Topic: Thomas More

The host and Hanlon discuss the "Red Mass," an annual Catholic ceremony for the legal profession honoring St. Thomas More. Hanlon claims that Thomas More was actually Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Jesuit Order, and that More's book *Utopia* laid the groundwork for a communist slave society. They argue that the ultimate goal of mystery religions is a global communist system, noting that many historical leaders who implemented communism were members of secret societies or Freemasonry.

White critiques both right-wing (anarcho-capitalist) and left-wing (anarcho-communist) utopias, labeling them as "right-wing communism" and "totalizing" respectively. He argues that implementing these systems often requires the very force they claim to oppose. He references Thomas More's Utopia and the myth of Atlantis as moral lessons rather than literal blueprints for governance.

Irvin traces the origins of modern consumerism to Edward Bernays and Walter Lippmann, whom he links to the same elite circles as Gordon Wasson. He argues that the elite "dumb down" the population through compulsory education and then blame the masses for the resulting materialism and debt. Irvin quotes Sir Thomas More to illustrate how rulers first corrupt the people and then punish them for their corruption.