Topic: 20 And Back

Kurt Metzger recounts an explanation of "fifth density" from Daryl James, a claimant of the "20 and Back" secret space program. The theory describes the universe as a cone where distances decrease as one moves toward the tip, allowing for instantaneous travel. Metzger uses this to contrast the "positive alien" narrative of Preston Dennett with the more traumatic accounts of abductees.

The host recaps the discussion with Steve and Kyle, praising their research into CERN and the "Cult of the Black Cube." He previews the second hour of the show available to Plus members, which covers topics like the Sai Kung Barrier, Antarctica, the Ark of Gabriel, and the "20 and Back" program. The host expresses a desire to have the guests return in the future to explore more Fortean outliers.

In the Plus segment preview, Carlwood mentions discussing the "20 and Back" secret space program, though he expresses skepticism due to the behavior of figures like Corey Goode and David Wilcock. The hosts also discuss the idea of growing food forests and cultivating abundance on rural land, specifically in Tennessee and Colorado.