ancient babylonian thing doesn't have to be sure mark up like if you have the images images do they work they attract those intelligent those celestial intelligence. That makes sense. I mean, that is why I guess you would have Katy Perry riding in on a flaming lion like let's just put that image out there and then i guess it's just hard to figure out what to do with it or how you channel it? I guess you put it on everybody's TV screen and deflect all the negative energy to the people watching. I don't know yeah this has all been a very recent set of thoughts for me

36:13 When i request stuff that's shaped like a spell yeah that's great but. What is the point of this right there's no you know chris is a wonderful job with sort of doing up post mortem on a ritual site be like okay, yep this is a ritual circle ok seems like these are the symbols but then immediately and like okay well what was the intention yes right cuz u don't have spells without intention. Exactly that's the hardest part to figure out cuz we're not in the club Great great although you know we do have it seems that we do have access to some of the same technologies that some people in the club utilize.

36:54 Like, are you talking about grimoires and the Picatrix? Yeah. If they're looking at astrology and then timing ritual or spectacle in order to manage history—that's a way I've been thinking about it—like you're trying to manage... Because if you're in control, you'd rather like to stay that way. Nobody likes to lose power especially people who are most notable for their desire for power right? And so how do you manage history, right?, in one country or several so as to maintain your position. So I think we can assume that that's probably the motive is managing this period of history

37:39 And that sort of comes back to a question I had before. I got into connecting, thinking about the roots of astrological magic and on larger timescale than just this year we're at it and this is something we've talked about before We're at this period where there's a changeover in 200-ish years cycle The primary method for doing the astrology of history Is the cycle of jupiter saturn conjunctions and they know that's been a case since least eight nine hundred eighty probably as early approach routes but you can see in about mr on the great revolutions but what's fun about the jupiter saturn conjunctions is there every twenty years

38:26 And then after a set of about ten they occur in a set of signs of the different elements so you get roughly two hundred years of earth than two hundred years of air. You know and then any proceeds through the elements that way when you examine history through this lens. You see really consistent in interesting patterns, when people think about astrology and history and big cycles a lot of the time you know that go to the only thing i've heard is the age of aquariums right or the age of pisces And these are these 2160 year periods, they're super long. And when we look at history through that lens, we can see those symbols rather explicitly on a religious level with the age of Pisces begins and the cults of the fish savior Jesus ends up being a big deal right? The previous 2000 years it's the ram check previous two thousand ish years it's the bull check

39:29 Right answer that cycle that very long cycle seems to tell us a lot about religious symbols and formula for a period of time but i just really tell you anything about power in politics right money, where is the jupiter saturn cycle which is much smaller seems to be explicitly geared towards the way that things are politically and economically organized. And so right now were a couple years before that changes over. We're at the end of a period that officially began in 1802. And so this has been the earth cycle and certainly if we think about what earth means, the last 200 and almost 20 years I have certainly been focused on that one you know everybody's trying to own the land own the resources also all of our industrial revolutions have happened during this period

40:24 Also material is in became a dominant way of approaching the world right there that thing is pretty self explanatory what do you think about it. Right so the next jupiter saturn conjunction is at the end of twenty twenty and its in aquarius which is an airside people get tripped up on will isn't aquarium water science to water bear no it's an air sign, think of it as clouds are water bears but our gas yes that's like a quick mnemonic That is by the way not the beginning of the age of a query that's an entirely different cycle. What does begin the two hundred year air cycle this is something im still working on putting together research and getting ready to write up, so if we have a cycle like this and it small enough that we can look at precedence then we can get an idea what might look like right

41:18 We can get a precedent for the age of aquariums because it was like. Twenty five thousand years ago right we don't have a lot of data from them but look at your cycle when basically go back about eight hundred years couple times so, Last time the air cycle began was almost exactly when gang is con sets out to conquer everything no alright so eight years before that were about four hundred eighty right this is great for western rome and basically falling apart. And then if we go to the previous air cycle it's when alexander the great boys you totally break up the person in paris and so what really interesting is that all three of these seem to privilege just ropes of conquerors. Rather than sort of concurrent hold type of patterns right so games gone biggest land empire on earth that business breaks up very quickly after his death

42:21 What's interesting is it ends up being establishing a lot of trade networks and that's interesting to me because that exactly what alexander's conquest. Alexander's conquest, I don't think his empire made it a year after his death broken up immediately. What that ends up laying the framework for the hellenistic world where you have people in babylon talking to people and alexandria talking new people in athens, and also with the if u look at the fall of the western roman empire That's also just ropted it's not like the goals came in and they're like now we own rome and working to hold up for three hundred years. Right what is not that kind of conquer and hold sort of pattern and what you have in every case is a disruptive conquest then lays the groundwork for more multi polar trade oriented thing

43:18 Which is interesting in and of itself right. Yeah it's interesting but it's kinda hard to conceptualize in our global system where I don't know where new trade networks would emerge well great so this is interesting and this is where you order to understand where we're at we need to zoom in a little bit because if you know for looking back history and You're like oh this two hundred year thing happened five years before gang is con if you're watching it at the time you don't know the cons comment. Yeah it's hard to see those big patterns. It's hard to see those big patterns so up close, So here is a little technical note that we have to get through in order to have this discussion at the highest level. There are actually two different ways of measuring when the cycle switches over

44:12 One of them, which is the one that happens in 220, is the apparent conjunction. And what I mean by apparent is like you'll be able to look up at the sky and be like yeah Jupiter and Saturn are super close together right? Now the other way that this is reckoned is by the mean conjunction which is based on the means speeds of these planets so one is a mathematically idealized version and one is that you can see it in the sky right And so a lot of times these are exactly on track but sometimes they'll be off and you have twenty year gap before the sync up so according to the mean conjunction cycle we entered the two hundred plus years of air in two thousand.

44:57 Where is according to the apparent it doesn't happen until a couple years right and so the implication in a sense, is that the future already started we just can't see it very clearly yet because it hasn't happened on an apparent level. Wow see that's really interesting cuz i recently had gordon on as a guest you haven't heard it hasn't gone up yet but we talked about charles ford and his dominance theory like he had these. Errors of dominance where the first one was the dominant religion and then we have the dominant of science

45:35 And then he predicted we would enter the dominant of wider inclusion where all those 40 entails that people just dismissed what actually start to be folded in. Our world view and gordon also calls it the dominant of witchcraft is a similar idea these friends paranormal types things that people just can't wrap their head around there gonna be Integrated into the sciences like just one example would be the scientist from sir and came out with some announcement fairly recently that based on their calculations the universe shouldn't exist well clearly the universe exists maybe you should change your shitty model and so we're seeing a breakdown of the dominant of science were like right in it, add that kind of goes right in line with this idea of a new era and especially if its gonna be.

46:24 Symbolize by air that would be the symbol that i would point to for a lot of the weird fringe paranormal types things that i would wanna see full then yeah well and so one other things that's hopeful about. the air periods because i just talked about kings converting everybody and you know in the fall of rome. It is funny of course that the fall of western rome does coincide with astrology people have been wanting to use that as a way of thinking or as a way of being scared about united states position so it is, little bit delightful that lines up but anyway we can say that's negative

47:07 What is positive things the air cycle is fantastic for language and new systems of thought we have that every time i mean good lord the hellenistic period was such a ferment of, new and glorious ideas not nothing here's the thing they're not there new but their maid of the old right like new synthesis that has to be the result of multiple cultural systems intersecting. Right you know alexander's conquest connected the cultural spheres of mesopotamia egypt and greece in an unprecedented way, right you gotta get some new stuff out of that i get all the fingers during that time start talking to get new stuff.

47:51 Right. Well, speaking of new stuff we do have these whispers I mean this might be a quite literal interpretation but the Pentagon for the first time came out and said yeah there are UFOs and we're looking into it We got this weird Tom DeLonge chapter where he's saying oh all these technologies they're gonna be emerging from the deep state They're coming out from the basement And...We might be seeing literal air technologies Maybe that's too much but thats what i'm thinking I mean you know that's the funny thing about astrology is sometimes it's obnoxiously literal. It's like oh it's the air period and we're looking at things in the air again right a lot of times its a little bit more nuance but you know, more often than is comfortable it's obnoxiously literal you like with the eclipses right thinking about

48:41 The culture and this event it's literally just like everything is on fire. Oh but anyway so there was a point that I wanted to get to about that mean conjunction happening in 2000 even though the apparent conjunction doesn't happen for a few years 2020 right? Yeah it's the end of twenty twenty if you're looking for disruptive conquerors that unite at least in the case of jenkins and alexander. Yeah i kind of united or conquered the known world right cuz you know as far as alexander was concerned he conquered almost the entire world right what is that with the internet this time, what is that with the disruptive conqueror

49:23 What if it wasn't a dude could be its influence yeah i mean as far as like. Conquering and then setting up trade information networks which is the pattern from before, The internet kinda did that what about crypto currencies in terms of new trade routes or something that is parallel to the. Yeah well i would say is that if we assume that some part of this cycle starts on the main conjunction and then the other part of it starts on your parent conjunction, You know where is the end of this twenty years which is between arrows right were and i would say that work as a parent conjunction two thousand was in earth. Right so if we postulate to be apparent conjunction is how people are thinking about things and the mean conjunction is sort of what's actually happening

50:17 You know we've been sort of bringing her collectively we've been bringing this like the same set of assumptions and ideas that we've been working on for two hundred years. Who a period of time that's actually passed yes answer the apparent conjunction in twenty twenty would be us catching up to where things are i love it It's nice you don't have to stretch the symbols very hard to get there like it happened but we can see it yet and that's where you know as we get closer to twenty twenty, did we get closer be like oh yeah this is where are this is what we should do based on. But anyways this is a business in your thing for awhile and i was asking myself okay

51:01 So if I am a person in an elite position of power and i have access to some pretty decent astrology, then this is something that I would know about. And I'd be like ooh this is really big transition when there are transitions people who are in power lose power and people who didn't have power get power right the danger to establish powers very great during tumultuous periods right So if i'm in power how do i manage this period for my benefit. That's the question right and that sort of thing part of the angle i was bringing to the patterns that chris is done such a good job observing, cuz thats gotta be the goal is managing a transition periods so that you get to retain your position and they seem to love this divine kingship model

51:56 I think that's pretty apparent. You know, Mithras? That's what Mithras is! If you look at the Mithraic mysteries it's all like the mastery of the spheres and self-divinization and obtaining kingship... Well it is interesting not that presidents are the real power but the two presidents we've had since the bean conjunction in 2000 have had zero experience. That's a good point I mean that's rare right i think for the most part even reagan was a major governor before he was president. Yeah and so is clinton right? yeah that's uh, i hadn't considered that that's really interesting So that's a lot of big picture stuff and that's an important framing for this year Fair! And i love this type of subject and it might sound fairly cerebral or conceptual to people who are listening

52:55 What would you point to in world events as the sort of astrological management attempts that we're talking about? Hmm. That's a good question certainly the formula and symbols for divine kingship are being trotted out seemingly more visibly these days than in awhile, the big Mithras statue It's a pretty good example. I would say Christinals has done a really good job of showing all of the lion symbols, right? With the beauty and the beast and Mithras he has a delightful piece called it's beginning to look a lot like Mithras, right? Those and also connecting that with the image of Babylon not the place but Crowley's vision of the goddess these are all

53:52 Both kingship symbols and in the case of Babylon, that's an image of a transition between eons or a transition between dominance. You could put it that way. And so to a certain degree that's a doubling down or speeding up of the mobilization of kingship or sovereignty formulas. So I guess we could say that that sort of shoring-up power formula? Does that make sense? I'm not sure what to make of the mermaid thing. Well let me step in because i just actually had thought about this and i thought it was fairly relevant yeah shoot so we talked about Saturn moving from Sagittarius to Capricorn and how big a deal that is, and the influence that Saturn has well what is Capricorn? It's a mergo

54:45 It's a goat headed mermaid basically it's a fish tailed go that's true i think you could make a connection there. That interesting and you know actually so what's interesting is in most contemporary astrological text, You'll read about Saturn in a very earthy, concrete way that it's about concretization and about form and density and weight. And it certainly is those things but if you look at any traditional text what you'll find is that Saturn consistently has significations for death by drowning

55:25 Or if it's like the ruler of the house of profession that you will work in a seaside profession, like gutting fish or whatever. But yeah, The Death by Drowning is there over and over again. That's really interesting I hadn't... I think that's actually not bad. I'm learning! Yeah, yeah, yeah Another thing about the mermaid or siren motif is, I don't know it's in some ways it's a very classical like. It almost it's the song of the people it just like you know company waves right

56:03 Obviously you don't drown your not learning to the waves and drowning if you're aware of you just start swimming right there's a luring there's a looring a person into a place where they don't have any power. And so i think one with one thing we could say is it is the formula for opiate in the people's But I don't know that I have any greater insight into it than that. I think it's interesting, and worth noting. Yeah! And I did want to talk more about Saturn moving from Sagittarius to Capricorn because it was one of the things in my preparation that I really dug into. It seems super important because Saturn rules Capricorn so its influence should be heightened

56:47 I guess these things happen in three-year periods, at least when Saturn moves from sign to sign. What do you think this looks like for the next three years? Because it also coincides right with that 200 year cycle of Jupiter and Saturn being conjuncts so this seems like a double stacking of change that would occur three years from now 2020 Yeah yeah it is when this is interesting this is the last time will have saturn in earth sign during the two hundred and twenty year to hundred to two hundred twenty year cycle you know it isn't a sense of doubling down on what we've been doing but its also going to serve as a retrospective

57:31 For a very complicated pair of centuries and this retrospective quality in when i see retrospective it's sort of retrospective while we're still doing. Right it's sort of like oh this is really really really not working Right is that's how on a collective level people generally don't adapt until the old pattern has become a total disaster right agree. And so this is me and it's interesting this is the count of this is closing out of a very long cycle, this is a cycle to begin with napoleon conquest same year for land empire right its their cycle

58:11 This is the beginning of the end, and to match it to Gordon's thinking in the way he phrases things like this is the apocalypse. Right? This is the end of a particular pattern So what's interesting is not only do we have that sort of framing but we also have the fact that pluto is in capricorn and so saturn and we have saturn and pluto getting ready for conjunction in capricorn. And so thats another like Pluto without getting too far into it, is very much old patterns things that need to go death and rebirth sorta thing brings back theming to whatever planet connects with

58:54 And so in a sense that's doubling down on the same thing, right? At the same like end of an era of fin de... how do you say it? Fin de secle. You know that end times sort of quality and then not this year not 2018 but in 2019 we're also going to have eclipses on top of Saturn and Pluto and in particular will be the dragon's tail side of the eclipse which is also about the past and processing poison and letting go of stuff. And so there's definitely a symbolic overload in that direction for the next couple years. Man, I guess I would ask you when people are looking at these configurations we're talking about

59:42 and looking at their own chart is there something that is universal listeners with all kinds of different charts could do to kind of measure the potency of certain things like if saturn is going into capricorn and it sounds like it might be a negative type of thing but you have saturn in capricorn in your own chart Does it affect you differently than other people absolutely absolutely one way to think about it is the configuration. Of the planets now like in the sky, is the weather right and then your chart is where u r right so if there's for example a hurricane in louisiana but i live in oregon then hurricane still occurred but its not

1:00:31 As big a deal to me as if i live in louisiana right same is it started raining gold coins from the sky because some of these are good things that's not all night rain, did you bring gold coins and chicago but i live in new york. Right answer on a very simple level if you have a transit like saturn and capricorn and u have your son in capri corn then thats targeting you directly you can encounter those themes in a very literal way Where is your son's in the water and let's see where go then that's not gonna be the same level of intensity you know there literally like five or six other filters. That i would use but i can't explain those i can teach those right now but are the very simplest thing as if u got a planet there

1:01:22 then expect to experience those themes very directly. Gotcha, so like the energy and the themes are somewhat consistent but the potency is going to relate to your chart? Exactly you'll be able to see it on the news but whether you see it in your life or just in the news is the difference Gotcha i was just curious because a person could interpret that to mean it would have a different meaning for me than everyone else but at least its a little bit simpler to understand if you can say the themes are static is just the.

1:01:58 Energetic effect i guess yeah well so for example so what you say your birthday march twenty fifth right so that means you have your son and the first decade of areas. And so saturn in capricorn will be in the first second of capricorn and so that's a ninety degree angle relationship to your son And so you know we would say okay so what is what does that gonna look like for greg this year well that's gonna be there's going to be a relatively heavy pressure to consolidate things to get things stable solid be more disciplined. Who kind of grow up with the sun with the way that you present yourself that's not a criticism by the way i'm just delineating but it like when we got a saturn transit, its cranky grandpa telling me to grow up and get your shit together right well you've got this show why aren't doing this with have you checked your foundations how could you make them more solid

1:02:57 And so generally people experience that as a period of more there's like more pressure it's grown up pressure again its cranky grandpa yelling at you for awhile and a lot of times i can be really positive. Right now is good to have to look at how your using your time whether u could work smarter and or harder right now etc etc Sometimes that's sad and pressure pushes us to update to where we actually are in life you know it's really easy to like. Say a person is in their early forties right but they can have an updated your program since they were thirty six, add another seven seven transits can lead you to wake up me hold on

1:03:41 I'm not my mid thirties anymore i mean my early forties and things are a little bit different. Maybe it's recognizing that i don't need to fight for recognition maybe i've actually established myself and so i can adjust where i actually am, that makes sense and this is great thing the kind of end on because with so many people listening with so many different configurations its hard too Talk about things in a blanket sense but if they know just those couple of things about how to relate it to their own chart. And i want to go and do that i think that's pretty helpful yeah i mean everybody is going to get pushed to grow up in different ways and in different areas of their life there, i think thats fine well you were not period where we're being led by adults who have our best interests at heart you know its sort of

1:04:37 Kind of feels like it's on us during this period you know as citizens of history. And you know as the sovereigns are our own lives to just take everything that we can in hand and do what weekend with a make make good, as far as we can i don't think salvation is coming from the sky or from the powers that be I don't think it ever does, but yet people fall into that trap time and time again. Wow! Well fascinating stuff man i loved it. I hope people appreciate the value in this complex as it can be. I think there is a reason the ancients followed the sky so much then when the real top-down control rolled out I guess that's when it was all stripped away so let's work to reclaim some of that knowledge you know?

1:05:22 Yeah, yeah and people talk about believing in astrology or not. Just learn to like look at what it says and to what degree it maps or does not map to reality right you can investigate something without believing in it. You know draw your own conclusions agreed well said Man good times austin if people got the astrology bug and i wanna get more from you what do they do. What thing go to my website it's just my name austin copy dot com and copy kiss your pp ock, i wrote a very extensive walkthrough of the astrology this year with big themes in broken down into quarters also road really long saturn capricorn piece if u wanna sit down and read through that

1:06:10 I do, do personal consultations. I'm booked out a ways so it's about four months right now and I teach classes. I should be announcing my 2018 class schedule here in the next week or so by the time February rolls around beautiful well thanks again man always insightful good stuff on the horizon take care of yourself and stay warm in this three year winter you too ma'am you to Boom goes the dynamite people, the higher side hat trick of synergistic shows. Austin Coppock did a great job but I really do just love how Chris Gordon and Austin all sort of interlace to make one long six-hour magical extravaganza

1:06:59 Because it does seem like much of what Gordon and Chris talked about is also reflected in what Austin sees in the stars. And I'm learning a lot more, I'm recognizing cycles a lot more... ...and the more often some of them are referenced the easier they are for me to get a flavor for But just in the time since recording this, Austin has sent me two news items about powerful people being slapped down by judgment. And it is an exciting proposition that this would be happening a lot over the next three years. Bring that on! But it might also destroy the country so I hope you're ready for that too. Lots of people have been talking about the decline of the American empire It's kind of a conspiracy motif probably goes back to before I was born but it seems to be heating up

1:07:45 And if that's what you might expect out of the next, say five years then we probably will see a lot of judgment and sacrificial lambs as everyone tries to lawyer up and deflect attention away from their own crimes. But between the ending of cycles we talked about today, recent news stories that date of 2044 that Chris keeps picking up references for and the dominant of wider inclusion dialogue with Gordon I think there's a lot to chew on in terms of looking at the rest of our lives. Or at least the next few decades. I think it was in The Plus Show when i read from Austin's blog about the Uranus-Neptune-Pluto synchronization in 2025, which supposedly really divides the energy of the next decade and Austin even said something to the effect that everything looks like it's going to get pretty sci fi in 2025

1:08:37 So I just like the overall cohesiveness of all this and that the rituals and agendas we see seem to be pointing out into the future a few years. The materialist science atheism paradigm is looking more like Swiss cheese, And it all just really jives with what i smell in the air Again, we're talking about the road to 2020 then a milestone in 2025 then up to that 2044-2045 transition. So we're not talking about anything overnight here But what will the world look like when we get there? How invasive will these agendas that were seen now be then obviously it's not crystal clear but you can almost picture the Bilderberg whiteboard presentation for how these timelines match the material right and

1:09:23 So I hope you guys enjoyed the flow of these three episodes back to back like i did. I actually recorded another one before Austin, but I switched the order at the last minute just because I like how nicely they paired... Like fine wine guys! But the next one is coming. It's a little more practical and down to earth, it's a deep dive into fascism with Shemangineer He wanted to take a break from that elemental series to give us a little historical and philosophical lesson about an ideology that definitely doesn't benefit us but also never seems to really go away And emerges in many different flavors Really interesting but a show that definitely stands apart for this month

1:10:04 But it's good to have something for the practical, that's what casting a wide net means. In terms of astrology I also wish we got more out of the solar eclipse or I wish that some drastic event was a better match for the intensity of the predictions and uniqueness of the eclipse situation itself but is possible there was a bait-and-switch king sacrifice type play made probably with Bannon but I don't fully see it Though I do like the overall idea that these energies are coming and you need to offer them something if you're in their way. That's the point of being knowledgeable, and the eclipse energy might still tie into something in our latest lunar eclipse cycle that is coming up we still have time to see something thats a better match but like Austin said presidents in this time period regardless of Trumps chart itself have faced difficulty very serious difficulties so

1:11:01 Be on the lookout. But kind of like what I was saying, it's also a really interesting idea to put yourself in difficult situations when the energy is going to be calling for it. I think there's a depth of magical understanding there that's a bit beyond the surface level and could also be thought about in the context of elite actions Still though if you see Mars and Saturn coming through prepare for it with difficult activities that will improve your life Why not start an exercise routine? That to me was the big lesson. That the energy's coming, and you can channel it and this would be a practical example of how I forgot what half it came out in but that's the nature of the THC game here sign up for plus because y'know your only hearing half the conversation! I do a pretty good job cutting them so that at the end of the first hour sounds natural and you don't even notice But their 60 minutes have added goodness And im only asking for $1 usually they've been a bit longer lately too

1:11:58 Just a bonus. In this Plus show we talked about things like which world events support the timeline management hypothesis, the rare triple sink of 2025 and what it might manifest, getting a better understanding of what Saturnian influence truly means? Also, what to expect from the US economy – the coming arrival of the two Maleficents And the big question of, you know if the elite see the astrological patterns on the horizon and work to manage them how can we do the same in our own lives? Then more details about the 2018 forecast. Austin's been doing a 2018 forecast all over the damn place so we both thought it'd be cooler to get into some more interesting and historical stuff and let the 2018 forecast kind of weave its way in and out

1:12:48 But yeah, some of the stuff I was just mentioning clearly was in the Plus show. So sign up for Plus or sign up for Patreon both get you access to longer shows and i'll see ya next time! Again big big thanks to Austin, I've done what I can... Your move planets literally your fuckin' Lucid dreams are so vivid, cause you go to bed at seven And your brain comes alive cause you hate your nine-to-five You wake up with a dread and make sure your cats are fed Did your brain talk to a ghost who moved your coffee and toast As you listen to the higher side chats

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