Gordon White | Depolarization, Decentralization, & Jack Sparrow

00:05 Puppet masters almost surely have a clearly maybe something there and until you thoroughly tested every last course just did you know the less you really knew? That's true, Dr. Seuss! Without THC, clear by and to us just don't Without THC The higher side Jack Shaw would accompany

00:44 Here we go folks, drinking a little drink smoking a little smoke and missing that old motto here in sunny San Diego. I'm Greg Carlwood and it's been awhile since i put any sort of preface on an episode. I go back and forth because it feels like a double intro sometimes but also occasionally it helps to set the tone in a way I can only really do after a show has been recorded But I just wanted to tell you why we did this episode. There's no doubt Gordon is a great guest, and I love bringing him back for really any reason He always writes interesting posts that are fun to talk about and we do that today too But really Gordon and i have been talking about this major tone change that we've noticed not only in the general culture but also specifically an alternative media as gordon says probably part natural psychological reaction to trouble time such as these and probably part agenda serving manipulation also so

01:39 I asked if we could record a show about this very area because i think it might be good to recalibrate once in awhile, to maybe step back from things and try to see them with new eyes. And Gordon and I have both been sharing articles at an increased rate that support the argument that we are quickly approaching this period we dramatically refer to as the end of Empire but really were seeing a time where various puppet masters are sprinting with their agendas towards an endgame And they seem increasingly desperate, which can be dangerous. And increasingly out of breath which can be hopeful. People are waking up to the old games but new games are being played as well and maybe we're getting caught in a few and maybe the immortal words of Kanye ring true! Sometimes were worried about the wrong things...the wrong things

02:26 Another point is we are following right along the trajectory that Gordon lays out in The Chaos Protocols and it might be a good time to revisit the techniques for navigating this new economic reality that he wrote about. So, without wasting any more time let's do the damn thing with my friend and yours, are out of some crazy garbage called the blood of the exploited working clave overcome their shyness now we're calling them your highness and the world screams save me THC, save me THC

03:23 Alright, Hiresite Chatters. It seems obvious that these past few months have been full of nearly inescapable anxiety, uncertainty and palpable tension buried underneath the smoke and mirrors of multiple agendas from everyone with skin in the game Yes, the bombardment by special interests trying to control the narrative can feel like you're being force-fed ads clockwork orange style in a time square of propaganda but what else is new? Meanwhile the masses take the bait and suit up to support the political teams that got us in this mess just to argue over the color of cloth that will cover the casket at the end of Empire. And if you haven't been working to cure your system addiction, The End Of Empire can very much feel like the end of everything because there are ways to keep your sanity in insane times, ways to keep your ship afloat as the storm rages on and ways to bid farewell to familiar but not so friendly institutions as they fade out of view.

04:12 It's their funeral folks, not ours. The territory is changing at a rapid pace and thus we need a new map! And with us today is my favorite chaos cartographer and magical map maker the great Gordon White As most higher side chatterers know by now Gordon is the witty wizard cooking up all good things at runesoup.com He also authored Starships to restore the magical context needed understand our ancestors and these structures they left behind The Chaos Protocols to get you working on the very armor needed for the times ahead and the ebook pieces of eight if you need some ritual references while your iPad can still get a charge. The Wizard from Down Under, Captain of the SS Chaos Hulk Smasher of the materialist worldview and my magical mentor Gordon My Friend welcome back to the higher side I just love this intro. Just getting better and better at this because this is lucky number seven in terms of yeah And how many times has Nick Redfern been on?

05:06 I miscounted when i told you but his most recent one was seven also. Right okay, he writes a book every 45 minutes how can i compete with that? right it's tough yeah either way i'm still happy to have you here nobody at this point has talked more on this show except me and i think that's a beautiful thing also nick redfern a lot of those early shows are before they were two hours so time-wise you'll still have him beat even when he's on eight I will, but man you've been a good friend and you've given me a lot of great advice not just in magic but in life. And um... You know? I'm just excited to have you come out into the whale's vagina in just a few short months while my special lady and I bound ourselves by the rings of Saturn

05:49 Yeah, yeah. Conspiracy podcast of end of the season? Yeah maybe but I will say you know i don't understand the skepticism that often crops up when i bring you back here your message is always pretty positive and we talk about so many things but i think Almost all of it falls under the umbrella of constructing better models for understanding reality based on the available data and taking back the power that we've given away or had taken from us. I'm sure you experienced this in many other areas of life, but why do you think The Guard seems disproportionately high for wizardry and magic talk in 2017?

06:27 I don't know if it's moved necessarily that much in twenty seventeen i think you end up with a lot of competing different narratives in the city alternative interpretation or kind of conspiracy world and it doesn't really hold water very long there is a kinda default suspicion of these things is so many people have sort of tumbled out the bottom of a Protestant Christian worldview. And, there's this confusing suspicion of both the Freemasons and Vatican, which is fine because you know you end up with different power players through history but it's like well if your anti them are you pro them? That kind of I think gets in the way of looking at it but particularly from a chaos magic perspective

07:16 Focus on all priority and solving things so that's what we discussed this before when it comes to my you know cuz i'm a txt plus member in long term interest in conspiratorial. I am looking for and i make no apologies for it i'm sort of looking forward ways of improving my understanding of the world for just general life improvement. I don't think a lot of people might be using conspiratainment as a sort of Sudoku replacement where they want to, you know solve something but then what happens next? Like once you've solved it what is the thing that happens and that's entirely valid like people are allowed to have different areas of thought or discourse or just general interest

08:02 From a magic perspective in the chaos magic one there's something else to it which is well clearly there are players and things going on in the world. Not necessarily selfish way but what does that mean for me or how do i position myself because im not interested in dying just yet how do I position myself so that i am best arranged for the positive things that are coming and sort of have reduced exposure to the negative things. And, I think that's a big part of it as well Yeah, I get that. I mean, I've heard you say that you can't solve your way to a better world and this was kind of in the context of 9-11 but the point is we know what we need to know it's not really about was it nanothermite? Was it directed energy weapons? You know some of these things to an extent are unknowable but we know what's important which is who we can't trust and what was a manipulation And yeah just because you get that answer doesn't really change the actual world you're living in

09:03 No, the steps you take as a result of working out that the official conspiracy is flawed to put it mildly. The steps you take are the same whether or not it's, whether or not the Thermite One is wrong but like whether or not it's the Thermite One or directed energy weapons or what have you. The steps you take are the same because otherwise you're faced with a situation and happens to people that's typically the first kind of red pill one do you think your other person to solve it into once you've solved it whatever we do march on the White House? You know Right, right. And I also think people have very knee-jerk reactions right now when they hear just certain words and phrases whether it's privilege or Pepe or according to NASA and if they even get a whiff of an ideology that isn't theirs they just shut down or even attack which is kind of unfortunate because

09:55 All we have is the numbers. So if we force ourselves into smaller and smaller boxes, we're really in trouble and anyone who has a different take on things is not always the government shill you don't have to agree with everything a person says to like them. And it kind of seems like we've forgotten that lately. We have and it's a it's an understandable psychological reaction People's world views are matching what actually going on in the world less and less. And the psychological reaction when that happens is to put walls up and to be hostile It's actually a very artificial and difficult thing to do because it goes against human psychology, to be open to new information. To be open to ideas you don't like or people you would otherwise disagree with. It's actually a difficult thing to do and in a world that is kind of dialing up the heat that gets more and more difficult so you have increasing polarization and atomization of people who

10:55 May i may not benefit from engaging in speaking with each other because you kind of end up. Where is the same thing happening to everyone right so that's where i think people have to set a consciously Do it and everyone has that first knee jerk reaction if like I kill you if you disagree with you when we don't agree 100%. Yeah, that is a great point. And good explanation for the psychology of it. When Austin was here We talked about astrology in the space weather being all about walls this next cycle and we were thinking Trump's border wall but maybe beyond that there's a little more nuanced understanding that psychological walls apply as well

11:38 The wall and the boundary, and obviously this kind of relates to the story of magic in particular. The story of Hermes who you know in Greek systems is more or less responsible for it same thing with Thoth which is the Egyptian Hermes right? Is the god of borders and walls between spaces and way markers Add that psychological age like the wall is the fundamental psychological and political concept if you have. And it's not just, although it is currently being expressed to do with immigration and physical walls but the wall and the idea of difference. You can see walls in discussions of single payer healthcare like well why would I pay for you? It's letting people in and out and its this really challenging big psychological concept that the wall is everywhere

12:36 Yeah, man. And because of the distrust that's out there a lot of people have made very black and white conclusions about who they're going to trust what information they're gonna take in what data they are willing to consider and that's basically putting yourself in a bubble which is one extreme has its own problems But you do have to have some type of filter and it's really hard sometimes to discern which data to trust and which to discard as propaganda or disinfo because these institutions are so longstanding. And you can usually look at a few things that are going to make you skeptical, but you can't throw everything out entirely. You can't be anti-intellectual. So what helps you decide what data to consider in? What to not give as much credence too

13:15 It kind of comes back to what we were saying about nine eleven you basically need to stay in a permanent state of meta analysis rather than detail analysis so you need to look at her i think or cluster ideas and generally which direction is pointing is appointing an address for that direction. and make the decision up there bearing in mind that you're making it on kind of underlying data that is, what at least 60% compromised. So its about spending more time at the next layer up but the moment one other things its help for this I started almost a year ago weekly newsletter called The All Red Line which is sort of weekly geopolitical analysis and funnily enough the weekly publication rather than chasing because obviously I write multiple blog posts a week rather than chasing individual

14:04 reaction, particularly in today's world where you have flip-flops over Assad can stay, Assad can go whatever on literally an overnight basis. You get whiplash from doing that but being forced on a weekly publication basis to sort of step back and look at it has been quite good training and I wonder if that's not a psychological shortcut for people as they one need to kind of everyone needs to go into news diet anyway but also kinda commit to yourself that you're going to only form opinion of this, however tentative on a weekly basis rather than chasing every little firecracker of info and disinfo throughout the week. That is obviously a great point because you'll never be done and you'll be getting jerked around all over the place And I think that's the point like i actually think that's what's going on if you look at what happened during the election You see two different mind control or manipulation modes being

15:00 Tested and then put to full flight and on the sort of war party side you have which we both experience of course the actual physical algorithmic manipulation of social media. Yeah but on the other side do you have well let's see how bullshit works Let's see what making a completely wrong statement that i know to be completely wrong china invented climate change or whatever it happens to be. Let's see what happens dropping these chaos bombs that i know to be wrong and its really really interesting the goal is the same right the goal is this sort of gaslight population towards seeing the world where you want to see it, now both are in play right now we have the deliberate use of things people

15:44 No to be incorrect to be used To kind of shape a discussion in the approximate direction one wanted to go and we still have the you know full-blown algorithmic Manipulation of social discourse so where kind of in a world where if you chase these firecrackers You are they the platform upon which the mind war is waged right? Yeah, you're playing right into the goal there and And these are strange times. I mean, even most alternative media has turned a weird corner where Alex Jones and Red Ice and a lot of researchers I've interviewed recently have been critics of the system and its players historically but they got behind reality show Billionaire and then he won! Now as you say we live in a world where Alex Jones has a White House press badge... How would you tweak the roadmap for say like a conspiratorial audience like this one?

16:37 It's just hard because even researchers who are twice my age are in some weird way supporting the president for the first time ever. Yeah, that is surprising I think it's there a couple of things you need to do and i guess one of the other sort of hacks or best practices that include holding off on making an opinion until you know a week has passed The other one is to have a better Meta model of what's going on and one of the things that particularly interesting over the last fifteen years you know i'm very into. Is cycle models in and cycle interpretations now i have a preference for martin armstrongs when but like the thing is any other more or less will work banning likes to sort of fourth turning one,

17:24 You have one that is based on like the decline and fall of roman civilization so when did you have this idea over the last fifteen years that the world appears to be described better in a cycle model than a. Things are getting better linear progression model otherwise would've found in the west particularly in the nineties and bill clinton and tony blair and someone It's almost like you need an improved metaphysics before you want to go and look at or analyze, engage with either mainstream alternative interpretations because with an improvement of physics particularly a cycle model one. Where are the point where this is quality of the discourse declines this is what happens at this point in the cycle right so

18:13 One of the things Morris Berman who I also really like but is a bit more of a decline than i am Who's written books about you know at the end of the american empire and so on he says that the end of an empire people Always make the wrong decisions, so people make the wrong decision consistently And that's either part over it or. It's just a thing that happens and You have to look at alternative media and go this is surprising I wonder if they're not caught in If you wind back the clock five years, the very idea that the Infowars crowd would have a president on – well it wasn't president at the time but would have people for whatever reason giving them like in the White House giving them information. At some point you would've hoped they would've thought hang on I just had a whole career talking about how information that comes from power is by definition compromised and i don't think

19:10 I don't think a lot of people who are into this or following this are aware that, that's still the case even if you happen to like the person who is currently in the White House more than any other choice. That's still in play. Yeah man and also heard recently Collapse happens fairly quickly because of a normalcy bias like an example be we know politicians lie to us but we still listen and we still clap and we get a bumper sticker and we just kind of pretend it doesn't happen. We pretend everything's coming up roses, and then all the sudden the sky falls the bottom drops out and it's because we didn't see those warning signs or we weren't paying attention to him are we're just in denial about them?

19:53 Yeah and again we come back to sort of classic human psychology there and the idea of, I mean talk about this in pieces of eight. If you don't have your own metaphysics your running on someone else's then that is not a good place to be This is difficult thing to do it's why people don't do it And I think what I think what we will see over the course of this year is the fallout from people mistaking two things that, that i think it's very dangerous. Like if you watch the election and sort of the whole thing and we did and we spoke about it, It was quite clear that whatever the secret powers are behind Trump are they have a different agenda to the secret powers behind Clinton in the war party

20:32 I think that's observable in what we saw last year and even to some extent, what we're seeing this year. It does not necessarily follow that makes them the good guys and that's kind of other shoe i think should drop for alternative media and it makes me suspicious mildly suspicious but isn't by design that they've managed to scoop up what was a very horizontal method of communication And kind of tip it behind the president, which the previous president didn't have. Well that's another thing I've been thinking about lately because there has been so much talk about coups and counter-coups and infighting among deep state factions during this whole election cycle

21:14 But I've learned a little bit about Jared Kushner recently and that has made me wonder if we don't have a two puppets one hand situation because he's Trump son-in-law. He has a project that was funded by George Soros apparently, who knows what information to trust? But apparently this is the guy who is kind of the liaison to those old elite powers. And he apparently also is why Bannon was kicked off the national security team and that's what started this whole airstrikes in Syria thing and dropping the Moab on Afghanistan, so I'm not sure what are your thoughts on Jared Kushner? And that possibility that maybe he's been there all along with Pence also in position as a plan B

22:01 It may well be. I don't know if that's enough to go on, given that removing Bannon from the National Security Council which i think is in many ways good...I mean he's a blogger and he's sitting there with admirals That was part of a sequence of events that also included things like having Nunes recuse himself from the Reds under the bed Russia witch hunt. So there was sort of sequence of events that started the Friday before with Tillerson saying Assad can stay and then all of sudden you get this dramatic rearrangement and suddenly Trump is bombing Syria, so... And NATO can stay in and all these other stuff that's going on. Yes I know that the Trump apologists say that this was all timed

22:45 around the Chinese visit to Mar-a-Lago, and that may well have been opportune timing. But the trouble with that is those sort of state visits are booked multiple months in advance and you have a kind of turnaround in the space of week if Assad can stay till he lets bomb Assad. So this is sort of my point which is there's clearly a faction behind Trump whether or not it's currently in charge that doesn't see the world the way McCain does right? One, that doesn't mean they're the good guys. And two it's not obvious to me that they're in charge and I wonder if we're looking at

23:22 how to describe this. If we're looking at ulterior motives for the dramatic escalation of war around the world, so Syria and North Korea—although I view the North Korea thing as good—one of the side effects of that has been to increase the demand for long treasuries, so that the actual yield on long treasuries is dropped which is quite good coming into the end of April when you have a debt ceiling discussion And me thinking that he's a CEO, he's gotta run a P&L. What he sort of done is force half the house to say he's doing the right thing and improved the demand for US debt heading into a debt ceiling discussion and the bit of information I think people missed this week is they should have tabled what they'd like to do for the budget in 2018 and it's the biggest reorganization at the federal government in history of United States so if you're looking at someone playing a medium term game here

24:13 He has got a whole bunch of people in advance behind him raising the debt ceiling. He's improved demand for US debt and he's kind of launched what, almost like a white paper what they want to do next year in the complete reorganization of the U.S.. So is that the faction behind Trump? And does that mean no one would argue there needs to a reorganization of how tax money and the federal government runs. No one would argue against it, but are these the people you want to give free rein to when it comes to having that discussion? And these are things that I think over the next three quarters of the year people who have maybe been knee-jerk pro Trump because they were anti empire and fully get that are going to need to adjust their opinion because you're dealing... It's Game Of Thrones like there are no good guys

25:04 Yeah, amen. And you're right I do see also that tug of war and the back-and-forth on some of those positions another thing i thought was kind of disturbing and unprecedented was it seems like when Trump was asked about did he approve that bomb? He just kinda is like I let the generals do whatever they want and it does seem like he's kinda given carte blanche to the military industrial complex to act autonomously and thats a little weird That's CEO talk. He is actually, to give him his credit when we're talking about the use of bullshit he is unbelievably good at it like he really is I know that Dilbert guy thinks he essentially has magical powers so wouldn't take it that far but he's very good as you say a reality TV show billionaire So he's actually very good doing this and when a CEO says that what he saying

25:57 If it goes well, I'm taking credit for it. If it doesn't, it was their fault." It's one of those things you got to read between the lines on and again, it's an argument for staying at that meta level of analysis which is keeping everything at arms length or don't try as best you can and I appreciate because how difficult this is Kind of a ten year emotional reaction on a daily basis and then take a deep breath at the end of the week right. What is even happen this is coming back to the cycle model thing here we are at this point in time line however you want to call it

26:34 And a week is a long time and a week is a very long time in the amount of just stuff that happens backwards and forwards, bombs and people coming. You know, WikiLeaks revelations and all the rest of it if you try to follow that on on a daily basis I think you're gonna get caught in me energy about fourth turning and it's maybe not a good place to be so excited like being wave or riding away Yeah, I mean great point. You're talking about meta-analysis and I'm bringing up these like hyper narrow details that probably aren't all that important Well, they are. But there is a different perspective that happens when you view these things in aggregate and that's what we have to do because there's just kind of no way right now of getting to the bottom of it like drilling down and going okay well if that's what's going on I'll adjust accordingly. We're not really there.

27:30 And to talk about that point in the timeline where we do everything wrong, I did a universal basic income show which would be one of those wrong answers to the right questions that you write about. And I see why you're not a fan because it reinforces centralized control of the system and I do agree that is bad. I just worry than anything beyond that is kind of outside our grasp but But we do need less centralization, not more. How can we move the needle in that direction despite the best efforts of the empire? Well again on a metaphysical level it's in some sense ending. The way that the empire is funded and the way that its organized will be gone by 2030 like... We don't know how but this you know bond selling raising money to

28:21 pay for things that are overpriced because the money goes straight into the back of private contractors and kind of keeping holding a float by having to go the greatest military force in the world is ever seen, that whole scam if you want is ending it may not end rapidly but its on the way out so what that means operationally for people is From the top down, I think you're gonna get like a run at full totalitarianism. But from the top down it's not going to work between now and 2030 so we won't actually happen this kind of quote-unquote new world order plans will be dead on arrival in The meantime there is the opportunity for us to like personally increase local participation because that will and that can be at a government level That can be food and knowledge sharing with neighbors That can be all the rest of it that allows that kind of

29:09 structure that is if not anti fragile than at least robust to make it through the transition and i think thats a big part of it. It would also be good if we can actually start talking about Now that we have the data for it, why quantifiably do decentralized models work better? It's funny because we have the data for it now but you kind of see that idea at the back of the formulation of the United States as a spell in the first place. Which is tyranny accumulates more or less at the same rate of centralization

29:45 The reason you know washington and new york is such a spitz now in london with the same in the eighteen nineties because that's what the power of money. And i think when you can have that as a sort of yardstick it allows you to go okay well what can be decentralized its almost algorithmical boolean, will you say military chemistry centralised no okay that stays there healthcare funding can this be decentralized as a matter of fact yes and you can kind of pull it down to sort of state local level instead let things fall too. The maximum possible level of decentralization so that when the inevitable corruption happens, you don't capture or break an entire system in its functions like a biosphere then i think there's a sort of interesting metaphysics today we should have people maybe more aware of and yeah you have to ask yourself whether

30:37 Washington as it is currently arranged has the competency to deliver a ubi in a non totalitarian way i don't think anyone listen to this show would say yes to that. There are other opportunities that the way to do it again this comes back to work a currency creation can be decentralized and answer that is of course yes as well. I'm missing kind of tentative versions of it so you could in theory have localize ubi if you were interested in having a week currency than your neighbor and not having and i mean on like a region by region basis, these are all thought experiments make you realize actually gonna work better isn't it then been having this sort of wish for

31:17 I guess, replacing a current system of near totalitarianism with full totalitarianism. I don't feel like that's the solve to near-totalitarianism it's kind of like adding more fire to a burning building. I definitely get what you're saying and the healthcare issue is sort of like a UBI in the fact that is a big centralized system or that's the way its discussed and that really isn't the way we should go about as you've said we need 10 thousand different answers to health care not one! And I think thats'a good way to say it Well, what we need so at the moment and by the way I consider single payer to be an inevitability it's sort of the only way a developed country can continue. And interestingly i think its about 58% of the US so that means quite a chunk of Republicans are on board with it in sense thats broadly good but don't for second think that will

32:06 in any way kind of improve the healthcare options that are available, all it will do is mean that if you get sick you don't go bankrupt and that's fucking great. And funnily enough I'm surprised Republicans haven't made an economic argument for single payer which is really bad for the economy to have thousands of people go bankrupt because they have a minor heart problem. I truly do not understand it but with a centralized system we've seen this vaccines and psychiatric drugs and everything else you only need to bribe three to five people because the deaths in and chronic degenerative diseases of tens of thousands if not millions of people really anything right now. Cdc fda whatever at the top when u see them revolving door into and out of private pharma companies and into and out of government positions now if you run that if you do a set of modified canadian model where

33:01 healthcare funding is decentralized down to a state level, now you have to bribe 150 rather than three people. And you probably will get 80 of them 90 of them who knows but you kind of see where the centralization in power corrupts. That's the bit that we can now prove in – and this is a new thing, so it's all right that people don't understand this – in the last 15 years that we've had demographic and economic data – I mean physical data and access to computing power – crunch these numbers, we can demonstrate there are some things that work better than others. That's one of them. You get a sort of inevitability of corruption in power

33:43 And, you know in some sense in most sense these discussions are metaphysic because we don't get to make these decisions and the world's going to do what it's going to do. But it's almost part of building yourself a coherent map for your own life to sort of solve those things for yourself just sort of go okay well if I did happen to be emperor over the world how would I arrange it? personal real life benefit that you come out of thinking that way but i'm sort of hesitant to go into those discussions because we were chatting about a couple days ago. We seem to replace, real world improvements that we can make with arguing on the internet about our preferred utopias and thats really nineteen century way of thinking about things as if is if you can kind of

34:38 Arrive at a proper functioning of the world by debate and it doesn't. There's no way, even if you win the debate of getting that to actually match the physical world. I think a lot of what you see from an argument perspective online is that people have organized around a very specific utopia and are defending it because anyone who disagrees with their version of a utopia is the enemy. Right! That was going to be the next thing I was going to ask about. Things like universal basic income or national health care, we could say those are the wrong answers for people who are left-side oriented. But what about those wrong answers coming from those on the right? And this gets into that idea of a utopian anarcho-capitalist model which is very popular right now but it is more of a thought exercise than any kind of practical thing

35:33 Yeah, well it's right-wing communism because the two kind of loudest flavors are anarcho-capitalist on the right and anarcho-communist on the left. And so we sort of put anarcho like diet in front of a brand here. I am 100% in full agreement with The idea that the world could do with some fixing things are great like a one hundred percent aligned with both sides from a point of view which is like i think we can run the world to be better i think we could participate with each other and get better than we currently are and thats completely like one hundred percent no disagreement here. Trouble is,

36:18 to implement either of them, and this comes back to what I was saying before. Like your soul for a near totalitarian situation is totalitarianism and you know the obvious example is going left. You go okay well you know the communists...you can put a narco in front of it if you want but you end up with a system that killed more than 100 million people in the last hundred years and kind of delayed innovation and all that kind of stuff so they're kinda left version of it as you need you need gulags and forced marches and all this kind of stuff to get to the left utopia. And funnily enough, you kinda needed on the right as well because you need a totalizing rule to force people into a world with no rules? So how are you doing that? How are you actually getting people into a world of

37:10 No rules and the answer is well obviously i will use totalizing force anything well. What kind of short circuit what you were saying and it's fine as an idea so utopia where thought experiments they never maps, And that goes all the way back to atlantis where they're the presence of atlantis in may is there to make a point about governance systems increase, i need you get the same thing with me we get the word utopia from which is thomas more like these. Thought experiments to make you this sort of moral lessons for how you could be living better now rather than haha we should absolutely do all of this and people who disagree will be crushed so i think there's a couple things in the city gets back to what was saying before about people being

37:57 The world is changing so much and it's kind of shit for a lot of people that they find what they perceive to be the answer and then dig in and defend it. And as a result of doing that coming back to borders you're pushing everyone outside of this border, you've just created and made them the enemy and the reason why your experiencing such anxiety and pain and lack of opportunity and there's just It's a mind game it's genuinely a mind game before and into a mine trap. And i think that part of the challenge is sort of separating fact that you topia is there is a moral psychological lesson rather than, amateur full blown totalitarianism

38:37 Mm-hmm, and I think that's great because I did early on in this want to try to critique both sides a little bit try to rattle both cages and point out exactly these sorts of things because there is a lot of soapboxing going on right now. And everyone's attitude is that the top down system overhaul will work if it's just done my way but its centralization and globalization that create the conditions for people at the top to take advantage like they do and you have a great line on the blog where you say something to the effect that decentralization spreads out the risk of cronyism because cronyism and abuse of power have always been there. Let's move towards a way of life where when it happens, it just takes down our regional school board rather than the richest country on the planet and I think that is a great way to put it and it really is only insurance policy against a system of powerful puppet masters

39:27 Yeah and this kind of comes back to as a saying the formulation of america is a spell to begin with if you look at the reasons why they had like okay let's not have standing army well because when you ever standing on me people use it. And you can kinda see occasionally attempts in history really, do deal with the fact that when you have things like crowns and thrones and navies you get corruption and tyranny now The american formulation of a couple centuries ago is obviously quite exclusionary was white males essentially but the idea is actually quite good so that america is kind of.

40:05 legal construct around a transcendental object which is the american so the idea of. Pursuit happiness and free speech in all these things are transcendental income from god they aren't confirmed by the state that's kind of really eighteenth century way of looking at this sort of same challenge we're looking now which is how do you organize Politics on a group level and metaphysics on an individual level to maximize you know opportunity and general happiness in health and less shitty lives. Four people and it's kind of thing we have to keep reminding yourself that was at different point in the cycle so the best example why people are yelling at each other about utopian

40:49 world use and calling everyone who disagrees with a particular utopia the enemy. If you look at the transition to an industrial economy in the nineteenth century this is where we get marxism this is more or less when u get, can i kiss him this is what you get a complete change in how monarchy's in europe work that the same thing happened because they're dealing with one of these sort of times when it was points in the cycle where you have a sort of major transition. And we're doing the same thing now, and I think there's an opportunity to do it slightly better with an increased historical perspective.

41:27 Cheers to that and let's get into some real advice now that we've torched a couple sacred cows I also want to ask you about this post of yours black pearl of great price the magical significance of Captain Jack Sparrow where you say that The Pirates of the Caribbean films in aggregate are the best depictions of Western magic ever committed to celluloid and you talk about jack sparrow being One of the best pop culture examples of the trickster since Bugs Bunny and a good model for navigating chaotic times, which we seem to be in. Tell us a little bit about this model? Yeah I just want to if people haven't read Rune Soup before...I say things like that and I say them because it you know it wakes people up as they're reading the post but there's been a Pirates Of The Caribbean motif for years and what I essentially mean by that

42:17 If you look at captain jack's purpose as in from a screenwriting perspective. Any says this in the first film when he says what it would ship is any sense of sale and kill and how old and answer that should need to ship is freedom if you look at. This archetype she is moving through the world towards increased freedom, Opposite that, and you kind of get this in particular in the sort of middle films. Less so in the first one. Opposing that, you have The East India Company which is sort of the perfect villain because it's centralization and disenchantment because it is a corporation... It's a state corporation! So it's the worst of the state—in this case, The Crown—and the worst of corporate behavior And it is this totalizing sameness

43:13 That is removing the freedom and taste in color, and it's represented by things like magic. And you know funny pirates and then the pirates are interesting because they're different races different genders all this kind of stuff so the pirate sort of represent the organic and the analog and chaotic number nine sense that's what they are and its by the way This is not a historical documentary. This is how these things work, because what you're dealing with is a metaphysical discussion there and what's interesting about Captain Jack—and why I use the Bugs Bunny example—is he navigates a world of increasing totalitarianism and decreasing enchantment in a very

44:00 Probabilistic way so he has a goal at the end which in the first film is getting ship back but it doesn't over plan the steps. The steps in between them and where he is are not known so you kind of manages that on a probabilistic individual basis pointing one direction and thats really That's very good that's getting on for the scene to let bright because in some sense you will in most senses. You don't know what's going to happen and a lot of this is psychological pain people experiences because they think it was gonna happen doesn't. So captain jack has the freewheeling way of going on a heuristic boolean decision basis,

44:41 does this next step get me closer or further away from my goal and he takes that one of the famous beginning sequence in the first film. Where is shows up on a sinking little boat and then you know leaves and the second fastest ship in the caribbean and in the meantime the town's been bombed and people have fallen off cliffs and he's been in and out of jail, and so on. And it all starts with the—he shows up with absolutely nothing and leaves with what he wants because that kind of thinking and decision making. And Bugs Bunny does that. Bugs Bunny is very much in the moment. That demonstrates the confidence or mastery of chaos that The Trickster represents. As a result, he's kind of like a really good metaphor

45:25 for or a really good way of thinking about in the sense of having a bracelet that says what would Jack Sparrow do is a really good, good way of thinking about what you can do on an individual basis and how you navigate things like totalitarianism and disenchantment. And so on to get to the goal you want to get to your black pole Well said, I mean it is such a great attitude this practicality moment by moment. This ultimate like flexibility and fluidity and that's very appropriate for rapidly changing times. Yeah it is because we don't know what the intervening

46:03 Which is a between now and twenty thirty the us will not be the premium economic power in the world that will change we will have different applications of what was it have digital currency will probably have a modified you bi which begin with like a bundling up of. all kind of state wealth transfers into one thing and it'll build from there. And you kind of look at the steps between now and getting to a more multipolar world, there's the risk of multiple wars, there's- You have to be honest with yourself is washington the best people are they going to deliver all of these things without sticking landing and answer is probably no. So you don't know in which way this thing's gonna happen but in the meantime you probably most people listening to this plan to be alive in twenty thirty

46:49 So what do you doing and how do you navigate an unknown terrain. And there is something in the perpetual optimism of a kind of tricks to way of thinking things which i will eventually win, add it's not in a malicious villainous way it's all eventually when does that now i'm in jail now i'm here now i am here like this is the thing that happening now Reset the decision with what gets me closer will get me further away and it's just a fascinating thing to watch and i just if people are listening to this going well haven't seen in a number of years and i recall the middle ones being shit.

47:26 There's a trick particularly as the new films coming out as to how to watch it and you give yourself a weekend. And what is the first one on friday night because it essentially stand alone, the only way that middle two make sense if u watch them back-to-back so thats what you do in saturday and then you can watch the final one which is almost its own standard learn on sunday but you can if you chunk them in the whole weekend I guarantee you they will make sense and I guarantee you, I will make sense. Fair enough! I'll add it to the list so i can uh... Make it seem like I'm doing something when really I am just facilitating laziness but yeah You can call it research So when we do look at the geopolitical chessboard right now power does seem to be shifting and I wanted ask about China because you've talked about the economic might shifting over there in years to come

48:14 And they recently announced they would be opening up their securities and insurance companies to foreign ownership, which seemed quite different from their usual style. Kind of struck me as it might be a big deal. What are your thoughts on that? What does that move signal to you anything real significant? It's when you're dealing with China they will say things like that but You still not going to get even if with majority for an ownership You're still playing chinese game you like if you buying into anything that's chinese finance it's much like the us one it's completely monitored. When they say things like that will be a precursor to increasing eurasian economic integration so we will open up to foreigners look iran and russia and india and someone have bought in so its way of kind of

49:04 Almost building like a private eyes do you if you look at the infrastructure projects and the access to capital, i need redundancy in excess of that they're building in eurasia at the moment this is that next step and. Broadly speaking it's good broadly speaking economic integration of eurasia without war without the kind of totalizing anglo-american approach which is we will economically integrate you into hours by taking all your resources and giving me dollars and propping up dictators there is a way to get that will hopefully

49:40 kind of result in the dramatic economic and cultural improvement of the lives of billions of people so we can cross our fingers on it but when china says things like that they're playing this game is i think about it I guess it would have been the end of 2014 when the Rockefeller Trust divested itself of all its hydrocarbon assets, which wasn't like Rockefeller but just The Trust. It divested itself of hydrocarbon assets and then because we were kind of playing that shadow war with Russia then oil tanked expecting this would put the pain on Russia before that happened earlier in the year

50:21 China and russia cut a natural gas deal it was about twenty percent below market anyone's like how you know rush must be desperate and then we see the energy price crashed and something that deal looks pretty good. You can kind of see that they're playing this medium term game off. Your agent economic integration because the anglo americans are so schizophrenic about letting other people on the big table with kinda missing One of the singular economic events in the history of the planet by getting this wrong and i just think they're playing. They're playing a very medium-term, subtextual economic game that we're currently not participating in. And you've alluded a couple times to the power going to China in 2030 – that's coming from that Martin Armstrong model of cycles right? Yeah he has exactly 2032 is when China becomes the economic capital of the world in his cycle model but the thing is why I like it is that it's got some very interesting precision timing

51:22 But you don't need this sort of model that he spent hundreds of millions of dollars building to kind of see that's going to happen approximately then, right? Funnily enough speaking of Austin Coppock we were talking about medium and long term astrological cycles. And something very similar kind of shows up in astrology and just as a medium-term economic forecast looking at where things are going to hit around the 2030 mark seems like a reasonable thing to say Right on. And I'm sure a lot of people are kind of freaking out about that a little bit, but you also talk about opportunities in knowing the proper landscape and then capitalizing what kind of opportunities do you think there would be? Because I think a lot of people might feel like well, I don't have the resources to really capitalize on anything when the general population is going to be losing a lot of their buying power. So where are the opportunities

52:16 I just want to talk about that freaking out thing. It does fascinate me when Americans freak out going from number one to number two economy in the world, like relax! It doesn't mean that there's no money left in the US – well it kind of is no money left in the US in a funny way but like just in the middle class – it doesn't mean China China has all the money and no one else has any of it if you look at say you know europe does fine by not being my no longer being the economic capital in the world, what happens is that the thing that happened to this point in time nine so doesn't mean america closes. But what it does mean is if you were looking for areas of medium term growth, and it depends on where you are in your life and what you want to do with your life. And so on the sort of rise of Eurasia, which China is the largest economy, the rise of Eurasia is the economic event of your lifetime now. You can participate in that, but even if you don't, you still are because that is where

53:11 your pension funds will be invested so you know if there are any left by twenty thirty your pension funds will be invested in the building of eurasia and someone so it's almost like, you can't not take a position about what's going on. And as result step one is to kind of need to go into detail but step one is just sort of no at top level the economic shape of the world and more or less the direction it's heading because that has a flow down effect into what it is you prioritize. If you want to high flying career, and your in your early twenties then its probably need to know little bit more than if you're in your late forties and kind of say well I just wanna make sure I can retire and not have to dumpster dive for food so you need to know something different about it

54:00 step one, step two is more or less the same and this comes back to the metaphysics of having a global understanding but participating on an individual or local family or tribal group basis. Because funnily enough even if we weren't at that migration point if you look at the direction of just developed economies in general Food is gonna get more expensive and have lower quality. Will paying jobs going to you know vanish steadily in a rapidly decline as the rise of automation comes on and all of a sudden you starting to look at things well,

54:42 What are the things i can do about that i cant participate in a robot war just yet and that becomes a game of sort of radically reducing your operating costs prioritizing your own health and nutrition does mean growing this is all kind of Falls together as the one medium term strategy which is even as a thought experiment find out just in your head what you could genuinely do to reduce your rent by eighty percent and there are things you can do they aren't palatable in a lot of cases like well I suppose three more flatmates but those are the kind of ideas you need to start thinking not exactly that but those are the kinds of ideas you need to start thinking about because

55:23 However this ends over the migration goes you're still going to need. Access to a particular children access to nutritional food and some sort of kind of economic fallback as the economy transitions into a largely automated one, which means if people do work for other companies or others themselves, and the majority of people do have multiple incomes in the one house operating in different industries. Multi-generational living this is the kind of stuff we talk about in Chaos Protocols which is what the entire rest of the world outside of the Anglosphere does right now and it's what the Anglo sphere did up until the 1950 so we've had this 70 year guess that one family could keep three houses solvent

56:07 And that guess has turned out to be wrong. So the question is how you look at organizing your life and funny enough, since writing the book and this is the bit I get obviously people email or get in touch about it The thing that I've delighted in the most is the different configurations of households. People have emailed in going, you know, I already do that my favorite one was a divorced couple obviously not all divorces can work like this but a divorced couple who both like their husband and ex-husband and ex wife have new partners and those partners have their own families and they said well let's just all live in the one big house

56:43 So the kids of the original marriage are still living with both parents. Everyone gets on great, this big house you have four adult incomes you have access to health care we can have access to childcare all this stuff that's a miracle to me and I appreciate not all divorces go like that but there are all kinds of different configurations over at the idea that you have to have Like if you look at a house and picture the inside of it, and it's a white man in a sweater carving a roast for his white family. That was a guess to sell dishwashers in the 60s right? You just want the White Genocide to take hold! Yeah but I think that sounds radical or different but it's not. It's what we used to do. It's what we've done since caves. And there are opportunities like that where

57:30 need to look at in addition to being willing to kind of move about the earth which is a similar thing tyler cowan one my favorite economists as you book out called complacent class. And it's sort of like mainstream economist version of the chaos protocols cuz he hits all the points that i did last year sorry tyler And one of them is that Americans aren't moving as much. And by moving as much, I don't mean physical activity. They're not migrating towards economic opportunity and that's a medium-term risk to GDP and all this other stuff. But it also represents a surprising hack that if you're willing to move because fewer people are, all of the sudden this area of opportunity opens up for you as well. It's about getting your head over

58:14 at a meta level, world trends. And that doesn't necessarily require figuring out who the secret powers are behind Trump. You just kind of need to know the direction that you're going in and in a way that's a distraction it would be interesting to know when it would be additional information but even without it you can kinda see the directions going and so You have to kind of localize that down to your level and be willing to participate in a family and neighborly sense. I love it, i mean yeah maximizing optionality is the term i've heard you use before but that very much is in line with jack sparrowing it. Yeah absolutely

58:56 This is the world we live in. So now how about the pedophilia networks? I mean, we don't have to say Pizzagate because that's such a loaded term and i've already lost subscribers who have told me that they won't stand for it because those episodes are pro-alt right and anti gay so let me ask a guy who's neither. Pedophilia networks... They've been a main staple of The Conspiracy Minded for a long time well before pizzagate and a lot of people expected Trump to maybe do something about this for some reason But have you looked at this saga? I mean, obviously you have. Where do you see it going? If you'd asked me a month ago, I would've said

59:34 I would say odds on 50-55 percent that you would get further revelations. To clarify, i agree completely, it's not even just conspiratainment the idea of child sex predators operating at the highest levels of government has been around for most of the 20th century like there were pedo scandals in 19th century victorian london right so and they recur, you have obviously the Franklin scandal and Jimmy Savile. And basically any other day in Westminster so it's clearly there but if you're asking specifically that let's just put it out there and say that Pizza Place probably has nothing to do with it. It's a separate thing talking about

1:00:20 the stuff that was found on Wiener's laptop. If you'd asked me a month ago as to whether it was going to come out, I would have said odds-on at the time i would have thought is this sort of Damocles that he has been using and by here mean Bannon to bring recalcitrant people into line and that may yet be the case its just if that was exclusively the case I kind of feel like he would've got his health care changes through So I don't know, i don't know at this point. I know that there patently is a pedophile network of the highest levels of power in the anglo-american sort of sphere but i think that's very reasonable thing to say

1:00:59 I don't know if they're going to be rounded up in the middle of the night because, and this kind of comes back to just because there are secret powers behind Trump doesn't mean he's a good guy. I don't know if that's gonna happen bearing in mind it was as bad is you and I probably think it is The house could be two-thirds empty so If you were trying to do things like whether you agree with it or not tax reform and reorganize federal spending It's probably easier to do with people in the house. And that is really gross, that's like a terribly cynical thing it's the sort of decision I guess you'd expect them to make. That's a really gross thing to say because it means that you are putting children at risk to get policy across and letting criminals go free because of it but I couldn't tell you any more given how the last month has gone who even knows?

1:01:53 Good stuff, man. So before we go because we are up against one hell of a machine what would you say is like a good mantra for modern times or even something to tape up on the bathroom mirror to bring us back to where we need to be among the constant pushing and pulling right now? That's a good one. I would suggest very strongly that people, and like i mean this strongly enough people download the headspace app and the paid version of it, and just kind of force yourself into a regular meditation regime because that appears to be the best cure for the sort of attacks on the proper functioning of your amygdala and the sort of rise in cortisol. And everything that comes along with

1:02:45 watching american news or being on facebook so when is something about it that is now essential to your long term health but you're short term. Clarity of thinking and in terms of munchies things to take up somewhere something along the lines of be humble and what you do and don't know is kind of it at the moment because the sort of short term challenge is how angry people are at each other when, the thing they're actually angry at to my mind that's their one enemy. Like if you look at the people who voted for Trump for anything other than racist reasons and if you look at the people who are proper left so not Hillary types but people who were proper left

1:03:29 they're yelling at each other about the same thing, which is empire. I just wonder if that would be a good thing to remind people of this meditation and be humble in what you do and don't know? That's not saying be complacent, that's saying being engaged but don't call each other the Berkeley thing on the weekend then are both calling each other fascists goodness. Well, wise words man. And it is always a pleasure to have you here so glad we could do it again I always recommend your books Chaos Protocols in particular You also have a lot more going on at RuneSoup since we last spoke I'm really enjoying those Q&As and I'm still working my way through the sigil course but tell the people about all that new-new

1:04:17 Yes, RuneSoup has a premium members option now where each quarter there is a full course on some component of magic. So the first one was sigils and a complete course in Sigil Magic beginning to end it also has weekly video Q&As and other stuff an additional presentations like the Ethnobotany presentation I gave in Micronesia earlier this year but each quarter there's a full-blown beginning to when Course and something to do with magic and the one for this quarter is on the sort of history of the grim was and how To use them, and it's ten dollars a month Which is so its thirty dollars a course or you're paying for the membership in the courses are free or vice versa but it's going really well and It's been one other. I guess has been high point of my year frankly is that people have

1:05:07 really engage with it. The members are taking it and running with it, they have their own groups and we're working on things like a group remote viewing experiment for premium members which you can obviously participate in and group prayer tests and all that kind of stuff so its not just joining a website, its a group of people meeting up in Los Angeles or Manchester and wherever It's a time to find the others. And there is a need, I think now more than ever for people to assert sovereignty over their own spiritual potentials, I guess?

1:05:48 Yeah, amen and I think it's a beautiful thing. I'm glad you're doing that obviously i do it. I think it's the really the future of careers find what you have to offer and offer it and people who find value in it will throw you a bone or two for it And that kind of model we can all kinda get through without the empire We'll see Nice As long as we have a computer, I guess. Yeah it works until it doesn't. Amen so all right well boom goes the dynamite always a pleasure and I will see you out here in July now you actually do have a meatspace thing planned when you're out here too right?

1:06:27 Yes, absolutely. So we will be doing this is Connor Habib and I will be doing an event in Los Angeles on Saturday July 8th We've just moved the venue because there will be looking like it's going to be more people There'll be a separate premium members event for premium members as well But if you're interested, sign up to the newsletter or check out RuneSoup's Facebook page and stay in touch because this is going to be a real doozy. There are other fun and super intelligent guests that we've got that I can't really talk about yet but it's just gonna be essentially why The Occult is right for right now instead of why you need it

1:07:06 And yeah, I'm looking forward to it. And I'm looking forward to the wedding! Ah well that's great. I mean I really hope I can attend that event but you know I got knots to tie and commitments to make for the rest of my life Yeah your excuse is legitimate everyone else is no Right right...I'll take it Cool man love ya take care Alright, alright, alright! Sweet baby Jesus. Gordon White once again people A bit more practical and down to earth than our typical conversations but I hope it resonated with some people. I hope it was clear what we were trying to do or what I was trying to do because my line of questioning was really about how I used to look at the world as people who buy into the left and right paradigm And then there are those that just see past that

1:07:55 But now it seems like there are people who buy into the mainstream left-right infighting, and even the alternative thinkers have been divided into extreme liberal socialists and extreme nationalist libertarian anarchist whatever labels you want to use. But just more extreme versions of the same thing as Gordon poignantly said we're arguing about our preferred utopias on the internet That just, boom. Sums it up right there so I hope this doesn't sound like a lecture because my hope is that a lot of people notice these changes too and whether they've been able to put their finger on it or not hopefully some of this episode wedges itself into a spot that has been vacant for a little while

1:08:37 And I sort of hope the Jack Sparrow template is useful. It reminds me of a story One thing Gordon and I have in common is we both wanted to be filmmakers when we were younger He got further on that path than I did, but I was a big Kevin Smith fan So one time me and my buddy Kirk We drove out to the college he was speaking at and during the Q&A I got on the mic And I asked Kevin Smith how to go from making little bullshit skits with your friends, to really doing something you can make a living off of and be proud of. Because even back then, I knew I wanted out but Kevin Smith said it takes a reasonable amount of unreasonability and he went on to explain that you gotta take some risks that seem nuts and you have to keep moving forward towards the goal and you have to have enough confidence to bet on yourself

1:09:29 For example, when he was making his first movie Clerks he took out a bunch of credit cards and wrote down that he made way more money than he actually did. He then made sure that he answered the work phone when they called and then lied to validate his own salary And that is pretty nuts! That's not something specifically anyone could recommend per se but if you're going to take out a $30k loan for a car why not for your chance at dream life? And naysayers are always going to tell you how stupid that is and for every person that does that and succeeds, there's thousands of people who try it and fail. That may be true but you have to know which one of those people you are Do the Jack Sparrow Go with the flow Don't overthink things Have goals Work towards them Best prepare yourself if things get rocky Like we talked about There are plenty of red flags to suggest they will

1:10:26 Personally, I think about Kevin Kelly's 1000 true fans principle all the time where he says for your thing to become a sustainable career you really only need 1000 true fans who will support you with about 50 bucks a year. We'll do that math! That's $50k. How many of us are even making $50K a year? And a lot of us are hating what we do every day So I say figure out your thing. Maybe you want to make 8-bit art coasters, or maybe you want to make a series of classes about something that's your passion and expertise Or maybe you want to paint people's pets as if they were human Whatever it is You owe it to yourself to try because that day you realize is your last day with the boss Is a beautiful moment That everyone should have It's the true decentralizing Of your income Your not dependent on one guy

1:11:18 One company. It's the moment you realize that even though the education system was crafted to keep you as a cog in their machine, even though there are many debt traps to keep you in place of servitude, even though you probably had to do it with very little guidance... You did it! And its beautiful thing Because I have seen The Promised Land people and is far from perfect but ain't bad But even things like cutting down your overhead and learning truly powerful permaculture techniques, things that a few generations ago were just par for the course. We gotta get back to them! A lot of people want to tell us right now that the sky is falling but not many are talking about how to get out of the way So I hope we can have a little kumbaya moment whether we think taxation is theft or nukes are real or aliens are demons And just realize that despite what we think we know

1:12:12 what pieces of the puzzle that we think we fit into place, everyone is on a journey. And just being on it, just actually being interested in a show like this puts you into very small niche, a group that should have more connective tissue than points of difference right? Just broadly seeing unfairness corruption and tilted scales in the world and wanting to find our freedom and shake off chains We all want these same things whether we think the earth is round, flat or hollow. And Flat Earthers can we just calm down a little bit with the globe-tard talk? You learned about this shit 8 months ago on YouTube be a little less douchey about it Really that goes for everything Be less shitty about everything Almost everyone's dealing with high amounts of stress right now why add to it just to play into the puppet master hands

1:13:06 So that's my two cents. We shouldn't just be sizing up everyone's beliefs on everything, searching for one area of difference and just attacking it over and over But I'm glad we got to talk about some of this stuff. I don't think universal basic income is terrible, but it really shouldn't be what we sit and wait for It might be a band-aid that a lot of us need but maybe we just need to heal the underlying problem instead We should decentralize all the things if we want to feel less pain when we have to dismantle corruption globalization totalitarianism International everything it's how we got into this era of too big to fail

1:13:46 One of my favorite quotes from Andrew Jackson when he was trying to fight off the oily appendages of the banking vampires. Apparently, he said, I've had my men watching you for a long time, and i'm convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of this country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you and when you lost, you charged it to the bank You tell me that if I take deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin 10 thousand families And that may be true gentlemen but that is your sin Should I let you go on? You will ruin 50 thousand families and that would be my sin

1:14:25 You are a den of vipers and thieves. I'm going to root you out." And whether that's a true quote or not, it does highlight exactly the problem of dismantling aspects of society that are corrupt but so integrated that we depend on them in one way or another—their short-term pain for medium and long term freedom But anyway, go see Gordon in LA in July if you can. That is such a rare opportunity! Also sign up for his classes if you want to get your magic right. The sigil course is great. Grimoires is next. Hopefully you didn't think this episode was too practical or obvious or lame...

1:15:03 If you did, you must have just missed the plus show because that's where we got into the weird stuff. We speculated on the heightened interest in Antarctica Gordon talked about his fast and ways to live better and trying times The important psychological distinctions between permaculture and prepping The geographical impact on magic And the differences Gordon has noticed moving from the city of London back to rural Australia and how it's affected as practice the demiurge's main goals and its attempt to fulfill them in the modern world, that the various generations of cell signal frequency could be the vehicle for mass experimentation and that 5G could be full-blown mind control. That there is noticeably less depopulation chatter and maybe the reasoning is because it has already been solved

1:15:52 We talk about how Gordon's decentralize all the things philosophy applies to the re-enchantment of the world and the parallels between taking a dog to the vet and the high strangeness experiences humans have with entities. The things you need to know, people. But seriously I couldn't do it without your support and i have turned down a lot of offers for advertising and sponsorship and outside money based on the numbers thousands of dollars a month but i will not compromise this show and i hope that you respect that because i'm gambling on your support I bet on the fact that you're gonna find this show genuine and entertaining, and that my choice to keep the price low means that you're going be motivated to join up. My life is in your hands dude...my life is in your hands But that said, I did what I can! Your move Deep State Mind Manipulators Polarizing Pundants And Your Demiurgic Bureaucratic Agendas Of Enlightenment Denial

1:16:51 Your fucking move. It isn't pleasing I turn the station, and I am done Maybe in not my department maybe i should shut my mouth Mr. Jones is quite the harlot with all the ads reading out Working with my team we set out to find the best 40 rules of how to be a dude But it's fine

1:17:57 Now that I have THC, I'm feeling more at home than I ever have before. Infowars are just drowning slowly Coast to coast isn't going nowhere These shows are just drowning slowly I'm sure you must feel kinda dirty after each commercial spot Tuning in at certain hour on demand is what i want THC It's the show that I adore Now, I'm feeling more at home than I ever have

1:19:10 before InfoWars are just drowning slowly Coast to coast, isn't going nowhere All these shows are just drowning slowly InfoWars are just drowning slowly Coast to coast, isn't going nowhere All these shows are just drowning slowly