Topic: Shadow State

White details the CIA's persistent interest in Robert Temple's work, including the alleged theft of a rare English translation of a French anthropological study. He suggests that the "shadow state" was aware of the strategic implications of spirit phenomena during the 1970s, coinciding with the Stargate program and remote viewing experiments. Temple is praised as a diligent researcher whose work provides a framework for understanding the distant past.

A modern case study is shared involving a woman who believed she was with her husband of 25 years, only to realize the figure was an entity that eventually dissolved into black smoke. Nathaniel Gillis and Greg Carlwood discuss the complexity of these interactions, questioning whether the physical body or just consciousness is being manipulated. They explore the idea of entities riding victims in dreamlike states to harvest energy or biological materials.

The conversation shifts to the evolution of the term Deep State, which Lewis asserts existed long before the Trump presidency as a descriptor for the shadow government. They discuss how political polarization has caused former skeptics of alphabet agencies, such as JFK researchers, to now defend those same agencies. Lewis argues that political parties use emotionally charged opinions to manufacture truths that cater to the cognitive biases of the public.

A story involving Jimmy Carter's emotional reaction to a UFO briefing is used to illustrate the potentially grim nature of "disclosure." White suggests that the official shadow state policy on UFOs is likely based on ancient alien components and ambivalent, non-human entities. He references Catherine Austin Fitts to explain the extreme and destructive measures, such as drug trafficking, taken by agencies to fund these secret projects.