Free Plus Show: Chris Knowles | Lucifer’s Technologies & The Mk Ultra-terrestrials

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04:00 This is The Way, Hireside Chatters. From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and when we think about technological progress on the human timeline and all the 1950s versions of what our world would bring it seems that were quite a bit off script Not only are we lacking the personalized silver saucers and cheery meal-making robot maids, but instead the false promises of Tomorrowland have been replaced with dystopian digital surveillance, intense fields of EMF radiation and rarely a useful tool that isn't paid for with data collection and market research to further commit you to a bland existence of screen addiction and a never ending struggle to keep it all charged.

04:37 Sure, the screen is smaller. The internet is here and the vacuum can fumble around on its own but how advanced have things gotten really? NASA's extraordinary budget and decades of focus have yielded almost no major changes to rocketry No exciting daily moon shuttles or space elevators Just RC cars of tin foil taking selfies in the Nevada desert and calling it Mars The advancements in food science and industrialized diets have left many of us weak and obese, with GMO crops compromising the global food supply with all the altruism of an invading army. And with malpractice medical errors and death by medicine being the third leading cause of death even by the most conservative statistics I'm not sure they've got it all worked out there either

05:19 So it seems the biggest achievement of modern technology is the cult-like following it's amassed despite its shortcomings, and when you consider where they might have been getting their ideas maybe that's to be expected. Well, when it comes to the work of today's returning guest Chris Knowles he has pulled on so many fascinating threads throughout the years on The Secret Son blog from the strange songs of The Siren Elizabeth Frazier to the potent symbolism of award shows and pop culture rituals. But it is material nested beneath the umbrella term Lucifer's Technologies that has fascinated your humble host most and with Chris having added a few logs to that fire recently gives us plenty to talk about as society crumbles down around us

05:58 Chris has no shortage of THC appearances at this point and I'm psyched to do it again, hot on the heels of his new book entitled The Endless American Midnight a massive collection of the best-of-the-best from The Secret Sun blog as well as the launching of The Secret Sun Institute of Advanced Synchromysticism on the Patreon platform. And let's not forget to mention his recent novel, He Will Live Up in the Sky. A wild ride if there ever was one and his classics Are Gods Wear Spandex? and The Secret History of Rock & Roll As busy as ever, the chronicler of humanities decline apocalypse watchdog extraordinaire and straight-shooting synchromystic sage of The Secretsun blog Chris Maman welcome back to the higher side

06:39 What an introduction i try to thank you thank you very much i'm gonna blur that on my next book yes and this is real exciting man lucky number nine it seems. You know i checked in with you just at the right time as one of my favorite topics seems to have resurfaced to the forefront of your mind is well, which revolves around what u call lucifer's technologies and the roswell working. You say on the blog this is one of most requested topic for you to revisit as well and for good reason. To get started here would you say it was the overall thesis of this thread or the hypothesis you're working from?

07:21 Oh man it's so complex because the series was very much written in one of my. OCD jags you know i'm just sort of in manic mode for like a week and half to stay up all night reading everything and writing and all that kind of thing so is it, no in my most when i started the series again i talked about how like It wasn't the most organized work that i've ever done it was just very haphazard but you know is this like that thriller discovery finding things but your basically a thesis is, i was looking at the explosion of technology particularly electronics. After world war two and how that coincided with the dawn of the ufo age where the roswell and so on but also coincide with the rise of the national security state in the national security act

08:14 So you had this interesting confluence of events that all seem to tie together in very interesting ways and then when i really started looking at ron's well and i was looking at for instance philip course those very controversial and. Not so credible book day after roswell and then there was another interesting thing that i remember reading back in the day like this is back in like you use net days the sky named jack showman showed up out of nowhere. I'm just talking about what can i do if he had been associated with bell labs and. Can you all these people need to set the whole story that rose up around the invention of the microchip which is absolute nonsense they didn't have capabilities of

09:00 doing the work that led to the creation of the transistor at Bell Labs, you needed a lab like Sandia labs out in New Mexico or something. You need something with some heavy-duty equipment to mess around with all those elements that they use to connect germanium and silicon and so on... To develop the transistors! So that really caught my attention because that was much more... Corso was just kind of blowing smoke crediting everything with your phone and everything in the thing that i always wondered a lot of people pointed out is like you know if we came across your phone. I mean even if the technology was like three hundred years advance from mars how do we understand it how to rebuild to take apart and reverse engineer i think would be extremely difficult and, the fact that the transistor shows up months six months after

10:01 Roswell you know before that the kenneth arnold sightings are really kick the whole thing off it just seems to me like i was just a bit. Too quick return around people have pointed out to me like when i talk about the transition everything they pointed out well you know this is in development and so on and so forth and these are just, this is just like the kind of people who just read wikipedia article and except one sentence Claim but you know i went back and i really looked at the provenance of the transistor and it is strange i mean it does really pop up out of nowhere everybody thought these guys are crazy. Some people have thought that this could never be done because of limitations with physics and so on, and then they did it and then you know what led from one thing to another but you know what's been the result of this the result has been

10:54 This worldwide surveillance grid and the massive acceleration of inequality and so on, and social discohesion. So I began to wonder what if this were a kind of Trojan horse? What if the electronics revolution was in fact a Trojan horse because doing stuff like this is great right but look at all the things that we've really lost you know we've lost so much As a culture and society because of the onset of all this technology. And you just begin to wonder is like what they call the classic bar did we sell our souls to the devil for this amazing technology but we just don't realize how much it's cost us you know we don't realize how much, we've lost because of that right yeah i think its super fascinating and

11:55 Maybe at the time it wasn't popular but now it's a very popular idea to think about all the alien stuff as well is this some multi dimensional entity rather than some great from, foreign planet like that reductionist materialist. Added to the black well if there's any contact it must come this way because there is no spirituality in the world anymore but now when you think about all lot of situations where some contacts is made its usually. Voice in the head like tesla used to talk about having some voice and his head that was giving ideas or

12:31 ritual summoning of some kind like the jack parson stuff that's kinda what he was always up to or like a shamanic journey i mean they say that the dog on tribe knows a lot of things about these solar system nation be able to know because their connection, do the world through shamanism. And they're fairly isolated so it seems like maybe we should trust them or the i was good then how did people learn to combine this route with this vine its like of all the combinations in amazon that came to them from some. Disembodied voice really some spiritual entity so maybe this is the same idon't know if you consider it, like they called something up and then a saucer did crash or is the whole saucer thing

13:16 Fabricated i mean what seems like something physical was picked up in the desert but what do you think about the mechanisms for that exchange if it wasn't as presented, what do you think the story behind that story is. What's the best of all crux of the issue for me cuz im trying to get What i call like the unified weird theory how does all this stuff play together because i have all these different parts of these different things. That i've been writing about for the past fifteen years on the secret sun and i really can realize that im just looking at the same phenomenon from all these different vantage points but it is all connected and i really start to see that like you know magic in ritual as america center

14:00 Of all world events and developments and so on. We've been so conditioned to not see it even though its right in front of us or do not take it seriously do not see if what is, That we're kind of blind to the process of it that the rituals are constantly going on that i've detailed. Particularly past four or five years now since the goth tunnel extravaganza which is still can't wrap my head around but, since that time i really come to see that the rituals and their connection to world events in developments

14:39 Can't be separated i really can see like technology are the tools that technology is the tool right but the ritual. Is the blueprint you saying it's like we have this technology to reach all these goals and accomplish all these things but i think that at least in my mind of the people that are In control of a lot of this you know i don't have the sort of grand illuminati theory. I think that power is very fragmented but i think that the ritualism, is the motivation it's the blueprint do you see what i'm saying its like so you can separate to and i think when you get down to it like what is the rituals and what does the rich was only called your people call the car determine i dont like because it's actually miss number

15:32 Because nothing is a cult anymore, right? But you know what is the ritualism and the cultism and witchcraft and all this kind of stuff. What is it really about? It's about gaining the favor of these entities. The Romans called them daemons d-a-i-m-o-n-s And then that became demons, angels elves fairies... You know I mean these myths are universal Another thing that's universal throughout history you know is that these entities like to make bargains you know if u give me this i'll give you there so no i'll give you this knowledge of the advanced knowledge of technology and you don't want things that are really explored in lucifer's technology series is that.

16:23 These stories of creatures falling from the heavens and granting mankind all this advanced technology are very old. I mean, the obvious example is The Watchers right? They fell from heaven onto Mount Hermon and taught the local tribes how to make weapons and read the stars and all this kind of thing right but there's also like the Kibiri, the great gods at the Samothrace where they actually crashed earth in a flaming rock That opened up and then they these like crab like creatures you know these men crabs with pincers for hands come out and they teach metalworking. Weapons making all these kind of arts to primitive people so the stories are pretty universal so you really have to kinda wonder given the commonality of theme is there some basis

17:20 In reality, maybe not realities when the stand like a physical reality but is there some metaphysical reality behind it. Right and i like what you're saying with the ritual is the blueprint so we can look at so many instances of the contact being ritualized that when you think about this biggest event in modern history that may be transformed technology and the progression of all of it, you would think there have to be some ritual attached but i guess that part is still a bit of a blind spot me we have the sounds of the council nine seems like that yielded some influence for sure.

17:58 We know parsons was doing the babylon working which maybe isn't exactly connected to his rocketry but maybe it kind of is we even talked about. When amore mua wasn't nice guy like the harvest festival wasn't long before and there just seems to be this cause and effect of, use a telephone analogy you dial up the number and then something answers on the other side in the ritual is that i went out but i guess we can't really identify the dialing up in the rosswell case right me in the old post you did talk about, a strange meeting where it seems like a lot of the brightest minds were gathered at some.

18:35 sort of lodges if they maybe knew something was gonna happen and who knows what that lodge meeting really was about but maybe that's where they called something up i guess have you gotten any sense of like, ritual is the blueprint and we know the result we know apart the second part of it do we know where the calling out part happened. I think that's a complicated question that we're clearly not going to have access to the answers for. One of the reasons is because all the records from the Roswell Army Air Force Base from 1945-1950 have been destroyed or are lost, quote unquote. You know what i mean? So it's the kind of thing where we have to reconstruct the events

19:19 Often according to like the gaps that are missing and sort of extrapolate what is filling those gaps in. Myself and what i did in the series about roswell, why i call it the ross well working because of symbolism in the alignments that were just so clearly drawn from thousands of years of ritual history and i'll give you example this i mean roswell comes from the town of rosewell In scotland which is the next time i'm from roslin which is roslyn chapel you familiar with that old davinci code nights templar. Sinclair family all that kind of stuff so i mean thats a very interesting,

20:07 Connection there right but the actual crash or the reported crash took place in corona. Right hello yeah corona so i know it's kind of funny because when i was doing this series it was in the wake up the rather underwhelming x files season ten what is the interesting thing about is that link to crash at roswell to this pandemic You remember that i mean it starts off. Where is talking about the crash at roswell and how it led to all this technology that the elites were able to accrue, add the story ends up with this what they call the spartan virus in the spartan viruses rather more serious than what we're dealing with now you know it's an actual kind of

21:02 old world play where everybody's sort of killed but it also has to do with the cure for the virus is injecting people with alien DNA. Wow! You know what I'm saying? So, it's like go back and watch those episodes because you're gonna be like oh okay but that was kind of informing what I was doing with the series but there's so much symbolism so wells themselves have a very long history and also with entity contact, which is really kind of interesting when you think about it. So the well figures heavily in the Yellowsinian mysteries, Demeter disguises herself as the old beggar woman at the well and so on but in like the Celtic and Northern Europe countries elves and fairies and nymphs all these magical extra dimensional figures and beings entities

22:01 That they're always talking about that really informed so much of their belief system. They loved wells, they loved wells and rivers and that's why we have you know the siren in the kelpie and all those variations on a theme particularly wells because you know well like a liminal space where is the hole in the ground that's filled with water so it's the meeting of. Earth and water if you don't to elemental forces it's the same thing, weird swamps and wetlands and marshes and someone that swamps and wetlands and marshes are seen as these limited all in between places were

22:37 The dimension sort of meet and open up so the crash itself takes place in corona and please go back to what's your sex files episodes if you haven't already. What is your place on the plains of saint augustine which is named after saying augustine right and augustine very interesting person no. Do be named after because augustine really gave us, or gave the Christian world because a lot of the material was either lost or destroyed. But, you know, Augustine talked about the demons in the air. You know he talked about these beings in his books that would basically extra dimensional non corporeal beings that would make deals with people right? So let me just read you a bit of the St. Augustine because again we're talking about this crash in Corona, you know, The Crown and on and on and on

23:30 The planes of saint augustine so we talked about these beings the demons in the air they are provoked by injuries you know their insulted propitiated by gifts and services i.e sacrifice rejoice and honors rituals and more explicitly are delighted with a variety of sacred rites, and are annoyed if any of them be neglected. Okay? So it's like these beings love the sacrifices in the gifts in the offerings and the honors and the praises and prayers and get very annoyed if you neglect these things right but the next paragraph is really fascinating so

24:12 On them, meaning on the daemons of the air depend the divinations of augurs, soothsayers, prophets and revelations of dreams. And also the miracles of the magicians." Okay? So remember that Augustine is writing at a time where magic and science were basically contiguous right they were basically the same phenomenon. He's writing about this magic and science, science and magic medicine technology however you want to term it were a result of contact with these beings. So it's like we're three for three already right? So Roswell, Rosalind Chapel the wells so on and so forth Corona the crown there's a whole...we can't get into everything because the level of detail here is insane but the corona

25:05 connection to the book of Revelation and so on, so forth. Revelation 9, the locusts and so on. There's just too much to go into here but this is where it really starts to get interesting okay? So I talk about these historical precedents these historical connections right to gods and angels and beings that would descend from the heavens in teach humankind technology, right? So the exact latitude for the Roswell so-called Roswell crash site on the plains of San Augustine in Corona. It's 33 point nine six eight four one eight which rounds off to 34 degrees right thirty four degrees north that is the exact latitude of Baalbek

25:58 Are you familiar with it? You're familiar. Of course! Wow, so this crash site happens on the same exact latitude as Baalbek okay so Baalbek that's the temple of Jupiter Amon you know the horned and hidden god which I've talked about and there's a lot of horned hidden god symbolism that we get into on Roswell So we have the crash taking place in the exact latitude of Baalbek The Jews and the Christians saw Baalbek as being built by the Watchers, you know the giants, the Nephilim. Right? Speaking of which... The Watchers fall to earth at Mount Hermon okay and the latitude of that is 33 degrees 24 minutes 58 seconds north That's the exact latitude of downtown Roswell New Mexico

26:52 So we're talking about this quote unquote crash. It takes place on, you know, the symbolism could not be more highly loaded right? And then brought to Roswell okay so the quote unquote crash aligns with Baalbek and Roswell aligns with Mount Hermon. So we have this double symbolism being encoded into this thing. You see what I'm saying? Those are just one too many coincidences for me. But then there's the whole thing with Bell Labs, which is just a whole other situation and a whole other discussion but there's all kinds of symbolism there as well I mean you know Bell Labs was owned by AT&T right? And became Lucent Technologies and it's interesting because my wife had been working at Bell Labs at the time that they changed over to Lucent Technologies and there was all this stuff about like Lucifer

27:55 And this is sort of the pun that I'm playing off in the title of the series, like lucent means Lucifer. It's a reference to Lucifer but it's actually... The exact meaning of lucent is also the exact meaning of cadmus and cadmus is this figure from ancient Greek mythology that is also connected to the great gods of Kibir you know? The ones that crashed into flaming stone and taught Everyone how to work with metal and so on and so forth. So I mean the parallels, and the precedence for all this are extensive. And you know i'm just sort of giving you like a few of the bullet points here but it's very similar what we talked about with the siren where it's just like this

28:45 what I call semiotic overkill, where it's just hitting you over the head over and over and over again with this symbolism. And that's really the same thing that we're seeing with Roswell. So a couple of interesting things here. I mean, I can maybe get into this on a future question but Roswell also happened a year after Operation Crossroads which were these High altitude, I think there were hydrogen bomb tests in the South Pacific. Okay? So you know your magic, you know what a crossroads about what do you go to the crossroads for that's where you make the deal so that's exactly a year before The Roswell event You know The events of Roswell began because the first day of the Roswell cycle ritual cycle was the radar return on July 1st and

29:43 you know, where they spotted some fast moving object that couldn't be identified. So that's exactly a year after Operation Crossroads in the South Pacific now the interesting thing about that is that operation crossroads was being run out of Roswell Army Air Force Base. The people who were running the tests were stationed at Roswell and one of which was General Ramey And if you're a ufo buff me you know that name general ramie and roswell or in aram is the ramp and not ties back to. The horn hidden god and ball back and goth tunnel just all right i mean it never ever end of these people right right and i read about jack parsons,

30:29 couple years ago and they talk frequently about one of his competitors who was stationed in Roswell, and he used to go back and forth to Roswell. I was like that's weird why haven't i ever heard about that before because here we have rocketry science and magic and this hot spot for weird activity but But another thing I was going to mention, obviously we're going far off script already from the outline we had. You mentioned the connection with Revelations 9 and I did want to say that back in college I had this really great piece of art where it's got these locust-like beings with tails of scorpions as they're kind of described and yeah they look like a weird hybrid creature, a Lovecraftian thing. And I always liked that art but if you're trying

31:13 Interpret what someone is saying and you're trying to translate complex language locusts armed with the tales of scorpions. What is the tail of a scorpion but poison needle and. Graze kinda look in their eyes like locus so i mean yeah could be hybrid lovecraftian creature it could be like something that looks more like a grey armed with a needle, and we're back to that x files motif of alien dna and alien inoculation injection and issues very weird its very weird nineteen forty seven long time ago seventy three years

31:53 I don't know if there's enough to say these are really connected but the medically there some weird hits well first of all i've actually covered this on the blog and. Revelation nine is a star map your girls from corona borealis each one of those descriptions in revelation nine is referencing, Consolation and it goes in order from Corona Borealis to Corona Australis, which is the southern crown? It's my belief that the locusts at least as being described in that Chapter are some kind of meteor shower and that there's some sort of prophetic.

32:36 You know, because Revelation is all stellar code. This is something that I'm probably going to have to do in a book or movie or some sort of... Not just blog posts because it's so big but the more I look at the Bible particularly Book of Revelations and all the big books too like Exodus and Genesis and so on It's all stellar symbolism And the reason that I can say that with confidence So much of it is just going in order from one constellation to the next constellation, to the next constellations and that constellation. And Revelation 9 you know is a perfect example of that. You know since you brought up Parsons a couple times can I just go into this about Parson's? Sure sure! Okay so you know Parson's is a very interesting

33:27 personage, parsonage for a number of different reasons. I mean, we talked about him in relation to Ghislaine Maxwell because of the familial connection there which still boggles my mind but the interesting thing so you know Parsons had The Babylon working right? It started in January Of nineteen forty six and it's my strong belief you know because i'll run harbors. Military intelligence as you know how bird and camera about military intelligence naval intelligence and i think they are both sent out there, how did admitted to that he was sent out there so keep an eye on what this guy was up to because use involved in a sensitive work for rockets and so on and i think covered them drank cool but

34:19 Hubbard probably told Parsons, okay listen the US Army Signal Corps in early January is doing Project Diana. And Project Diana was the first quote unquote contact with a extraterrestrial body because they bounce radar signals off the moon and this was done at Fort Monmouth which is about an hour south of me right? Now this was done during Babylon working Okay. It's the same and one of the reasons why I have a very strong feeling about Hubbard knowing about this and timing, this ritual to project Diana is like Diana Dianetics right? We knew that he had this sort of weird obsession with Diana's moon God right? And Babylon it's a very sort of a catch his catch can

35:18 construction of a bunch of different goddesses, but you can certainly make a lot of connections to moon goddesses like Diana and so on. So they do the Babylon working in Pasadena and then they end up in the Mojave Desert where he claims to have contact with the minutiae woman, you know probably was just another You know some sort of honey pot or from military intelligence a rendezvous with them and tell him that he was a Venetian or something right so shortly after that the ghost rockets flare up over Scandinavia And that's in February. So Parsons and Hubbard are doing this big working in California

36:09 technically lasted until March, right? So in the middle of it so it's January February March and literally in the middle of it. The ghost rockets begin you know Rockets rocket technician rocket scientist You know what I mean and the other interesting connection here too is that after Parsons and Harbord sort of fall out Hubbard ends up in New Jersey On the jersey shore about ten minutes from fort monmouth you know a ten minute drive from fort monmouth so to me that seems to be a little too closely connected to.

36:53 This symbol system that I'm referring to, to be accidental. But the thing is that this all takes place six months before Operation Crossroads Do you see what i am saying? So there's this line of ritualism There's a line of marriage of high technology and ritual symbolism That really starting in January after the war and then spreads all the way to Roswell. And there are all these connections between all these people, you know? There are just like strange connections going on... This guy was at Roswell and this person was here and this person was there that you really can't dismiss the connection anymore You have to sort of take them in face value and ask yourself what do these connection mean why is people doing it so this is why I really came to conclusion that these rituals that am referring too

37:47 Are all very deliberate and they're all for a purpose and for some reason the people taking part in these rituals gain some sort of power from them because if they didn't. They wouldn't do them right now two thousand years later you know it was all just superstition, and if it was all just some sort of crazy sex thing or whatever. Whatever the motivation would be for doing it they just wouldn't do it! They would get sick of it and do something else... And they don't! As a matter fact, rituals are accelerating so what context we place this in? Oh, the other thing that I wanted to mention too is I talked about Algal with you The Demon Star but during the war L Ron Hubbard

38:35 We're stationed on the uss l go out there is a popular cryptocurrency now to. Oh my god you don't buy it right it's not gonna work out so again this really obsessive attention, do these rituals and i think you know like naval intelligence of what to do with because one of things that talk about in series Is this guy Herbert Knowles? I think we talked about him when we talked about Delane. Yeah, Navy intelligence in the East Coast area and then like all these major events on the UFO hit parade are taking place in like a 200 mile radius of his house you know which sounds really big but just think what a 200 mile radius would be in the state of Texas it's like that your daily commute or something so

39:31 Cuz you know you talk about the nine those nine summonings take place right up the road from him in maine and maine and yeah exactly the alpha channeling i mean all this stuff is taking place no some horror on this guy who's clearly naval intelligence clearly had some connection to operation paperclip. Search everything that's going on now so we talked about the stuff that's historical but i think that the Events that were set in motion are now beginning to come to fruition. Well yeah if you look at almost every area i kinda like i went over and that intro and talk about on so many episodes all the different areas of advancements weather it's food or medicine just any application of science, its made things worse that's why so many shows are about getting back to nature and natural medicine biology because

40:33 The fruits of medical science, of food science. They're the things that are completely destroying the planet I mean it's apparently impossible to not have glyphosate in your body at this point and it's hard even grow crops that aren't infected with GMO monopoly like they seem to take over crops and once its in there never comes back out then it gets our body from eating it like these things aren't good I'm really skeptical of almost every area in which science has gone, just technology of course. We don't have to talk much about that. The whole digital takeover and the technocracy...I can't think of an area where

41:15 The gifts of science have just been positive and maybe that's because they're applied by the least among us the technocratic elite or maybe it's because the leader getting these ideas from something that also has a dark twisted. Way of giving gifts and you know to talk about these beans themselves little bit we were going to talk about this Added log to the fire you worked on recently you say it's the missing puzzle piece and your circling around. The work of carl rashki in his writings on ultra terrestrial agents of cultural deconstruction, which is not only a great phrase but also a great analysis of high strangeness and ufo to quote him he says i substitute the prefix ultra where one would expect extra

42:12 So as to stress that the phenomena in question may be not only from beyond the earth but from outside the very matrix of space time and matter furthermore, the visitors rather than systematically studying our ways out of magisterial curiosity maybe working with methodical dispatch to make us transparently conscious of If not to elevate us toward the realm in which they move and have their being so i really do just love that and im glad you brought this to my attention cuz i was totally unaware of carl rashki but he thought these beans because them ultra terrestrial agents of cultural deconstruction that's exactly what we're talking about that. The fruits that they've offered us they go to a dark place

43:02 Well it's funny that last sentence the realm in which they move and have been what does that sound like to you i'll tell you what that sounds like to me is dmt. Okay so there's a new movie up with a new documentary about some news super tfg as if he wasn't enough alone, do the new document three guys experimented with this new variant of bmc which just scares the hell out of me because i know Much of thrill seekers gonna try and walk in their footsteps. So what we're seeing now is the dawn of MK Ultra 2 a lot of money, A LOT OF MONEY is being put into psychedelic research quote unquote and Psychedelics are very powerful tools but you know a powerful tool can also become a powerful weapon And this ties into... You know Rashke doesn't

44:03 cite this by name, but this ties into my admittedly idiosyncratic unique and rather bizarre interpretation of MKUltra. That MKUltra was not solely about mind control creating mind controlled assassins that was the side effect right? And I know i lose a lot of people when I talk about this but I really believe that the ultimate goal of MKUltra entity possession, was preparing people for entity possession. You know if you want to go into why I believe that and why more certain of than ever before we can talk about that in a bit but when he says that transparently conscious self if not elevate towards us the realm in which they move and have their being

45:03 You know what is that sound like to you? That's like, oh the machine elves! The machine elves. The elites are Alex Jones right? You know what I mean so maybe he isn't so far off in the first place i mean everybody goes oh they're turning the frogs gay well you know that's alex jones and his hyperbole but your study that he was talking about were these chemicals these hormonal chemicals that were polluting frog habitats and changing their gender, right? So when Rasky talks about that. That to me is the smoking gun is this whole DMT ayahuasca or any powerful variants of LSD and SDP an all this kind of stuff you know these really super potent hallucinogens that take you out of this world and put you into another world

46:04 We had so many reports of people having these experiences that are so consistent across geography and demographics. And time that if these people were all just making it up or getting the ideas from things that they've read i mean that really wouldn't play out particularly in other work of Rick strassman right because that was not being well publicize you know he wasn't publishing those findings of time so i want to go meet these machine out some of the takes and dmt at this test. Show me is like the smoking gun and thats the thing that really opened it up for me because

46:50 I had all these components, all these elements. All these things like i said that i was playing with and i just didn't know where to go with it like where am i going with this? Like i have all this information, i've made all these connections what is this about? Where's this proceeding too and i think what its proceeding to Is this process here that im talking about And when i call the rise of MKL2 3.0 which is all these well funded hallucinogenic studies in universities and so on. But we have the example of all these people at Silicon Valley, I don't know if they're still doing it but you know the whole idea of microdosing was a big thing. So I think that these drugs and so on are pretty reliable methods of contacting these beings. And I think they always have been and I think that what we're moving towards now

47:49 I hate this example or you know, this metaphor because it's just so overused but you know like the whole matrix thing where like The Matrix is using people as batteries and that to me it's almost like my fear of this is like moving all these people who've been so destroyed whose psyches have been so destroyed by this process and then given this rocket fuel into The other dimension right? And Just being preyed upon. Mm-hmm just being food for these entities basically Yeah i'm very split on the psychedelic stuff because i am appreciative that i had an experience of seeing behind the veil and it seemed pretty positive to me but obviously entities can be deceptive and maybe there's a range of entities in not all of them are necessarily negative but you would suspect that if the cia and naval intelligence is

48:45 Traumatizing people and keeping them in these extended states that it might be negative beans are more attracted to that kind of modality i don't know but just because i had my own experience, that was positive i'm a little split but. It seems like these are the people you want messing with this kind of stuff and it's probably supposed to happen more than indigenous context with a learned shaman who can kinda discern between certain entities perhaps, no other than a deep state basement. You don't think so? No it is going to be industrialized. It's happening as we speak yeah So you know...you mentioned the nine, we've talked about the nine before

49:25 How are the nine contacted how did this whole nine process sustain itself for so long where they ended up taking over like, this is something that people don't want to admit. But the nine were running Esalen for like five or six years. Hmm, okay It wasn't just like dick price You know met this English chick with big jugs and she sort of got him like into this whole thing And then he was like all drugged out and crazy and he just sort of fell for this whole thing for a couple months No, no This is like a number of years That the nine through jenny o'connor and probably other people john whitmore so on controlling. Now think about this for a minute because we have the connection with us when in silicon valley san francisco palo alto it's almost like this little city state of its own, in central california right going from the san francisco palo alto bay area down to ask which is sort of

50:34 The southern most point to this and the thing that i really got onto this is because of the council nine were not only running excellent but they are clearly at least. If not in control but you know extremely influential in the star trek franchise which at that time was at the height of its popularity influence so we have this confluence events with this weird channeling call absolutely nobody would take seriously, is Controlling the future it's controlling all the features and folding because it's controlling. The influencers in silicon valley and in science fiction hollywood right i believe the inventor of the helicopter and his wife were there that was another one oh yeah also asterisk you name it, no i believe that herbert knows probably involved in this and just is mentioned in literature but i find hard to believe that he wouldn't be

51:33 So it's just this really strange thing that people don't take seriously because they're conditioned not to take seriously. You know, the condition like don't look behind the curtain right? But if you look behind the curtain your gonna find Ultra-dimensional entities at least people believing in an ultra dimensional entities controlling their thoughts and their lives So what's the difference really? You know, what's the difference between somebody who is actually being controlled by an ultra dimensional entity And somebody who believes that he is and his acting accordingly. There's no difference Yeah No yeah now we've talked before about artists to tap into something the ones who really are

52:14 do seem to get the strongest connection to something on the other side of the ones who produce works that end up. Being the most popular people seem to resonate with them because they are inspired by something on the other side i think thats really interesting and moving right along with kind of a content in this post, You ask the big question which that i have which is if these entities these. MK ultra terrestrials will call him if these entities inspired or bestowed our technology what were they after, what goal are they working towards by giving we idiotic meat monkeys a book of metaphorical matches maybe the plan isn't just to reduce humanity back to savagery maybe the ultra terrestrials have something else in store for us

53:01 What would that something else be help us get a better sense of their goals is it just to further influence us is it to get us to invite them into our world like some weird vampire lower rules or something. Pretty much i would say that just look what's going on around you now look at the rates of autism and autism spectrum disorders how they've gone from one in ten thousand when i was born births when ten thousand birds to one in eighty eight births today go look at. What is the twitter we have people self identifying as what is it now it's like trans communist satanist minor attracted person so it's just like i don't know how serious it might be but you know this isn't like somebody calling them that you know there's a majority of this is how they self identify and there are a lot of them

54:02 Online and a lot of them, you know getting involved in hacking and coding now. There is a strange overlap there for sure with the coding and that kind of community And when you start using pronouns like Xem and Zurr and Them-and-they. It sounds like an alien Yeah! Sounds very alien right? Them-and-they sounds like two beans in one body or something Like it does get weird where do they get the idea that they're now a they its strange Well i'll tell you something this is the whole idea of grand unified secret sun theory that i'm straining towards ever so slowly because there's always been at least starting with the hill abduction has always been the idea that the gray is the aliens which became dominant type of alien the grey they were androgynous their sex was right.

54:54 They had no visible genitalia. They were just these androgynous beings, but this ties back... And this is something that I've done on the blog as well is that um.. I noticed something really interesting about ancient and medieval depictions of the angels and the archangels Is that they're all trans According to the theology or the interpretations of theology The angel's are all male identifying But they all look like women and this goes back very very far to the earliest days of organized Christianity, you know when you're actually starting to have graven images which before were frowned upon. So what does that entail? That you know the ultra-terrestrials in that cosmology are also androgynous and then we have this whole idea of androgyny rising in these certain communities I'm referring too

55:54 And one of the things that I've also pointed out throughout history is go back and look at Egypt, right? Ancient Egypt. How do you tell the men and the women apart? Well, the only way you can tell them apart is that the men have those glued on beards. You know they dressed the same they wear the same wigs in the same makeup eyeliner yeah the heavy eyeliner into mascara stuff so this whole idea of elite androgyny goes back forever it now goes back to Sumer really And you know it's also weird i just kinda had this idea but, i remember old interviews with tracy twine and she would talk about mythraic cults and the. Priesthood castrating themselves how is this kind of thought that was weird as like what could possibly possess someone to castrate themselves especially in ancient times where you got pretty rudimentary methods of doing that but man i guess if u get possessed enough

56:49 You might do that and what's going on today but some form of chemical medical castration that people are deciding they wanna do to themselves. Oh it is also being done to us i mean look at the time we're like this from counts, add your just the overall lack of libidinous inspiration in young people today you know all these chemicals and you talk about the mf and computers and all this technology is at the very least suppressing that youthful lust, you know? The erotic drive that was so typified of young people for so long. And now that seems to be waning which is really kind of fascinating particularly as like online porn and explicit imagery and say like Cardi B videos or whatever just seems to become more and more prevalent it seems to have this weird paradoxical effect So I mean what are we moving towards

57:51 There are so many facets of this, there's so many components to this that I'm just basically bumbling through right now. But i'm starting to just line things up, I'm starting to make these connections and starting to see these patterns repeat over and over again right? And I think that preparing if not the masses but certainly a elite or influential group of people, people involved in certain fields coding so on preparing them to become vessels and that sounds really extreme to a lot of people. And I admit that it sounds like kind of loopy but there is precedent for this precedent for throughout history and we've seen UFO sightings in the ancient world at very critical times in our history

58:50 So you really just have to wonder, I mean i'm not like an ET. You know that i am not an ET guy right? I've never been a...you know..I'm not nuts and bolts guy it's just the way i'm wired but there are all these other possibilities and like i said this whole very reliable method now of contacting these entities and as Rashke says being sort of drawn up into their reality and thats things like DMT Yeah man and going back to Karl rash keys stuff he was kind of trying to explain in this paper.

59:27 What it is that people are saying you know use using the term the ufo a lot so like high strangeness sightings that people have and. That's where my question would be why take the form they take flying saucers orbs of light maybe even cryptids and mothman if people are seeing these things in there trying to, Push people a certain way if we leave the channeling aside just random folks out on the country road scene. Metal saucer, i mean so many people struggle to make sense of their experiences or they just shut them out all together is that the most effective way to shepard us towards an end goal these strange sightings of silver ships and orbs in that kind of thing do you put that in the same box cuz thats kinda what carl rash he was talking about you consider those other ways to influence us well first of all we can't describe human motivations

1:00:24 To these entities we don't understand how they think let's just say these alleged entities or hypothetical entities. We don't know how they think, we don't know what their after, we don't have a work and we don't understand the methodologies but in the grand scheme of things if you look at the changes in culture and technology medicine cultural attitudes religion so on and so forth Since 1947 I mean if you go back to 1947 it's almost like you're in a different world There are certain things that You'll see the same houses and your people still driving cars and trains. It's fascinating to me how much our Earthly modes of transportation haven't changed at all since then right but it's just going to be a different world It's going to be a very different world people are gonna think entirely differently than they do today They're gonna speak

1:01:27 in manners that we don't recognize. There's just gonna be all these changes, so in the grand scheme of things 70 years 75 years That's an eye blink In the context of history you know in the context of history nevermind geological history Just in human history That's like the next day thats not any kind of interval at all thats almost immediate You know one thing I talk about when I talked about the whole premise behind Lucifer's technology is Technology wasn't much different in 1748 as it was in 1740 BC right technology had you know we have the sort of little hills and dales going over that course of history no somebody really bright like here of alexander show up and start working steam engines and primitive robotics and all that kind of stuff but. It's just basically flatlined and then it starts to rise up with the dawn of twenty century

1:02:30 ironically after say like the airship hoax or craze or however you want to describe it, but the first major mass UFO phenomena even though it was described as just human beings were a little ahead of the curve. But that leads to the motor car, airplane, telephone all these kind of things that really made these huge differences in the way people lived and then after the war With roswell and all these other things that were discussing we have this vertical rise i mean just a steep vertical ascent in electronic technology you know so the interesting thing is that your people confused technology and electronics. And then not always the same thing so you're the technology of like say electrification indoor plumbing television telephones,

1:03:30 Through all the different parts of the country in a rural parts that were once pretty isolated and not technology right got some massive leaping technology but then we have this. vertical leap with the electronics. But the interesting thing about it is that it's conditioned us to believe, A, that this upward climb is going to last forever and in fact, it stopped you know like the rate of technological and scientific discovery has basically ended you know we're past the age of discovery now And I believe very strongly that we're gonna start

1:04:07 Our technology declined because of lack of expertise because there's a certain mentality that you need to maintain this massive technological infrastructure. You know like a work ethic that younger people just simply don't have because they've grown up taking all the stuff for granted right and those charts that you posted that show the The technological progress, they also coincide with the timeline for depression deaths of despair drug deaths divorce rate the decline of spirituality. These are all trends that take a real nose dive right at that same time after 1947 which would be signs of this ultra terrestrial cultural deconstruction. Let's rescue argument he doesn't to the best my knowledge state out loud

1:05:01 But that's his basic argument at the same time. We've had this technological explosion we've had this this human Precipitous drop, you know one of the things that rashki talks about and I couldn't find a quote for it online but I know that when I first became familiar with his work he talked about like how just The very presence of these UFOs of you know what? You talk about like these sporadic sightings and these things are showing up here in there That they have a demoralizing effect They have a demoralizing effect on people because like all of the sudden we're not at the top of food chain anymore. All of a sudden, maybe our technology that we take such pride in isn't all that impressive and maybe all our technology came from somewhere else right? That's part of this deconstruction process is in wartime you always go after the enemy's morale right? You know and we're seeing this now with the constant assault on like American history

1:05:59 from like the woke brigades, you know. This constant assault on our science and our math... Like math is racist now right? And ironically a study funded by Bill Gates like what's his motivation for getting people of color to believe that math is a white thing? You know, what's that? That's- Gates has a whole other discussion entirely but you know so Rasky's argument it just like the fact We're confronted with a superior technology that doesn't really seem to care all that much about getting into contact with us. That's me is more demoralizing than if they like landed on the white house lot of the weather in the white house line. I would tell that they took seriously enough,

1:06:48 To want to initiate open diplomacy, right? And not like they just like we're just lab rat. We're like in those Discovery Channel documentaries where you know they set up all these hidden cameras all over the place and observe I don't know gorillas or tigers or whatever you know just observed their behavior and so on. That's basically what the inference is by how we perceive the UFO phenomenon, whether or not it's based in any kind of objective reality is irrelevant. Okay? It's what I'm talking about. It's like if you believe that your possessed by some sort of entity that has this agenda really convinced to it, that's not going to change anything If that entity is just totally imaginary, you are going to act the same exact way that somebody who believes that entity

1:07:42 Israel would and it's the same thing with your phone whether or not you are frozen real they are deconstructing our place in the universe that deconstructing our sense of ourselves. I look at when the show up to shop after the war which is basically a battle of technology right there is no photos concurrent with like this whole scientism yellow like the whole rise of cold rational fifties man who has no time for superstition or spirituality, you know like the sort of Anne Randian figure. You know the sort of John Galt figure right? So it's concurrent with that and what happens on the tail end to that...so we start in 50s with UFO thing and then we have events like Washington DC flyovers in 52 and so on and so forth And what is at the tail end of that? The tail end of that is Timothy Leary

1:08:41 LSD at harvard and then that soon leads into this whole. Sixties aquarium revolution and you know even though i don't personally believe that this was all some cia up, see a certainly were very involved in there is no question about that they were help exacerbate trends that have been repeating throughout history, you know like we've had countercultural explosions long before there was ever a CIA. So I think those kind of explanations are simplistic but we certainly can't argue against that so We see ourselves like I said a totally different world in 1947 most people

1:09:23 They go to church, they don't really believe it. It's not something that they really...it's just a social obligation right? And then we have this whole 50s thing and the march of science and the march of progress and scientific man, modern man, space age Sputnik and all these kind of things. What does that ultimately lead to? It all leads to Woodstock and Altamont and Charles Manson! So its really a very fascinating experiment, you know if you want to test this whole idea of cultural deconstruction well there it is! It's like right there in front of you. It's laid out in front of you and and if you look at say the psychedelic movement particularly in San Francisco and London I mean UFOs were a huge part of it UFO iconography even like the UFO club in London was where like The Pink Floyd and all those groups played so whether or not you believe in the objective reality

1:10:15 of the ufo is almost irrelevant when it comes to testing rachis thesis yeah and when it comes to you at all calls me Even jealous sizing of contact is like george damski the themes are usually the same global government accepting the space brothers with open arms world economies utopian visions i have guests here all the time who wait until promoting that kind of stuff the galactic federation of light and all that. and always try to check them and say are we sure this is what we want it also seems odd that they will acknowledge that the elite are manipulating in deceiving the masses but yet the masses have to ask for help and issues this weird catch twenty two

1:11:05 Type of logic that will never actually happen to get the sprays brothers to help us we've got a continually ask and do all these things it just seems very odd that whole round doesn't make any sense but it also sounds a bit too trusting for my taste in you talk about is kinda being like a cosmic communism, oh absolutely all the contactees all preach this global totalitarianism. that we need it's for our own good because we're destroying ourselves, we're destroying ourselves with nuclear weapons or with the environment. Whatever the case may be, we need this intervention from this greater force and I think the first person who really sort of popularizes that is George Adamski and his blonde venutions that he meets out in the desert say that you need to institute communism but i think that you can trace this back

1:12:03 to the roots of all this, which is you know the Theosophical Movement. So the Theosophical Movement is basically talking about extraterrestrials right? You know like... The Great White Lodge and so on and so forth I mean they're basically space brothers there's no difference between these entities that Blavatsky or Alice Bailey claim to be in contact with and say Samjasa and Askit with Billy Meyer it's all a continuum its all the same mode of thinking And Theosophy and its offshoots all preach like this very totalitarian, authoritarian mode of thinking. You know one of the examples of a neo-theosophical pretty well known group that sort of taught this was Elizabeth Clare Crawford and her Summit Lighthouse Group She's basically preaching the same message from Blavatsky you know Saint Germain

1:13:01 The great white lodge and all these kind of people but it all leads to this geopolitical paranoia. And you know the radical sort of anti russian thing that ironically liberals have embraced now, this neo mccarthyism but it also leads to a very personalized cult like mentality one example I know we talked about having gate on your show in I think that Marshall Applewhite, comparatively to most cult leaders was rather benign. And i think most of the people who sort of drank the Kool-Aid so to speak literally ultimately in the end but they're all on board for the agenda but it was all very highly controlled and those guys were also castrating themselves you know this whole idea that when you talk about what Tracy was talking about with

1:13:57 the gala, you know the priesthood Kaibel that were linked to the Mithraic cults. It's all about...you need to deny yourself pleasure and sensuality in order to reach this higher state. You know what I'm saying? So that goes back forever as well but it all see this is the ironic thing about it and it's all about these bargains with these ultra-terrestrial entities. Some people just look at them as angels, some people will look at them as a pantheon of pagan gods or all the other divinities and semi-divinities and demigods in these ancient quote unquote pagan systems where this got really complicated but whether it's the saints in Catholicism whatever way you want to choose to put

1:14:50 It's all about like, I will get this from them if i do this. If I give up this, I need to give up this like they want something of value taken from me in order that they will give me something which I perceive is greater and return so it's no different whether it's Marshall Applewhite or Jehovah's Witnesses or you name it! Up and down the line it's all like I will sacrifice this for the good You're not only the good of myself in the community, but so I will get the better things down the line. Mm-hmm and it's funny you mentioned pagan gods that was one of the next things i was going to ask you about because In some of your other recent posts you write about the Current state of the elite right now and you point out two major things one They have dominated every field But they don't seem satisfied in fact they seem panicked And lack the confidence you'd expect from

1:15:45 For someone in that situation and two as you been saying since the earliest days of the blog a central feature of the elites overall agenda is the great restoration of the old cults of state well, no look at the symbolism that you've been covering very potent you cover some examples like inauguration and the. annual new year's eve performances is there a connection between these old cults of state and the ultra terrestrials we've been talking about are they one in the same why are they going back to these all symbols to resurrect them, if it really doesn't seem all that necessary because their showing themselves in different ways today but they delete seemed to be wanting to use this old ancient symbols maybe theres a reason for that.

1:16:32 Well, it's really a question of semantics. Are these all extraterrestrials or are these my valued pagan gods that I pray to and make sacrifices to on a daily basis because they will save me from whatever? Or they'll save the state you know like the cult estate The whole idea of the cult estate is to take religious adherence and focus it on the polity You know in politics on the government so When you talk about things like cult of state, people tend to get their backs up. Like what are you talking? We're going to worship Zeus again? Is that what you mean?" Well maybe... You might not recognize that it is Zeus because you don't understand the symbolism I think we are seeing a massive move towards state worship and i think the whole COVID thing has only accelerated that Submit to the ever-changing and ever evolving dictates of State authority or

1:17:37 authority beyond the state, you know, the CDC or the WHO. Or Dr Bill Gates whatever it may be and if you don't accede to the authority of the state then you are an insurrectionist so we're really seeing the same kind of thinking that led to the persecution of Christians in the early Christian era You know We're really seeing the same process because There's a really pernicious kind of misconception that was taught in people's religious training back when people had religious training, that the Christians were persecuted by the Romans for religious reasons. I mean it is ultimately but they were ultimately also persecuted for political reasons because the cult and the state were the same. The emperor was God on earth and that's how it evolved after

1:18:41 Augustus, if you didn't bow to the authority the godhood of the emperor. You were an insurrectionist right? You are betraying The state and the state is the people that people as the state, it's a very totalitarian kind of mentality that we see in the 20th century with fascism and communism because they're both set up as cults of State Your people go, what is fascism or Nazism or communism? You know is it as a philosophy isn't an economic theory. No It's a cult of state. It's basically the old Roman State Cult reinvented for the 20th century so there's very little difference So we're having the same process already We're seeing it happen and then you know the whole thing with the masks, you know a year ago They said don't wear a mask. It's not only gonna change anything but it's gonna make your condition worse

1:19:40 Okay, and then now it's like we're three masks right because what it is Is that the mask and this is something I talked about back? You know when you were talking about 2017 when I was looking at all these Like where orange day. You know wear orange for this wear orange for that wear orange for this It's all about instilling conformity You know what I mean? It's like wear orange for, uh, school shootings. So if you show up not wearing orange, you're like, well what the hell are where do you, you'd like school shootings with how's it matter to where are you? Do you like killing kids? You know what I mean? Like that's the whole mentality that evolves around that. So cults always have like cults accessories let's say called called garb. So the mass uniform exactly so the math just becomes the uniform of the state cult

1:20:33 And like you mentioned, and I've been talking about for a while since the election is that the deep state as it were they control everything now. They control all the branches of government and they always controlled or controlled for a long time all the institutions in the media schools NGOs nonprofits and so on. So now they have control over everything but just Read the news watch the news. I mean do these people seem like particularly happy to you Do they feel like triumphant because they are triumphant they control everything now They have like unprecedented, you know in American history There's never been a faction political faction that has as much control over every lever of state power

1:21:24 as the faction in power do now. I call them Rockefeller Republicans because what happened during the Clinton era is that the Rockefeller Republicans were sort of eased out, they're sort of kicked out of the Republican Party with the election of Reagan in 1980. They sort of were in the wilderness for a while and played footsie with Bush for awhile but then they really came back to power with Clinton and that's what we see now. We see what is called the Democratic Party now, is actually run by the neocons and neoliberals which are all just outgrowths of the Rockefeller Republican Party. But do these people seem happy? Do they seem triumphant like this whole panic...they had that panic about March 4th and Washington was going to be invaded by militias and then the city is still locked down after that ridiculous

1:22:23 Display on january six you know these idiots just running around breaking things up all the sudden that's become an insurrection even though absolutely nobody was armed except for the police and what difference would it make you could see the cab this is not like a thirteenth century you know if he sees the palace senate you know like saying rome it's not like you know silicon marches troops into rome in then seize the senate and take control of government if you see the senate today They'll just replace them with another bunch of idiots. Because they're all puppets, right? So it's the whole thing was just absurd but there is a tremendous amount of fear out there that I sense and you know I have people who comment on the blog very much into the whole catastrophism kind of idea that what this is really about is some sort of major catastrophe coming that has to do with the sun or something maybe something

1:23:18 Along the lines of knowing but hopefully less drastic so like the thing that they're really afraid of isn't like a bunch of rednecks running around waving Trump banners They're afraid of something else right? The time's up, but I don't know exactly what form that would take. I mean does that take some sort of catastrophism Like you know problem with me is that when you start talking about catastrophism It's like how I feel about the space program. I mean now they're talking about like the space hotels and They were talking about space hotels in 1987. I don't know how old you are in 1987, but that's a long time ago right? Yeah it was 34 years ago that they said the space hotel is right around the corner because they're going to use all of the discarded rocket engines from the shuttle flights It's just nonsense and I've gotten so cynical about this stuff because listen I was a big true believer with all this stuff

1:24:14 Robotics and you know just all the sort of comic book science, but I just really came to believe that it's just all hype. It's never manifested the way they say it well because you know Peter Thiel said something very interesting he said You know we've had a lot of luck with electrons ie electronics not so much with atoms And that's why you know all our modes of transportation are still exactly the same yeah man and Initially we were talking about the theme for today being the end of everything, superheroes, the free and open internet, Hollywood and of course ufology. I personally think these threads that we're talking about today are a lot deeper in a more accurate analysis of high strangeness in UFOs than

1:24:57 the typical simplistic discourse but what does this all say about the to the stars academy and what is looking like a total nose dive of an operation at this point. Does this lucifer's technology context help explain the framing that TTSA tried to pull off or why this operation was even put into motion? You know when I get paranoid, i start to think that the whole point of TTSA was to destroy ufology Because I don't know if you remember, but say like 2015 when i went back and looked at my archives. I was just like boy is talking about your phone a lot because that was what people were talking about and I think If I want to get really cynical it's like well UFOs with kind of meshing with all these conspiratorial themes and all these other things Alex Jones would sort of flirt with these things as well

1:25:57 And they just needed some big boondoggle to crash and burn in a really embarrassing way. And basically, kill you fallgy but when I get a little more cogent, a little more sober, I just think like what really happened at TTSA is that Tom DeLonge went on Joe Rogan and just shit the bed. That was like...I've never seen a more humiliating self-owned than that appearance. You're never going to get a more sympathetic hearing from Joe Rogan, right? When he talks about UFOs and the guy's always had all these other people like Elizondo and everything on. Tom DeLonge sort of set himself up as the figurehead of this even though I don't believe for a second that he actually was. All these ex-CIA and Lockheed people driving this thing from the get go brought DeLonge on board because

1:26:58 Like a lot of boomers they think that time to longer still relevant people i agree with you know it's only time the line quit blank what twenty years ago now and nobody. Cares about that at all anymore me certainly not anybody born, after what, 1987 or something? They're basically cycled out of the culture. They should have got grimes or something! Yeah well that's coming believe me don't worry about that I think really what happened is that i think there was a lot of high hopes that they could steer the interest in ufology and particularly the conspiratorial kind of angle

1:27:47 You fall into the lock you see i a s r i johns hopkins remember you know the establishment agenda. Take that energy from your phone community as it were in steer towards their goals but the problem is they got on the wrong horse and. Yeah i think time long is really talented angels and airways band i mean, Some of that stuff i really like because it's like totally eighties it's like totally my school but he was just a disaster and that's why I like after the road and things they just really started showing side for. Elizondo in david fraser and all these other people but, i just think it was just complete and total botched job and i can tell you i feel kind of sorry for too long because he destroyed that

1:28:43 So that would have been his out, that would have been his escape hatch. You know when you're looking down the barrel at cultural irrelevancy, you can sort of segue into hobnobbing with all these people like Chris Mellon and so on. I just think it was a tremendously bad miscalculation and this is why i don't believe that this technocratic utopia dystopia Is going to lead anything but disaster and maybe they know that maybe the country realize and not behind the fear is that. All these plans smart cities internet of things,

1:29:27 You name it up and down the line they're not gonna work because. Did you see if they can see in wishful thinking and not in real politics and cold hard reality and i think that when u ask me about. TTS saying along i mean i think thats just a great microcosm it shows you that you can take all these top guys, From the quote unquote deep state up and down line. And then you can put them on this board right and try and sell this whole ufo thing as their product but then they pick time to log which is the error in the calculation that just basically sinks the whole enterprise so i feel really sorry for him because another reason i feel sorry for him because he went through a very long period when i was

1:30:13 having issues with opioids and chronic pain, so on. And I just remember the talk he gave in 2017, you know the initial presentation, I was just looking at that guy going that guy's got a massive opioid problem maybe that's his total conjecture and opinion but it just reminded me like i just recognized the sweating and puffiness and stammering seemed very familiar to me Right on and to revisit the lucifer's technology posts you updated one yesterday that was pretty interesting and you say that when it comes to the people involved here you call van ever bush the godfather

1:31:00 you write that compared to van of our bush every single person who's worked in silicon valley in the past forty years is hardly anything more than an electronic janitor and every single person working at high tech in the past twenty years combined, is absolutely nothing in comparison. how even albert einstein himself was a weekend hobbyist compared to this guy please note that bush was on the board of directors of bell labs parent company when the transistor was revealed to the world, well that's very interesting of course fan of our bush no real relation is ever been found the bush family everybody always ask me about that but it is a curious name.

1:31:38 What about van of our bush i mean obviously he was at ground zero for this thing how do you, how do you see him being involved he has to probably know where a lot of this came from if the really was so. Fixated in this world is it fascinating person and three that i wrote about him and your the sort of thrust of article that i was presenting there is that you ask me if you knew about like the origin stuff or how the stuff rose I point to this whole idea that he wrote this book in 67 called science is not enough and that all the science and technology was not going to save us because it can't answer the big questions so does that necessarily imply that he. Where are you i mean if this is true he had to wear the same sky was basically the scientific establishment personified him he's running

1:32:36 All these different, you know MIT AT&T Sandia labs. I mean you name it the Manhattan project this guy was at the center of everything so You know It's one of these things that just like who are these people that just show up and just can master everything and none of what we experience today What we're doing right now would be possible without this guy none of it, you know Like the whole joke Al Gore Start up the internet back in whenever i got a car bush literally start up the internet nineteen forty five and he published it, record that memex publish an article in time magazine where you basically laid out no use concept for the internet but also for search engines. You basically created google and the internet in one fell swoop so we hear someone to attack and stamina everything and its interesting to me that like all this stuff peaks

1:33:41 and fell when Epstein was taken back into court. That was sort of the whole scientific ascendancy, the ascendancy of scientism basically died when he was back in legal jeopardy I've said this all along that i think the whole stem worship, worship of science and technology, I think he was driving a lot of that with his money And the people behind him were driving a lot of it For their own reasons but everybody who works in silicon valley now they're not inventing anything nobody's invented anything for ages. All the doing is just taking you know like the whole idea of force that just taking forks and just writing your own code over them all it takes existing technologies and oftentimes making them worse often times these operating system upgrades are terrible

1:34:40 Apple's had a real problem with that, with the desktop systems. Because I think they're more focused on the phones but everybody working in Silicon Valley for at least the past 20 years are just making money off of other people's ideas so you know you talk about Facebook i mean facebook is just AOL I keep saying this I don't know how many people remember like AOL dial-up when it was this whole app It wasn't not a website But if you look at like the AOL app What is the difference between that and facebook right there's groups chat rooms. Yeah they had the hometown thing we could build your own personal website so the whole idea that like facebook is anything new original even if you discount the whole idea with a winkle boss brothers coming up with a whole idea for the facebook in first place

1:35:34 It's just a well man it is things that we've already known about and all the stuff everything that were dealing with goes back to. Xerox park in the first place you know go back to late sixties and early seventies and you can go back on youtube and watch these videos yes certainly be technology was kind of goofy looking because i was all simulated in the first place but it was all who's on placement, i like one thing i have always talked about school back in what 2001 Would you ever think for any reason except for like a couple of like the readout so that fonts that they use. That couldn't be made yesterday it's just astonishing to me how little that film is age because the context of technology is so familiar even have like transparent optical storage

1:36:31 Transparent optical storage, I don't even remember what that was like. Maybe the early 90s when it was commercialized? Maybe the mid 80's? So none of the technology is new that we're experiencing now It just put in different combinations or its updated but its not new and this is the whole impetus behind the Luciferous Technology series in the first place How did this stuff just pop out of nowhere with no precedent how did they come up with this stuff All the stuff that we take for granted now, I mean you had these computers that were the size of houses. And needed like these huge fan and cooling systems just so they wouldn't explode because of all the vacuum tubes but at the same time they were working with things a wrist watch is 100 thousand times more powerful than as far as computing power, they were still creating

1:37:31 The entire infrastructure that we take for granted now even though they didn't have access to the kind of computing power and listen i don't believe this whole mythology that was all like no alien bases in our chalet so that their head a thousand years technology and you see this out to us i don't believe that i just personally But it came from somewhere, you know? Somebody had the idea for this. You know when you talk about Tesla I mean Tesla said that he was receiving transmissions from Mars and they were giving him all his ideas! And you know Tesla is sort of like a marginal character in a lot people's eyes but there are a lot of other people more people than you would imagine that would make these claims A great example is the Palomar Observatory down near you

1:38:22 George ellery hale said that some sort of elf or fairy left through his window and told him to do this thing. Really i never heard that yeah you know so there are a lot of these kind of stories then, you think well maybe this is just some sort of schizoid mind like i always say that like genius and madness share driveway no it's always bumping up against each other But like I said, this goes back a very very long time. This goes back to the mythology of the Watchers. This goes back to the mythology of the Kibiri and on and on and on you know? You know, I don't want to get all George Soukalos about this! Know what i mean? Right... but these things do happen see this is the fascinating thing to me when you talk about the nature of the extraterrestrials in this whole process deconstruction so we've yet

1:39:17 Discover any credible or consistent evidence about nuts and bolts extraterrestrials. And you have a lot of people who spend a lot of time looking at the question, your phone is who become non et people jack valet john keel it to great examples i mean nobody's looked at the ufo question more than they had. And they dispensed with the whole nuts and bolts explanation So what else is going on? Well, what we do know is going on is that we have very consistent and very reliable and predictive almost experiences with all the trust rules through powerful hallucinogens. People report the same thing as they see the same things now is there cultural contamination at work maybe

1:40:07 But one thing that I've always talked about, you know my own experience when I was having these really bad Jacob's Ladder type fevers and what I called for a number of years the leprechaun shows up in my living room. And my living room all of a sudden is another dimension it's like another landscape altogether. The thing that I found out not too long ago which has fascinated me is exactly what I saw or remember seeing the local native and indigenous tribes referred to as what was called the Pukwudgie. So, what I experienced has been experienced by people going back hundreds if not thousands of years and describing the very same kind

1:40:50 Creatures when i hear about the machine elves and i see some of these drawings in the she knows nothing well then not far from what i saw him when i discuss this with graham hancock he said. Yeah well you know those dmt circuits in your brain can be tripped by high fever as well as, these chemical compounds so you know if it was actually gonna find windows on all of this But, you know. There you go! So I don't know if i'd go on record as saying is this some sort of objective evidence for this phenomenon but we do have just a remarkable corpus of anecdotal testimonial and evidence given under controlled conditions going back a very long time as to this phenomenon so personally I think it's real I don't know if I could ever objectively prove

1:41:45 At this moment, I maybe need to do a little more research. But it also ties in a lot of these other questions that i've been looking at for a long time and like I said I realize now that I've just been looking at the same phenomenon from all these different vantage points. Yeah man cheers all that and to equate this to synchronicism you also write The guy who got me started on all this synchronicism stuff 25 years ago told me he believed it was ultimately the work of entities that exist outside our concept of reality and can manipulate events in our own dimension like a child plays with blocks. This guy was as good at this stuff as anyone has ever been, had legit scientific credentials in chemical engineering

1:42:32 And was utterly convinced of this and to tell you the truth i think it drove him insane well. I don't know how much you wanna say about him in particular but that is a sentiment that's definitely on theme today yeah and when he told me that i just thought here is not. I thought like oh i had other good reasons to believe that he sort of got around the band no he sort of develop these, Mono maniacal fixation like i want to talk about that right but so the funny thing is that i discovered this guy on the internet right this back in like early nineties so i come across this guy and i sort of seen his work and read his work for a number years and we started then develop this kind of adversarial relationship and then

1:43:26 We sort of came to a dayton and then we became friendly and we discussed a lot things when we talk about cases in stuff that were looking at but you know what are the things that was really fascinating is that i discovered that he had been living. I think it might even been born and raised there in the next town over from this is just some random guy discover on the internet and i think at the time who's down in houston and i discovered that she's like, Right next door to me and we're both like, oh okay well it's. This is a sign you know get any clearer than that so let's sort of work this out. So he was great i think he was a little too influenced by downard and one thing that bothers me about downer there are lot things about me but the thing that really bothered me about downer just sorta like his horseshoes and hand grenades approach to this stuff and I found

1:44:24 over the past, I guess 25 years now that when you're approaching synchronicism. The better results come when a limit your field of reference and you focus on a particular set of symbol systems and be you try to be as precise as possible. You know lot of people particularly people in this starting out with stuff they throw everything in Hindu Greek biblical whatever they throw it all in That way they can get all the hits they want. And I've always just found that really lazy and counterproductive, and i think the best way to approach this stuff like i said is to limit your field of vision limit the variables that you're working with and be as precise and exact as you can possibly because there's a paradox there at first you think well i'm just limiting my potential for hits here but

1:45:24 If you're really dealing with a force, and synchronicity is whatever it is. It's going to paradoxically increase your results and that's another field of discussion but this whole idea of these entities like I said I thought he was crazy when we talked about it then I just discovered the people like you know Roshki were talking about the stuff This is kind of controversial and some people have claimed that it was a hoax, but you know the famous British astronomer Fred Hoyle was said to have talked about this. But also you know a lot of prominent people who were in very influential positions in the government and military and so on agreed basically read what this guy was saying I just hadn't been made aware that so I think there's widespread opinion

1:46:22 Among people who sort of look into these things that we are dealing with some sort of entity or entities. That have powers beyond our reckoning because they exist in another dimension but also can't exist and i think if you really want to get a good sort of primer on this a good introduction is your listeners i really recommend you watch the movie, my friend prophecies because like the john keel character it's gonna break down two very simple sound bites And i think it's a good introduction to this way of thinking. I agree and going with that idea that we are in an apocalypse a revealing of things and crumbling society as we know it another post called if the thunder doesn't get you the lightning will u right,

1:47:15 We'll probably experience a series of cascading natural disasters, real plagues and wars and rumors of war like all the times before. Not to minimize the inevitable suffering in store for all us but this is just part of the process of renewal in the same way fires renew forests by doing away with deadwood and thatch." Well it does seem like the road ahead looks grim but how much of this stuff comes from an interaction with the other side things like. The crumbling of society and all this man made stuff in our structures in our way of life sure but things like natural disasters and real plagues in particular seem like they're kind of outside the scope of our control does these things have anything to do with those interactions from beyond the veil

1:48:10 Well i think they have something to do with their actions in that when these things happen which could be just part of earth changes and just part of the cycle of the planets lifetime but. They open up the open up our awareness to other influences so it does have something to do with it but not in that this awareness is influencing this This catastrophic process more than the catastrophic process is influencing our awareness of it. And this is the same principle behind shamanic initiation for instance, you know that shamanic initiation and medicine man initiation all these other names for the same phenomena, the same kind of people, the same kind of consciousness

1:49:08 These people are traumatized, they're put through ordeals. They're put through sometimes really horrific and humiliating ordeals often of a very sexual nature often very young people and this goes back to primitive times it's also the same phenomenon that we see in like say the Mithraic cult where its initiation by ordeal and its whole idea that when you experience trauma and your process trauma That it increases your awareness to the subtle around me so i'm a forces now i mean that's. Objectively very fucked up for you right but we just see this throughout history and we see people who have had like the shamanic powers this shamanic charisma or, how is of awareness and consciousness often have experience trauma

1:50:04 And sometimes very serious trauma, sometimes when they're very young. So I think that it is the inverse of that process maybe somebody can argue like a holistic thing or would argue that its all part of a continuum that the butterfly effect kind of deal but im not ready to go there yet. So people really seem to love these interviews we do and the only negative feedback i tend to get is that weekend, get a bit grim and i don't disagree with that but i want to fold in something from recent post called the year of thinking magically colon possibility because it does offer little hope in a way you right.

1:50:49 I'm not gonna try to define what magical thinking should be in terms of method or dogma. I don't really subscribe to that either, but I do have what I think is a very practical goal or result that magical thinking should lead you to and that is a sense of possibility. Possibility is a rare commodity these days and it seems that there are a lot of people whose profession is essentially to limit possibility. Childhood is or should be a time for magical thinking as well as the time of great possibility. It all comes very easy to kids, even those in bad circumstances and makes you wonder if all of these scholastic pressure that's being put on certain kids these days is part of an attempt to rub out that magical thinking and limit possibility because as far as I can tell that's exactly what it's doing." Well, I definitely like all that and before its snuffed out completely

1:51:42 What would you say about the importance of possibility and not allowing our options to be whittled away to sitting around waiting for the next marvel movie or identifying the latest mass singer we should strive for more. And a lot of times were focused on negative especially with cove it all this stuff people are really just being led around by the nose following the next bit of quote unquote science, And that's taking up our mental real estate as well and we're losing that sense of possibility what would you say about maybe. What we can do to be in the right mind state and not let ourselves get monopolized dominated by the narratives, no i think it just physically limiting your exposure there is no like for instance i'm really limiting my exposure social media. And i find that i feel a lot better about if i feel like better when im not

1:52:41 Hate scrolling through tweets, you know I agree. But feel a lot better when I'm not just reading like every asshole saying stupid Destructive things just because they're desperate for attention. I think that has a lot to do with it You know when you talk about childhood the whole idea of was Jesus said To reach the kingdom of heaven you have to be like a child and I think it's a The kind of idea that you need to have that knowing that open this where you receiving information that a lot of people are conditioned to cut off but you just see. Possibility that you've been conditioned by society public education by the media by hollywood, limit your thinking to limit your sense of possibilities certain variables

1:53:34 And overcoming that I think is just one of the great ways of breaking out of that. This is kind of an aside but, I've really been obsessed with the TV series Millennium from the 90's and they did a great episode called The Room With No View. It was basically about this devil character, this shape-shifting androgynous demon called Lucy Butler Becomes a becomes a guidance counselor in school and takes the most promising kids just lock them in a room by themselves and displays music. I think the old sixty song love is blue over and over again to drain them of their uniqueness and drain them up there potential,

1:54:20 That's a really good metaphor for public education, you know. Or at least most public education because really what most public education is geared towards doing is preparing you to fill a slot in the industrial economy and I think overcoming that programming even like the most well-meaning teachers and the most well meaning educators there still Operating within this infrastructure the system and so the hands are almost kind of tired. But yeah i believe very strongly that is having a conversation last night where's time like becoming increasingly larry about the idea magic and more drawing towards the idea of mysticism, i think for a lot of people there's no difference between two right now that magic and mysticism basically

1:55:16 The same thing but i see them as just two different approaches to the goal you know and magic is like well im going to impose my will on my environment human environment, where's social environment on my financial environment yeah i'm gonna pose my will to reach x amount of goals names. And then the mystic ideas like i am going to surrender to these forces that are greater than i And with the confidence that those forces that I tune myself to are going to lead me where i want to go. The metaphor is used as a metaphor of the ocean, you're from San Diego well i guess you grew up in the midwest so... Yeah yeah. I don't know how much time he spent on the ocean but I spent alot of time on the ocean when I was kid because I grew up on the water and the thing that you really learned about the ocean and the tides and currents and so forth

1:56:21 You are never gonna be able to beat them you never know how to impose your will on even a week current you had two. Surrender yourself and learn to work with it in one of the examples that i give is that there's this river we start basically ride the rapids you don't have like a boat or any other people do what can i accept we just dive in and just swim But you're riding this current, this very strong current. It's the tide coming in and it is the most powerful force on the planet and if you try to fight it, he would pull you under but if you surrendered yourself to it, it would lift you up. Do you see what I'm saying? And it seems like so paradoxical but that's what I learned in the ocean when we tried to fight the current that's when you sink

1:57:13 If you surrender yourself to the current, the power of the current is gonna lift you up and if you just learn to steer yourself with that current in certain ways, you get where you wanna go. Because the first time I tried this, I nearly drowned! And then i learned through my own Experiment like nobody taught me how to do this but i just learned the next time i went in. Don't fight the current work with the car and that's a mystical idea as opposed to the magical idea, what are the problems i have with the magic light is that i think it just tends to be very isolating you know your isolate yourself within your own field of interest within your own. You know your own systems your own practice where i think the better thing to do is to

1:57:59 Open yourself up open yourself up to other people you know finding the others as gordon says and. Surrender yourself to these powers because they will lift you up i mean these are different parts like this is like a difference between like an earth power and like another part of it so that's all the rest rules, are outside our influence but there also these powers and thrones and dominions, so on and so forth that are native to this realm or you know this world. So speak that I think are more beneficial in the long run at least less deceptive and duplicitous like i believe these alter terrestrial entities no matter how you wish to couch them always seem to be. I like it

1:58:49 And on the subject of possibility if we didn't have the. Ultra terrestrial deconstruction of culture at the roswell working and similar events never impose themselves on our world, what would human society and culture look like in your eyes is there any picture you can paint as to how it would've gone better or differently Well you know hypothetically speaking if we see these entities at work in our world today there's no reason to assume that they have not been at work before so we have no reason to believe that these. Entities

1:59:36 I'm not been with us all along right and i think what you want to things is that. You look again i don't wanna get george suculosis on your but you know one of the things i was looking at today was how there were a lot of ufo sightings in ancient rome and a lot of them if not most of them welled up during these very crucial maker breakpoints in history the empire So for instance, like the first wave of sightings in Rome was during the second Punic War. The war with Carthage which was an existential battle for both really and that ironically enough not only did we have the UFO sighting but that's also when

2:00:22 the goddess Kybel was raised into the pantheon because of all these just Fortean signs and wonders. And you can go back and read the historian Livy where he talks about all this stuff, it's like reading The National Enquirer but it was written 2000 years ago! Not only that but it changed the course of the empire, changed the pantheon for a state cult nothing could possibly be more momentous than that so I just don't know if we have ever been independent of these hypothetical beings. I don't see any compelling reason, you know this is a whole like ufology nuts and bolts thing where like the atom bombs were set off and that sort of got the attention of these distant spaceships from wormholes and then they came into our dimension and so on and so forth i mean i don't really necessarily think there's much to be gained from that way of thinking but you know i kind of think

2:01:21 Did you watch Twin Peaks The Return? No, I didn't. It's on the list and i've heard it's good but I haven't watched it. Okay when you watch it you're going to get to the eighth episode and anybody who's watched the series knows exactly what you know like the eighth episode is like a thing you know it's like oh shit the eighth episode so it's basically about the trinity chests in New Mexico not far from Roswell right not far at all actually certainly in context of New Mexico right um but The trinity test sort of summoned all these malignant entities into this realm and that's sort of the basis of the entire Twin Peaks mythology. And the Twin Peaks mythology is really well spelled out in Twin Peaks to Return, but you know this is a whole again where I'm getting back to this whole idea with Roswell it's like

2:02:13 Just the locations that we're talking about, the alignments. They just could not be any more explicitly ritualistic in my opinion. Never mind the fact that Roswell itself is in Lincoln County which was just basically a Freemasonic stomping grounds for most of its existence you know? So it's like again this whole idea of overkill where you look for variable You know to connect certain variables or certain I don't know mythological system symbol system whatever event Whatever sort of significant thing you wish to connect it to with the whole Roswell thing. It just keeps coming up Keeps coming up roses no pun intended, so I can't see for the life in me how this could be

2:02:57 Anything but a ritual. I think even the whole way it played out, like the whole idea of oh we hits the newspapers hits the wire surfaces army air force recovers crash flying saucer you know and that gets into the news cycle and then like a day or two later it's just like this weather balloon you know you know, this whole mythology sort of... And this is like where I think people like Stanton Friedman and some of the Roswell researchers do have a leg to stand on because a lot of the stories that they used to explain this whole thing away were just bullshit on the face of it. You know? Like the whole thing with Mogul watches being secret and so on which they weren't. So that kind of things seems to be, to me, to be another indication of some sort of ritualistic aspect to this. Makes sense!

2:03:44 Another thing i was gonna ask about if we were to look at other points in this timeline where contact was made or the worlds were bridged and some sense similar to a ross well working event another post you write about. declassified nineteen eighty three army document exploring the mechanics of remote viewing and obese out about experience you say, of course it's from nineteen eighty three i'm telling you something happened that year some kind of portal or gateway open and after that this world began to change in some fundamental fashion Well, that's provocative. Can you elaborate on why you see 1983 being such a key year for this sort of stuff too? Part of it is that I lived through it and experienced it and it just felt different. There's this weird thing where like all the decades I've lived through the 80s every year feels very specifically different to me

2:04:45 1981 and 1982 just feel completely different. And 1983 feels completely different than all of them, I mean 1983 in a lot of ways feels very different than any year i've lived since. I don't feel this way about the 70s, I don't feel this way about the 90's or whatever... A lot of these years just sort of flow together but like the 80s to me for some reason everything seems very specific but you just sensed it and if you want to get a sense that what im talking Have you seen the movie repo man not repo men. Maybe i'm confusing with the repo man but it's been a while either way ok if u wanna know what im talking about this whole nineteen eighty three thing watch the movie repo man doing with amelia west of as in harry dean stanton and all these other people because,

2:05:37 It's funny because I saw that movie, it keeps feeling like a sign in 1983 but then like premiered in very late 83 at some festival whatever and then went into release in 84 and so on so forth. But I feel like I started three but I feel like I signed anything because they just encapsulate set year so perfectly if you really want to understand what 1983 was all about watch that movie that's a good place to start but like so much with the internet was premiered in 1983. Like right, TCP IP which is the first true internet protocol is 1983 the first cell phone call was made in 1983 The Hudson Valley UFO flap which I guess sort of things like Phoenix and the interim have overshadowed it but you know the Hudson Valley UFO flap went on for a long time and a lot of people saw this stuff and a lot of people filmed this stuff and a lot of people reported

2:06:36 A lot of people feel that this is some sort of like Aurora test or TR38 test, whatever. You know some sort of experimental aircraft which could very well be true I just don't know where they would have launched these tests from when you get to the Hudson Valley but I mean thats neither here nor there but this was like a huge UFO flap that lasted for a long time and really ultimately results in communion you know Whitley Striebus communion which becomes like huge bestseller selling millions and millions copies and makes the whole Concept of alien abduction mainstream and that leads to men in black independence day in the x files everything this whole explosion, you fall into the main stream which we hadn't seen. You had it close encounters and so on those are very big kids but we didn't have this kind of sustained attention to stop it that we had

2:07:31 following that. So that's another big thing and you know, the police come up with the album of synchronicity which for a lot of people was their very first exposure to the term synchronicity I mean, you know sting obviously had no real practical understanding what synchronicity means but he wrote a couple songs about it You know and everybody heard like Synchronous. Everybody heard that song because everybody bought that out, you know so it's just like It planted the seeds in people's minds you know and you talk about the army document that's when. The rv program was brought into inscom you know which is like a big military command i mean they took this stuff seriously enough to want to fold it into the high echelon of the military,

2:08:17 Another thing that I think is really interesting too, is that Shirley MacLaine published Out on a Limb which is really you know you talk about like synchronicity being people's first exposure to that but like out on a limb is really how the New Age movement launches. You know it's that book and its power of her celebrity and then they made a TV movie about in couple years? She's really the driving force behind the new age movement. And today, the new age movement is so mainstream that people don't even think about it anymore! Like if you ask most people like is there a new-age movement? Does that say this and like oh no that's something 80s early 90s thing... It sort of petered out. No, the New Age Movement became so mainstream and so ubiquitous that people don't even recognize it anymore but there are Whole Foods everywhere yoga studios in every town there's astrology everywhere

2:09:09 You have psychics setting up storefronts in every big town, at least around here. I mean you can't drive down the street in any city in New Jersey without driving past four or five psychics you know? Acupuncture is now covered by insurance, chiropractic's covered by insurance...I mean the new age movement is so mainstream that it's not a movement anymore. It just is and again if you go back to history, you go back to 87, we had religious right which I mean, they're not even a spent force anymore. They're just a vestige. They're just a whipping boy for paranoid liberals now that have no power. They've no influence. They had a tremendous amount of influence in the late 80s and they been totally displaced by this movement, this new age religion that has no church or pope or anything that you can sort of target

2:10:04 And this to me coincides with the rise of Facebook, Google so on and so forth. I mean what do these companies really trade in? What's their product? What's their stock in trade it's just data! So like the most powerful and richest and most influential corporations in the world are just basically data mills you know what I mean? So we've gone from like IBM making hardware To companies mining and selling data and becoming the most powerful influential companies in the world like how did that happen. No no these companies actually produce anything it's just all software and i mean say, uber doesn't have a fleet of cars not maintaining a fleet of cars and drivers its all people who volunteer on case by case

2:11:01 Gig basis so the new age movement i think is really parallel that in the new age movement starts to see me here and the first cell phone call yeah. This whole thing this whole vibe with nineteen eighty three, that's some reason seems very important people do you see mandy with nicolas cage i know about mandy yes no please see mandy please i know it's very weird That takes place in 83, but you know the guy who made that film. The movie he made prior to that I think also takes place in 1983 beyond the black rainbow did you see that? I read your blog about it oh you gotta see both those movies because You need to like you need to fair because somebody's like want to talk about this stuff and like you're gonna wanna be able to parry

2:11:52 point for point. And then, you know there's a whole more recent example which blows my mind because these guys weren't even alive at the time but Stranger Things. You know not Stranger Things 2 and 3 which are trash but the original the real Stranger Things 1983 What is that movie about? It's about contact with ultra-terrestrials, you know. And like the bridge between their realm and ours being breached by MKUltra. Which are growing basically... See this is exactly what I'm talking about! They're training people say Eleven, she's the prime example in that episode or series She's being raised in this MKUltra program

2:12:38 To reach the dimensional wall and then disaster results so why did they set it in nineteen eighty three. Like why would you just pick that year if you haven't even been born yet i think they picked up your because a. Whoever they were consulting with or whoever was handling them told him that that's the year you want to go with or be like somehow they just sense it like in the ether that nineteen eighty three is the year that's the year we got a choose because thats when this really happened in real life and i really do believe that i mean, at the time i thought it was very positive thing not exactly sure that whatever crossed over in nineteen eighty three wasn't positive benevolent for all i know could be.

2:13:21 But something just happened that year and what else happened at you the world almost came to nuclear war armageddon on several occasions there was able archer. There was a downing of double seven with the american congressman on it and then there was the false alarm Event select the world almost came to like missiles being launched three times in nineteen eighty three maybe that entity is trying to influence them and just couldn't get it done i don't know man who knows what ever entities crossed over where preventing this.

2:14:02 from half, you know what I mean? Like maybe those 47 entities were trying to like wipe the sake clean. And these 83 entities are like, ah, don't think so. It's all blue sky conjecture in the long run. But I think that battle in heaven well maybe it was, you know and of course, you know Elizabeth Frazier went from being like this weird gothie warbler to like The civil in nineteen three so that might be the icing on the cake i don't know but it's like everything just really kind of change and not here, i'm changing ways that you didn't necessarily. Be able to put your finger on but i think the fact that like the internet cell phone and ufo is and new age movement and all these kinds things that have come to define our world today weather or not we

2:14:51 acknowledge them you know like we don't acknowledge the power of the new age movement even though it's everywhere, no so mainstream that we just notice anymore or things that we do not like. The internet and cell phones but its all nineteen eighty three something change fundamentally there are a lot of people first macintosh came out in early eighty four so they go man like i said i live through it i'm like sixteen years old My head's just buzzing, you know. I'm just... You're so open plus I was getting high morning noon and night. So like my antennae are way up right? Right. You know, you just felt it. Wow! Maybe people who live through it might know exactly what I am talking about but like I said

2:15:44 Mandy the first and real stranger things in beyond the black rainbow if you really want to get a sense of that vibe i think those are three great places to start. Right on well yeah this influence from the other side this veil it's thickness seems to have been flow maybe nineteen eighty three was one of those years, So let's round this out by talking about your latest book a bit the endless american midnight it's three hundred page volume of new and revised material including some of your most popular essays. It's a dark rumination around the theme of where we are and how we got here has you say what more would you tell people about its contents as were wrapping this thing up well,

2:16:30 I've been working on this for four years, since 2017. And i just couldn't figure out how to take all this information you know like said 15 years of work on the blog and have it make any sense but i think you know everything that was going on in 2020 with the riots and just you know this explosion of insanity over the summer really helped focus my mind and like you said i was looking at where are we? How did we get here One of the things i landed on it that have been writing about for a number years was just like this process of disenchantment that we've allowed, the process of disenchantment that people were writing about hundred years before this to really overtake our lives and people embrace it.

2:17:21 Rather than sort of escape from it or shunned it, or what have you. So we had things like these internet contagions, the skeptic movement and the new atheist movement that these movements are almost forgotten today but were very aggressive and evangelizing when a lot of this things were being written And how that paradoxically led to this whole woke contagion Even though so many of these people were militantly anti-woke, but I think the way that they combated woke just only strengthened woke. And writing about wokeness... All these things that have just completely damaged the social fabric that have just completely rent any idea of America and United States of America being anything but a late empire You know like we're Rome in the third century

2:18:19 We're an empire on the verge of dissolution and maybe it's inevitable, and maybe it can't be reversed. But one of the things I try to do in the book is say well this is how we got here, maybe we can do something about it? And maybe the way you start doing something about it is expelling yourself, breaking their spells and exercising their demons from your head. Stop thinking yourself as a cog in a machine and starting thinking yourself as spiritual being who has value And who has potential and who is possibility and isn't just somebody whose subject to these forces yeah this force is a powerful they seem overwhelming but maybe they are you know me we just allowed them to brainwash us or four hours into following this agenda.

2:19:09 So I took all this material that was sort of tracing how we would have gotten to this point and tried to have it make sense, you know looking at politics looking at science looking a culture. You know how these modes of thinking that had become so destructive to us really took root. So like i said the beginning this is not a feel-good book you know this book isn't going to make you feel good but its not intended to do so its intended to wake you up and get people thinking Right on. Well, I think people here will definitely be into that and we also have to leave them with a bit about the Patreon that you're putting some effort into called The Secret Sun Institute of Advanced Synchromysticism You've got a lot of great stuff in there including a bunch of interviews with people like Nick Redfern Eric Davis Tracy Twyman and Alan Greenfield Definitely interesting to hear you talking to these people as knowledgeable as you are

2:20:04 Tell them a bit about the Patreon and your plans for it. Well, it's like the name implies... It is sort of tongue-in-cheek in some ways but in some ways it isn't. Like I want to take this whole idea of synchromysticism and make it what I call a legitimate form of woo. You know? Synchromysticism, I think, is something that most people experience in their lives constantly or at least regularly right And it's something that people can really identify with and it's something the people can grass but there is not really any focus to it. The synchronistic community as a work is largely active most synchronous bloggers have stopped logging, end the people who remain don't really have any interest or contact in each others work so it might be overly ambitious but i want to construct this

2:21:08 Format and it's you know it's a new format. I'm probably gonna take it into an enclosed environment in secret sun dot com but i wanted to be a place where we can start to think of this stuff is not just like a little head game replay when we get higher whatever, and starting like this is the way to start to understand the world this is great start to understand the world that will live because certainly change the way i see the world And I think that the only thing stopping it from taking root in a way that people can begin to work with is there's no infrastructure to support. So that's kind of what im doing so you know when i'm starting off with is and taking like these big long interviews, that have done over the years that are just sort of marking out boundaries. You know i'm not presenting this any kinda organized syllabus but um

2:22:06 picking the material that i'm posting very deliberately to start my new red friend we're talking about the consulate and the whole idea of the ultra terrestrials right. Alan greenfield you know the secret cipher the youth not his own take on the ultra trust which sort of informed by cruelly is mentally more so one tracy talking more in the context of whole ancient astronaut theory and her rejoined it to that, which I think is really kind of unique because I couldn't really find any other material online where she is addressing those topics directly. And I got her to really go on record and her take 11 years ago now was very much along the lines of Rasky which is kind of ironic because you couldn't really find two more different people in the world than Tracy Twyman and Carl Rasky but they sort of saw things along the same lines

2:23:03 So again, I'm just planting stakes and just trying to map this out. So when I start doing say more original discussions people will have a context with it but i want it all just be driven towards maybe like a more structured understanding of it because I can't see any reason why sacred mysticism should be seen as any less valid as...I don't know tarot shamanism I mean, you name it. Like i said, I want to make it establish this as a legitimate form of woo because at present time it just seems to be this weird sort of appendage. It's sort of...it floats around conspiracy theory or it floats around this or it floats around that but I think that

2:23:50 There's been enough work done and i think the results are predictive enough that it should become its own form yeah. I think that's a worthy goal legitimate form of woo is a great phrase to have an oxymoron to people who don't like who so i think thats on the nose man pretty great, end after all the excellent working done on the blog at all the time you give me thc id hope people will Take the plunge into some of the books or the patreon just as a way of saying thanks and i'm certainly grateful for your time once again. I think a lot of this stuff we talked about today gets to the core of this otherworldly influence and its effects on humanity more than most of the conversations are here in the paranormal space so it is much appreciated anything else leave people with

2:24:43 I think we covered it all in great depth, in great depth. I'm feeling really good about like this discussion and I hope you are too. Yes 100%. Well as always you are the man! This has been a lot of fun enjoy the rest of the downward spiral as best you can man. And have hope to you know? One of things that I am constantly trying to struggle against and its hard because our conditioning from religion in Hollywood is like the apocalypse is the unveiling. You know, there's a big show with a lot of fireworks and so on but I think that ultimately it's a very positive thing and if people actually go back and read The Book of Revelations it all ends you know with the new Jerusalem and the new heaven on earth

2:25:34 That's obviously a Christian interpretation, even though I think the book of Revelation is very Gnostic. But the whole idea of stop thinking about confusing apocalypse with Armageddon or stop thinking about it in terms like bad Arnold Schwarzenegger movies and start seeing as like the scales falling from your eyes and the veils falling away and things being revealed for how they really are because I will tell you this with great confidence is that the way things really are Is a lot more fulfilling and exciting and fascinating and magical than the way you are told everyday to believe that they are. Well said yes it's like we're gonna be confirming all the THC style speculation we've been going over for so many years which is bittersweet but who doesn't like to be right?

2:26:25 Nobody. Touche! Well, Rhino Man this has been a great one so psyched to get this out to the people and take care out there enjoy the rest of the day I like this show people rocking the casbah for the ninth time with the true king of synchromystic swing And it is hard for me to pick a favorite Chris Knowles thread when he's got so many irons in the fire. But for me, I think it is Lucifer's technology with the Roswell working as the subcategory of that because it makes a lot of sense to me and so many people are on a different page with Roswell than it makes Chris' position even more unique but if you pay attention to this kind of stuff It feels like as time goes on we get more confirmation that The Elite are involved in channeling not less

2:27:18 American Cosmic is another story that has that kind of flavor to it. And even just the fact that The Invisible College would want to consult and bring in a professor of religious studies, is gonna make you wonder... So maybe the architects of technological progress are non-human? Maybe that's a story that goes all the way back to The Civilizing Trickster, To Thoth and Hermes and all these cedars of culture and knowledge You know, it's a theme that has always been there but the mind blower would be that is still goes on today. And of course not all civilizing tricksters have to have the same intention but it does feel like they come from the same place and that the mechanisms for reaching out are mainly the same

2:28:04 I don't know but i hope you liked this one. We went a bit off script as we tend to do, but we didn't even get time to talk about the ancient Jed pillars and how they look like high voltage insulators. You can look it up if you just search jed or djed. It's D-J-E-D But it's these ancient Egyptian looking pillars and they look exactly like some kind of transformer And it makes you wonder How old is this connection between the occult and technology? But with electricity I would reference Ross Ben deconstructing Ben Franklin and that silly myth of the key on a kite string in The Lightning Storm. I doubt it worked out that way, especially when this guy is deep in with Hellfire Club finding bodies buried under his estate

2:28:55 I could see this being another vector where the father of electricity probably didn't arrive at things the way the story presents it. It feels to me like The Elite made a deal with something or decided to take its lead and only now are they seeing that it really was the seeds of destruction that were planted, and maybe that is why they are in freakout mode Who's to say, but it certainly is a good time talking to Chris as always. Do show some support by picking up one of his books or joining this new Patreon! So many great interviews released already so much crossover with previous THC guests but you get Chris running the interview It's good stuff But thanks again to Chris who went long with me once again As we tend to do I think we talked for 2 hours and 20 minutes

2:29:49 Obviously sign up for PLUS if you like what I do and the guests that i do it with. In today's Extra Hour we talked about cosmic communism, restoring the old cults of state, the nosedive of TTSA and the destruction of ufology attempt, the role of Vannevar Bush keeping possibility alive, synchromysticism in the alterestrials, and the 1983 portal You know you like THC, you know it's worth $8. To double your time click the link in the show notes and get the whole enchilada! You also get access to the forum which I've made improvements too and updates recently The chat just got added as did groups so now form any groups you want replacing another Facebook feature Love to see that But that is where you will find me And i'll see ya next time

2:30:44 Leave me a message at thehighersidechats.com slash voicemail if this prompted any thoughts that you want to tell me about, maybe it'll give me something to talk about on the next joint session this upcoming week! But until then I am getting out of here, I've done my part... Your move sorcerer scientists technocratic tinkers and ultra-terrestrial obeyers! You're fuckin' dead From space it was falling, its light started calling It's making crop circles again Just as I was looking up it showed me all the hidden stuff And now I'm all enlightened and zen The masses is hard Silver ships Now I'm not asleep Don't obey the elite Gotta be to the left

2:31:40 Now we start to wonder, now we're not the sheep that they bred us to be. Got a beam through the head! Now we start to wonder, now we start to wonder... See I knew hell of corruption and crime since the visitors set me straight. I encouraged you to go when you see the saucers glow up my way The masses is hard Silver ships are

2:32:23 Now we're not asleep, don't hold a beam to the head We start to wonder No we're not the sheep that the heads do beam to Now we start to wonder Now we start to wonder Now we start to wonder Now we start to wonder I'll see these things up in the sky Just as the system starts to die I'll spade it an extra million times

2:33:22 It's time we have faith Cause we're not the sheep that they must to be To the Now, We Start To Wonder Now were not asleep cause we got THC And now we start to wonder Now we start to wonder Now we start to wonder Now we start to wonder again Now we start to wonder Now we start to wonder Again! you