Michael Joseph | The Hidden Hand, Elite Bloodlines, Root Races, & Occult Religion

00:05 That's true, Dr. Seuss! Alright, Hiresite Chatters. To unlock the deepest levels of the elite's mindset, their desires, philosophy and secret religion it is not an easy thing to do. Sources are scattered sometimes contradictory and often contain both esoteric and esoteric meanings that add even more confusion to the mix

01:01 But it does seem like their deepest motivations revolve around goals like jailbreaking our construct, evolving man as they see fit and manifesting an ancient agenda passed down through long-lasting bloodlines and secret groups behind the curtain. That said, occasionally something claws out of the zeitgeist to grab the attention of those seeking these very answers. And one such instance was what's known as The Hidden Hand Dialogue where in 2008 a self-described member of The Ruling Class appendage of The Lucifer Soul Group and associate of an ancient order anonymously arrived at the above top secret forum and offered to have an open and honest Q&A as part of a task he was given by his masters

01:39 What resulted was a near book-length back and forth that spanned over five sessions, and introduced some perspectives I've had rattling around upstairs ever since I first heard them almost a decade ago. Well folks you might remember our Higher Side Chats episode from earlier in the year with elite belief system decoder extraordinaire Michael Joseph where we explored this secret religion of the elite and its influence in society through the lens of Michaels Occult Science series on his YouTube channel Schism206 Since that time he's added roughly 20 more hours of content to the series which is now considered complete at 91 videos spanning 30 chapters. It's one hell of a watch and I brought him back to talk about some of these conclusions and see how they compare to that early staple of internet conspiracy lore, the hidden hand dialogue So let's do the damn thing Michael my man welcome back to The Higher Side

02:30 Thanks Greg good to be here. Yeah man this is gonna be great I'm really psyched, i really liked the last one and of course I wanted have you back and so when I was trying to think up creative ways to cover these themes again we talked about focusing a show on that hidden hand stuff because some of it resonates with the research you've done and I just thought would be different because they don't get to cover lot of things that don't come from someone's latest book But looking back at it, it doesn't seem quite as credible as it did at the time. Though it is still intriguing material to compare and contrast what you've researched elsewhere and I guess to get us in the mindset to really lay the base remind people about your research and how you've gone about trying to untangle this esoteric web? Sure well The fundamental sources for the whole Occult Science series that have done

03:24 is basically looking at authors like H.P. Blavatsky and Albert Pike as more of the primary sources, but as the series went on I definitely used Blavatsky because within Secret Doctrine and Isis Unveiled there's a couple thousand pages and there was a lot of stuff there. And then more peripherally or secondary just kind of utilizing writings of Manly Palmer Hall, Eliphas Levy, and Alistair Crowley Again, the whole reason for that is because the United Nations is more or less openly following Blavatsky. I mean it's still kind of hidden not a lot of people know about it but through The Lucius Trust organization and on their website which is part of their non-profit that's like their spiritual foundation so its pretty much based on theosophy

04:16 And of course, we talked about last time the US government and its connections to Scottish Rite Freemasonry and NASA. And then of course everyone knows about Crowley in the influence in the entertainment industry. Then I kind of throw the Vatican in with that because there's guilt by association where they intermingle with all those groups in one way or another. That's kind of where I draw my understanding of occultism now if people out there think that you know, that's not what a cult is about or whatever. It doesn't really bother me the point being is that you know, a lot of the groups that people would generally target as part of the NWO this seems to be what they're saying that they're following so That's where I'm coming from. I feel like that's The best insight that us profane folks can get into their world and You know as I've gone through it, it's just amazing to me how much

05:16 I see that has some pretty profound connections and not to be too long winded but when i first started the cult science it was really gonna only be like. six seven eight videos And then all of a sudden it just spiraled into this whole other thing and now it's finally done, and I'm glad but there's a lot there So that's where I'm at with it There is man in the depth that you've gone into on some of these little sagas and stories It's just really really impressive. You mentioned the Lucius Trust I had another couple of guests who mentioned them in passing recently but Maybe you could tell us a little more about them and their influence in culture and where we see it, because of course there's think tanks like Bilderberg Council on Foreign Relations Trilateral Commission. We hear about them. We hear about Skull & Bones who here about Freemasonry but we don't hear quite as much about the Lucius Trust. But why are they important?

06:10 Well, there's not a ton of information about them other than their website. But early in the series and we might have talked about this last time the Rockefellers laid the foundations for the United Nations and the Lucious Trust was located at their plaza for awhile I believe they switched locations or something but it is interesting that you can see so much of the symbolism in the UN logos with the Twin Towers and their Prometheus statue, Atlas statue. Right? You know all of these things are important concepts in Theosophy so when you go to their website, the Lucius Trust website there's a lot of stuff about bringing in the age of Aquarius and Christ consciousness that is a fact according to them that can be indwelling in people So it really

07:05 The well that they're drawing from is esoteric philosophy, Gnostic Eastern religions things of that nature. So if that is driving the United Nations spiritually The United Nations is they have their hands in everything and so I went through the series It's pretty crazy how influential they are on a lot of stuff. So You know, it's all there on their website I'd advise anybody to go check it out and my series also Everything is sourced And any of the videos as a link below that says this is the references link you just go there? It's a little drop box but in there There's a PDF file with the references you click on that and

07:44 Everything is all laid out and you can click on any of the links to go to anything So there's a ton of information in the references. So I just want to make sure that everyone knows that everything I'm saying has a source Of course, of course yeah so I mean You can just see the occult influence when you look at their mission statements and their website And that kind of thing It's quite telling, especially when you know the source material like the Blavatsky-Albert Pike stuff that you've read through so intensely. And so when it comes to the aspects of what this hidden hand guy had said that are interesting probably the main thing is this claim that his bloodline isn't an earthly bloodline someone asked him about the Rothschilds and he said they're just the foot soldiers on the lower level of the big pyramid compared to where he's at

08:32 But regardless of the validity of his individual claim, what has your research shown regarding elite bloodlines and their origins and the possibility of some non-human sources in there? Yeah. This is tricky because when I read Theosophy and Freemasonry like Morals & Dogma it's weird because there are a lot of institutions that are When we think about the New World Order and all this stuff, we think about like oh the government and you know the religious institutions and politics and stuff like that. And it's very strange because when you read a lot of this literature, you find that a lot of the enemies that The Truthers target

09:24 are actually enemies of Freemasonry and Theosophy. And that's something that's really hard for me to reconcile, outside of just some basic theological constructs but for example I think we did talk about this a little bit last time but Albert Pike kind of shits on monarchy and politics and even democratic or republic politics. And I think it's in the like, the third chapter of morals and dogma is called The Master. I think he lays out a lot of his disdain for politicians and governments and things like that. And also they don't seem to like the Jesuits very much which is interesting to me because that's a big target in a lot of the conspiracy circles. And Blavatsky definitely has you know a lot

10:10 Well, I guess anti-Abrahamic religion but specifically targeting a lot of Judaism. So this is really where you have to get into the esoteric versus exoteric because anybody can say oh it's the Jews or oh it's the Jesuits and what does that mean? And to me there's an esoteric and exoteric layer to all these things every single religion has it And so to me, what really binds them is the esoteric religion. So it doesn't matter if they say I'm an atheist because Blavatsky's always complaining about how people mistake all of these Eastern traditions for being atheistic. So again this is the veil that they use to disguise these secrets from the profane and we can talk a bit more about you know the veil of ISIS and what that entails as far as I understand it.

11:00 I can't remember exactly original question was i can open a tangent just bloodlines yeah okay so anyways the bloodline thing this is interesting you know if they don't like monarchy. To me that's being demeaning towards an earthly blood line if you will so i think what they look at, As a bloodline at least from the hand perspective that would align with stuff that i looked at is more of the consciousness what they call you know the adapt to one has been illuminated or is in no. What do u want to call them i think it's more, the idea that they have a consciousness that alien other worldly and not this earthly realm and that is why they have

11:42 So much symbolism and doctrine casting you know the lower material world as profane and that's all of the square right so it is interesting how when they say bloodline in the hidden hand. it seems like it's being more utilized in a spiritual sense. And I guess before we get too much further into this, I'll just talk a little bit about the hidden hand and what I kind of get from it. You know there is definitely some times where I'm like okay this sounds very hoaxy to me you know the failed predictions of some ridiculous statements and stuff like that but right I guess to me the value in discussing here is there is quite a bit that does align

12:23 With what I've been through and so regardless if that is a hoax or not, I think it still has value. And it's similar to me in the vein of the protocols, the elders design on or the Albert Pike World War 3 letter are those hoaxes are not but there is some strange. parallel to a lot of things going on when you read through those things, especially the protocols of Zion. When I read through that... That was creepy man! Have you ever read that whole thing? Not in its entirety. I've read enough quotes to see that disturbing eerie coincidence that you're talking about Yeah, so I chalk it up to being along the lines of that where there's definitely things noteworthy of discussing but the actual source could be a hoax and probably is. That's what I get from it but I don't know what your take on it is?

13:15 I mean, yeah. I'm pretty much in agreement with you but it's those elements that do seem to have some merit that i wanted to dig into a little bit more but on the subject of or the possibility of them having a non-human source and there when you really get into the details of some of the work that you've done around the layers of symbolism and astrological meaning behind major seemingly orchestrated events like the JFK assassination or the Apollo missions Too layered and too detailed for human hands on most that it almost has to have some cosmic puppet master influence because some of these events unfold as if someone is painting a picture with reality in symbols I'm absolutely there with you once. They start looking at all this stuff I'm just like there's no way that this could all be done by just humans, you know Just wanting power and stuff like that There's just way too much stuff going on And to me again It's this

14:11 esoteric religion that binds them. And to me, there's something to be said that When you have a certain mindset or worldview, you're sharing a similar consciousness. You know what I mean? There might be some things here and there that differ right? You know, I kind of look at it like my relationship to whatever you want call the truth through world where it's like yeah There's a lot of things that go on in it that I'm not really huge fan of but I'm still part of that general mass Consciousness that something is wrong and we're not being told things that are true. And I think that we all, for the most part can kind of agree that what is manipulating these things is not very good although I have had some strange reactions to the occult science series where people say they think they actually agree with the elites based on my series so... I've had so many different reactions it's really crazy It's interesting and hey! That was my whole point Hey if that's what you want to think then that's what you want to think You know? I don't wanna try to convince anybody about anything Right. You do a great job trying

15:11 be impartial and that's fairly unique in this realm. And in terms of their motivations for what the elite do, The Hidden Hand says a lot of things that sync up with some Gnostic perspectives. For example he says Yahweh due to the fact that He had not handed down His own free will to know thyself to those incarnating upon his planet it was having very little evolutionary progress therein so we, The Lucifer Group were sent to help. Once the order was given from the Council of Elders we quote fell or descended back to a place where we could, with hard work and focus once again materialize a third density manifestation of ourself and in the absence of free will upon the planet

15:54 can be no polarity and therefore nothing to choose between. Just as it is portrayed in the book of Genesis with the Garden of Eden, sure it was a lovely paradise but these beings incarnating there had no aggregator towards evolving beyond third density and therefore little hope of ever making their journey home to The One. Yahweh has been happy to keep his own little pet eden project in effect but with little chance of the souls here making it home, it had become in effect a prison. Albeit a very beautiful prison, Yahweh was running a benign dictatorship." And that's really interesting! Of course that's something I got from Gnosticism generally—of course a lot of things are considered Gnosticism there's many different perspectives there—but that one is kind of one of the core things that unites that corpus and material. But what are your thoughts on

16:42 this justification for the elite's injection of negativity and struggle on the planet. You think it holds any water? Well, let's just say that I'm not a huge fan of that philosophy—not just what you just stated there with the hidden hands perspective—but it is very parallel to a lot of what Blavatsky talks about in specific ways so One figure I talk about a lot is Prometheus, and Blavatsky has a lot to say on Prometheus. And I've read through this chapter so much that I can remember it—I should tell people to go check out Anthropogenesis Vol 2 pages 409-422. That is really kind of like the crux of a lot

17:28 The series and sort of what i'm applying to is the elites take on the figure of prometheus and this is similar to what you just read from the hidden hand where it's this idea that humanity was in this. basic state of ignorance and Kind of like a blissful ignorance, I guess right and the whole point of Prometheus stealing the creative fire From the Elohim or the gods or whatever? Or the Olympic Zeus the tyrant Zeus as she would call him. And that's the Demiurge Zeus right at the exoteric one so that's essentially you know, the Yahweh or Jehovah figure and that giving this to man is

18:13 basically infused him with a divine intellect, but he's in this profane body. And so this is what causes all of the suffering and this starts the cycle of necessity or karma or whatever and This is for the purpose of evolution and that talking about like the idea of Saturn where you know people will associate Saturn was sort of the demiurge or whatever in the negative sense But in the esoteric sense, Saturn is simply this equilibrator. So the function, the proper function of this kind of demiurge figure that is blessing and cursing or whatever... She basically talks about how the esoteric version of Shiva

18:59 That is the primordial archetype of Jehovah, and that the Bible kind of anthropomorphized it and bastardized it and just made it the highest God where that was just this active male force. And part of that is the creative force and how it manifests. It basically breaks things down and rebirths them in a more spiritual form over time, and that is part of this process of moving towards equilibrium. Everything needs to be equilibrated all these polarities need to be equilibrated and then that is what is their essence of deity Basically, there is no good or evil. No light or dark it's just this unity and that's their idea of God and so we are going through this cycle of Ascending back up to that something along those lines And that was the function of Shiva and so that's pretty interesting how that's a big figure in CERN and I pretty much associate Shiva to the functions of Pluto in astrology

19:59 Kind of breaking down structures and rebirthing them and what not instead the active force and that's kind of. what she talks about in that chapter. And then there's so much in that chapter, I don't want to go off on some huge tangent on it but I definitely recommend some people if you're going to get one of Blavatsky book, I think anthropogenesis volume two is one of the better ones If you want to get into like a lot of the mythology and what that means in terms of their viewpoints on human consciousness right? Yeah, that Prometheus-Lucifer archetype. The great gift giver to man motif that is popular with these particular figures Something else that's been coming up with the other guests recently Is that when you look at some of these symbols That seem to represent Lucifer or Prometheus and you look deeper They actually seem to represent Mithras in some weird way Like the statue at Rockefeller Center would be one example

21:00 And I'm curious if you kind of see that or if you see Mithras as representing something else and maybe this is the esoteric, esoteric idea of what they're presenting publicly but do you see a different meaning to that stuff? Or do you see it alluding to Mithra somehow in that conveying a different meaning. Yeah, Mithras is interesting because I have read some explanations on it. I think from Manly Palmer Hall and I wasn't really fully satisfied with it so...I kind of draw some of my own understanding but also Blavatsky talks about he's the ruler of the solar year and this is kinda what the occultists do they view everything as a whole or as one And so in a year you have

21:42 spring, summer fall winter. And you know us profane people would think of them as separate or something like that and so this is kind of the idea of Osiris and Seth or something like that. You know Osiris represents the spring in the summer and the productivity of this active male force and then Seth represents The dark half of it and murdering that and then that's basically the fall starts in the fall right? So the fall into generation or into darkness and then being reborn out of that, that's sort of like this wisdom that is taught. And so Mithras encompasses the solar year—that's what Blavatsky was talking about related to Abraxas—and all of this is unified through what they call the central or spiritual sun and this is something that The Hidden Hand talked about, the central sun

22:33 That's the esoteric Sun. So that's this androgynous pure spirit And then the exoteric is like the lower egoic, you know demiurge God who is in duality right? The idea is that this split polarity of Summer and winter or whatever it all came from the same unity and so our current world is is unequilibrated as she calls it and that is kind of the goal of the adepts through alchemy is you know, the staff of Hermes with the serpent separate and then they synthesize again and separate. And you keep doing that process all the way up to perfection or whatever. You utilize this active force so that's why that staff is phallic or whatever. So this is the generative force that is the fire Prometheus essentially. To me Mithras is kind of like encompassing both where it could be representing this spiritual solar savior or sun

23:31 that slays the bull and if you want to utilize the bull as an allegory for like the lower nature of man or of the square, the base desires and whatnot because those are generally negative characteristics of the sign of Taurus. And so this is the idea that You're slaying your lower nature That's in duality and you're ascending to your higher nature that's like one of the meanings that I think can be derived from it and then There's like a little serpent coming out of the ground. There's a scorpion, like biting the testicles of the bull and stuff like that. So that's like the fertility symbolism where they view sexual generation in terms of like the sex is separated right polarities as sort of of the lower nature so male and female separated

24:17 kind of like this bad thing and this is what Scorpio was about it's the sign of sexual generation so Scorpio is opposite Taurus on the zodiac and so he called us look at these polarities on the zodiac as being very intrinsically related to each other. So, to me Mithras slaying the bull is like the Sun either coming into the constellation of Scorpio or Taurus because the opposite end of the zodiac they view as like the spiritual sun. So if the Sun is in Scorpio, then the spiritual Sun or the heliocentric Sun—this is what Manly Palmer Hall talked about a bit—would be in Taurus so I think that they kind of play with these polarities and Mithras seems to be a hieroglyph that kind of encompasses all of these motifs in whichever way you want to take it

25:06 you know, apply it to the situation that makes sense. But that's kind of where I'm at with it and again, I'm using some of my own understanding into that but that's where I'm at right on so I mean at least At least it seems like the archetypes of Lucifer Prometheus Mithras they are thematically aligned either way right? It's teaching divine wisdom. It's an initiation thing It's just understanding the true nature of good and evil according to them, whereas it doesn't really exist. It's polarity split in this world and in the higher heavenly realms that's the pure spirit of Lucifer. It's an androgynous essence that transcends the material world. That was going to be another one of the things I was going to ask you about because

25:52 Another foundational element to your research and the Hidden Hand material is the classic knowledge of good and evil, tree of life story. And then you have the perspective on what that means for the occultists. What do you think it's important to understand about this at a deeper level? That particular story and their esoteric meaning of it? Sure! The knowledge of good and evil, I kind of focused on this a bit in the latter part of the series. And in terms of The Hidden Hand it was pretty much directly in line with the philosophy so The Hidden Hand was talking about how you know the knowledge of good and evil is just knowledge of polarities and that is the knowledge that was given to mankind now what The Hidden Hand doesn't tell you

26:49 Again, this is just the true nature of good and evil. And I did a bunch of videos on like the Garden of Eden and what Blavatsky says that that originated from. And I think she mentioned like 12 different things that it could mean. And it got a little ridiculous but basically The story of The Garden of Eden according to Blavatsky, the coats of skin that Adam and Eve are clothed with she says comes from some initiation ritual where if you understand the knowledge of good and evil, you've got these skins when you're initiated into these societies. So they're saying that that understanding got mixed in to the Hebrew Genesis which she says all this stuff comes from Eastern religion so all the knowledge of good and evil as they view it just comes from the Eastern traditions

27:43 Now, again I haven't read the Vedas and stuff like that so i don't know what they actually say because when Blavatsky goes through and says oh this passage in the bible means this and that esoterically. I've read enough of the bible to be like you know sometimes that makes sense to me and sometimes i'm like i don't know where she's getting that from it seems like they're just kind of pulling something out their ass to make it fit So I don't know if they do that with the Eastern traditions too. So, i'm not saying that this is what the Eastern traditions teach but this is kind of what they say it teaches or they say it's the esoteric meaning of it so essentially that's like the primordial spirituality according to these occultists that it all comes from there and that if you understand that nature of good and evil

28:27 That essentially is this knowledge of good and evil, and that there is still wisdom in the split duality of it. And that's the point of the Old Testament God and their viewpoint—you know, Jehovah blessing and cursing being what they call bipolar. You know? Oh I'm angry at Israel! I'm gonna punish them! Oh now I bless them! That kind of thing... They say there's still wisdom in that but you need the esoteric books of the Kabbalah, you know, Sefer Yitzrah, and I forget the other one You need those to unlock the Bible in its 66 books. So that's what gives you the true understanding of the nature of good and evil, so it's just what the adepts know as esoteric wisdom and that the profane people think that evil is some separate entity And you know the anthropomorphized devil That's like the enemy if you anthropomorphize God or the devil and you think it's something external than you

29:25 That is essentially what they view as a profane and flawed philosophy. And they think that's part of all the problems of the world, is that people don't understand these esoteric concepts. If we're going to worship dualistic gods then that is going to be our own dualistic consciousness coming out. There is something to that but I think there are other things that go along with it they kind of help that crazy come into the world if you know what I mean. Yeah man and i wanted to of course ask you a little bit about Lucifer and then talk about that knowledge of good and evil story, how to interpret it because in the big picture it is hard to know if we live in the playpen of a tyrant or this has just been hijacked by arrogant underminers

30:16 of some kind of Yahweh entity or both. But one parallel that you did draw to what's actually going on in the world is the CRISPR gene manipulation technology and how it's being peddled as something that might be the answer to all our medical prayers, in fact You're also hearing the philosophy being promoted that once the gene-altering technology is perfected, it would actually be a moral obligation to alter or quote, perfect the genes of all the unborn. Or we'd be doing them a disservice and that is a creepy philosophy to be promoting and

30:51 Mythologically speaking, it's effectively the same catalyst for casting down the fallen angels messing with the genes of man through either sex or science. But what does it matter which method? That is kind of what they did but I found that to be a pretty interesting parallel man Yeah, well to kind of set the stage for that. The Lucius Trust website talks about the sons of God which is basically the Genesis 6 Sons Of God which in the Orthodox are very naughty These are the Watcher Angels and Enoch those are the good guys in esoteric philosophy

31:30 Those are the ones that give us this divine wisdom or this knowledge of polarities and this leads to technology So there is a technological component to this. And so what you were talking about before with like the CRISPR stuff It is weird how they said that This could lead to moral issues where it would be inhumane not to modify Human beings or even animals right? And this is interesting because in the Orthodox side of the story the Watcher angels or messing with human genetics, however you said either by physically attaching themselves I guess through sexual intercourse or something else. Now again this is a mythology so i like to be a little bit more liberal about the orthodox side and view it like the occultists do where it's an allegory for human consciousness because

32:24 Sometimes I think a lot of the literalism is the weapon to take us away from, I think things that have value at least in the orthodox viewpoint. But if you view them like the occultists do as more modes of our human experience, I think that some very interesting things come up so back to what you were saying this is kind of the crux of transhumanism and The idea of avatars and how that relates to a lot of the stuff that I went over in Blavatsky's philosophy and how essentially these sons of God or the Kumaras of Shiva, you know they're helping evolve mankind. And that is the crux of all this transhumanist stuff Oh it's all evolution we're just evolving! And then an interesting thing is this is evolving beyond all the polarities right? Male female any division of race or nation or things like that

33:17 It's kind of like being all unified into one and you can be this android, right? Androgynous created body. And this consciousness can be indwelling in it and that's part of the goal it seems in a lot of the literature that I went through Not really outwardly, they don't ever say like we're going to make a human body out of technology and blend spirit with matter. They don't say that but the philosophy is there to support that and so yeah all that stuff you know it is weird to me and I don't know how much of that

33:56 reality and they can actually do these things or they just Maybe they're being all new agey about it. No if we just imagine these things They'll happen and they think that they can create their own reality, but maybe They can't to a certain degree I don't know there's a lot of stuff that goes with that It's very strange as To what their actual level of technology is with all this stuff But they seem to have very high hopes and aspirations for it If you watch any of the transhumanist stuff Right, and it is just eerie how overall a lot of mythology and religion describes that cycle of man claws up only to be stricken back down. And at the same time, a lot of people have the feeling that things are sort of coming to ahead technologically economically politically. And it does make one wonder if we're nearing some reset of the cycle

34:49 Well, we could get into the root race cycles if you want because that's a good segue. Absolutely let's do it! Sure this is something that I had heard about with Blavatsky root race cycles it just something I kind of knew about in passing but once I started reading about it I think there are some very revealing things in it and this does relate to The Hidden Hand in terms of you know, that guy's or girl I don't know just call him a guy but his self-proclamation that they've been steering humanity through evolutionary cycles over millennia right. This would relate to Blavatsky's concept of root race cycles and i just encourage anyone out there to just google Blavatsky root race cycle and look up images and they'll show you the diagram and what I'm explaining now you'll be able to see a visual representation of it but

35:40 This is very profound parallels to cosmology it starts with a single point that's like the creation of the primordial man as they call it. And this is an androgynous spiritual man that is the Adam-Kadmon, as they call it. And what happens is this idea of this cosmic egg—we talked about this a little bit last time with The Big Bang Theory and George Lemaître's theory of the cosmic egg and primordial matter—now this is directly tied to Kabbalistic doctrine. It's this idea that Brahma

36:17 is not the highest God, but is the original prototype of I guess what Jehovah should be to the occultists. Whereas the orthodox viewpoint of Jehovah is just a bastardization of this father god Now this is what creates but it's not the highest god The highest god is just his essence It's like Ein Einself at the top of the tree of life It's outside of the creation And some ray from this essence, it's kind of abstract like hops into this cosmic egg and burst it. And that is a single point of light in which the infinite deity manifested and its kinda like the idea of the infinite expanding universe right? Everything was condensed to a single point

37:05 and then let there be light, right? And so it's very parallel with the Big Bang. Now some people have talked about the Big Bang as it wasn't a single point but a lot of the theory as far as I've read does suggest a single point. So there is some debate on this but there's enough of it that is out there in the mainstream that very much parallels this Kabbalistic story of creation and so basically at this single point humanity is spiritual, the creation is spiritual and it descends down this arc and goes down into more material nature. And Blavatsky puts a point blank that their theosophy, their viewpoint is panspermic meaning life on earth evolved from whatever star stuff you know like we're told in science right?

37:54 And so it starts out as this androgynous spiritual essence, and then in Genesis she says that in the Kabbalah of Genesis this evolution is taught. And its Darwinian in the sense that It's this natural selection, but she saying that the materialism of Darwin has it wrong. And that's where the profane have it wrong where man didn't come from apes and that's where it started. This spiritual essence came down and evolve through all of these different cycles from dust and stones and plants and trees into animals. And its split in a sex is into sexual reproduction. And that's the animal nature. That's the lower nature

38:36 Then from the lowest point of this gross materialism she calls it that's when man starts evolving back up So that's kind of where the Darwin picks up and she's saying he misses the spiritual component Of it or at least people who are the materialists of that viewpoint miss the spiritual component now Whatever Darwin thought about all this if you was into this esoteric stuff, I don't know But yeah, this root race cycle goes down and then comes up. And apparently at this point—at least in her writings which are supposedly in the 1800's, late 1800's—we're sort of approaching this sixth root race which is kind of a big deal because this goes above the original point of creation on this root race cycle

39:21 And fast forward to a couple hundred years, if we're approaching this then this would be like a really important time for occultists. And she says that the initiates or the adepts they only have the knowledge of these root race cycles it's not for the profane and so they're guiding humanity through this with all of this you know secret wisdom behind the scenes at least according to her and it seems pretty in line with The Hidden Hand And so this is why I think it's so strange a lot of this stuff is coming mainstream, especially with this transhumanist stuff. They're always talking oh humanity is going to a new era you know we could go to an old dark age right and I know you've been talking a lot about the dark ages and if that was even real or not all right with the Fomenko stuff but they always use that thousand years of darkness as we can't go back to that and now we got to evolve and so if in their mind

40:15 we're coming back from the separation of sexes, you know. Male and female I'm a man i have to have a woman to have sex with to reproduce that's of the lower animal nature and so as you move up you go to bisexuality and then you go to androgyny and so this seems to be very relevant to a lot of the transgender stuff going on and i know that's a sensitive topic but i point out that a lot of this activism surrounding it seems to be this esoteric allegory for the concept of the spirit of Lucifer, this androgynous essence. Now I don't care what anybody wants to do with their lifestyle or whatever but if you're being used in an alternative agenda i think maybe you'd want to know about that so that's why i'm questioning what's going on with all this activism around it but... That's the crux of The Root Race Cycle and they always talk about how

41:06 an old cycle needs to die, and that people who are stuck in that way are going to fight and resist it. And so this is very interesting because a lot of that is going on with this idea of the mass immigration And you know, all the stuff with Brexit and all that way. You know whatever your opinion on that I'm not trying to debate this but i'm just saying that is a theme thats going on and I wonder if this decline of the West or killing of Western civilization as part of their concept of this root race cycle it has to fall because that seems very relevant to alot of things going on

41:41 Yeah, it gets a little confusing but it is really fascinating and it's pretty deep. She gives pretty provocative names to these various root races I mean she calls the second one Hyperborean The third one Lumerian The fourth one Atlantean The fifth one Aryan And you know there are a lot of people who try to look back into antiquity and they consider these almost prior civilizations Atlantis, Lumeria, Hyperborea...and perhaps they were That is one thing that she doesn't seem to allegorize. She seems to indicate that Atlantis was this real thing now, there's a lot of reading in those books and I haven't gone through everything so i actually have to read a bit more on that. That's like one thing that I've kind of been waiting on but that is involved with the hidden hand saying yes atlantis was perfectly real and you know there obviously seems to be something very profound with that

42:40 there was this hubris surrounding the Atlanteans, where it seems like they were kind of this idea of the Olympic Zeus. It's kinda like Jupiter in astrology in a negative sense where can be self-indulgent and egoic and lazy, basically have everything handed to it and be destructive in that sense, like a big fat lazy king something like that. And so I think In some weird way, the Western world to them is it's almost like they're paralleling that. Now I don't know how much that happens organically or if they're part of this root race cycle and they believe that these things repeat have they had a hidden hand in trying to make the Western world like that? And that's where it gets kind of crazy. Right. Oh sorry go ahead. No you go ahead. I'm here all the time.

43:32 Yeah, so this is why you have bloodlines like the Rockefellers and Rothschilds and all of the ones that you would deem as even like the Bush family and stuff. They fit this archetype of this oppressive Zeus I guess more like the Bush regime with oil imperialism and stuff like that. And that gets into this idea are they playing a role as this bad guy But they're working in tandem with the united nations which would seem to be like the antithesis of that where they want all this globalism and redistribution of wealth and stuff like that. And this is in line with a cultism because they view these polarities as coming from the same source, and this is in line with the hidden hand

44:16 And so I'm just wondering if they create a straw man bad guy for us in a way that we can all point our fingers at these specific bloodlines, which the hidden hand is calling earthly or lower blood lines. And we know that the occultists think anything of the earthly nature is profane but are those guys playing a role and they're just best buds with the other side of that? You know what I mean? So this idea of the Olympians oppressing the Titans and Prometheus as a Titan And this is very relevant to the political system that we have, where the Republicans are like the demiurge Zeus these oppressive phallic force right? The patriarchy. And then the liberal side is like the Titans who are oppressed they have this divine intellect of love and humanity and giving and nurturing. And you know, this is a side that wants to evolve gender and things like that

45:13 And so it's almost like they set up these two pillars that they control both sides, but it's based on this mythology. And it's really strange and there's so much going on right now with the Trump thing and I don't want to get too long winded on this but I'll just throw this out there really quickly. Have you looked at the Economist Trump tarot cards that were released in the end of last year? Yes! But tell us about the details there that you found most interesting because that is pretty awesome Yeah, it seems like they're portraying Trump as the Demiurge basically Yael Debaoth and Gnosticism this lion serpent. And if you look at the judgment card they placed him with an emperor card motif where the Emperor if it's a tyrant Emperor that's like the Olympic Zeus. And what is Trump's MO that people look at him he's like this

46:01 you know, capitalist. He likes beautiful women indulging in finer things these are all these attributes of a sensual lustful God like the Zeus that gets around and you know gets laid all the time that exoteric version And then he's always been portrayed as like this lions main, you know what I mean? His head is like they'll have all these memes online of his lion face. He's got a man alright yeah exactly and so that's the head of Yaldabaoth and then the serpent is the body and They have him in black in a black suit indicating like Saturnian colors self-devouring the lower serpent

46:39 And they have them on an American flag, which is shaped like a serpent on the world. So it's kind of like the tyrant holding the humanity globe in bondage to its profane lower nature and all this symbolism is Saturnian things like that. This is what I find so interesting that the occultists view this profane dualistic nature as still wisdom And this is what Blavatsky says where Gnostics who just think Yaldabaoth is this evil thing and want nothing to do with it, they're kind of profaning the mysteries where there's actually wisdom in this so-called evil or this lower nature. But you just have to understand the true nature of good and evil as its unity. So to be able to utilize an alchemy...and the last point I'll make—I know this is getting long winded but

47:27 If you look at Trump's tower out front, they have black and gold in a clock kind of like Saturn Father Time. They have all this alchemical Saturnian symbolism of the letter gold and they had that with 9-11 with the Mecca Kabbah where they have the black cube with the gold around it. And I think they utilize this black and gold motif for alchemy and they push something into a profane Saturnian self devouring motif And then they unify the opposites from that so that's what happened with 911 we have the imperialist West demi-urge Zeus and then we have the creation of these terrorists or you know the US always funding all these terrorist groups behind the scenes net comes back to devour the west.

48:11 You have this devouring nature of Saturn, but then the occultists utilize that and they unified the pillars of the Twin Towers into a one world trade center. And so I wonder if they have something up their sleeve with that for Trump because a lot of that alchemical symbolism is there? Yeah man it is definitely deep and interesting stuff and I'm kind of curious because so much your stuff is about mythology and astrology I've had an astrologer in the past come on and talk about how this great American eclipse coming is going to be very significant, and interacts with Trump's natal chart in significant ways. But given what you've looked at in astrology do you have any thoughts or expectations in regards to the Great American Eclipse coming up? Or what it could represent? How it could be used?

49:01 Yeah, I'm not good with eclipses and moon cycles and stuff like that. I have actually been studying it a lot more but what i think is interesting is this Pluto Saturn conjunction coming up in like 2020 or something like that? And the opposition was 9-11 that was Pluto opposite Saturn and so now it's conjunct so you know, you had the opposition or the polarity and now it's unifying. And so I don't like to predict things right? Right. I'm not really in that realm but obviously a lot of this stuff has profound meaning to elites but i also think that if it's out there and people are talking about it a lot I often think that sometimes that stuff

49:47 They give a version of it for us to kind of metal with now whether people are researching and organically coming up with stuff that's different but like you know the whole September 23rd thing. A few years ago there was much ado about that turned out to be nothing 2012 what should do about that turn out to me nothing in terms of how we're all portrayed but to me I think they view things are happening, I think that they probably have a different understanding of it and so you know again this is kind of like their philosophy they give the masses a lot of grandiose. Overly exaggerated stories and stuff and i think that's what they think is the part of this veil to hide the mysteries,

50:27 where unfortunately for some people who might be more into some of that stuff, a lot of this occultism I've been reading is it's very not magical in the way that most people would think. Blavatsky says you know channeling and using people as mediums and stuff that's all profane in that like any phenomena can be explained through natural laws and things like that and it's very non-magical in that sense so it's very interesting how there's a lot of weird things In terms of the Eclipse stuff, I just don't know enough about it but... Work, and I think that when stuff dramatic happens. It's it's more out of the blue but who knows fair enough And I cannot argue that there There is a long history of conspiracy enthusiasts getting worked up about a particular date or something and then nothing happening But um I don't know we'll see the Eclipse is coming very soon so well know if it's significant or not yeah sure but

51:27 Towards the end of your series you make some great points about solutions or at least ways to cope with this type of stuff. You mention the importance of personal connections so that we can actually see people as human beings and maybe try to see their perspectives, but I also like the parts where you talk about this theme of the elites pushing the envelope in terms of playing God and testing the limits in that dangerous Luciferian way, and then maybe we should focus on perfecting the situation within our limits before we try to exceed them. Something seems to be driving us ahead when we haven't even solved the basic problems of the human condition but of course we can only do so much if we're not going to take control of the ship. Yeah and you know that's something that's tough because I don't really have a lot of great solutions it's really tough looking at all this stuff and you're like oh my god it's just so ingrained but

52:18 If you look at the theology as far as I've understood it and read it, their version of God seems to be this idea of something that's impersonal. And everything that is profane to them is this concept of a personal creator god—and again, I don't mean this in a way that we're accustomed to understanding that and the exoteric religion—we've been given a version of that but Maybe there is something going on around us that has some personal outer influence that is tailored to our individual situation and it was just something that i've had events happen in my life that have seemed very personally tailored to me some of them have been not so great but.

53:01 Some of my maybe kind of deserve because I was being an asshole, you know It's sort of this karmic thing but it's very strange because sometimes I see these things like well that person did that and this didn't happen to them But I immediately got that blowback You know And so This is kind of why I have a sort of an affinity with some ideas of astrology That really allow me to be a lot more sympathetic other people's personal situations. That are I'm not really in control of some all encompassing judgment on somebody else. Now, I can look at their actions and be like okay i'm not a fan of that or you know I like that. I do understand this and that about them so I understand kind of more why they're like that and I think that the more you understand somebody's background or perspective...I think the more you can actually help them and actually tolerate them in moments where you might want to just run out the door. And I think that that's something I separate from a lot of doctrine where

53:54 They seem to have a very impersonal look on people who are, I guess in the matrix right? It's sort of like well Cali is going to happen and you profane people just gonna have to sort that out. Sorry, but I just don't like that mentality right and I see that coming out in some of the truther circles as well. And you know, I understand that because I get just as pissed at the next person about why people don't see this or that, so it's a fine line to tread but it seems like that is their great enemy – this idea of this personal god that cares about people on an individual level and

54:35 Sometimes i think there's wisdom and looking at these things and driving what you think isn't god or divine or something that some more spiritual way of looking at things that you think is profound. It's kinda like how they do the polarities analogy good evil there is with them there but you gotta read between the lines and perform your own unification of this opposites, And I think that's what it is. When I see people acting in a polarized way, and a lot of times I do see myself like okay i've definitely done that before maybe not to the extreme level that they are doing it or maybe I have done it even more extreme than somebody else and you know you got to kind of differentiate what's projection and what's actually you being objective

55:13 But you still need to understand when you look at somebody objectively, to understand their subjective viewpoint. That might sound overly philosophical but I think you kind of have to have both and this is what I relate to the internet that's their creation CERN creating the internet and with all these things with data mining and this idea of creating this universal mind, the DARPA stuff...I kinda went over this in some of the later videos And this is their idea I guess the cosmic consciousness that we're all participating in, and this is very much in line with a lot of the hidden hand stuff. They talked about a lot of this and so if they view something as humanity collectively as being very important

55:57 I think it's interesting that they try to utilize that with the internet where they're just data mining a lot of people's personal information. But they're looking at it very impersonally, they just want to look at what makes people tick and all these sorts of stuff and then build their own AI based off of it. At least that seems to be what they're saying. And you know, to me I always found it very strange when going on Facebook and stuff. You can see devoid of any puppet master controllers just general people I just see a lot of my friends like these girls doing selfies with them and bikinis. I'm like you don't realize how much of your insecurities? You're projecting to people and there are wolves out there that will take advantage of that And they're gonna play to your vanity, and then you get those relationship posts that some guy didn't work out because he realized He was a big jerk well It's just like well What are you putting out there? And what do you bring into you and there's this weird world of the internet where so much of this is

56:57 public. And the internet just brings out so much impersonal shit and people where they don't view people as human beings, and nothing is more true than comment threads especially on YouTube, or it's like you would never talk to somebody in real life. Like you're talking to those people in a lot of instances of what you see. And I found myself doing this, you know? debates online where I start, oh you know what? I'm going to refute this guy's point and show what an idiot he is. But why am I really doing that? It's just like what am I doing? And I find all this nasty shit coming out of me and it was like this is really impersonalizing things for me. There's something really weird about the Internet. And I think that it was created with a mal intent at the beginning. There's something about

57:44 That we have to really struggle with that it brings out in us and i think it is a useful tool. But if it starts breeding all this impersonal behavior were just judging people left and right because they believe this or that we just don't even know them face-to-face as a person, there's something really dangerous about that. And, you know, that was just kind of my whole point with that where to me it's reflecting their version of God where all this impersonal behavior is happening and so it's very telling to me in a very philosophical way and that's why I'm really trying to get away from engaging in online stuff

58:21 It's different when you have a site and you have a forum, and that's the basis of your show connecting with people. I don't know for my own purposes, if people want to email me they can email me but i'm kind of done talking in comment threads because I just find a lot of bad stuff can escalate and it can give a lot of preconceived biases and notions to people. And I'm trying to go a different direction with that. To wrap up my point with this is I'm thinking about going in a different direction with my channel to begin with and not really going through a lot of this research like i have been because You know everything that, I presented the fundamental concepts are there you just take them and apply them to anything And you're always gonna get a buttload of details manifesting from that that say the same thing. You know? It's like okay here you go everyone all these ways they're fucking with you and you didn't know it

59:16 Now you must feel pretty awesome that you might have been duped with this, you know it's just so fucking depressing. But it's good to know the ways you might be being steered towards something you don't know but at some point you got to kind of quit that and so I'm going to start getting more into studying astrology and maybe trying to pursue that and trying to take some of these concepts and all of these philosophies, and try to perform my own alchemy on it in a way that okay what do I find profound? What do i think works how can we use some of these things of their system take out maybe the poison bits you know like planetary cycles if they're obsessed with this let me look at these and see if i can make anything that's more practical less fatalistic. And i'm trying to go in that direction i'm not exactly sure where it's going to go but

1:00:02 I kind of want to start giving more, I don't know about positive practical nature to some of the material. And I might go back to some of the research similar to The Vein that I'm doing but where I'm going now...I'm trying to reinvent it a bit and i'm not exactly sure how that's gonna work but that last video where I just sat there and you know let some stuff loose? That was me being like man I want to just get away from this shit and transform it into something different and so that's kind of the essence of that Cheers, man. I definitely get why you would want to do that and I think you make a good point about there being something too face-to-face interactions or something about that Internet separateness And I mean it's kind of the same as driving right? I mean You wouldn't scream at them or flip them off for anything if you weren't in this protective bubble Of the vehicle and I think that's the internet if creates a protective bubble where we can really let our worst tendencies shine through and uh you were talking about

1:01:01 all the devolving that's going on right now, I mean everywhere you look it's everything is completely polarized black and white left and right male female gay straight. It's pretty crazy that not long ago all those groups were somewhat united in the Occupy protests against the 1%. And then just a few years later we have all these same people who would have been involved in Occupy protest but they're now protesting what? Like Other races other sides and everybody's lost sight of the elite and the unfairness in the inequality. And we were so close we had it well yeah i don't know if you watch the videos on libya occupy that i had words like god the occupy thing

1:01:51 It just, it screams manipulation to me from that. And I'm not going to get into that but... That's true! It was at least more on target Yeah i guess what it was was-I talked about the symbolism of Mary crushing the serpent and how that's essentially a visual representation of the constellations of Virgo Libra and Scorpio And that's a really important part of the sky in all of this and zodiac signs and part of the sky. It's kind of a misnomer with like Western astrology, that's a whole other thing but there's this idea that The Virgin is this pure state of this spirit of Lucifer or what I mean by Lucifer is...the reason they revere that is because they think that the Orthodox perverted the Eastern traditions' pure spiritual ideas

1:02:42 And then they made lucifer the bad guy so this is why the cultist use lucifer as his archetype but really. Lucifer just refers to the pure spirit of the eastern traditions according to call that's the main component of it so this is what the celestial virgin represents and then, the scorpio constellation when bergo in scorpio split Libra is inserted and so that the lower nature is the serpent, and that's like the exoteric serpent. That's a serpent of generation, the sexual reproduction and all that kind of stuff. So it is interesting how they occupied, they started in the sign of Virgo when the sun was in Virgo. And meanwhile while that's going on, the Libya conflict is going on and they use this archetype of the lower serpent, the phallic male oppressor

1:03:34 And that to me is like the dictator, right? Dick tater. Right? I mean, that's the whole point of it and then they say that Gaddafi is giving his troops Viagra a phallic thing to go rape all these innocent pure virgin women and children archetype so they're using these archetypes of astrology and Then the Occupy symbol was this ballerina on a bull conquering it and you know The Bull again in the exoteric symbolism it's the profane lower nature it's the bowl of wall street western imperialism the phallic nature all that stuff and again the bull is opposite scorpio on the zodiac so they're just playing with the same motif for this virgin goddess or this divine feminine conquering a serpent or conquering this ball. So they give us the occupy version of that where we think were conquering western imperialism meanwhile,

1:04:27 the West is invading Libya, and like you said all those groups that are protesting that seemingly are involved in all these racial Black Lives Matter issues later on with the Brexit stuff and all of that social justice stuff. Well meanwhile, the entire continent of Africa where there is a real African race getting completely fucked over by Western imperialism And we have this archetype of this evil dictator. But, you know if you look into the alternative stuff on Gaddafi it seems like he was trying to unite Africa and its own resources get away from the petrodollar right and empower the African race as we would know it so where are all these bleeding hearts for that while they're protesting Western imperialism? My point is

1:05:13 were given all of this archetypal symbolism of this phallic serpent dictator and then this ballerina or whatever conquering this. So they did this all when the sun was going through Virgo, Libra and Scorpio. And Gaddafi think about it, the country Libya, Libra liberate all these motifs in esoteric philosophy is liberating you from the demiurge which is represented by the patriarchy, the phallic oppressor But again, they're using this archetype. So they play it up with Gaddafi now who knows I don't know if Gaddafi was just in on this and they're putting on a big grand play or show like the hidden hand said? I don't know but it is interesting how all of these nations have all these dictators that fit this archetype

1:05:57 Yet they're trying to break away from international banking or they don't have a bank they might have a central bank but it's not tied to these international banking and it's very interesting i want to go off in a huge tangent here but you go back to world war two, and all the stuff around that there is a lot of things that were going on with that regime that we're trying to break away from this stuff. And they're the ultimate archetype for the phallic oppressive dictator. Again, I mentioned this on the last show that I've been through a lot of World War II revisionism stuff and you know, I can't say that I fully ascribe to a lot of that or not it's difficult but man there is so much distortion going on in that and I think they just keep using these motifs over and over again. The Occupy Libya thing was an As Above So Below projection because of the constellations going through Virgo, through Scorpio during the entire

1:06:46 Escalation of all that and I think that's one instance where I'm like dude they got the fucking a cultist signatures written all over this. And i just wonder how much of that was just manufactured for an agenda and meanwhile those people many years later are protesting, all the Brexit people and then they're telling everybody, the EU and the United Nations are these saintly organizations because they're bringing all these immigrants in. And they're not being racist oppressors right? But those are the organizations that fucked over Libya! The UN put sanctions on them basically the hammer of the West of the military might that everyone is protesting against that represents that demiurge force is combining with the nurturing United Nations there sanctioning these countries

1:07:33 And then four or five years later, everyone forgets that. And it's just like they have everyone spinning in these contradictions and that's what so hard when I try to explain this stuff to people who are screaming at Brexit people for being racist and I'm just like you're just promoting institutions that fucked over the African people in Africa, you know? And it's just... They just kind of look at you like well I don't know about that. I'm focusing on this right now and i'm just like- I can't..I can't...I just have to get away from that conversation because it's just not going to go anywhere. Hey man! I hear ya. Nothing is genuine everything's manipulated we are being led around by the nose It is so true but if I was just gonna look at that

1:08:13 Silver lining it's that at least we were looking up at the time instead of directing our anger at each other But it's all sleight-of-hand and celestial puppet strings. What are you gonna do? but man, I know that you mentioned taking a break from all this now that the series is done and I hope a lot of listeners will go and digest That series in its entirety Is there anything else in the cards for you in terms of this type of research or anything else to tell the listeners about The future Yeah, I'd kind of toyed with the notion of starting a Patreon account and seeing if maybe I could have some of this research sink into my work time because I definitely neglected a lot of things during the course of this research. And you know again back to the astrology, I have a lot of Scorpio like tendencies that just dig and be one fixed focus on things and just kinda go crazy with it and neglect my health. You know now I'm looking at...I think thats a pipe dream. I don't think thats gonna happen. Wow!

1:09:11 It's not that I don't have a problem with people getting money for these sorts of things, but I just think that I can maybe try to pursue more professional type astrology and try to do it in a way that is more affordable than I find. A lot of astrologers being... Not like shit on people who charge a lot or something but from my own personal experience, yeah! I kind want go in that direction and try to do it in a way that maybe can help people but trying to do so they help themselves be like, okay here's what I understand about this and here's what this might say about this. So let's work with it and that kind of thing. And so the research stuff as i've done it...I might come back to it! There's so much stuff I wanted to do like things on 9-11. I know I already did a lot on the JFK but

1:10:00 I'm really not very happy with that. There's just so much, that was my infant stages of learning all this stuff and it was just way too much shit going on so i kind of want to do this thing on JFK alchemy of the king and the queen because the king in the queen and alchemy is like a central motif and specific types of all these hermetic traditions like the 12 keys of basil valentine and stuff like that there's all these weird parallels going on with that and the JFK presidency. So I kind of wanted to maybe center around that and simplify that series sometime down the road, and you know it's just like when do you have time for that? And so for now i want to focus on this but also again I'm a musician and I really want to get back to focusing on putting a lot of time into that because

1:10:45 It's very Venetian. It allows me to bridge the gap between all of this esoteric spiritual stuff that I research in isolation from my everyday friends and family that are not looking at any of this stuff, and that's something that I'm able to write songs about these sorts of things but it doesn't have to be very overt it can be more veiled than then. I can still talk with people about it. I can still be excited about it you know? And that's really the bridge to all of the people In my regular life and i need that and i got away from the past three or four years ago it was probably necessary but, i kinda wanna have time for that and then just reading a ton of books on astrology. Try to understand it the best that i can amalgamating the things that make sense to me

1:11:33 and utilizing what I have learned from a lot of this esoteric stuff, and even learning from what the elites seem to do with a lot of these events. That's actually helped me understand certain things so...I'm trying to fuse my own version of it And maybe try to release it at some point where I start with just basic birth chart stuff with people and then maybe I need to learn more about transits and stuff and see if I'm really even into that. Maybe sometime next year I can release that? I don't know that's my plan because I kind of need to do something that i feel more positive about rather than digging through all this occult stuff and just seeing how fucked up it all is. So, that's the future for me at least as far as i'm planning right now well you've definitely done a lot of work you've stared deep into the abyss definitely take a break and hopefully you do see some benefits of the journey you took but

1:12:27 Right on man again great job i hope we do put another one of these together a few months down the road because we did leave some things on the table but until then take care my man yeah for sure you can talk about this stuff forever so thanks thanks again for having me on and before we go I'll just say that Our show we did earlier that really was the catalyst to my channel it brought in so many new people and everyone was really gracious and I think that speaks to your audience because i got zero trolls from your audience coming over my channel. And you know, I got a couple here later on even get some

1:13:05 transhumanist people coming around, the H plus people saying you know leaving links saying if you want to know more about transhuman like I'm attracting trans humanists promoters like they're looking for it. So I guess maybe you're doing something right if you're trying to call that out and you're getting the actual people in the mainstream coming and trying to quell your opinions on it by the skin of my teeth man but I'm trying thanks again for the opportunity And I think that You know, your audience is a reflection of the way you approach your show. So thanks again! Right on... Well too kind man and thank you take care out there! All right thanks Greg! You got it Holy hell people the triumphant return of Michael Joseph I think the man does good work i appreciate his approach in trying to be impartial and trying to be as true to the source material as best he can when relaying these perspectives

1:14:02 And I think I just appreciate him because of that and because I share a similar mindset, that these things are so complex and you never really know how genuine the writer is being. So you have to be very careful with the tendency to think that you've got it all figured out! But big thanks for going out of his way to digest The Hidden Hand material so we could compare and contrast it. Hopefully many of you also found that saga interesting a few years back. I thought it was good opportunity to build a show around it to a degree Trying to do things just a little bit differently, and I really hope Michael does keep working in this wheelhouse. I understand how draining it can be to put out such a body of work and feel like you put so much into it And you might wonder for what? Of course...I said that he didn't say that but seriously if you like these subjects go through his YouTube series It'll definitely keep you busy until the next higher side episode

1:14:56 And I think it deserves a lot of added attention. Schism 206, tell them you're into it and encourage the guy to keep up with it. It's not easy work to do and there are definitely not enough people doing it especially ones who can be humble about it. As for the material itself? I can see that in the first part that a Garden Of Eden situation could be illusionary. It is that whole ignorance-is bliss idea we all know a lot of people who think they are happy in their simple little slave job life never upsetting the masters You do stay stagnant living that way, and if you become knowledgeable about the truth of the situation it definitely affects your blissfulness. But I don't see how the elite's actions match up at all with a desire to inspire or toughen us up tonality It's a terrible way to inject choice into society. It just seems like more obvious form of abuse than the former

1:15:53 But I also get why Michael would be saying that he sometimes sides with the orthodox view. If it's them saying technology is an evil trick and now the cutting edge stuff in every field is weaponized against us, vaccines big pharma geoengineering big agrochemicals and roundup resistant crops television brainwashing internet surveillance and tracking add-in this creepy suspicious wifi signals and 5G stuff And it's like every field of applied technology is fucking us up. And it's not all bad, right? It's masked I mean that's the trick to it a renaissance king would be jealous of the conveniences that even the lower class has today Xboxes air conditioning iPhones cars airplanes But it could be the dark agenda That's hidden behind these industries some occult adepts greasing the engines

1:16:50 It's hard to say, but we will know if the cycle resets. None of it will seem worth it if that day ever comes." It's also like do you usurp a god because ego gets in the way or because that god is legitimately a tyrant? It's hard to know exactly how the game started, but I can see a perspective where an elite realizes there is a being controlling the construct and wants to rise above it just because their ego can't help itself. Regardless of this entity's feelings about man... Man can be an arrogant creature! Also though it's hard not to be on Team Human right? Part of me is like yeah break that construct figure out what's going on here but just stop fucking with other people you gotta punch up guys

1:17:35 It's just funny because I'd usually laugh at someone who says we shouldn't play God and has just a super orthodox conservative viewpoint, this anti-science nonsense. Or take the Amish for example like that's a ridiculous lifestyle borderline child abuse but what if the Amish are the only ones on the ARC 2.0 or 6.0 for all we know because they rejected Lucifer's light or helping hand quote unquote There are a thousand different ways to look at it and that's really all we can do because we aren't steering the ship. Maybe it is all just myth, but it does reflect the times with eerie levels of synchronicity... But maybe that's the power of a good myth too! If that smartphone IS The Mark Of The Beast and we've signed up to be willing participants when sea levels rise… We got no one to blame but ourselves

1:18:28 But I got the internet to thank for getting me out of that boring rat race 9-5, so...I guess i'm just gonna have to go down with the ship. But folks it's another long free show that you got today with an extra hour for PLUS members join up at the higher side chats plus dot com It's time You Got The Full THC Experience if you only heard that first hour or that free portion there's just nothing like it! It's more how could it not be better? In the extra hour of this episode, we got into how these esoteric ideas show up in Hollywood movies like The Game and Fight Club. The flaws, inconsistencies and red flags Michael finds amidst the hidden hand material

1:19:08 The possibility of marginalizing magic and the paranormal in culture to hide a hidden connection to sinister forces, seeding channelers in the alternative community to backdoor particular thoughts and ideas. Michael's personal paranormal experiences? Helper beings of the inner earth? Symbolism around planets and what that might mean if we take them to represent modes of consciousness And of course, the Dalai Lama, the Transhumanist Agenda and the 2045 Avatar Project. So I think that's worth $5 alone but you also get the full archives a lifetime forum membership free downloads of all that higher side music you love so much and more episodes coming at ya every month

1:19:53 We got one more episode to go for August that I need to get out tomorrow, but it is a three and half hour recording that i have to edit up. Another long one! I think that's four shows this month that went over the two hours so you are welcome show me some love and join The Plus Club and I'm getting out of here your move AdeptiCultists Technology Conjurers and Luciferian Lightbringers You're fucking booed. I got a new life, you would hardly recognize me! I'm so glad now i'm amazed and don't care about you Why do I bother when your not in the club with me? I saw the sign And it opened as I saw the sun Like he's deeming understanding I saw the sun

1:20:57 I saw the sign, Freemason's gonna bring you up Get you into the light where you belong Under the pale moon These rituals will make you who you are Listen like it's a lot of scars I saw the sign and it opened my eyes I saw the sign, life is in your hands

1:21:38 I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes. Get you into a life where you are I saw the sign, I saw the sign I saw the sign, I saw the sign I saw the sign, I saw the sign I saw the sign, I saw the sign I saw the sign, I saw the sign I saw the sign