Topic: Diana Walsh Pasulka

Professor Diana Walsh Pasulka returns to discuss her latest book, Encounters, which serves as a follow-up to her 2019 work American Cosmic. The conversation introduces her research into non-human intelligences, the Vatican archives, and the "Invisible College" of scientists studying UFO phenomena. Pasulka reflects on the reception of her previous work and how her perspective as a religious studies scholar has evolved since the 2017 New York Times UFO expose.

Gordon White discusses the concept "Technology is Habitat," a theme developed with Diana Walsh Pasulka for a 2019 Guggenheim event. They explore the idea that technological complexity is guided by "thought beings" or "Watchers," as described in the Book of Enoch, who teach humanity skills like metallurgy and herb lore. The segment touches on the esoteric influences in the American and Soviet space programs and the UFO as a transcendental object.

Gordon White promotes his upcoming events, including a "Metaphysics of Desire" workshop with Langston Kahn and a talk on UFOs with Diana Walsh Pasulka at the Guggenheim in New York. Greg Carlwood thanks White for spending his birthday on the show and reflects on their shared journey from having day jobs to their current independent careers.