Chris Knowles | A Ritual Tour Of 2020, Ghislaine Maxwell’s Arrest, & The New Cult Of State

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01:47 Maybe it's mass ritual fatigue, as almost nothing seems genuine, the symbolism is off the charts and everything we're presented with seems designed to drive us mad. Not even the sad state of Hollywood can muster up a spoonful of 8mm sugar to make this mind control medicine go down Many guests have informed us of the importance of controlling the culture, and I look around America and see very little that isn't cooked up by think tank roundtables, corporate boardrooms or derived from the six sorcerers of Silicon Valley in their digital demonic overlords. But here to toss my flailing stoner frame a life raft to stay afloat in the rough and choppy waters of the vast conspiracy is our synchromystic savior The Great Chris Knowles

02:31 You should know Chris well by now as this marks his 8th time on THC, and his Secret Son blog is surely on a lot of your shortlists. In the shows of podcasts past we've talked about everything from prophetic singing sirens and Lucifer's technology to NASA rituals deep state design tragedies esoteric agendas UFOs aliens demons and archons oh my He's the man behind amazing books like Our God's Wear Spandex, The Secret History of Comic Book Heroes, Secret History of Rock and Roll, The Mysterious Roots of Modern Music, Clash City Showdown, The Music Meaning and the Legacy of The Clash. And he will live up in the sky a novel full of conspiratorial rabbit holes in a Pandora's box of parapolitical goodness!

03:15 Quite literally emerging from the darkness that was a near week-long East Coast blackout, my friend and yours our favorite synchromystic web weaver and conspiratorial data detangler here to make sense of a long year of masks kneeling and I can't breathe in Chris my man welcome back. Yes! We are back...we're back in black Yeah man i am psyched the world is on fire but the power back on for you and i hope your doing well thanks for doing this again and again and again ma'am. Oh it's always super super pleasure love doing the high side shots, i was trying to bug you at one point in time too or thinking about making me a co host but i don't think that was gonna fly.

04:02 It could fly because a lot of people think I'm slipping but it's hard to keep your finger on the pulse anymore because things are moving so quickly and, I get fatigued. I need a break once in awhile to get back to regular life because everything is just so heavy. Yeah regular life is no longer on the table I am afraid to say we are way past crossing the Rubicon at this point in time and the new abnormal the way it's going to be from here on in. I am afraid, in some regards that this is just a prelude to an even greater spinning of the gyre but we'll see what happens but I've been very busy lately! I've been very busy this year doing this work keeping track of all these things because like you said there is so much going on and in the midst of it we got hit with Isaiah

04:58 And all the biblical and prophetic connections that might have knocking out the power in New Jersey for a week. Good week, I think some people are still without power and within weather that you didn't really want to be without air conditioning and refrigeration. I had to throw out like $300 worth of food but i'd like to say that these are things that we don't have to get used to that these are just little blips on the map but My pessimistic side says that this is going to be a very integral part of the new normal i'm afraid. Yeah i'm with you and it's a real red flag that are systems are breaking down so much so that they can't take care of the easy shit like trimming, the branches around power lines so you don't have a disaster situation and i dont wanna be alarmist but i also feel as if

05:57 It's dangerous to say just hold on a little longer and things will go back to normal because in that mine state you're not prepared for a level change that i do think might come next year due to what. The experts are saying about the space weather it looks more intense not less and that's always something i wanna keep in mind but. Last time we did this was back in march with gordon where we tried to make early sense of the corona virus ritual, add i think it holds up quite well i just listen to it but now that we've been living in it for the last four months we have a lot more context and have had a lot more time to think

06:35 Have your thoughts on the whole thing changed at all or has time only confirmed and reinforced the things you were thinking in March? Well, what I've always felt in my gut is that this is all a preparation for something else. My thinking now given all of the events that kind of get backpaged, so to speak in the media that aren't being plastered all over the headlines but are very unsettling is the continuing escalation and breakdown of just normal diplomatic relations between ourselves and the People Republic of China. There are things going on that I'm just absolutely alarming and I think given how

07:27 Intertwined our economies are and particularly intertwine you know in the west coast of united states and. Canada is well i think we're looking at a very messy and sticky situation, what are the things that have been keeping my eye on this rather draconian lockdown that they're experiencing in victoria australia and not to me feels very much Like a live action drill considering the fact that we've heard so much about Australia being in the crosshairs if things do explode god forbid let's just say between the United States and its allies and China. And it's allies we had the down right near you i mean you probably saw the smoke plumes from the fires of the bond home richard

08:21 The tax ship in the naval shipyard down there was being repaired and it was on fire for like four days. And that was a vessel that they were looking at as being very integral to any sort of actions in the south china sea you know this is standoff between united states, and the people's republic of china over these birds that islands did just creating out of whole cloth and calling them territorial waters So we're looking at a very nerve-wracking situation. And I also put things in the context of, like this aircraft carrier earlier that had an outbreak of coronavirus and there was this whole controversy with the ship's commander and he was fired by the Secretary of Navy and so on but they were also events that have seemed to fall down the memory hole where they seem to be

09:16 Electronic interference with naval vessels operating in that area causing collisions would like fishing boats and so on and their collision with two, naval vessels crashing into one another that seems to be unexplained. The US navy is something that too many people pay too little attention to because they basically run the world. Keep the shipping lanes open the key piracy from Basically crippling the entire world economy and not only piracy say freelance pirates in somewhere like somalia or something but you know state actors. Like we're seeing china just deciding that the south china sea is their territorial waters and proving that by creating islands out of nothing

10:06 Yeah a lot of people have talked about those ships colliding and stuff as incompetence but maybe it's some form of sabotage I would believe that. I believe it is sabotage, I honestly do. I think all these events we're seeing with the US Navy are deliberate sabotage I don't think that they're chalked up to incompetence or accident, i do believe just because of the context that we're seeing these things take place in. And i think that the real red flag here is the bond home richard Catching fire for no apparent reason and burning four days yes san diego shipyard so that was very strange and i don't even live all that close to the area but i do remember that day i have a bad sense of smell and i was like oh something smells good i guess in neighbors cooking my wife is like thats plastic or something

10:58 She's like, that's not a good smell. And then of course we saw the news and it was like holy shit that shouldn't even really reach where I am but you mentioned Victoria and that is a big thing for people who don't know what's going on in Australia they were doing door to door knocks for their lockdown and if you didn't answer the door there was a $5,000 fine if you weren't home crazy I sent that to Gordon when I saw it and he was like, yeah man once a prison colony always a prison colony. It's really just sad to see but i have long thought that Australia is like a mini US or

11:34 A lot of agendas happen there in that microcosm that maybe are derived from the think tanks that try to get things done here, like removing all the guns and just in this stuff we're seeing. In these lockdowns they seem to have greater success with their operations when it comes to people there I don't know why but its definitely something to watch. Because it's a smaller population right? You know it's easier to do these kind of mass like say mass seizures of firearms and so on when you don't have 350 million people to contend with. And, you know also don't forget New Zealand but let's look at this in the context because I think sort of the daily back-and-forth we see on places like Twitter sort of obscure that larger picture which is that Australia and New Zealand as well are part of what's called The Five Eyes and The Five Eyes being

12:31 Basically great britain and its former colonies having this worldwide network of surveillance and monitoring. Of activities that they the five eyes in another spot is basically sharing information basically having contiguous intelligence resources so australia again i mean look where it is right If things do go south, and again let's hope to God that they don't. Australia is gonna bear the brunt of it You know I don't believe that we would see this massive mobilization of troops and equipment and airplanes and so on...I think that We would see something very different It would be sort of like a lukewarm war Let's just say rather than cold war or hot war

13:32 But again, Australia is highly cognizant of where they sit in relation to the belligerence to these Five Eyes alliance here. When it comes to coronavirus, I remember asking you about symbolism and syncs within the narrative. It was probably just too early at the time but like you've said before everything is star magic and in April you wrote a post called Space Is An Altar Swan Swan H And you point out that a few years ago the UK ran a pandemic simulation called project sickness sickness being this one constellation we've talked about before but also how i turn off swan stories at the media including one that queen elizabeth's ones,

14:24 Maybe got killed from bird flu a bird flu outbreak and that the sickness lyra, draco part of the night sky in chinese astrology is called the court of the celestial market and it's northern most region is called the butcher which is also where the constellation hercules. is and Hercules is the patron of Florence, Italy. Obviously I'm summarizing a lot of stuff so we have Draco the Dragon aka China right there with Hercules aka Italy who was hit so hard sitting above the northern crown aka Corona Borealis in an area of the night sky that Chinese called The Court Of The Celestial Marketplace. It seems to be a lot it's the narrative laid out in the stars once again yeah

15:13 This has become more and more a focus of my work, and I kind of stumbled upon it. It's not something that I was intending to stick my nose into but one of the maps that I created for The Post, if people are interested they can just go to my site and look The Post up but it really starts with Cassiopeia which is the sitting queen you know? It's the Queen on her throne so you talk about all these weird Events in the UK that involved swans and this to me just absolutely reeks of ritual. That somebody had stabbed and beheaded a number of swans in london parks in late twenty seventeen, and this was shortly before the queen's ones were killed by that bird flu outbreak right

16:08 So, we're talking about a year or so after Exercise Cygnus took place in the UK. And this was a secret exercise by the way – this is something that was only revealed to the public in April of this year and that's sort-of the basis of this post you are referring too but I've always been looking at Lyra because of Vega and so on and Cygnus is of high interest to our space agencies and telescopes. They seem to have a lot of interest in the area space between Cygnus and Lyra, why exactly? You can throw up whatever theory you choose but you can't argue that the Kepler mission is very much focused on that area space. And this ties into what we talked about so much with Las Vegas, what I call heaven upside down on Las Vegas back in October 2017

17:03 So we had a number of very strange stories emerge out of the UK having to deal with swans dying or swan attacking people that was another. Interesting and strange story that came out of uk that i asked one was known for attacking tourists in an english river and then was suddenly vanished so you can wonder what happens with their so if you look at that section of space you do you go from cassiopeia which is the sitting queen. And i've since identified that we're babbling on the great you know, the fallen Babylon, the Great in Revelation 18. So we go directly from Cassiopeia to Cygnus, to Draco and Draco the dragon is obviously a symbol of China and then that takes us down to Hercules. And Hercules has a couple interesting things going on one is as you mentioned it was

18:00 the patron of Florence as far back as the Renaissance and has always been sort of identified symbolically with certainly Greece and Italy. We have Heracles, and Hercules was very much a symbol and actually had become sort of a solar savior god in late antiquity but Hercules in that constellation is seen as confronting the Hydra you know the poison the toxins guarding the golden apples. And of course, as you mentioned before that connects us to Corona Borealis and then that takes us down to The Serpent Bearer and all these symbols of Draco and Hercules with the Hydra itself and Ophiuchus which is The Serpent Bearer I mean these all have very powerful and very ancient connections in

18:57 every religion that you can name. But again, like I said the thing that really struck me is that traditional Chinese astronomy and astrology has entirely different meanings to these constellations and the constellations are entirely different. And again that connection with the court of celestial market being in the exact area space is Hercules. So you have markets and butchers and measuring cups, all these kind of symbols connecting to that. And those are the kinds of things that just when I see that stuff it really... It's just.. You know? I feel this pressure in my sinuses. I feel this....I just know there's something there! It's like some sort of instinct that has this physical reaction

19:47 That psychosomatic reaction i guess you would say but again i can't rightly say what and who are trying to. Manipulate the star magic but it just seems to me like a very strange and very specifically, Organized coincidence for my liking. To get into the next stop on the ritual tour of 2020, let's talk about the deep dive you've done into Ghislaine Maxwell. Ghislaine I wish her well Maxwell and that whole arrest ritual. I call it that because you call it that but also we have no mug shot, we have no perp walk. The judge ordered some Virginia Gu Frey evidence to be destroyed the day before the arrest

20:44 And her charges are also so light, it's ridiculous. She's only being charged with something like luring a minor across state lines for sexual purposes specifically between a set of just a few years in the 90s. So right on the surface that's a very light charge considering what the victims have been saying her involvement really was and it just seems like a sham but it also goes a lot deeper doesn't it? It does and one thing that i've always said throughout the entire length and breadth of the secret sun blog is that ritual. Is everywhere and people who are in very high places and highly placed in various sectors of our government corporations military,

21:37 Leave things that we don't and believe things that we might not even be aware of existing. And the great example that i would point to this is michael bloomberg the multi billionaire having this weird fixation on methros and feeling that he had two actually move the Mithraic temple that had been found during an excavation in London into the center of his new headquarters in London. And that seems maybe a little bit trivial to some people, but if you look at it in the context of Mithras symbolism that I've done a lot of work to point out like for instance the Mithras symbolism and Rockefeller Center

22:22 And the fact that AT&T, which is again now one of the biggest and most powerful corporations in the world has the winged version of Mithras as its logo. Its official yet secret mascot I guess you would say is Mithras? Then there's a Statue of Liberty which is not a woman it's a man, it's Mithras You know there was some interesting news stories that came out a few years ago that talked about how the sculptor had modeled, the statue of liberty on his brother and not his mother as usually been assumed but if you look at methraic.

23:02 mysteries. It's very similar to, like say a form of Freemasonry that there are initiatory degrees and the second initiatory degree is Nymphus and that's where all the plebs, the pledges so-to-speak dress up in female clothing and makeup and so on And I think you can probably imagine what the purpose of that was because Another fraternity that Michael Bloomberg is a prominent member of in Manhattan. That's filled with all these movers and shakers and the plebs and the pledges also dress up in Women's clothing and makeup and somehow pair off with you older Members or the higher degree initiates of this group There's been a number of stories like in New York magazine, so on and so forth So this stuff is real this stuff exists

23:58 It's pretty much out in the open. It's not necessarily secret, it's just that most people either ignore it or don't understand what they're looking at and In the case of Ghislaine Maxwell I mean what I've said all along is that I see the Jeffrey Epstein situation as a Waterloo in this war heaven that have been talking about for number years And Gordon also talks about...I think that the arrest and subsequent apparent murder of Jeffrey Epstein Is a lot more significant than anyone realizes and i think it has much farther in. More profound implications that people are really talking about,

24:39 This would be speculation on my part, but I was actually out in California giving a deposition and lawsuit the day that he was arrested. And I noticed that the wagon seemed to circle so to speak after that event and the whole tenor of the case really changed quite radically following his arrest. Whitney webster and some fantastic work looking into involvement of like the mega group in the side. All these big power players backing Epstein and there's been a lot of talk from people at maria farmer that. Elaine was actually the brains of the operation and she was sort of inserted into them so i don't orbit through her father who is very deeply involved in this circle as well he's also involved

25:30 Doing work for my six and the CIA i mean you know i personally believe it's all just branches of one organization anyway but. I just think that this was all a big ritual because i think they knew where she was all along. You know there's all these ridiculous stories planted in the media that she was hiding under you know the Antarctic ice or she was hiding on the tip of K2 and the Himalayas, something just like... She was everywhere but where she actually was? But actually last summer there was a story came out that Right in the midst of lovecraft country not rather people looking HBO series coming up but you know actual lovecraft country where he based stories. She was living with a guy named scott ford and send who some believe is her secret husband,

26:18 And we can get into him when we talk about wayfair, but living with him at his mansion on the coast of Cape Ann and Massachusetts there. And then she somehow manages to find herself in the Piney Wilds of New Hampshire and she's arrested on World UFO Day. And then the next day Jan Harzen who was the executive director I guess for international relations or something of MUFON is arrested in Manhattan Beach, no I'm sorry Huntington Beach on a sort of Chris Hansen type of kiddie sting and that to me was just very bizarre and compounded. A few days later when a guy by the name of Christa DeVries, I think it is, was arrested in Conway New Hampshire which is a little nothing postage stamp town

27:11 at the end of the Saco River on the border of New Hampshire and Maine, where for some reason Hillary Clinton, at the urging of John Podesta was led to announce her support for investigating UFO cover-up. And all that she's going to get to the bottom of this we actually talked about this back after the election 2016 We talked about that whole thing And, you know this guy who was involved with like Black Lives Matter and defund the police and so on. He seemed to be a local political functionary was arrested all within a very short drive of where Ghislaine Maxwell was arrested but the thing that really just...and we can talk about Crowley in a bit but the thing that just blew my mind wide open is when I discovered

27:59 Dwayne maxwell sister is married to the son of frank malina and frank malina. Where's the man who started jet propulsion laboratories with none other than marvel parsons a k jack parsons and you just said that you just think like wait a minute what the hell is going on what is this story here particularly seeing that she was arrested rather bizarre and specifically unsettling alignment that connects. The place where betty and barney hill claim to been abducted by aliens, and then we're alice crowley spent a summer on the lake with a woman named evangeline adams was very famous astrologer and pop cultist

28:47 He had actually written a letter to the New York Times complaining that he was being menaced by ball lightning and so on. And then, you know if you go further south from there for the south where Dwayne Maxwell was living wind up right down in the area of Massachusetts Where jack parsons parents were living and we're born and raised incidentally before they move to los angeles. So that kind of specific alignment again it's getting back to this whole thing with the star maps in so long it just seems a little too precise, and connected, you know. And obviously connected with Parsons' relationship with Crowley and her personal relationship to the man who started Jet Propulsion Laboratories with Jack Parsons. And interestingly enough I mean there's a number of stories and seems pretty solid information that Gillian Maxwell was

29:44 involved with Mossad and the Israeli military, and Jack Parsons himself before he was... I mean, I believe he was murdered. You know, I believe his death was sabotaged, was going to move Israel to work on their rocket program for the military So there are all these connections weaving in and out of this that your head starts to spin after a while, particularly with Delaine. The fact that she was a submarine pilot is like wait what? It's funny it's almost kind of a tragic story because She seems like an extremely intelligent woman, speaks a number of different languages and has all these skills. I guess these are the people that intelligence agencies look for right? Her father was one of those billionaire frauds who vanished off the coast of Canary Islands. His naked body was later found washed up

30:39 on the shore there, but there were a lot of reports at the time that he was murdered because he was in such horrible financial shape that he was going to sell information that he had gleaned from Assad to other intelligence agencies and so on. So yeah it's just a whole big mess but you know it all seems to come back over and over again to the same handful of I don't know if you call them memes or tropes or symbols When you see these things repeated over and over again particularly like the waters in the navy and lovecraft and all those connections to siren so on.

31:19 You really start to wonder if this is an all just sure happenstance. Yes, yes that's a great breakdown of everything i had on this list but you see those same weird potent themes and players were looking at child sexual abuse ufo's and the new england area and of course the navy is all up in them guts You know just to make the case for people that are like well not everything's multi generational i'm not connected to what my dad did you know thats totally separate maybe your making leaps but not really cuz you mentioned when you web and i just listen interview she gave and she is talking about galane sisters in apparently one of her sisters or even think two are involved in some.

32:03 High level security software kind of like a promise software 2.0 and because their dad, of course was involved in that scandal so There's definitely a multi generational component to what's going on there and i was just looking at this so our gods where spandex came out in two thousand seven the first iron man film came out in two thousand eight nobody cared about superheroes are predicted that hollywood would devolve into basically only superhero movies at that time and. Last year, He Will Live Up in the Sky came out and like clockwork its contents are spilling out into reality. Again we never want to give too much info away about a novel but the backdrop for the book and some of the major themes are both major bullseyes for some of the wild threads of 2020 and some of the stuff we're talking about right now. Yeah I don't claim any prophetic powers i think that

33:02 A lot of the things that you're talking about i written about originally in twenty fifteen years i mentioned last time i was on your show at the time before that i started working this book five years ago and it just took me a long time to get going but yeah the fact that we have this connection with ufo's in new hampshire. Certainly caught my attention when Galean maxwell was arrested it just seemed a little bit on the nose and you know one of things that i written about recently in everything about for several years now i read about originally in the lucifix technologies series back in twenty sixteen fifteen. What is your fact that area of northern new england has, what are whistle stops on the ufology greatest hits

33:48 Got the hill abduction and we've got the nine and we've got the alagash. Abductions and we've got betty andreason and we've got tom reid i just have one sort of major hit after another so that fact that delane maxwell was kind of living in the midst of all this is rather curious to me again a connection with hillary who she was very close with shoes right close chelsea Attend to chelsea's wedding you know when i'm vacations with her and she was very close to the clinton's in the clinton's connected to podesta and then put us to connect you too. The long and melons and two hours on the way and just this whole group that are pushing this whole tts a situation, and then you know one of things that i pointed out before is that you know to the stars academy

34:43 is the English translation roughly of the company that Jack Parsons started when he was booted out of Frank Molina's Jet Propulsions Laboratory and that was a company he started called Ad Astra. And ad astra in Latin means to the stars, and he was getting involved in weird metals mystery metals that we recently saw connected with The Long and Hal Puthoff Elizondo in this program have on that call unidentified i mean is such a weird thing because, i don't think there's a huge human cry for ufo disclosure from the public really i don't think people are really care i think people are kind of over it. At this point time and don't really pay much attention to what's going on you know other than so do your hard core people

35:33 Certainly the media is trying to drum up interest in it. I don't think they've been terribly successful, but I think that UFOs have a much larger meaning in this constellation of ritualism that I've been talking about for several years and I think the fact that they clearly knew where Ghislaine Maxwell was...I do not get the sense that her arrest was a surprise to her. Pre announced so to speak and they probably knew where she was all along. You know in the trump says i wish you well i think it's pretty clear that cheese turning on her friends and providing information so when i think that sort of backdrop to their cus when you don't want things like pointed out is that

36:17 If trump if you want to start a dodge that he could have very easily done so we can just said well it's an ongoing investigation and i can't really comment on that. What do you made a point to say he wished her well and i think that she was announcing the people that, might not be in the loop anymore that she was coughing up information. And, you know, so do the things that we've seen these very weird things that we've seen in the past month and July was just jam-packed with this kind of stuff. You know one of the things I would point out is the attempted assassination

36:54 And the murder of Judge Salas's judge was Anita Salas, not far from me in North Brunswick. You know a town I actually know pretty well because had a good friend who lived there for a number of years so her intended assassin was clearly an intelligence agent and if you looked at his resume he'd worked for that black box kind of group. He was involved in all these kinds CIA front cutout organizations. But one thing that I had read is that when he was in Moscow, one of his jobs was trying to find all the money Russian bankers had squirreled away that they owe to Deutsche Bank. So he already had – I know that Whitney Rabbit talked about that so he already had a pretty direct connection to Deutsche Bank and you can sort of tell by the way

37:52 Depress the media can i handle that but that was like a very very hot potato that they want to charge and it's so. Drive in the whole in cell make tower angle for it but there are still really seem to be in it and, is very much seemed like a hot potato but the interesting thing when you talk about these alignments and i have this weird like Cartographical fixation that i'm always looking at maps to sort of see how these things align but so we had that obviously galane inspired. Deutsche bank attempted hit or if not an attempt to clear intimidation and then we have that whole thing burst out with mayfair which you want me get to in more detail, what are the things that i read about on the blog is actually

38:47 lived for several years three doors down from the kid at the time who became the CEO or the co-CEO of Wayfair, a guy named Stephen Coneen. And that was not too far from where this whole thing went down with this judge and Deutsche Bank but the thing that really struck me is that when you talk about the symbolism sirens drowning water Lovecraft...you know the whole kitten caboodle One of the things that sort of prefigured this is that there was a very, very strange event in East Brunswick. Not too far from obviously from North Brunswick they're both on opposite sides of the city of New Brunswick which is where Rutgers University is but A woman her father and her child had all drowned In one these three-and-a-half foot above ground pools and

39:47 Nobody could figure it out. It was just a total mystery, but then there was this whole story that this woman shared her name with somebody who was involved with the Gates Foundation and was handling all of his money and these stories sort of filtered through and you kind of wonder is this misdirection or is this just the broken reality construct? Just misfiring? You know its very hard to say I mean A few days or a couple weeks ago they came out and said, oh you know there's a part or portion of the pool which was seven feet deep. They didn't even say it was a deep end and I looked at the photographs in the pool and I couldn't see any evidence of a deep end. It was just a very bizarre story. I mean I don't know what connection it might have to the Salas situation but the fact that you can kind of draw this triangle is pretty neat triangle between the Wayfair kid where he grew up

40:44 my old neighborhood there, and North Brunswick and East Brunswick. And sort of in the midst of all this is Trump National in Bedminster where Trump spends his weekends. There's been a lot of talk that something big is going down in Washington maybe to do with the whole Obamagate thing or whatever and he's gonna sort of hide out there because all this stuff going on. One of things I heard today while we're recording is that somebody had shot at an Air Force helicopter from, I guess this was down in North Carolina. So there's a lot of strange things going on. I mean, Bedminster where Trump is literally next town over from me it's the next time down the highway and I've been hearing a lot of military helicopters There was a couple F-16s that were flying around last week because some

41:39 Small sort of propeller planes had breached restricted airspace so there's a lot of strange stuff going on and i think things are gonna get very hot. You know one of the predictions that have been making and I don't like to make predictions, Mostly because I usually, my predictions fail. But one of the things that I've been predicting and I feel still very strongly about it is that I don't think there's going to be an election. I really don't. And I think this is all pantomime and not very good pantomime. They're going through the motions but not with a great deal of enthusiasm. I think there's gonna be a national emergency called within the next several weeks and the election is going to be postponed perhaps indefinitely

42:24 It just seems to me that all these things with COVID and shutting down all these sports seasons, and shutting down the movies in Hollywood. Pretty much everything you know one of the things that's just so shocking you just know you're not in Kansas anymore is reading there was an article in New York Times yesterday that all these major retail chains are all fleeing New York and they certainly going to be fleeing Minneapolis and Seattle and Portland I think that there's going to be a massive exodus out of the big cities and you kind of have to wonder like why? Why all of a sudden this is happening. And i think that it is connected to what, I still feel very strongly as we're looking down the barrel of some kind of national emergency being called sometime in late summer or early autumn. Yes and with the election

43:15 It's already primed that no matter who wins or what they say happens it will erupt into a civil war because neither side trusts the integrity of elections and that's only going to be exacerbated when it actually happens or doesn't happen. And yeah you named a lot of good stuff when I was trying to put this together, I had to cut out a lot of stuff cause you've been covering a lot of content and a lot of it is these weird tangents People drowning people getting thrown off their apartment building just there's a lot of deaths going on there's a lot of pieces on the table that are moving around and. No we're talking about the election right on the heels of biden choosing camilla harris as his running mate

44:00 And I've already seen the very funny joke of Biden-Harris 2020, cop a feel. It's just a very funny way to express it doesn't make any sense they're doing defund the police at the same time they're electing her whatever that's all kind of just the circus of politics but... I think it's interesting that you know the two people running were the two people that were very heavily vetted during the primaries and the two people that generated the least amount enthusiasm Among any of the primary voters, you know I mean yeah Kamala Harris dropped out pretty early in the process and Joe is just sort of limping around Trying to figure out where he was and what his name was before The people who run the Democratic Party panicked over Bernie Sanders possibly winning the nomination and just sort of took poor Joe who really needs to be put in a rest home at this point time and

44:53 Crown him the candidate, you know They've done a very good job at hiding him for the most part and what we've seen of him You understand why they're hiding him I just don't get the feeling that you run that ticket when you really believe that there's going to be an election So here we are in We're getting near mid-august as were recording this it's the 12th in a normal election right? We would have the conventions by now wouldn't wait The party of power usually has their convention in july and then you know the party holding the white house usually has there. Convention right about now and we're hearing all the stories that it's gonna be like this online thing just like are you kidding me seriously kidding me i mean is going to be like a meeting. I've had people tell me well you know everybody knows who's gonna win and mystery everybody knows they were gonna vote for your personal not everybody knows who they can go for i don't believe that at all and secondly,

45:54 The conventions are not just to nominate the candidates, it's part of the campaign. It's a huge publicity infusion for them that is very important to these campaigns. In the past you've had candidates that didn't seem to generate a lot of excitement and once the convention rolls around then it sort of fires people up and they're just going to have like these lame virtual zoom conventions? Come on I just don't buy it! I seriously don't buy it. And you know, you talk about like the whole election thing...I think that's one of the reasons that we won't have an election because having these sort-of LARP cosplay riots going on in Portland and other cities and so on then we're having these big shopping spree rides going on in Chicago and so on That would be nothing if there really was a serious issue with the election Because the right

46:50 has pretty much been just sitting on their heels and just watching, you know sort of enjoying these democratic cities tear themselves apart right? I mean Seattle and Portland are the two most liberal cities in the country. And probably Minneapolis is third. All the most liberal cities in the country are self-destructing it's very strange and it's very weird to me and its not normal It feels contrived, it feels orchestrated And the problem is that even contrived and orchestrated riots, you know this what they call King Mob. You know King Mob is the collective intelligence or lack thereof of the mob and then the mob's gonna do whatever it wants to...you know whatever decides to do it follows its own impulses It doesn't really care about like what George Soros or John Podesta want anymore? Or Bill Gates whoever I mean, I know that a lot

47:46 Big corporations kind of put a lot of money behind this stuff the protest and so on. So when king mob takes over it doesn't really care what the paymaster stink because the mob gets drunk on its own power, so it is all just very strange but I haven't been able to parse the exact liturgy, let's just say. But it does you know again it feels very ritualistic to me but everybody's you know everything has felt very ritualistic to me for the past several years I would say it sort of started in the Gothard Mountain display in Switzerland which was just...I don't know if he saw that? The siren call? No no! Is that what your talking about? No the Gothard Mountain thing with the devil and

48:36 underground, you know when they built that tunnel in Switzerland. Oh yes! That's ringing a bell the ritual they did to open that tunnel? Yeah when I saw that I was just like oh wait what uh what's going on here and it's interesting too because my interpretation of that ritual was just entirely separate from what they said it was because I'm familiar with the symbolism that they're using and it's just clear to me that that's Jupiter Amon Aka pan you know a whoever you know the horn didn't god that i think it's sort of at the center of this entire cosmology and i think that you're seeing that people just see horns is called devil you know i mean i don't know where they actually comes from there's nothing in the bible about the devil having horns but i think that

49:22 People are just conditioned to see that, but he was the horned and hidden god. If you look at images of Jupiter in Man—and I don't know if I've talked about this on your show—but this is the god of Alexander the Great. This is the secret God of Roman emperors throughout history And beyond so when i saw that kind of symbolism burst through and it cost all the things with super bowls and so on but i've been writing about you know the real dumb obvious stuff that you see unlike the grammys in salon i mean ritualism has just become so. In your face and blatant that it's almost like there is this kind of cognitive dissonance around it, that people just can't recognize what they're seeing. They don't understand that what they are seeing is a very specific liturgy that comes from ancient sources being played out in the guise of entertainment or art

50:15 It's not that. It's a form of ritual entrainment, and it's only going to continue and increase in the years ahead. Well said! And I definitely want to talk about the protests and secret gods... You mentioned corporate involvement in all this you had a great line that Amazon is of course the biggest benefactor of the lockdowns and Starbucks has declared themselves the official coffee of Black Lives Matter these are West Coast companies West Coast liberal companies! Yeah, exactly. And obviously things have moved on to Portland a little bit but it's in the soup and I wanted to go back to a post you made in June titled The Rites of Spring that is largely about George Floyd and everything that has followed

50:59 It starts with an anecdote where you and Gordon had a talk about mass ritual, on how long it would be before we see an actual human sacrifice on TV. And I agree that that happened sooner rather than later if you consider the George Floyd snuff film to be a televised sacrifice which it kind of is. And I'm sure it's one of those things people have heard Too much about already but you cover some really interesting esoteric aspects that i think worth mentioning in the piece you say. The more I look at his life and death and put it into context of the overall re-paganization process, more precisely to revive the ancient cults of state, the more he looks like a victim who is very carefully chosen or targeted rather for very specific reasons and bring about very specific outcomes

51:52 I mean, that's provocative. Elaborate on a little of what you're seeing there? Well there are number of things... It's a show unto itself really What we saw rather quickly is that what was unfolding really had not a lot to do with George Floyd and more to do with sort of pre-planned agenda whose origins i haven't yet been able ascertained, but I think that you know the fact that this is taking place during the whole coronavirus thing and you know the whole litany they're hearing with i can't breathe. You know we're hearing this a lot of protests and so on you know in the fact that he was uh pretty troubled guy he had a pretty serious criminal past

52:42 But you know, one of the things that really struck me is that it came out that he had done this porno film. At least one porno film and he had this huge phoenix tattooed on his chest and I was just like alright just stop! It looks like a Phoenix riding above an AK-47 and of course we've seen the AK-47 meme I'm urge during the riots and so on your because this is all romanticization you know the soviets in the chinese in the forty seven but it's already has that he has a phoenix rising from an AK forty seven tattooed. On his chest and we see this in this corner who did

53:24 with this young woman who had another, I'm just trying to find where she had an interesting. She had a butterfly tattoo on the small of her back? Yes! Yeah that's it thank you. No worries But you know this happened in late May and I've talked about late may with the Jeff Buckley situation right? I mean Jeff Buckley drowning obviously not being able to breathe same final week that last week in May There was that very odd, very phallic SpaceX rocket launch a couple days after. Well it was actually scheduled originally two days after his apparent death and then I think it was delayed to the weekend

54:13 But you really just have to wonder, because we know Elon Musk is tied up in so much weirdness with these launches. And of course the obvious, the Dragon. I mean there's the Dragon again right? This was a launch of the Dragon capsule aboard the Falcon 9! Come on! When I see SpaceX stuff in the news and I just see all this... punch you in the eyeball symbolism. You just have to wonder, how did people not pay attention to this? First of all his rockets all look like giant vibrators and then he uses this dragon symbolism and it's like the dragon being launched to hook up with the International Space Station which I call ISIS

55:00 And that a few months earlier, Grimes had done this video called So Heavy I Fell to the Earth which basically sounds like a Cocteau Twins outtake. The whole thing is the dragon and this Michael character in space so it's clearly that Revelation 12 narrative again It's almost too much to even wrap your head around. And I'm sure that if you just have no context for this, you're just like this guy is insane and bust out that it's always sunny in Philadelphia or conspiracy theorist meme because these guys but it's just like you really have to follow the stuff for a number of years because it's over and over and over again. And it just breaks you down. You can no longer

55:49 you know, ascribe things to coincidence and happenstance. Particularly when they just really hit these beats. You know one of the things that I talked about and I know that the late Tracy Twyman and I had talked about actually shortly before she sort of vanished before she died talking about the genuflecting we talked about on your show as well with 49ers and 4-9 and that whole symbolism Steven Paddock's birthday being four nine That whole thing with nasa and the astronauts i mean just over and over and over again just hitting these beats over and over again. And then the kneeling that we saw with the police in your one thing that have been pointing out for years is it the fraternal order places, just another masonic lodge and its pretty obvious by the symbolism that they use

56:40 And you know what thing i don't know if i mentioned this on your show either is that no friend and she told me that her husband had joined. New jersey state police and they made him become a mason join a large that was like, that's what you had to do so again there are just some things going on and the public is so easily distracted and it's just so oblivious to the antecedents of this that all the symbolism that we're discussing, you know kind of in a haphazard manner at the moment but you know we're kind of jumping around a lot. But all the symbolism that I referred to has very clear documented precedent and antecedence. It's not just things that i'm just pulling out of a hat. It's all things that tie to very well established and well known

57:30 ritual and mythological and religious symbolism, and liturgy. Yes You know it's interesting I was another sort of rebel scholar who passed away a few years ago with Acharya S., who had written The Christ Conspiracy in a number of other books. I mean I was friendly with her as well but one my criticisms of Acharya is that she would sort of draw on kind of like these late Victorian quasi-occultists, sort of quasi-theosophist people like Gerald Massey. I mean, I know she was a big Massey fan and i think that none of that stuff has really held water it hasn't held up to scrutiny

58:12 When I go for this stuff, I'm not looking in sort of obscure text trying to trace the symbolism back. I'm looking at things that are on Wikipedia or Encyclopedia Britannica and things that are very well established, very well documented because you have enough of a fight trying to convince people that this is real and this is really happening without having to lapse into cultic, pseudo history. Yes it's true and you definitely threw a lot out there I wanted to frame up part of this with my notes here but as you say we've seen a lot of police kneeling this year and you point out how intertwined Freemasonry is with police departments across the country in that kneeling like this originated as the free masonic action of genuflecting to honor Hiram Abiff

59:03 Also, the kneeling trend was started by Colin Kaepernick of the San Francisco 49ers who have an obelisk as the big city center icon. And the 49ers cheerleaders are called The Gold Rush and of course, the Cocktoo Twins have a song called The Gold Rush Dust where Elizabeth Frazier repeats in the gold dust rush I only genuflects. Yeah! Some more icing on the sink row cake for people familiar with previous shows we've done or who follow your blog The woman who owned the nightclub where George Floyd and Derek Chauvin worked calls herself La Sirena Major on Instagram, or The Great Siren. Also the girl who took the video of Floyd's death has a last name Frazier

59:45 Yeah, and one thing that I found out in the interim is that so her name a woman who allegedly took this video was named Darnella Frazier. Right? And one thing that I found out subsequently from Elizabeth Frazer's sister is that her family calls her Ella So it's like that darn Ella, you know what I mean? It sounds like a little pun. It's almost like we're being trolled by the gods of sync, I guess you would say but yeah... You know, I have reactivated my Elizabeth Frazier blog and boy! It's amazing me when I take all this stuff that is sort of blogged haphazardly over the years and just kind of put it all together

1:00:25 Yeah, but it's just part of this overall thing because you know so many other things that I was talking about back in 2007 2008 and people are just like what are you talking about? You know for instance the 17 meme right. I mean That's one of the first posts that I put up on The Secret Sun was about the 17 meme And now you have all these cute people talking about 17 all over the place You know and then you start to notice that this whole 17 thing is just everywhere right Yes, we're seeing it a lot. What do you think it means for people who might be lost? Well okay the thing that I sort of got on the whole 17th thing is looking at one of things that always struck me about St Patrick's Day and I did a big post on this is that St Patrick's day just really seems to be like just the bacchanalia from Rome. It was literally the same thing not even remotely different. It's astonishing

1:01:20 And of course, St. Patrick's Day was not a creation of Irish Catholics it was the creation Irish Protestant Freemasons. That's another thing that people seem to forget but anyhow, you know the whole thing with a bacchanalia is that you know You get together and have these parades and you get drunk and you eat beef and cabbage It's just ridiculously the same thing it's just ridiculous But this all stems back to Osiris because Bacchus Dionysius, you know as a lot of people understand is Is a incarnation of Osiris as a version of Cyrus he's either directly drawn from Osiris so they have the same antecedent, a shared antecedent. But Osiris and this ties back to the genuflecting because Hiram Abiff as a number of scholars have pointed out is clearly Osiris right? So 317 is the date of Osiris's death at the hands of the jackal-headed demon god Set and that 17th thing

1:02:23 the importance of the death of the 17th, it almost sort of like became like the way 13 emerged from the suppression and the execution of the Knights Templar right? And the whole thing with Friday the 13th being unlucky springs from the arrest of the Demolay and all those people in Paris at the hands of King Philip right. So Why is Friday the 13th unlucky? How did this emerge in the culture and it all ties back to the Knights Templar. And similarly, this whole thing with 17 ties back to Osiris and that 17

1:03:00 became some sort of code using the roman numerals for seventeen in ancient rome it's like this will be the day i die or something and some sort of. Code that had to do with death and misfortune and so on but for instance the free masons the grand lodge of england was officially established on st john's day seventeen seventeen so you just see. Seventeen emerge over and over again you know i mean it is something like the ohio flag a seventeen stars to sacajawea gold dollar that came out in two thousand had seventeenth stars on the back it's just something that occurs

1:03:40 very frequently in a lot of the sesoteric symbolism and of course to cue people since Q is the 17th letter of the alphabet Have picked up on this as well. You know ironically though, I mean Barack Obama was like really OCD about 17. He'd always be giving these 17-minute speeches and showing up at various places on the 17th I mean, that's something that I you know back in sort of the Stone Age of Secret Sun I was documenting quite a bit Obama to me is like seems to be somebody who has very serious OCD And I say this as somebody who has very serious OCD because I can recognize the signs You know he keeps all those charms in his pocket and so on he has a lot of obsessive

1:04:20 behaviors ritual behaviors over certain dates and certain places you know he had the fixation on gus grissom and so on but to me like ritual behavior at its core is sort of driven by ocd no i think that we should be here. Is a result ultimately anxiety and anxiety no driven by uncertainty and maybe even just sort of free floating anxiety And that the rituals and you see this a lot with those people like you know the whole stereotype of hand washing and so on, no way to sort of control the anxiety and i think that the ritual is very closely tied anxiety which makes me wonder since we're seeing this explosion of ritualism.

1:05:06 that's being paid for by tax dollars and corporate dollars, you really have to wonder what are these people feeling so anxious about. Yes well said! To throw a few more logs on the rights of Spring Fire and just run through my notes here which is some of the things you said some you didn't but you write one One of the central tenants of ancient paganism, aside from blood ritual check we got that is phallic worship. Yes in that light I can't help but notice that these space X dragon launch was scheduled twin days after George Floyd's death so having the falcons phallus return the dragon to the stars with twin astronauts that particular week can't help it get my attention

1:05:49 Same goes for them stalling the launch 17 minutes before it was set to go the first time. Remember that Horus the Falcon returned Osiris, who died on the seventeenth day, to the stars then skipping ahead a bit There were many ancient gods associated with the sacred phallus, but the most visually striking of them was Priapus. Festivals of Priapus were held in June coincidentally enough his sacred animal was the donkey ding-ding-ding His Roman name is very close to mutiny or rebellion or resistance if you prefer. So great stuff! And just making the point that these are star magic rituals and space is an altar, so we have the ascent of the sacred phallus in the week of George Floyd's death in the Twin Cities,

1:06:39 scientists have discovered a mirror image of a planet and star that looked like earth and the sun located 300 light years away. Where in the constellation Lyra? I mean, boom there it is next to Cygnus yeah yeah you throw something up and space calls back we talked about that with Amuamua and it's always in that mix very strange well I would just sort Qualify that a bit because one thing that I've become very skeptical about astronomy and astrophysics and all these stories that we're hearing from these telescope missions, so on. And the reason being is that you just hear like so much ridiculous nonsense being put out by these agencies now

1:07:30 you know, things about black holes and the universe being shaped like a donut or potato chip or pretzel. I mean it's just constant speculation that's... What is it really based on? That's one of the things that I have a major problem with is we're making all these definitive statements that this water on this planet that's 300 thousand light years away well how do you really know that? You know what I've become very skeptical of science overall since we have what's called the replication crisis where 70% of experiments, the results cannot be replicated or reproduced which means that science is invalid. We're seeing so much of this and with a lot of these pop astronomy stories that come out there are just

1:08:28 Nonsense being pushed on the public but at the same time I think it's ritualized nonsense You know what? I mean, you know I don't know whether if they really did find this twin earth and this twins son you know the same week of George Floyd's death and The rocket and then you're the same week that led up to the festivals for Priapus And so on. I mean, I don't know if any of that's true or But the ritual component of that cannot be argued with. But another thing I would point out too is a lot, a lot of times when these stories come out so say these stories come out at particular points in the timeline that ritualistically correspond to events we're talking about

1:09:08 When you look at the fine print, these discoveries were made like 6, 8, 12, 18 months ago. The stories seem to be held for particular reasons. We discovered this or we think we discovered this so our funding won't get cut etc., But the stories are released you know at timed intervals to sort of coincide with these launches and these major sort of geopolitical or social events that have the same sort of ritualistic context that they're looking too.

1:09:46 or whomever is looking to capitalize on. And we have talked about that before, too like it doesn't really matter if something is real they put stuff out to get mental attention you put mental tension on something generates energy some story or announcement that comes out that we see scrolling through our black mirror phones It really doesn't matter If people trust these organizations and think its real there's something in play there But also just to throw out a related tweet to all this, you wrote, ancient phallic worship centered on martyred gods like Osiris and Dionysus. Huge parades would be held in springtime around the obelisk like San Francisco Portland and Seattle all have and protests look a lot like parades women would wail for the martyr check as

1:10:36 And men would publicly castrate themselves, which I think could be symbolized in militarized police standing down and kneeling to untrained youth. You know, soy boy we could say a bunch of these kids that really would get their ass kicked if the confrontation was allowed to happen they're kneeling to these kids But seriously, does a lot of that mirror what we've seen in the wake of all this? I would say so. And when it comes to the symbolism of the highly ritualized 2020 you also point out that the combination of kneeling cops submitting and mask wearing it all has a very BDSM feel to it and as strange is that is I don't really think you're wrong

1:11:18 No, I don't think i'm wrong either but you know that kind of BDSM and that kind of sexuality was also very tied up in these ancient rituals as well. You talked about the Galloi who would work themselves into a fever pitch, these initiates and then take a piece of broken pottery cut their junk off and throw it through somebody's window. And the person who got the junk thrown through their window give the initiate clothes and food and money, and so on. So that kind of ties into the whole... There was a huge trans movement back in the ancient world right? And I've really come to believe personally, I don't think there really were priestesses in the ancient world.

1:12:03 cross-dressers or eunuchs and I certainly believe this in like say Mesopotamia because you know one of the things when you start to look at Mesopotamia It just seems see that, you know There's so many different priesthoods You know cross dressing or trans priest hoods with all these names and you saw her want to like were any of these actual women? You know what I mean? So it is part of the same process in the phallic worship. It's part of this and its sacrificing your manhood sacrificing your phallus for the great mother and for her martyred son, right? And you know we saw the photograph of the Washington Monument being struck by lightning that same week. Then there was this academic I believe in Alabama who is trying to goad protesters on to take down these obelisks one which was a I guess for a Confederate war monument

1:12:59 I think that was in somewhere in Alabama. But then, you know others were trying to encourage people to take down the Washington Monument itself and so on and so forth. So it's all this like phallic sacrifice symbolism, you know the phallus rising to heaven... And then there's this whole weird fetishism that you see on Twitter with these women constantly berating men with their guns and saying they feel phallically inadequate, I guess and need to compensate that with their guns and so on. You see this all over Twitter it's basically like a truism among these people but again it all ties back

1:13:45 We're really seeing, again like I said and you mentioned before a repaganization process but it's not the kind of goofy pseudo-Christian neo-paganism of Wiccan or whatever. It's the big bloody mass ritual state cult rituals that we saw in Rome that was really... That was the social glue of the empire because in a city like Rome you had so many different people from so many different places And you know, they talk about like the bread and circuses but you know the bread and circus is all had a very heavy ritual connotation. And then you have these mass things like the bacchanalia So it just seems to me that since we are this empire now and that We're no longer in nation right? Now where an empire and were sort of this conglomeration of people from all over the world with all these different beliefs and so on That was seeing this introduction of state cult Mass ritual

1:14:43 as a method of social cohesion and this goes back as long as we have history. And when I wrote that article, the right to spring hours is looking at all these aspects of these new stories and saying okay this ties back to this you made some mention of some examples that i'd given there but it's just over and over and over again and again with jumping around a lot and it seems like a lots of happy head around if not familiar with context of all those But it's just relentless. And if you understand, again the history and the precedent for this, it's almost numbing because it's so relentless now. It's so relentless. It's just never ending. Yes and it is a lot but when I've been thinking about everything that has happened in 2020,

1:15:33 a shit storm of chaos but then i put it in this iso terry context actually starts to make more sense that everything were saying does seem to be some repaid asation or resurrection of cults of state as you call them and, it almost adds clarity as weird as that sounds but. Obviously, we're not going to know who's driving this. What do you think organizers really get out of making this happen? Out of making people get out in the streets and subconsciously play along with a ritual? They think they're supporting one thing and they're actually supporting another. What happens there? I guess they have some way to capture that energy or what do you think?

1:16:17 The Stanford Research Institute put out a paper back in the 70s called, The Changing Images of Man. Are you familiar with that paper? You might have heard of that. It does sound a little familiar. Well there was a bunch of different scholars who were anthropologists and so on who are making recommendations for how to proceed. This is sort of during the wake of Vietnam and the protest movements and a lot of violence in I guess sort of the early days of Watergate So one of the people who was commissioned to make recommendations and said that what we needed was a sort of civic religion that drew on. They said more egyptian into scenes but you have similar how free masonry incorporated these themes in the symbols and rituals

1:17:10 into their own practices, right? So basically coming right out and saying and this was you know SRI is a very big deal. I think it was probably even a bigger deal back then but as saying you know like if you really want to reconstruct society since people are losing faith in the old religion and technology has changed the way people behave in the way people see the world a good thing to do or to try would be like take the pageantry of Freemasonry, which is usually a pretty small affair. I mean most lodges have maybe 20 people involved in these things and do it on a mass scale so i'm sure you're listening as familiar with this. I know we've talked about this in past shows but here was very specific recommendation saying that if you really want

1:18:07 Take post modern society and put it back together in some sort of coherent manner that look what the free mazes are doing. What we're seeing is drawing from that, right? Yeah. It's weird maybe it's something to the effect that if you can get people into the pageantry of something potent from the ancient past maybe they're put into some subtle trance state or maybe they're just clearly controllable Maybe they act it out without knowing because it's something in our DNA from the ancient past or something in the collective conscious and it's just like kick over

1:18:48 the snowball and like let it roll because if you get them in this lane they will just keep going in it and not just get stuck there, and i mean its all about control right so maybe this is just a technique to control people and keep them acting out of play they don't even know their acting now. Well, I think one of the things is that human beings are social animals. We need to feel like we belong to some... And we're certainly tribal right? We need to belong to some kind of tribe. You know, we need to be able to identify ourselves with some larger group. I think that so much of what's going on with this COVID thing

1:19:31 There's so much in training going on you know there's so much brainwashing going on and of course fear is a great motivator. You're but the whole thing wearing masks i mean back in february march who and fauci all these people saying don't bother with mass that are really do anything. I know sudden you know just where to bend down your face will save you from the border clad somehow you know what i mean it's getting people to wear masks and then creating groups and outgroups like oh no all these videos you see on CNN and sort of democrat twitter like oh you know this person was thrown a fit in where i'm asking for this person got to go fight over mask can you see the stuff all over again people start to.

1:20:14 identify with it, that they take sides. It's like oh I'm in the mask tribe and you're in the no-mask tribe you're a heretic, you're a blasphemer, you're an outsider, you're an outslander, you know? You're not part of our mask tribe." And there's a purpose to this is like this messianic purpose that if you wear a bandana over your face when you go to the grocery store then you're going to save all your 90 year old grannies from getting coronavirus It's absurd, but when I look at the precedent for this during the Spanish flu era. The Spanish flu era was a very interesting time too because you had the rise of communism right? Everybody was terrified when the Bolsheviks took control of Russia and then this is in the wake of World War One which is called The Great War and the war to end all wars. There's tremendous amount of social anxiety there's tremendous amount of fear

1:21:06 you know, people had experienced total war for the first time. You know? I mean wars... People used to get out their lawn chairs and go watch battles like during the Civil War and all of a sudden you know they're dealing with cities being bombed in gas and i think that the whole mask thing with the Spanish flu was a reaction to that. I haven't done a lot of studying to that but it's just sort of when you look at the timing is very interesting right? I just think that now it feels to me that scientifically I just don't see what wearing a mask does. And you notice that, you never hear people talk about like washing your hands anymore it's all like the mask but it's all to get people to put on this uniform really It's kind of in training people to wear uniform and one of the things that I talked about back when everything just went kerbluie in the wake of the whole Highway 91 situation and Mandalay Bay and Las Vegas was this whole like wear orange thing That seemed to be

1:22:08 Dry runs for this, you know It's like getting people to wear orange and there was like any cause you know bullying gun violence Whole host of causes that you know You're wearing orange with so that creates an atmosphere where like, you know? You're working in an office And it's like well we're gonna wear orange tomorrow because we're against something that everybody would be against like bullying and then you know somebody shows up like they're not wearing orange if I forgot to wear orange and it's just like You like bullying, man? What are you a Nazi man? You think people should be bullied. What do you want to kill babies? What do you hate puppies, man? What the hell?" It's just like this insanity right and you see this being repeated with the masks and again one thing that we had talked about I've mentioned a number of times in the past is that masks were a big part of occult ritual

1:23:00 This dates back to the mystery religions. I mean, look at the whole thing with like the Venice Carnival right? It was a very iconic masks that whole eyes wide shut thing that you kind of see so yeah it's it's a form of entrainment but its form of tribalism and enforced or coerced conformity. It's true! You know a number different things because again I mean it's like our masks really If you really look at the science, they're not terribly effective. But it's like one of the things I keep saying is that this is not an actual pandemic. This is an epidemic with high rate clusters and it seems so fascinating to me that all these states like New York and New Jersey and Connecticut, all these states obviously California have had

1:23:58 major casualties. I mean, I think there are like just a handful of states that are responsible where the overwhelming majority of reported deaths attributed to COVID have taken place and somehow these were all the same states that were having huge problems with their entitlements with their pensions you know with Medicaid with all these kind of burdens on their state budgets That had a lot to do with like having a lot of old people living longer and longer lives, and drawing more and more public benefits. And isn't that a interesting coincidence? I'm sure it's entirely coincidence that you had all these people dying in nursing homes that were being paid for by state Medicaid or federal Medicare,

1:24:45 you know, in their 90s or still collecting pensions from their janitorial jobs back in the 1950's. I'm sure it was just entirely coincidence that the pandemic so to speak seemed to cluster around these people who were costing these very strapped state governments a lot of money isn't that a fascinating pure coincidence? You know not even a synchronicity just a pure coincidence right? So yeah and there is a very heavy ritual aspect to this because I think the just the act of wearing a mask to defend yourself against the virus upon which masks have no apparent or negligible effect seems to be a ritual in and of itself. You know, it's like getting back towards talking about with OCD where you're controlling your anxiety by indulging in ritualistic behavior and I think you know a lot of these people when you see them walking down the streets by themselves and they're wearing masks are they driving in their car and they're wearing masks? And I'm just thinking like

1:25:45 What is the matter with you? And now like these governments are saying, you should wear your masks at home. If you're having sex with your girlfriend, you should both be wearing masks as if the exchange of fluids in other regions were not going to transmit the virus! It's just absolutely insane but it is obvious entrainment and It is obvious, like I said it's a drill for something else. I said that at the beginning and you know i just have to apologize to your listeners because at the time I was on show I was not very well prepared and I had been sort of doing a lot of work and my brain just wasn't there and I don't feel like I performed but luckily Gordon picked up all the slack but I still do believe that what is going on with the release of this virus is some kind of

1:26:31 drill or preparation for something much more serious than what we've experienced so far. I agree with you and coerced conformity is such a great term for it, I see the same thing people walking their dogs alone with a mask on in San Diego It's so crazy because all the restaurants have been allowed to operate in the streets You can't go inside anywhere but you can sit down in the streets They've closed them so that places could set up tables outside and if your seated don't have to wear a mask. If you're standing, you do have to wear a mask and it's like well is this a serious virus or not because you got people walking right next to tables of people with no masks? It just makes no sense but man we really did it! We packed in a lot of what I had planned. I would urge people to go check out your two-part post new scientism. There are

1:27:20 good context. It's actually new scientism, a demon haunted world after all part one and two I'm still working on number three so by the time this goes live i'll probably have number three up hopefully oh well great then maybe that's a better time to talk about it when the story is complete but Either way, thanks again. You're one of the greats and checking in with you definitely helps me feel less alone People should already know about the blog secret son dot blog spot calm but remind them about he will live up in the sky The Secret Sun book nook and I guess a book on The Clash that came out just a couple months ago No well it's a book that I published back in 2003 2003

1:28:02 I always wanted to get it back into print, but there was all this nonsense. I don't even want to go into it. But I finally got it back in the print and it's available on print-on-demand. I mean, I don't know how many Clash fans you have as your listeners... I hope a lot! There is is. And another thing that I'm preparing—first of all The blackout gave me a real opportunity to get really deep in the weeds with the sequel to He Will Live Up In The Sky. It just goes to show you when Lucifer's technologies are not clouding your mind how much more productive you can be, right? I am working on that book but also have got a book that i've been working on for several years collecting some material from blogs and stuff that I hope to get out in the fall as well so it is very exciting

1:28:50 Right on yeah i thought that flash thing rang a bell but amazon sometimes trips me up with the listed publishing dates they put on there so. Who knew but it's funny should mention that because what amazon did is that when i posted the listing they credited another chris noles, with writing the book. And oddly enough, this other Kristinals is from Cape Cod and I think he's a retired CIA officer. Huh? I'll have to double check that maybe we can call you up and do it. Yeah, that's true. That is true so yeah, those kind of surreal so yeah well you're in the story. Yeah right there you go very cool man as always really lucky to know you had a lot of fun thanks again and take care

1:29:38 Always a pleasure and best of luck for your listeners to navigate and survive the coming new abnormal. Cheers it's the end of the world as we know at higher side chatters how about that really got into it today christmas one of favorites as always, Although it is hard to identify if I feel better or worse about the state of things after talking to Chris, but i definitely like doing it. I think I feel better with the notion that people are just falling in line with some great ritual as opposed to absolute and sheer headless chaos... But maybe that says more about me than anything!

1:30:28 Always a pleasure though. Chris has that kind of East Coast rough edge that I almost have a nostalgia for Chris, I guess just reminds me of the 90s in general maybe when men were men goddammit or something like that Before Judd Apatow movies and too much microwaved plastic leaching into our food made us all betas You know what? I'm talking about I hope you guys get as jazzed up for Chris being on THC as i think you get. I know we had a bit of a long break there, people were starting to ask questions but Chris's power was out for five days and then it overlapped with the little trip that my editor was taking so brave of him!

1:31:14 But here we are, we got it done. Although I always try to squeeze in more than we have time for... ...I really thought the whole second hour would be mainly about his new scientism, Demon Haunted World Posts but we really didn't get to it at all like he said though is gonna have a third part maybe will talk about it then But I do think he's onto something by profiling that 90s era atheist movement, skeptics groups and science-based media guys like Adam Savage and Bill Nye. That was all needed to tear down spiritual beliefs or belief in the paranormal or psi effects just the whole thing it worked on me for a while definitely

1:31:57 And it's a short recent era that really got us to forget or deny, A lot of important aspects of reality. Though the more important point is that it got us all to worship science! It made scientism the one world religion and one world government That we were always warned off in a big way it is church and state Of course, this manifestation is probably not one that everyone expected but there's plenty of blind faith worship and obedience to go around. And it seems to be a higher level of authority than governments because look how quickly they fell in line with the whole thing So in that sort-of Dave McGowan way where he looked at the 60s and saw sea of Navy and military intelligence kids as front men for the most popular psychedelic bands

1:32:51 You can look back at the rise of scientism and its figures, and this thread of Epstein funding. And it all gets quite interesting I guess we're going to talk about it later so I should probably just move on But while it's fresh in my mind I wanted to mention some of that It's scary to think that this could all be a drill throughout 2020 or some precursor to several more layers of shit being laid upon the world You know, I'm never a big fan of theories that insinuate the elite are really making decisions for our own good. But i've heard some intriguing cases to be made that the masks and the pleas to stay inside and away from big groups are largely protocols for keeping the species alive during a stellar impact of some kind one they might know is coming because of course they wouldn't tell us but maybe they'd want to keep the system intact as much as possible

1:33:49 this golden goose that they inherited from generations past. So, they give us other reasons to stay inside and a reason for everyone to have a mass candy because they might know something big is coming and it's the only little bone they're willing to throw us It does get pretty interesting but ultimately I think there are more willing to just watch us all die And that said, another whole added element of the New England area breakdown concerning the hotbed of strangeness where Ghislaine Maxwell was hiding out in and where she was taken after the arrest is that it's all right in the middle of Lovecraft Country.

1:34:30 I don't know if you guys have seen the first episode of the HBO show yet, but it makes me think of times where they've say opened up a famous Pharaoh's tomb right before The Mummy movie comes out or you'll see a quirky little story about someone finding a moon rock in their grandpa's storage right before they make some astronaut NASA circle jerk movie. It's like, would you look at that? Ghislaine Maxwell got arrested in quite a weird area. How weird do you ask? Check it all out in the new HBO series which is alright so far

1:35:07 But as for the higher side chats, that's the show. Nothing is genuine we're all being initiated and the new cult of state is in full swing I suggest you find your faith somewhere else and choose a different altar to worship at if any at all Why not just be your own god until the old goblin king? You have no power over me And with that, sign up for PLUS if you want to hear the second hour where we talked about Hollywood burning. The digital takeover. More signs that the end is nigh... All that good stuff! What does it matter? You'll sign up or you won't go with what feels right. Paywalls are a bummer but I wouldn't be here without it Or you'd be listening to a series of sad pathetic ads I'm lucky I don't have to deal with

1:35:53 Oh yeah, and that other Chris Knowles is actually a retired analyst for military intelligence from Martha's Vineyard. So that's fun! But I'm getting out of here Big thanks to Chris and to you dear listener Stay safe and keep sane I've done my part Your move ritual makers sovereignty takers and priestly overlords of the new scientism order your fucking move This is important hear what I said I'm trying to tell you it's not paranoia, not in my head It's just the hard truth Knocked on your door while i still can To ask you cause' I know your head is still in the sand

1:36:43 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we're arc? Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's a scary dark world Scurrier every day be okay. Can't you see that we're so- You sit and wish but we don't have a choice It seems we're stuck here, but you can find nose to drown out the noise Now use that alternate end up your magic game And listen to THC you know Go with the entities if you ever see

1:37:56 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we are kung fu? Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's a squirrel and it's clear up everyday Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did you get the memo?

1:39:16 Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we're all kung fu?