The Holosky Guys | The Cult of the Black Cube, CERN Portals, & Other High Strangeness

00:00 Alright people, I am gonna make this quick but i just had to announce that for the next six weeks or so getting into the holiday season. I'm putting a lot of my show outlines up for auction again! I've mentioned before that I stick to a strict routine when preparing for and recording THC episodes and part of that process 95% of the time going back many years has been compiling my mess of notes into A roughly four to six page outline that I print out and then conduct the interview from as a template. I write in the margins, cross questions off as we go along, jot things down a guest says that I don't want to forget and usually have a good deal of material in these outlines that never even makes it to air

00:44 When an interview is done, I put a little staple in the corner and throw them in the drawer until the time comes to dust them off and show them to people for the holidays. Some folks seek out signed scripts of their favorite movies or try to nab a concert set list before filing out into the parking lot... well this is like that but for a weird obscure podcast So I am signing, listing and auctioning off another round of these outlines. I have to any listeners who might be interested in that kind of thing each one is totally unique full of my own dumb notes and typos never really designed for public consumption but it's fine

01:20 If you're into it, they'll be listed on eBay. The link is at the top of the show notes and I'll post links across the social media dystopias that i happen to have an unfortunate presence on all the listings are set to go for 10 days each so have at it now be ready to stuff those envelopes on the other side Merry Christmas to me enjoy There's clearly maybe something there beyond the realm of men And until we've thoroughly tested every last closed-chested view I find the more we think, We know the less we really do Val-T-H-C Because we know they're lying to us Just don't know what degree Val-T-H-C

02:28 Higher side shots show gray code and con-tease Well, my world's on fire. How about yours? From the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and while many of us stuck in a mundane rinse-and-repeat reality of clock in clock out traffic time wasting and screen scrolling might have a hard time wrapping our heads around such strange stories as routine entity visitations telepathic connections to some Federation of Cosmic Teachers UFO headlight induced missing time Kentucky meat showers cave

03:14 goblins, inner-earth reptilians, Bigfoot gift exchanges and a wide range of odd happenings and otherworldly encounters we sometimes hear about. The list of such qualifying anomalous outlier events nearly knows no end if you're inclined to seek them out And wouldn't you know it, seeking them out is what today's guests Steve and Kyle of the Hollow Sky podcast do best. You can find them covering the full spectrum of high strangeness in 40 events digging up very bizarre unique stories in each episode as well as doing a classic live show taking calls from the people every Wednesday night at 8 p.m central on The Night Shift Let it be known that I have combed through their archive and can confidently say we got some good stuff lined up for this one, so let's do the damn thing. From the heartland of America, the strange story collectors, paranormal dot connectors and self-proclaimed bastard sons of the paranormal The Hollow Sky Guys Steve & Kyle, Kyle and Steve welcome to The Higher Side how are ya? Doing good! We're doing great man it's good to be here

04:14 Yeah this is gonna be a ton of fun i'm a big fan of these opportunities to just hit people with several super strange stories. It's really been awhile since i had this kind episode so looking forward to it people might know you guys from going a bit viral year or so ago over the little saga with egress industries, i think i even talked to tony markle about your story when he was on and we will Save some time for that, but I wanted to start with something a little more random. And that's this episode you did about the lead mask mystery actually...I forgot this was the one i wanted to start with but I can't believe I never heard this! But to read your description from this episode you write

04:56 Today we dive into a truly bizarre mystery. You have two men who are found on a hillside with a lead mask over their eyes. If that wasn't weird enough, the more people start looking into the case and building a timeline for the men it gets even stranger! The men take out some money and tell their families they're going to travel to buy a car but then take a bus in a completely different direction. It's also uncovered that They made a few random stops along the way. But the weird part starts when people figure out they were a part of a spiritualism group that was trying to contact spirits from Mars. Now this happened in Brazil in the 1960s, totally new to me talk to us about this craziness. So this particular case kind of makes its rounds on the true crime forums every year

05:46 And that's kind of my first love before paranormal true crime. So it's kind of unanswered as to what happened to these two fellas, so I decided to dive into it long story short these two men in 1966 are found on a hillside in Brazil deceased It's kind of a weird scenario They're both wearing matching suits they have these crude homemade lead masks over their faces both of them There's also some weird evidence kind of laying around. There is a water bottle and there is a notebook, also on scene The police investigators come about they're looking around doing autopsy on these fellows and there are no signs of what caused their death. There's no outward signs of violence there's no drugs in their system No cause at all except that both suffered

06:47 severe cardiac incident. So this is strange to everyone as they're investigating, they have people from a local town start to mention that they saw strange lights on this hill where these bodies were found so it kind of goes down this UFO route As I'm digging looking at old interviews and stuff i find out that there is a second man discovered four years earlier on a hill in Rio de Janeiro in a suit with a lead mask over his eyes. So I'm like, two of them? One is could be a coincidence too there's something going on so as they're kind of doing this investigation they find this notebook right for the first two men and the notebook is kind of strange The first... There's just some notes on electrical information because both these men were electrical engineers The second page Is a little bit weirder

07:52 Second page states, Sunday take one tablet after the meal. Monday one tablet in the morning on an empty stomach Tuesday one tablet after meal Wednesday one tablet before going to bed It almost seems like some kind of medical regimen that these men are taking in preparation for whatever went on this hill They start investigating and asking people around these two men if they were in any kind of like weird dealings, drug dealings. Anything that could end up in them to essentially being dead one of their friends come up and tell him that these men were involved in this strange esoteric sort of religion called spiritism essentially to break down spiritism

08:42 The main crux is that the physical body and the spiritual body are two separate entities that kind of come together in life, right? So as the physical body kind of deteriorates and passes on, the spiritual body continues. Which is kinda the main theme of a lot of religions but in Spiritism they believe that the spiritual aspect of our body, of our life essentially continues on and can affect our world. So it's a lot of like Ouija board practices, and seance tables to kind of prove that existence goes beyond our physical bodies Anyway they were really into this right? so these two guys get the idea that if we can contact spirits here on earth If there is life on other planets why cant we contact spirits of the dead on other planets

09:44 I see the logic in that. Yeah, why haven't we thought about contacting alien ghosts before this point? Well you know what i actually had this thought who's to say...I mean a lot of people have these contact experiences these telepathic experiences with higher level entities but i guess there's no guarantee that those entities are alive the way we're alive and they could be spirits! They never really mention that their spirits but Who knows? It's just a weird thing that, yeah you're right. You would think there'd be a lot more dead aliens to contact than live ones just by the nature of how life cycles work. That was kind of my thought whenever I got to that point in my research and like how did we not think of this before, you know everybody is trying to contact like grandma and grandpa that passed away nobody is looking at Alanians or some shit but uh

10:38 They built this device, these two. Being electricians and stuff they were constantly kind of ingrained in the spiritualism so they built this device and one of their wives confirmed that this happened So they were in their back garden, built this device to contact alien spirits They decide to fire this thing up What's it do? It explodes! So did they contact aliens spirits? No. Did they almost blow themselves up? Yes But afterwards, like there was this weird gray dust material all over the garden. Right? So in their minds, this was proof that they'd made contact with some other spiritual realm because they took collection samples of this dust and it wasn't anything that they had initially put into this machine so it's got to come from somewhere after that experiment They decide to ramp it up a bit And these three men went to a beach about

11:37 I don't know, 40 or 50 miles away to essentially sort of increase their experiment. And as they pulled up to this beach they immediately witness a UFO over the ocean and as this UFO pulls up clearly they're trying to contact alien ghosts The object kind of rises up into the sky and emits a blinding flash and then disappears with an explosion And this particular explosion was reported up to 10 miles away. After the explosion, the two men reported that the beach was covered in the same type of dust that covered the garden in their first experiment. In their brain they're like okay we're making some connections here and there are multiple corroborated witnesses that this explosion happened it was so prominent that like local police investigators came to the beach and they were like what's even going on out here?

12:40 So that kind of got my wheels turning to like, what if? What if in my brain these two men were trying to contact these extraterrestrial ghosts right. So they set up this whole beach encounter and what they didn't realize was that this UFO was already here and their little experiment went awry essentially blows this UFO up then in retaliation you might have some sort of weird I don't know, assassination attempt on these guys from said UFOs. Nick Redfern has a whole book on fatal encounters. You know he's great at going through the UFO archives and then like creating categories and writing a book based on that category. He's got a whole category of fatal ones and one was in Brazil. I think it was just a guy who got shot by a beam as tends to happen

13:40 But, you know maybe these guys should be added to the list. Yes spiritualism is huge in Brazil which I didn't even know it's the third largest religion in Brazil there's like four million members that practice this? I saw a study in 2010 which was like massive so essentially the case is unsolved they don't know how these men died they do not if it was some sort of homicide group suicide, what it is exactly was like were they part of some weird doomsday cult or elaborate murder staged and they don't know what the lead masks are for. Like you hear lead mask immediately think it's something to keep away from x-rays or yeah some nuclear reaction or something like that

14:30 Exactly if these guys are scientists they probably know about the law of how dangerous it can be to encounter one of these entities and i read on a different website talking about this case that the speculation was that day were thinking that they would See these beans and blinding light so they were trying to protect their eyes from like this crazy light being that they would expect to show up but isn't it funny that's often people deep in. The sciences is engineers are also interested in this other stuff i think its because there's a relationship between,

15:10 Plasma's and these entities so if you are an electrical engineer you might start doing some experiments in dabbling stuff weird things my start to occur i've talked to people who say that and then that fuels the interest but it's kinda jack parsons adjacent to just. Weird, weird case. Maybe their souls got taken that's what explain why there is no physical damage or anything like that it's just like cardiac arrest well you know what is that? It's just like being ripped out of your body perhaps but its a weird story the lead masks definitely is what separates it from the rest of UFO lore out there. It's also strange that so many of the practitioners especially in this particular geographical area are electrical engineers

15:54 this whole community of electrical engineers that were also practicing spiritism, trying to contact beings spirits not only from here but also off world. The fact that there was this whole little underground network of these scientists working to try to achieve contact with beings of another planet is wild. Well the fact that in both cases you found Steve The guys were in suits. I know it's like a minuscule detail, but it's still really bizarre that one would travel to the top of the hill and a suit. It doesn't really compute that well." It sounds like some kind of high society Heavens Gate... You dressed a lot better than the Nike sneakers but you basically went to have an experience where you might not be around anymore

16:44 and that is a good one to wet the appetite and just back it up a little bit for the audience we grew up pretty close to each other in the midwest you on the ellen oise side me in missouri i just heard something recently i was gonna see if u guys were familiar this is just totally conspiratorial no paranormal elements at all but do you know, about James Scott. Do you remember the flood of 93? You seem about my age. Oh yeah, okay so this is new to me but I just realized somebody wrote a book-a journalist who went to Mizzou and basically researched this story but the flood in 93 was this massive crazy flood all through like from Festus Missouri to where you guys are

17:27 Levees were breaking, rivers were crushing whole towns. I had a t-shirt, I survived the flood of 93. You know this flood was so big you got the guys on the street corner selling the T shirts well this is just a natural event it's really not anything...I mean it's crazy its abnormal 500 year flood but there's a guy named James Scott who is actually still in jail today for sabotaging one of the main levees in Quincy, Illinois. So this is totally new to me. One of my best friends grew up in Quincy so I was like listening to this story goes and according to the army corps of engineers they all have looked at all the maps of these levies and the attempts to sandbag it out better and they said no this was always going to fail we know the math we know the physics This was fucked well

18:23 James Scott this kind of guy who is like a troublemaker around town the cops pegged him for sabotaging the levee. He says I would never do that, this is my town too yeah might have done some petty crime but like I don't want my whole Town and family and friends to die but the conspiracy comes in because The people on these areas they didn't have flood insurance because there's not supposed to be floods like this. So they put James Scott through some sham trials, they charge him with sabotaging the levy and now it's in a different category of damage and everybody in Quincy can claim this on their homeowner's insurance

19:06 Whereas, if it was just an act of God they couldn't do that. So he went through two trials to jury trials and this journalist said you know I started off thinking how could this possibly be a conspiracy? Well you think that prosecutor didn't subtly nudge the good folks of Quincy Illinois to say you know if you don't prosecute this guy for sabotaging the levee your all underwater No pun intended, financially in your homes. And so James Scott to this day right in our kind of our old stomping grounds is sitting in prison for doing something he didn't do so a bunch of people could make a homeowner's claim on the flood of 93 damage. I believe it. I mean, I absolutely believe it wouldn't take much the fact that he is a troublemaker

19:55 right out of the gate, right there. And then if you have local law enforcement anything in the local area that has the power but also has either loved ones or themselves damaged from these floods and they also know well we're up shit creek unless we do something drastic like this I don't think it takes very much convincing because a lot of people in today's world even back then are more so about themselves than they are about the single unit I can see him putting him on the stake and just saying, hey he was a dirtbag. You know he's gonna end up in prison anyways so let everybody just do ourselves a favor and make this work. Exactly! The world is run on incentives and all you have to do is point out to the good people of Quincy that there is a very strong incentive to say guilty

20:50 And that seems to be what happened i just think it's so crazy that there are people now still who go and interview james scott in prison in the jefferson city missouri prison. And he just like yeah didn't do it but here i am and i'm sure that story happens all over the place but, i did not know that something That was formative when I was in the third grade would have obviously a conspiracy at its heart so many things do not flood insurance scams are real deal my grandparents live just north of Grafton and they were out of the floodplain when the levees broke it wipe their whole farm out and they you know the flood plain you don't get flood insurance. They were to settle off there to make up for themselves

21:32 Yeah so not really a paranormal thing but I just figured i'd throw it in there because we're all from the same area. I don't know how many people listening care, but look up the flood of 93 and you'll see wow! I didn't know that could even happen we have hurricane floods but this is something totally random in the middle of the country? So unusual...so let me ask you guys backing up Hollow Sky. Where'd the name come from? Because when Tony Merkel was here, I believe...I have to go back but i believe I said hollow sky and he goes no it's Holowski and I said oh I feel like an idiot now but its hollow sky but that doesn't really speak to paranormal I mean higher side chats is a weird name too but hollow sky where did that come from It was kind of my brainchild I tend to have a creative mind

22:19 and I'll see images, and I have zero artistic ability. The best I have is words And...I liked the image of two people kind of like a Mulder & Scully underneath a holographic sky. Also, I'm a huge fan- this is no dig at anybody This is just me and my preferences. I like names that mean nothing because I hate labels right? I hate boxing myself into a corner and being stuck there per name, per image. And so HoloSky... I don't think many people even know what to think when they hear that name it's just there and so me and Steve were able to craft the image around that name versus the other way around. Yeah! That's good not un-similar to myself The general theme is these are the threads of thought that are interesting when you're getting high

23:16 i started this ten years ago i was in my early twenties i don't know if i'd name it the same today but i'm lucky that i didn't name at the conspiracy hour or the paranormal our is it's hard to pay that it's hard to include All these other things that you get interested in along the way like what was the ancient world really like and is there truth to the occult and this sort of stuff that would seem weird if the name was too on-the-nose with one pillar of these things that I think are staples of the show staple topic so yeah i'm about same mindset i like it. So let's go to the next one i want to make sure we can fit in as much of this as we can and we get to talk and I know how it goes so.

24:00 Let's jump to this episode. You did the cult of the black cube and we tend to love provocative stories involving Saturn around here, you say in that episode that you were just going to go over the history of the black cube and Saturn and the associations but then it sort of became centered around this particular book now Steve, you told me in the DMS that You guys actually bought an $800 Saturnian grimoire when doing the Black Cube research. Is this THE book in question, The Cult of the Black Cube? A Saturnian Grimoire by Dr Arthur Moros? Yeah that's the book Okay I hear a lot about it on other shows about Saturn. I don't have the most extensive knowledge into Saturn but you hear about the black cube alot and so i'm like you know what there are so many depictions of the black cube across history

24:50 Even in modern times, you see so many people using this imagery. So I was like that's what I want to look into. So as I'm digging around and got a million tabs open on the computer... ...I stumble onto this book and I'm like man this book looks cool! Talked with Steve about it he's like let's just get it and I'm like alright cool bet lets do this And so we grab it, start digging through it and I am kind of blown away by the information that is in there Of course Arthur is not the author real name But he has a rather compelling story and even if there is questions behind his personal story, I feel like a lot of what he has to say lines up with the occult. Not that i'm a professional in the occult because i'm not at all but there's so many things in here that make sense you know? The original intro to The Black Cube and this book in particular is that Arthur gets in a car accident He's all boogered up And his life is pretty much miserable

25:51 And as he gets older and goes into college, he starts to dabble into psychology and philosophy. Then he ends up picking a course with Latin and religious studies that kind of venture off into this magic and occult area. As he's researching the magic and the occult, he gets into Roman necromancy. I do understand his position in the world because he has far bleaker outlook than most people would because of his conditions but you know what? I don't know that i believe in this stuff but what's it gonna hurt yeah desperate times right and so he's like, imma partake in this ceremony to the catholic gods and he basically looks at one is a i'm not a latin expert but do u dis which apparently means i give so that you will give. He like makes his own ceremony his own ritual he starts combining things with other parts and decides he's going to contact the

26:56 Diamanes, which are apparently our ghost gods of the Roman netherworld. So he's in his room He's combining things on his altar and he's got a glass bowl that sitting there with all the offerings in it as he's performing the ritual he cuts himself drops the blood into the glass bowl and he says for his words that That was probably the most significant moment in his life because as he does this The room changes The temperature instantly drops, the candles dim. The glass bowl explodes and he feels the entities in the room and he says you know one of them in particular seems extremely malevolent And so he kind of panics like a lot of people would especially if you're in the mindset that this is not real But I'm gonna just try it and then you get a result like that That's kind of a shell shock You know? I mean...I don't even know how Even to this day any three of us would take that moment

27:58 So he apologizes, it goes back and then the malevolent spirit leaves. A couple days later he begins to have vivid dreams of being in this far out landscape and there's a vibrating black mass that begins to communicate with him telepathically And essentially tells him like hey your ritual caught my attention so now I'm here which is such a scary way to view things and accept things that you don't even have necessarily reach out to one in particular, you can just catch the attention of. Which I feel like is extremely relevant in that world but it's like you can go back to which you came we can leave each other alone or on the opposite side of that...I can fix you and if I fixed you then essentially in a roundabout way your indebted to me The bargain is that your ambitions come second to whatever I need

29:05 And I guess Arthur at that point because his life, you know He was given so many painkillers that he was essentially in a coma every day Because that's the only way he could treat his pain. So he's like alright let's do this the entity attaches itself to him and By Arthur's words it keeps its end of the bargain. He lives a pretty awesome life It goes on to research the occult go into Ivy League schools and stuff like that and one thing that I found Interesting, because I think unknowingly a lot of people in our fields experience this whether they admit it or not. Arthur says that Saturn communicated to him not so much directly but with what he would call nudges or very unusual synchronicities and you hear those very very often in the worlds that we walk

30:06 So that one struck home. And then the nudges, yeah. It put him through graduate school he got a doctorate in mythology and after 25 years of this relationship he says the entity always kept its promise I mean he was healed and remained healed what more did you want? You know that was the deal so he had to become like an advocate or messenger for Saturn and ends up putting his

30:46 life's work all this knowledge in to this book the call to the black cube i guess. If i remember correctly he finds out along the way that there are other people that maybe have made individual deals with them or at least worship saturn and we know that there is a cold out there you mentioned symbols yeah, Obviously the mecca cube we know and then there's the u.n meditation cute look at those things side by side and then the one world trade center has a damn cube their after that ritual, it's like what the hell is going on in there if you go back to the jordan maxwell material you talk about the graduation cap is basically a flattened black cube and it gets into our traditions around the court system and that cube is basically.

31:35 An unfolded, well a cross is an unfolded three-dimensional cube. So then if you think about the cross symbol as being just another version of the Saturnian cube while it's all cube everything's a damn cube some of the biggest franchises in Hollywood you mentioned The Avengers and Transformers both center around some stupid little cube magic cubes It's like, God. There is not any symbol that's more seated than that and so you do think like who's doing this? And maybe these people formed deals with Saturn and he's like hey you know if you want your movie franchise to really pop off if you really want to make eight Transformers movies from this very thin IP and you wanted to make a lot of money put a cube in there for me would ya it is weird man and once I began looking into Saturn it is very

32:28 Interesting. It's really cool because I was a huge fan of Greek mythology growing up so that always caught my attention and Saturn has that to him He has so many nicknames throughout time, I mean he's even related to Kronos the God of Time One of his nicknames is the harvester of all things and The way they talk about his power is just it's like a glacier It is slow and relentless like you cannot stop Saturn no matter how hard you try All the other gods in the cosmos were terrified of Saturn. And a lot of, well at least in this research that I was able to do here it said that The Cube is a representation of where Saturn is imprisoned That's the thought behind and if you decide to take the path of Saturn which just sounds...I don't know not that I would do this but sounds fucking cool You declare war against all the other oppressive powers that have held Saturn down and imprisoned him

33:34 So by taking his path, you now join his fight against the oppressive powers. And it has that movie script to it, and it has that underlying purpose for some people, right? Lot of people think are only that's their main thing is worshipping lucifer as a liberator as the light bringer you know he brings us the technology. And no god smites him for that and it's like well fuck god i want to technology now i want the power, And that's apparently why our elite are very much on the Luciferian side. So I wanted to throw this out, so the guy who wrote this book Dr Arthur Moros he died in 2017 his publisher says it was a mysterious death there's not a lot of other information about that on the third edition of the book On The Cover is a man in a loincloth eating a baby biting the baby's stomach and the baby's like screaming out Is that one you guys have?

34:35 Yeah, it's the silver book with the black inlay. It's rather disturbing when you look at it. So did you get into the content? Have you looked at what the rituals... I mean does he tell you how to make your own deals and contact with Saturn in the book? Yeah, it does. He goes into detail about it there's one in particular that caught my attention. It sounds cool. It's called The Rite of Chains which just sounds like a metal song which Steve and I are into heavy metal so but Supposedly it is a ritual that will bind your soul to Saturn for eternity forever It's a long time. It is very long time Is there anything really super dark in there? Does it say you need to sacrifice kids or use your own blood I mean your own blood, that's your own blood You can use your own blood

35:24 I think it does say things in there about using your own blood and animals and stuff like that because the way Arthur describes a lot of it is that what's very curious is Steve and I have stumbled across occultists before. We don't talk about them all the time, but the ones that really interest me are the ones that tell you to choose your own path They don't influence you to come to their side. They say do what's best for you, and I find that very interesting in that world because you would think someone let's pretend for 100% certainty Arthur worked with Saturn acquired wealth and everything his heart could desire essentially but he still telling you as the individual You figure out who? You need to work with I just find that very interesting

36:16 Right, and there's a little bit in the story about fate. Saturn basically says you'll be changing your fate and going down this other path with me rather than the path fate had laid out for you. And I always find that shaky. I do think we come here to do something that we wanted to do and we have to rediscover it through the process of our lives and then do that thing But fate is just always so weird. Just this is a shaky example, but I got a vasectomy not long ago. I got two kids don't want to do it again So I did the snip and my buddy's like well Why don't you just let fate decide? You know if God wanted you to have more kids Maybe you'd have more kids and I was just like well if God wanted me to have more kids

37:01 he would have screwed up my vasectomy appointment. I would've gotten a car accident or gotten a flat tire and then would have had a hard time getting to the appointment, it would've just gone to the back of my mind and not happened." Fate should encompass all actions and activities. It doesn't mean that just because I made a conscious intentional choice that I'm violating the fate God left out for me so it's a little silly maybe that guy's fate was always to write this book Because you would think that fate would be the highest view of a person's life trajectory. Can we get off the path? I'm sure we can some of us never get on the path because we never really do that process of self-discovery, cause were so distracted by the razzle dazzle of American culture. The way you could counter that... Cause it should! Fate should encompass every move that your capable making because its fate It is inevitable to varying degrees but who is to say these

37:59 More powerful, smarter entities are not just simply manipulating you. Just saying hey Greg listen man fate's got you going this direction that sucks how about I mean me? I can counteract fate that's what i do that's my thing and from this guy's perspective he is having this communion with Saturn who says look God, Fate it puts you in constant pain What kind of life is that? Is God this thing you want to obey the rules of or maybe we should do our own little dance?" And from his perspective, I can't fault the guy. No and that's the apple right? That's the apple. You know here's your apple eat it and everything is good man The other thing that I found interesting in the book is the idea that even the celestial gods they all have to contend with the spiritual realm

39:00 There are things in the spiritual realm that will contest them and that they also have to deal with new religions and new ways of thinking in societies, which kind of goes what me and Steve have always thought and said. That everybody who believes in God gives God power because Saturn wants his story now to be told almost in comparison to the Bible right? I need my story to get out there anymore people believe in me any more people to partake in Does us putting our intent, our beliefs everything into one entity does that make them more powerful in the end? I definitely think so. And you know being good Midwestern boys we know that when we say God we generally mean the Christian god and That is a thing i've always struggled with like well what is the christian god i mean god isn't a name it's a title It's a type of being and history is full of gods

40:01 Do I want to be involved with a church that is siphoning energy for a god that basically has the head of the church living in a gold palace wearing Prada slippers, and a separate zip code away from all laws and also harboring all these pedos? you know, I start to look at the crimes of the church and the history of the church and all the knowledge they keep hidden away from humanity in the Vatican archives. This doesn't sound like a good God if this is what the fruits of all that energy gets you! This isn't like vow of poverty or salt of the earth giving back. They've got enough money to at least

40:46 cure homelessness and poverty in an entire nation if not the world i don't know but even just the knowledge harboring like that is, add a humanities birthright all that knowledge and you know you can go back to the fundamental religious story about the fruit of knowledge and like knowledge is the big thing. So, I'm not a fan of that. But you're just taking the word of a guy in a robe saying no this is the one true God, not only that but he's the good guy, he's the supreme good guy. Sorry about the pedo stuff and the harboring and and the greed, and all that stuff. He's still the good guy." And it's just like that's taken for granted. We're born in the system. People just make it part of their normal lives and just have this lifelong assumption that they're giving their energy to a good noble entity, the one true entity, and you have no fucking idea that that's true. Massive assumption. Absolutely. I'm glad you mentioned that about say The Vatican and stuff because in this book

41:47 Now mind you it could be timing, but I did find it interesting that Arthur describes what the revolt of Saturn will look like. He makes it sound like an inevitable this will happen right? So he says a kingdom of Saturn will look like a powerful state where cameras are in every room watchers on every street people will gladly surrender their civil liberties and dignity in exchange for safety and security. And I'm like, well if that isn't relevant...I don't know what is! Yeah exactly we're living in it and also you know going back to the cross symbol being just an unfolded cube it's like there's a hint that maybe before people judge Dr Moroes for his connection to Saturn think about what you're doing on Sunday If you dig in you really start digging into

42:42 Saturnian history and Christmas is just an evolution of Saturnalia, which was a pagan ritual at the end of the year where they give gifts. And even so far as like writing each other little like verses and passing them to your family members and your friends like Christmas cards and shit Like it's just evolution of the same thing So how far does the cult really go? Right. And the greatest trick that ever pulled is convincing the world he doesn't exist, the bad guys don't write it on their T-shirt and say they're the bad guys you know it's all masked so if you aren't being very critical of a lot of the stuff you're looking at and the fruits of what an organization really is about then I wouldn't go there just because grandma would write you off

43:36 I'm glad you say that because Steve and I are highly suspect of a lot of these encounters across, I mean across all different things with aliens making contact with people. And they're like oh we're good ya know? We're out here working for the light and your kinda like what are you though? The way we kind of do things is interesting in our show so One week Kyle will bring a subject in, the next week I'll bring a subject in. Particularly with this like when Kyle started diving into the cube The thing that stood out to me was the fact that Arthur didn't reach out to Saturn He had no intent he was sending no intent particularly to Saturn. Saturn just heard him and

44:19 showed up. That kind of resonated in my brain like us as humans, we're constantly searching for something higher were constantly searching for something to look out for us were constantly praying or constantly sending up all of our qualms and all of our victories just thinking and looking for answers and We just take it for granted that our intent is making it to who we want it to make it to, right? When in theory there might be millions of gods up there listening. To just pick out like hey there's a whole race of people whole planet out there that's looking for somebody to watch out for them this is a very particular set of circumstances where I can manipulate an entire race you know yeah yeah It's a terrifying thought and that really got my wheels turning like

45:12 Holy shit. Yeah, indeed and I actually have talked to some people who are well familiar with the occult they make it a part of their lives and also at least one psychologist that comes to mind who does basically healing sessions based on entity attachments like he's like hey i've discovered that a lot of our ailments are related to entity attachments and related to deals we make even stupid little stuff. Like maybe you guys did this when I was a kid, I'd be shooting basketball in the driveway. I'll be like okay if i make this shot Christina's gonna like me she's gonna like me so I need to know if this girl likes me and someone to see if I can make this shot

45:54 These people would say that there are entities in the ether that say, I gotcha. And the entity will help put the ball in the basket and then there will be something attached that's like well, I'm gonna help make this girl like him and it's because of the basketball shot... From a kid's perspective, it's just a stupid thing! You're just trying to fortune tell and have a little bit more fun but from the spiritual side, that's a real deal. Soulbinding contracts with a basketball shot? Yes. That's a small, stupid example but we do these things when we're young and there are people out there who say no that's real and the fact that you didn't acknowledge that entity might be why you got pneumonia that winter. That's fucked It is! So don't make those deals guys. Yep, that's even a thing with Saturn if you don't come prepared to give him acknowledgement And as one thing Arthur stressed There's tons of warnings in that book

46:51 But Arthur stresses you must give these entities their respect. They want their respect, plain and simple. If you don't? Especially with ones as powerful as Saturn? They'll fuck you up! They'll make your life suck." JUSTIN I wish somebody would've told me that thirty years ago when I was out shooting baskets… LIAM No doubt. ZAC If ya wanna know if she likes ya just ask guys. Just ask. ALICE Cut out the middle entities. Sticking with the Saturn theme, you also did an episode on CERN portals and some of the lore and details that make you scratch your head. I think most listeners here know about the weird Shiva statue in the ritualistic dance number video they released. Most of us have seen the Goddard Tunnel ceremony which is also in that same region

47:36 But some of my favorite stuff about NASA is just tracking all the names and the anagrams to deities, unexpected mythological figures that suggest something more than just science is going on there. CERN has this kind of stuff all over it, I know less about that. Even the name CERN... This is interesting so I got from this episode Werner Carl Heisenberg Considered the founder of quantum mechanics, he helped the Nazis in their race for the nuclear weapon. Maybe he held it up? Maybe he was a double agent and that's some of the speculation to write him in as a good guy like, oh, he didn't really help the Nazis. He was pretending to help the Nazis and you know, Nazis and science they go together quite well

48:24 But CERN got this name, this anagram from the name of the facility and then they changed the name. But this Warner Carl Heisenberg was like do not change the anagram so that's really weird you know if NASA changed its name and it was no longer N-A-S-A and they kept N-A-S-A, it would be strange. So he basically is like forcing this to be the name even though there's a long form name change and CERN has a connection to an entity doesn't it fellas? It does! There are so many things around CERN that should at least warrant concern

49:08 Because, like you were saying all these anagrams. They literally call some of this stuff Satan! The Solar Axion Telescopic Antenna which gets changed to Delphi... Another loaded term. It is the sanctuary of the god Apollo. Hades High Acceptance Dielectron Spectrometer. Yeah, who's naming these? Who's trying to make that work?! Why are scientists naming them all these old gods and and have reference to some of the most powerful gods of time, why is that a thing? Right. And along these lines the Vatican Astronomer Center used to have a telescope that the anagram was Lucifer! Think how far you'd have to go to squeeze THAT in! Like, you couldn't just call it a pretty big telescope like, you really went out of your way- but the entity CERN or

50:03 Basically, Sir Nuno's is what it's connected to an ancient Celtic and Galeo Roman. So near nose is the horned one a God depicted with antlers seated cross legged associated with stags horns serpents dogs and bulls pretty close to the Baphomet archetype, you could say. And you go on to note that he is a god of the underworld, a destroyer god that matches the Shiva archetypes so it really is just like these scientists seem to be going in there and being like what entities are the destroyers of worlds that bring in new worlds? Shiva, Sunurnos... let's just stack it up as many as we can find. Hades yeah give me Hades bring him in

50:49 And that's crazy. It's like really weird to have that kind of obsession and the reason I bring up Saturn is because you note some work by friend of the show, Nick Hinton who wrote a piece on the idea that what they're really trying to do at CERN is connect to Saturn through a wormhole from a time, I guess at time maybe wormholes can go beyond time itself but they're trying to reorganize our cosmic system to back when Saturn was the Sun in the polar configuration and the ancient past talked about by the Electric Universe people. So he thinks that's what it's all about, and that might be what the Saturn worship was all about if that really was a golden age where we're in the plasma envelope of Saturn like these Electric Universe people say, and we've been in a fallen state ever since

51:49 I mean, the elite... Anyone who's human would have an incentive to be like if we can get back to that let's get back to it. And maybe that's where it all comes from but I also thought it was interesting you note that the internet essentially comes from CERN and every website starts with www dot and w has the numerological value of six in Chaldean numerology so every website starts with 666 Just weird, it's like why are you trying to LARP as the darkest darkness possible? Aren't you scientists?" Yeah and like we're around Shiva which everybody has heard about the sacrifice and all that stuff. But why... no offense but scientists aren't generally known as comedians because they're just like oh this is just a mock thing this is for comedic value or this is just- We're just out here having fun I literally don't know anyone

52:47 that partakes in mock human sacrifices for fun. No, never met one in my life." You either believe it has value or you just don't do it. It's a lot of effort. It's more effort than people realize to get the astrological timing right and to get all your boys together to get the robes on like...it's actually a serious effort so to say that you just did all that for show for something you don't believe and you just wouldn't dedicate time and energy to Right. I absolutely agree and like you were saying which, I don't know if i put it together at the time or not but you talk about Saronos and Shiva and their destroyers and they have a hand in rebirth as well...I mean one of the theories that's out there is that CERN in 2012 jumped us into a new timeline. Oh yeah!

53:37 That perfectly fits the mold with Saronos and Shiva of the destruction slash rebirth process. Even sliding us into a new timeline could be considered rebirth to a degree Yeah, I just always thought it would be a little more obvious if that happened. Right? Slide us back cause this one sucks! I don't know does it?! I feel-I'm feeling okay Well thats good It could be better Lets slide into a more positive one maybe But its just funny because when you think about all the super negative stuff You know about really comes from screens Like you have to have a news guy at desk telling you about it but

54:14 morning to night, my daily lived experience is pretty okay. In regards to all the whether it's Saturn or Satan or whatever... It just cannot I've always believed in just about everything but there are certain subjects that make it hard for my brain to wrap around one of them being that the entirety of the world is encompassed by satanists That one for a long time I'm kind of like, seems a little extreme. But then you start digging around and you start seeing these connections like www that having a translation to 666 those little subtleties across the board one thing could be a coincidence but as they start to stack across the board You really have to start asking yourself are we living in a world where there are a lot of people worshiping bad things whether trying to manifest or whatever they're doing

55:09 Is there truth behind some of this? idea that the gods are real and their timeless and they have influence in our reality and not influences through the minds of men like where do i ideas come from someone made a concoction, that's an energy drink that is full of aspartame. Call of caffeine for poisons essentially and then they thought what will we name this thing

55:55 And somebody had the idea to name it Monster, aka Beast. And then someone else had the idea to draw the logo as 666. Was this conscious? I don't know but was there a entity just outside of the visible spectrum rubbing its hands together getting getting hard as hell being like, oh buddy this is gonna be a good one. Eat me drink me yeah you got liquid death i mean why is everything that's successful in a commercial sense for the most part so dark? I think that has to do with that relationship it has to do conscious or unconscious with this

56:34 You know, even water. It's like when you get deep down the water rabbit hole and how structured water works and how life-giving it can be your giving dead water in an aluminum can shielded from all light to people and calling it a health drink or calling it an alternative to other things then it's like well that's like the worst type of water to give so calling it liquid death makes sense It is weird it's all very dark the most successful stuff has a little bit of a dark edge to it and i think its like this relationship that gets made. Very intentional if nothing else, like all the satellites in all these space programs everything they name me i can't say the name anything but there is a consistent theme

57:17 That is very dark. Well, look at the Walt Disney signature if you've ever seen people highlight the 666 there it's like why isn't that an 888? Why isn't it a 222? You know, it happens to just be on the nose and then there's this image of this old cup, this Mickey Mouse cup where Mickey is written in the same font And when you look at the reflection of Mickey If you had a beverage in that cup It says wicked And then there's all kinds of, you know, every Disney movie has like some dark magic involved in it. But it's all kind of under the guise of like this big happy imagination station fucking big princesses and castles thing. Is there a darkness to Disney? I don't know certainly successful so when you look at the most successful media company ever and you see that association is just like, There it is again

58:09 Steve was that a Disney movie where you found crazy legs? Yeah, that's what I thought it wasn't even hidden There's a whole story behind certain go at it entity that keeps popping up in our lives. And there is a Disney series where he is specifically drawn in the background on a poster board just in the series like, It's nothing hidden you don't have to look at reflection. It is a poetic demon drawn and pop in the back of this Disney series. Wow what serious? The Owl House. Hmm, I haven't even heard of that one! What was his name again? We call him Crazy Legs. Yeah it's the Demon Boer. B-U-E-R. I just looked up boer to see what it looks like... oh okay people might have seen something like this before with the legs all around a central... looks like a lion's mane, a bean with a lion's mane and then a circle of thighs you know legs and thighs of animals around

59:11 It's just in the background of this kid's series. Huh? And this is popping up in your lives more so his than mine, but I think it's because we went two different routes whenever weird stuff started happening. So we just chose different paths. He pops up more and Steve's life than mine. Tell us about a prominent pop-up that has happened. Steve. It happened just today actually interestingly enough that we talk about it He just kind of shows up in media like it's weird right because he's not like a prominent Demon whenever you think of go at it entities You'd think of like Lucifer Belial or any any those like big boys I guess but this one just shows up everywhere. I was someone had posted a YouTube video in our discord that someone had made So I was just watching him before we got on Just passing the time and

1:00:07 The person that made this video was talking about going to a Phish concert and as they're editing it, they just happen to pop Crazy Legs little photo popped up and this happens fairly consistently in my life since all this crazy shit started happening I don't know It's wild. We can talk about it if you want to, it wasn't on the docket but we can dive into that if everybody wants to talk about demons and shit. Well I'm sure Boer appreciates you using the air time to promote his message. Wild! And who knows? These things...I mean there is that phenomenon of what you pay attention too, you start seeing more often but these entities are real and they have some

1:00:54 control over or influence of the material world. They can manifest things, you know? Look at all the corporate logos like why are these companies so popular? I mean CERN even their logo is a 666. You look at the stuff and you can see all the Google logos broken down and you can see that even the Gmail is basically a Masonic apron. It's like why? Why? Isn't it the Google play button, the sigil of Lucifer That one I'm not sure about. Look into them the more they look back at you is the crazy thing it's almost like the intent to any god essentially. Like the more power you put into him, the more that they just start showing up and you are right about the google play button because i'm looking at the comparison right now i mean if there is a straight there and then you got theirs one company makes adreno and then google makes chrome browser and it's like again what the hells going on and getting to the merging of

1:02:13 The occult with science it's like these people at the forefront of their fields are often. occultists in some weird way. We usually talk about it in rocketry and that stuff, but we started with the lead mask thing electrical engineers and then you get into the Silicon Valley folks and it's definitely there if you look at comparisons of grimoire sigils and circuit boards, it's like wow is that really? The only way the best way to make a computer It's very close to some ancient dark shit Like I said, I don't know if we're going to solve any of these problems today.

1:02:48 Man, we really covered the gamut. We talked about everything but egress industries. I always do a little wrap up. I'll give people some of the bullet points about it. I don't want to keep you guys too long. I know everybody's got kids, but it is kind of one of the stories you guys are known for and you've talked about it on tinfoil hat and on Tony Merkel's confessionals those are hour-long interviews where you can go real deep into it. It's a strange experience. You called some phone number on a dream flyer and it turns out to be something that seems to know too much about you, and it was a random burner phone so it shouldn't have happened? What the hell is Egress Industries? You can find Reddit threads where people are trying to go down the rabbit hole and find more information I guess man

1:03:34 Obviously, that's just such a rabbit hole. I don't want to really open this can of worms when i'm trying to let you guys go but the number one thing I see from people is like Is there an update? Did you ever solve the mystery? Is there any added layers to the mystery for someone who might have heard those earlier interviews? Essentially no it kind of disappeared the same way that it came in It kind of paramounted I guess we didn't really talk about this that much. There was another show that was also kind of interacting with whatever was behind Egress Industries, right? That was Bob Hicks' show. Can't remember the name of it but Bob Hicks was the fella. That being said, Bob is asked not to be connected to egress anymore. We kind of dance around. I know he did an interview with him which is on the internet and it'll stay on the internet but

1:04:27 That being said, it got to a point to where whatever was behind this kind of wanted us. I don't even know if Bob knows this but kinda wanted us to go at odds with Bob so they were pushing this narrative that Bob was this charlatan yeah making up his own stuff and pushing this whole thing and he got to the point where it was essentially loyalty test to them we want you to put out like hit piece on Bob more like there ain't no way like this is fucking stupid So after I told them, no that's not going to happen. They immediately pulled back just done anytime I would try to interact with them they would just verbatim put the same responses every time Just shut down after that like it was almost like a test essentially Like if you go through the egress whole backlog They constantly talk about a selection process They're gonna select certain people to progress

1:05:23 and essentially join whatever the fuck Egress was. But after we said, that's not who we are, that's not what we're trying to do they didn't want any part of us and eventually it just kind of faded away the number disappeared you call it in it just a regular like Google Voice number now there's nothing left And... It bothered me for a long time because I like Things to be wrapped up. I know i'm like constantly delving into mysteries that have no real solution but when I was involved in that, I really wanted an answer somewhere and it just never came forth but it ran a weird gamut there for quite awhile

1:06:04 It was fucking nuts. Very interesting, well I had to at least ask if there was an update i'll spend my wrap-up time giving people the backstory and the bullet points and of course they can check out those other interviews and just googling egress industries and hollow sky they will find plenty But it has been a lot of fun talking to you guys. No shortage of great episodes and strange stories in your catalog do remind people where and how to get the podcast or tune into the live show? Yeah, anywhere you listen to podcasts just search up HoloSky that's H-O-L-O S-K-Y look us up You'll find us there we also have YouTube channel We do a live call in show every other Wednesday

1:06:52 And if you got weird stories, come hang out. Call in check us out. I like it. Yeah. It's always just kind of hard to promote a podcast. It's like here's the name of it get it where you get podcasts. Avoid the cliche with authors like where to get the book. I never try trying to never say that just I don't know a fucking bookstore Amazon People want the book they'll get the book we just talked about it But anyway, awesome good to talk to some people that have the same spirit of the Midwest And I'm sure this audience is gonna love this and they'll tune into your show and maybe we can do it again sometime but until then take care fellas Thanks you too buddy Absolutely has been a pleasure Thank You

1:07:34 And boom goes the dynamite back to the random, weird fun Fortian stuff we know and love so much with the Hollow Sky guys. Man The Cult of the Black Cube book story is quite a lot I love that one and they've done some good work looking at CERN symbolism a bit deeper than others all those highly suspect anagrams I actually recorded this one with Kyle and Steve before the election, but when it popped off like it did. I wanted to make sure that it was covered and I'm sure we'll have plenty of guests weighing in along the way But I think Ryan and Gordon did a good job breaking down what matters And I'd rather not obsess over it So here we are with something totally unexpected and non-political

1:08:26 I can't even remember how this unfolded. I know Tony Merkel brought them up in our interview together and then, I think we just started following each other and some random interaction ended up with me saying hey i should have you guys run through some random stories And I'm glad we did because we covered some really good ones In the first hour and then the plus show We got into stuff like Dapplegray Lane's Space Brain Case, the Sai Kung Barrier and Hong Kong's Missing 411 Antarctica and The Ancient Weapon The Ark of Gabriel. The 20 and Back Program

1:09:03 Cemetery X and their own personal paranormal experiences and several other little anecdotes. Tons of wild stuff! I do love me these random, bizarre encounter and strange mystery filled shows...I should probably bring them back every so often if they'd have me Tony Merkel too for that matter But when you digest a ton of Fortean stuff, or a range of abduction stories... ...you can tell instantly when you have an outlier and those become the most interesting. You guys know how it goes! Become a Plus Member and get the full two-hour show rather than just the free first hour We always go deeper and get weirder as that is just the nature of conversation

1:09:45 Now we got that custom RSS link for Plus Members, that comes in a welcome email when you sign up so you never even have to use your username and password. You just plug that link right into any app you want to use although I do put a lot of weight behind the episode ratings and i've been a bit more active on the forum lately. I kind of let the forum go by the wayside...I almost never mention it But I am going to start paying more attention to the guest request thread in particular. So let me know who you'd like to see on THC in 2025, I want guest suggestions to come from PLUS members they're obviously vested in the show and free listeners don't even have full context as to what's been talked about because they only hear half! It's not a strict rule, I get suggestions from many different places but I'm gonna start considering that guest request forum more often

1:10:36 Maybe even one show a month should be coming from those suggestions. We'll see how it goes and I should slide this in here somewhere as well like the higher side chest does not really have holiday parties because i don't really have a staff of sorts but, I am taking the boys out the guys who did the tokenized RSS and kind of maintain the whole website Well, I saw Sam Tripoli was coming to town and i offered to take them so we'll be there. He's going to be doing shows all weekend so if you want to see me as well, I'm gonna be there at the Friday show at 7 30 at SideSplitters in Tampa

1:11:19 So you can see some good comedy with Sam, smoke a joint with me in the parking lot and give a tip of the hat to the two guys who have really pimped out my infrastructure way better than I could have. And I've definitely saved my ass a few times as well. So call it a little mini meetup and I know it's short notice but again that is December 6 next weekend Sam Tripoli Friday night show 730 You want to sit near me? I'm in row 30 How about that Let's have a good time, because I don't get out too much anymore. Also if you want to see video clips of the highlights from this episode and others that is basically all my YouTube Twitter and Instagram accounts have become. I hired a company to make and post the clips so you can get a sense for what THC in video would be

1:12:10 See my goofy reactions to Thanes, watch my cat walk across my keyboard multiple times a show. And you can get reminders as to what some of the best parts were and share them with people who might actually like what we do around here but I don't personally make or post the clips so just keep that in mind These clip makers are great at what they do They take a big thane off my plate But they don't know the subject matter like we do, so just go easy on them. They're trying! But I said that I would tell the egress industry story in the wrap-up and I should It's definitely a wild one but they've told this story on several other podcasts and when they have such a good robust catalog of weird, I wanted to do something different during the show but i will say if you want to hear them talk about it themselves check out their confessionals interview or their tinfoil hat episode

1:13:06 But see, what had happened was Steve was doing some research on Reddit for one of their upcoming shows and stumbled across a dream flyer or multiple dream fliers that asked particular questions asking people to call in and report their odd dreams. These flyers advertised a phone number for Egress Industries. Steve thought it might be a provocative idea for the show and bought a burner phone to call the number Now I might get some small details wrong, but a few voicemails came back that were odd and semi-robotic enough to give them the creeps. And then they linked up with this guy Bob Hicks who hosts his own show called Tales from the Dark

1:13:51 And when they started talking to him, apparently Egress Industries immediately knew about it and began texting their phones and the phones of some of their acquaintances. Numbers that they should not have had access too because this started with a burner phone I think an example would be when Egress texted Bob tell Hollow Sky hello Egress even started to text Kyle's co-worker and may have possibly made an in person visit to his wife. So they told this story, talked about it on two different podcast episodes and the internet sleuths started investigating it. The Brohio Podcast did an interview

1:14:34 in 2020 with Bob from the Tales From The Dark podcast where he links the survey to payphones which he thinks are phones used for the sex trade in the I-75 Sex Trade Corridor apparently. And when I look at the comments on posts about this story, the most common wet blanket conclusion is that this was a hoax put on by Bob Hicks Because when you're first taking a cursory look at this story, you might be able to make an argument that Bob was playing both sides. I'm sure Kyle and Steve would have a response to that theory because they know how much information he had about them and at what specific times but there was even a post by Kyle or Steve on the ARG subreddit asking if anyone had heard of this as an ARG

1:15:25 And I'll just read his post. They say, look he knew his name where he worked and gave GPS coordinates as to where he was they also responded with Alistair Crowley quotes and all sorts of weird shit so we interviewed said YouTuber which i'm thinking is Bob Hicks and while we were doing the interview Egress started texting him they knew the name of our podcast my first name gave us some random coordinates to Somerset Kentucky a paranormal 40 in hotspot And then they called with a voice recording that stated our podcast name, a string of numbers and another cruelly quote. It screams ARG to me but I need help with the string of numbers. I'll set up a discord if anyone is interested in helping out as again i'm not sure if this is actually an ARG or someone just fucking with us

1:16:16 And apparently anytime they would text the number or call I guess, they would get a response at midnight on the hour of the next day. Certainly weird! The reddit post there suggests that the Hollow Sky guys had a genuine interest in figuring it out...I don't think it was their operation but it seems like there's really only a couple solutions here It was either a Bob Hicks hoax which would mean that a guy who had a fledgling paranormal podcast would put out these flyers as bait and hope that something interesting happens

1:16:53 Eventually getting a bite from some guys who actually have an audience of their own which just in and of itself seems highly unlikely, and then you add to it. It seems like whoever's on the egress side of things was still able to have information that your standard old hoaxer wouldn't really be able to come up with So when you put that aside I can only come up with a couple other thoughts. It could have been an ARG type of thing to draw in players or something like Cicada 3301, a shady corporation putting out feelers for strange dreams looking for people who fit certain profiles?

1:17:32 Who knows, but there really is no resolution to that story. It's just kind of what went down If you hear anything more about Egress Industries let me know again with those interviews that they've done in the past You can hear the actual messages they got and they are quite weird But that said let's look at the last episode and do the ratings thing David Wetschler Electro culture I'm glad we could do a more focused episode on that. The one with Matt Roschke kind of went off the rails into all kinds of different areas, great episode but not exactly electroculture focused. I thought it was worth revisiting and the audience pretty much agrees 4.8! Love it. The number of ratings is low which I think happens with topics like this that maybe are less exciting overall but

1:18:24 is great. And as you know, it's time to look at the meetup calendar higher side meetups.com if you hear about an event near you, you might as well go and meet some new local friends that are THC fans as well or you can always put your own event on the calendar plant your flag in the ground and the people will come on deck we have Humboldt California November 30th that is today all right Dead Reckoning Tavern, December 9th Eden Terrace Auckland New Zealand Gale Braths Ale House December 21st Denver Colorado at Bar None and January 11th Ola Brew in Hawaii. Hilo Hawaii okay the big island as they say never been I don't think i'll be able to make it by January 11 but if you were there grab a drink and talk THC

1:19:21 But that is what's on deck. The holidays get busy, I don't expect much but if you want to meet other people great way to do it if you're going home for the holidays and have an extra day and don't know what to do with it post a Meetup! You might be surprised. That was pretty much the show. I hope we all navigated the Thanksgiving holiday alright. We should be well seasoned at being odd ones out with strange opinions and knowing how not ruin the day Again, check out Hollow Sky if you want to go deeper on a lot of really weird stories in their archive. I'm getting out of here! I've done my part Your move lead helmet wearing dead guys CERN portal openers and Saturnian deal makers your fucking moves

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