Tony Merkel | The Confessionals: Cryptids, Portals, & The Paranormal

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01:36 It's the end of the world as we know it, but I feel fine. From sunny San Diego, I'm Greg Carlwood and as mundane as the world can seem between The Daily Grind and The Nightly News there are many people out there with stories of encounters sightings and experiences that defy logic From cryptids like Dogman, winged humanoids Bigfoot and lake monsters to strange creatures and crafts scary visitations at night an even experimental entheogenic or magical experiences that end up blowing the doors right off this reality. And despite the dismissive argument that these are all attention seekers making up tales of fantasy or exaggerating cases of misidentification These are not actually the stories people put in their Tinder profiles Or use to make friends on their first day on the job

02:19 The real deal is that the ridicule factor keeps many of these tales from being told until the conditions are just right, if they ever are. Well, today's guest knows this all too well as he is the great Tony Merkel of The Confessionals podcasting number one paranormal safe space where he gives regular folks the airtime to talk about these life changing events that they often haven't really told anyone. Maybe it's stuff they've held on to since childhood or things they saw on their stint in the military or on that hunting trip that got them a little too far off the beaten path Tony has also just stepped out from behind the mic and actually has gone out into the field to follow up on a particular tale of a violent dogman encounter in his new documentary, Expedition Dogman.

03:01 You can find it all at theconfessionalspodcast.com or his ever-expanding digital media company, Merkle.media and this is going to be a wild ride from truck driver to paranormal podcaster and coyote urine clad dogman documentarian the captain of The SS Confessionals and Merkel Media Mogul Tony Merkel welcome to The Higher Side! Wow Wow, I haven't had an introduction like that ever. I love it! It's all part of the job just the old nine to five but this is gonna be a lot of fun really happy to have you here The geopolitics and conspiracy stuff has gotten pretty heavy lately And it's nice to drift back into the paranormal with you I think The Confessionals is a really great theme for a podcast my

03:47 car has this big crazy higher side chats wrap on it. And ever since I did that, I do get people stopping me in grocery store parking lots to talk about what their grandpa's brother saw 40 years ago or if i'm asked what I do they often come back with some sort of story through the family grapevine one time I was parked at the beach with some buddies and a guy ran back to his houseboat to get his phone to come back and show us some balls of light he captured over the ocean one night That's why I like your show so much. I'm in kind of a unique position, but i put myself in this position to get these kind of confirmations that so many people have seen something or they know a trusted family member who saw something and it's not as rare as it might seem. So to put these stories out there on a podcast is pretty awesome man!

04:35 I appreciate it, man. That's the whole goal. We live in a very bizarre world to put it simply and I think our existence is much more complicated than we We've been told and taught traditionally, and you learn that I think the best through not scholars or scientific research papers written and stuff like that but actually people who experience really unexplainable things in their personal life. And they just like you said they just don't talk about it because who are you going to talk to about this? Like most people...I don't care how old you are-you don't want to be laughed at work I went through that as a truck driver just saying, hey, I'm going to start a paranormal podcast. And they're like, Hey, what are you gonna talk about? Bigfoot and ghosts and aliens and abductions and things like that. And they're just like...I was the butt of all jokes for a long time until I was successful at it. But it's that kind of environment people fear everybody fears that kind of stuff especially if you don't need to come forward and share the experience is not a necessity. So when you present a platform for everyday normal people to come forward and share their experiences

05:38 It's a unique thing and it took some time for I think people to find the show, listen to the show trust the host because that's a big thing. Trust but over the years i've seen more and more people say i'm ready to talk now i've listened to your show for six months a year two years and i'm ready to talk to you because i know you're not going to judge me And that's the thing, I don't pretend to know everything. I don't think I know a ton actually, to be honest with you. I have my root foundational beliefs that I kind of live my life by but iIdon't think that that's set in stone and I just don't pretend to know it all so when somebody comes and says something me that's like off-the-wall they're like, You're never going to believe this." I'm like well actually just try me because I've heard a lot!

06:21 Yeah it is so wild like these little things come up like a guy used to work with that game stop. His brother was a pilot and i asked him if he'd ever seen anything weird he's like yes absolutely is that i even venture to say that you can't be a pilot without having seen something up there but nobody's gonna say anything because you go right to a psych evaluation and it's just your job manager paycheck nobody wants to be on the radar with their boss or their bosses boss so, you see something weird don't say anything about it and you just put her on the back burner. And I even fell into the trap that a lot of people fall into when they do podcasts or host a paranormal radio show. I started this show saying that i've never really seen anything and that wasn't really true, I did see something when I was like in kindergarten and it was just so brief

07:13 that even i kind of put in the background it was like well yeah that happened but its not as epic as these other stories you know im interviewing people who had lifetimes of weird stuff and i would say on the air all the time man, I wish i saw something like that. And its easy to forget you did see something like that and what i saw wasn't a bigfoot it was probably closest too a dogman i say skinwalker sometimes because its this weird animal human-like thing but It's why cryptids have always been in the THC soup. Some people really love those shows, some people are like I'd rather you talk about serious matters and it's like well this is part of my DNA because i'm just connected to this world that I know things are out there so like I'm not put off by hearing really weird stories and I think these things shape-shift and they're kind of multi-dimensional and we'll get into all that but man

08:08 Man, for the uninitiated can you give people a little bit of an overview of the range of things that these eyewitnesses talk about? I've heard about imps piling out of closets. After effects of messing with Ouija boards. Cryptids of course stories of people who seem to grow up in houses that are portal places it gets pretty weird talk to us about what's the confessionals overview anything outside of what you've been told is normal. I'm a sucker for good story, you know? And so... I say I have a paranormal show and I don't know how other people define that but for me it's just anything outside the normal. So i include the cryptids, Bigfoot dogman but we talk about ghouls and ghosts haunted houses alien abductions and detailed stories from that kind of stuff down to like even side stories that aren't really like you never heard of before.

09:02 an episode, it was a while ago. It was a guy I believe he was in Oregon and he talked about coming across this property out in the middle of nowhere one day and inside this house the furniture was on the ceiling of the house. And so him and his buddies go back to look at it one night long story short they wind up getting chased out of there they thought by somebody in a car which was very bizarre because it seemed like the car just disappeared but He said there was two upright running deer next to their car, escorting them out. He said it was the most bizarre weird thing he's like who's ever talked about up right walking deers let alone running after you so like there's that kind of stuff but even down to hauntings of churches that has been something that's been popping up throughout the existence of this show and

09:51 at first glance you're like, really? A church haunted?! But then you start thinking about the spirit—like a Christian Church. At least I come from this Christian background think about the Christian side of the theological aspect where it's like well yeah i mean you would think that if there's a bunch of Christians gathering to worship their God you would think that there would be some kind of spiritual warfare going on there something like that in the background and I remember this one guy talked about how he had these different experiences in his church and then one Sunday he went into the bathroom —I guess was like two stalls And there was a young boy in the stall next to him, like a teenage kid but he was mentally handicapped. You would think he was talking to himself only it wasn't his voice and then you hear him saying no-no-no and then this voice speaking to him... It's like he is having a conversation here but there is only one pair of shoes underneath the stall! Then this guy said that he started praying

10:42 in his head, not even out loud like rebuking the name of Jesus. And the deep demonic sounding voice was just like responded to his prayer saying no! and it's just like bone chilling for him and people are like what the heck? But I mean we talk about everything underground reptilians We had a show on where we talked about the underground reptilians I mean, I literally will talk about anything Like anything if its off the beaten path because I just love it Fair you know i was actually gonna bring up the underground reptilians how could i not it is a very important spot on the higher side chats bingo card and that is episode three twenty five and you say on this episode we speak with brian who describes growing up near place in michigan where reptilians lived underground with other creatures

11:27 Brian and I first connected when he left a comment on theconfessionalspodcast.com about his experiences helping to deprogram satanic ritually abused people, i was interested in bringing him on the show to pick his brain about the process of deprogramming and SRA cases But as we communicated, he asked me if I would also like to hear about his reptilian stories. Of course! As children Brian and his brother would play with other kids around an area called Witch's Hollow One day Brian's brother stumbled upon a hole in the ground that had a dismembered head in the entrance After contemplating what he saw, his brother decided to return to the location to get another look

12:05 And when he did, he was met by a reptilian who was manning the entrance. That was the first of many ongoing interactions he had with these creatures and Brian shares his encounters with us." Well yeah that's pretty wild! Do you remember like what are these... What were these reptilians like? Were they humanoid and did they communicate in any kind of way Yeah, they did. And just side note when I heard you reading that, I was thinking to myself man i'm really glad my wife edits my initial descriptions because she's the writer here and stuff and I just kind of write things down and she edits it makes it sound nice so Brian in his brother this is an interesting story that might be resurfacing down the road here with some other projects I'm doing cause I stumbled across a story recently that is really

12:55 groundbreaking when it comes to our existence, what this all is. What can we do as human beings? What is the paranormal are there other worlds that we can access I mean, I'm working on a story that is just... It's crazy and Brian's story might little bit little piece of it might work in conjunction with it because It's this idea of portals into other worlds. And at the time of recording the interview with Brian, I didn't really think of it this way. I thought a bit more of a physical location which it was there is like this tree with a hole in the ground and it was like the entrance to this other world really. Brian talked about his brother having experiences not just with reptilians but witches and there are these battles that would happen apparently the reptilians according to what he was told

13:42 They were good. And I was like, well that's not what I heard a lot of you know? But then you start thinking about, you know... What are motives? So I think a lot of times people they take stories at face value and they're like well that can't be true because I heard over here on this story the exact opposite and that's the first one I heard so what you just said can't be true. Mm-hmm. And I try to step away from that kind of stuff because I don't know what is true to begin with. I don't know what this reality is But then you start thinking about like on our side of things, as human beings we can sit here and say one thing to our wife and then turn around to our friends say another thing that's the exact opposite because one person or the other whether it's a wife or their friend. We're trying to convey a message too that we didn't want to convey to the other person

14:26 And it's called lying. And so, you know, it makes me wonder with the reptilians and stuff could there be another motive? It's like okay well I'm going to be a peaceful loving thing to this person because I want them to do a certain thing or whatever But yeah, he had this ongoing experience and there was like this underground war. And he actually was told that there was at one point a present I think there was some kind of witch or something and this reptilian wound up killing it. You start thinking about in just rational terms...I think this happened in Michigan you start thinking like really? Really?! but then I started thinking about like

15:04 what all this is, but I do for me personally. I do believe that there are other dimensions. I do believe that there's other realities and if there's other things in those realities can they poke through? And I do! I believe that they can poke through and that might present a whole other thing where at a certain geographical location in this realm something is experienced by somebody or groups to people that at a later date isn't possible because it no longer is in existence Whereas in this story, that's the case. Like it was just gone at some point it was just gone I remember I think he said the hole was gone or maybe the tree where I can't remember exactly what it was But like it was literally impossible physically impossible to access What was being accessed because it was just gone and so was that like a portal? That was presenting itself in a very physical way here in this realm I don't know but Brian story is a very complex story of

15:57 And I think it has more layers than what we can even fathom right now. And that kind of goes into this whole other stuff that i'm working on Man, I'm telling you side note. We can get this later, I guess but in two weeks from the time of this recording, I'm heading to Utah to film another documentary and when I get back my goal is to start up this whole new story and start bringing people in studio to really start recording and making it's gonna be like a seasonal kind of thing but It-I think its going to be groundbreaking when it drops And I think Brian stories gonna be popping up here and there with that Mmm, Utah assume you're going to Skinwalker? I never heard of Skinwalker. No, just kidding! So i can't go to Skinwalker Ranch because it's privately owned and my documentaries say Skinwalker Ranch or else I'll get sued so yeah what we're doing is

16:45 We have access to a property that butts up against Skinwalker Ranch, and we're going to be setting up base camp there. But our gist of this documentary is gonna be what happens in the area around Skinwalker Ranch? The name that shall not be named because it's not just the ranch and that's the common misperception here that people hear of Skinwalker Ranch and they think oh! The ranch has all this bizarre... No it's not. The ranch became popular through experiences but these experiences happen on the outside of the ranch too and there are a lot of people in the area that are claiming bizarre things. And so we're going to go with a more broad perspective and we're also going to tackle where does this all come from? What's the history behind it, and we're gonna talk to natives and locals that have had experiences and it's gonna be really really cool when it's all said done and something people haven't seen before when it comes to that area

17:31 Nice, I assume you're talking about Ryan Patrick Burns who i've had on before. My man! Who owns that land and he feeds me good guests once in a while but on the subject of skinwalkers I just recorded an interview that has not aired yet with Dr Gregory Little, I become a big fan of him this is like our third interview but he just released a new book with Andrew Collins called Origins Of The Gods, Hewson Cave Skinwalkers And Contact With Transdimensional Intelligences and they talk a lot about what they think is the mechanism behind these paranormal experiences and it seems to be plasma, and there's been discoveries in the last ten years in the lab on plasmas that seem to show they exhibit intelligence they can breed. They can split apart and even evolutionary traits show where weak ones will disassemble and stronger lattices will progress on and then bell

18:26 break apart and there seems to be like will and intentionality behind these plasmas and there are also natural plasma sand. Andrew collins in a different interview i listen to he was asked about skinwalker ranch and what you think that is it's like oh they're just plasma phone run his take was that, there is like a blanket of one entity that covers the area and then you see aspects of it or interacts with people and its really wild but what i like about their book is they talk about native american shamanism, end there are indigenous cultures that can call in.

19:06 spirits or beans or whatever and when people have these encounters there very often i saw this being of light and then it turns solid well. Their perspective is these plasmas emerge and they're glowing in the end a suck up, the electrons and particles from things around them that's why their such an overlap with the sightings and caves for disrupted dirt in the case of the story we just talked about because A lot of dirt and dust, it makes it easy for them to suck up particles to appear solid.

19:41 And we're talking about basically like sentient intelligence plasma life that we do not know any fucking thing about. It's just really provocative to me, I also interviewed... You know, I feel like I'm on your show doing all this talking and I don't usually do this but- No it's fine! Eric Dollard was the guy interviewed who is kind of like Tesla type archetype scientist and he did experiments in the lab with exotic plasmas and he captured a little white man like maybe the size of a beer bottle he said it moved around and eat you didn't really want to get too into it is like look that's very weird in anything i say about it is gonna discredit my other work cuz im trying to be serious scientist here but that was weird, it was like he manifested the spirit so on this page where i think plasmas have something to do with it and i like the keel valet young perspective that so many these encounters interplay with the mind

20:38 So like valet used to say that you're not looking at the thing itself. You're looking at a projection well, a lot of these guys I mean all of them talked about this stuff in the 80s or earlier We know way more about plasmas now so when they say it's something electromagnetic Or it's a projection It's like i think what you're trying to get it something with plasma and there is an interaction with the mind so what you expect to see this kind of what u get. And that's why i think they're so much variance he talked about the reptilians like all their supposed to be bad well its kinda snap judgment in your brain you see something,

21:15 Or it reads your brain or something and it's like, it pulls an image out of your subconscious. Reptilian maybe you don't have a strong religious background so you're not gonna see Mary this time So you see a reptilian And then maybe you are no in fear state so it doesn't appear bad It gets weird but i mean that's how I account for the variance and all of this stuff is that we are looking at something that shape shifts and it takes an image from your own mind, and praise on your fear or it acts as if they can when you're not afraid but i think its a weird reciprocal subconscious relationship maybe with plasma.

21:53 That's really interesting. That's really interesting. We were talking about the light man, it reminded me of a guy I had interviewed and he does scrying and during the COVID lockdown crap, he was at home and he had nothing... He was bored and he started scrying using his like tea cup in his coffee and started taking like these videos and pictures as you're stirring it. And he was pulling in some very extremely vivid and clear pictures and images and some of them looked like grays It was very, very interesting. And it all started during the lockdown because he was just bored and he's like, let me try this. But it just reminded me of that I don't know why but there you go. Yeah well I would just say if you're going out there definitely take a look at Origins Of The Gods because I think it presents a new case and it's always good to have like the most cutting edge or most unique

22:46 perspective going into making a documentary about weird place that a lot of people speculated about but it is a wild one and coming back to episodes you've done there was one i really liked called secret military inaki and technology with the sky named charlie who apparently was sent out on recovery operation for downed craft when he was in the military. And then they got this, weird all black short winged plane like craft and one of the screens when i got inside it had weird characters on he was, searching through his field manual of languages in this college said you won't find it in there that's an akian that's an ancient demon language. And they do see some weird figures at night here shooting a cd equipment and remnants of another team glossing over a lot but

23:36 The weirdest part is when they get back to base and people should listen to this cuz he talks about it in two hours but. He expects a debriefing session but his commanding officer starts describing, rescue mission at the same location and nobody else remembers they were just there and he's thinking well are we being sent on our rescue mission for ourselves and it was weird time loop and right there with portals, time loops. I mean they're basically the portals of you know of time then we have portals of space but that is a really crazy story seemed like it could have been a really great Twilight Zone episode but wow man that's uh...that's a great one! That's one i would assume that's one year up most unique episodes

24:21 It's the all time episode. When I dropped that episode, so Charlie he reached out to me and that's not his real name. He didn't want to disclose his real name and we can go into what happened after this interview aired but he contacted me tells me this story in the email Man, listen. Every time I get somebody that wants to share with me a bizarre weird experience they had while they were serving in the military, I am down for that." And he contacted me and I'm like yes! And I put him right in the front of line like when do you want an interview? Yesterday? Like let's do this, you know? We scheduled a time a few weeks later and he wound up backing out because he got cold feet. And I said okay just let me know if you ever change your mind. Months later he contacts me again is like okay I think we can do this

25:02 We spent probably like an hour talking before we even started the interview. Just kind of, well maybe I don't know if you experienced this with the caliber of guests you have on the show but with mine they're not really used to talking publicly and so sometimes they're very nervous and you gotta kind of warm up and just get them to relax and hey you're just talking to me kind of thing And we started recording...I had no idea how deep that story was gonna go I found myself sitting there, like my brain went somewhere else while he was talking. I was consuming what his story was almost like an audience member and then my brain was just putting puzzle pieces together as he's going along and piecing things together trying to rationalize certain things. And I do that sometimes with these complex stories that I get sometimes on the show you know sometimes you get hey i lived in a haunted house here are some stories and then sometimes you get one story that takes two hours to tell

25:55 And those are very complex. And when that happens, I tend to naturally just start to try piece things together and try to make sense of what they experience because a lot of times people want to share their story because of that can you help me make sense of this kind of thing? I remember presenting certain things to him during that interview that just kind of put him back in his seat. He's like, wow! I never thought of it that way." In fact, if I remember correctly the part where you mentioned he was being sent out on a reconnaissance mission to get people I think I presented the idea that could it be with all this weird stuff happening, that there was some kind of time loop where you were being sent out to yourself. And I just remember having him go like wow! I never thought of it that way. That interview spawned a relationship, a friendship with me and him and he and I talk probably at least once a month

26:47 Let's put it this way. He served his time in the military, when he got out this experience changed his life. He left the country because he didn't feel comfortable staying in our country any longer. He lives in another country to this day and he works in intelligence to this day as well like he has access to technology that you and I don't have access to so like every once in a while I need a little favor And, uh, like the one time I was trying to track somebody down and I was like, listen man. This person's a ghost. I have their name that said he came back with two home addresses. He's like you can mail them. Like how do I explain how I got there? Emailing address, you know? So his experience going into the woods, I don't know. He won't tell me

27:27 where this happened at, but the experience of going into the woods to recover technology off this downed aircraft. He said when he, when they approached this downed aircraft after I think it was like a day or two of hiking into this location and then he said this thing looked like nothing he's ever seen before. Like the outside had like this checkered board look to it and wherever they were, it was hot. And he said, when you touched those cold to the touch and when they got in and the different language...and this is where I still don't know what he experienced and what he encountered. Because on the show, he said that he was told the language was Enochian and he wasn't sure about it. He had never heard of it before. And I at the time of interviewing him now this was episode 122 years ago. I hadn't heard of Enochian. Most my education with a lot of this stuff comes through talking to people with their experiences. That's just how I developed. And I was a truck driver when I first started this. I didn't have a lot of time to do any reading. I just listened to podcasts.

28:24 When he said that, I was like do you mean Enochian? And to this day i'm not sure if he meant Enochian or Enochian. I think it's pronounced both ways like Crowley and Crowley Okay, so I wasn't sure but when I went looking for Enochian language it was like this whole language of the angels and all this stuff. It's like whoa! My brain kind of popped and that interview was a huge learning experience for me where I learned so much. I gained a new friend which is cool and he shared a legendary story of how our government their troops specialized. He was part of a specialized group. His specialty was technology

29:02 There's other people who were there for safety purposes. There are other people who were scientists from different universities that he's gone on missions with before, and they go in for the knowledge of the experience and stuff like this is like a super classified off-the-books kind of thing that he did. And when you hear somebody talking about this kind of stuff and putting it, the story. It gives you an image like we all have these assumptions. We heard this, we heard that but then you hear a story of somebody who's like yeah I've been through something like that let me tell you what it was what I experienced And so we changed his name on that interview because for safety purposes So you know Echo Bravo Charlie there you go Charlie was...and so The interview airs and this was years ago

29:48 It went viral. In the first week I had almost 100,000 downloads and I was like holy crap! Like you know? I was like yo Tony if you have a ride in the next week they go right back to normal numbers like oh dang but it goes viral and then him and i are talking like a month or two later and he's like hey some things have happened recently since the interview aired And I was like, okay what? He's like, don't feel comfortable talking about it. And I was like okay do you want to talk about it off air and he said no that is what I mean I don't think I feel comfortable talking about it. Okay and then I think it was a year or two later him and I are talking and he comes forward and tells me hey I'll talk but for my safety purposes can you just make it a member because I had membership on the website at that time

30:32 Can you make it a membership privacy thing that kind of locked it down for me? I was like, yeah. I guess. I mean, I don't think it makes anything safe for you. I mean if they want it they're going to get it. Yeah the military has got seven bucks. Yeah they got seven bucks man but I was like hey man if you wanna talk cool let's do it and so we talked and long story short the country he is living in and he's working in the tech field and all that stuff and he still goes out on certain lets just call missions or whatever He was approached at his home by the police and they said that they need him to come down to the station a certain day in time because they need have a conversation with them. And he's like, what's this about? And they said we don't know and turns out that our government military was the ones that he was meeting there. He got a lawyer and he told the lawyer kind of what's going on. Because he brought the lawyer though

31:27 they couldn't really discuss in detail, but basically they wanted assurances from him. Now this is very random if it wasn't for him appearing on my show recently he would be in the complete dark as to why they're picking him out but they wanted basically assurances from him that he's not looking to harm the United States government with any kind of information that could be harmful and so even though he used the fake name everything they knew exactly who he was and then he also talked about his experiences where he works, where he believed that maybe somebody that was new working with him might have been placed there to monitor him because the person was getting a little nosy because he's kind of a private guy and the guys like buddying up with him. And then you know hey let's get together after work where do you live? You know can I come over to the house we should hang out and asking questions about his background and things that just didn't seem quite right and what

32:22 When we talked about on the show, he had suspicions about that. That situation's kind of like simmered down a little bit last time I talked to him but the story is big-time military glitch kinda story within the story of the down craft and what it experiences multi layered and i just recently got access and trying to get them on the show two different guys in the military who shared who have a story similar along the lines of glitch experience and stuff. And I'd like to get them on the show if possible, but it's hard! It's hard for military guys to come forward and talk about this stuff... ...and then on top of it, I'm not military. I've never been in the military. I don't know the lingo. Why would I want to talk to you? Why should I talk to you? All that kind of stuff. I'm not part of the Brotherhood, and I think that's a big deal

33:09 So we'll see what happens and stuff. But yeah, that was episode 122 and then I re-released it so when i did the second interview that was supposed to be members only which it is... I re-released the original interview that Tuesday for prepping everybody for the membership only show on that Thursday And that re-release is episode 351 I just did a little tweaking with the audio because my production skill got a little better. So, I took the old audio and cleaned it a little better and stuff just so it's a little better quality. So if you want to check it out, I would suggest 351 so you get a little bit better audio quality than the original. Right on right yeah it's one of my favorite stories from your show and doesn't just suck when you have something really juicy you wanna share with people in the just. Have to put it behind the paywall i mean sucks so where goes yeah i mean this oh,

33:58 when January 6th happened. Uh oh! So I'm not gonna go too far, we're not going to get you taken in but i'm a dystopian futurist okay so I read tea leaves as best I can and my projection is we're all doomed like yeah I'm not the life of a party okay? You don't want to bring me into a party because... Don't get me talking kind of thing. Around that time though I was reading the tea leaves and I thought things are not looking good on On my front when it comes to my contacts and i double didn't conspiracy cuz i love talking about that kind of stuff but i was thinking maybe we stick with the paranormal for a while so what i did was my public shows for the most part since then have been mostly paranoid touch on.

34:39 conspiratorial generalizations. Oh, you want to talk about men in black? Cool! Everybody does. You know if it's on YouTube we're good but anything that might be kind of sticky like I've done interviews with people who have been through MKUltra the satanic ritual abuse and and the conspiracy behind that like people recalling their memories like the one woman cat in the middle of the interview she's talking about all these experiences and I'm like have you ever heard of MKUltra and she's like no and I kinda described it to her She was like okay And I'm like I think he might have been part of that programming And I broke that to her on the interview and she just kind of like melted. She's like, can I get five minutes? She hung up with me and we had a reconnect later and stuff because it took her for a whirlwind but because of that allowed her to explore thought on why her life in our childhood was way it was and her memories and she's been piecing things together so that kinda stuff was getting thrown behind the paywall because I was just like yo if I put this up on Apple

35:32 it might put a target on me that I don't want. So we just kind of, we put the more sensitive stuff behind the paywall but a lot of stuff you hear on Tuesdays is there on Thursday's as well but like if its deep conspiracy that can get unwanted attention, I just keep that little more private I get it. And that story parallels the story, I have so well in LA sometimes they have these events at restaurants where you can smoke weed and eat a meal and you know, I try to grab every one of those I can yeah So me and a couple of buddies my wife went up to one And this older woman sat with us and we were just bullshitting and she starts talking about some of the abuse that she went through. And you know, she came out to Hollywood young and doughy eyed a naive and she got kind of put through the meat grinder no pun intended and

36:23 She said the word institutional like it seemed like it was structured and I said have you ever heard of MKUltra? And she burst into hysterical tears as if I said Like a trigger word that was implanted in her, and I'm with people who do not know about this stuff. My wife does but my buddies they don't care! They don't care what I do for work It's like any other job and this reaction they're all like what the fuck did you do dude you broke this woman and i'm like look at that's what it's called and it was just so weird she she was like basically was yes i have to go, and shows you might have unlocked so much for me i'm gonna go research this.

37:06 And it was very strange and it made me think ever since then never have I talked about the story that was such just a small like kind of in passing thing but maybe think that may be so they are encoded to be like if you ever hear this. Like you're gonna break down it is strange but when you talk to him kill your victims they do have triggers implanted in them some say that the triggers are always there and then if someone who's in the big club. No is that you were put through this programming and they wanna get their rocks off a pulley aside they say the magic words and u go into zombie mode and you just let them have their way with you end,

37:48 It's sick, but that's the process. The mechanisms that I've heard before and Just to hear a story like that, that's so damn similar. It's wild really wild. Yeah I'm telling you man like I interviewed her twice for the members we're gonna do a third one we're actually going to an MKUltra roundtable where i have people that have been on this show that are victims of it and were gonna all sit down and compare notes what was your experience? What did you think about this? Okay so Kat said this Holly what did you think about that? You know is that your similar experience or different just kind of hashed out So but the second interview i did with cat she talked about some more details of her childhood and one thing is for sure i'm fairly certain her mom was deeply involved in, some kind of like satanic cult and she has a friend that she still friends with today that went through similar experiences with her parents and it seems like this is underground kinda thing but cat was pretty much.

38:43 without seeing the exchange of money sold to a man by her mom as a teenager with a baby. And she had to go live with this guy in New York and she basically didn't fulfill what he wanted out of whatever Kat was supposed to provide, and he basically said you gotta get outta here, you gotta go back. It was crazy but it gives us real side-of-life where its like yeah this stuff is like there's some of the crazy mystical stuff that goes on Switches in people's brains and all that stuff. But then there is the other side of it where she was experienced, her mom was probably involved in this stuff as well and how her mom basically... It's like selling her in sex slavery kind of thing you know? And this stuff is very real I don't think anybody that listens to your show for sure understands that and its not a surprise that this kinda stuff happens

39:30 It's a shame and I think we're still dealing with the remnants of what you would call MK Ultra, but I don't think it stopped. Like they say it stopped. I don't think it stopped. They just rebranded them new names and that's what they do. They always recycle things. That's why you see their tactics never changed. The time changes so like if your history buff or you like reading the tea leaves all you gotta is look backwards in time. The stuff they try now they've tried before. Its' like they lack creativity And so it's just constant repetition of actions that these people do. And I think when it comes to MKUltra, It's the exact thing. They might have rebranded the program and things like that put a new facelift on it but it's the same thing

40:12 Yes i agree and on the subject of roundtables one more thing i want to bring up before we spend some time on the dog man documentary in this first hour is around table you did a few years ago with four guests talking about the hollow earth what are my favorite ideas. And it was very christian based and, You know, I don't personally think quoting biblical scripture is the best way to make the case for a big hollow inhabited cavity inside the earth. But i will take what I can get very few people talk about it at all yeah i'm curious your thoughts on what is really beneath the surface and how inhabited it might be so i'm sure you get this experience the hate mail on certain topics and stuff whenever whenever i have a guest on the show that are heavily christian and i'm a christian

41:01 But I approach my show where it's just like, hey, I don't care who you are. Let's talk and see where the conversation goes so when you have two Christians it tends to go that way more than others. I believe it yeah So Justin Fall Westfall brothers they made this documentary And I brought them on to talk about they brought some other guys and stuff but I can't remember exactly Who was all there Chad Riley? And somebody else but their motive for The documentary in the flat earth or not flat earth we going that one day right? but hollow Earth Their motive isn't Greg, it isn't maybe even Greg's audience. Their motivation was the Christian audience. Their efforts I think are more geared towards the Christian church and exposing the Christian church to the bizarre stuff that the Christian church doesn't want to teach. There's a lot of weird things that happen in the Bible—a lot of it—and it just gets skipped over on Sundays and most Christians have no idea

41:55 There's Nephilim in the Bible that giants were more than just Goliath. Like, they have no idea! That's already the edited Bible who knows what they took out a couple of times they edited it down Exactly just in the Old Testament What we know like there is a story of David and his mighty men these dudes were like freaking X-Men And how they encountered Giants and how giants that were Goliaths relatives went Basically popped up here and there towards David because David killed Goliath and like all this stuff You're not taught about because they don't want to teach you that Giants existed They don't want to teach you about the Nephilim and all that stuff cuz they run the Vatican now. Yes, right It looks six feet deep underneath right? But I think Justin in West their motivation is more towards Christian audience to begin with That's why it was like that but when it comes to the hollow earth

42:42 put aside the Christian biblical references and stuff, my personal perspective is absolutely 100% there is a logical conversation to be had without any mystical type of thought when it comes to hollow earth. It's called the mammoth cave system. It's absolutely huge! It's in Kentucky stretches all the way up into New York like...the earth IS hollow When you look at the idea of how big these cave systems can be, they just discovered what I think in China like a couple weeks ago. There's like a giant hole in the ground that they found and it goes 300 feet deep and there's actual jungle rainforest inside the earth at this point. The earth is so complex in itself that I personally believe the Earth is hollow. I think there is a logical way to talk about this

43:30 And when you want to enter into the paranormal mystical kind of thing, yeah I think that could be a portal entryways into other realms. I'm exploring that right now on the other project and what lives there? Could reptilians live there like we were talking about earlier stuff with the hole in the ground Could Bigfoot live there? Dogmen, these cryptids, these creatures. What are they? Why did they come from the inner earth? Is it a portal that goes to their realm? Like I do 100% believe that the earth could be is hollow in a sense. I guarantee you its hollow because we do know physically there are huge cave systems that are so complex that they all haven't been explored. So where did they lead to? Where did they go? Did they lead to an area that is even bigger with the China thing like and I think it was China

44:16 They didn't know. They had no idea that this thing was there, but they discovered a whole forest ecosystem inside the earth what's in there? I don't know but for me yes i believe the earth is definitely hollow now if you want to go down to flat Earth maybe the Earth is like a flat on top and bowl shape kind of thing so it's like we get the best of both worlds I don't know What i like about the flat earth people is they focus heavily on antarctica as well and that's a hollow earth and flatter thing it seems like the key to understanding what this thing is would be in antarctica not swatting at the international treaty countries can agree on shit but they can all agree that no fly zone,

44:55 in terms of what we do know about the inner surface i mean the moho layer is a layer beneath the mantle that is supposed to be porous like a dish washing sponge and it's like that's a lot of real estate and there, add when they did crash something into the moon if they did you know allegedly nasa you can never trust them but it rang like a bell. Our researchers who have brought up on this show the seismic waves, when they do have readers who register an earthquake. They go through one side of the earth then there's a big gap and then they show up on the other side as if they can't measure the waves because there is an inner cavity. Wow! And yeah we had the inner forests that have been found. There is one in China that's pretty well known. There are inner oceans

45:45 And I've heard people say that if you just went out to the middle of the ocean and you scooped up a bucket of water, and you analyzed it. And you categorized and labeled every microbe and everything you found in there, you would have discovered more than we even know about. And if that's true on any level well what's inside an inner ocean? Right You know how diverse is the life down there probably pretty crazy and it definitely overlaps with Forty and Tales There's all kinds of stuff. Like there was a story in Michael Mott's book, Caverns, Cauldrons and Concealed Creatures of a school teacher who is walking kids down into a cave not even that far you know keeping it safe and they ran into like giant wild men down there and it's like shit

46:38 I love it. That's the kind of stuff I live for, man! I love these stories like it's just you know what his pot and like you know what? It is...it's this kind of stuff that stretches your brain and it reminds you to allow yourself to let your mind wander we did that as kids man like the imaginations We had as kids and wondering what life could be in getting wrapped up into lockers this monster and all that stuff. And then as life goes on, you hit these different stages to become a teenager getting involved in sports or the girls and you get distracted. Then you graduate high school also into college and partying then you get out of college like oh my god I have all this debt i gotta find a job and I can't make the money You get all this distraction when you enter into these realms with these podcasts where you hear these stories it just

47:20 stretches your brain and lets you start wondering like a child again, like what is possible? And then you really start looking into it. You start listening to more of the shows and you start reading and studying it. Oh I think I'm fairly certain this world is bizarre and everything that was true at one time, I gotta start questioning again." I love that stuff. I like it for me, I love when my show and I put out an episode that does that for other people. I love getting the emails of people saying that you know, I started listening to your show and it just totally changed my perspective as to what is even possible? And at the same time provided so many answers for what I experienced in my own life. I'm just like yeah, that's gold for me

48:00 It's a beautiful thing, right? I think it seems like we were both destined for mundane middle of the road nine to five jobs making no or very little impact on the world. And look at us now man we're doing all right! I'll tell you honestly what you just said it's so weird because I'm a paranormal guy, paranormal podcast right but one of my deepest desires in life is just to have a positive impact on the world around me It's just something that has always been part of me as a kid growing up. And it is so funny that paranormal podcasting is the route I found fulfillment in for that desire and you get the hate mail, but you also get emails from people who are like thank you for doing what you do and stuff. It gives you more sense of purpose to say we're actually doing something good for the world which is great until someone wants to censor us. Cheers!

48:55 And we got to fit the center of the first hour it's the big promotional thing that's the dog man documentary not only did it come out on my birthday march twenty fifth but it was actually pretty good too, can you tell them people what it was about this guy kyle story than made you wanna follow up considering a wide range of stories that you have to choose from. Yeah, so Kyle had a phenomenal story. Maybe not for him to go through but for an audience to listen to fantastic and the uniqueness of it was one it wasn't too far from me I was in Philadelphia Pennsylvania at the time he was in Kentucky so about 10 hour drive I'd say but It was very geographically based where he could take me to location with this monster almost killed him and he's never been back there

49:44 before ever and he was willing to take me there if I came. And at the same time, I didn't know I was starting documentaries. I was starting to try to take YouTube more serious because they...I got an email that like a week after I went full-time podcasting like hey guess what we're going to monetize your channel? Like oh another revenue stream let's just see how it goes until they take me down. So i started thinking about maybe doing like an action vlog kind of thing where I film different places or whatever That's the intent of this whole thing. What happened though was from the time I interviewed him and I said, Hey on the interview, I said, Hey would you show me this area? And he said yes to the time of me going down people came across my path that I didn't have before

50:21 Ward, my cameraman used to film for Glenn Beck at the blaze and he contacted me and we got to develop a friendship. And I'm like, Hey would you want to go on an adventure? And he's like yeah let's do it! And then Christian has done stuff with Discovery Channel and he is a treasure hunter and he is great with developing a storyline of a project and he wanted to come. And then Joel came, and Joel is a musician. He's a member of Van Tesla and does rap rock singing all this different stuff I'm like dude you want to come in hunt monsters? He was like absolutely! I'm like really?! So we all go and it just turns into this professional documentary where i was the face

50:58 Obviously I bring the audience and stuff, but these guys brought their skills. And it just turned into this amazing awesome creation But we go down there to basically see what happens. We were going to spend a week in the Daniel Boone National Forest, in the area of this attack hunting down The Dog Man and I told the guys going into it...I said listen guys, we're not coming down here telling people that we're gonna find A Dog Man! We're not going into this with any expectations. We're going into it for the experience of the experience We're not looking to develop an experience or manufacture anything. We want to go down there, put ourselves in the environment and just see what happens we're going to try I brought a predator call down. I brought coyote urine down all this stuff but we weren't guaranteed any action and we just wanted to see what would happen

51:47 Let me rewind a little bit I guess and just fill the audience in with a little bit of what his story was. Kyle is around my age, I think he's 35-36 something like that and when he was 15 was in Danube National Forest at night coon hunting with his two dogs, his grandfather. His grandfather stays in the truck because his grandfather's older so they had two way radios so that they could be in communication. The dogs take off on a scent and shortly after you hear coyotes coming in cause the dogs treat a raccoon. So Kyle follows the barking sound and he can tell by how they're barking as to if they're on the trail of something or if they've actually treed a raccoon their tree to raccoon and these coyotes start coming in

52:26 And you hear it, his grandfather said get to the dogs before the coyotes do or else there's gonna be a fight. It's going to be ugly so he's booking it through the woods at night trying to get there He doesn't get there in time A fight breaks out and There was two dogs of his There was Jake and Bo Jake was the veteran dog that everybody in the area knew about It was the biggest dog The best hunting dog I mean legendary dog An then there was Bo which was a training dog So they teach their dogs how to hunt Setting them out with experienced dogs and the dogs learn from the other dogs Bo comes across these coyotes trying to fight them and stuff. He takes off running, so Jake's there and he's fighting off these coyotes and he said you could hear him coming in one at a time on Jake and Jake was doing fine

53:04 He fights these things off. And then he said, these coyotes came in as like a pack and they came in on his dog and they were kicking the crap out of his dog. And he's trying to get there. And then all of a sudden you hear another dog come in and the fight changes. And these coyotes run off screaming and crying. And his dog Jake goes back to treeing this raccoon and he comes up to Jake and he pets Jake on the head good dog. And he hears his other dog bow on the other side of the tree chomping down on Coyote And so he goes around this tree to see his dog, Bo and basically be like good job. Oh you know he came back But what he was greeted with on the other side wasn't bow at all like his assumption He said he saw a dog on the other side of this tree That was so big that it was holding a coyote by the rib cage in its mouth This thing was absolutely huge and when he locked eyes with this thing

53:58 It stood up on its hind legs, drops the coyote. He takes off running and this thing chased after him." Now the dramatic part of this story I can never relay like he did because he was there in a moment and it just people cried after hearing this story This thing chases after him and the only reason why Kyle survived is because Jake intervened his dog on three different occasions. The first time this dog man creature threw Jake off to the side and keeps coming out, and this happened really fast And then Jake came back in again and this creature just took Jake and threw him through the woods. And he said you could hear Jake busting through tree branches, crying like he was dying through the process of being thrown. It's just like my dog is dead! I'm dead! At the same time, he trips over a tree that had fallen over and falls over. This thing comes in on him

54:54 Fast and he said it's right on top of me. He said it was so close to him that he could see down the back Of its throat, that's how close it was there and at the last second Jake comes in again and broadsides this creature, and he gets up and runs calling for his dog to come. But while he's calling for his dog to come, he hears this creature just tearing his dog to pieces. He could hear his dog dying as he's running away. He hits a clearing. He fires off a shot in the air. He's yelling, Come on, Jake! Come on, Jake! Jake is not coming. He gets back in his truck with his grandfather. And he's like, Just go, just go, just go. And I've been to this area. It is out there very remote

55:33 The road that they came in on is a one lane road in the Denia Boone. It's not like a road, it's like a logging road almost and his grandfather goes where are the dogs? And he was just go! He tells his grandfather what happened and his grandfather on the way back to the house said to him listen if you're gonna hunt these woods there are things out here you can't explain and if you can't come to grips with that your not going to be a good hunter You have to make a decision now If you could handle it or not. And he was like what the heck?! His grandfather said, we're going to come back out tomorrow. Look for the dogs and he's like, listen, Bo is gone and Jake is dead. There's no point of coming out. And he said if Jake did what you say Jake did for you, you owe it to him to come out and look for him. So the next day they get up in the morning, they go out looking for Jake can't find them

56:18 at the end of the morning, his grandfather lays his coat on the ground thinking hey listen if Jake can get this scent and he's alive He'll come to the coat and then we'll come back this evening and look for him. They go back in the evening And they're driving around they can't find Jake and then they're driving down the road and they see a dog His grandfather was like look there's Bo standing on the side of the road get your leash and go get Bo So he goes to get Bo as he gets closer It wasn't Bo, it was actually Jake. Jake survived the attack and he said that Jake was so torn up you could see like the insides of him He said his ears looked like noodles they just like were shredded They take Jake home And nobody's expecting Jake to survive. Fortunately for Kyle, yeah Kyle again that's a different name than what his real name is I was just making sure i said the right one so fortunately for Kyle his grandmother was like one of the women in the area that people brought their animals too like she wasn't a vet but she took care of animals and nursed them and stuff and they wound up nursing Jake back to health and he said Jake was never

57:15 a good hunting dog after that, but he was a hunting dog. He would go out hunting just never was as good or the same again and then to complete the story two weeks later Bo shows up at a shop like miles away and they called off his tag and brought the dog back over so they got both their dogs Jake lived to be an old dog but this story scarred Kyle to the point that Kyle never went back to that area's entire life till I got there and he brought me into those woods again He wouldn't go out there at night so when we went out there and that we had to make sure that Kyle would bring us in during a day show us an area. We had to get him out before got dark, and then go back in at night into our filming and hunting and stuff so like it was logistically complicated.

57:57 But Kyle would not do it at night. And unfortunately for Kyle, we had some experiences during the day that really shook him up like you visibly saw Kyle's PTSD coming in and shaking him up and it was an experience of a lifetime will be going back because there's a lot of unanswered questions but we're not gonna do that next we're gonna be doing the skinwalker in Utah next so yeah Right on yeah that's a great summary i really enjoyed it and i guess it was fifteen years later you went back but these portal areas you know maybe they are quite timeless man we have covered a lot of ground. And I'm gonna cut back to the free show here you know the ending is always the promotional stuff and so i tacked onto the end that's how i edit things but,

58:46 I have to ask you about this weird story you told on tinfoil hat and this probably can be rolled right into a promo. I think your skilled enough to do so But apparently some guy met an entity in a cave and allowed themselves to be taken over and do work for this thing. Apparently the story goes so deep you want to make it totally different podcast about it, and his story was told in a fictional book that you have but you won't tell anyone what this book is. What's going on here Tony? What the hell is that book?" Oh man, listen. We got a couple more hours? So let me tell you man... How long is that book title? Nobody! Listen I've had people reaching out nobody

59:31 I am in possession of the book. The book is very real, and the reason why i am protecting the book right now is because I am in communication with the author and she is terrified of what happened in that book because it's very real." And she told me it is but the story doesn't start there man like the story starts with a guy who contacted me to share with me his experiences with his friend who can do these bizarre wild things. And it turns out that his friend, he's asking all these questions and his friend gave him the book and is like just read this book it was written about me. He reads about his friend and all this stuff and when I was interviewing him he had the book and he's not thinking about protecting the book. I wasn't thinking about protecting the book at the time but he shows me the physical book in his hand and I'm like gold because this story was so crazy

1:00:24 i have to pursue it if i can as can i back up his clients can i find the author right and so i asked my second you send me the book he said yeah you did he sent me a book i have the booking my possession i found the author he said that author is a ghost online you cant find anywhere, i found her really quickly in turns out she's a witch. And she was actually putting up spells of protection to separate herself from anybody that is connected to that side of her life. The guy I was talking to actually was because he was friends with the main character of the book And so I contact the author and i'm like listen, I just interviewed this guy. He told me all these bizarre stories of his friend who can physically change his body grow and shrink and he goes into these other worlds and he has his whole life in this other world and physically comes back to this world and all this stuff and I was like...he told me that was based off of the book

1:01:21 But then she said that who she wrote it off of, this guy's friend is a schizophrenic. He's crazy." It's not true. I'm like, oh okay all right that makes sense okay and it was like almost for a second my high was blown from this amazing story and then it connected to this time... Wait wait a second the guy I'm talking to said he saw his friend do these bizarre things like physically change like he saw his friend physically grow right in front of him How do you explain that? And I just said to her, so is he lying to me too or what?" and at this point i have no loyalties to anybody. I just want to know what the truth is because if this is really true like...I want to dive into this when I told her that I was expecting her to say, I don't know what that guy's talking about. He's crazy too right okay so schizophrenic fine schizophrenic cool but what she came back with was the exact opposite it was like by me saying that to her

1:02:18 and pursuing her about it, it like opened her up. And she's like okay I'm gonna tell this guy and she told me she's like listen the stuff that I saw in this world...and she specifically said this world or this realm I can't explain. It led to the idea that there are other worlds as well but what she saw here she can't even explain. She went into some details and I said to her I'm like listen Would you be willing to talk to me i told her i said no i imagine. You're not gonna talk to me cuz she seemed like very standoffish and, She said, actually yeah I've tried going to counseling. I can't talk to a counselor about this stuff because it's too off the wall they're not gonna believe me be nice and talk somebody that's not gonna think i'm crazy so literally like two days later I'm on a zoom call with her for two and a half hours and she's telling me all this stuff that she experienced with him It turns out she was closer of a friend to him than my original guest And she was directly involved in this stuff She was closing portals

1:03:20 She tells me her experiences and it was not a good experience. There was a lot of details in her experience that she told me I can't even relate to the public because it would violate the trust she put in me. Well, listen... A lot of good stuff that I'm going to share right? But like there's some personal things I can't but one thing that she said to me was she had put this book out as the first book she ever wrote. She was still in college It was a poorly written book She actually took it off the market because of death threats people were trying to kill her. And so she took it off the market and so when I told her that I had a copy of issues kind of freaking out a little bit she's like how'd you get in some i told her and she's like listen all do this if you can just give me that book because i don't want it out there and she thinks is about fifteen books still in circulation somewhere,

1:04:08 Now recently since i was on sam show. I've been talking with her and it turns out she is getting scared away she is pushing away from me she says she's willing to answer certain questions but, The idea of appearing on my new show, even if I gave her a different name. If it's on video blurred out kind of thing she's not interested and she said, I'm scared. I'm not doing it and really kinda pushed away so because of that though And I don't hold any loyalties to her outside of just trying to be a good human being maybe in the future I do talk about this book more in detail as far as what its called at least but

1:04:51 As of right now, the brain trust which is just my wife and she's the one I bounce things off of. My wife thinks that right now it's not an ethical thing to do and i don't want to be that guy but we're working on developing this whole new show so It's hard to describe to people The absolute amazing depth of this without going through the whole story like I did on Sam's Show But We're developing this brand new podcast. The first season is going to be very focused on this storyline, how did I come in contact with it? Who am I talking to? I'm actually gonna bring my original guest in studio with me here in Tennessee we're gonna he might be part of the whole first season and then we're gonna leave the first season most likely at okay This is as far as we've gotten our understanding of this now we need the audience help. We need you to come forward do you have similar experiences this that any other because It's very deep

1:05:47 what you mentioned earlier about the guy, the whole cave thing. So this character is walking through a cave system and you're going to recognize this from earlier in your recording with me he's walking through a cave system and it opens up into this big room and there's a man inside that room recruiting him to work for him And he actually accepts unlike my previous two guests and that's where The Rollercoaster starts The interesting thing is there's things that I have been able to verify. So, I found this guy's Instagram account and on his Instagram he has things pictures in his home that if you're just passing by you don't know anything you're just like oh it's art but it's not. I can see it's a direct correlation to something that was read in the book now I didn't read the book my wife read because she reads faster than me better than me she's my reader but it was like oh crap

1:06:46 He's very much involved in it still, even though he said he's walking away from it. If I reach out to him which I think I'm going to at some point, I think when we introduce myself to me like listen man We need to talk It's interesting because I got two different perspectives here my original guest he told me that he thinks that if I reach out is gonna scare him away because He's starting a family, you know? And just had that kid and stuff. And he thinks that he doesn't want anything to do with it because that's what he told him. He'd say I don't want anything to do with it leave me alone about it kind of thing, you know? But then when I talked to the author she said he's so egotistical if I approach him about it If he did step away from it, he is going to be encouraged to jump back into it and I don't know but It turns out that this guy

1:07:34 He has the ability through the dream state, but also in the alert physical state. Leave here and go to another realm another world so if he doesn't do it through a dream state his body's physically here but he somewhere else which we talked about that on my show people are unfamiliar with the idea of astral projection things like that But this is little bit more because actually going to another world there are beings in that world that are familiar with him and they pick up where he left off. And, and there's Nephilim in this world and it is very deep but then with a physical side you literally can now like at a moment's notice leave this world and go somewhere else but

1:08:20 There's an exchange that happens and there's a being in the other world that has to come here and replace him. And when that happens, his physical body changes here into the being that replaces him. It kind of looks like him but he winds up getting taller and I think his features change a little bit but the character is what changes the most like he's inches taller but his character is completely different when this happens. There's a lot of people that would hear that and maybe come from more of a demonic thought process. I'm like, well he is getting possessed and physically changing from the demon or maybe he is actually accessing other worlds. Maybe he is actually doing what he says he is doing because the guest that I had brought on originally told me this isn't just his friend that this was happening to it happened to his girlfriend where she was approached by an entity

1:09:11 And also his brother. So my guest's brother was approached by an entity and also accepted, and his brother thought that this was just a bizarre dream. And so his brother tells him this stuff and his brother has no idea who is friend is. And so it's like this whole intertwine of people. And I have on my show couple guests who have said these exact things before I even knew the story I have had guests who said they were walking through a cave system and it opens up into a room, and there's a person recruiting them to work for them. Like this is something that has happened on my show before i came across this story And so kind of just wrap everything up real quick here For anybody who's like well then these people heard your show created a story To pull your leg or to create this masterful story for your show to get attention Or something about the book It's impossible because I have the book and the copyright date on the book is 2012

1:10:08 So my show didn't come into existence until 2017. So this story existed before my show existed, so listen I wish i could spend two hours telling from front to back the whole story but just listen anybody who's interested in this story that wants to know more just stay tuned Go to the confessional podcast and hit subscribe. But when I do come out with this new podcast, you'll know about it by subscribing because i'll be announcing hey i'm dropping this new podcast You don't want to miss it and i'll probably make my rounds and talk about other people's shows and stuff but this is going to be A podcast that could possibly turn into docu series with documentaries that we're doing but I believe It is going to be groundbreaking

1:10:51 It's going to really change the way people view the world around them on all face all perspectives of how you think everything works i think it's gonna be that groundbreaking and i think is going to be. 10 times bigger than the confessionals ever could possibly be as far as attention goes. I think this is going to be something that is just absolutely huge, so we'll see or maybe it's gonna be a dud and nobody cares you know who knows? Hey! It's a hell of a pitch. I like it. I'm psyched. I'm hooked now let me ask you this Is the woman who wrote the book...is her first initial by chance okay

1:11:28 No okay okay that was a time long time ago maybe ten years this point. That i inquire woman actually like hey you like inner earth stories for i wrote a book and it contains a lot of stuff has never been talked about anywhere and it is all true, and she sent me the book in it was Not even a real published copy, it was more like a manuscript. But it was well put together and highly readable and then the day before our interview she was like I don't know how someone knows that I'm gonna do an interview but... ...I have been warned to back off in my family's too important to me and I am not going to talk about the book." And when I heard you talk about this on Tinfoil Hat I was like hmmm

1:12:16 Maybe it could be the same person and when you said it was a female author i was like now really kind of interested in so i went back to my email on i, what's like trying to refresh my memory on this and. I still have the email i've got her name i still have the book and i clicked the link to her website and her signature, and our websites gone now. So I don't know what happened maybe she should have talked to me about that book. There's safety in being out there so they say yeah Yeah, I mean i'll tell you what man with that...I don't even think I mentioned this on Sam show so I'm in constant communication my original guests and he and I are talking and he told him and you probably heard of this

1:13:06 I don't even know how to pronounce it. I had to educate myself, apparently it's really popular. I just... stupid. The Voynich Manuscripts? Oh yeah! Are you familiar with that? Some people say Vonnick but yeah absolutely. Okay got it see I didn't know how to pronounce so the Vonnick manuscript he said his friend told him actually came from this world that his friend goes to interesting interesting Yes that is a great famous mystery it is a parchment that has no writing on it and it isn't the strange language no one recognizes and some analysts who've tried to decode it think that it is a kind of biology book some kind of like.

1:13:48 library or encyclopedia of certain herbs and stuff but a lot of it isn't recognized in the last time that was brought up on this show was when doctor steven skinner who is a really academic guy who translates. Grimoires an ancient magical text he was taking a stab at it and i think that they've released their analysis i haven't read it i just know that its out there he's the guy basically told me all you know what just those cliff notes right there but to think that it could be a book about herbs from another world. I'm interested yeah i'm interested in all this stuff man like,

1:14:30 When you operate your life off the basis of, I believe the world's very strange and i'm never going to understand it. Just that operation like...I'm just like dude let's just pursue it and see what happens. And man I just have so much fun doing this stuff! I apologize to the audience who maybe is tired of hearing my raspy voice. I'm in East Tennessee and still trying to get used to the allergies around here, so I'm losing my voice but... Yeah that's another reason why i could never go there. Allergies! They say the same thing about Hill Country and near Austin Texas they call it Cedar Fever because they have a special tree there that produces so much pollen It really fucks people up even people who've never had allergies before So if you can't invest in a five acre homestead then never be able to breathe right again these are the problems

1:15:17 that I deal with. They say that the local honey solves the whole issue and so next year, I plan on making a stride to local honey and they said that the honey just it will help your allergy so much. So I made the mistake...I have over an acre and it was very rocky and so I wasn't sure where the rocks were and in three weeks had gotten about three feet high things grow like crazy here And so instead of mowing over and destroying my mower, I weed whacked the whole thing. And I disturbed all that pollen and was just breathing it in and it just jacked me up for a few weeks.

1:15:55 Our grandfathers would just laugh and mock our silly weakness, but it is the reality. But man this has been a lot of fun real pleasure to talk to you I'm glad we could connect before i cut ya loose tell the people about the other stuff you got out there extra projects they should know about you know the deal Yeah, so the Confessionals podcast is the main gig for me where I interview people on their paranormal weird bizarre experiences military have bizarre experiences all that stuff. And then outside of that I had started Merkle Media originally it was just supposed to be a company where i It's like an LLC that I was producing other people's podcasts like I know you're familiar with Charlie Robinson from macroaggressions. I produced that podcast and

1:16:42 It turned into hey what else can we do and so now i'm doing documentaries in a very high level way. But im also looking to pursue kids cartoons comic books i'm a big fan of temple, And he talks a lot about trying to develop culture. And I'm just thinking, you know what? Listen, I'm in a very unique position that most people aren't in where I'm a full-time podcaster. I create content. Let me see if I can help create culture as well. And so I got a four year old and a one and half year old, and I want to create things that I feel as a parent could

1:17:19 put in front of my kids and they could consume it and enjoy. So I really want to start a kid's cartoon, but I don't really have the resources yet like especially...I've accessed plenty artists but when it comes to somebody who knows how to animate that that's the difficulty. But we're probably going be working on doing some comic books based off episodes like Kyle's episode 335 Dog vs Dog Man I'm also working on turning certain episodes into books. So yeah, Merkle Media is up and coming we're going to be doing a lot of different things right now we're really focused on the documentaries but moving forward we're gonna be trying to do a lot of stuff even music like we're gonna be trying to put out some music and stuff too. Damn! Wow you make me feel like i should be doing way more

1:18:03 But I appreciate your work ethic. Listen, I don't expect everything to hit. I don't expect to be successful at everything. I just don't like laying down thinking I'm not trying my hardest you know? So I've just got to go because I have these dreams these passions desires and I just act on them because... I literally feel guilty if i don't like I feel like I'm not trying my hardest in life so like My wife keeps telling me how much are going to put on your plate? And I'm like I don't really view it that way. I just viewed as pursuing fun things and As long as I am having fun its not really works so It is what it is yeah i got to adopt that attitude a bit more but you gotta great show man it was also fun talking shop with the before we started recording i got to drink and little drinking smoke a little smoking probably why i got so chatty in this one for better or worse but,

1:18:47 I'm glad we could go over some of these stories that we talked about. We barely scratched the surface because you have over 400 episodes speaking of that work ethic, but keep up the great work man and maybe I'll get to join you in the field sometime. You're more than welcome my friend and uh, well hot to have you come on my show to talk about some spooky experiences you've had Cheers. I like it. Have a good one man. All right. Oh man. Yes! Good times. Tony and I definitely got to talk and shop for a long time before we got started, and that gave me plenty of time to indulge in my indulgences... ...and get quite a bit more chatty and casual than usual so clearly i had a good time! I hope you did too

1:19:35 Most of my guests aren't podcasters or even peers so when it happens, it is fun to pregame and compare notes about how they're doing things and what systems they use because I really work in isolation here. But content wise, I was still jazzed up from Dr. Greg Little and couldn't help but inject all that into this one too And these are fun stories to talk about and tony show is built around a great premise getting these personal stories from experience first hand the don't really have anywhere else to tell their story. As opposed two researchers making there rounds on a bunch of different shows so you are bound here stuff you probably haven't heard,

1:20:18 I tried to pull out a lot of the stories that defy categorization it's not ago story is not bigfoot encounter these are weird things happening sometimes involves corporations. Sometimes it involves secret government missions to recover and now can covered crafts and then a time glitch happens, He does a really great job curating the stories so they stay weird and interesting. What we talked about today is really just sampling but we did fit in quite a bit when you try to get at what's going on it's like are cryptids and all these paranormal encounters just aspects of a single type thing? Part of me thinks so, these occurrences are rare enough that the more you try to conclude that its a bunch of different separate sources the clunkier model you end up with

1:21:08 But plasma facilitated multi-dimensional bleed over, aspects of the spiritual slash imaginal realm crossing over. In most cases it sounds right to me I'm reminded of the daemonic reality work of Patrick Harper and i find his work blended with Dr Greg Littles is about the best model that I found so far Of course, if you have stories of your own reach out to Tony or leave me a message on the THC voicemail and I'll include it in the next joint session. The more stories we can share the closer we can get to an understanding I will say though when you hear the matter of fact way that indigenous people talk about paranormal experiences it's easy to feel like our own natural state and natural environment have become so foreign to us city folks. It is partly why we have such a hard time dealing with the extremes of natural experience,

1:22:04 We have tuned into a largely artificial frequency of morning commute, eight hours of whatever drive home veg out rinse repeat. When was the last time your bare feet even touched dirt or you ate something that didn't have a wrapper or barcode on it? Or you spent a night outside without some audio visual distraction In some cases it's gotta be years. So how are we even gonna start to wrap our heads around the mysteries of the deep woods when we don't even engage? Who the hell knows, but Tony's Dogman documentary is definitely well produced it certainly shows just how much land is really out there

1:22:45 As I mentioned, doing these features is a road that I started to go down in the early days and quickly realized that the chances of me blowing the lid off something or catching that thing thats the smoking gun footage are pretty low. And the hours you have to invest just to try felt too costly for me also but you guys know me, i stick to my lane I like Tony's energy though. He is clearly very motivated to try all sorts of things and that is inspiring for me to see and makes me want to find a way to branch out more as well, just because I've put myself in the position to be able too so should have more fun with it but that is why I'm just a few days from driving out to Austin for a joint meetup with Gordon and the Rune Soup crew...and then who knows what next?

1:23:36 As always as fun as the first hour was we added a lot of other stories in the second sign up at the higher side chats dot com cash card crypto or paypal via the patrion. And all your wildest dreams will come true and this show we talked about kentucky weirdness the meat shower incident and occult activity live modern day giant encounters from tonys interviews exploring antarctica, Tony's pitch for me to move to Tennessee You know growing a food forest that's amazing i am always looking at properties and land in a couple of different areas that mean my wife would wanna live and. So often i see a house on five flat dead acres of dirt mainly in colorado is where i'm seeing this,

1:24:27 And it boggles my mind that these previous owners don't have like 30 fruit trees just in a back corner somewhere. Like what are you doing? Why did you want this land, just to be separate from everybody? Don't you want it to cultivate some kind of abundance for yourself but whatever We also talked about ritual magic spirits in the paranormal mysterious egress industries that was a wild story. And the twenty and back program all good stuff for a few odd stories around the twenty and back program but because of david willcock and corey gooden their behavior just made me doubt the whole angle of things

1:25:08 Plus, my mind always goes to why not just kill the slave labor that you pluck out of their beds in the middle of the night and then use for 20 years? What is this thing about putting them back where they were and letting them live a full life with all these memories of two decades in service on Mars. Anyway, as for other meetups besides the Austin one let's see what we got on the calendar at highersidemeetups.com June 22nd just a couple days we got the Milwaukee Metaphysical Society Meet-Up at The Beer Store in Milwaukee Oregon seems like a good time and then two days later June 24th We got the Nashville Higher Cider Happy Hour looks like that's a regular event

1:25:51 Going down at Tailgate Brewery in Nashville, Tennessee. How appropriate for this episode! And the next one I see is July 6th The Seattle THC Inquisition another recurring event at the Central Cafe in Seattle Washington So check those out Those are the next three I see If you want to have a meetup in your area if you're feeling a little lonely... ...if you just feel like you're the black sheep of your social circle well meet the other black sheep Totally free and fun. It's a great way to expand your network and meet like-minded people Hopefully I see some of you in Austin this upcoming weekend, but that's the show Tony is a fun guy glad we got to know each other A lot of people have told me that for the past maybe two years The paranormal side of THC has been lacking in the conspiracy side has been quite dominant

1:26:44 But what do you want me to do when pretty much every conspiratorial theme we've talked about for a decade has all come true in just a few short years? At the same time though, it's good to take a breather and get back to some good old unexplainable mystery. Yeah big thanks to Tony! Maybe I'll get out in the field with him sometime but until then...I'm getting out of here I've done my part. Your move, mysterious monsters underground reptilians and paranormal plasma beings. Your fucking move. When you see weird lights outside of your door Something sits on your chest when you sleep It might be a pattern You've been through before

1:27:36 Or you might have those screen memories Darling, wait till we get some proof It will make them see And baby I tried the camera right I'm not crazy How people can't get free from mysterious grace? It's getting just a bit out of hand

1:28:16 We really just want to get back on with our days Don't care about the hiberting plan So honey now, don't walk into the skinny arm No they came from the sky from out of the stars Place something on my beating heart Baby, this damn life is too bizarre I can tell when they're gone cause my memories fade But we know that it's not just a dream Cause they never put me back exactly the same way And the pain is as real as the scream Honey our goals might be the whole world

1:29:27 goal assess the theme. The higher side chats has covered all that we're breaking free. People can't get free from this disgrace, it's getting just a bit out of We really just want to get back on with our days Don't care about the hybrid in plan But for now, don't walk into their skinny arms No they came from the sky from out of the stars Play something I'm a beating heart

1:30:32 I'm shouting out loud Baby this damn life is too bizarre So honey now Don't walk into the skinny, oh No they came from the sky From out of the stars Play something on my beating heart

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