Kurt Metzger | Roasting The Critics, Monarch Ritual Trauma, & The Noahide Techno-state

00:00 The Highest Side Chance Show Crick Carlwood Carli. Well, well, well, it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, people, from the Sunshine State. I'm Greg Carlwood. And in this late stage of the American Empire, all indications are that the bloodline families of the nefarious few have seen just about enough from this new Atlantis experiment that many of us call home. And they've moved on to adding pressure to all the load-bearing walls of the Western world in hopes that they can bring it down enough to hold the big pillow over our collective faces before moving on to a new system of global management. Likely one less encumbered by the bumbling idiots of their mind-controlled middle management class and more efficiently streamlined using centralized technology and technocratic infrastructure to personalize police state control down to the individual level.

00:46 It's bound to be one of the key transitional milestones of our lives. But what is there to do but watch when many of us feel completely overwhelmed and largely lost with many just hoping they can cover the rent, fast food delivery, and GTA 6. Well, they say we laugh so we don't cry. And who better to help make that true than Peabody and Emmy award-winning writer, podcaster, and comedian Kurt Metzger? Hey, man. Sorry, I just woke up. So my Turkish hair is, you know, I got hair plugs in Turkey not long ago. It's all good. You know him from his shows, The Derp with Kirb, as well as Mystery Boys with Duncan Trussell. He's a walking, talking, conspiratorial Rolodex of connections with recall like no other, a true Twilight language linguist, the king of white claws, the pipe wielding white precious himself.

01:30 Mr. Metzger, welcome to the higher side. I prefer a nice high noon actually now more than a claw. Sorry, Claw, if you had your chance for a sponsorship. Yeah, well, I'm drinking something a little stronger myself here. I'm going to have to stop drinking them because I'm going to become a fat fuck, dude. I believe it. Lots of calories. Also, the aluminum. You can't be drinking out of that much aluminum and keep your pristine recall. Well, you know, I think you just figured it was speed or something. Well, they say they've cut. I don't know. I'm not a doctor, dude. I don't fucking know. Well, they say they've cut open the brains of autistic kids and Alzheimer's folks and aluminum is the thing. Now, it probably comes from shots and not whiteclaw cans, but hey. You're raining it on your head. I mean, they've been raining it on everybody's head.

02:14 Chemtrails, what I thought were fake and were not fake, and they're called geoengineering now. But yeah, aluminum. And then all that shit they dumped on people to scan the area for total. And in the 90s, by the way, if you read the accounts of people that were in those programs, nothing with aliens, but especially the MKs, dude, they had tech to look, you couldn't believe what they could do back then. It's stuff that people would be surprised they could do now, but they've had it for since the 90s. Yeah. Looking at your license plate from space, they've been able to do that for a long, long, long, long, long time. I agree. And that's what's crazy. With so many of your interviews, I hear you breaking down kind of conspiratorial 101, 102 stuff for people who aren't usually swimming in these waters.

02:55 I know. It's a real drag to catch people up to things. Right. You're like, that was the 60s. Now it's like a whole different ballgame. But I do appreciate you doing this. You were cool enough to have me on Derp with Kirb. We talked homunculi and the Libra Veique over dinner, and we shared notes on what Danny Elfman's tattoos might mean. And now here we are happy to launch our own. Oh, that's right. I forgot about the Danny Elfman tattoo. That was the last time. It was when I happened to watch Finally Forbidden Zone that I'd never seen. Yeah, I mean, he's got some gnarly ones. He's the bad bunny of orchestral creepy music for film scores. It's just the stuff they were portraying in that was so like off the wall. And so clearly he's got like sigils on himself.

03:40 So I don't know what I was never able to find out what the ones he had on him were. But it's very strange to see a 70-year-old jacked man with some, you know, who likes like Cab Calloway fucking music. And then they got like devil sigils on him. Yeah. Well, yeah. I was going to say, like, I heard you talking about Bad Bunny on another show, another guy who kind of came out of nowhere, but he's all tatted up. And he's got all these esoteric tattoos. Like, yeah, the Rebus. He's got the two-headed alchemical symbol of connecting the opposites, uniting the opposites. And it's like he's got some other very esoteric tattoos. This is like layered stuff that only occultists would know.

04:22 It's like, why does Bad Bunny have this on his body? Did he even choose his own tattoos? Sometimes you wonder that. Yeah, that's the question. Did he pick that out or somebody tell him you're going to get that? Well, I got that from Hidden Omaruka channel, the Dude Connor's channel. Sometimes he's wrong about stuff. And I text him if I think he's wrong about something. Dude, every time I hear a dumb thing of like Joe Rogan is compromised, because I know Joe. And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? What do you think he does for a living? He's a compromised UFC announcer? Well, no, man. Podcaster? What does that fucking mean? What it means is that there's a lot of people in the billionaire class, the technocrat. technocratic billionaire class that are friends of Peter Thial that make the rounds on that podcast doing their PR.

05:05 That's what it means. How did they come off on the podcast? Like they're good to people like me and you who have some discernment, they don't look good. But to other people, they do look like, oh, there's nothing wrong with this guy. He's quite friendly. He's quite nice. I don't know, dude. I'm on Jimmy's show picking these things apart non-sob. Like Mark Andreessen was a big one. People pick apart. When Cash Patel went on, it did not help him. No, that was a that was a definitely shit the bed moment. So at the end of the day, the argument, and I don't know old you are, but dude, millennial down, they all think there's a thing called platforming that's good or bad to do. And honestly, anybody believes in like platforming, I want you to get on a platform and tie a belt around your neck and uh kick the platform.

05:47 Yes. Well, I'm not in that category. Never used it. You didn't use that term, but I've heard the argument a lot. We're like, well, they talked on the thing. His only criteria to let people talk, which I think is more than fair, is you can't tell me ahead of time what we have to talk about. We're just going to check. I just want to, like, if I got to know you, whatever you see the interview is going to be him talking to the person just like a regular with no other shit around it. Here's the amazing I would point to that everybody forgets, but I harp on it because I chimp the fuck out when people talk shit on Joe. And a lot of fucking pussy ass comments who I know are so, yo, remember COVID, the fucking bio-weapon they put in us? Well, in me, my dumbass, I wish I smoked crack instead of taking that fucking shot. You got the shot.

06:30 I'm surprised. Yo, I didn't know anything about that at the time. I've never had an issue with the vaccines I had. You know, when I got had my polio vaccine, I didn't get polio after that. It was fine. So I didn't know. And I always kind of poo-pooed that whole idea there was any problem with that industry at all, right? But once COVID happened, and then the girl I was in at the time was like, you know, she couldn't go to work. She can't take any vaccines because she was like some native and Mexican mix where they can't have white man things. They got to just have pounded out cornmeal, you know? She was just allergic to all of them. So that's a real condition that's been known about.

07:07 That's nothing to do with that argument about anti- or pro-vaxing. It's just some people literally can't because they'll have an extreme immune response. So what she's supposed to not be able to work because she literally can't take it. And I mean, because people are like, just get it. Not Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan's the only guy didn't make one mistake about anything he said during COVID. And I know because we covered that the entire time on Jimmy's show, and it was painful actually cover. I was like, I'm sick of even thinking about fucking COVID. Every fucking jerk off and say something. Just remember, he was the only guy that was right and they tried to destroy him for that. Why didn't he yell at JG Vance? You're a fuck-tar child if you think that. Well, right.

07:49 You know, me and you went out to dinner with Danny Jones, and a lot of people gave me shit for going to. And I also took Professor Jang to that same restaurant. And that got me a lot of blowback too. But from who? The internet. You know, just comments. Shut up, internet. I know, I know. I don't know why I look. I don't know why I look. But people just, yeah, they think that if you start talking to people with bigger platforms, that you're somehow compromised. And, you know, it is what it is. We deal with that all the time. Yo, you live in America, bitches. So you're bitch cattle that are compromised at birth. So don't get too haughty about the compromises. That's what all you fucking punks are.

08:30 You fuck. Yo, I'm in the Epstein. I have a joke about it because I'm in the Epsom files, you know, just because I did a stand-up show that he was invited to. Yeah. I did see a lot of comedy flyers, you know, just like the typical marketing stuff for the comedy seller in those emails. Oh, for sure. So it's blacked out who invited him for national security reasons, but I keep like pushing. Like, I just want to make clear I'm bragging that I'm in the Epstein files, you know, like just I'm not trying to get ahead of nothing. I want you to know who you're talking to. And I'm like, well, even if I did do a crime, what would you fucking pussies do about it? That's what I say every time. Nothing. Are you going to go vote, bitch? You see any arrests or violence? No, you don't. Suck my dick. I had three babies. Everyone's a critic. Everyone's a critic.

09:14 Yeah, but they're all, dude, America, like, as soon as you hear shill, if somebody could tell me what, and there are, I mean, it's almost all grift, of course, but people that say that shit, I want you to tell me what the fuck that word means first before you say it to me again, you know? Yes. Because most people don't know what the fuck that fucking means. Yeah, well, everyone, everyone wants to play gotcha, and it's a lot easier to shit on people and call them shills than it is to actually digest the content of what they're about and what they get into. So, yeah, it happens. You're right. I just want to learn stuff. So that's all. If I get new data from your thing, then I'm happy. Dude, believe it or not, this is going to sound crazy. Tim Poole used to be like. be like way better, like way better.

09:57 And all I'm judging it by is if I learned a new thing that was accurate from you or not. You know what I mean? Or something that not to make this all about Rogan, but that is the thing. You can look at it as, well, he has these billionaire people on to do their PR, which is a game as old as the Rockefellers buying newspapers. He has me on. He has Dave Smith on. Yes. He has Jimmy Dora. But that's the other. The other thing is, okay, so without the platform, without, you know, not to use the platform word, but without Rogan's podcast, you don't know who these people are at all. And then, is that better? I don't think it's better. I actually think it's better to hear them try to talk for three hours and do the mental gymnastics to justify their behavior. That's exactly right. You want to hear him talk for three hours. He's a jiu-jitsu guy. So guess what? It's all going to be go ahead and talk, man.

10:42 Let your weight, let the momentum carry you. Yes. Anyway, but I was just using an example because you hear it all the time now, and it means absolutely fucking nothing. I just want to make it clear: America is a bitch state. It should be a podcast now. And everybody that moved on from the Epstein files, you're a punk. Don't talk. I mean, like, you didn't declare. Yo, you just moved on from the cannibal beef jerky files. Are you going to blather at me about some fucking crypto Jew that strangled demon-possessed? Well, okay, look, as soon as you see the school, the pill regimen and you see a therapist who is either her age or younger than her onboarding a lot of different medication.

11:25 My friend Brody killed himself. I know about Brody. At the comedy store, and he was going, they were onboarding a different meds to him and all that shit. Those are school shooter pills, SSRIs. If anybody that's on those, you're fucked, dude. You're better off if you did heroin. And you could come off of that easier because you're fucked now. That shit is bad news. And guess what? The reason we don't have MK Monarch like the 90s is because they figured out a combination of them pills and broadcasting bullshit right into your dumb skulls works just as well, like a diffused Satanism rather than the black awakening of Russ Dizdar, you know? Well, that was really the theme I thought we would get into: is how have these things evolved?

12:07 You know, everybody's talking about the old game, the 1.0 version of MK Ultra, but how have these things really changed over time? And there's not enough monarch talk. It's all ultra. But no, you say monarch a lot because that's the one you could tell which one's got to be brought up because they won't be brought up. So Bad Bunny has a monarch or he has a butterfly tattoo. And oh, Andrew Tate, yo, did you ever look at Andrew Tate's? It's like children's books or some shit where it's like his black dad is teaching him kung fu in the Wudon Mountains and there's all these butterflies around him while he's doing his kick punching class.

12:47 Always the monarch thing. And that butterfly thing, because on my last Dirt Brother Curve, I had Gray on. Oh, I love, I love that guy. Yeah, I love that guy too. So he was talking about it where he got inducted into the program. They took him to a butterfly garden. So when they tell you, they give you this speech about that. You're going to be like, basically, they told these people they're chosen ones. And then just think of how cool it'd be like in the movies to be a super soldier or an Avenger or an X-Men. Well, there are real versions of all of those things. And the part they don't tell you about is the extreme sexual assault that you will face non-stop from a very small age to get these incredible gifts of psychic potential.

13:27 Oh, also almost dying and coming back. All kinds of evil shit. Anyway, the butterfly thing, Gray talked about that. And then I'm looking at stupid Andrew Tate's fucking book, and it's the same scene. There's always the monarch, you know, the great Yosef Mengela taught us that you can traumatize people for three generations or some shit before it's like, oh, that's why he raises a cow now. Sorry. I get very scatty when I wake up. All good. For people who don't remember, Gray, yes, we talked about how he was inducted in these rituals to be a conduit for a demon of some kind to be brought into his body so that these aristocratic occultists could talk to that demon without being involved.

14:08 You know, he would be the middleman, just like Stranger Things. I mean, that is the Stranger Things season one story: put this little girl in the room with the demon, and then we'll talk to the demon through her. But he also talked about how this ritual was done on an eclipse, and it's the same day, which I looked this up. Jeffrey Dahmer was baptized on this day, and John Wayne Gacy was executed on this day, if I got that correctly. But these two serial killers, one was given baptism, and one was given death on the same day. That's ritualistic. That's clearly them experimenting. Well, I was wondering when I first heard that, like, what I talked about on an episode of Mystery Boys 2, because when I just talked to him about that, because I'm like, why would you need to do that?

14:48 Like, what would be the point of that? Why would those things matter at all to that ritual? And it's some kind of polarity thing during an eclipse. That's like a big deal anyway. So, anybody that's doing anything during an eclipse that's ritualistic, that's you're like, it's like the fishing hole. It's like a hole. And because he's born on an eclipse and his mom's born on an eclipse in that whole gay magic thing that he's a miniature eclipse in a way. So, at the end of the day, it's sympathetic magic, like a voodoo doll or poppet. They're not, you know, voodoo dolls aren't, they're called poppets. And so, it's like, oh, this or Epson's chess set that looks like his employees. It's not to play chess, it's literally to coordinate with the astrological science.

15:31 And so, that's what Tracy Twinland talked about with that game Agio that she was channeling from God knows what. And as soon as I was reading, I'm like, oh, this is what his fucking chess set was. There's no historical record of this other than her terrifying Ouija board sessions, but fucking fascinating. And yeah, it was like you, it was like a game, you know, it's like poking a voodoo, but it's like a game and you move it along. You check the sign. I don't really know how it works. I'm straight. But that's what all this shit is at the end of day. And so, you know, when they sell the secret to some housewife, the occult, that's what the this just means the occult, the secret.

16:10 All I had to do is call it the secret. Yes. And that's occulted now because that's what. So that's true about you can manifest in it. But guess what? We all live here, motherfucker. It's not just you making wishes. If you lived here all by yourself, maybe you could make your wishes and whatever, because there ain't no, but we're all here. So everybody has their prayers and wishes that they want. The people that know about this shit understand it and they're trying to manage those currents. You know, the total control is like, we need everybody steered this way to do this ritual. Heather, did you talk to Heather Lynn yet? Of course. Took her to the same restaurant. Took her to the same restaurant in Clearwater.

16:46 Dude, oh, yeah, she told me that. That's right. I kept asking why they're focusing on Candace Owens so hard on this, you know, the furry trial for the fucking Patsy fucking autistic program retard, like all over. And it's weird that they focus on, I mean, it bugs me because we cover this shit all the time on Jimmy Show. And I'm like, what? Yo, she disappears. You think that everything is fine for your story? It's not. I thought this, independently of anything she says, I don't have any, I'm not for or against her. I don't really know her like that. So I don't give a shit about your high school issues with her, which is what the most bitch-ass part of America is: is the arguing from high school popularity. I got to say, I am thankful that despite me and Jay Dyer's own high school level spat recently, he was kind enough to lend you a studio to record this.

17:31 I mean, that's a studio. I know he has a flamingo or something in the background. Well, he loves his blues and his pinks and his purples and the Miami Vice vibe. It's like my spirit goggles color. Yes. So, okay. The reason they're focusing on Candace is because Chabad, that Mooney cult of Jews that is like an Intel cutout, that is doing these, she calls it Zionist ritual theater, which is exactly what it fucking is. So, for example, Charlie was unblemished lamb who got kosher slaughtered in front of everybody because we were all required to see that. Although Erica Kirk never saw it and she doesn't want to. She said, Well, I didn't want to, but I had to see it. Why? Right. That's weird. How'd you even avoid it? Were you an underground base? Anyway, they're doing the scapegoat ritual right now.

18:14 So you sent out two goats. And she worded it really well. I don't even find it, but she was talking about how you imbue narrative. And so Tyler Robinson, the furry lover, he's been imbued with narrative now, just like Lindsey Clancy has been imbued with narrative. And you can use the media as a plane of cause, right? If you want to do magic, imbue the narrative into one vessel. Norm McDonald used to joke that we should have that scapegoat ritual again, but we've never gotten rid of it. We always have had it. It's publicly done. That's why these people create media empires so they can do this ritual magic, which is psychology. It's the things you think are normal, and they're not. So one goat's dead. Charlie Kirk's dead, but now Tyler Robinson. So now that's why they keep saying demonizing her. And they go, it's demon. What is she doing that's demonic?

18:59 You think it's just so I understand what they're saying. You think it's demonic to not believe the obvious bullshit story of the Charlie Kirk death that any even anybody who's not a cow could see. You think that's demonic, but it's not demonic to starve all them kids in Gaza. That's actually a good thing. Fuck you. Right. No, it's not demonic. However, they have to say that because she's taking the role of Hasatan, the accuser, as part of the ritual. So they can't close the case because she's got a big platform. That's what the platforming's about. All that platforming talk, we got to stop her. That's what I tried to do to Joe. Narrative control. That's right. You're ruining my ritual, motherfucker. And I have to incorporate you. If I'm good, it's just like improving or something.

19:42 If I'm good, I can incorporate you into it and keep it moving. moving, you know. And they are good, but this one, I think their B team put it together because it ain't. I mean, I don't, they're gonna have to go to the next scapegoat, is what Heather said, and that's a good thing to look for to see what happens, you know. Yes, well, with the platforming thing and the upsetting the narrative, you know, Terrence McKenna once said the universe runs on narrative, which when I was really young, I didn't even get that, but I believe that's what he's talking about. What does that mean? Well, basically, what you said, like the universe runs on story. I say it runs on setup punchline, so it's cause and effect because story could also, you know, the universe.

20:22 I think so, it could be true or false. Some stories are organic, but they're manipulating in gaming narrative and they're directing all of our attention. Heather Leon said this too: that I'm going to mangle, but it's a good thing. She calls it like the universal broker class. Yes, there's people that are siphoning off the entropy. Because why would we have a heat death of the universe if you can't create or destroy matter? Just to be skimming off the top of the whole thing. Yeah, I mean, that's been my big thing: the natural world is very abundant. You plant an apple tree and you get hundreds of apples every year forever or for the length of your life, but nobody plants an apple tree. Everybody's worried about, am I going to have enough money for food? You don't need the money, you need the food. So get the food.

21:04 Stop worrying about the people who made the money. Yeah, well, that's the ultimate ritual: the money. The money is the most important. You know, you need a fucking mysterious eye in a triangle on the money. That makes it like more valid. You're like, what's all that weird shit on there? Well, if you didn't put magical symbols on that dollar, you know, you might as well be a Chuck E. Cheese and put a cartoon mouse. You need something like, oh, this is real. Like, it works. Oh, then you have a bunch of rappers, like, they hold it like a radio on their shoulder. Yeah. You dance with it like fucking dipshits. And I mean, that's there's a ritual right there. Okay. To every single fucking song be a guy dancing with stacks of cash and they suck.

21:48 And then AI could do a better job than I don't want anybody's complaining about because AI, there's no difference between what music videos were and the AI stuff that we're getting now. I get, I get what you're saying. I mean, everybody says slop all the time, but this is America. You love slopers. Don't act like you don't. You love it. It's true. Who don't like a nice bowl of slop? I like some slop. Amen. But back to the narrative thing. Like, obviously, they are trying to compromise big podcasts. Obviously, they're trying to create, make sure their stories are the ones that get told most. When I was eating with Professor Zhang, one of the things that I thought was interesting, because for a long time, there's always been this talk of like, oh, if you get the tap on the shoulder or they're going to kill you for talking too much.

22:27 And like, you know, some colleagues do go down for the things they research and the journalists that were digging too deep into very sensitive topics. But Professor Jang said they're probably not, you know, I'm paraphrasing, but he's like, they probably aren't going to kill you. Like, it's more likely that they would be very, very nice to you, invite you to parties, invite you to the yacht. And then when you do a show, be like, well, why would you talk bad about us? I thought we were friends. Like, weren't we? What have I ever done to you? You know, I let you into my world. Yo, it's not complicated, man. It's a thing you see all the time. But I, you know, I thought less about that before. And now it's like, oh, that's why Tim Dylan says, well, yeah, Peter Thiel's invited me to dinner.

23:07 I can't go because I want to be able to talk freely on my podcast. So I think that's the thing: they cozy up to some people who have big platforms so that they can talk unchallenged and get their PR message out. This reminds you of Gamergate a little bit. It does me because Gamergate was all the, and I didn't pay attention to it, but don't think that's a major vector to start pushing the social program. It's like the part of the wall not being watched. Cause, like, first of all, I would never call them, I play those games like a fucking child. My girlfriend doesn't like it one bit. My fiancé, I should say. I forget. I'm so engrossed in a game.

23:43 I don't remember what she is and she don't like it. But I would never say gamer. We were just like nerds and shit for that. You know, that's like an identity group that was marketed to a certain age that used to be for gambling back in the day. It went gambling, but now it means, but now it's coming back to gambling through the gaming, right? And then they start taking liberties, these companies, where they would start charging you for horse armor for your fucking Elder Scrolls horse. Right. And it was like a dollar. Now, I remember that. I didn't, I remember playing that game and I didn't buy the horse armor because I didn't give a shit. I think maybe I did, but it was like a dollar. I didn't care. So that's how I treat it because at the time. I believe the horse armor was $10 and that's why it's a meme. You know, that's why we remember it. Oh, maybe I maybe they lowered it, but people complained, right?

24:28 And then it turns into an opportunity to create a whole different narrative than what the thing was, which once again is an oligarchy abusing you. You know what I mean? Like, that's that's the thing at the end of the day. you're interfering with... So those journalists they were complaining about were going and hanging out the way Tim Dylan would not do. Game journalists would be fucking people that are in the industry. Or if they didn't give at least a seven to like some game, they get fired. So Tim's going, okay, now I know what industry I'm in. So that's my equivalent. If I were like a critic. You know, if you're a critic, you can't. Yeah. If you want to be a critic, you got to keep it all at arm's length. Luckily, that happens naturally for me. So I don't have any problems there. No one invites me to the yachts.

25:11 Because you grow your own apples and you won't shut up about it. That keeps the people you don't want in out. Exactly. I need to plant another tree. It's something. Yeah, I'm due. Because you support Gnostics. Yeah, exactly. People don't want to be. Sadly, so many Gnostics. What's funny about the thing about saying I'm a Gnostic, though, is just like, to my knowledge, the group who was the most Gnostic or is considered the most talked about Gnostics are the Cathars. And the Cathars were very pure. Like they didn't drink. They made sure they had a very clean diet. Right. They didn't have sex with women and only had sex with men. Very Templar of them. Stephen Rito. And that's the purity. Well, I mean, they were gay. I don't think they were gay. I don't know. I don't know. But I'm just saying, like, I indulge.

25:55 So I'm definitely not Cathar-like. I'm definitely not. Here's the Gnostic that I think is very stupid: the one where they go, this entire material world is bad and made by somebody bad. I don't think that's real at all. I think there's archons. I think it's just a. I think Sophia, if you want to mix the myths and whatever, Sophia's probably Eve, that dumb bitch, Sophia. So I look at it like how they fucked up like Star Wars. And even though Star Wars is some Kabbalah propaganda from a guy who's part of the thing, I just put that aside. When I was a kid, I liked it. And then it became unwatchable. Like another Disney buys it, and George Lucas is fed up with his fans of his creation. So he sells it for a bunch of money. And I remember at the time being like, did God sell us to Disney?

26:39 Cause he's sick of us. And then now they're fucking up the whole, now they're making everything gay. So that's what it is. These people are the kings. And if you apply a holographic, let's be scientific principle, not hermetic, which is what that means, right? You could scale it all the way down. All of creation, somebody made it. A fucking scumbag who can't create, but wants to own things, took it over and is charging you for some shit you should get for free. So there's an aspect that I agree with. The part where the world is bad. No, that's what griefers in games do. They go, well, this game sucks anyway. So I'm going to make it shitty for you. And you're like, is this not even about this?

27:17 I agree. That's what these people are. So that's the Cathars. And as soon as somebody's like, everything's bad, especially pussy and especially material things, they're a pedo or they're gay nine times out of closeted. I see a repeating pattern throughout history of this. Well, something Gordon White said in the first interview we ever did, because I was going back over like trying to get a clip show going is he said, you know, for many years, the only content we had about the Gnostics were from people who hated them. So the only writings we have are from people who hate them. So I think they've been mischaracterized. I don't think they thought the world was evil. I think they thought it was illusionary. And that is true. The material world is somewhat illusionary. There is a spiritual dimension. I thought there are no sex with women cult.

28:01 Well, it's hard to define a Gnostic, honestly, because there was no group. No, the one, the specific Cathars, I thought, was like, you're not, there's another baptism they do, and you're not supposed to have intercourse, you know, at all. I haven't really gotten into their sexuality, except that they were very like. That's the first place to look. And I'm telling you, the ones that say it's wrong to fuck like how normal people fuck for God reasons, you already know that's bad. And it's probably because it's deviant. It's an attempt to control. Now it's even worse than a fucking Catholic now once you get into that shit. But I think you can have psychedelic experiences, spiritual experiences from fasting and abstaining and all this stuff.

28:39 I mean, that's what Diana Pasoka says in her book, one of her contacts. He's like, I don't have caffeine. I don't have alcohol because it ruins my connection to this voice that gives me the ideas for the medical devices I patent. Well, that's some occultist, and she's being used to start the UFO religion. She's clearly a PR person for it. Well, she's going to be on here next week. So get it out now. I think she's pushing just like Whitley Streiber, the new religion. I'm not saying she's sinister, her motives or something, but everybody I know, I'm going to talk to that guy with the Virginia incident. I'm going to have him on. He went on Joe's show with that bald guy who was stealing old Richard Doty stories about UFO alien contact. I don't know who this is. Yeah, remember the Virginia incident in Brazil? Oh,

29:23 the guy who's like, wears the Indiana Jones hats and the vests and stuff. Okay, not him. Oh. Because that would be cool as shit. I got to start doing that. Wait, I'll tell you his name. his name. You'll know in a sec. His name is James something, but he made a documentary about it. So, this guy, who, by the way, was like obviously a monarch asset from back in the day, clearly, and talked about the abuse and shit that he went through very openly. So, clearly, he got programmed to say a bunch of shit. James Fox. James Fox. Okay. A name I have. You've seen him on stuff. He's an interesting guy to talk to on it. But what I'm saying is these people. Because now you're like a journalist, right? And it's actually ties in what you're just saying. They're nice to you. Or Jengus saying, they're going to be nice to you. So Dina Pasilica has contacts in there.

30:08 In fact, everybody, Turning Point Sam Triple has contacts they talk to that. Some of them, you're like, wait, what is this? You got to let me in. You got to let me in. I just let Sam in and I feel like it was a mistake. No, I'll be quiet. I just want to read. Yeah, yeah, it's just group text. I'll just put you in name in it. I know. I know most of the people in it. All I do is listen for once you got a significant information. You just listen to ping it off the other information you got. So that's what I'm saying. I'm always listening. I just want to hear you out and hear what you said. And then I'll make my own decision. I could be fooled, you know, but not forever. You only get me with the same trick like, you know, like 9-11. You can get me like the first 20 years with that.

30:50 Fair enough. I'll give you one false flag and I'll look the other way. You do a bunch, actually. You do, because I mean, they're all fucking false flags. All wars. False flags aren't wrong because they're murdering real people to do this shit. So I did want to bring this up because I have this in my notes. But when we were eating, we were talking about how dark magic gets and the Libra Veke. And you read some of these rituals from the LibreVeke. And a lot of these things defy stuff. They defy the laws of biology as we know them. So I just want people listening to know what we're talking about. Here's one from the LibreVeke, an Arabic grimoire from the 9th century.

31:27 This is a ritual for the human-skinned creature. The magician is instructed to mix human semen with a phosphorescent material called sunstone and use it to inseminate a cow. The animal's vagina is then plugged with the sunstone and its genitals are smeared with the blood of another animal. The impregnated animal must be sealed in a pitch black, windowless room and fed a strict diet mixed with animal blood. Then the creature is born and it is completely devoid of skin. The manifestation of human skin happens when the newborn creature is immediately placed in a special powder made of ground sunstone, sulfur, and zinc oxide mixed with willow sap.

32:07 Make sure you keep your willow sap stocked for this. Baby, we're out of willow sap. And then it's sealed in a glass vessel away from the sun where it begins to grow skin, moving and feeding on its mother's milk and blood. In one of the books specific variations, the resulting creature is described as a small cow with a human face, wings, and bird talons. The magician is instructed to brutally, ritualistically slaughter the creature. Its blood, bodily fluids, and flesh are then used to manufacture magical ointments and powders by applying these substances to their own eyes, tongue, ears, and hands, or by burning the creature's corpse to create ritual smoke.

32:44 The magician supposedly gains extraordinary supernatural powers, including becoming invisible to others, the ability to walk on water, complete invulnerability to weapons, the power to see, summon, and speak to spirits, and the gift of prophecy and mind reading. I mean, I'm not going to find out, but anyone can write down some weird shit. Well, that's what I think that book, because I don't know if you know this, but Plato apparently didn't write it afterwards. He did not write it. No, this is way older than Plato, but it was attributed to him. But if you were found walking around with this book, you'd be killed. Yeah, so I mean, it reeks to me of like a, you know, like the 4chan thing of microwave.

33:23 You can charge your phone with a microwave. Like they put that out to see who would do it. Like, so I'm a comm man and I want, who's going to do this shit? I got to make this really bad because if you actually do it, you're never going to do it and find out, right? But no, you will. Some people will. And I'll bet some people want from one on one. Is it Poggy? Yes. The foremost among geologists that I know. Yes, he's good. Yeah. You know, somebody, if they heard it, dude, if so, they heard it worked one. It worked one time doing something. So a bunch of people are putting out ways to, you know, it's kind of like cat calling. Why was it only cat call? Because if it works one time, it's worth it.

34:04 Well, that's the weird thing about this is it defies biology. I mean, human sperm and animal eggs are not supposed to be compatible. I guess I, I mean, who knows really? That Russian scientist did some dynamite research. I'm sure. I'm sure. Impregnating chimps and women and blah, blah. In Africa, he went to Africa to do the experiments. That's really amazing of him. And now that the gene editing, I'm sure they're far enough ahead. ahead along that, you know, when you psychologically find out people are afraid of reptiles, you can crisper up some lizard guys if you want, right? Yes. So they can, they in 900, they wanted this to be true, and they've been working on trying to manipulate the genome enough that it can be true.

34:45 Well, there's also like some kind of extra spiritual element to it where, where, and I don't really understand the extent of how it works, but there's something where you could be pregnant spiritually in some way in the lore, you know? So that's what I think about like when Zeus gives birth to Artemis or Diana, right? She comes out of it, his head hurts and she springs out of his fucking head. So that, I mean, that's like if you ever, I don't know, I got to write a lot of shit all the time. So how I'm a terrible work ethic, and what happens is I get obsessive. So then I'll just, and it's like my head hurts. I have to get this out of my head right now, right? So when I hear that story, it's you're like, oh, that's like an order of magnitude below, but you gave birth somebody to your head and not, you know, with a woman.

35:32 And the thing in your brain is called the homunculus. That's the medical term for what controls your arms and legs, right? I never heard that. So yeah, Juan told me, and he's right. We looked it up on the show. Huh? On the homunculus. Yeah. I should add you out on that one. And we looked it up. And I was like, oh, I didn't realize the homunculus. They call it that for real in medicine, but it's just like where your map, your body parts are mapped out. That is crazy. I thought all the homunculus were all in your head. It's a form of mind control. Like they, you know, they're marionetting you based on. But anyway, the whole goal is to create something without a woman being involved. Tracy Twin's got a ton of shit about it. Anal birth of the homunculus, yes. Right. And so that purity thing, the catholic, the cathars, that's part of it.

36:14 In fact, it's, it, it goes into the Templars. I would love someone to ask that dude that says he's a Templar grandmaster about any of that shit that she found about. I would love, I would love to hear him talk because she got that Catholic book and nobody else did this research. They fucking had the record of forgiving the Templars that wanted to be forgiven, I guess, right? And so it got, nobody read the translation or translated it. And they all just said, yeah, no, they were innocent. The church said, no. Some of them were like, I'm sorry. I didn't want to be in this gay, jerk-off fight club, busy fight club where you just fuck dudes and fight and fuck dudes.

36:54 And I didn't like it. And we also had to talk to a goddamn head that they like all kinds of creepy shit. Early skull and bones. That's right. And so, guess what? The stuff they were doing sounds an awful lot like the Libra Veke, I bet. I'll bet they're doing a lot of Libra Veke stuff. And when you think how gross these rituals are and what, how they're all like these desecrations to get in touch with these fucking things, it comes off like 764 internet Satanists or pranksters or like Chris Chan and pranksters, where it's like, let's see what they'll do. Like something on the other side is like, let's see if they'll do this. Yeah, demonic pranksters, sure. Because I'm bored.

37:36 I can't feel nothing. I can't go to sleep. I can't get high or do whatever I did when I was alive. And I'd like to now see you do something depraved. Think of like these guys on school shooter pills and SSRIs that turn into furries because that shit fucks your libido up. So you're a developing teen. I wasn't never on them as a teen, but as a teen, while you're starting to really get hormones, you're on that shit. And I know it numbs your sexuality. So you need stronger shit to be able to fucking come, dude. You know, well, you are onto something with the marionetting people because think about like these demons that they're like, oh, I want to, you know, like, I want to feel that rush.

38:13 And I know we both like Andy Hunt from Control Alt History. He covered that forum where some abused celebrity kid was saying that it's all demonic possession and that it's really demons taking over the body of the entertainers because they want to be on that stage and you have to create a vessel. Well, channeling. Now, I don't know what kind of demon it is because the demons are, again, they're all purpose terms. Like there's all kinds of things. I don't think there's just like one thing, you know, but but it could maybe it's a debuk. You know, that's a fucking not an angel. Is it Les Wesner who had the debuk? He still does. Yeah, he loves to talk about his little demon friend.

38:55 Well, that's a person. That's a debuk is a dead person. They call a clinger. It means to cling. They cling. So that's a body feeding. It's a body theatre. Same thing. Yes. These people all talk about the same exact shit, but they have a million different names for it. I mean, we all know that. And you start seeing the pattern. So that's why I think at the end of the day, the aliens or whatever are undead. I think they're fucking undead. And I think we don't really understand what death is. And much like gender, there's degrees of it. of it. I do somewhat agree with that. Even Whitley Streeber said he thinks that the UFO has something to do with death. And I know people who have had tragic deaths happen in their neighborhood. And then all of a sudden, people are seeing like ghostly figures.

39:38 And, you know, that's fine, but they also see UFOs. And it's very strange. The whole idea of chariots of the gods. I mean, that's a good term because they seem to be like the fairyman, you know, who takes people to the afterlife, whatever that is, takes spirits to the afterlife. So maybe when a UFO comes, it's really picking up a body and taking it to the afterlife. But we see it as like an orb in the sky or some weird kind of ship. Well, you know, I want to talk to that guy, Preston Dennett. I'm going to try to have him on Mystery Boys or my other show because I want to ask him because he's always about like the aliens are positive and they're not, you know, and I believe there's a bunch of fake shit. Of course there is. And we already know our government fucking sucks and they're going to do any evil thing they can.

40:21 We already know that. But I don't think the aliens, let's just say they're aliens to be on his war. I don't think they're good guys. Why would they be hiding and why would they be roofing everyone? What's this thing where I have to be roofied after as if I had a dream? And I really listen to these people's stories because, like, what I'm trying to hear the most is the quality of the experience where they have very some people tell you very interesting details about how it was like real and unreal at the same time, even though it was real, or they felt like there were more constituent parts of them than usual. Really? Or Daryl James, the guy had on Mystery Boys, who said he was in the 20 and back thing.

40:59 He called, you know, fifth density. He said they had a chamber where they'd want to push you into it. And I've never known what the fuck that density shit means, right? You hear it all the time. But he explained something. He goes, he goes, they told me it's like this, but it's not exactly this. But basically, the universe is like a cone, right? So in the bottom rung of the cone, things are more spread out. As you go up in the cone, they're closer together. And so the distances in space, for example, wouldn't be as great for you if you're in a higher density. If you're at the top, like the point of the cone, you just go out your door and you're at the place. It's a way to understand it, he said, but it's not like the exact thing. But anyway, I kind of did get my head around it then. So again, not saying it's true, but that's what I look for.

41:41 So the idea of marionetting people, like you have told me that working in the entertainment industry, you've met people who came from very rich families who have told you things about multi-generational trauma or really rough childhoods. Well, some told me, yeah, okay. So I have one friend who I'm pretty sure was monarch, and I won't say who it is. Sure. But it blew me away when I found out. I'm like, oh, this explains a lot. And it's not like we talk about it a lot, but when I see them, I bring it up. And then there's people who just grew up really wealthy. They know all the names that you've heard.

42:18 You know, so my one friend knows Leon Black's kid. You know, you ever hang out with like trust fund kids where, like, back when I would do Coke in New York, and they always needed you to buy it. Never. Because they're going to get their money at midnight. Their fucking trust money comes in. I've heard of that kind of thing, but it was many degrees away from me. But yeah, well, that's the thing. What you realize is they don't. One friend telling me something I couldn't fucking believe. I'm like, do you understand what you're telling me? How fucking crazy what you're saying to me is? And then, no, they don't. Why? Well, they've been going to therapy since they're like six. That's like church for these people is to send your kid to therapy. What would a six-year-old need therapy for? What did you do to them that they would need to go to fucking therapy? Right. Oh, that's in place of some kind of religion or coherent. And then it's like a weird eugenics family.

43:02 You see a rich family like 10 kids and they're all competing for their spot. It's gross. And then they'll tell you the creepy things they found out in rehab from other rich kids that something bad happened to. Because it's loaded with them. Half the rehabs are just corrupt fucking, you know, they're either the family is paying someone to erase the memory of the kid they abused or they're just corrupt and they get drugs and fucking do whatever and it costs 30 grand, you know, like a nice passage is Malibu. Well, it seems risky, though, to do these kind of things to people and then put them into entertainment or let them actually develop an audience. And in plain sight, it's the best spot. And entertainment has been controlled out of the gate by the worst warlock fucking motherfuckers who ever lived.

43:47 Hollywood's named after a wand. You do magic. But it's imaginary. Yes, that's right. Magic is imaginary. You're underestimating the power of that. You know, what people do. That's imaginary. You don't get it. If you're going to say holographic universe, the whole thing's imaginary. They're going to say any of this shit. It's all magic. So they know that. But again, it's kind of democratic because we all do a consensus reality together. Right? Hey, I want to say the earth's flat now. Well, there's not enough of you for that. We took a vote. It's not. Well, that's the thing. That's they've engineered a lot of consensuses that are absolutely wrong.

44:26 And that becomes the official narrative. And that becomes cemented in our psyche. And it doesn't mean it's true. Well, so if reality is not there until you're looking at it and you're saying the wrong thing, and then you look at like, there's all these like the thing that blows my mind is meanwhile, while debunking this shit, these people that I'll talk to, we just interviewed Neil deGrasse Dyson, who's like, I don't know what he's real company man. Yeah, exactly. And I threw out this thing because I happen to know that NASA, when they found from this telescope, that there's galaxies that are older than they're supposed to be. You've seen that news, right? I mean, you can't know such a thing. Well, based on their math, when this James Wood telescope goes out, they're picking up red shifted galaxies from a time that they said galaxies wouldn't have formed.

45:09 And the worst case scenario for the current idea of what it is is, is that the universe would be like twice as old as they said. Okay. Now, of course, don't worry. We're not going to have a cataclysm like that. You could tell that's Neil deGrasse Tyson's Armageddon if that turned out for some reason. Like, that's how. Turn in your degree, Neil. Turn in your degree. But I happen to know for a fact that NASA, not somebody else, NASA compartmentalized that information for months and months. Then it later gets released to the public and they go, we're not sure what it means yet. But they spent a good long while with it before they had, they put this little mystery out. So I said to Neil, hypothetically, why would they do that? And he goes, well, they didn't. So yeah, well, they didn't.

45:51 But I'm just saying hypothetically. They didn't. I'm not saying hypothetically. They did that. And I want to know why they would do it because why would you need to hide that? Right. I'm curious too. I'm trying to think of just any reason that maybe there's a good reason, but I can't think of it. Can you? Why do they hide the fact that DSMO seems to cure almost everything and cure cancer and anti-parasitic drugs cure cancer? DSMO. Yeah, you'll hear about it. DSMO, it's making all the rounds right now, but it seems like what is it? You have to look it up. It's a chemical or it's like it's dimethyl sulfoxide. It's not methylene blue or something. No, no, it's DMSO is what they call it. It's dimethyl sulfoxide.

46:33 It's a clear, colorless chemical that's derived from wood pulp, but it's also made in a tincer form and they put it in gummies and it's used as a just a supplement. But this supplement is curing all kinds of shit. Yeah, well, I knew about Ivermectin. Yeah. Well, if you look up DMSO on Twitter and you'll just see a huge list of people like, I used to have arthritis. It's gone. I used to have rickets. It's gone. It's whatever it is. It seems to be very effective. But of course, the FDA won't study it. And then they just say, like, if you, if you try to Google it, it'll say there's not enough studies to make any claims. Well, then do the studies. You won't do the studies. Right. It's not up to us.

47:17 Do people don't understand the FDA is already, you know, just because the FDA don't won't study something doesn't automatically make it good, but the FDA is bad. Been corrupted a long fucking time ago. We have already, and you know, you've seen the extent to which fucking RFK could do jack shit about it at the end of the day, right? Like, because we cover that and all the things. And he was talking about, and, you know, he's a lawyer to help people that were killed, damaged by this fucking shit they put in everything. So, and I 100% believe he went in and wants to do it. But guess what? You're only allowed to do what you're allowed to do. So that's why I say, for example, Trump is renaming things like somebody said they're going to, he wanted to rename New Mexico New America because that's what he's allowed to do.

48:01 That's why. He's allowed to rename shit for no apparent reason. Everything else is a plan that he's got to just follow. Yeah. I don't know how it's not clear to everybody, but same with the RFK, same with all these people. Same with the fucking FDA. Try to get Neil deGrasse Tyson to even get an inkling of it, though, while you talk to him. It's impossible because he's a goddamn clipotic husk. It is an interesting premise to think about Trump as like just a spoiled toddler who's like, I want to do this. And like, you can't do that. He's like, well, then I'm going to name it the Gulf of America. And like, well, fine. I don't give a fuck about that. Go ahead and do that. It's like, fine, I did it. I'm the president. I mean, all the presidents are just owned.

48:39 There's not a single one of your lifetime that was not part of the thing that from birth or a very young age was being groomed to be controlled. You know, after they whacked Kennedy and had a coup and America became a goddamn warlock state, they were never going to take a chance because he's from a good family. They're from a real good family. They're not going to take a chance on someone kind of not doing what they want. Even a guy who partook of the MK Ultra sex slave whores like Marilyn Monroe, even a guy that's part of it, Reagan, why Reagan get shot? Because he didn't want to probably do one thing that Bush wanted. And Reagan's a piece of shit, by the way, but I bet you he was like, well, Well, I don't think this one thing seems a little bad.

49:17 I'll bet you it's some shit like that. Yeah, it's you better follow orders, every single one of them. Or, you know, if you do 99%, we'll shoot you for that last 1%. Do it all. Do what we said. Oh, dude, did you see the latest man duct tape to his seat in the plain news that was going around? That seems fake to me. Funny you should say that, dude. Jonathan Khan is the guy that that guy hit. C-A-H-N, Jonathan Khan. He'll be on your Tim Pools and on he's a red heifer messianic Jew. He's a Jew for Jesus, which I thought was called a Christian. But of course, the guy putting out fake stories, his last name is Khan, the Khan Man. Well, it's spelled. I know it's spelled differently, but phonetically. You could twilight it if you want.

49:58 I'll support that. But here's another Twilight for you. I was just thinking about the flock cameras. I mean, shepherds used to call their sheep a flock. And so you have this overarching camera system to watch the sheep. I mean, they're throwing it right in our face. Another good one, I know you just had Old World Florida on. He brought this up, but the 7-Eleven brand of food is called Go Yum, which is like Goyum. Here's your Goyum slop film. Oh, yeah, that's right. He said that, right, right, right, right. Yeah, a little puns and whatever. I love it. I mean, I like finding them, but it seems like they'll mock us all the way down.

50:38 Flock cameras, food for the goyum, and yeah, and the con man, Jonathan Khan. I mean, dude, I used to write pranks like that. I did that. I told you, I did it for Sasha Cohen. It was like run, hide, run, hide, fight. You know, they say for the Ben Shapiro school shooter movie about run hide. That was you? No, for Sasha Cohen for his Showtime show, I had. I thought this was too stupid, too, when I pidged it. I go, it's called Hide. It was active shooter training for an office in Georgia. Yeah, I've seen this bit. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. And he goes, Hide, infiltrate violence or HIV. And he goes, If I give you this HIV, do you promise to spread it to all of your friends?

51:19 Yeah, exactly. They're like, yep. He just went for it. And except the bigger guy went, hey, buddy, you know what that means? He goes, I don't care. He just cut him off. Like, okay. So that's how easy it. And so I've seen that's just for a fucking laugh on a prank show, dude. They have this guy holding a pork shield and gay porn. And it's like, in case Muslims attack. So you go, porn, you're gay. I know. I've seen that too. And they're all just going with it. People follow along. A camera is like this, like the black eye of the alien grays gazing upon you if you're not used to it. It actually is like a skill to get used to that weird still. It's not like doing a stand-up set or something.

52:00 And then people that are savvy with it, I have a friend who's like, yeah, you got to look at the camera like you want to fuck it. And this is a girl, by the way. But this girl was attractive. And I'm like, well, I don't think I should do that. I think that's good for you, but I don't, you don't want to see. Nobody wants to be looking at a camera like that. I know it. But that's a, you know, you could see like, wow, I wouldn't even think to do that. And this girl did because she knew how to use that. That's what all this like magical shit is. And this is, you know, like an astral plane. Think of like trolls or A-loggers or whatever that like milk you as a lol, not you, but you know what I'm saying? Like a lol cow. So there's people, a lol cow that you milk for laughs.

52:41 Right. Right? You get louche. What was that? Louch? Yeah. Right? There's a bunch of fucking trolls, aka reptilians that are hovering in this astral plane of the internet and they're always watching and they find ways to manifest in your life and they go too far, right? When the connection goes too far, they'll fucking, oh, they could SWAT your house. That's worse than a poltergeist attack. That's a worse hitchhiker effect. So you could see these levels of the thing all the way up to the top. And the motives are the same. I don't think it's too hard to discern what all these people are up to. Because, look, if you're going to say you're Christian, for example, and then you act like not a Christian, I easily could tell you're you're full of shit.

53:25 It should be a mystery. Like Andrew Singer, I suspect, is not a singer. Wilson. Andrew Singer is a comic I know. He's fine. Andrew Wilson, the master of debating. I can't grip the fucker. He's Orthodox too. And there's like, you know, Eureka Confederacy of Dunces. Yeah. That's what a lot of these Greek Orthodox, some of whom are my friends, but they remind me of the guy from a Confederacy of dunces who's like, you know, some scholar fatso who's concerned with some in defense of Hrothwitha. He wrote a whole, you know, they're always talking about some saint from like the fifth century, whatever Byzantine bullshit they're still crying about, like the Confederacy.

54:07 Something really weird with that. And there's an Orthodox. op going around, the same as the Sean Ryan Vatican ops. There's something Orthodox where they're really pushing that. And not just like Jay's with our, but I don't think he works for like the Orthodox church beyond that he's Orthodox and is going to push his own religion. There's some kind of psyop thing that's being paid for. I don't know where it's coming from, but I know it's where we got that Tartaria bullshit. You think so? I don't think there's a crossover between Tartaria and it's Russian. It's Russian. They all came out of Russia first. Welfare. Yeah, that's Flamenco's stuff. Oh, I got to do Mystery Boys, dude. Oh, yeah. Okay. Thanks for having me on, man. I'm sorry it took me so long to get my internet working. Of course. Of course. Well, we do need to launch the new meme coin, Kirpwood.

54:52 Thank you. I forgot. Don't forget about that. Free Andrew Tate coin. You can go. Yes. So, Mystery Boys, Derb with Kirp. Thanks for hanging out. Mystery Boys, Hunter Biden laptop coin. It's the future. Yes. Dude, I asked Duncan if Hunter was running for office because why is he showing up on all these shows? Exactly. And he is, by bet. I think Coffeezilla is right. And he, because that's the thing you do now is have a fucking you got to rug pull everybody and then uh you're fit for office for some reason. So trade in your laptop coin if you still have it for Kirpwood and you know all your wildest dreams will come true. Guys, frazzled ribcoin. That's the next big thing. I'm hearing frazzled.ripcoin. Yes. All right, man. Well, thank you for spending the time with me. And we'll talk again. Yo, come do mystery boys.

55:37 Put me in the group. Oh, I'll do it right now, babe. Bye. Okay. Wow. What a ride. White Precious himself. And I wore my loudest shirt for that interview because I knew he would dress for the occasion as well. He is a wild man who's quick with the comedy and has the eidetic memory, I think is the term. They say photographic memory as people think of it is not real, but some people do have an eidetic memory, and he thinks he has one of these, and it makes sense to me. And that paired with the comedy and the drug background and his energy levels and his upbringing.

56:17 It just all makes for a very unique character. His recall for random, obscure information is pretty much unmatched, but that makes interviews with Kurt kind of tough because he does work best in stream of consciousness mode. And I learned pretty quickly that the time I put into a methodical structure and trying to set him up for the subjects that I like listening to Kurt talk about most, that was largely wasted time. But you never know what you're going to get in the stream of consciousness. I wish we didn't have a Joe Rogan reference in the first five minutes, which turned into a bit of a thing because I understand why people are so critical.

57:00 And they think he's been pacified by his friendships with Elon Musk and friendly relationships with Trump and Peter Thiel. People do not like that. And at the same time, Kurt is a good friend of Joe's. And Kurt even said to me later that he considers Joe maybe the best person he's ever met in the entertainment business. Well, great. Good friends should defend their friends, even when it's hard and the critics are loud. But I am not Joe Rogan's friend. I don't know him at all. And the timing of this interview became pretty wild because I understand now that I think the day we recorded this was the day that the big elephant graveyard video came out criticizing the whole Rogan sphere.

57:49 And I think Kurt must have known about that. And that's why it was fresh on his mind. But I didn't know that at the time. So I wasn't expecting such a visceral defense of Rogan or for him to keep coming up and all this. I certainly wasn't planning on it. But now this Elephant Graveyard video is at like 3.5 million views. It's hard for me to find a colleague that hasn't seen it. Kurt also told me he is confident that this anonymous person is funded by the Canadian government, the Canadian version of the DNC, to be more specific.

58:27 And I don't know. That sounded kind of weird to me at first, but I can see his perspective that certain forces out there want to tear down places that were resistant to the COVID group think because they want future operations to go better. I think that's why they killed the holistic doctors, too. And I think that's a reasonable take on some level. So this is after the fact, but I have to add this in because you know I like decoding and wordplay. But to add to the argument that this account is not just a guy doing his thing, but is politically motivated and something he's even maybe being employed to do. Again, from Kurt, if you unpack the term elephant, elephant graveyard, the elephant is the symbol of the right.

59:08 So, to call the channel elephant graveyard, it does seem like there's a specific agenda there. It'll be interesting to see who they choose as their next target. And we could go back to see who they've targeted in the past. But if it is all just some state-sponsored blue team attack on those outside of their little club, it does kind of reduce down to just political propaganda. And I don't know, but decoding that term does kind of resonate with me. But as I've talked more to Kurt about this, because I am in the group chat now, that's right. I'm in there. I'm in turning point. Sam Tripoli, 2.0s, think tank. I've earned my stripes and it's official. I have a lot of people to thank that helped make this possible, but I don't want to get distracted anyway.

59:51 But what do the critics actually want Joe to do? I will kind of side with Kurt on that. He's probably got thousands of guests at this point, and people have a problem with what, 20, maybe 30 specific people, specific interviews. He could just not do those interviews, but then people who are curious and want to listen with a critical ear wouldn't have those conversations to assess. As Kurt said in today's interview, it is all data and he would prefer more data, not less. It's the New York Times interview with Peter Thiel where he says he doesn't know if he would want humanity to endure that is so telling.

1:00:30 I'm glad that interview got done. Anyway, some people might say, well, we want him to be more critical and more combative and ask tougher questions. But he's never really been that kind of host. And if he does that, he might not have those interviews either. And what's more important is that it doesn't actually do anything to change the reality. I guess when you really ask the question, what do you want the UFC guy to do about this stuff? What do you want him to do differently? It's hard to come up with anything really solid.

1:01:06 Because even if this is like alternative media mockingbird 2.0, every person has to use their own discernment about every single thing they take in. It always comes back to personal responsibility because everyone is trying to influence public perception on all sorts of things all the time. It's not unique to JRE guests. He just talks to people. He doesn't direct policy or sign these contracts with Palantir or other surveillance companies. He is kind of an easy target. But if half the hate was directed at people signing these deals or putting taxpayer money into these programs, maybe that actually would make an impact.

1:01:51 I'm just kind of playing devil's advocate here. But everyone has their criticisms, though. What should even be expected of the podcaster? I think it's worth taking a deep breath and asking that question. Even if the criticisms are accurate, what is the thing that he realistically could be doing that he isn't doing that would please these critics? One area where I think the criticisms are quite valid, though, is the advertisers. Who owns these companies? Who are you shilling products for? And isn't it interesting that sometimes some of these podcasts are criticizing the very people that they're cutting for an ad break for?

1:02:32 Because ownership is so convoluted in this damn country that a lot of times it does filter back to BlackRock or some Rockefeller-funded company. So that's a valid criticism. It's why we don't do ads around here. We still make it work. Another big theme or takeaway from this interview was what I've been thinking about since Professor Jang and I were hanging out. And he said, these people don't usually feel the need to openly threaten anybody. It's so much easier to be nice and flatter them and just say, hey, we love what you do. You're really great at it. Would you like to come to a dinner party at Peter's house? And maybe we can even get you some really good interviews too.

1:03:15 We know a lot of folks. It's basic networking, really. It's why journalists were always supposed to have boundaries and decline such invitations. But these days it's so much muddier because a lot of people doing the interviews aren't trained journalists and don't claim to be. You do also see people in the conspiracy research community who are constantly calling out their colleagues as shills and spooks. And right or wrong, they usually don't get very far and oftentimes fizzle out into obscurity because they burned all their bridges and don't play nice with others. That is a thing too. A good example of that would be like Jason Horsley, not to throw him under the bus or start another.

1:03:59 another drama-fueled back and forth. But you know, he basically said on the show during our interview, I don't really like you. And I was like, That is fine, I will be the butt of the joke because it's funny to hear someone talk so boldly. And I even had him back shortly after to talk about a different book. But you can only talk to people in your network so much before they're like, you know what? You go do your thing. I don't need that. And then look what happens. No shade to Jason. I like his books. I wish him well. Finding the middle ground is important doing what we do here.

1:04:41 After a long, many years, I've been coming out of my hole more often, really in the wake of losing a good friend because I decided that one or two good friends was enough. So I've tried to adjust course and be more open to things now that one of my major outlets is gone. And I try not to just say no all the time like I used to. So I took the Danny Jones invite and had dinner with Jang, who I like, though many people think he's a Chinese spy. And now I'm a Chinese spy. And now I like Sam and Kurt. They're both within the overall Rogan sphere. And this is happening at a time when the critics of those folks are loudest.

1:05:25 I don't know. It's not lost on me how quick you can find yourself not wanting to be critical of people who have been cool to you or their friends that you don't even know. I've never liked to make waves or be directly confrontational. It's not really my personality type. But if you saw my Twitter fight a few days ago, you wouldn't believe it because the other day I woke up and I chose violence. I don't want to spend too much time on the Jay Dyer Twitter fight, but Kurt did have the Jay Dyer background and we referenced him a few times. Anytime Kurt just said Jay, that's who he was talking about for context.

1:06:05 I don't know if everyone had that context, but what had happened was I was going back over the tributes and posts about Gordon when he died, trying to get my timeline straight for a tribute clip show. And I just got pissed seeing a lot of those really shitty comments under those posts once again. And Gordon really had two types of critics. He had those who would say he was an alt-right COVID vacciner. And those people are correct. No, I mean, I'm kind of kidding. They're just not serious people. They're an occult and they'll say the same thing about me when I die, no matter how far away we are from it.

1:06:46 So fuck those people. But then he also has the critics that talk shit because he was gay and talk shit because of their Christian bias towards magic and the occult. And a lot of those early shitty comments were able to be made because the death announcement was so vague. So, you know, I go back and I see people saying things like, well, he must have tried to suck off the wrong demon or he probably got beaten to death by the father of some Central American Twink he was trying to fuck. It's like, damn, this is like a day or two after his death. And people are commenting stuff like this on his friends' posts.

1:07:25 And then you look at their account and it's almost always an anonymous person with Christian in their bio with a profile picture of a shining cross or buff Jesus. And I was just stewing and trying to work out why there are so many of these accounts and why they like some of my stuff and follow me, but then say this nasty stuff. And it's because they are just following these examples of a lot of these Christian conspiracy podcasters who exemplify that behavior and build it into their brands. And their little followers think it's cool and funny while also claiming I'm Christian, so I'm good, no matter how shitty my behavior is.

1:08:03 So I basically just lost my cool and Twitter ranted about how Gordon was a shamanic healer who made a really tight, completely kind-hearted and positive magical community online. And you can petition them for intentions or prayers if you need something. They're very supportive and helpful of others. And to see those sort of shitty commentators trying to insinuate that they have the moral superiority because they use the label Christian but act like an asshole. Yeah, it does piss me off. And Kurt said it perfectly in the show. I don't really care what you believe or how you label yourself.

1:08:42 I care how you act. And Gordon's actions and behaviors were so much further above those sort of shit talkers that it's crazy to me. Anyway, I wrote this post vetting about that. And man, I didn't realize how many people would come out of the woodwork to either think I was talking about them or make guesses and name names of who I might be talking about. And someone named Jay Dyer. And I said, well, look, Jay is not who I was thinking about here at all. I like Jay's esoteric Hollywood books a lot, actually. But he did make this. And I shared his shitty music video for a song he made called We Was Kangs.

1:09:22 And if you know anything about the We Was Kangs meme, it's a racial mockery of black people who think in the past they had a high society back in Africa, which is really not that far-fetched to me at all, especially if we talk about like rises and falls of civilization. Michelle Gibson talks about the Moors. They were a high society. They might have traveled to America and built a lot of infrastructure that the colonizers moved into. They were black, and also Egypt is in Africa, right? But instead of thinking that their whole history is bones in the nose and squatting in the dirt, there are black scholars who talk about African royalty and the destruction of their own wealth and deep history, whatever.

1:10:07 I find it interesting. I don't go too far into all that. Ross Ben has been on here talking about the king of Ethiopia and the complex lost language of Gaez. And there might be something to that stuff. But the point is that the We Was Kangs meme is something that the based whites love to do to mock and talk shit on black people who think they might have had a deeper, more elevated history or society in history. But Jay Dyer, who lectures on Christian orthodoxy and morals and ethics, also fancies himself a comedian who makes stuff like that. He only tries to use the comedian label when he's being super shitty about black or gay people.

1:10:50 Funny how it works out. So even though I didn't have him in mind, he does fit the general scope of my framing with the post. And he went off on me hard just for sharing his own work, which he should be proud of, right? So I DM'd him and I said, hey, man, look, this got way out of control. I don't really want to keep it going. I don't really like conspiracy drama or just counterculture drama with other people in the space. I was just sad about my dead friend, and the critics of him got me riled up. And I got mad about how these critics are so bold because of this based Christian archetype from Andrew Wilson and Tucker right on down.

1:11:30 And you, Jay, do embody that sometimes. And instead of simply saying, you know what, man, I get it. I'm sorry for your loss. Take care, which is what most normal people would say. Even if you sign offline and you turn to your wife in private and say, you know what? Fuck that guy. I never liked him much. He's an asshole. I'm never going to interact with him again. You can do that like I did. It's easy to just be polite and a little understanding and then walk away. It's what any normal human being would do. But no, he basically said, I was a liar. I wasn't upset about my dead friend. And he said that since I'm so Gnostic, I should be happy he died because he escaped the prison planet, right?

1:12:15 But again, even though Jay is obsessed with pegging me as his specific definition of a Gnostic, I don't claim to be that. And then he said, Dead Christians didn't kill your gay friend and made reference to Gordon's gay prayer group and shared my follow-up post saying that it's the gayest cope he'd ever seen and that he's done dealing with my moral superiority. He's dealt with it for years. No more. And I don't think I'm morally superior. I fuck up a lot. I've made huge mistakes in the past, but we are 40. We should all learn how to at least just not be a complete dick and de-escalate stuff.

1:12:54 Then the following day, he did this big live stream. I mean, it's probably like 45 minutes just about me. I mean, it's in a longer live stream, but a big 45-minute section is just basically reading the titles of my episodes in a shitty voice, calling me Greg Carl Lode, which is a really weak, insulting nickname. You can't do better. I mean, Greg Cringe would be a lot better. It has a better ring to it, too. But even in his clapping back, he has to call me gay and use terms like Carl Lode, said I was a loser, Gnostic, Libtard.

1:13:31 But I'm way more conservative than he probably realizes, living a pretty trad lifestyle, raising two blonde-haired, blue-eyed kids outside of the city, unvexed, who don't have access to screens. But because I don't like his shitty comments about people he doesn't have any respect for because they aren't in his cult, I must be a libtar. libtard. There is no middle ground between just completely right-wing-based asshole and soft soy boy liberal cuck. It's like, dude, I told you I was frustrated because some people have a complete lack of empathy about this guy's death because of just this difference in his lifestyle. But he's still a human being who had real friends who are really sad that he's gone.

1:14:12 And you still, in my face, after saying that, have to make gay jokes. Man, I really wish we could pull out of this slow-moving car crash, Jay. I just can't imagine being that heartless and shitty, even to a stranger, let alone a guy I've kind of known and been cool with for 15 years. What kind of reasonable adult acts like that? So, yeah, that is the really long, boring explanation of what happened with Jay and why there are so many Jay Dyer references in this episode and why we settled on that very Jay Dyer background for Kurt. Because again, me and Kurt, we're barely even acquaintances, but Kurt is a good guy who doesn't like to see that shit happen.

1:14:55 And so he decided to openly mock it. And I'm appreciative. But I've had very little drama in the history of THC. Really only gotten into it with three fellow colleagues: Jan Irvin, Stephen Greer, and now Jay Dyer. And all three are people who are known for constantly getting into it with everyone and being completely combative and all that shit. So I feel pretty good about where I stand, even still. And for those who are Christian, I don't care. I care about how you act. But those folks give you a bad name. Are you a decent person? Then we're good. All right. Well, so much drama and shit talking going on.

1:15:35 I really just want to get back to talking about multi-generational trauma, rich families fracturing the consciousness of their kids, demon walk-ins, and sick occult rituals. And I tried to get back there in this interview when I could, but you can't tame a wild stallion. And I didn't want to get hung up on the Jonathan Khan thing either because it just seems like such a small, irrelevant thing. But this is the story that he was referencing. This Jewish author was flying home to New Jersey after promoting his book, The Altar of Pergamon, I think is what it's called. But ding, ding, ding. In all the stories you read, they make note that he was flying home after promoting his book.

1:16:17 And it's like, why wouldn't you just say guy was on airplane? People are on airplanes all the time. But it's like, because they're trying to wrap that book promotion into the story. But he was sitting on the plane, this rabbi, talking to the guy next to him for several hours. And then after they got into religious talk and Khan started talking about Christianity and his personal testimony, this is the quote from the article I read. The guy attacked him. And this guy had to be held down and duct taped to his chair by other passengers who actually said this in a news story. I could go get it. I could play it. But, you know, the news interviewed the guys, the brave men who tackled this guy and duct taped him to his chair.

1:17:00 And they say in the interview, I mean, a week before 9-11, I just couldn't sit there and do nothing. I mean, this is just so fake. And it's all promo for this rabbi's book. It's trash. I don't care. It's a story most people haven't even heard. But whatever. We got what we got. But I am in the group chat. And I'm thankful that he wanted to come on and that he gives me so many shout outs when he's doing much bigger podcasts on his own. So it's all good. Whew. Well, I really didn't want to go so deep on Joe Rogan and I definitely didn't plan on bringing the Jay Dyer thing up on the air at all.

1:17:43 I wanted to take the high road and not mention it, or I would have talked about it last show where it was relevant. But when it gets referenced throughout an interview, I feel like as a good host, I just need to give the people who aren't on Twitter some context. So that is actually what I often feel like I am doing. And at least now you can kind of follow, at least in retrospect, what was being said in that interview, even when it's about something dumb. All right. Speaking of the last show, though, Lance Baker, Matt Dragonstone, the Pleiadian Pendulum set, and the big ritual contact attempt.

1:18:22 I expected a better aggregate review score, but it's sitting at a 4.5, lower than I expected, lower than most shows, even. But I tried to do something outside of the box. And it's true that the people who liked it really liked it, but I knew it wasn't going to be for everyone. I did get a lot of enthusiastic comments from people that were just really engaged with seeing someone. someone without magical talents or inclinations go through this process and be so candid about it. I acknowledge that's pretty rare to see. It's why I broke it all down like I did.

1:18:58 But, oh well, this is another one that I am sure is going to appeal bigly to a completely different part of the audience. And then a lot of other people will say, I prefer shows with researchers, not other podcasters or comedians, which I do plan to get back to. I was looking at the bookshelf the other day. Tons of great books that are ripe for solo shows. I just want to get back to the good content and get away from any and all drama, really. So bear with me. It's happening. All right. As for the meetup calendar, hiresidemeetups.com. You can make an event or you can go to one that someone else has made. Let's read what we have on that calendar.

1:19:42 All right. We're starting with a new one. Acorn Brewing in Edgewood, Washington, October 3rd. And then we have also on October 3rd, Cobden, Illinois, Feather Hills Vineyard and Winery. October 4th, Urbana, Illinois, Riggs Brewing. October 11th, Upper Depot Brewing, Hudson, New York. And October 26th, North Coat Point, Auckland, New Zealand, North Coat Tavern. I mean, who said people aren't drinking anymore? We are trying to single-handedly keep these microbrews afloat, right? All right, that's about it for this one. Try not to be a condescending, judgmental, bitter asshole and be able to go to bed satisfied with your behavior for the day, right?

1:20:28 At least that's what I tell my kids, though. Some of us at 40 are still trying to figure it out. Anyway, this was a whirlwind, a real roller coaster all over the map. Hopefully, you got something out of it. Take care, you and yours. I'm out of here. Big thanks to Kurt for taking the time. Your move, propaganda spreading, prankster Zionists, ritual theater LARPers, and Noahide Techno State supporters. Your fucking move. I blew another first date where I told myself I'd keep it alive. She may not be as awake as me, but we can have a good time staying up tonight. She was giving me the look. Things were starting to cook.