William Ramsey | Order Of The 9 Angles, The Smiley Face Killers, & Pop Culture Symbolism

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01:08 All right, my dameys. From the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and we've been around long enough to notice that not only is the world run by many multi-generational families of parasites and the power hungry psychopaths that play their game but littered throughout reality woven through corporate entertainment encircling around highly charged events is a tapestry of symbols synchronicities in similar numbers that suggests something a bit deeper is going on It's hard not to feel like our carefully crafted culture is nothing more than one big spell. And the true architects of everything are primarily a long line of occultists that have entranced the masses into widespread compliance and never-ending numbness." And it seems like today's guest, William Ramsey would certainly share some of these thoughts as he has been hot on the heels of the Capstone Cabal for years now through his impressive and ever ongoing body of work

01:59 He's written books like Abomination, Devil Worship and Deception in the West Memphis Three Murders. Children of a Beast Alistair Crowley's Shadow Over Humanity. Prophet of Evil Alistair Crowley 9-11 and The New World Order Global Death Cult The Order Of Nine Angles Adam Waffen And The Slaughter Of Innocence and most recently The Smiley Face Killers Investigating Suspicious Water Deaths Of College Aged Men in the US & World most of which are also covered in companion documentaries and is ongoing powerhouse of a podcast, William Ramsey Investigates. Let's dive into it. A jack of many conspiratorial trades and occult agenda exposer and multimedia master of his domain, William Ramsey welcome to the higher side. Great thanks for the invite great to be with you

02:48 Yeah man it's a true pleasure you've done a lot of great work and its rare that i hear about weird cults and so teric orders that i haven't at least heard named before. What the order of nine angles is definitely a new one for me and i want to get into that but i think i first became familiar with you during the pizza gate days where are you doing some real deep dives in all that darkness and a lot of symbolism And now we have the story of James Gordon Meek, an ABC reporter and senior producer who was also Senior Counterterrorism Advisor to the U.S House Committee on Homeland Security who referred to Pizzagate as a debunked conspiracy theory in at least one of his articles Now he's pleading guilty to quote transportation and possession of child sexual abuse material The irony there is pretty thick isn't it?

03:41 Yeah, it's huge. It's unbelievable really and it goes back to the actual original truth of some of the research into what's now known as Pizzagate but those original Instagram posts by James Oliphantus are really something else I think indicated that there was an act of underground involved in all kinds of nefarious activities Yes, I agree And there were a lot of details that had nothing to do with a pizza code but As years have gone on, I've just seen this code used more and more or the boy lover girl lovers symbols injected in all kinds of strange places you wouldn't expect. You'll see pictures come across social media where some priest will have a lapel pin or something like that and it's like well there must be something to it because that's an odd symbol to have on your shirt if it doesn't mean what we're told it means

04:39 Agreed. And yeah, I've noticed a lot of stuff that i learned from pizza gate or the pizza get research around today understanding what the term maps mean and Abramovich is still around. I learned about her through the pizza gate research. I've done shows on earth. I think she's an important figure in The New World Order and The Occult and her connections to so many people So many famous people really Kanye the Kardashians Lady Gaga It was kind of an eye-opening event, I think. And it's still relevant for people to look at and hasn't been debunked like this guy Meek supposedly said it's still relevant. And another thing that's interesting is Aliphantus' boyfriend at the time is the head of media matters who just tried to slander in my opinion, slander Elon Musk's ex and they're getting sued right now so... Right? Is that something Brock, I believe? Yes David Brock. That's right. David Brock yeah! It's a tangled web but

05:34 A lot of these people that come up in the research, they end up either like Meeks actually getting convicted to the crime or there's definitely some dicey things that make you think they're highly suspect. I was looking into Meek a little bit he has two daughters which is really sad because there's an insinuation there that their life hasn't been all that great but The charges noted that Meek sent and received pornography of infants and toddlers as well as content depicting sadistic and masochistic abuse of prepubescent children. In his search for content, Meek solicited lewd images from underage individuals and even

06:14 even posed as a minor himself. According to court documents, law enforcement found text message conversations between the former journalist and two girls 14 and 15 who sent him pictures of their breasts. The same messages included a video of himself naked and holding his penis in his hand And he was only sentenced to six years, which is crazy to me. That's another common theme light sentences for child abuse crimes wouldn't you say? Yeah there could actually be a book of pedophiles adjacent to people in power whether it's Trudeau's close friends in Canada

06:53 I think one was New York guy. There's just been so many arrests for very, very dark stuff. So it's happening often. Yeah. Good point adjacent to people in power. So this isn't really going to be the Meeks interview but i did find this interesting because i was just looking into him looking at his Wikipedia page ABC of course connected to Disney check another box there But his wikipedia page says that he went to school with the daughter of CIA agent rufus phillips who later published meeks first work so it's not like they were just classmates and he neighbored cia operative lucy in conan leading him to desire to work in the intelligence underworld.

07:37 His father, John Martin Meek had been a lobbyist and speechwriter for John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson and his mother worked quote in politics. This is not some random guy who worked hard and luckily landed his dream job as a journalist he was basically born right into that swamp in Virginia and we can just add him to that long list of connected people engaged with the darkest of dark stuff Yeah, no there's no doubt. I think that's another like i said another book There's a long list of those people that have been caught and I think pizza gate That was it that was the nexus point for A lot Of things going on Was that Pizza restaurant with The weird cool Things outside And I was this Pizza guy Aliphantus in Washington Magazine is one of The top 50 power brokers In DC if It wasn't for Some type of Trafficking and Blackmail right so the blackmail stories are

08:33 So, legion. Epstein is still relevant. People were blackmailed in the negotiation. It was Mitchell actually who was one of the people who used Virginia Dufresne as probably one of the most known victims of the Epstein network And then he went on to be an arbiter of the Palestinian-Israel negotiation. So there's actually a picture of Mitchell who probably was blackmailed, most likely part of that operation with Hillary Clinton and Netanyahu and Abbas who was the head of the Palestinian organization. So imagine if you have that blackmail material in your negotiating this kind of one two state negotiation I think that you'd know you had a good hand I would say

09:20 That's just one of many stories, Greg. Richardson we know was part of that. There was just a settlement recently with Dershowitz and Jouffrey that wasn't within the last year they settled that case... I think she sued him for defamation because he said you didn't do it but that got settled so it never went to trial. It got to the cusp of trial and It was very skilledly settled, by the way because there were no admissions of guilt and no numerical numbers. But we know that she got paid like $12 million, or I think maybe it was £12 million from Prince Andrew. King Charles III's brother. So that settlement was made public. That probably came right out of the former Queen's direct account but the Dershowitz one was really interesting as a lawyer too just to see how that got managed and Dershowitz is still around and she said she had

10:13 Relations with him and a really interesting piece of the Maxwell trial was her biography. She actually wrote a self-biography to tell her story, and in that that's where that information is wild wild yeah you know a lot about the various layers and people involved will probably never get the smoking gun will satisfy Mass public i mean abstain should have been pretty damn close but where there is smoke there's plenty of fire and speaking of this really dark stuff let's get into your book global death called the order of nine angles adam waffle in the slaughter of the innocence you write.

10:54 This book will detail the foundation of a new ideology formulated by The Order of the Nine Angles, whose ideas and doctrines surfaced after being seeded throughout the globe concurrent with the rapid increase of international internet communications. I have no intent to promote a very dangerous religion and ideology but to expose it and assist the reader in understanding a relatively new religious corpus as its earliest manuscripts are dated to the 1970s. Well, break us in here we know these sorts of secret orders and occult groups run in high circles but what makes the Order of the Nine Angles different and what can you tell us about its formation?

11:36 What makes them different from maybe another group, maybe the Church of Satan, Temple of Seth, OTO—Ordo Templi Orientis? What differentiates them according to its own founder David Myatt —we can go into his interesting persona— is their lethality. Part of their structure is to find and murder an individual. It's really unbelievable." So that's what got me into reading about it. I had no idea about this group at all This book was something that came out of my research into the Smiley Face Killers. Somebody said, hey you should look at this group maybe they're doing it because the doctrines of this group is to commit crimes and not get caught right? So you see this kind of phenomenon of The Smiley Face Killers where young men are disappearing later to be found in water like it's kind of our perfect crime like it makes it look like an accident and a lot of very skilled

12:29 criminals do try to perpetrate these accidents. It's actually interesting because this new show on Netflix called Killer has almost kind of the similar ideology, he is talking about committing assassinations and getting away with it and he includes drowning in it and also other accidental falling down stairs so it fits in line with this order-of-nine angles ideology So that's what differentiates it And it got started out It's almost a weird kind of doctrine. There are thousands of documents and thousands of pages of documents that have really only been written within the last 40 years, but it comes out of the British far right—the literal Nazi far right. So it is a melding of Nazi ideology and occultism in a new version of occultism. The founder or whoever put it together…there are some

13:22 disputes about whether he wrote all of it, but the founder passed through these other occult orders and then devised his own kind of based. And maybe Crowley was very sympathetic to the Kabbalah or Jewish kind of occultism this guy was the opposite of that He didn't want to have anything to do with the Kabbalah or anything like that So he kind of formulated his own cult ism based upon kind of old English concepts and the tree word of the Tree of Fate but they have a kind of Hitler as avatar worship. And we can go into Nazi occultism too, which is probably a whole nother show but pieces of that are integrated into this new group called the Order of Nine Angles which really got its kickoff because of the internet just like you said there in the intro. The documents were able to be spread around and then they had little mini cells everywhere people with this idea and they called them exeons it was kind of a new terminology

14:19 He was actually, whoever wrote this was very good with words and terms and made up their own concepts that are original and specific to the Order of Nine Angles. Yeah. You have a lengthy section about their rituals, their black mass. It seems somewhat similar to the Gnostic Mass where there's a priestess and they have sex on the altar as part of the ceremony everybody disrobes It's a little odd. They have, I guess, oh, a wax figure and they do a mock killing of it and they all chance kill and laugh, kill and laugh wild stuff but i think a lot of people might think some of this is performative and kind of over the top and we might be looking at a LARP rather than A real cult

15:13 What would you say to that? How do you know this is a real cult, to be taken seriously?" That's a great question. A lot of people say this is just a big intel op and that's kind of what they say about Crowley too – just a big intel op. Going out and committing or doing these things in real world that it's just something like online Well, the fact is is that there's been ties to the order of nine angles crimes actually committed And I have a full section in this book about those and I think it really just shows that It is happening. You have a guy Meltzer who recently got sentenced He was trying to set up his own armed military group through the order of nine angles to have a terrorist attack like in

15:53 conformance with ONA principles. You have another guy in Toronto, his name was Bilem Bonutigam who literally went out and stabbed people and was a member or was influenced by the Order of Nine Angles you can hear him chanting if you want to see what these guys religion is he actually set up his own kind of little ritual center with the pyramid that they have and he was chanting in just like an order of nine angles thing so he actually may have committed other crimes than that So those are two things that the Order of Nine Angles ideology has influenced. But also, the reason why I have Adam Watt in the title is that far-right kind of occultism has bled out from the ONA into even American far right Nazism and I show all the evidence for that in the book. It's very strange it's very underground but those guys were involved

16:43 and crimes, and deaths. And one guy killed his girlfriend's parents. Another guy went out and killed this Jewish guy Blaise Bernstein in Orange County. Actually the founder of Atomwaffen Russell was recently arrested. He was plotting to destroy the entire electrical grid of the city of Baltimore. So he got out of jail causing problems and then is probably back in jail for the rest So I think people who say that this is a LARP or fake, there's actual real world criminality. That's happening evidence is in my book about that. Yes. The whole chapter on national news stories involving people who are attached to this order it's pretty wild and I'm just curious the name is very provocative. I'm sure people listening are well aware of magical ritual in general the pentagram

17:37 Where does the Order of Nine Angles get its name? It comes from their symbol. So they have this order of nine angles, there was a ritual in the Temple of Set about the Ritual of Nine Angles according to the founder or Maya it is and you'll see that on the cover my book this kind of cross hatched cross line It's the seven planets and then also they believe that there are portals into kind of like this acausal realm. And two of those angles in that symbol are portals into some other realm so they think that they can presence or actually be I would call it possessed by these entities, there's 21 dark gods that are very similar maybe to HP Lovecrafts' dark gods

18:24 But they write in their books, they distinguish themselves from it. They actually presence through these portals in the sky and everything happens at night so they go out and look into a specific constellation and try to do some ritual. So that's kind of the nine angle concept What do you think about this do you think it's just some superstition or wishful thinking on their part that's hard for me to believe because so many people. Dedicate their lives to reading the old grimoire and going through multiple orders in all of their literature and then forming their own orders and there is a case to be made that its all bullshit because if something like scientology like it seems like he took

19:08 a cultism and spun it off into a blackmail gathering intelligence religion sort of thing. And there doesn't really seem to be a ton of actual practical magic there, although we're not in that club but this belief that there are these portals to an a-causal realm Do you think there's some merit to that? Is this something in the structure of reality that a person can tap into, maybe we shouldn't. Maybe it's dark but do you think this is possible or more superstition? I think that our belief is really incredible so if you believe and whatever it is, it could be it.

19:49 I've talked to other mad people who are involved in ritual magic, ceremonial magic of which this group has ceremonial magical aspects to it and they say it's real. So they believe that there is something beyond the five senses that they're in contact with or drawing power from and trying to get correspondences and do this kind of thinking So I think you'd have to talk to some of these people in the ONA. I've talked to a few, I've had a former Atomwaffen member actually on my show but you'd have to talk to them to see if they think it works. I think they think it works! I believe that Crowley thought he was getting magical power from his rituals and things like that. I think the evidence is there and I've talked to other guys that are involved in the magical world presently and they say that

20:36 Rituals and things that they do, they provide them with their energy or whatever. Whether it's like you will it into existence? This kind of idea I think maybe there is some power to that. I don't know. I don't practice magic so open didn't know but that's what they say. Yeah well a lot of occultists have commented on the theatrics of a lot of these rituals especially if you go back along time and the theatrics could be seen to play a role in getting you out of baseline consciousness and reinforcing that belief because if we're dealing with the reverse placebo effect. You would need to believe it and it's a catch twenty two cuz u can't believe until you've seen some kind of evidence of it but if you get in the robes and yeah get the candles going like you can kinda push yourself towards belief

21:33 A little earlier i would say and it makes sense that could be a belief thing the reverse placebo effect given how many different orders there are in how many different systems there are. And people who get engaged no system say works but its not just one thing so, How do you explain that dozens and dozens of magical systems that are all completely separate with their own rituals and their own gods work? Well, this explains it. Right! All over human history, this whole ceremonial magic has been going all the way back to Assyria or the Babylonian. Which this group, The Order of Nine Angles alleges that's really the kind of like holy grail of occultists is to trace your magic all the way back to Babylon before Egypt right? But if you look at all these cultures and all this stuff there's always a shaman there's always something even the Bible has it Moses was in contest with Janus and Ambrose they're fighting with the snakes

22:33 this is biblical belief. All of these extrasensory events are happening with these magicians, so I think it's that and my other research in Children of the Beast you can hear from a modern guy who defined himself as a warlock which is Kenneth Anger who was friends with Bobby Boussole And Bobby Bousley said the guy had power, like he literally had power. He was seeing visions and all kinds of crazy things were happening. I don't know if it was the impact of drugs or LSD which could be actually perceived as kind of a magical event in itself but Bobby Bousley said anger could command spirits and have visions and things like that so my point is this whole magical thinking or magical events really permeate almost all civilizations back to recorded history

23:23 Yeah, that's all good information. There was one thing in there when it comes to their beliefs and practices where you're talking about the order of nine angles and you mentioned shape shifting. You say what is especially interesting is that the oh nine a associates the mage and to a lesser extent, the master slash mistress of the dark arts with skill and shapeshifting by which they mean not the mythological about Ability of a living human to somehow transform oneself what they mean by shape shifting. Obviously there's the skinwalker practice so lot of people think this is an actual thing shamans can do despite how over the top it sounds how logical it sounds but what did they mean?

24:13 It's a good question. I have the concepts, the order of nine angles in there and there are a lot of different concepts but shape-shifting and scrunching are kind of like two of these weird words that i was talking about their language but I think that they think that they can actually change through these dark gods coming in has actually changed their outer looks and things like that. So, that's what I think. I mean, I have to go back and re-read but they can somehow transform themselves into vampires or some of these dark gods to do the sinister sorcery that they talk about Right and then you go on to say of course the most disturbing aspect is their open promotion of human sacrifice which they referred to as calling. And we talked about how there are some people that have gotten caught up in this or were heavily engaged in it who then did commit real crimes, but is there more to say about their promotion of human sacrifice today describe why a person would do what benefit there is to such a thing and

25:17 Has the founder, David Myatt ever been convicted or proven that he committed some kind of sacrifice? No. To my knowledge has not been convicted or anything but they have a long-term goal to create a homo galacticus right and so there are transforming Homo sapiens into some other galactic race really So it's almost like Naziism creating a new race and things that are impeding that formation of this dark Empire that they're trying to create are homo hubriati people who are arrogant or people who for one reason or another have some kind of character flaw and those Are the people they select for the offer or sacrifice according to their doctrines and then secretly kill them or read to kill them so there people are tested like that, and How many people have been you know caught doing not not many. There's been a few There was one guy who his name was Daniel Hussein

26:14 who made a pact through another guy whose name is his fake names he ate quitting who was associated with the order of nine angles barely written for them through one of the nexiums but daniel hussein went out into a park in the night and made a bullet pack that he was going to kill somebody and get away with it Mary on a thing and went out and killed two girls celebrating birthday party, and this was in the last couple years So that's real one where one guy has been caught and there's questions about insanity Maybe they sentenced him this year but he ache weddings old become a living God. He got kicked off from social media association with Danny saying and it shows the international character of it too because

26:58 Bia Kuweting is in Utah and Daniel Hussain's in London. So you can see this kind of international contact, but that's just one thing where people really get caught there was a case in Russia where they lured somebody out into a park and she was killed This is something that I don't think is even in my book a recent case But they were supposedly ONA associated so there may be other cases I mean the thing is is that this group is supposed to do everything in secret right? They don't wear the 08 patch around like maybe a Mason does. So you don't know really who's out there

27:36 acting on these dark ideas. Right, and if there is some kind of power to it to their pact with these dark entities you would think that the benefit would be the not getting caught part so that opens up a lot of speculation as to how deep it really goes how many people are participating and how many murders can be attributed to the people making these dark pacts There is one thing I can say, Gregg, is that there's this whole section on these Nexians. There's proof that these cells are in a lot of major cities all throughout Europe and the US and so people are practicing it. You can go onto Facebook and see these Nexians. I think they're still there. That shows that there are certain cells of these actors. Yeah, serious scope to it. And you mentioned that term homo galacticus

28:27 That's another one of those universals with these occult orders is the general belief that man must be transformed or evolved beyond our current state. And it's usually this cosmic kind of thing, or this technocratic kinda thing. Even the title Become a Living God, that's essentially that same idea, another take on it What do you think about that universal almost theme that something has to be fundamentally changed about the human being that we must trigger our own next stage of evolution and then like comparing that to what we generally see going out there is a few campaigns people try to peg. Do this general occult nasty type of philosophy do you think that connection is there and is that kinda what's maybe driving some

29:25 aspects of our culture that the people who are shaping it have this belief that we must be transformed and evolved? Yeah, I have no doubt about that. But it goes back to the doctrines of Alice Bailey and you can see the externalization of a hierarchy and how similar it is to Nazism in the concept of the subhuman. The Germans would've called it the übermensch and the untermenschen right so there's an above and below and part of the Nazi doctrine was to become the overman right So, I think that Hitler was acting that out. And I think that idea has seeped into this group and I think even you take the ideas of Bailey to Barbara Marks Hubbard and Spengler and some of these other characters as Luciferian notion of evolution. I think that permeates the present drive for this new world order in this whole mass poisoning event that just took place and these global wars

30:21 So you're seeing kind of a resettling of the entire global chessboard in some ways. And I think that the ideas of man becoming a new being is actually kind of a Luciferian doctrine, instead of like perfecting yourself from the inside it's kind of like you're creating a new race with this new ideas and I think that goes back to Bailey-Ann Nazism. Right? You can really go all the way back to the Gnostic texts, this idea that reality is a prison and that we We must transform ourselves to break out of it in a sense. And you could see how some transhumanists might be motivated by even ideas that go back that far, because how do we sense more of our world? How do we break through the illusion? Maybe you need a chip in your head! That might be how it gets accomplished."

31:14 Right? So I think that Gnostic idea is what's going on with some of these transhuman movements and why they're part of this great kind of recent rollout, the global roll out of like 10 million genders and all that. That's all Gnostic. You're absolutely right. And occultic, right? And that God is the Overlord and we're trying to become our own gods. It's kind of like the Promethean ideal, right? The demiurge yelled a bail off kind of thing Blavatsky so towards the end of the book as you mentioned You do tied in nicely with some of your other work on these smiley face killers by saying is there a connection between the phenomenon of young men disappearing at night in the US the UK and around the world and the

31:56 09 a or other call groups are the water deaths a calling or associated with some ritual why is there a smiley face symbol on to main, oh nine informational websites lapis philosophicus and the cam lad running. And of course, the Smiley Face Killer got the name from the smiley face graffiti that was found at several sites of these deaths. But talk to us about your thoughts on how these could connect and give those unfamiliar with The Smiley Face Killer saga a little bit of info about the scope of those deaths because it is a pretty creepy phenomenon. It really is all answer the second question first

32:39 I've just put out my most recent book two months ago about this investigation that I've been doing for seven years now, really. I made two documentaries. My book was meant to be putting all that information in one spot so people could just walk around with it but it's really this phenomenon that was given the name from Gilbertson and Gannon, the original researchers 20 years ago and they're still kind of in the game they just put out something on oxygen, a six-part series. To me it wasn't broad enough but they gave this phenomenon because they saw it happening in two different places. Gilbertson was in Minnesota, Gannon's in New York and they started seeing young men disappear at night later to be found in water and they found an association between the symbol then some weird cases like Todd Guyb

33:23 would show up on his tombstone, somebody would put a smiley face on there. So super creepy and oftentimes they would find a spray-painted smiley face in the place where they thought the men went into water so that's how this whole phenomenon got its name The Smiley Face Killers but it has been going on and I've actually in my book I have over 350 of these types of cases in it listed in that book based upon other researchers as well. There's been a lot of different research, and so I tried to provide an history so people could kind of see how the understanding of this phenomenon has increased over time." And that's kinda the purpose of the book. So that's kinda the general overview of The Smiley Face Killers, and they kind of really peaked in the last year because there was this whole series

34:11 these drownings that happened in Chicago and then also in Austin at the same time. There were like five water deaths of the same kind of phenomenon, out late at night, disappeared later to be found on water and then 10 in Chicago. And so it really picked up on social media. So a lot of people became interested but a lot of them saw it as merely a regional event like oh this is just happening in Chicago. No, it's not. It's happening all over the world UK Europe There might be other cases that I don't know about just because of language barriers, but it really is a kind of newer... Almost like the LNA in a lot of ways. Because this is kind of a new phenomenon you couldn't find many cases back before 1990. Like my original case was 1997. That's McNeil in New York who was a Fordham college student. So that's the second one and there are connection between

35:04 this group and the Smiley Face Killers, I don't know. But i've seen the use of the smiley face by The Order Of Nine Angles and it correlates with this kind of use in The Smiley Face Killers and there's something dark about them like some of them live underwater if you even look at some of the symbols on the ONA it's called a tricycle so the Trident represents Typhon, this god who was thrust out of heaven by Zeus right? So it's the symbol of this kind of thing, but he lives underwater. So these water deaths that might be meaning a kind of a waters type of sacrifice I don't know what these guys really are doing but there may be a connection between the ONA and the Spyface Killers i dont have proof about One of the interesting things in the corpus of the ONA

35:51 is these kind of almost like fables, they're like Aesop's Fables, teaching fables. So they're obviously fiction but within that fiction they are giving advice on how to commit crimes and get away with it or how to do rituals And so in some of these writings, it's like okay go into a city you've never been in before. Avoid CCTVs, commit a crime and get out and get away. And that's all the greater idea I think of the founders of the ONA is to accelerate. So it's a common concept within the far right...and maybe even communism but to accelerate the downfall of the current civilization to bring in the new one right? If you commit a lot of crime or

36:32 undercut the rule of law. And these guys, I mean one of their doctrines is they are above the law. They don't operate on the law system if you're a member of the ONA and a believer, you're above the law so that would kind of tie in with your statement are these guys committing this kind of crime potentially? And i think the law enforcement has kind of dropped the ball A lot of times they're not asking the right questions and some of these instances when they capture people and their connections or you know like Meltzer Why did you try to contact the Order of Nine Angles? Who else is in the group, right?" You never find that out. You don't find that out with Mon-Nu-De-Djim either or some of these other characters as like are you on the septenary way where do you have a seven part way to go up to this kind of almost near Godhead in The Order Of Nine Angels where you can store your spirit in a pyramid and take over other people's souls which was really heavy

37:26 But the third part of it is like you commit the offer, right? The sacrifice. But then police don't seem to have an interest ... I think it's passe within law enforcement to investigate people's ideas and I think that's a mistake because some of these guys are operating with this kind of strange ideology they're acting out their will on that strange ideology. Yeah. Be using the smiley face on at least two websites that associate with material is a bit of a red flag and it's just creepy to think there is a group out there. Even if it isn't this one by name their seems to be a group out there stalking able bodied college age guys who are maybe coming home drunk from the bar and they're being stopped hand in their vulnerable state

38:15 hit over the head and thrown in the river, I guess? Greg there's no doubt about it. It's definitely happening. I thought it was an urban myth. I've watched like 20 guys, 20 men disappear. I watch all of the news media... And I include that in my new book. The news media, the families, the missing persons pictures, and then to be found later water. Like I've literally seen the phenomenon repeat itself over and over again. And it's interesting you say hitting the head and dropping them into water. I don't know if you read my book but In one of the chapters, there was a guy in Boston. I don't know where you are but he was in Boston and came out at... There's three victims out of TD Garden so if you go to TD Garden be afraid because people are getting stalked coming out basketball games this is November 2022 He came out and went to the river to take a leak. He doesn't remember anything

39:02 He was found face down in water. People rescued, hey this guy's found face down in water what's going on? They went and rescued him and he had the same thing somebody had hit him so hard I think his ear kind of came off but he had a huge bruise on the side of his head and he was facedown in water for five minutes he doesn't remember it so he doesn't even know what happened but he could have been another one of these types of victims and strangely that story which is really odd and that goes into this theme of law enforcement kinda dropping the ball It was featured on local media, so you can go see this whole media story. And before he got rescued somebody was there holding onto him who got away and nobody knows that guy's name they don't know why he was there nobody asked a question why he's there it's unbelievable So he might have been the perpetrator Wow The other thing is like what's this motivation? Why would you do this but if you are a believer in this kind of ideology That your motive right

39:57 Yeah absolutely and i read your book global death cult and with the smiley face killers i had to just rely on you talking about it in previous interviews than on your own show but, the subtitle of the book is who is abducting torturing and murdering college aged men in the us and uk. What are some of the signs of torture? Because you would think that when you picture this crime, you tend to picture someone running by a guy conking him on the head throwing them in the river right there on his stroll home. But torture is another level. No doubt one of the real mysteries of this is that some of these people are not put in the water at the same time they disappear and there's evidence that they have not been in the water for that long

40:47 And why are they being held? What's going on?" And as these cases kind of develop, there has been more and more evidence that has come out that these people are being tortured. Of some sort! Even being kept somewhere is being tortured right? Like if you're kept in somebody's dungeon or whatever So, the original case that I mentioned earlier his name is McNeil and he disappeared in Manhattan. He was supposed to be going north to Fordham University where he was residing and studying instead he disappears and later it's found in a water recycling facility very south down the Hudson Bay who another victim was found too by the name of Andrews so there's very common things same thing happened to Andrews disappeared found in this water treatment facility

41:32 The police tell his parents, sorry about your son. There's an accidental drowning." They said, well let's see the autopsy report. Let's get a specialist and so they got one of the best people you could get, a forensic examiner to look at it guy by the name of Cyril Wecht. And he looked at the medical examiner from New York's report this autopsy what did he find? He said this guy has been hit in the head with a hammer And he looks like he was tied up in a chair and blowtorched. So the upper part of his body shows the aspects of being exposed to flame, and the parents had no idea. The police didn't tell them either so they don't tell them these things. They just kind of process it and get it done. It's a real mistake by law enforcement that's just one case. More recent cases, Dakota James in Pittsburgh same thing happens. He's disappeared for 40 days.

42:26 He's missing for 40 days. He disappears out of downtown Pittsburgh, he's found in I think the Ohio River downstream but his body is almost near perfect shape. He has no discoloration so where has he been for 40 days? Body is decomposed fairly rapidly. He had no decomposition and the local DA was like hey sorry your son's dead same thing happens if parents go I want to see the autopsy room and so they didn't get it was an accidental drowning Cyril Weck lives in Pittsburgh, so they got Cyril Weck again for another one of these types of cases. He looks at it and says what's that rope mark around his neck? Why does Dakota James have a rope mark around his neck? And I can see it! Like I'm not a forensic examiner but I can tell if somebody has like a burn from a wrist or you know rope around their wrist or neck clearly You can see it with your own eyes So the family is like why didn't you guys tell me this and

43:22 One of the common stories of these families just trying to figure out what the heck is going on, because law enforcement is not—they always just call it an accident. So those are two cases of torture. Another's Chris Jenkins out of Minneapolis, Minnesota. He was found to have a clump of hair in his hand and he looked like he got beat up. One of the interesting things about Chris Jenkins Is that he played lacrosse so he was always beat up and bruised. He was always nursing an injury like a NFL player, even played goalie So people are chucking this ball at him as hard as they can right? And when they found his body, he had no bruising So where was he to heal for that amount of time right? So that's another one Another one is Tommy Booth out of

44:05 Pennsylvania. He was missing, he was in a place previously searched... A lot of these guys show up in places that are previously searched, that's another aspect of the phenomenon. Luther is found in like an inch of water somebody had been hitting him with cigarette lighters so we add those little burns on his arm and I think other elements of torture So what's going on? Why are the cops not divulging this information to public which is a good question And why are these guys being tortured? There's a lot of mystery in these cases They're missing for sometimes a lengthy period of time before they found the stuff with the cops and the autopsy performers.

44:47 There's layers to that you know like the first layer is saying well they often want to just keep cases simple and process them and so they leave out important details trying to just close a case and move on to the next one. And tamp down any drama or keep things from getting out of their hands in a spiraling out of control And then there's another layer of sometimes police and people connected in certain cities and towns are actually involved in this kind of thing, or they at least know some people that are involved with it. So they're like, Oh, this is one of their situations let's just keep it neat and tidy for them. Yeah. It's really weird when you look at some high profile deaths over the careers of high profile corners and you're like

45:41 Whitney houston all the like you're on the list of all these really suspect that's and they just fly in the same corner to do their autopsy report. What's that about that's clearly a big red flag so it's tough to know i think there is even on a small scale and small communities don't have these kind of situations going on No doubt. I think it's very strange if you look at the coroner for, it might be a political thing too like its a political network The coroner for Dakota James was a Chinese guy from China So his whole job may have just been installed as part of the party structure in Pittsburgh which apparently is very strong democratic right?

46:19 And I think there's also an incentive to not panic the public or really let people know that this is happening because a lot of these are in college towns, Boston and Chicago. So why would somebody want to send their kid there if they're going to possibly get abducted and tortured or murdered? I had one guest who likened it to the city in Jaws right like he doesn't want to panic everybody to think that there's a man-eating shark out there right so business can keep going. So I think that might be a real incentive I know that the feds know because actually, the mother of Dakota James, she went into the DA in Pittsburgh and she didn't know this. But when she sat down somebody from the secret service and from the FBI was there in the meeting with the DA so the feds were involved at Ursuline's case with no explanation like what's going on? Are you here to cover it up or are you here to actually investigate it? Yeah

47:13 Another aspect of your work that i really love is going through pop culture and seeing where a cult symbols are seated throughout. And it's not necessarily always the best content for an audio only show but every time i hear about a new thing from an old movie i used to really love i mean i just get a real charge out of just, Having that stuff expose like the layers within films is just crazy and you have done some aspects of pop culture seating work with the smiley face. And it's hard to know what the smiley face as a symbol because it goes back to the sixties in the hippie movement and is it really just somebody using it because of that reason is it too parallel reasons are they, when can i not into this my leaf base killers its kinda hard to say

48:07 Why a symbol would be in some pop culture but talk to us about the seating of the smiley face symbol as you've done the work on it. There's a lot. And I think that there is an esoteric and exoteric meaning, so the exoteric is just a smiley face person but under their meaning it's they're like smiling through tragedy. And I think that that's basically what Alan Moore is imparting in The Watchman with his character of The Comedian. He smiles at violence and death. So we tie into something with this smiley face killer you're supposed to... We know its tragic that this kid is dead. That's another element of these cases like your taking people out

48:44 society who possibly contribute to society, right? These guys are all college educated. Smart usually good looking guys so getting back to the comedians it's a central component of The Watchmen is this comedian guy and So that's kind of really where it started for me like I write in the intro my new book that That's where I started to see the correlation in common culture and to the Smiley Face killers. So I think there's obviously an underground cult network, these guys contact each other globally so they have understandings... My understanding is that the Smiley Face goes back and is used by Barrow, who was a very dark character but that's really one predominant place. The other is Fight Club right? It's used in Operation Mayhem or whatever they use the smiley face and it's actually used within the promotional materials of Fight Club which is interesting if you read the book

49:36 the end of the character when he shoots himself in the face it turns into a grizzled smiley face so it's not featured in the final sequence of Fight Club which actually ends at 9-11. Which is a whole other story but those are two very prominent and really one of the more recent ones, which is remarkable use of the smiley face and which is suffused with ONA ideology from beginning to end is Ed Sheeran's song Bad Habits. So if people want a real primer on the ONA's docrines, you can just go to YouTube and type in bad habits and his other songs are full of ONA ideology drowning. Really? Sharon has a smiley face tattoo but their bad habits really the whole thing starts with the sun going down and then it ends with the sun coming up

50:24 And so you see him shape shift, he becomes a vampire. He goes through these smiley face balloons. He's guiding some other mini vampire. He has his own nexie and his own cult all of the other people are like zombies right? So that's kind of the ONA view it's actually a satanic view where people are not of us or like chattel cattle or something like that but bad habits is really remarkable and what's interesting And somewhat shocking is the popularity of that song, which was number one or top 10 all over the world. And on YouTube alone it's had 500 million views so how many of those people know that they're being exposed to the ONAs ideology? Probably 1 out of 100 know what that song really means its shocking because I read the book and then that song came out like

51:16 that's obvious. I know what they're doing, they're seeding the concepts of the ONA and it's really interesting one of his closer friends is a group called Bring Me The Horizon right so what that means is that's when the sun comes up so they've been out all night but then the horizon pops up and the sun comes up very dark stuff lot of drowning motifs who have they collaborated with other than Ed Sheeran? Is this girl Grimes who was uh an alt singer who is Elon Musk's third wife, I don't know what they call him. Paramore? He's had three children with her by now so if you think this ONA kind of concepts are just on paper

51:57 They are filtering through the culture without question and are connected very powerful. Yes, and Grimes in particular you look at some of her videos that have been decoded there's some wild stuff in there about coronavirus and the Vax on like a Egyptian tablet transhumanism I think yeah there's all kinds of wild stuff there but you mentioned fight club that's another one where you've really picked it apart Tyler Durden as There's 11 letters and that's one of Crowley's key numbers. You've written a whole book, Prophet of Evil about Aleister Crowley and his system and 9-11 and how his numbers that were important to him pop up all over the event? Well I remember the end of Fight Club kinda but i didn't recall it was the actual Twin Towers that are falling or is just symbolically looking like the twin towers? They are the two twin tower

52:55 LA at the Avenue of the Stars, right? So Fincher is in LA. Those Twin Towers there are very well known actually some very important lawyers have their offices there but if you ever see it from the sky it literally has the eye on the triangle motif for its garden so you can actually look down on it but at the very end of Fight Club he's standing there holding hands with a girl Tyler Durden as All the buildings go down at one last bit, or two buildings. This is 1999 right? Two buildings in the background and then they drop it I think that that is a hint to 9-11 I truly do. And you mentioned the soap That's a major theme I know so many dudes back in college who had a fight club poster on their wall It was always this soap What was that about You say that as a direct symbolic reference to druidic human sacrifice

53:47 Absolutely, absolutely. So in the book it's played out and explained more in the book by Palniuk who has been on Joe Rogan a lot of times This guy is part of transgressive literature right? That goes back to Burroughs and through some other very shady characters but Palniuk knows a lot But in the Fight Club actual book if you read it And I recommend people do read it It's very interesting He knows the numerology too right Tyler Durden 5-6 like he said He talks about the soap as what happens in Ireland when people were sacrificed The effluent from the sacrifice would come down and they'd make soap out of it. So in the symbology of Fight Club, soap represents human sacrifice and there are references to human sacrifice within the book and the film. And one section of the film and the book is the same thing you're supposed to actually show your human sacrifices by bringing these people's IDs back to your cult head or whatever it is because there is kind

54:48 monastic cult element to Fight Club in the book and the film. But in the film, there's shots of smiley faces throughout the film but there's one quick shot of these IDs up on the wall and it says human sacrifice if I remember correctly but that's what Fincher is symbolically showing to the audience they don't know what they're seeing but I do. And then the sequence with the smiley face he has I mean, something else. Brad Pitt makes this like thumb symbol to his chin real quick which is totally a cult and then there's this other guy who's the total occultist he runs as kind of a bot. Jared Leto is watching the smiley face thing and he still uses that in his symbology so they know there's something very secretive and dark associated with the use of the smiley face symbol no question about it

55:40 Right on. And let's talk a little bit about Prophet of Evil, not a book I read but I've heard you talking about it a lot. One of the major things I've heard you mention is that all three or all four of the planes on that day are numbered with numbers that are very important to Cruelly. Talk to us about that. Yeah, key numbers. 11 is the key number of Cruelly in Magic It goes back to the Golden Dawn. You want to talk about ceremonial magic, that's a whole other show. But a lot of famous people came out of the Golden Dawn including Crowley and there was work from the founder... He was a ceremonial magician post-Masonic so you have to go through Masonic stuff to get into the Golden Dawn.

56:23 but Yeats is a very famous poet who came out of there and attributed all of his skills as a poet to magic. And you can see stuff in Ireland's National Museum about his magical practices, but during that 11 was a very important number because it's the number of magic—it's the number of five and six, the pentagram and hexagram coming together. Crowley kind of integrated that into what he called the lemo, which was his religion. He called his new religion that was going to compete with Christianity, the lemo. He had a seminal event in Egypt in 1904 and he supposedly received this book from an entity called Awaz, called it The Book of the Law. And in that book there's like a series... It's really divided into three parts. In one section there is a statement where says 11 is my number and the number of us so whatever this entity is telling him if it really occurred

57:16 is 11's a prime number. So Crowley integrates that into his system, so 11 is important. 93 is also important according to Gematria which is the subset of Kamala. Gematria is transforming a word into numerical value and two words that were central to Crowley were Thelema and Agape – will and love. And those both equal 93, you see that on the 93 plane. Then 77 is really another important, 77 names of Satan. But in Crowley's system it was a sub-part of the beast like they came together and became Babylon's kind of weird system but I explain it more in my book and then 175 is a ritual that Crowley had and kind of suffuses concepts people who are Luciferian and it just

58:05 having a ritual for the God you adore. And that's it, and you can read it all in my book but all those numbers... So the first plane to hit the Twin Towers which were 110 stories right? That's not random. The first plane was plane 11 and then the second one was 77 and then 93 crashed in Shanksville 175 at the Pentagon right? Yes exactly Which, one more funny thing that is probably not random but the groundbreaking ceremony for the Pentagon took place on September 11th. Yeah I knew about that one very wild and in terms of seating in pop culture that is probably the most seated event ever

58:45 There's the super tramp album there is a couple of different musical albums that have stuff right on their theirs obviously the matrix passport probably the craziest sync. Period because of the content of the matrix 1999 to write yeah yeah that's when the movie came out and his passport expires september 11 2001 and Even back then i thought it was weird but now that we are where we are in retrospect you see the patriot act and the surveillance state all spiraling out of that event. And even adds more weight to its meaning and is just a craziest and then, i've seen in the trailer i think u show gene hackman saying

59:32 9-11 and I believe just based on what he's wearing that's from enemy of the state. I would guess which is another surveillance state film? I didn't know there was a 911 sink in that movie Yeah, yeah It's there The only other thing I wanted to try to squeeze in here was a recent episode you did with Gregory Harms, which was really good breaking down the Palestine-Israeli conflict with new information that i hadn't heard. He brought up the trope that many people just say oh those people over there have been fighting over their holy land for thousands of years Which has been a phrase that was seeded so we don't really dig any deeper when really he says that they did a pretty good job coexisting before the UN handed 56% of the land

1:00:19 at the end of World War II over to form Israel. And even that didn't cause as much conflict as the Six-Day War did, The Six Day war was when in 1967 Israel occupied another 22% of greater Palestine and Greg Harms basically said that most of the conflict arose out of that which is like a lot of people's whole lifetime so they see it in their whole lifetime from the 60s to today and say Oh, it's been happening for thousands of years. Well not really and apparently the Palestinians main problem or main gripe is they just want that 22% back but that story doesn't ever really come out so its like oh this big tug-of-war and they've just always been fighting even since the six day war they clearly lost even more territory

1:01:09 But I just thought that was very interesting and he also mentioned in that interview or maybe you did that Woodrow Wilson's advisor said they're creating a place for a future war and That was kind of the parallel You know we talked about earlier about seeding something for deep into the future. It seems like the whole creation of Israel was them acknowledging, well whenever we need to dust off some kind of conflict to make it a bigger thing and support the military industrial complex, we have this little powder keg sitting over here for whenever were ready to use it and I just thought that was interesting episode obviously speculation is this could get us into World War 3. It seems like the globalists are trying

1:01:53 anywhere, anyhow anybody like please fight back. Please hit us so that we can hit you 10 times harder and get World War 3 kicked off and that's another concern going forward but I liked that episode uh...and i just wanted to get your thoughts on this particular conflict in if you are thinking it might spill over into the big world war three It is fascinating that this very small country, that's located in the Holy Land with just one tiny little book that's seeded all over the world. That adherents and people know of the book from one small group of people is really at the center global interest right now. And you can see Javier Mele won an Argentina went out to Israel Elon Musk has gone out there richest guy on the world

1:02:38 It's really kind of a global conflict right now, whether it's an open war. I don't think so but you're seeing these conflicts between Palestinians and Jews all over the world not just in the US it's on everyone's mind so it's almost like the precursor or the kind of distant thunder of something in the future where people are going to have to pick sides but yeah carbs I think had a really interesting take on things and I think that A sensible thing would be to just create a Palestinian state and have it at that. But the real hardliners on the Israeli Jewish side do not want that, that's why they supported Hamas actually which is strange Netanyahu just blew that out like a destroy Hamas order but they supported Hamas originally because they had the one-state solution which is the hard riders Jewish hard riders wanted as well They don't want to share although they are actually in the Knesset

1:03:35 I think 10% of them are Palestinians, is my understanding. And I have to double check that but...I mean it's not like your adherence to the NASA you have to be Jewish and Jewish alone. But what thoughts about it is that it's almost like a biblical event in a lot of ways with these passionate political wars but religious outlook wars and Muslim versus Jewish versus Christian conflict and people re-evaluating their sensibilities in light of these events also, I think I think all the whole world's watching, all 7 billion people. And you have like all these... The Arabs are all and the Muslims are supposedly together and you have Erdogan in Turkey saber rattling when there is a flotilla in Egypt so it's almost like a big board of risk in some ways with everybody. In US has got its two aircraft carriers and there's just a whole history we're talking about deception in the U S but there's a whole history of false flag

1:04:30 events in the Middle East, USS Liberty which a lot of people don't know about in the States is an important one. Also the LeVon affair, people can look that up as well and just a lot of high intel trickery and assassination so it's going to be an interesting year like if they say that Hamas can be targeted anywhere in world then we're back at post Munich thing where the Mossad... People can watch that movie by Steven Spielberg but the Palestinians attacked the Israeli Olympic team in Munich, and then there was a recrimination. They wanted to get those guys." And that was kind of like a global attack. And actually same things happened after World War II. There were a lot of things Jewish people went after, a lot of high-ranking Nazis.

1:05:21 Man it's just crazy to think where we will be in twelve months from now like the same date next year. It'll be quite while there so many agendas with a dial is turned up to eleven fentanyl crisis on top of all these other things and, I don't know. It's hard to feel optimistic, but I guess I would ask you in summary do you feel optimistic about the future? Is it going to get darkest before the dawn as they say that seems kind of clear but are you ultimately pessimistic or optimistic? I'm optimistic on the sharing of information so iIm glad to have The Invite on this show and I'm glad that people can talk in a different matter. I mean it's interesting because RFK is almost not even going on TV news he's doing all podcasts

1:06:07 So something has changed for the better. So I'm optimistic on that regard, I would say pessimistic for the economic future of the United States and when it's managed. I've told another podcast host, I could literally go dig up a fentanyl addict in LA and put him in the Janet Yellen spot and he'd do a better job. They're just total morons losers. So I'm pessimistic about that and inflation interest rates and the wasting of money in Ukraine, which was a fool's errand. And these two idiots got involved in a conflict they thought they could weaken Russia and there has been very clever, very competent, very questionably moral character people like Napoleon and Hitler who thought they could do that and they failed so these idiots didn't have a chance at all. They never should've gotten involved with them. The neocons are running the country on their grounds so they're an embarrassment

1:07:00 So we've had some of the worst leadership in the short term that the US has ever seen. I'm pessimistic on that regard, political and economic level and they have to steal the election." When they brazenly steal an election in front of our face this time... Last time it was obvious but people weren't expecting it. It was more like a Blitzkrieg assault. Like, whoa! How'd these votes change? Where did all these ballots come from? Now the dust has settled. It's obvious they stole the election so if they steal it again that's like we're in political turmoil of post-World War I Germany which led to a disaster for humanity. Really the whole gestation of

1:07:41 What happened in World War II started out of World War I with super high inflation and people getting blamed, and all this debt. And they pissed off the old people like Hitler was just kind of an avatar for a bunch of angry people. You don't want that to happen in societies. Societies break down, it will get angry and you just embark upon disasters. That's very pessimistic though. Well that's a really good analysis and i'm right there with you it seems like there is so many powder kegs just waiting for a match to be lit and. The timing in this next year is right to light those matches so that people don't see what's gonna go on with the election and they're just gonna be chaos

1:08:22 I'm not looking forward to it but business will be good for you and i it's been great getting another conspiratorial podcasting colleague. Before were snuffed out but before i cut loose let the people know about any upcoming guests are excited about her just future projects your working on your links and all that good stuff I actually will be talking with John Brisson tonight about the whole Israeli conservative Jewish outlook and their end of the world view. They kind of have a different end of the world view, they're different than Muslims and Christians but it's all coalescing in the Middle East so i'll be talking about that tonight. And you can see I'm over 1 000 episodes on William Ramsey Investigates, you can check those out on iTunes or Google and my books are available on my website so you can get signed copies if you like or you can just buy them off Amazon, my new book

1:09:11 It's gotten really good reviews. People like it and my documentaries, I have five documentaries on the subjects of the books or two documentaries about the Smiley Face Killers and all you have to do is go to my Patreon and it's $5 a month and you can just hop out at it. You can just watch it till your heart's content. I love it! Awesome. Well good stuff we really covered a lot of ground. I'm envious of your work ethic thanks again for your time and take care alright thanks for having me great to be with William Ramsey, my dameys. Sadate San! Your pity on the running kind and all that kind of stuff... If you know you know but William is definitely well respected in this conspiracy counterculture happy to have finally connected with him I Definitely don't think magic has to be all dark and evil and self-serving But there certainly is that And it is what William focuses on

1:10:08 But I thought, hey let's see this will be a good opportunity to add in the news about the ABC reporter James Gordon Meek. You will find fact checks on the claim that he was a Pizzagate debunker and i will say that meme seems like it is a bit disingenuous It doesn't seem like Meek was focused on taking the Pizzagate research down, like the meme suggests. But he did call it a debunked conspiracy theory while also again quote sending and receiving pornography of infants and toddlers as well as content depicting sadistic and masochistic abuse of prepubescent children." This is a conviction not in internet speculation

1:10:56 And again, like the Epstein cul-de-sac no real information on who this guy was sending to and receiving from. You can't do that alone right? But that material is about as dark as it gets That suggests something really close to snuff porn but you never really know...you just don't know if this guy pissed somebody off or colored outside some certain lines It's such a dirty, compromising game that it's hard to ever know what can be taken at face value. But still I thought getting William here would be a good opportunity to slide in some of that information and talk about the Order Of The Nine angles as well as the smiley face killer stuff those last two being subjects that i think would feel familiar to this audience but are also kind of fresh maybe stuff you guys didn't know too much about

1:11:53 And maybe as William thinks, there could be some overlap there. But just the idea of a group or cult out there that does prey on the inebriated and makes it look like an accident? That is as creepy as it is compelling to me. I used to really like that show The Blacklist because so many of the people in the criminal network were these types of people. It was very conspiratorial before it all went off the rails and devolved into silliness But I think there was a lot of truth in some of the villains that show crafted. And on that note, William Ramsey also folds in that pop culture symbolism that I like so much his breakdown of Fight Club was also good. I think the Crowley 9-11 working stuff he has done is really interesting regarding the numerology of flight numbers and all that context though I think that with second hour stuff

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1:15:06 But I agree that was a really good one. I have a follow-up coming very soon that strikes the same chord and, I think goes even deeper into understanding High Strangeness events. Good stuff! Keep an eye out but also check the YouTube and social media profiles for video clips if you want to watch some of the highlights from the free and plus parts of this show on every show... The last one, next one etc etc But as for the meetup calendar at higher side, meetups.com or anyone can hop on there and make an event local to them to meet other THC fans. It's looking pretty light it is the holidays so I understand but in January we have the recurring monthly meet up at the flame international restaurant in LA on January 11th and there's one here on January 23rd

1:15:59 At Monday night brewing in Nashville, Tennessee it looks like they got two for one brews. Well now you gotta go! But if you're feeling like you could expand your network of like-minded friends this is a good way to do it hop on the calendar make an event If you hear about one near you RSVP It's just good manners Also, I wanted to say, I do think 2024 is going to be an intense year. But listening back to what I said towards the end of this conversation with William sounded a little doom and gloom. I don't really think it's going to be that bad. I think it's good to be prepared for a lot of manipulative ops. You should also try to probably have some financial cushion and cash on hand. If you keep your focus on your actual life and your friends and your family in less time

1:16:48 Call me over the outrage of the week i think you're gonna be fine you don't have to follow every crazy story that's my job and you can just get the cliff notes here but you gotta get enough sunlight ground yourself meditate eat high quality food, focus on the things u can control and then your gonna be in the best shape and position to face whatever it is that comes. You can't control right? I'm not trying to be naive about the trajectory of things, but just don't let them play your mind and emotions like some kind of musical instrument. And you'll already be doing better than half of the people out there! But that said enjoy the holidays with your people i'm going to squeeze in one more show between Christmas and New Year's and I'll see you then take care guys check out William Ramsey's work tell him you enjoyed this interview if you did and I'm getting out of here

1:17:45 Your move, Order of the Nine Angles, Smiley Face Killers and Ritual Event Workers. Your fucking move! This is important hear what I said I'm trying to tell you It's not paranoia Not in my head it's just the hard truth Knocked on your door but still can't To ask you cause i know your head Is still in the sand Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know where are- Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell us anyway It's a skit okay? That we're so- Use it and wish but we don't have a choice

1:19:09 It seems we're stuck here, but you can find no sis. Drown out the noise now use that altar and up your magic game Listen to THC you know go with the eddies Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know where our cu- Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's okay, ayy

1:20:32 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we are kung fu? Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you anyways Hey! Eh eh Can't you see that