Zen Gardner | Expatriating, Jade Helm, & The American Breakdown

00:00 You have one new message. Yo, Greg! It's your boy Mike... Massachusetts Dude honestly Your podcast is like one of the most important things to ever happen to me Like seriously I'm in school. I work full-time, and I've listened to so much of the information on your podcast. And not that it's taught me new things or programmed me to think a different way... So much as it has deprogrammed me from the indoctrination that I've grown up with for the last 16, 17 years. 18 years whatever and dude I think that's more important than anything because i hear this information and dude I take it with a grain of salt some stuff really really resonates with me especially magic cuz I know that's all legit and I'm totally down

00:48 So it's good to deprogram man. I've been putting so many people on the like better trains of thoughts mainly around my age, I tutor a 10 year old kid and I slip little things in here and there and he's like wow that's fascinating! That's amazing they don't teach us that in school and I don't get too fringe or crazy because that's not fair to him or The parent you know what? I'm saying man It just-it's all about finding a common thread that you can pique someone's interest in and then just injecting some dope truth into it. And dude, I need to thank you! Dude, you're a hero! You are really doing something very good for the people that find this more so than anyone else that i've seen of course you gotta give your interviewees credit but... You're a good man Greg! I really appreciate it Hireside Plus subscription was the best thing I ever did Peace love & happiness my G1

01:43 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats How we doing Irish Sideshatters? Drinking a little drink, smoking a little smoke and just looking for some relief in these troubled times. From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and although conspiracy culture has been screaming about impending doom like an old white overweight chicken little there is an ebb and flow to these feelings and i think were currently going through a period where tensions are high and paranoia's making it come back

02:32 And I'm not saying it's unfounded either. Spend an hour on the dozens of blogs dedicated to shining a spotlight on police in America right now and tell me you don't feel like hiding under the floorboards if god forbid they start banging on your door! Well today we're not only going to talk about how bad things are getting but also explore something that we haven't talked about much since an old, old show with Jeff Berwick... But thats the idea of expatriating Of recognizing that the elite's agenda in your neck of the woods seems to be ramping up, or the recognition that martial law or an economic collapse is on its way. Or you don't want to be exposed to all the poisons of modern culture? OR if maybe you just don't want to pay taxes that contribute to the biggest war machine on the planet! For some people these reasons and more are enough to say I'm going live my life elsewhere

03:13 And Zen is a man who did exactly that. So why waste any more time? Let's dive into it, people! Park your ass and pack your glass and let the fantasy of your little tropical paradise far from martial law in the totalitarian tiptoe be your guide as we spend some time with a man who has made it happen and has lived to tell the tale... Zen Gardner. Here's a chance to run down the rabbit hole He's asking who is really running this show Pull back the curtain and take a peek, puppet masters play hide-and-seek Not a sunny walk to their own back, red lights look weird on the higher side chast

04:03 Alright folks, we know the elite have many campaigns going against the people from false flags and psyops to the push towards martial law in World War 3. Today were talking to Zen Gardner who writes about these things and more on his powerhouse of a website at zengardner dot com where he focuses on empowering humanity raising the consciousness level and dismantling some old manipulated mindsets In a conspiracy culture of fear mongering drama and angry shouting I like that Zen will take you to the dark side with a smile on his face I couldn't be more psyched to have him here. Zen Gardener, my man welcome to THC! Hey thanks Greg i'm really happy to be here yeah this is going to be a lot of fun thanks for taking the time i really like your style and there's definitely a lot going on right now in the world that deserves to be discussed but i figured to get the ball rolling i'm little bit curious about the journey and process that you underwent to become an expat get out of america and relocate a little further from the hive

04:56 Can you tell us a little bit about yourself in that context for some of the people who might be stuck in the American bubble and kind of daydreaming about similar steps? It's hard not to these days, right? Oh, you're not kidding. Everybody has got to keep things in mind. One of the shocking statistics that really blows my mind is only 7% of Americans even have passports. Isn't that staggering? Yeah, that's pretty much it. Talk about not being prepared and anybody listening if you don't have your passport Don't wait any longer because it's only gonna get more and more difficult they've worked their jack in the prices I mean They've got that big old RFID thing inside of it But you can put it inside of a protective jacket where It won't broadcast or get picked up. You can get those online

05:41 But yeah, well I'm from the Woodstock generation and actually I was there. Awesome! What a wild ride but our generation had this big wake up and shake up in the 60s now this was derailed by and partially brought on by that the CIA another other psyops and misdirecting what could have been more productive demonstration and fighting the war into a drug and sex culture. They kind of neutralized a lot of the momentum. Exactly, but before you knew it...

06:21 You know all of a sudden it was stylish and you saw the bell-bottoms on TV And they just co-opted the whole thing. It just made it shallow, and then you find Jerry Rubin working on Wall Street All these guys are just back into this system They so called rebelled against anyway So we had to big a big shake up in a big wakeup and for me? It was mainly spiritual because this got me onto the past that path the path of mysticism and Really searching for answers, answers to the big questions. Without those answers I don't know how people can keep operating because nothing makes sense and then you're forced to play their game according to their rules and all inside of their paradigm and it's a treadmill until we pass on which is definition of insanity so that set me on the path as result of that I ended up...I knew America was crashing

07:13 way back then a lot of us did and we could see it for what it really was the police state was already already manifesting quite strongly and you know, the military industrial complex as Eisenhower labeled it which was up You know a phrase used amongst the alternatives at that day. It still is and still it's very apt So I decided to get out of there and I spent 20 years. I think I left in 1972 but twenty years I visited about 40 countries and lived for a good length of time in at least 17 or 18 of them. So I really experienced the countries, I wasn't a tourist that gave me an advantage to getting used to being in other cultures and realizing that the American bubble is what it is And now its even worse than it was back then Honestly when they got to Europe

08:02 in my little hippie garb of the day, and I felt like such an idiot because Americans were so... They couldn't speak the other languages. They stuck out sore thumbs and I felt like oh my goodness what did I just come out of? But that wears off. Ten of those years I was in Latin America So I know Latin America to some extent. I've lived in several countries down here And I'm currently in Uruguay which has a lot of advantages But each person has to be looking for what suits their needs, visa requirements. How you intend on supporting yourself and things like that but first of all get your passport and go somewhere if you haven't been out of the country at all go to Mexico

08:45 I mean, you can start with Puerto Rico although that's still America but at least you get the sense of something outside of the main bubble which I call a gulag now. But get out there and go further! Go to Central America, Costa Rica they call it the 51st state its got a lot of American influence But it's still, you get the third world flavor and the crazy driving. And you're bathed in a new language and it's wonderful then you get down to the continental South America and every culture, every country is completely unique from I lived in Venezuela then you go next to Colombia completely different feel. Then you move further down, you've got Ecuador which is very popular place to go because of the cost of living and there's a lot of expats there

09:32 And then Peru and Chile, and then you've got a whopping Brazil which is a whole other world. Then on down you've got Paraguay at the bottom, Argentina... All of these are unique cultures! The further south you go just to give a little overview for people who haven't ever been down here in American education completely lacking in all this But Argentina and Uruguay are very European, except for them speaking Spanish. You wouldn't even know it was a Latin country almost. They came from ... Well they're coming mainly from Spain and Italy here, a lot of them from the Canaries. And then as you know after World War II a lot of Germans came down.

10:17 Germans, but you had a lot of English move down here. So there's a lot of subcultures of older European sort of not dynasties but lines family lines and You can see it! You'll see blonds and very fair-skinned people then you see other people that are more Mediterranean looking And of course when the good old European and North American came down here, they wiped out the indigenous populations. It's just absolute horror! There is hardly any of them left in Uruguay. They had a beautiful culture. Seems to be what we do? Yes it seems to be in the script

10:55 But I would say go and explore. It's worth it, spend the money. Go and spend even three months somewhere and just live there and find a friend. What I look for in my personal life path – and I'm happy now that I am free to do this – is follow synchronicity, follow life signs We all get them, but if you're nailed down to a job or you've got all these criteria. Or you have preset notion of what's supposed to happen in your life and what do you think is going to unfold in front of you? That's gonna hang you up because you gotta be willing to move.

11:33 You know the picture Barry Sanders running through the defense. You know he doesn't predetermine where he's gonna Go you might have an idea what to play is but he's really got to be agile He's got to be ready to move Shake and bake, you know And do it needs to be done off-the-cuff? and it's pretty it's very much like that and it's going to be more and more so as things continue to unravel I And those who are in tune with this type of following life signs and synchronicities, and are in tune with that are gonna be fine. Those who aren't it's gonna unravel and its not gonna be a very pretty sight because spiritually we've hit a great divide I'm sure many of your listeners know exactly what I am talking about the people have hardened their minds and hearts are getting worse and uglier and more adamant

12:22 Sucked right into the police state mindset whereas the others are going man. I'm out of here You know this is this is absolutely a berserk and let's set up an alternative community Let's at least find each other Let's get something going let's work on the new world because I don't even want to talk about how bad that old world Is it's it's horrific? I mean we need to keep up on what's going on, but right like you said in the beginning though fear porn That's really it's a it's an awful thing and it really leaks into every even in the alternative community. That's why I always end my articles on A positive note, you know that we haven't we have empowerment We are eternal consciousness nothing can stop us not even death if we have everything to be very confident and very peaceful about very happy about while on the same token

13:10 We get absolutely pissed off and indignant at some of these things happening in the news. That's okay, that's righteous indignation but when it's leading your Emotions and you get hooked into a negative mindset then that that's that's not healthy Which is where all this political? Razzmatazz comes from I wrote an article called The Anger Games on How they lure people into this, like what's happening now in Baltimore. Even the mainstream is saying that these gangs came in from somewhere else on the last day and made a peaceful protest a mess. agents provocateurs coming in as they love to do and make everybody bring up the same old scenario. We have seen a lot of that, you know I've paid close attention to the Ferguson protests and seeing what's happening with that because it is kind of near where i grew up And yeah, only takes... You have a crowd of 100 people It only takes one or two To start throwing bricks Or being violent Then that becomes the news story And you could be talking about 1 guy out of 100 Yeah

14:12 And often you see them step right through the from behind the police lines with the police They'll step through in their black outfits The cop doesn't even talk to him lets him through and they walk into the crowd and start doing there. They're busting up stuff I mean it's been caught as that's one really cool thing happening if people are Are catching these things live, and they're out on the net within an hour mm-hmm but all that to say It is important to keep in mind if you need to get out of the country, where would you go? That also lends back to having a community around you. You've gotta contact people of like minds. I'm working on something called The Full Circle Project now that's gonna have a community connector that's gonna be secure where you can find others near you to get in touch because

15:00 So much of our communication is cyber chatter, and that's one reason I'm going to England next month. And we're gonna be having some meetings and some events and some planning for this full circle project because it's time to get out there, it's time to connect. It's time to make real face-to-face connections because when things start to crumble we really need each other physically as well spiritually and mentally but we're gonna need to be in touch and we need to have contingency plans because I was saying on another interview

15:38 Just recently, when I was in Iran during the revolution. Wow! I was working at the TV station and my third child was due to be born And because my wife was nine months pregnant, they wouldn't let us get on a plane to get out of there. So we had to sit and wait as things got worse and worse. Khomeini hadn't come yet but it was before he came that the real mess happened in southern Tehran was getting burned down. We watched convoys of military going down the street and all they would do is click their microphone speaker kick.

16:13 Click and you'd hear echo, echo. And there's like this death march heading down to the south and people were getting slaughtered and you'd hear machine gun fire and the bank on our corner got burned down all the theaters got burned down. We lived right near the university where it started and we were getting warnings under our door because we're foreigners. If you're in that environment and a country is breaking down and then martial law gets declared on top of it It is nothing you could even begin to understand or fathom. It is worse than being in an earthquake, I was in the Northridge earthquake and after that all the lights were out, you don't know what happened, what roads are closed? How bad is it? Is that the pre-tremor to a worst earthquake and all those things then then there's the

17:04 That that's bad, but the difference there is people tend to pull together It's not a societal breakdown when you have martial law and these kind of crazy things going on People get in this survival mode and they only care about themselves And the only people they trust are people that they can talk to but what happens is the phone lines go down. I See, it's all rumors and neighbors are talking to neighbors. Did you hear this? Did you hear that? Then at nighttime, you hear the machine guns going off then the phones come on then the phones go off electricity is on, electricity is I mean, it is a frightening scenario if you're not rooted in some real sense of conscious. Yeah and also a conscious awareness that you've got that untouchable space so you can operate from a place of peace and confidence but its very different even from post-earthquake scenario even though those are terrible and you don't know what's going to happen

18:02 But when society breaks down and it gets to that kind of a thing, and believe me when they pull the plug on America which they're obviously poised to do. And you've got all this Jade Helm stuff going on just looks like they're teeing everything up. When they have these kinds of operations they love to go live and nobody even seems to notice that they were doing something right when it happened like all the false flags But people are onto this, as you know. This Jade Helm thing really has people alarmed because this is a broad operation and

18:39 You know, activists are very concerned because we know our names are on their lists and you know they're gonna come knocking on your door. Exactly that is a concern it is I Know you've been writing about that a little bit lately And I wanted to get into that for people who might not be familiar with the Jade Helm term yet if they haven't been Looking on the alternative websites can you give a little bit of context for that? It is a pretty scary situation it seems well It's a massive operation I'm not thoroughly versed in all the details, but it covers a lot of states. They're mainly targeting ... It seems the more threatening to the establishment states like Texas and I think Utah is in the crosshairs. But they're also ... It's covering a whole range of those southeastern into the midwestern states.

19:30 But there's also operations going on up in the north. I think it's Wyoming or Montana, they just conducted a weapon of mass destruction drill and these are going on in communities that don't know what's going on. Or Jacksonville ... Not Jacksonville but in Florida they were doing night exercises with hardly any warning then part of the Jade Helm thing is they're gonna have unmarked military amongst the people. And so-called drill, now the excuse that they've been giving is that well we're preparing for you know the situation in the Middle East, so this is helping us but when does a military dress and civilian clothes in the Middle East? I mean give me a break as usual their story never makes any sense but it's a massive operation and its going to go on from July to September something like that or so they are saying

20:28 But the potential, and they're moving in all kinds of military equipment. There's a video online yesterday somebody went up I-15 towards Barstow for all Californians you know where that is it's on the way to Las Vegas from Los Angeles and he videoed it out in the desert that is normally completely abandoned there are thousands of Humvees all kinds of personnel carriers Just loaded with equipment you telling me that's that's gonna be going overseas. That's for domestic use But you know just just an unreal amount of equipment and people are reporting this kind of activity all over Yeah, and you know again don't let it inspire fear but alertness and awareness We really have to be you know

21:17 on our toes. It's very important, but not afraid." The element that I feel is probably most concerning is you alluded to the idea that they have a lot of people on a watch list and you did write about the fact that in the past during the Cold War there was some documents that have been leaked since then that showed that as of April 1956 almost 13 thousand people were scheduled for apprehension in an emergency and you know that's pretty concerning. Now we hear the NSA has been gathering more and more data on us, You'd assume that list is a lot bigger probably a lot more efficient And some people are worried about that list in this Jade Helm context because if they're going to be out on the streets

22:05 What are they doing? Some people think that the real agenda is to infiltrate and then take those people who have guns, lock them up. Take those people who were doing shows like we're doing, lock them up And yeah, that's where it gets to be a little bit concerning And what a perfect cover. Oh, this isn't the live operation but they go ahead and do it while everybody's unprepared, they're off balance, they're on their heels. They're not saying this is martial law we're coming for you so that everybody gets chance to get prepared they gonna oh we're just doing a drill but when I mean put yourself in the shoes of these totalitarian psychopaths how would you play the game? Wouldn't you go about it that way? You try to get them off guard. You would do everything

22:53 With total deceit, which they consider a fair game of course and always have. Total misleading you try to get if you're in like a boxing match You know like rope-a-dope or something? You'll get the other guy just to get worn out or just get him to relax It's okay We're just we're just sparring were just sparring and then wham You take them out. So people need to realize this is how these people operate, we can't judge these by normal criteria and that's a very big subject because that's why a lot of people don't believe that there is a they as I say, that there is a cabal, that these corporations and governments and banksters are all coordinated in their effort to control subjugate and even eliminate much of humanity. These people are insane

23:40 And people think, well I'm not like that. I can't even fathom somebody being like that it can't be that bad Well that's how to get away with it because they aren't like us This is a very different type of being we're dealing with whether you know the Christians called demonic possession The Muslims have a word for these things called jinn these demons You know then there's the Gnostic teachings about the archons and these mental parasites Whichever paradigm, they all point to the same thing. These people are driven by something else and that will not make sense according to a normal loving human being. In fact they can't even fathom it.

24:22 until they see it happen, which is the story you read through the ages. It wasn't until the Holocaust after Holocaust whether it's China or Armenia Palestine Cambodia people come out and go I didn't know humans could be this savage and I didn't think anything could be this evil and they're shocked for life that's why you see Eastern Europeans don't have much expression on their faces They've been through a very heavy strong-handed upbringing. And if they didn't go through these past regimes themselves, then their parents did it. It really instills a very sad mindset in these people. You bring up a great issue of is there really a they? Is there really group that's working together or are they little pockets of power that are fighting for control and a great example

25:17 that in the Jade Helm context is Walmart. There's a lot of Walmarts that are closing suddenly for plumbing issues and a lot of people have tried to connect this to Jade Helms saying, look they are emptying huge buildings these are huge warehouses across the country that could be used for makeshift detention centers and it's scary but then on the other hand people were like well would Walmart participate in that? And its like probably probably they don't seem to treat their own employees all that well you think the gonna care about the strangers out there. Yeah apparently they're using targets in canada getting targets prepared and also a home depots involved these are very very serious developments

26:02 People have also talked about underground trains between some of these centers, and we've known about underground bases and underground tunnels for a long time. This is very serious stuff but people have gone tried to get into these Home Depots I don't know if you've seen some of these videos because I'm in that home depot's the Walmarts because some of them have kept their pharmacies open So if you go in to get to the pharmacy, they've got the whole inside walled off with stacks of shelves. You can't see a thing and there's cops on every corner of the building now There's plumbing issues Why do you need police? Police watching the place and besides that there wasn't a single sound there wasn't this I sight of any repair trucks or

26:47 And people looked online for even work orders, for plumbing for these Walmarts. And there's nothing! So it's complete BS. Something very strange is going on I think it's important to kind of draw it all together and go okay this is serious stuff. Yeah... I've been saying this for years when the trouble is when it starts to come down really fast It's a little late to call the shots you're gonna be forced to put on the defensive Which is one of the reasons we got out of there. And I've said to people, you know if you can, I would highly suggest like they say he that fights and runs away lives the fight another day. I'm not gonna give up ever doing what I do but this way I can keep going. I've got a place and all my kids know where they can come if they have to hop a plane

27:37 And can to get out of there. I'm prepared for them and we've got a lot We've got eight kids and 16 grandkids between us so that's a very big concern of ours Wow, you know quite the passal huh? Yeah It's it's two marriages but um it's very serious is very serious and at the very least people need to prepare in place they and like I said I think community And having a communications line is extremely important. People are working with ways to keep the internet going locally that goes through its own little network and bypasses the central servers, which is very good. You've seen those?

28:17 Well, I've definitely seen the internet go down at crucial times during any kind of revolution or any kind of pushback. You gotta assume that would happen here so it's best to be prepared and try to get yourself some kinda network that won't go down stuck together with hot glue and popsicle sticks that'll at least be a way to communicate when shit really hits the fan. Yeah! And apparently its pretty straightforward way to do it its within a limited range There's another method that people have been working with is having thumb drive drop-off places. You know, the little holes in the wall or removable brick and everybody knows so if you need to pass information and it's really ... Because what's going to happen? They're going to say no gathering in the streets more than two or three people. It was this way here in Uruguay only 30 years ago when they had a fascist state.

29:09 Argentina, and they had disappearing people. They had a whole stadium full of people where they were torturing them and rounding up mainly students and professors and the intelligentsia who was so against that fascist takeover. So people in these countries have seen it, and they take it very seriously. You can see it on the faces of the older generation. They've been through some real hell. But Americans have never seen squat. That's why one of the reasons 9-11 worked so well, oh my God we got hit! Well look at the devastation you wreaked on the rest of the world damn it. You know like they say if God doesn't punish America he has to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah as Christians say. And Americans might say well I didn't do anything. Well I'm sorry but your complicit

29:56 by paying your taxes and by not standing up against it. And by waving the flag and attending the football game that glorifies violence, always the military there, they roll out these poor vets to honor them and then they treat em like crap rest of the time. They can't get their benefits and these poor kids have been so horrifically wounded if they're still alive. I mean it's just a travesty but they glorify them all this uniforms and all this BS to make it look like, look how we care. These are the people fighting for freedom. They're cannon fodder. They're not fighting for freedom. They're fighting for the cabal, for global control. They're using that to destroy sovereignty, break down nations just like they doing with immigration in the US, just wearing it down, wearing it down, diluting

30:47 I wrote a piece called The Serpentine Stealth of the Long Range Planners, showing how this intergenerational plan that's been going for thousands of years is the same story over and over. But now with the technological advances So-called advances that's debatable They think they've got a shot to really get the whole globe under their iron fist. So this is their last hurrah Yeah, and I don't think they can pull it off because it's completely anti everything natural It's anti everything that love at anti everything that the creative source of the universe represents This is something playing out its its ugly ugly wrath we don't know what's going to happen but

31:30 It's a it can't last. Oh yeah, completely agree and I wish we could live lives more like the life you're living i think its really sad its real shame that they have convinced people that a life that isn't on the same island as you is worth this much You know an American life is gonna be worth more. They've got everybody playing this patriotic game Which to me is like kind of just an update from the religion mind-control program, you know If you're not a Jew, you're going to hell if you're not a Christian, you're going to hell if you're not a Muslim You're going to hell and now they got an update where well if you're not on the geographical location Of us then you're not worth as much And it's a real shame I would love to see

32:10 Us able to just move freely around the world everybody consider themselves part of the human family and just like you said You've been to 40 countries lived in 18 1718 of them and gotten pretty familiar That's a life that I think a lot of people want to have but they're stuck to a nine-To-five job They've got their roots here. They have no knowledge of what's outside because school isn't concerned with facilitating your adventurous, enjoyable life around the globe. They want you to just get into a corporate job so they don't care if you don't know what it's like in South America or Argentina and they don't they don't care so unless you really are going to take a leap seriously but faith and can go against all of

32:54 authority figures you've had in your life, it's gonna be tough. But yeah I wish we could live more like you and I did want to ask you in terms of the pollution, I have heard you say that pollution and exposure to all these wireless signals were a big part of why you decided to move can you kind of elaborate on that little bit for people? And also kinda curious if you feel noticeably different or better where you are now? Okay can you hold that thought because I really wanna answer it but what you just said about people being stuck Because you can feel really helpless. It might seem like a huge leap from where you're at to the freedom that I'm experiencing, but it didn't happen overnight for me. It takes a long time to get rid of crap. It takes a long time to let go of stuff

33:42 get rid of any banking obligations except for minimal use, getting everything out of the system. Closing up whatever you have to in those types of obligations and just getting rid of stuff. Stuff really holds people back. I mean look how many storage units you see in California. And stuff they never even see that go there and well I got my stuff there like George Carlin's got a great routine on this But you can start, an expression I use very often is the boat has to be in motion for the rudder to take effect. People are sitting in this boat and thinking well it's not moving or I have to decide where I'm going first

34:29 Well, if you really trust in the universe and at least you're going to get out there and find your way. You've got a push offshore and that's when the rudder will kick in. You gotta be moving! And those... That movement doesn't have to be jumping the border tomorrow it that movement can be getting ready If your really serious about being prepared Start getting you know be prepared for a new life besides being prepared for what's about to come down And that's the way to do it. You don't just eliminate eliminate eliminate I mean, I can't believe how many credit cards some people have I can't believe How many you know how much crap? How many how much equipment they never use I mean just drive around and look at yard sales in the United States Yeah It's obscene

35:14 Or another thing, especially when you live outside the country. You really see the contrast but you go down any one of these suburban layouts and on a Saturday morning The guy's got the garage door open and he's working on his stuff And he's got these three to five thousand dollar drawers just for his tools that doesn't include the price of all his craftsmen and other Stuff he's gotten He's got one of everything because he might need it Then he's got the super shop vac and the generator and the pressure washer. He's washing his car, another car, a boat, jet ski. They just go play with their stuff on the weekend but every house has the same equipment! Why doesn't one guy on the block

36:00 He's the steward of the equipment everybody uses it every can't see how much money you can save and help somebody else I mean, it's insane in a bit. That said that they bred that into society this Consumerism the whole thing the guy with the most toys when he dies wins kind of thing And it's it's it's a disease and you cannot fight it in your own strength You really can't you have to become aware of it first consciously and spiritually Set some set some real directions such a spiritual compass first. Anyway, this leads me to what how you view America when you're outside of America? Mm-hmm one at one one of those things is people live very frugally I mean, I can't believe people can survive here They've got 100% markup on anything imported and the people do not make that much money they got the same problem the super rich and

36:50 Not so big middle class but a lot of people that are really just getting by. Even though they may have less financial means to work with you feel like life might be a bit more fulfilling? Well it is except they fall for the propaganda too and they think they're missing out, they watch American television translated into Spanish all these same BS Shows that are on there which by the way is another thing to give up turn off the damn TV Even if you think you understand what with what you're seeing and you're aware of the bad influences You are getting programmed. You're getting your spirit drained turn the damn thing off it is really as a disastrous has a disastrous effect on people and similar to you asked about Wi-Fi

37:36 It's funny, after we got here it took about... We were really tired and feeling strange and I was having weird dreams. And we landed in this cute little cottage in the middle of the woods that we rented online which you can do folks! You can go online and find a place You can find an expat who has a property somewhere and they're willing to rent you their place. You can talk to them on Skype, get references, meet these people through expat blogs which I was going to get too but that's how we found out about these countries is look for Ecuador expat blogs

38:12 Chile expat blogs and you can start corresponding, and they'll be happy to help you. Here we've helped a lot of people who have landed and gotten in touch somehow And there's quite a terrific local expat community I'm in a small town but they're all these towns in Uruguay They get together once a month and talk and have potluck parties and compare notes and help each other As new people arrive There's certain people, if they've got a car. I don't have one but other people they'll drive them around and get them used to the area and introduce them what the customs are like because the simplest thing can seem absolutely mind boggling you know? How much do tip people when or why is this guy clean the windshield without my asking how much do I give him? Or little things that sort of

39:05 You want to be able to sort of melt into the culture. And that's another thing, people who come here and start bitching and complaining about ... Because the lines go so slow in a supermarket which is because people talk. They know each other. They've got kids in the same school. They're friendly and they're not in a hurry. Then the expats who don't belong here invariably leave. are the ones who bitch and complain about so slow, or people do this or people do that. And they do not respect the culture. They did not respect the change of environment. They just try to bring America here and we're happy to see them go. Do not bring America with you wherever you go."

39:44 for goodness sake. Anyway, so it took us about six months of this strange feeling and we realized we were detoxing from the states and Wi-Fi was a big part of it because like for example, we have one daughter she's in the building in Texas, in Dallas and on the side of her building are 11 smart meters flush up against her living room. And she's one of four buildings in a row, at the same end of the buildings have all the smart meters so within and there's 40 smart meters within 50-60 feet of our house. Meanwhile if you go online when you see all the possibilities for Wi-Fi come up it just keeps extending down your screen everybody has got their own Wi-Fi going on that's intensifying another signal

40:38 Then you drive around the massive towers. I mean, massive towers and where are they? They're on schools, they're on hospitals. They couldn't be more nefariously placed because these people are well aware that it is having a damaging effect on the human condition. It's in their research and if anybody wants to learn more about Wi-Fi, I suggest you look up a man named Barry Trower. I think it's T-R-O-W-E-R British intelligence and was the guy who found out that the reason Americans were getting leukemia and super serious illnesses in the embassy in Moscow years, probably 50 years ago.

41:20 was because they had a huge microwave beam coming out of the building next door going into the embassy. And so he started studying about frequencies and he realized that these cell phones were put on the exact frequency of the human brain when they didn't need to be, there's plenty of other frequencies but they put it right I think at 75 hertz whatever it is, but they put it right on that so it has the most damaging effect. Their concern is the opposite you'd think they would at least do something to help mitigate some of these things but nope they amplify these negative effects and a lot of these wifi towers I don't know how much your listeners are aware of it if you see right there in San Diego where's that plaza?

42:10 There's a plaza right near the bridge when you're coming out of Del Mar over on the land side. And if you see three big flagpoles there, notice they're completely cylindrical all the way from up to down. They don't taper but they put flags on top. Those are not flagpoles these are broadcast antennas. We see a lot of that too with their making them look like palm trees now Yeah! All kind... They do Joshua trees they do them yeah.. They're nasty and the closer they are they say if they're within a mile and a half

42:47 of a young girl, younger than 13 it will affect her ovaries so much that within two generations she's going to have defective children. in her family. That's the slow burn, you know they don't do it right away and it is a shame there are so many poisons and at least American society cell phones chemtrails GMOs just general pollution It's really hard to pinpoint a source but you would say that you feel a lot healthier not being around the multitude of poisons we got here? Oh, definitely. Now they have problems here there's a big deal going on they've detected how much glyphosate is in the water in that within the county I'm in and people are complaining and just had a town meeting about it the other day Monsanto is coming in with big guns so they've got Monsanto and Sargenta let's see if you get the Cargill

43:46 They have subsidiaries, you won't see them on Santo name. On some of these fields where they're proudly boasting where they get their agri products but it's ... They're coming in strong with GMO foods here. You might've read about how bad it is in Argentina. They got a whole town that sick next to a big GM field that just horribly sick and the Latins are not aware yet of the seriousness of this. They don't have, you know they're more laid back but they're really less informed and I'm working with other people here to get better networking on the Spanish websites. Actually wrote a letter to the president here about GMOs and EMFs and geoengineering and handed it to him when he came to an event in our town

44:40 It was four pages. I came at it very gently, you've probably seen him in the news he's the one who drives a little Volkswagen and he's a wild hare. He dresses funky but he is not the president anymore but this is really cool stuff. But as a natural man he didn't go for all the rigmarole. He was more of philosopher than he was real political leader, so a lot of things happened that were really not good at all during his term because the corporations just ran riot all over him and his administration. And I had it professionally translated and gave it to him. And I don't know what the effects were they said he'd get back to me but he didn't but I'm probably going to publish in the local paper and see what the fallout is

45:27 But people need to be informed here. They are happier in a really foundational way, they're simple their lives are simple they walk slowly kids walk to school even they go home at night there's no fear in the street when I was in Texas before I came here people would not even let their children walk to the corner which is inside of their house by themselves to get the school bus they're so freaked out I see that all the time. is radiation, Fukushima radiation. Even so many years later apparently it's affecting the US West Coast still to a pretty severe degree but it's just not talked about on the news no one's gonna let anybody know so when everybody just gets sick and gets cancer it's like oh well could have been anything but I think you've stayed on this radiation thing a little bit its still problem wouldn't you say?

46:34 Oh yeah, big time. It's another one of these very surreal Orwellian facts in front of us which contributes to this overload which is causing people just shut down they don't want to talk about anything because one thing leads to another and they know that subconsciously but even more so subconsciously But someone just sent me an article that you know they're poisoning our radio Fukushima is killing our oceans And geoengineering is killing all of our plants and animals. What's going to happen to us? It's that dire. Geoengineeringwatch.org, Dane Wigington

47:16 He's a good friend of mine. It's a great site if you want to get great materials on chemtrails and HAARP, the overarching program and have articles that are very well researched and presented to show others to help open their eyes to this phenomenon. But it's geoengineeringwatch.org But he's, Dane incessantly is on this. He's one of the most tireless and committed people I know. He doesn't see us having much more time if this keeps going because they've completely broken the weather. The cycles are all screwed up and now even the ocean cycles are starting to change which is gonna even more drastically affect the weather but also the fishing industry which has already been devastated in the Pacific

48:07 They're not reporting it, which is why people have a hard time believing it. But they need to go to good websites. Rents.com is a great site for updates – regular updates on the Fukushima radiation. not so much the Fukushima thing, but it tied in we were talking about Jade Helm. It tied that into The Gulf oil spill which I thought was a little weird and I think it was originally written by Dave Hodges from the Common Sense Show another great place to get information But you had elaborated on it and you were talking about this guy This Peter Sutherland guy apparently he

48:49 left BP for Goldman Sachs just a year before the oil spill. Then Goldman Sachs and Transocean instituted a put option on Transocean stock and made a lot of money, 270 million apparently before the explosion. And now this very same guy Peter Sutherland is in charge of... he's the director of the UN Migration Council He's a trilateral commission guy, Bilderberg guy former head at the World Trade Organization And the reason I bring that up is because with this Jade Helm thing, a lot of people are saying that UN troops

49:25 are playing a role in this and that when we really are put under martial law, a lot of it might be UN troops as opposed to our own military. I don't know it seems like there's a lot of connections between the guys that are causing massive disasters going through the revolving door making a lot of money in the banking sector and then going through the revolving door again and now they're in charge of some potentially big false flag rollout again. Yeah its perfectly said Greg you summed up really well I mean, these characters David Sutherland if anybody's not familiar with the name Google it. I wrote an article called Who Let The Hordes Out back when this migration obvious ... It's not immigration its migration. This is engineered migration into the US that's happening in Europe too of other cultures to dilute the cultural identity cause friction

50:20 Cause economic chaos, it's like a witch and their brew putting in all the nasty stuff. But this guy he is nasty to the bone but when you see the shift from these these positions so unabashedly. It's wide open news, you'll see it even on mainstream stories and they'll consider that good credentials. Oh he was at BP and Goldman Sachs? And he worked at who? Now he is the head of this migration commission! Well certainly he is a trusted authority, must know what he's doing. These are working for the globalist agenda I mean, look at the TTP going on now. It's the same thing. It's eliminating sovereign control over just about everything via corporate connectivity and corporate deals which are gonna be completely protected

51:07 Again, breaking down those barriers. So for the UN to have to go enforce what the US is agreeing to come under in these UN agendas which will include gun control and that one's almost through it'll include internet control this is where they're moving and then who's gonna enforce it? Well, the UN and guess who the UN forces are well let's meld the American military with the UN since we're all on the same team And you might have noticed, there's that ... Well there are a lot of big bases in San Diego but You notice they don't wear this brown khaki uniforms anymore a lot of that. They were blue Mm-hmm Yeah, you notice that that's a very obvious sign that that's the that's the UN color I mean you're not if you're not very well camouflaged in the desert with a blue outfit or anywhere You know what? That's that's not camel right that is but here that is just uniform This is this is this is a signal

52:08 That's how they're working, but you're really right about this. Yeah the way Dave Hodges pulled that together was really good. It's a nasty plan but you can read their documents and then Agenda 21 ties in and Codex Alimentarius, all these programs that they've launched since well They started back in the 60s and 50s with a club of Rome and stuff But especially in the 90s they've been starting then there was this big agreement The Rio summit and I guess it never you know all these things that people say oh well There's a little bit of a complaint but then he'd always said these things are converging. Mm-hmm And that's what that's what they're shooting for

52:45 Well, you know you mentioned the migration the multicultural campaign. I do hear a lot more researchers talking about this aspect of The Big Plan and i do get it how that can create problems but to me if UN troops lock me up I can't do much about that. If the economy collapses that would screw me pretty bad too but a campaign of multiculturalism only really works if you buy into the idea A person or another culture is gonna be a threat to you. You know if we don't let them turn us against each other and we remain apart of the human family first, We shouldn't have a whole lot of problems with multiculturalism. Well it's not the culture that is the issue its

53:30 The effect on people who see it that way is for one, the anger agenda. But more than anything it's economic because while it's breaking down social structure, like a community. There's people moving away from communities not because they dislike Latins but it's not what they had and they're getting bussed in by the government It's not that these people are getting absorbed naturally like what happened in most of California for example or Texas. It wasn't...it's not a big deal there isn't all this cultural strife People get along fine

54:08 But this thing is being forced, especially a lot of young people and it's breaking the school system. Obviously they want votes for the next campaign that's gonna break the healthcare system. It's meant to break the system and anybody who has a hang up about cultures obviously that's not it but it's called multiculturalism on one level but its more migration, moving in moving in large populations into economic structures that can't handle it. And as a result, it's causing racism because people say you are ruining my lifestyle I lost my job or my community can't afford to give housing to people anymore because of the new programs or it's like when a rich person comes in and buys a property for three times the price and everybody has to pay three times the price for the next things

55:06 It really screws things up, and that's the plan. It's to dilute. Dilute, dilute, break down... There is a concept called entropy where In science, it's the breaking down of something complicated. It's let's say energetic into its most distilled form and what you do is you use the energy like when things burn it's an entropic process or gives off heat. What's happening in society? It's very entropic and also these attacks on humanity through radiation, Wi-Fi

55:47 genetic modification, it's breaking down the natural complexity and that the natural structure into these more simple simpler less complex structures in order to to siphon off the energy. There's a spiritual part of that, but there is also societal part of that when society gets broken down and it's just survival you know and it loses its complexity in the beauty of you know their open expression because people are operating from fear and from scarcity and all these things

56:25 I don't know if I'm being clear, but this concept that's the same thing with the EMFs. It has an entropic effect on humanity and our various cells in our DNA. like thermonuclear and greater than that energy inside of each of us that can constantly help repair, if we give it good fuels and stay in the right attitude. We can help repel and keep rebuilding the natural processes which are infinitely powerful but people who aren't aware of that they're not awake they're going to break down and work it that's why

57:03 zombie meme, even the DHS was using it for training. Because humans and those who aren't getting it and they keep eating this crap food and the chemtrails and everything else are going to morph and that is their design so like you said its long term we're not gonna see it right away The same thing with radiation. Radiation sickness manifests in a whole array of ways, it can cause heart attacks, it can cause diabetes, high blood pressure, respiratory problems and if doesn't mean your thyroid starts pulsing you know and glows. A radiation sickness is very permeating disease

57:48 permeating effect. So people along the West Coast, they say well no I don't see that many getting sick. Well if you get into the deeper statistics the amount of miscarriages and stillborns has skyrocketed it's affecting births and of course they won't take it, they won't trace it back to radiation but as everything to do with it in the same way they're not covering the mass fish die offs where they always say we don't know what's causing it? And they never mention radiation I mean just recently it's starting to come out a little bit but i don't know. It's so sad and like i said we're hit with so many invisible poisons that is just such a shame that we can't really get any real answers, We have of course all the vaccine people that are like hey autism on the rise! I don't feel comfortable getting a vaccine

58:41 Yeah, it might be from that or it might just be from all the other poisons. It might be from chemtrails. It might be from GMOs. It might be from Fukushima radiation and...it's tough to know I try-I just try to err on the side of caution. I try to stay with the natural world as much as I can because you just don't know and it is a shame. It is! It is uh..It's-it's a living tragedy especially when you see others suffering They can't see their suffering. That's another reason we left the States, because when Fukushima ... We already had plans. Our boat was in motion and the rudder was taking effect and we were deciding which country to go to. And we were eliminating junk, getting everything ready. Then Fukushima blew. I had my place taped up with plastic and everything because that first shock that was expected ... I saw it on the news ... That was a nuclear thing blowing

59:38 And the plume came over really pretty quick. And that was just the beginning, but anyway my wife was visiting Texas she flew back right away and we had plans to leave, we kicked them up and left in three months Why sit there and absorb that stuff? I mean, there's hot particles. If you get one of those it could be deadly just ... And there are hot particles in these ones that are plutonium and some of this stuff is way nasty. Just because we're not seeing the effects yet doesn't mean it's not gonna happen but that was another reason to get out. Down here, the northern hemisphere circulates amongst itself, the southern amongst itself

1:00:17 Although there's gonna be crossover and we have seen a slight rise We have a detector and it has risen in the two years. We've been here just slightly But it's nothing that's nothing like what you'll pick up in the States I mean like here, we'll get a point one three to a point one seven reading instead if you're if you're up in well California was steadily 30 250 when we were there and Point 30 point 50 and then if you fly into Seattle, I didn't have my machine but a friend told me this you come in come down and you have your machine on in the air in the In the cabin it'll go up to 170 It's so intense Along the coast and as you know that EPA. I don't know people know this But the EPA turned off all their detectors right after the accident yeah, I mean if it was an accident I don't think it was but

1:01:09 But, you know what kind of responsibility is that? You had to go all these websites. Remember there was a guy who had his detector with the camera on it 24-7 so he could watch what was going on. I don't know if you were on it at that time but I think he still has this website. I forget what its called. But you have to look and search to find reliable information that these psychopaths are just denying and covering up. So many things going on, let me ask you your thoughts about this World War 3 buzz I mean of course what's going on in the Middle East plays a role Israel's bloodthirsty aggression plays a role also what's happening with Russia and the Ukraine we're basically fighting a proxy war with them already lots of pieces on the global chessboard seem to be moving towards conflict What are your thoughts on what is going on geopolitically?

1:02:02 Well, if you look at the definition of a world war I think it says something like when at least five six or seven nations are engaged in some war at the same time. Well that's been going on ever since the US led into Afghanistan Yeah we're there It's already in play That's one thing I like to draw people's attention to is they're waiting for some big event, but meanwhile it's the boiling frog syndrome where these little things are coming up every day and they're waiting. Well when they really turn up the flames then all know it's time to jump out! Well guess what? You might be dead asleep by then

1:02:42 And you won't know it. I mean, have you ever sat in front of the TV? You're really tired and you don't remember nodding off but you did? Yeah a couple times a week sadly. Well that's what it's gonna be like. You won't realize it. You just nod off and you gotta have foresight. You've got to look down the road and take seriously what your mind and your heart are telling you say okay I see that coming I'm going to do something about it. That's a tornado No, they never have tornadoes here. That can't be a tornado Harry look I see it It's a tornado come on man the games not here's to have another beer And that's that's the typical reaction because it's a bummer to hear about the tornadoe. That's gonna ruin my day right kind of thing

1:03:26 This has been great. Before I let you go, because we're wrapping up would you like to remind the people where they can find your work what your website is and maybe keep up with what you're doing? Sure first of all thanks Greg it's really been a pleasure man here terrific and much love to all you listeners out there keep going keep hard thank you man My website is zengardner.com and then gardener doesn't have an E N, it's G A R D N E R and Facebook page is the same. Nobody likes Facebook, but we have to use it since so many people use it and you know its getting the message out as long as we can If you want to read my articles that are just by me there's an icon that looks like a little clock on the navigation bar I click on that and it'll show you my timeline It will go down sequentially And if you go around this site there's a lot of features

1:04:25 But we have a lot of wonderful contributors that are, some of them just sprung up on the site. Some of them from other websites but they're contributing wonderful insightful material and it really everything sort of goes together I put in there very eclectic mix of information you'll be see one UFOs next GMOs then than a George Carlin clip. You don't know what you're gonna get, but we try to follow synchronicity and it really is amazing because people send us ideas or my wife and I both research almost every day and we love to learn and communicate and network with others which we do very lot of but enjoy the site and drop a note if you'd like to write me personally, my email is zen at zengardner dot com

1:05:18 Would love to hear from you. If you want to say hi and tell me where you are, this is fascinating got all these people down under it's wonderful yeah well thank you man I mean i really appreciate your time what your what you're doing is great you have some great contributors John Rapoport one of my favorite guys he contributes to your site as well so yeah everybody should definitely check it out but Zen has been a blast! I guess keep doing what you're doing and hopefully we'll talk again take care man Okay, thanks Greg lots of love to you and say hi to all the Diegans out there for sure And tell them to get out. Yeah well You know it seems like we've been talking for quite a while you got a pretty nice internet connection there Which is really all I need so maybe you'll see me there eventually yeah man i'll help ya head on down All right happy too. We got a spare room Thanks again man take care enjoy the day okay? Okay, greg that's enough

1:06:16 Rock me like a hurricane, Higherside Shatters. Another one in the bag. A little more casual than a typical show but picking up and moving away from the states is something I've been thinking about a lot. More so just for the life experience to get out of the American bubble. But a lot people are feeling this calm before storm type energy Whether you're Anthony Patch worried about CERN's gateway to Saturn or Zen Gardner being concerned with Jade Helm and Agenda 21, there are multiple factions of the conspiracy culture pointing to this window of Fall 2015 as a bit of boiling point for several different possibilities. And I don't like to get paranoid or hype things up, but i'm sure a lot of you've noticed this. It's also interesting timing because of the great American election cycle! Not that I really care but if you've got a president on puppet strings and only have a short amount of time left with him... You might see just how many dances you can get him to do while you still know you have a shirt thing

1:07:09 But either way, moving out to a little tropical paradise is probably something a lot of us think about from time to time while we count the minutes until clocking out or stare at the brake lights ahead of us in our hour-long traffic filled commute. So I hope you found some value in this show! In the second hour I asked Zen about his thoughts on an alien or non-physical aspect to the elite. More expat talk about Zen's travels and aspects of being an independent researcher in the modern world, how the elites campaign has influenced several places around the globe notably Australia. Australia you know i gotchu! We have a lot of listeners in Australia. I see the numbers and send so many shirts there, it's really easy for me to be a dumb American and ignorant about how people can't relate to things that are America specific. So I tried throwing some Australian talk in there too because Zen has written about how the elites agenda

1:08:02 has really ramped up there. We also talk about the emerging capitals of the New World Order, new cities built to bring in the next incarnation of The Matrix while they destroy the old power centers... That's pretty interesting stuff! And also just some positive talk about being a genuine you harnessing your creativity and getting your boat in the water and turning that rudder on! And THC Plus is waiting for you if you're interested But not a bad way to kick off May. I'm also really pumped for next week's show, it has been recorded and it is definitely off the beaten path and back into the realm of secret electrical sciences! So keep your minds open, your chains broken and I'll see you then...I've done my part this week, your move Jade Helm Heralds, Your Frickin' Move!

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