Gordon White | The Dominant Of Witchcraft: Charles Fort, Elite Rituals, & Space Scouts

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01:00 Alright Hiresight Chatters, as we turn the page on a new year it's only natural to assess our point in the timeline how accurate our maps have been and how they should maybe be altered for the next chapter in this big and complex cosmic script. Because to me this nefarious novella reads like a paradoxical combination of predictable cliches and off-the-wall Shyamalan plot twists So find your spot around the campfire's edge as we examine questions like which deep state derived subplots should we follow and which ones are roads to nowhere? How aligned are we with ways of thinking that won't drive us mad, what are the latest schemes of our scaly villains of empire and where the fuck have all the heroes gone.

01:41 Cause personally this boiling frog has been getting a bit too warm lately and I'd love to find some ways to turn down the heat. So today we're checking back in with one of my favorite cooks in the chaotic and conspiratorial kitchen, serving up a hearty bowl of rune soup for the eighth time Gordon White? You know him well as he's the man whose magic splained the ancient world and starships taught us how not die in the chaos protocols and made us take a good hard look at pig chimp hybrid mirror in the archives of podcasts past It's always a pleasure to have him back, the Jack Sparrowing headmaster of his own digital Hogwarts and the higher side's personal professor of the dark arts. Pulling ahead of Nick Redfern once again to take the lead in the never-ending horse race of THC airtime, The thrice great Gordon Greenacreswhite! Welcome back my man

02:29 That was amazing. And I'm glad you mentioned the Redfern horse race, because that was obviously going to be my first question what number is Nick at? Yes yes still seven so yeah You're in the lead. Yes, I love it man just another day at the office and I do have Harry Potter on the brain because I spent The first week of 2018 sick as a dog in bed and my first official accomplishment Of the year was sadly just watching eight Harry Potter movies back-to-back which really kills that I'm gonna get shit done this year buzz But how are things with you man officially moved onto the farm? And another step away from the clutches of the Archons It seems huh

03:06 Yeah, so second week onto the farm in southern Tasmania and so far it's been which has been I mean we've known each other for a while now. This is the end of the beginning of a multi-year plan and so far it's shaping up as we'd hoped Nice. Yeah, man that's amazing it is really just great to see you putting all those plans into action the chaos protocols basically into action and of course last year we talked about it being the year we get everything wrong looking at bad solutions to bad problems And I've already heard you refer to 2018 as the year of mind control, which I think says it all because I see some of us doing a lot of huffing and puffing about things that really don't matter that much and missing things that might be changing our lives forever. And I'm as guilty as anyone but to kick this off what are the biggest blips on the conspiratorial concerns radar that you think an alternative thinker should be paying the most attention to given all the chaos?

04:05 Sure i'm not even sure it's just alternative thing is at the moment but its add a base level if you don't have a kind of informed and sufficient understanding of the range of. tactics that fall under my control from the kind of stuff we know exist with maybe others don't from the fifty science fiction version of it which certainly exists all the way down to advertising effectively if you have an understanding that this thing can be played like an organ, choose a conversation on local national.

04:41 planetary basis, then you are probably one of the pipes in that organ. I think that's the main way just you're not going to get anything right if you don't take that first step and kind of realize that 2018 well even 2017 but it the principal battlefield is the mind with that being said the stuff that i think everyone's missing the things that people particularly americans are scared about but shouldn't be Some other country is going to fire missiles at the United States. This is not a thing you need to be worried about No one would ever do that if up If you actually look at just the admitted military assets and infrastructure in the US versus every other country And there's sort of next went down The next ones down are all allies like Japan and the UK anyway, no one is No one is coming for Hawaii

05:34 Or anywhere else. So once you remove that fear, a lot of stuff starts to look different but it also every time you remove maybe one of these misperceptions what happens is your level of personal responsibility ratchets up a notch as you ratchet down the misperception and I think a lot of people don't like that. They think that's oh so i guess we're not all gonna die in nuclear conflagration, I should look at my 401K and that I mean that's sort of facetious example but no really So that would be the main one. In the alternative space is the persistent mind virus and it's, you know engineered we're talking about mind control that God Emperor Trump is here to save you and upturn a deep state in everything will be good. That's I mean we just been through 18 months of their presidency and that's not correct

06:30 There is absolutely a whole lot of downsizing and collapsing of different nests of vipers going on in that permanent government world. But where it gets engineered is when you get to this low resolution idea, where one side is the good guys and the other side is the bad guys. You've been doing this long enough to know that they're all bad. Yeah I agree man! And your Trump comments might have just answered my next question but also was gonna say Yeah, it seems unlikely that some other country would decide to give us an excuse to spend all this money that we invest in our war tech. But you know our government might hit us with something marked with someone else's name can't rule that out

07:11 Yeah, that's very true. I think though well that has historically happened from crop dusting black neighborhoods in Philadelphia during the Cold War to test different vaccines that happens the US government has done that for quite some time right and it certainly been doing false flags since the end of the 19th century but it probably won't be you might get a dirty bomb but they wouldn't simulate a russian strike because your infrastructure is bad enough as it is they want to ruin anymore i think if the, i think you're gonna blame a foreign power it'll probably be emps or things that put the infrastructure into place so yes don't worry about the missiles there are things to be concerned about but and i use the word concern deliberately because. The one thing that you must do in the one thing that can let me take away from you just don't give interfere

08:03 These are intense times time to transition things can definitely be going better in a lot of places. Fear will just impact your amygdala's ability to accurately make decisions and make informed decisions, and this is exactly when you need it. So don't give into fear whatever you need to do And even if it's just deep breathing in meditation from a geopolitics perspective from an astrological forecast perspective This is about see here. This is very turbulent so know that and deep breathe there Fair enough. And, you know I did forget exactly where you said it but you did say it or I wouldn't have written it down here but the point about 2018 the year of mind control... You say the only way I can rationalize how crazy America has gotten is mind control

08:51 And I'll take that, hit us with it. But maybe you can elaborate a little more outside of Trump mania because we might be too close to the forest to see the trees and from an outsider perspective what do you see us being subjected to or where are these mind control elements being injected in ways that might be uniquely American? And not necessarily just on the right. Yeah absolutely! It's THC so we could talk about this kind of stuff You guys have the best mobile coverage in the world and you're getting a lot of your first come up with things like five g and so on so if we talking mind control in the sense of embedded thoughts and the actual hijacking of someone's nervous system and brain

09:34 And I think it's difficult to understand some of the more bizarre mass shootings that have happened in the last couple of years without that. And I think they're kind of testing the levels on, you know, on the ray gun if you will. That appears to be in play there and that's one of them that is currently exclusively American because again, it does require this sort of crowded electromagnetic spectrum that you guys have an other places are sort of building up to That would be a main one from the idea virus. The biggest ones from countries like so 95% of the world's population lives outside the US and when we look in at the things that you guys are scared off and the things that are of concern, the first one is this embedded fear that there're all these enemies who were coming to destroy you and you can't imagine what that looks like from the outside it's crazy! And then of course there is in the alternate well probably the deliberate

10:30 atomization of different groups but this sort of persistent strain on the internet alt-right, of Trump as God Emperor that's one of them. You get a similar reaction on the left which we've also seen and so I'm not necessarily sure if that's... well you can call it mind control because some of those memes and mind viruses in positions that you get on the far left Quite clearly plug into state and non-state actors to you know either push agendas or whatever it is they're doing doesn't matter what it means the signal is not clean. So that's one of them and then there's the other thing which I don't know if its mind control just perceptual error is the one that annoys me most in many respects is the

11:15 liberal centrist delusion that things used to be good and they're bad now. They've always been bad, it's as simple as that I mean Trump is patently racist in the words that he says but one of the countries called a shit hole. United states has been collapsing and interfering with over century and the candidate he ran against her husband basically harvested a whole bunch of charity money to give today millionaire and billionaire friends put industry into haiti, rather than rebuild the place so he said some gross words about it

11:51 And that one collapsed things. I think it's that binary, the people... There is the same thing with Libya like all these countries he uses the shithole term for thanks to Obama Clinton intervention in Libya The slave industry has returned there for the first time in centuries So one of them says bad words and the other one will harvest the first black republic on the planet and bring slavery back to Africa by their actions not their words What this means because usually and this is where the mind virus or the perceptual error comes in if I bring that up That is not a pro-trump statement, right? That is the statement. I made at the beginning of the show which is they're all bad and You will fall into the trap like getting another bad person And thinking you've fixed things If you go oh he said some terrible words we should have this one instead

12:40 It's the same project this is not where the answer comes when i get some of it surprised and there's presumably. I'm sure if you looked for it and you pulled on threads, you would find that deliberate seeding of these ideas out in social media now. But I guess I'm a bit surprised that 18 months on people still haven't worked that out? People still think this entirely co-opted fully corrupt and supportive of most of Trump's policies in particular the surveillance ones that is the sort of corporate democratic party you have now. I'm really surprised that people think that's a viable alternative like ah Well, Trump's awful which he is. We should get these guys in but they're also awful! Have you not worked that out?

13:21 Oh man, yeah I so agree and it's just like there is a think tank with a piggy bank behind fucking everything. And it's just so annoying when you feel like there is one genuine movement and then you find out nope not this one either. It's just words in tweets are easier to pay attention than international covert ops. So we don't pay attention to actions but we do pay attention to the words plus media is actually telling us about the words they didn't necessarily tell us about other stuff Well, they didn't. And it comes back to the ratcheting up of personal responsibility again which is correct this is correct for everyone I'm sure people listening to this get it but the Democratic Party is not the solution to the dumpster fire that is like both sides of the aisle management of the United States and thus the empire It is not the solution and the reason I think people want it to be Is they don't have to do anything else then They can complain on Twitter

14:19 and Facebook obviously, and go oh it would have been so much better if this happened or so on. It wouldn't! The problem is not with the flapping head at the front of it And I think that's the cognitive error that people don't want to look at Also they have to own the horror of it because as you do and as I do when people...and we can use it as a glass half full let's do this glass half full For ten years, I've certainly been writing about and you've been looking at the footprint of empire around the world. Obama's drone strikes intervention in Syria, intervention in Libya and Ukraine and all this kind of stuff when you get nary a peep out of anyone on Facebook until

15:02 and there has been a geostrategic pivot with Trump, but nevertheless you still have that same flouncing about the planet demanding what's best for the United States attitude that you get with Trump. It's a different mode of it and all of a sudden people have noticed and I—it's taken me awhile to get over my frustration and i guess The Glass Half Full is like well at least now people who were denying it before i'm willing to talk about things like drone strikes and syrian intervention because glass awful maybe because he is so unlike a bull. over the next few years, more people will grow to a more THC awareness that the actual problem is empire rather than whatever figurehead they trot out in front of it to get the country arguing for awhile. Fair enough! Well if the influence of my sigils has any impact then they will have a more THC mindset for sure. Gold. So

15:55 Maybe that is a silver lining and to further the point, we're probably going to dip in and out of talking about cycles. But I've also heard you note that 2018 looks to be a panic year based on both the models of economist Martin Armstrong and the astrological cycles watched by Austin Koppik which is probably a predisposition to make people aware of along with citing the timeless advice from the classic Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy and saying don't panic. Yeah there's something If i tell you when can i hit you and then i hear you will be annoyed but you won't be surprised and if u know that this year is going to be choppy and all signs point to yes when the shop happens, would you hit the turbulence on the flight.

16:43 You know it's coming so you don't think the planes crashing okay this is that turbulence and people who can i want to dive into it i think depending on when this comes out of the couple weeks ago i had a talk about the cycle model in the end last year i had asked him talking about twenty eighteen. and you can kind of listen to those two in conjunction, and get parts of the year where all these models which model the cyclical nature of reality overlap. You say this is going to be a bit of a pain point or quite bad if there's going to be military conflict in the Middle East it's here and so on. The benefit of doing these things, and in a sense the macro benefit

17:23 Having a cycle model of your own so like thinking sickly which is i think born out by the empirical evidence. Is you going to the bad stuff but you know good stuff comes because that's the site so it gives me an opportunity if not thinking the plane is crashing or this is in fact armageddon and just get this is this is a bad period when you know that thats kind of literally in the stars it's easier to do that don't give into fear and sort of move through it because eventually the turbulence clears up. So yes, there is a bunch of different models here and I think the fact that this year in particular they align because what I was talking about with Armstrong's model, he said he looked into astrology and it didn't match his cycle model but I think he did that when he was putting together in late seventies and late seventies astrology is terrible

18:17 If you haven't looked at it in the last 20 years, it's a whole new day. And I suspect that he hasn't looked at some of the longer cycles and kind of Greco-Egyptian late antique era stuff that has been quite rigorously and diligently picked over and examined by this sort of new crop of astrologers because there are lot more lines up. This year in particular since I've been paying more attention to astrology as well as Armstrong model, this year in particular the fit is quite good So that itself may say something. But yes, from the Socrates perspective it's a panic year and from a 2018 perspective astrologically it's an exciting year in the stars! So we just...we can know that. We can know that what is coming and that is at least to help

19:02 Yeah, and the immortal words of Scar be prepared. And speaking of panic I wanted to ask you just a little bit more about this Hawaii missile warning false alarm because you have such a well-defined model of consciousness and its effects in the physical world and the most interesting theory i've heard about what this could be is that it would tie into something like Princeton's global consciousness project based on Jung's new sphere idea. Basically a test measuring consciousness effects and if that's true, an island is a great place to run a test but to further the idea of a deeper game going on, If you look at the logo for the Hawaii Emergency Management System, It's nearly in exact match for the all CNI seal on the dollar

19:49 you know, that just subs out a volcano for a pyramid. And I've heard several numerological clues cited also and maybe I'm descending into conspiracy madness in the first 15 minutes here but what say you? There are two scenarios and it's probably, well the one that we can definitively rule out is that its human error. So there are two scenarios. There's the one you more or less described where basically subjected to this is mind control thing like continuous ops so you're more informed about global news the less news particularly watch from a broadcast perspective The whole so much stuff thats happened in the last 18 months has been

20:28 not just wrong, it's been faked. And so yes if you were going to ramp that up and start this would be a good place much like using the kind of quote unquote full blown mind control to test rogue mass shooters shooting up churches and all the rest of it This would be a good place to test what happens...what the panic reaction is in the event of a fake missile attack That's one of them So it could be almost sociological test to see what happens to people in that we've only got a few minutes-to-live situation. It could be a consciousness exercise, but it also could have actually—and this is what we can't yet rule out because it's still early days—it could have been something in the sky. We've lost a satellite and just launched another Knights Templar one. I wake up this morning here in Tasmania when there was another similar missile alert

21:21 in Japan, overnight my time and there's this one. So we also had whatever that completely faked well not completely faked but highly suspicious long announcement of UFO stuff at the end of last year so there is stuff in the sky were losing stuff in the sky where admitting this stuff in the sky and we now have because here a bit it was a 38 minute gap right? So oh whoops I hit that we're all gonna die button In that thirty eight minutes something happens so it's either i'd be more inclined along your line if it was thirty three minutes but its thirty eight and so i'm just wondering if maybe there is something in the sky that was going fast enough to look like a missile but always behaving differently and say these people were actually sure

22:05 if what they were seeing was a missile. Because now, you know Japan had one we're losing stuff all over the place then the private companies are insisting that we haven't so there's a lot of dodgy stuff going on from a space perspective and what the radar picked up may well have been something like that I love it what about thirty eight equaling eleven or am i doing wrong that mean anything numerology isn't what a lot of people think is numerologies sort of semi recent hobby you can kind of count down There are earlier systems of matching numbers to significance and obviously numbers to letters, and Kabbalah is a very good example. But sometimes you see people going, oh well this happened in 1891 so we're gonna add these together and seven is the seventh letter of the alphabet. That kind of thing is actually new

22:57 Is a parlor game really rather than the proper magic stuff when you see them doing high ritual. The number staff is more complex than that and then much more interested in anniversaries and timing when it's like you know the behind the curtain ritual lists, The dates are more important and the times are more important than adding the numbers together, which is again it's sort of like a Victorian hobby. It doesn't have that you can do it like you can use there have been ciphers that have been used in magic but the one that I most commonly see in that kind of alternate research field doesn't go far back enough to satisfy

23:34 my requirements for it being quote-unquote proper magic. So I don't know, maybe the 38 means something to someone but if you can bring it down to 11 and go okay well maybe that's what the signaling is. It could well be! But at the moment especially given the new other faked one in Japan there could just be stuff flying around particularly as that's the... What we're seeing is that Pacific pivot so That corner of the sort of west of Hawaii and east of China is the emerging flashpoint. So it's not that surprising that you start to see weird stuff there. Interesting, yeah it's always hard for me with the numerology because you can always add numbers up to equal one of those special numerals in some combination but something in the sky is definitely provocative and I also

24:24 Copied this down. I just wanted to read an excerpt from Princeton's global consciousness project because if this missile warning wasn't connected We should be on the lookout for world events that are Because this is kind of insane so reading from the website of the project The Global Consciousness Project is an international multidisciplinary collaboration Of scientists and engineers we collect data continuously from a global network of physical random number generators located in up to 70 host sites around the world at any given time. The data are transmitted to a central archive which now contains more than 15 years of random data and parallel sequences of synchronized 200-bit trials generated every second Our purpose is to examine subtle correlations that may reflect the presence and activity of consciousness in the world

25:13 We hypothesize that there will be structure in what should be random data associated with major global events that engage our minds and hearts. Subtle but real effects of consciousness are important scientifically, but their real power is more immediate." They encourage us to make essential healthy changes in the great scheme that dominates our world. Large-scale group consciousness has effects in the physical world, knowing this we can intentionally work towards a brighter more conscious future." So to me it sounds like exactly the sort of test project that this would have been a part of and they even throw in that last line of, We're doing this for the good of humanity and that line always is a red flag to me

25:55 Yeah, and there is presumably some of these test centers in Japan so they do have the opportunity now to see if there is a not only a change but if the change in random numbers that would've happened in Hawaii the other day. Is it same sort of change you got in japan my overnight or whatever time it is there? So sure and as with all of this things There's usually more than one thing going on, but it's too long for it to be human error. It's deeply suspicious that another one happened in another country and this is the same kind of area as the Pacific Pivot we head into where 20% of the way through a Pacific century in many respects. I have no doubt we'll see there's generally more than one thing going on with CERN or any other stuff you get

26:42 More than one thing happening if you gonna spend that much money on it was actual craft that were mistaken for missiles like if you can roll the flying saucers out from whatever race beyond base there and that's pretty expensive so you might as well do more than one thing at once but you're not playing about also pick up some milk. Yeah, I just went down that Princeton Global Consciousness Project rabbit hole. Thought that was interesting and also Japan another island so you did a great show with Alex on Skeptico not too long ago and i just thought it was right on the money and just as an aside I think I'm going to dial back the project Camelot type of stuff and add in some more Skeptico type of stuff in the higher side soup this year but

27:29 The whole thing that got me thinking, of course from a conspiratorial perspective was what it might mean for us that the culture of materialist science is now making room for consciousness and panpsychism is so hot for them right now. Is it almost worse for us in a sense that the better understanding the machine has for what's under the hood, the better these groups even the smaller groups could get at manipulating us? Yeah it would be if they hadn't if the behind the curtain people had already worked out and i never have you know from kind of tesla on. The materialism has been an op. And it was ramped up particularly in the Cold War because it became associated with hyper-consumptive, super successful capitalism and its fight against the Soviets So the op has been very deliberate but no one behind a curtain It's impossible to have that as well as your MK programs and your electrogravitics and the rest of it because any one of these

28:28 Brexit now what you seen at the moment is sort of multi fold generally it's academics trying to kick their tenured can further down the road having been wrong for forty years of a career and if we get to the end of it have things like nasa drive which breaks everything when rolling up toys that break the science that we were taught at least in high school level like breaking. Which suggests to me what's happening there is it's time for these toys. I think that's what the DeLong thing is about, and also why I'm squinting at the Hawaii-Japan radar or missile incident just a little bit more closely because now is the time for these toys to be rolled out. So yes, it is a bit more dangerous but it's kind of how things work and we just need to get better at moving the debate

29:16 You can kick the can of materialism down the road with panpsychism if you are a materialist, but you can't if you have spent even a single second looking at it and realizing that's kind of numbers fudge to keep that materialists can running. And its very important, it is sort of belief system of empire. It really really important too, kick that can as far as it will go until doesn't go any further. As with all of these things, you end up the philosophical and the metaphysical is political and that's one of them but no one behind the curtain wouldn't have been able to do their jobs if they were adhering to the version of reality that we have not only taught but they roll out extremely dodgy people with mysterious pasts and give them fake psychic prizes

30:05 All these things that are run out of military bases, that keep skepticism and this kind of arch-materialism running is a dramatic odds to how certain Anglo American factions have arranged the entire 20th century. Yeah I mean that is a great point it's never not been known behind the curtain but I guess I worry Maybe the people behind the curtain won't have the monopoly that they've had for previous decades, maybe previous centuries. But that all does bring me right up to one of the main things I was going to ask you about was the subject of a changing of the dominant worldview. You gave a presentation called

30:43 dominant of witchcraft that you put up for premium members, which I thought was just really excellent. I think a lot of us tend to just see Charles Fort as a collector and promoter of weird paranormal type tales but it seems like he really had some ideas that were well ahead of his time i want to ask about his forward-thinking dominance model but first talk to us about old Chuck himself what do you find interesting about the guy? brilliant in retrospect and you know this will probably happen to you and i as well not the brilliance that's for history to decide right but he spent effectively his entire adult life looking at the weird and collecting the weird. And he was obviously intelligent to start with it I think was quite philosophical he sort of realized that is we did it presumably youngish ages

31:34 Reality is not the things that we told you like why are we told it's that way because he was a bad kid kind of. And so his father would make him work in a grocery store and he used to mess around and put peaches labels on cans of things that are related to peaches. And so is there still a peach like when does it stop becoming a peach? So, he's very interested in the edges of categorization who was also extremely funny. So, his books even now quite funny but that is obviously born with a philosopher and researchers understanding of the limits of categorization what it includes and excludes as a result he came up with and it's so smart.

32:17 He came up with this a generation and half before Kuhn's structure of scientific revolutions, which is where we get the words paradigm change from. He came out with the same idea but better because Kuhns one is essentially that kind of glorious materialism in modernism once we hit science, we just get better at science nothing comes after it What foot so i miss any twenty century this is a big deal he saw that the dominant of science and kind of. A dominant for him was the official descriptive category but it was more than that what's almost like an e on. So you had the dominant religion before hand and then he grew up in the domino signs but he still the edges of it, any sort of shift when things are taken as self evident within that dominance it becomes apparent that

33:02 those self-evident facts aren't in fact, facts. And he said so the dominant of science which is that kind of early 20th century high material clockwork universe, he saw that coming to an end and that's a big deal because 10 years beforehand you would have people or men or young men going off to university in London and well Britain in general who were kind warned away from studying science because everything had been mostly worked out. So it's like maybe by the time you graduate, we won't even need scientists anymore." That's how confident this materialist model was at the opening of the 20th century. Like this was it and it's almost done which is astounding to think about now and so he said this is coming to an end. The one that he said is replacing it called The Dominant Of Wider Inclusions or The Dominant Of Witchcraft which is the best description

33:52 how we live now. The wider inclusions is essentially the stuff that science decides by fiat doesn't exist, so it's sort of the 20th century paranormal battle like oh that stuff doesn't exist because either there's no consciousness or materialism is the only thing and there are no such things as ghosts and whatever. In this one its impossible to argue against it like they're here, they were always It's just that this sort of structure of reality, the dominant has shifted into the dominant in witchcraft. So you end up with people understanding The High Strange and The Weird. And it's sort of technology that would be associated with the dominant in witchcraft are things like electro-gravitic flying saucers and EM drives and all this stuff that wasn't allowed to exist in the last one. He saw all of these in the early 20th century but he had some wild views about – I think prescient views

34:43 of the implications and reality, and I guess ontological status of all the weird stuff that he looked at his entire life. So you know when it rains giant ants or fish or when people by locate or When people who have the exact same name die on the same day having lived the same life in two different countries And all that kind of stuff so all look kinda weirds that he collected that he had not been many people have done this in the history of the west no one should've been a collector of weird to the extent that you was so we should pay kind of attention to things that he thought about this stuff and its relation to us.

35:24 Well said, and that term wider inclusion it really is like you always say about paranormal and normal. Like stop calling it paranormal if its there its part of the thing! Its part of nature so it's just in a sense normal and of course I have to use words like paranormal because im a sensationalist conspiracy show but I get your point and I think its a good one. It's kind of right in line with that idea of wider inclusion bringing it all in we've had to dismiss it in the age of science but now we are able to handle it mentally. Yeah, yeah so people kind of get and to some extent this is Charles's fault because of the way he wrote right which is he didn't believe in the supernatural he said there's no such thing as supernature and everyone's like aha! So he must have... This is the difference between a dominant science and a dominant of wider inclusions. He said so he must have

36:13 What we call rational but is a sort of materialist fairy tale for how giant ants fall slowly in the snow and. All the other stuff that's not what he meant when you met was because it was like boss at categorization limits, The problem with the supernatural is i'm a paranormal paranormal beside normal supernatural is above nature. Is you call this up and he's the kid with the peach labels in can do like that dumb categorization you've made it up instead of mckinney line if its real it can take depression, And so the things that can take the pressure in the dominant of wider inclusions this stuff is the telepathy and the extra dimensional encounters in the electric critics and so on like they're not paranormal supernatural day if there really can take the pressure real their part of reality by definition and that's what he was saying about his release.

37:05 That's a better cosmology than contemporaneous magicians that we might know more about, that were living at the same time as what like Crowley. Crowley had his unnecessarily detailed divisions of the astral or non-physical and those are more kind of peach labels for Charles right? And so it's really smart! It's an excellent belief system Yeah, I found it super interesting and he's got some amazing quotes too like... So he seems like a pretty Gnostic fellow too. And i guess i would ask you if we depart from the dominant of science to the dominant of witchcraft The transition is marked with

37:50 Those things that you mentioned on the edge and also things like the scientific announcements that the universe shouldn't exist how pompous actually it's your shitty worldview probably shouldn't exists but. You know how do you think this story goes from there what does it look like a few more decades out more towards its peak? Well, if we're talking a few more decades out I think the dominant of witchcraft or wider inclusions will be brief because i sort of based a lot of this stuff on a guest I had in my first year in the podcast Jack Hunter who's a UK academic who wrote a book called Damn Facts. I believe... Or edited a collection of kind of academic analyses of Charles Fort from an anthropological perspective he made the point that unlike Kuhn which ends in science there will be a dominant after this one like me listening to this show

38:37 We like the dominant of wider inclusions better than the government signs but this to show us and i said what i think you want to come after it is a dominant space witchcraft. because probably we can draw a line at the end of this dominant, which is about the re-enchantment of the world or the recognition of the continuous enchantment of the world. However you want to rephrase that. I think it is that plus multiplanetary society when we kind of ring the bell on the next one. So I'm kind of joking a bit and maybe I'm carving up this dominant into too many...maybe I'm double slicing this pizza but that's the one that happens next so from now This is the long stuff, it may be the missile stuff and so on. The pump is being primed or we're being prepared for the fact that oh look! It turns out which we know but like it turns out we've had these electrogridics for a very long time

39:28 you know, the US has 20 flying saucers or whatever it is and that kind of stuff. I think we'll be jumped up into multi-planetary fairly quickly sometime between now and 2030. It's technically multi planetary – we won't get to go anywhere in this stuff but it will be official knowledge in the term of the dominant of wider inclusions that these things exist. And I've been saying that the entire time with The To The Stars Project and the fact they get front page on the CIA's Facebook wall, aka New York Times to say this suggests that that's it. So if you look at how these things work assuming its electro-gravitics and I'm quite sure it is If you look at how these things work they break the materialist model and then we have this kind of interregnum period where former materialists are saying hey maybe panpsychism And then we have this stuff happening and I do think there's an attempt to

40:23 have the cake and eat it too from an official paradigm perspective, having these technologies officially acknowledged. Yeah man I think that really does sound like a pretty logical course of the rollout. It does seem like what's going on And speaking of ringing the bell, let's talk about Amuramura because in the context of a worldview phase change this thing could be like The Housewife who is ringing your doorbell with a fruitcake in hand coming to introduce you to your new reality. On the other hand we've shit on NASA so much I'm not even sure what a real announcement is anymore but what do you think? Is this important?

41:01 Yeah for me you know just to go back to the long thing everyone is talking about twenty seventeen years of disclosure and it was in a way and for me it was over rather than yeah rather than some military contractors and singer because. The thing about it is a structure the thing about his head aliens tales which is what I said to you should have one on the weekend. Because there are two ways you can explain this, the first given its trajectory in spaz out shape and all this kind of stuff and where crucially where came from the corner of the sky so the same month as We had a kind of mass death Vegas Vega ritual, ala according to Chris Knowles in Las Vegas on NASA's birthday. And then later in that month we get our first you can call it an alien spaceship if you want the first official alien spaceship. It doesn't have to be a spaceship with all the kinds of cool Star Trek toys to satisfy that definition because it's either artificial based on its trajectory in which case alien by definition

42:01 Or it's not, because when people were looking at it and why it got such coverage as maybe this is in fact an alien object even in the mainstream press. It's because the other option is what you have to solve is this an extremely unlikely event or which suggests alien? Is this a very common event which means we haven't understood the gaps between solar systems if it's common if these things happen all the time and essentially in between so this is you have a sort of walmart parking lot, billions and trillions of objects like this that's zip and bounce. In between solar system and if thats the case its aliens because there is your pants for me vector par excellence so there is the life was seated on this planet by some kind of

42:48 postal system of bizarre shaped rocks bouncing in between solar systems. So heads, it's aliens tails, Italians I think it is probably artificial and vastly ancient in I don't think it's common and something Tyler Cohen said who's my favorite neoclassical economist? He's like from a Fermi paradox perspective just running the numbers we should expect it to be aliens because we've been looking for them And the actual challenge with the Fermi Paradox is why aren't they here So for me, that's it. We saw it there have been ones beforehand I mean we know this stuff on Mars and all that kind of thing but to me 2017 in October as to whether they knew what was coming or whether these two events coincide in breaking the word coincidence apart That bizarre ritual murder and the sort of arrival

43:37 poop-shaped alien asteroid in the same month. You need numbers that aren't used in a physical description of the entire universe to run those odds, so that was it for me as to whether we can trust exactly what's going on well that is the eternal challenge. The information came out...well here's the dodgy bit and its kind of like the missile thing The information came not initially from NASA, but via it. You get the NASA official statements at some stage so we know things showed up or at least we can be more confident that a thing showed up. But yeah there's dodgy stuff. There was 34 days of follow-up observation which actually means this 33 days between the discovery and the announcement of Oumuamua. So there is still some weird

44:24 earth-based signaling involved. They found it and then they said that 34 days of observation, then the announcement so it's 33 days until the announcement in that case. So I was looking for that kind of weird signaling and the only one I found as far as I can tell is that which... As I read that when you see the 33 showing up It is a wink but I don't want to say class of people or group of people but that faction Is involved when you get your 33s? That's the wink Yeah, I agree I guess i would also ask you about maybe its name or the proposed corner of the sky that it came from. Is there anything there that rings your ritual alarm bell? Well, here's the thing with any of this analysis and it's why I like...I mean, you know, I like Chris Null stuff at The Best Times but it's why I like that kind of synchromistic analysis of the universe. It's essentially a form of algebra because

45:23 The universe response to ritual or not any we wouldn't do it but the elites wouldn't do it so when you're dealing with an event like vegas some of that. Is your pretty speech marks around us some of these humans doing and some of it is the universe responding And what you can do with synchronicity is it's literally like algebra, like you don't know what a and b is but you know that a squared plus b squared equals c squared. So humans and universe equals Kind of weird shit that happens and not where you can think with him think about without trying to play the guessing game of. They did this or they arranged all of this and whatever it is just a cleaner way of doing it because yes it's a hawaiian names

46:10 object based on where it was discovered. We just had weird stuff in the sky over Hawaii again, so how much of that is the universe and how much of that is by design? I don't know. We can still think with the fact these overlap and I do think they're significant. If it's the universe We'll use ringing the bell again. It's ringing the bell for that Pacific pivot, that's the universe responding to like okay this is where the focus is now sort of west of Hawaii if you will it could be more than that in the case of like the Vegas thing astounds me right because Oumuamua came from the general well actually very explicit vegan direction whatever it is 18-19 days later now

46:54 If you had performed that mass murder ritual, which isn't quite what they did at all in Babylon or in Sumer. You perform a ritual to attract the attention of the gods and then you wait for signs that the universe has heard you and that's rather a good one. And it's crazy! I don't know if they're expecting it but from a magical universe perspective We would be expecting it if its a ritual you expect to respond. and we got it 19 days later. This is the algebra thing, like magic works so it may not have been intentional or a welcome gift. It may have been who knows? We can think with it without kind of landing on that could be this or could be that because it boggles the mind again. I actually really like the name of Hawaii, but I think it's nice that it gets a Polynesian name. But all the other stuff around it goodness you think

47:56 Why I think the 2017 disclosure event was omuomua rather than, you know, Blink-182. Dude, I just love that the Harvest Festival on NASA's birthday is like the picking up of the phone and Amora Mora is like the answering. And yeah here we are! I just think that's a great provocative interesting way to think about it. Well, that's ritual magic. That's how it has been used and I know that's kind It's a real flash point topic for alternate media because, you know like a lot of them come from ecstatic Christian backgrounds so they think it's all bad and somehow the Freemasons and the Vatican are colluding in whatever ritual magic conspiracy with Thelemites like Dick Cheney. It's a mess! Nevertheless magic works and this is how it was done in Egypt and Babylon and so on. You have these large civic

48:52 sacrifices you do that because the universe response. Add a chest my head still spins thinking about it and it was before we showed up, my assumption and i think most people who look at it that way is assumption words It's kind of like 9-11 happening on the, particularly whatever it was that hit the Pentagon happened on the anniversary of. The dedication of the Pentagon so whatever that was obviously wasn't a plane that hit the pentagon is a rededication at the ground to the pentagon for new mission for you but that's good ritual magic good speech marks again right?

49:30 And I think that was, I assumed that was what was going on because there's very few places in America where you can have effectively a blood sacrifice in front of all the iconography that has been associated with the previous national missions like it's just there you have to go to egypt do it otherwise right and yes they're tacky and it doesn't matter what images are there so i was on nasa birthday. Anything this is a rededication of nasa for whatever comes next. And then Oumuamua comes next, and we're getting the first signalings from operatives and useful idiots that the toys are being rolled out of the underground bases – which is what I think we should expect in the next two years. So they all line up. The bit that's crazy is maybe Omuamua is the universe responding but

50:26 Yes, we can think with these ideas without picking which one it is and that's useful. I think it's the only way to do it without being crazy and in many respects synchronicism is something we've had to invent because we used to talk like this and by used to mean 1800 years ago We were very okay with using language to mean something literally and symbolically at the same time because that was, we had a I would argue better understanding of reality. Something closer to Charles Ford and it's almost like training wheels. This is synchromistic analysis is how we get used to thinking with and about a living cosmos when we just had 150 years of being told no such thing exists

51:14 So, and we're going to need those skills now because now everything is happening. Right! And I do think that is just the one-two punch of ritual that really adds some clarity to it like you said the Pentacon and it being on the anniversary and re dedicating it to a new mission. Things definitely changed after 9-11 and then this Harvest Festival, you know possibly a pivot for NASA's mission tying right into like you say the Tom DeLonge Pentagon program disclosure stuff. The Pentagon of course being at the heart of that disclosure also it's just so crazy and

51:52 We know that the elite, or at least aspects of the elite use symbols and rituals all the time. But it's like not to this degree I mean from 9-11...I don't know if there has been anything even close to that level until The Harvest Festival Is there anything else in that wheelhouse that i'm missing? That you think even touches those highest heights like those two events Not from a you know, you might call it a blood sacrifice perspective those two things they go together because and this is when we were talking earlier about numerology not really being used as much as Timing there's much as time. These are examples of that so 9-11 in Vegas go together from you can call it a harvest festival blood sacrifice ritual for whatever gross either way like We're not being you know glib about this stuff

52:47 There have been other events that have been just dripping in some various Olympic opening ceremonies and that kind of stuff in the intervening time. I wrote about it a few years ago, but my hypothesis as to why 9-11 is so riddled with ritual components. Obviously, the numbers there and the symbolism is where they get the jobbing sorcerers if you will. I don't think Dick Cheney put on a robe and went into a ritual room and did all this stuff himself coming out of The Cold War in NMK Projects. They know this stuff works! We know that from Stargate Programming and all that kind of stuff. They know that there is a non-specific probabilistic uplift

53:30 by behaving in a certain way. If there's a thing you have to accomplish that is really hard to do, such as the hijack of America with the Patriot Act and everything that came out – that big neocon PNAC pivot – they would've done it anyway but its difficult and if they want to do that pivot and there are people You know there are people in cube ranch you say by the way if we do it this way. We have fifty years of evidence to show that it might work a bit better and thats my read on why all the nine eleven stuff is there rather than being,

54:07 Zionist Freemasons and all the other stuff. It's because these people, they just want the win right? And that sentiment is there for me with Vegas so those they fly together because it has the same I mean it's a horrific thing to do to innocent people at the best of times but it has an extra level callousness, which is we're just going to drip this in symbolism. Someone told them and this means that whatever the NASA rededication is for if we're correct is of an equal or greater level of difficulty as was the PNAC pivot. As in okay everything we said about space and our solar system has effectively been an op since the beginning

54:57 We now need to pivot the world into being like by the way aliens exist by the way we're already multi planetary by the way we have these toys that's a big change that's bigger than. the PNAC neocon pivot. That's what I think it was about, and it's crazy to me that the universe's response was oumuamua but even without that means the magic worked because even without that the project is continuing anyway and we should expect to see more of hate...I don't even want to call a disclosure! We should expect to see more military contractors and ex-intelligence and military people

55:37 Allegedly disclosing what they know about aliens which is code for we're getting ready to roll out toys and i just love it. I kinda would remind people of what doctor skinner said when he was here told an anecdote about early attempt at magic where he drew out his magical circle did his conjuring and a buncha birds came down, The chimney and went flying around the circle shitting all over the living room. And then the next day comes down because he's like, I can't believe that actually happened to that really happen? And yeah you see the bird shit on the outside of the circle an it's like

56:17 Scale that up. You know if you get all then something fucking comes and of course they outsource the magic I mean the elite class are the kings of Outsourcing, and I know from your magic class that magic is fucking hard So I don't imagine that they're doing anything difficult that they could outsource And why not get an expert it kind of takes one and again? I get asked all the time if this magic stuff works you keep focusing on it with these guests how come 9-11 is the only thing we can point to of course now we have a second thing to point to but it's because you can't do it every day they would do it more often if they could but like you said, you gotta wait for that timing so perhaps that's why we don't see it quite as much. If they obviously can get away with it and it obviously is so potent that would be a good reason. You got to wait

57:05 For the clock to strike 12, man. You can't just go doing this stuff whenever or it's not going to have that same potency. Yeah exactly and you get the low level stuff. The thing is I think they only roll it out when you need all the oomph you can get to make that pivot. That's the US because everything else that the US or the Anglo American to the Atlanticist project everything else that they do has no competition So you don't really need it the tasks are that difficult you just unilaterally. say you collapse that country or you do that. You don't in fact need the magic, why would you do it? I mean i am one but even people who are regular magical practitioners, I dont use it to find the remote and just get the remote and I think thats where some of it changes so for instance we go back to one my favourite sorceresses on planet earth which would be Elizabeth II she's using all the time but she is at a different

58:02 situation to the largely us based atlantis and their various projects but if you look at how she's used imagery and symbolism and grandkids marriages and all the rest of it too. Essentially reflowed the idea of monarchy just the right time to do a kind of partial handover I guess naval governance from the west bank to the UK is the US becomes more and more insular. You look at it and go she's but she's just knocking it out of the park every time from again its timing spread its use imagery in color and locations and so on that is

58:40 This is what I mean, they've always done it. That is exactly how, particularly when you're talking about monarchs, that's exactly how they've done magic. They've managed image and timing and location for their benefit. That feeds into the Cold War and all of a sudden you have improve technology and understanding that there are extra dimensional beings in all the other wacky stuff that went on with the cold was largely cover for you come at the end of it into the twenty first century you have, the timing in the image. I still weaponized with all this stuff that they've done in the second half of the twentieth century and that is why things look as mad capacity

59:18 Yeah, the royal family definitely has to be using some kind of magic just on the basis that they still exist. That we're all under this spell that we should applaud when they walk in a room and just let them wear all this draped in lace and gold and jewels... And like why? Clearly were all under a spell that even exists! Well, she's extended her spell to the United States now with Harry's marriage. Because now you guys have to care... I feel so sorry for what that girl has coming! By all accounts she seems lovely. She'll be mad, crazy within a few years. That will send her nuts. But here is what passes for the attractive one in the family. She is clearly beautiful and American

1:00:02 You're going to get what happened to Britain in the 90s. Now you have to care about it too, now her image is from sea to your shining sea! That's so clever. She's probably, when I say best, she's probably the best monarch that The top three, provably now have all been women. It's been her and Victoria and Elizabeth I. She's just playing a game no one realizes the game she is playing but she has been doing it since effectively when she was a kid and she is in her 90s now so that's a lot of experience! And that's just a masterpiece. So she married the main one to what passes for a commoner to them even though the Duchess of Cambridge before she became Duchess of Cambridge literally lived up the road from Gran.

1:00:47 Common is pushing it and she met wills in Italy University. So that's Britain sorted Everyone likes to forget It's just amazing that she turned around and got like the hot one to marry an American actress Remember, it was an American that almost collapsed the monarchy at the beginning of the 20th century That's how good she isn't this? She's gonna play that game Oh God. Yeah, so anyway that was a bit of a tangent just to say that this is how they have always done it and now we have that combined with whatever versions of the weaponization of kind of magic and all that sort of stuff that was developed through the Cold War And you put those two things together and yeah, that brings us to 2018 So

1:01:32 It is just always a great time having you here. Of course, you are the reigning champ of THC not only with the most appearances but surely the most references too so obviously the spell you put on me and the magic work you've done to permeate your influence through The World of Fringe Podcasts is working pretty well maybe people should take a lesson huh? Yeah maybe I should give Get a lesson in target selection. Dial it back, you're on too many episodes! Well you keep inviting Nick back... come on! Yeah I guess what can ya do? Do you have anything to plug really? We could remind the people of your books and blog is there anything else in the works?

1:02:16 No, like if you guys are interested in either taking it the next step or you can become a premium member. Like only if you're interested honestly because you don't have to do the magic either You can just kind of watch it but that is what its about and we do video Q&A's But If your just happy listening to The Talking That will always be free So not really Just...if your keen hit me up Its always about finding others Runesoup dot com But yeah Good luck everyone. Right on! Well, I'm already looking forward to the next one man enjoy the farm life and keep doing what you do Awesome you as well

1:02:55 Oh sweet baby Jesus and jumping Jumanji people, Gordon White returning after a long hiatus. Consider me satisfied because I think this one hit on a lot of fun stuff Chuck Ford's model for the passing dominant worldviews how it connects to things we're seeing in the real world and the cracks that could be considered clues that a new worldview is actually emerging One where THC might not be so fringe. A bittersweet proposition for sure, but it's exciting! I tend to like change and even chaos...I don't want anyone to get hurt of course but i remember back in grade school we'd have a tornado warning We're all lining the halls kneeling with our hands over that all-important base of the spine And I'm looking around at some of the girls crying even some of the guys crying Guys who got shit for it for the next eight years

1:03:49 But my immediate reaction was always a rush of excitement. I would be looking at my buddies through the gaps in our elbows whispering, oh shit! And again that would have all changed as soon as there was any real danger it's not like the school is torn apart and i'm laughing maniacally as my friends go spinning through the air but there is something in me that makes me enjoy a good panic maybe that's why do what I do And it's not about promoting fear, but I love to get deep into making the case for something that might melt a person's worldview. That sort of safe panic maybe we should say? It's in the same wheelhouse. Plus fear porn is too predictable and expected for a conspiracy-themed show

1:04:35 But the thought of an era of wider inclusion gets right to the heart of it also. Are you a person who could deal with the emergence of deep state toys, the mainstreaming of flying saucers, the acceptance of other beings? And I'm sure a lot of these things are not going to come out for our benefit in some type of happy disclosure scenario but... y'know I'm sure if you're listening to this, you would find that world exciting too. But think about the people who would be crying in the fetal position on the floor of a shower because this sort of stuff is just too much for them Those people do exist! I don't think it's an excuse to keep this stuff secret but they do exist

1:05:13 It's like they're not really in any danger, but some people are just primed to short circuit because they haven't been paying attention and they are not open to change. They're in one bubble or another look at what happened to liberals when Trump took office I mean it's a fine line between pussy hats and a full emotional breakdown right if there's even a line at all I'm just saying during a period of flux, people who have really rigid worldviews do tend to reach a crisis point when it breaks down. So maybe build up some mental armor You know, in that dominant of witchcraft presentation Gordon also mentions the importance of re-examining your past Fortean experiences which is such a great point. As he says most people have experienced phone telepathy statistics show that 60% of people have had communication with a dead relative so I think looking back at that stuff is really important

1:06:06 I mean, I am a person who received a telepathic message seconds before a car crash as a kid. I saw a cryptid hybrid creature in the woods for just a few seconds in kindergarten and still had a long material atheism chapter in my 20s which really only speaks to the power of the Western worldview's brainwashing. You need to trust your own experiences rather than the so-called experts I know i've said a lot of times on this show that i haven't had these sort of weird experiences in sober life. I haven't had those confirmations that i've wanted and i say that because, i think when we hear about an abduction story or an owl man sighting story it sounds so out there and we just don't hold our own experiences in that same epic category

1:06:57 Because we were there and maybe we aren't sure what we saw, and we sort of normalized it. To use that first example there was a time at a pretty young age when I never really wore my seatbelt which might sound weird but i was rebellious kid i was difficult so i guess you gotta pick your battles sometimes she just got to go get bread milk right But for some reason, one day I got a mental message that said hey put that seatbelt on right now because you're going to need it. And i listened and just after I clicked it in we were t-boned by a barefoot woman who ran a stop sign! It was a pretty bad accident no one was really hurt but it was pretty bad. I never forgot that. In fact I used it as an excuse to do really reckless things because I was like oh well if there's gonna be a problem I'll probably get that prompt again

1:07:51 But at the same time, I kind of compartmentalized that off to the side and didn't incorporate it into my worldview. I'm sure that has to be true for a lot of listener experiences too right? If you dig i think you'll find that weird confirmation you're looking for You might even question if that was really it but chances are it was! I don't think you're really supposed to know 100% If you heard me as a guest on Rune Soup, you pretty much got the childhood cryptid story. But I saw something that never really matched any wolfman-lizard man bigfoot description so i've always been unable to categorize it in fact when stranger things came out I said to my wife hey remember that thing I said I saw as a kid? It kind of looked like a demogorgon but with a more human face. It didn't have a flower face

1:08:41 And it wasn't trying to eat me, but just shape-wise and color wise. I sometimes think it was a skinwalker or something more in that vein but whatever The point is plumb the depths of your past for these sort of nuggets you might have glossed over But are actually pretty extraordinary Another quote of Gordon's I wrote down but didn't get to is that, And that is something I want to tape up on my monitor as the definition of the higher side chats. Because over time a lot of listeners will get obsessive about trying to pin down my worldview which I consistently insist doesn't matter that much

1:09:26 People often say that certain shows contradict each other and it's like yeah, because this isn't just a path towards a singular worldview. It's an exploration of fringe ideas You'll see in some critical comments about me that they refer to me as a truther And I'm like we'll stop right there We are exploring fringe ideas. I help guests make a case and we see how it goes But it just explains why I can do some pretty out there shows that aren't consistent with the shows before them. It's also why when shows get even the least bit political, I get shit from the left and right respectively because they just want to know what club i'm in so they can know if they continue listening because they don't want anything outside of that bubble and its just so funny! Why would ever wanna make it that easy for anybody?

1:10:20 And the flush show we also revisited some of the directed panspermia pig chimp hybrid ancient aliens type of stuff. And we didn't talk about mushrooms and fungus too much in that vein, but it's definitely a component. And I also wanted to mention this kind of along the lines of the joke A lot of amateur comedians make about dogs in that you got the dog usually leading the human around on a leash The human picks up their shit The human works all day so the dog can lay around like royalty and get three meals a day Who is the master? Who's the slave here huh I think we've all heard that but it is an interesting way to look at things and a similar thing gets said in regards to corn, rice, wheat. And they are the most plentiful plant species today. Gordon cites a quote from Chris Thomas where he says

1:11:10 It's entirely valid to think of these plants as having taken advantage of a gullible primate, to prepare the land for them. Sow them, fertilize them keep them free from pests and disease and keep their seeds safe for the next generation Who is manipulating whom? And I just love that outlook it turns the worldview of humans dominating and ruling over their environment A bit on its head Looking at things in a new sort-a way is what it's all about right Of course, the biggest aha moment today for me was this idea of magic rituals and the one-two punch. We talk about elite rituals so much but I think a lot of people miss that cause and effect element—that reconsecration thing. I know i have! And I think it's pretty damn fascinating and maybe it gets us a little closer to a real understanding than a lot of other approaches a guest might bring up

1:12:04 In fact, the next show adds even another piece to it as Austin Coppock returns and he knows both Chris and Gordon. So these three shows in a row is really like one big super set to me I'm lucky to have these guys in the Rolodex because...I don't know how I'd figure out any of this stuff without them We've had guests point out things that suggest the Twin Towers were built with sacrifice in mind, Rockefeller planned so I wouldn't be surprised. And like Gordon said they broke ground on the Pentagon September 11th 1931 60 years to the day! I mean that's a goddamn ritual might as well call the place The Pentagram

1:12:45 And with Chris we talked about how weird it was to have the Harvest Festival happen on 10-1, NASA's birthday which is actually 59 years. So so close! And then you'll find different dates because something like NASA was actually multiple stages of development but just to read from the official chronology... NASA began managing the United States space exploration program on October 1st 1958 And you know I hate to say incorrect things on the show. You know, he got one job get these things right and i had written down that Paddock arrived in Vegas on 8-17 and Chris corrected me and said it was 9-17 so the date was in my head well 9 17 I see is the day that NASA unveiled the first space shuttle September 17 1976 So I really think there is something highly ritualized about all this

1:13:42 But just to wrap up the business side, because I do have one more thing to drop on you guys. Of course every episode of The Higher Side Chats comes with an extra hour if you're willing to support the show for five bucks a month via thehighersidechatsplus.com or Patreon in today's second hour with Gordon we got into plagues and disease updates on directed panspermia pimps and octopi what it's like to run a digital magic school the importance of timing and its effect on getting the attention of the spirits, gotta love that. And we talked about the history of the Grimoires and the Sola Boushka Tarachi deck if you remember the Game of Saturn episode. We also talked about just the Elite and Haunted bloodlines, The Our Lady Fatima event and its importance to ufology

1:14:32 And then finally, civilizing trickster events and the prospect that the last one might have been less public. I think that's where we'll start the next podcast when i get them back on and again just listening to Chris and then Gordon and then Austin you're going to want those second hours And don't think THC is narrowing its focus. We've got plenty of other stuff in the works very soon, but I really love these subjects because magic is one of the rare things where we can actually weave in and out of how The Elite use it and then how WE can use it! There will be comments about how that's all evil and I would just say who told you was all evil? Religious authority figures... You really think they're not trying to maybe manipulate you and take your power away

1:15:18 Regardless, please sign up and support the show. Now for a lot of people I think these magic and spirit models of the world are a bit slippery and there's a lot we don't know about these interactions or what a spirit or God even is but just in the way The Matrix helped to conceptualize a Gnostic perspective as does Westworld in a lot of ways The show American Gods on Stars I think provides a great template for the gods interacting with humans and the real world in a very Sinister Forces type of way. And i'm about to play a clip from my favorite scene for you

1:15:56 So for context, the elevator pitch is that it's a show about modern America where the quote-unquote new gods of technology and dubstep and vaping have all taken over the culture and the minds of man. And the old gods, Odin in particular, is trying to make a comeback and they're trying to reexert their influence in the world having been forgotten for so long So the new gods see Odin starting to make moves and they try to co-opt him. They try to dangle a very interesting, in the context of this episode, carrot in front of him that would put his name back in the hearts and minds of man but this clip even has a subtle couple of lines that even refers to the human god relationship and how it's changed over time

1:16:45 It's even fun in the way that the gods are kind of strange. They make sense, but sometimes they don't exactly. They say weird non sequiturs in the way that we've talked about before I just think it fits But anyway there's a lot to like and it's about three or four minutes And I think it's easy enough to tell that all the voices but one are a team of people Trying to convince the older voice of Odin to get with the program so here goes Technology is evolving. We're all evolving It would be an honor, sir to evolve with you I can help you and i wanna help you Influence opinions behaviors beliefs like never before we want to help you find your audience You see? We are not here to fight So you are offering the truce A truce implies that were ever at war You might have been but i wasn't No not a truce A murder Yes

1:17:58 A merger! Champagne and potato chip. You ever dip a potato chip in champagne? It's real crazy, you know? Wouldn't you like an upgrade? A brand lemon scented you. Oh I'm fine, me. I just keep getting better every year Of course you are And that is the you that deserves to be seen, incorporated. Everyone in the world gets their place with you That's why they call me Mr World and if they don't agree I get it, I do Individualist Rugged individualism doesn't work anymore Brands sure a useful heuristic

1:19:00 But ultimately everything is all system interlaced. A single product manufactured by a single company for a single global market spicy, medium or chunky they get a choice of course! Of course! Salsa The Odin guidance satellite to be launched over North Korea next month

1:19:51 Just imagine lightning raining down from the sky in the form of precision guided missiles. Could you imagine? 24.9 million people, they will know your name Lickety Kite! Brand rebranded and just the start. No more stolen scraps, shirt changing hand to mouth gray hairs no more motels and byways A place in tomorrow currently last Valhalla doesn't that sound swell? An oyster! Inside every pearl there's a single irritating grain of sand That's me Otherwise you wouldn't be here

1:20:43 Just like an oyster trying to cover me up with something smooth and shiny, pretty on a necklace but inside the shell that slimy thing just wants that scratchy thing out of there. You say merger? I hear exile It's not our fault they found other ways to occupy their time That's all you do, occupy their time We gave back we gave them meaning But give it to them again Gotta love it folks, and I'm outta here. Your move Odin... your fucking move. This is important hear what i said im trying to tell you its not paranoia not in my head its just the hard truth knocked on your door while i still can to ask you a question cause i know your head is still in the sand

1:21:47 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know where our c- Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's a scary world Scurrier everyday no matter what you say We'll be okay Can't you see that we're so- You sit and wish but we don't have a choice It seems we're stuck here But you can find nose to drown out the noise Now use that altar End up your magic game And listen to THC, you know Go with the entities If you ever see

1:22:59 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we are kung fu? Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's a scary story every time whatcha say will be okay

1:23:36 Can't you see the whistle? Yeah, yeah, yeah Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we are confused? Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's a scary world So I'm scarier than all what you think

1:24:41 Okay Can't you see that we're so