Nathaniel Gillis | Alien Demons, Hijacking The Mortal Portal, & The Collins Elite

00:05 But the masters almost surely have a plan There's clearly maybe something there be And until you've thoroughly tested every last close-chested few Come on, you think you know where we'd be Without THC Cause' we know they're lying to us Just don't know what to bring Yeah, where would we be without THC? The higher sidechats show Great coward and company

00:52 The power of Christ compels you people from the Sunshine State. I'm Greg Carlwood, and if you dig into most cultures and civilizations of the past, You'll find that they have legends stories in rich mythologies that acknowledge beings from somewhere else occasionally interacting with us From well-known fairy folklore and fairly fleshed out pantheons of gods to shamans who keep their tribes safe from the spirits beyond the campfire's edge And college kids just trying to have a little fun on the weekends There are many ways to realize reality is weirder than advertised in today's world, and exotic life forms are just beyond the baseline wavelength. Ask around and most people will know someone who knows someone who grew up in a so-called haunted house, played with the wrong Ouija board or has that burned-in memory of waking up with something else in the room

01:41 But the longer we wrestle with the question of their existence, the longer it takes to get into deeper questions about what they actually want. And when the typical testimony includes words and phrases like sexual fluid extraction, hybrid babies, energy harvesting, astral births, moon child rituals, soul sucking devices, demon sex and dream rape... Seems like we're dealing with some sort of dark multi-dimensional predator on a mission to crack and compromise the components of life in the magic of creation itself. And wouldn't you know it, today's guest Nathaniel J. Gillis has made a name for himself talking about these very things and the many years of research has brought him to circle around very similar conclusions For the uninitiated Nathaniel is an author lecturer and religious demonologist and after being in the deliverance ministry for 15 years Nathaniel felt called to bring his gifts and research to a more secular venue

02:36 For years, he has sought to redefine the nature of hauntings ghosts aliens demons and other experiences of high strangeness. And I salute him for it. So let's get the party started. The common coast-to-coast commentator demonology demystifier and dark entity agenda investigator Nathaniel welcome to The Higher Side. Nathaniel Mayer, It is a pleasure to be with you. I am such a fan of the show in You threw a lot of titles there, my friend. I hope I live up to whatever we're going to talk about but you hit the nail on the head. I do believe it's interdimensional of some sort and i know we're gonna get into those case studies but hello higher side! Hello Greg and just thankful to be with you guys today

03:19 Yeah, man. Thanks for taking the time. This is going to be a wild one. I'm excited for it because you do have some perspectives on these beans and their goals that are pretty unique and I know you've told the story many times but I understand that you grew up in a haunted house and had experiences that really fueled this lifelong investigation into what it was you saw or experienced? Is that right? Absolutely! That was my very first encounter with a phenomenon I was eight years old, my parents moved into a new house. Actually before we moved in even the open house itself was full of manifestation. I witnessed a full-bodied apparition in what would become my future room and that was like I said my very first encounter with whatever we're dealing with and once we moved in the entity evolved at its pathology and it became a shadow figure... It manifested in various ways

04:14 But it was instrumental in getting me into this research and into this field. And since then, what I've been trying to do is trying to put these pieces together in a way that's meaningful and germane to others who are also pursuing this mystery." Yes! Fair enough. I find it really interesting that the way it usually goes is that when a person is curious about these things, they pretty much just put them in the box that their worldview allows for. Like if you're a materialist who thinks spirits are silly then they must be visitors from another physical planet. If you're a Christian then there are clearly demons. If your Irish than they're fairies or

04:55 And so on. And even though you're a demonologist, I often hear you using terms like race or predator or other terms that kind of get beyond the categorization that this sort of research often gets caught up in Absolutely. I think that is detrimental, it's paramount in doing this research and i'll tell you what happened to me that kind of got me out of that mode of thinking whatever I was experiencing at my house My local church body was unable to give answers for That's when I realized that even just Pentecostalism, or it doesn't really matter what the combination. Many of them are much alike in a sense that if you experience something that doesn't fit into their blueprint, you're gaslighted, you're crazy and never happened, you're lying. And what I realized very quickly was that I had two choices either I can stay in the dogma and abandon the data, or I can grow into the data and grow out of the dogma. I can't hold onto both.

05:53 And in doing that, absolutely the research led me to believe not just that I came up with them myself. It was the evidence that led me to believe that we have compartmentalized the phenomenon by virtue of our religious traditions and in doing so, we've kind of missed the larger behavioral patterns the phenomenon manifests upon its victims Yes behavioral patterns that's exactly like what i wanted to talk to you about because it is kind of. The thing that leads us to the uniqueness of your perspective what behavioral patterns do u see in the cases that you look at one of the commonalities, that maybe overlap things we would consider to be spirits with things that we'd considered to be alien

06:36 I mean, there's a lot more overlap than people might realize and that's where the clues are as to what these things even are and what they want. Right? 100% correct sir. 100% correct. I'll tell you this much. The behavioral patterns plural that I discovered They're a lot like bloody footprints of the stone. And it doesn't really matter what alias the surgical is using, if it's employing the same ritual technique, if it's employing the same belief systems and its same patterns that's incumbent upon us to look at this and say okay no matter what face we try to place on the phenomenon, what is this really? To answer your question specifically, the sexual pathology regarding these beings has been the same throughout millennia

07:19 It has not changed. Much of their victimology is the same, the rituals that they're performing are virtually the same and so that's why I figured man like there's something really wrong here this doesn't seem to be horns and bones right? This doesn't seem to be some in a forgive this term it's not a derogatory term in any sense but we're but it's not a Catholic demon right? It's transcending that microcosm whatever it is it has its own belief system, its own language preference its own values and potentially its own currency. And one of the highlights of my research that I'm trying to bring back around is their sexual pathology, and their ability and desire to self-replicate by virtue of the missing fetus syndrome—that's one of the biggest

08:05 Key markers that has connected this phenomenon. Yeah, well of course we got to dig deeper into that self replicating from the Ghost fetus phenomenon I've heard you say phantom missing fetus what's going on here? Well if we go back into history Somewhere we can't really pinpoint when the first encounter occurred But a woman was visited by an entity that appeared to her in the image of her husband. Now, we first get this obviously in Genesis 6 and the Holy Bible but we also get it in the Apocrypha of John which is a Coptic manuscript preserved by Egyptian monks. And as far back as late Iron Age these people

08:50 We're witnessing the same phenomenon we're encountering today. Nothing has changed, but what we've allowed ourselves to do is fall into the trap of thinking that this is a new phenomenon and I think here's the reason why I believe it because if we can say it's a new phenomenon then there's a new origin—it's a recent origin! And that's real easy up until you realize that okay, if it's an ancient phenomenon then it originated in antiquity And so one of the highlights of their pathologies is to use masks of deception, to manipulate us into doing whatever they want us to do. So in Antiquity it was the fact that okay you have a woman she's in bed at night and then an entity manifests to her she thinks it's her husband

09:31 And then they copulate, she's inseminated with the fetus. I don't know how deep you want me to go. There are some things- As deep as we can! All right. As deep as we can. Nothing is off limits. Sweet. Yeah, couldn't talk about this on other shows sometimes but uh... I know this ain't terrestrial radio okay? Appreciate it brother appreciate it so yeah essentially the entity would manipulate the victim into and again I say this loosely because it's really not consent We don't really know what's going on But there seems to be this game played by the phenomenon to where it doesn't have total access to the female. Because if it did, right? It wouldn't have to play into a role that would just do whatever it wants to go on about its business but there is this role-playing aspect that my colleagues and I are looking at very carefully because it's almost measuring beliefs to where I'm going to play this role for you. Do you believe I am who I am appearing

10:29 to be that at that point of belief, now that entity steps fully into the role. And now it's almost like a covenant of consent which I hate that word but again we're lacking vocabulary at this point. But this sexual pathology is very rarely evolved throughout history. Like today there still appearing two women in the images of former lovers and then the images of deceased husbands And I, to the point now in my research that I no longer believe that these are entities in and of themselves. I believe that these are not people! These are programs being employed by the FUNELMA in order to garner our consent to do whatever they want to do with us. So the Ichibai, the Dibuk FUNELMA we're going to cover those too again, but I would stress you're dealing with programs, not just people. Yeah, that is interesting.

11:27 I was gonna bring up Whitley Strieber just because, I think he is a great example of Blurring this line because he got famous for interactions with the entities and the whole anal probe thing, and he got made fun of for that. And when he talked about it being of a sexual nature people laughed but He was always pretty clear that these visitors come to him and they take sexual fluids 100% and now in his later years and after the passing of his wife He very much is of the opinion I believe he got it from her

12:02 these entities have something to do with what we call death. So again, it's like here is that line of messing with the soul or consciousness versus the sexual fluids. These are kind of the same things. These are both mechanisms of life. The sperm hits the egg and then consciousness infuses With that and then you have a spirit and a vessel so you could see some being trying to unpack this some bean that's mystified or curious Or envious of human creation, and so they're coming over here And they're like well one approach is that we can try to take the sperm in the eggs another approach is We can try to extract the soul from the body and

12:49 I think it makes sense that you don't have to say either or. These are mechanisms that both get to the same kind of thing if they're curious about it, or I don't even really understand how much they are just mystified by it, or like how much they really know and are really able to use these tools, these fluids, these mechanisms to actually affect life? What do you think?" Well, I think in order for us to comprehend or even approach who, what, when and where they are. You have to think outside of the box and outside of the intellectual coffin. Seeing that they've worn masks there's very few things that we can point fingers at say okay this is what we know for sure one thing we do know for sure is that they have a better natural knowledge about our existence

13:39 I wish it was as easy. I mean, I used to think that Dr. Clark Turner would often say that they would extract our consciousness and then manipulate it and then place it back into our bodies but now what we're looking at is their pool of information from where are they getting access to us? Not just the physical level but the soulish dimension where they have actually simulated near-death experiences That freaks me out. There are certain things that freak me out, I mean even when I get into the darker parts of the field it's like, hands off! And that's what disturbs me, the access they have to us. Dr. Barry Fitzgerald was talking one day and he mentioned something that I think is incredible. He says you know we're doing EVP work there are a lot of cases where before we could even ask the question, the EVP answers.

14:38 And this question is something that I echo because he's one of my favorite researchers in the world. How do they have that access? Right, if we're looking at what they know... They shouldn't know! They should not know when people are going to die. They just shouldn't it feels weird you know they shouldn't know what type of clothes people have died in let me put it to you this way Like in the Las Vegas shooting there was a woman that was shot in the head with her She's with her family running away from the shots she shot in the head and she vividly remembers being peeled out of her body and hovering over Her body well these beings seemingly have the same capabilities where they can pluck the soul out of the body In trigger what's called by location in their victims where these people are witnessed two places at the same time mm-hmm so I think that their power source is

15:30 is disturbing. And more than that, the way they're using their information against us... it's not just a thing now but they're incorporating that into the mask of deception they employ in many cases. Yeah I mean what was trying to get at before is like yes my curiosity is are they still on the research and development phase or are they deep into this agenda because it seems like wherever their origin is somewhere non-physical there is a mechanism of time functioning differently. You hear a lot of that with prophecy, people always think it's right around the corner and then it ends up being not even in their lifetime and sometimes you get the right information but the timeline doesn't translate exactly right so they've been doing this from our timeline for a very long time

16:22 pretty much have it mapped out, but it also isn't native to them. So I think maybe there's still some curiosities from their side of things, but there's so much talk now about aliens because when people see a craft in the sky, craft to them equals pilot equals humanoid being from some other place and you mentioned these things might be programs when we start talking about technology and tools used by something that we're considering a spirit or demon, that gets really weird. Like you start thinking about manufacturing and how a ship is getting created I've heard you talk about implants as well there's a physical technological little chip thing it might serve a purpose to them how do you wrap your head around spirits are demons using technology

17:16 I think that when we read of their history, their historical presence in time you see that there were beings — and I call them beings — but they had the disability of being. And in their disability of being, they employed technology to make up for what they lacked If we get back into the end plates, again we're talking about technological necromancy here. I think that's major what we're dealing with. I think that is a behavioral pattern that many researchers will discover during next decade — this technological necromancy. Diana Wosuka mentioned it on The Concrete Podcast where some researchers and engineers believe these are resurrection machines

17:59 So as far back as biblical antiquity in the late Iron Age, we see beings who were not just disembodied but disincarnate. who were out of the body itself. And so what they were trying to do was employ technology and a self-replication program in order to preserve their existence. Now, it's not nuts and bolts or consciousness — a lot people are already saying that, it's not nuding guys who have got to listen to this and watch this — but either or, it's both hands And more than that, I think we need to learn how to say that to see it more often because it's not either alien or demon. It's both and. That would highly suggest you and your listeners who have all the respect for that it's possible we're dealing with an intelligence toward demonic than a demon is more alien than alien. It's something that has created these masks to facilitate its own existence and it's hiding behind these masks but having the disability of being

19:00 to be without being, a being. And so what we're looking for is a species that uses the womb to self-replicate—not its consciousness! But if we're looking at disembodied consciousness from which the fallen angel hypothesis originates —demons, unclean spirits—then what we are looking again are beings that are employing technology in order to facilitate their own existence. Now, do I believe that much if not all of the incubi phenomena they've moved at their programs? I think the evidence suggests that once we get beyond the technology they're employing. Does it make sense?

19:47 view as technology is something that they can just conjure up because they have a mastery of the physical like maybe it's not like there's an assembly line on the other side of the spirit world where they're putting together crafts and having new models derived. And a lot of times these reports, they'll talk about these crafts when they really get into them seeming more biological in nature than technological anyway so Who knows exactly what that stuff is, but talk to us about a couple of case studies that you think make for good examples of illustrating the goals of these beings and the different ways they try to go about it. Like if you were to dive into a case or two that checks a lot of these boxes, that justifies the hypothesis we're talking about, what would you say to people? Well I would say that we have to expand our horizons. I often deal with abductionists

20:41 who because they only know abduction literature, if I mention a case study that I've had with N'Kibai in these, it sounds like abductions. They kind of overlap not even realize what's occurring. It's hilarious to me. It's like now let's make by case. But when you're looking at overlapping case studies there is one book on the pull out and I have tore this book up man because I love it It'll help fit some pieces together for everybody. It's called Aeros and Evil, obviously you can see how much I've destroyed it... Aeros and Evil by RL Masters. Here's one of his case studies in witch era literature and he talks about how some of these witches were being taken, they use that intentionally, being taken on demonic flights

21:29 What? Well, you know I thought this is a new phenomenon. Well sorry! You know it's new to people who are new researchers but... So these demonic flights included something very unique?! The witch number one is basically abducted or kidnapped by what she thinks as a demon the demon in some cases replaced her with apparition or familiar spirit To where the husband wakes up and the middle of night use the restroom looks over and there's Sally sleeping But it's not Sally Stalin is with this entity. And so when Sally, I'm just going to use the name Sally so forgive me if you know anybody named Sally but these women they get through this and they believe they're copulating with corpses and demons like these actually manifest to them. They're performing the act of copulation and all of a sudden the frequency fuzzes out program stalls

22:28 And now these women are realizing that this is not a mountaintop, that's not a corpse and that's most certainly not a demon. What they were looking at was a theatrical performance in which they were being poked and prodded by metallic objects — full of UFO abduction! Then even deeper and darker perhaps many of these objects were carved by someone or something to measure the shape of a man, if you know what I mean. To the point that the phenomenon literally tailored an entire experience around their belief system and their religious tradition but at the point of consummation something occurred in program to where these weren't actually people right? It was technology being employed against this when

23:24 And it was some sort of simulation theory or in a way. But that's just one, I mean if we get into case studies of my own that imply that it's not just technology but it's a way of deception that they operate on. Life hack case studies where like I'll do a show before I do a show they'll hear about it so you have an influx of some of the people that I'm referring to and have case studies like mine. One individual told me that She was in bed one night and her husband approached her from the left side of the bed. He said she was induced to do a dream state, just in and out of it she said. And next thing you know, her and her husband have a physical moment I should say. Then afterwards, she starts looking at him and she said... At first it looked exactly like my husband of 25 years

24:20 who said, but then when she looked closer there were certain facial features that did not belong to him. And that's when she realized this isn't him at all. It grinned at her turned and sat to the side smiled and then faded into this black smoke flew out of the bedroom. Now this is pervasive in film. This is not limited to Incubi encounters or the D-book phenomenon but what we're doing is we're reinterpreting an ancient phenomenon in a modern way And those are some of the case studies that have led me to believe that there's a high measure of technology being employed. Yes, the Eros and Evil book — I had a quote here from a post you had on Instagram where Ariel Master says,

25:09 With demons who survived early childhood often possessed such characteristics as hardiness and boldness, pride and wickedness. They are likely to be exceptionally tall It was also believed that infants seemingly born of demon-human intercourse were not real or authentically human they were effigies or fantastic and used by the devil to deceive women and make them think they had given birth. This is kind of like your missing fetus syndrome term that you brought up Mean it's complex because When you say that people are somewhat replaced like a husband has been replaced in his bed or has been taken elsewhere It's like is their physical body taken is it just their consciousness That's taken and then a demon's consciousness is put in and use the husband's parts to copulate That's kind of an odd thing to me. And also like I

26:04 When it's men versus women, you've said yourself I believe that you've had experiences where you woke up from a dreamlike state and felt like something was riding you in a sexual way. It's like okay well When we're talking about two sides of the physical veil, does semen get over there? Or is it better for the being to be the male part of this situation trying to get at the human female? It's complex stuff. There are layers to what all this is! Help us out! JUSTIN No doubt, no doubt. So, the common question within demonology has always been where are they getting their seed, right?

26:46 Do they have semen of their own that they're producing or are they harvesting it, which already we're hitting on USO abduction? Or are they harvesting it from males and then going in and inciting women with it. I suggest that it's the latter. We've seen cases like that throughout all of history even to the point that Montague Summers and others in Australia, Mino talked to witnesses who gave their personal testimony of working in graveyards and seeing these apparitional beings reanimating recently deceased men, yet then harvesting their excretions to the point I told you it was gonna get dark. I hate that it has to be this dark. Hey let's get raw! Sidus Jorria Vamina was a Franciscan priest and he was collecting biological excretions left by these entities and they were discolored

27:42 Some of them were black, some of them were gray and green. And he and Montague Summers both agreed independently of each other that some of the very first men who were taken by whatever these beings are were recently deceased in that they were milking the carcasses of the dead to the point that it influenced our funerary rites right? We have to bury them as soon as possible. Why? They believed that there would be what we consider vampires who would go in and biologically just extract things from that person. And so at first blush, it is necromancy in a sense. It's necrophilia. It's kind of all there but what's interesting to me though is okay if it is their seed or if it is our seed then why is that even when we're mealing with the devil that the offspring they're tall? Like really tall

28:41 That was a high note for me because when we're looking at hybridization and antiquity, we see the Genesis 6 narrative. And we see their offspring as giants. So if it is just our seed that I believe they are obviously having to genetically modify it to create the biological avatar that they wish to possess Right yeah, I mean you mentioned them self-replicating and if they're taking our seed and using Human wombs then where is the hybrid? You know for the nature of hybrids suggests that one half of this is coming from somewhere else Sometimes. I think it might just be like the consciousness I mean if a demon possesses a man who then has sex with a woman Is that offspring

29:35 different? Is it not necessarily the man whose consciousness was kicked out of the body for a little while? Right. Is there a connection between the sexual fluids and the womb, and the consciousness of the human who's in it? 100%, 100%. So The Apocrypha of John talks about these beings that manifested to women in the image of their husband, and they took upon that appearance And then at the moment of conception, they stared into the eyes of the victim, inseminated with a seed and then changed its apparition to what it really looked like. Now this is an abstracted tradition in Mesopotamian literature. They believed that time that whatever image the woman was looking on at the moment of conception she will birth the material image of that man through her womb as a child

30:34 Now, what's so interesting about this specific pathology is that the beings did not want to make a child that looked like the husband they're impersonating. No, they wanted to make literally a biological avatar of whatever they themselves look like. This gets back into the idea of hybrid. The idea of hybrid is almost calcified within the tradition of just being mixing DNA and stuff. I think you're on the right track because I'm of the same thought process that it was their seed, but the image of this entity in the consciousness of the entity that was in the fetus. Now let me give you some very interesting case studies throughout history now in the debut phenomenon in 16th century where we call them dybbuks but essentially there was a movement

31:31 in Safdi Israel, it's a province in Israel where this group of people were trying to contact the deceased. And in doing so they created their own rituals, they created their own traditions and they had what was called The Doctrine of Guilt which they operated off of but here is what really striking to me. They operated off of the belief that our intentions with them determine their intentions with us Hmm. Well, you know it's the when I read that I thought see and then suddenly what's happening was Women were going to bed at night even men or go to bed at night in beings were manifesting two of them in their dreams Some men were quoted as saying okay since that dream I met a being that I'm being told is my son This isn't incubide sucked by literature

32:29 And then the young man will say things like, I'm a virgin. Where did this thing come from? Even deeper and darker perhaps women were being accosted by entities in these dream states when they woke up the next day they shrug it off whatever it was a bad dream no big deal they go to work and they look down may have liquid sure marks on their wrists and ankles They have scarifications, skin anomalies that are manifesting on their bodies that directly correlate with a nightmare they thought they had. What we're dealing with again is they induce people into dream states, they hack our belief systems and do what they want but even more than these women started to become possessed by the entity that had assaulted them so this is the point in my lecture where I tell people that Zestuos is pregnancy to

33:25 It's being pregnant with consciousness. That's the game they play and so these women became possessed by the entity that assaulted them And then they present themselves to the exorcist The exorcists job is to interrogate the entity who are you? What are you doing here? Why did you choose this victim and on or not well one day These beings their pathology evolved from just merely possessing when now it merged into the incubi house It also ended the missing fetus syndrome because now these women were showing up to church or showing up to the temple, synagogue. And now they have a fetus in their womb and at first blush these demonologists called all of the physicians together and said first of all what is going on here? She's definitely possessed but there is a fetus in her. So they performed what was called the lavush. See this very dark stuff that very few people are talking about.

34:28 But they performed the lavouche, and the lavouche method was to press the thumb on the wrists of their woman. And in doing so they felt two heartbeats in one body — two pulses in the same body. So their hypothesis is still startling to this day. They asked a question... Is this woman possessed by the entity or pregnant with it? and being pregnant with it, what they did is they performed an exorcism. Now wouldn't you know? When the phenomenon retracted the consciousness they also took the fetus itself. And so my hypothesis at this current time is that we've been focusing so much on the fetal presence instead of the consciousness that they're placing inside him. That leads me to believe that that is the true hybrid

35:29 not just the DNA aspect, but the fact that they will take babies and place their own consciousness in it as a self-replication method. I use that term dream rape in the intro because it does seem like, i don't know if the dream world is exactly the spirit world or if that's a separate dimension but they seemed to be able to commune with us on this plane and things that actually occur there can affect us physically. We've all seen scenes and movies where

36:07 The mask is a good example where he thinks he's making out with Cameron Diaz and then she's looking the side of his face and it wakes up, but it's a dog like in the side of this phase that says dog so. Also we probably had the phenomenon alarm going off and it goes off in the dream and then we slowly realize oh this is a dream I'm sleeping at my alarms gone off and i gotta get ready for work so right sounds and things touching us in the physical while were asleep can project themselves kind of onto that dream state. And so there's a mechanism there even without entities, so if you fold entities in they can probably play with those mechanisms and manipulate us even more than we otherwise would be. 100%, and it's a great point that you bring up. Now for those who haven't heard my story, what if I go ahead tell about that entity that manifested to me? Tell it! Very strange

37:05 Because at the time I wasn't even in the field, like I wasn't doing lectures or podcasts. I was just doing hard research you know? Like deep stuff so one night I get off of work and I'm working in a factory. I get off work, I was working second shift Friday night You know how it is, man. You just probably want to grab a beer or something take a hot shower watch sports center or something I don't know Yeah and so i'm there in bed and my fiancee's already asleep friday night I go to bed And i'm immediately in this dream that I mean I hit hard just instantly already and I knew that It wasn't just a usual dream There was something I don't see prophetic. I think there was something profound about it. It felt different

37:50 And in this dream, there is this female shadow figure and its features. The hair's going down and it looked identical to my fiancee like if you took her put her in a dark room turn the light off something your eyes adjust you don't see feature facial because when you see the outline so I thought it was my ex then this entity had straddling him. So in the dream, I'm trying to get her off of me like trying to push her all and While I'm doing this, I wake myself up and to my astonishment the entity was not just in my dream. The entity was literally on top of me yet I'm hitting my ex... Not hard, not abusively mind you but like oh my god! Like I will mention a name but I'll ask her like is that you? Where are you? Is that you because my eyes are still adjusting and finally she wakes up looks up and says what is that

38:56 And when that happened, this entity took one leg pulled it over and just disappeared in the darkness. So in antiquity we would call these beings dream demons but that was our attempt to place a face on the phenomenon but in dream demons and dream demonology these beings would descend down especially at nighttime induce their victims into dream states and here's a key component they would stare into the eyes of their victim Now, I'm not the only one speaking about that. Obviously, Bud Hopkins, Dr. Colett Turner, David Jacobs and other abductionists have encountered that phenomenon but I would like to suggest something that would give us more clarity in context of what's occurring behind our eyes there is the frontal media orbital cortex —that is the part of our brain that tells us whether or not what we're experiencing is real

39:53 So it's not just the hypothesis of David Jacobs, which I love. It's not just that they're looking into our eyes to gain some eye contact — no! I believe again they're hacking our own brain. When we go to movies and we've got surround sound, the chair we're sitting in is vibrating — it's that part of our brain that determines whether or not what we're looking at is actually occurring to us So this has been occurring for millennia, but I think again that what we're doing right now is we're applying a modern interpretation to something that's been around forever. Yeah, I agree with that and speaking of that modern interpretation Obviously we have congressional hearings and the David Grush stuff And all these military men telling us about their experiences and it is all framed in this very militaristic complex

40:47 The industrial complex is gonna get a nice fat check soon here to deal with all this. But we do know from Nick Redfern's book, Final Events which I know you've talked about before there was a contingency probably still is within the government the big machine that Concludes very differently and is more on the page that you're on which is that this is an ancient thing in a spiritual religious context is a lot more accurate than a sci-fi one actually saw post from nick recently where. He said he wanted to write the sequel to final events but the typical publishers yes relationships with have said no

41:33 So, that's interesting because it is his most popular book I would say. He would make a lot of money but for some reason the publishers don't want to milk that cow and he said he was going to do it on his own so I'm interested in exactly what he has to add to the stack there but we can say at least a portion of the government Knows that it's a red herring to put this in a sci-fi type of context and the Collins elite were very interested in pursuing things a different way for those who aren't familiar maybe talk to us a little bit about the Collins elite and How far that went? And you're just your thoughts on their general approach So check this out. So there was a group with the Department of Defense That were deeply religious very educated

42:23 And many of them were engineers, physicists. So what they were trying to do was to look at the demonological connections with UFO abductions in ufology And so they would travel around. It was very interesting to me when I read this book, because I'm thinking okay what is their approach right? How do they even investigate that was very interesting how would a physicist that's religious even...how would they interview a person with the likes of Sibyl Leak it made no sense to me but what they were doing is they were looking at out-of-body experiences and the possibility that we're dealing with is a mechanism that steals souls That was there

43:02 I don't know if it still is, we have to look at his upcoming book. That was their reigning hypothesis was that these beings not only simulate near death experiences but these beings have actually orchestrated murders or orchestrated killings and —I won't use the S word— even that to take things from people and to take them from themselves. And so their interests They went to different religious scholars, different demonologists, different spiritualists. My main focus on their research consisted of Sibylique. Now for those who aren't familiar with her, she considered herself to be a white witch and she was a contemporary to Aleister Crowley and so many times when she lived in the UK, Crowley would show up at her cottage, light candles, perform rituals, talk to her about his research while at one point in her life, she moved to Los Angeles

43:58 which gave me Cohen to leave more access to her. She's just right around the corner, we don't have to go across the pond." So sure enough one day these physicists from the Department of Defense knock on their door and they settle. Got some free time? Sure! They go into our kitchen, they sit down at a dinner table and start asking questions. What do you think these beings are that Alistair Crowley contacted? Where are they coming from? And is there a possibility that you yourself can contact them as a channeler? I'll try And so sure it was, she goes into her trance work and the entity manifested through her. But when it did, it wasn't normal. It was what is this? What is this?! So the entity manifests through her and begins to address people in a room. They ask the angel question, are you an extraterrestrial? The entity began to scoff at them and mocked verbally laughed at then

44:59 Told them that of course we're not extraterrestrial. That's just our newest deception, okay? masks But there were also I mean, I don't know how much wanted to get into this but they were working with a guy named Think his name was Paul Garrett Mm-hmm and Paul Garrett Yeah had an out-of-body experience near death experience I believe and he witnessed these silver metallic objects hovering over people And then doing something to these individuals to where a ball of light would leave their body and it would go up into this UAP. That's not abnormal, even in abduction accounts. Betty Luca witnessed one of these entities literally was almost like a morgue. There are bodies everywhere

45:47 And they would take their hand and hover, move it over the bodies. And then consciousness or orbs not specks of dust even though some of those words are but an actual ball of light would ascend out of their bodies and into whatever we're dealing with. But that was their sole pursuit was trying to link these beings to ancient demons now my theory in a hypothesis is a little bit different than theirs Their belief is that these are horns and horns. These are demons, like they are demons They're not just masking themselves as demons They are in fact demons My hypothesis is rooted in the idea that we're dealing with a singular intelligence That has used demonology as a mask Just as it's using the ET hypothesis as one Yeah I think that's wise to conclude that You could throw in fairies As another lens

46:47 It is used to let us believe that's what it is when really its true nature. Is hidden and we can come back to that thing of like a what their core goal is, Do you think it's focused on consciousness, or you say self-replicating? Is that really their main function? You would say humanity's main function is to procreate and replicate. Right. Is that their primary goal, or do they want to do something more to humanity? Are they trying to make hybrids, are they just trying to continue their own kind of thing? Well we get into these abduction accounts even in antiquity

47:27 There's something that we see, it's glaringly obvious. There is a control mechanism being employed by the phenomenon if you get too close they will correct you If you seem too much beyond the veil it will correct... It will evolve in order to evade. It evolves now again this speaks of not a program Something that is hyper intelligent hyper invasive Even more than that, we get into accounts of them producing screen memories. We saw that in the 16th century with some of these possession accounts where the victims didn't quite know what to remember. Was that real or is this real? Was I really assaulted or was this just a figment my imagination? Going deeper here when we're looking at what they're wanting us to remember, we have to pay attention to what they're wanting us to forget and the truth is at this point

48:25 Like Dr. Culler-Turner said, there are very few behavioral patterns that we know for sure. Everything else is murky. I mentioned this last time on Coast. Dr. Culler-Turner had an experiencer who was out at a picnic and she witnessed this UFO hovering over a house across the street. In her mind she vividly remembered taking binoculars giving it to her friends. Check it out! Look look going into the house unboxing their new telescope I'll take it, all the deck. Showing her friends and she said here's the problem... I don't even own binoculars! She said I woke up the next day and had to call my friend because I'm like okay didn't you remember? We're looking at through a telescope. Yeah but my telescope hasn't left the box it came in. It's still in plastic

49:22 So these are the things they're wanting us to remember. I'm after what they're wanting us to forget, because I believe those aspects of the phenomenon are the very keys that unlock the door not just to them but to us and our own potential as a species. Yeah! That's super fascinating It makes me think about some psychologists out there that are taking a different approach to mental health and looking at entity attachments. And when it gets into memory, it seems like people are able to have multiple entity attachments and they forget that when they were younger they might've made a deal like hey if I can get this girl to like me I will do what you want or just something like these little things that kids say

50:11 They do matter like it sounds like people are coming to the conclusion that these are real agreements if you put it out there in the universe an entity will step forward and say I got your buddy, oh And years later. It might still be embedded in your subconscious somewhere So I think that's gotta be coming into play It seems that people can unknowingly, unconsciously have multiple entities attached to them. I don't know if they're feeding? I don't know if they're like barnacles on a whale exactly what the entity gets out of that but that's a mechanism too like getting inside someone being and living there without their knowledge for years

50:54 Yeah, absolutely. It's both symbiotic and embryonic if you will You know it wants to live inside and to possess So have you ever heard of the Moffitt case Deborah Moffett? Doesn't sound familiar right off the bat Check us out this deals with your cult But the Moffat family owned three different houses in a cul-de-sac And they rented out two of them that's nice yeah, it's pretty cool setup but they all live in one house Well, they had a housekeeper who would come in and clean all the rentals including their house. And this particular individual she performed the satyria ritual and she botched it so I don't want people saying okay I hate Satyariya what i'm saying is she botched it yeah she messed up maybe it was the utterance the incantation the verbage...I don't know the diction..i don't know She didn't either but she said that in the middle of it she said something went wrong

51:56 And when she did, there was this ball of light that appeared in the room and it chased her out of the house. So she went to the family and was apologizing. She said okay I heard that the mother was sick and I was just trying to perform a ritual to heal her." Now this gets into something that I'm going to ask us to entertain right? That's something we have to completely commit belief here but let's entertain them. Deborah Moffitt then says, a week later she wakes up in the morning gets ready for work goes to the bathroom looks at the mirror and something had taken soap and written on the mirror. Talked to me is what it said talk to me pipes it all goes to work. She's like I was not talking about... Anyway since she comes back again the entity wrote on the mirror again talk to me talk to me so she has all of this and this is all documented just photography that think she met with Anne Lorraine Warren other researchers about

52:52 But anyways, come to find out this entity had used that mortal portal. And this is what it said to her... Hundreds of years ago your mother's soul was promised me by virtue of sacrifice and now I want you to perform the sacrifice." So it gives her a written note how to perform the blood ritual, what to use when to perform it and goes on in art Now, I'm going to get into some of the documentation because it's hard to believe. But if we're getting into the idea that at least some of these beings are knowledgeable about incantations and they actually respond to them then what are we really dealing with here? Even in biblical antiquity with the teraphim which is the modern day implant they would carve incantations and names of spirits into metal

53:55 and implant it into either heads, they're called talking heads or actual living people. And the consciousness that merged with the matter memory within the matter stepped into that body and began to operate like its own but there is this technological necromancy present. There is this knowledge of esotericism here that on their part, that I don't think we can ignore. What kind of an extraterrestrial would answer incantations from a Brahmin in the mage? What are we dealing with here?" And I have this lecture that I do and then talk about okay who's conjuring to conjure them? Are we really conjuring them or have they conjured us? In asking that question, I tell the story about the shortest story ever told, the shortest horror story. You know, The Last Man on Earth was alone in his house when there came a knock at

54:56 Right, it's not us! I love the term mortal portal. That's a good one and it kind of gets back to that manufacturing consent sort of thing It's like did you decide to pick up this grimoire because YOU thought it was interesting or did this grimoire...did this being Make this book catch your attention and thus open it up you flip the page 56 why 56 this being might be playing you like a puppet the whole time getting you to Dial its number yes, yes And then it can't respond until that number is dialed perhaps I mean you are well known for saying oh

55:40 The reason they're playing by different rules is because they're playing a different game. I'm curious if you could in any way map out the rules of that game? I've heard you talk about the open vessel law, there seems to be some kind of rules to certain demonic interaction. What are the rules to their game? Oh my God! Well let me take a step back and go on a micro level here When I realized that there were rules that we were given and we were told that they play by. If they're devils, you know, they're almost all Catholic obviously and so they all have this own... They're all in this one religious tradition? It's not true! They have their own language preference, their own belief systems in their own memories, in case of their own currency, their own values. They're playing by different rules because they're playing a different game. The game is obviously using deception

56:38 Now, do I know what the end result is? I don't. I'll be honest with you." I'm not like one of those people who have an answer for everything. But we're getting down to some of the rules that they follow in the... I think it was the 17th century there was a case study where a woman was accosted by one of these beings and when the priest interrogated it he said that, "...we are outlawed, we are forbidden to touch her I don't think it was unless she had been intimate with somebody and then that opened the door for them to say, okay now we can go. It doesn't make sense to me again... Now getting back to the rules of play by, we have to understand something. This is a key component in the phenomenon much of what we're dealing with is propaganda Biden

57:29 Much of what we're dealing with, even the rules that they told us they follow. They don't follow. Sure Now here's what disturbs me with the CE5 movement We've created rules that they must follow If they're not going to follow their rules What makes us think they are going to follow ours? Right Nonsense! Forgive me for saying that Absolute nonsense Here is why Okay Draw a circle I'll stay inside the circle Yeah until you beat the crap out somebody Sure At a certain point, we've got to realize that this onion is layered. And truthfully by the time we peeled it enough to realize okay this is where they are — that's where they were — they have changed and evolved in order to evade us. But yeah, it makes no sense if they're not playing by their rules. They literally gave us these rules and said hey, we'll follow them! And they don't. It's troubling.

58:29 It is troubling i think some people have the idea that the rules are set by god and so they're immutable and unbreakable and you have to invite the demon in. For it to be able even mess with you at all there's a bit of comfort in that but then of course sometimes the demons, They show up in the most innocent form, like a kid at the door and then you let them in. And now you're completely fucked so they have ways of skirting the rules we mentioned consent at the beginning and like consents a little bit of a fuzzy thing because you can manipulate that consent if anyone knows about Neil Strauss's book The Game which is just about

59:14 lame guys figuring out the code to look cool to women and correct through repetition and going over it again, and again they Developed a system for bedding women. So did those women consent sure they did but they were manipulated by someone being disingenuous correct and you could say spirits operate the same way they Even if they need to get consent, even if that's a rule of the game. They get it in these roundabout disingenuous ways It seems right and for those who are gonna listen forgive me for you being using the word consent And I know I'm the one that first brought up I think again when we're dealing with the phenomenon We're still groping for better vocabulary We really are

1:00:03 you know, George asked me the last day. Are you a demonologist? What's demonologists I don't know what is it demon right and it gets weird if I can determine what demon is talking like You know the truth is this is where my research started and that's how I'm mostly known So that's what I have to use as a working title But deception is prevalent. Even Dr. Colbert Turner had a case study of Ted Rice, Ted Rice was with his grandmother these beings abducted both him and his grandmother and this hybrid entity tried to mate with the grandma. Grandma she's like no I've only been intimate with one man again you see behavioral pattern all the way from late Iron Age right? Sorry to heart bomb ya so yeah so i've only known one man that's my husband but he's been deceased now for years oh I got something for

1:00:52 From the shadows emerges her husband. Where are they pulling? So there's only a handful of options here that really makes sense, either they have access to the internet and they could just or they're literally in real time plucking images and beliefs from our minds. Yeah that's most likely to me exactly masking themselves in our memories failing themselves on our belief systems And potentially, them being the orchestrators — the designers of certain belief systems in which they would hide behind that mask. Of course you're going to let me do what I want to do because I'm an angel! So as we start wrapping up, I just wanted to ask you more about the irons you have in the fire. Your bio mentioned being the founder

1:01:48 Preternatural epiphenomenal philosophy. I mean, how is that defined? Are there groups can people join what's the deal there man? That's an old bio No, tell you what early on my research and camp coming against an intellectual wall I struggled with it for years in the idea It was rooted in being in a pool of water And someone enters the pool on the other side, goes down the stairs and steps in. You feel the weight of the water so a lot of people in the paranormal community they'll measure the way thinking that I'm measuring the person and the water. But again that's what's called epiphenomenon where it's a secondary consequence something that happens after something happens. It is not just that we're studying but were using improper definitions

1:02:48 Well, that's a demon of course. It's the wake! It's not the demon." Right? And in many cases, the phenomenon will use that secondary presence as a mask. That way you won't truly be monitoring and documenting and researching the entity that is in the pool. So in many ways we've gotten excited about it right? Oh I felt this or I saw an apparition or something but do we really know if that's the entity Or is it something that it's projecting in front of itself to capture our imagination? First of all, does that make sense? It makes sense. Okay let me move deeper here's why because I've worked with people in ontology where the apparitions here but the orb as ahead of it or its behind it and so the apparitions not really the entity it's a projection of the entity and so we're sitting there capturing

1:03:46 a projection, or like I said the wake in the water — the ripples that it's creating around it. And then we're documenting that and giving faith to that phenomenon and then we've created entire movement right? It's a field of research for 100 million people! No, it's really just an eye product of whatever is there. We've seen that even with Origen, one of the church fathers who was asked why it is when demons manifest there is a cold front And his theory was it's because they're taking energy out of the air in order to manifest. But what we've been doing is monitoring and documenting the cold front, not realizing that there's an entire entity over there.\ Yeah, a big cold front could

1:04:31 require a big entity. Yeah, that's interesting it even makes me think about Bigfoot when I talk to people about that they will bring up the fact that well lot of times Bigfoot is spotted next to an orb and its like maybe the orb is the technology that creates the projection if you look into a projectors lens it looks alot like a glowing orb I mean, I don't know what technology they're using but we do often get caught up on the facades and presentations. We never do see the projectionist or director behind-the-scenes.

1:05:10 the environment without a full mapping of all the layers. What is the dream world exactly? What is this spirit world, how many dimensions are there without knowing all that and knowing exactly what consciousnesses We'll never unravel it exactly, but that means we'll both be employed for a long time. Thank you. I love it in terms of people being inspired to dig deeper or follow your work more closely. You've got one book out another and preorder status right? Think your website is down will talk to us about if they want to follow up with you what should they do where should they go well on that social media our website hasn't been active in years

1:05:51 I got tired of it. All over social media, I was lecturing and researching so it's not active but I will give you guys some book references here. First of all Spirit Possession in Judaism Catches Us In Context From The Middle Ages To The Present. Oh yeah! Got that one obviously Eros and Ebal, Arial Masters Another one called Between Two Worlds by C.H or J. H. Chavez, I think his name is...I probably murdered that last name so forgive me! But this is about spirit possession and Judaism. This is what will connect us to the Missy Fetus Syndrome in modernity. It proves a lot of things unfortunately but to follow up you can follow my YouTube page where I put out videos about my current research. I'm all over social media. Not on Twitter — I hate Twitter

1:06:40 But yeah, you can find me on Facebook. I've shown updated myself at this point, Facebook and Instagram but that's how you guys could connect right? Right on very cool well i do enjoy trying to unpack these things i've seen behind the veil enough to know that there are non-human intelligences as brief as those peaks were so when you comb over encounters and you start to find a through line that goes Wow.

1:07:28 I appreciate your time. Come on, bro. I gave him $20 for him to say that and I'm scared that we're comparing to you follow just like Dr. Steven Greer than I got a obviously say that you're further down the chain than that. Oh, and that's where a lot of people are these days it appreciated me. I'm such a fan so uh, and it comes from my heart dude. Uh, let just pour myself into their research not to say everything I believe is right? I'm not saying that at all I'm sure there are some loose ends that i could tie up, but it's all about the data. The dogma has killed us. The data is what's going to save us. Cheers to that! Yes we all have hands on the elephant but i think your hands are on the more important pieces that maybe help us get a little bit further into what the mystery is so thanks for breaking it all down for us thank you for having me on Greg it's been a pleasure man likewise take care

1:08:28 Praise be to he Nathanael Gillis holding our hand on a nice walk through the darkness I liked it a lot and this was hard to name. So many provocative terms I could have used. Demonic agenda, cracking the life code, demonic consciousness colonization, technological necromancy, demon alien interface, demonic hybrids co-opting consciousness hijacking human creation and demonic self replication I'm sure i missed a couple but those are the things i jotted down as we were cruising along. So as far as terms go, A+. But I do in all seriousness think this is a more accurate paradigm for the greys rather than planet hoppers? I know there's an element of us looking back to a more religious age and a tendency to frame things up

1:09:26 in that religious context, but I think there's a lot of residue and aspects of that you could cut off and just look at this pretty secularly. And get even closer to an accurate paradigm. The alien thing is so hot right now and my opinion here doesn't mean we still don't have plenty of guests who consider these things aliens And I still keep an open mind, but I just like to use the wrap-ups to say when I think someone is hovering a little more over the target for me personally. But who knows? I don't have experiences with The Grays so this is all guesswork and if you disagree with my conclusions it doesn't really matter too much as long as I still cover the spread and you can just stop listening before my bullshit ending!

1:10:16 I will say it was also nice that we synchronistically ended up with a new cover for the theme song to start the day with. I was actually trying to find something else entirely in my inbox and just by putting in the search terms, I stumbled across this email from 2018 where someone decided they wanted to cover the song and I said what the hell? And I listened to it and I liked it! And I don't think I'd heard it before...and in the email they asked to remain anonymous So there's that, but not bad. I also thought it fit the vibe for this kind of episode so i'll put it in rotation Also this was the first episode where I actually recorded the video something people have been asking me to do for years and I've resisted It's not hard to do all the platforms I use can easily record the video too

1:11:10 But as I've said before, because of the editing. I don't want to put out a video version of an episode with a bunch of jump cuts in it. I don't think video adds as much to the experience as good edit does. I thought this through but the bigger factor anyways is that when you commit to video your limited to video platforms of which there are significantly less and the big one YouTube already has me on my last warning But then it hit me that I could just put out long form clips that are YouTube safe parts of the interview. And it might also be good free marketing, and if I use occasional clips from the plus portion, I'm sure that goes double! So let it be known from this episode forward The YouTube channel and social media accounts will be putting up a few video clips If you're interested in that kind of peek behind the curtain... ...and we can have the best of both worlds

1:12:08 But I thought we covered a lot of interesting material today. Nathaniel has really dedicated himself to this space, and I think it's right to say these beings are trying to jailbreak the code of life whatever they are. And if you keep that broad then you can fold in different approaches that they might take—abduction, extracting sexual fluids, attempting to make hybrids but also possession and trying to get at us through dreams and sleep, messing with the soul. And having some of these experiencer accounts involve dead relatives or experiences in the light body and angles that sound like they're coming at this through death or a soul aspect rather than a sexual one. When you fold it all in, it does seem like the common thread is angles and approaches to hijacking human life

1:13:03 Maybe they are just jealous of our abilities to live in the physical and they just want to commandeer us. An analogy might be how humans have noticed that salamanders can regenerate most parts of their body, including limbs parts of their spine and even if you cut off a piece of a salamander's heart it can grow back So we see this ability and you know there are labs all over the place slicing and dicing these little guys trying to figure out how it's done so that we can harness that ability for humanity or be more specific big pharma's profits but from the salamander perspective it matches pretty well to our own abduction experiences.

1:13:49 And the salamanders are probably thinking, hey I don't even know what you want from me. I'm not sure how i do this thing that you seem to be trying to figure out it's just how I am! It makes sense right? The beans are trying to crack a different mechanism but the rest of it sounds like a good match I would say Anyway if you liked the first hour definitely dive headfirst into the second why deprive yourself when eight dollars means so little Today we got into unpacking the power and use of religious symbols, the buzzing chirping language of these beings. The common thread that they tend to retreat when they're detected I told my latest man on the street story from someone who saw my car We got into Malachi Martin's model for a perfect possession

1:14:40 Nathaniel went deeper into the soul-skin connection and we got into what the church establishment might know about such things. Creepy stuff but lots of food for thought! As always, we are just action packed and sponsorship free. And if you only hear the free first hour version of this show, you miss pretty much 60% of the good stuff because the beginning is just us warming up anyway So help me help you. Sign up right in your show notes or at thehighersidechats.com With this one, I was pretty intentional with wanting to fit the Collins elite into the first hour because i think that's Nick Redfern's best work and it's a really great crossover between conspiracy and this demonic approach to The Big Mystery

1:15:30 It was actually our guy Gordon who showed me that post of Nick's talking about coming out with a part two despite no publisher wanting to touch it and that's kind of interesting. I look forward to that! Also speaking of Gordon, we did do another episode of Rune Soup together that is a top 10 book list this one we both covered our top ten health and wellness, true health healing kinds of books. All the terms we might want to say besides alternative medicine or alternative health because allopathic medicine is the true alternative when you have a global and timeless perspective right? But that was a lot of fun! We had totally different approaches and many of his books were new to me And I think you'll enjoy it. And sticking with

1:16:25 Lists theme you probably know mark from my family thinks I'm crazy. Well, he heard these top 10 list shows I've been doing with Gordon and he wanted me to come on to do a List of mine and his favorite 40 in events And that was great. That might be one of the best interviews I've done, I just was really happy with myself. I came off there thinking wow! I didn't stumble around too much and everything I think I said was kind of interesting. I pulled out some stories most people are going to know and I pulled out some things that i'm pretty sure no one has heard before just because at least in one case I pulled some stuff from a very obscure Reader's Digest book that I own

1:17:13 So if you want more me for God knows what reason, there are two places to get it. But that said let's also look at the meetup calendar before I get out of here as we tend to do As you know that is always found at highersidemeetups.com and coming up August 20th There's a casual hang in Ventura California August 25th There is one in Crescent City California I hope neither of those two are disrupted by Hurricane Hillary. How ironic that I just moved to Florida worrying about the potential for hurricanes, and within about 90 days of me leaving the West Coast they have their first hurricane in 80 years!

1:18:03 Interesting stuff. September, we got High Springs Florida the high springs brewing company they do a recurring event we have September 14th Los Angeles California at the Flame International Restaurant another recurring event September 16th Mechanicsburg Pennsylvania September 22nd Alamos Colorado September 30th Columbia Missouri my old stomping grounds And wow, the description says they are actually putting this on the No Agenda calendar too. So that should be packed! I think there'll be more No Agenda listeners there than THC listeners but... There's a good amount of overlap, I think? If you happen to be in Columbia, Missouri, I would say check that out and I'm all for getting other shows involved with The Meetup Calendar

1:18:56 Not every show has to build their own structure for this. Just hop on and use ours, I don't care! No Agenda of course is where this whole idea came from they got their own thing going on and they've been doing it for very long And their listeners love it They're very active with these meetups. I recently went to one myself but we will end it there Treat yourself if you like the sorts of topics and wide range of things we get into, and you don't have a lot of local outlets for conversation. Come meet some people on these grounds as you heard clearly there are some areas where they're having these events on a recurring basis love to see it the next time we have some big wild lockdown or something those people will at least have a few local friends that are all on the same page And I consider that important stuff

1:19:47 Hard to support and build local like-minded networks when you don't reach out to anybody. But hey, that's on you! I just provide the opportunity and on that note... ...I'm gonna call it in big thanks to Nathaniel tell him you enjoyed it if ya did And I'll catch you next time. I've done my part Your move multi-dimensional demons paranormal predators and hijackers of the mortal portal your fucking moves When you see weird lights outside of your door Something sits on your chest when you sleep It might be a pattern, You've been through before Oh you might have those screen memories Darling wait till we get some proof Still will make them see

1:20:49 And baby I tried the Camaroid, I'm not crazy. I think how people can't get free from mysterious grace It's getting just a bit out of hand We really just want to get back on with our days Don't care about the hybriding plan So honey now, don't walk into the skinny arms No they came from the sky from out of the stars Place something on my beating heart Baby this damn life is too bizarre I can tell when they're gone cause' my memories fade

1:22:03 But we know that it's not just a dream Cause they never put me back exactly the same way And the pain is as real as the scream Honey, our goals might be the whole goal Our sense of theme The higher side chats has covered all adware breaking free I'm thinking

1:22:43 People can't get free from Mrs. Grace It's getting just a bit out of We really just want to get back on with our days Don't care about the hybrid in plan But for now, don't walk into their skinny arms No, they came from the sky From out of the stars Play something on my beating heart I'm shouting out loud Baby this damn life is too bizarre So honey now Don't walk into the skinny arms

1:24:12 Know they came from the sky, from out of the stars Play something on my beating heart I'm shouting out Oh baby this damn life is too bizarre Honey i think we're on some kind of far Baby this damn life is too bizarre