THC 92: Plato, Atlantis, & Earth Crust Displacement w/ Rand Flem-Ath

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06:38 Alright people, as we know there's an arrogant tendency to think that we have a handle on the planet Earth. Yet it has been said that we know less about our own oceans than we do about space We're constantly discovering new species in the depths of our thickest jungles and ancient ruins and structures that spit in the face of the popular opinion that traditional academia considers dogmatic fact Well, today we're going to challenge one of those paradigms in the realm of geography and our understanding of the ancient past. And today's guest is here to make the case for Earth crust displacement and the idea that Atlantis very well may have been on the land we now call Antarctica when it was once a place with more tropical climate. His name is Rand Flemmoth and he's the author of three books entitled When The Sky Fell In Search Of Atlantis

07:19 The Atlantis Blueprint, unlocking the ancient mysteries of a long lost civilization. And most recently... Atlantis Beneath the Ice, The Fate Of the Lost Continent It's a pleasure to have him here! The number one stoner, Rand welcome to THC Oh, thank you very much Greg. It's great to be here! Yeah man this is gonna be awesome I've always loved the stories of Atlantis and the mystery and the lore that surround it clearly You have as well since you've written so much about it Let's start with some of the fun stuff most people know the story of Atlantis comes from Plato But what else can you tell us about the origins of this information of an advanced culture in the distant past?

07:55 Well, Plato actually is the first person to record the story of Atlantis. He didn't actually... he himself says he did not originate it however as far as we are concerned today some 2400 years later it all goes down to Plato but Plato himself in this story, the dialogue that he talks about at Atlantis there's two of them actually It mentions that his ancestor, Solon who lived some 200 years before him. Solon was the founder of Athenian democracy and after having established democracy in a very loose sense no women didn't have the vote but men did have the vote and aristocrats didn't control everything which was the first time in history that had happened

08:48 And Solon was responsible for that, but he found that everybody was asking him to intercede on their problems. So he decided just up and skip out of Athens and he went on a wisdom quest. The first place he went to, of course, was Egypt because that's where everything was happening And when he got there, he met with some of the Egyptian priests and one particular priest he met with his name was Zoncas. Was very knowledgeable about Egyptian history had all the written records and so to try to get him to speak a Solon

09:37 what he did was, he started to talk about the flood and what they, the Greeks knew about the flood. Sonkis interrupted him and said oh so-and-so you Greeks are but children, you have no idea of the past but I'm going to tell you because I have written records from a lost civilization 9000 years ago this was taking place around 600 BC this conversation And I can tell you about this island continent in the middle of the real ocean. He called it the Atlantic Ocean, but he also called it The Real Ocean Now we have to understand what Atlantic meant into the Greeks To the Greeks they viewed the world as a disc on water There was three geographic sections there was Europe

10:33 Libya, which was like Africa and North Africa. And Asia which we would call the Middle East probably and to the West of the there's the Strait of Gibraltar which they called The Pillars Of Hercules. And beyond The Pillars Of Hercules you just didn't go there because nobody came back when they went out there So, but the ocean that was out there was called the Atlantic. But it also included...that Atlantic Ocean went all the way around the Earth's disk in the Greek world view so it was to the west north east and south. It was a completely world circling ocean called The Atlantic

11:12 As time went by and the Europeans started to explore the world, the meaning of the term Atlantic was changed to refer to the body water between Europe and America, and Africa and South America. And no longer referred to the far north or the far south of the Far East so that the term Atlantic changed So when we're talking about what Plato's record Solon are hearing from Zonkas We have to bear in mind that what Zonkas is referring to is a notion that circles the world

11:54 Okay, and he calls it the Atlantic Ocean But he also calls it the real ocean and he says compared to the minute. The Mediterranean is but a bay to this world ocean and so in the course of my Investigations I came across a map of the world This is on our website at Atlantis in Antarctica where the world is depicted from Antarctica. And what it looks like is very much like a dartboard, in the middle is Antarctica then there's this big ocean that goes all around which includes the Atlantic, the Indian Pacific Ocean and all of the oceans as a single unit and then the rest of the continent seem to encircle the world ocean when you're looking at the world from Antarctica

12:49 It's very different from our European concept. But what we're saying in Atlantis Beneath the Ice is that Plato's description of what Zonkis, the Egyptian priest told Solon refers to a real ocean and that perspective that he gives is an accurate extremely accurate description of the entire Earth's geography as seen from Antarctica And that is like just straightforward. An explanation of why people haven't understood the Plato's account of Atlantis, is because they've always been fixated that the Atlantic meant the North Atlantic when in reality as far as the Greeks were concerned at the Atlantic and the real ocean and what oceanographers call The World Ocean because in reality

13:46 Our planet only has one ocean. If you look at Antarctica, at a globe and ask yourself what ocean it's in? You'd have to say that it is both in the South Atlantic, the Indian, South Indian and the South Pacific but reality there's no division between those bodies of water. Yeah they're just kind of arbitrary imaginary lines made by humans There were historical ways in which the Europeans took a grip on the world's geography. So when Magellan made it through the Straits of Gibraltar, between South America and Antarctica and got... And it was so treacherous! It was absolutely treacherous he didn't hardly... He barely made it through there. He was the first to go around the world. When he got to the Pacific, he called it The Peaceful Ocean that is why we call it The Pacific Ocean

14:37 Vasco da Gama, when he got to India by going around South America called that the Indian Ocean. So what you're having here is that the Atlantic ocean of the Greeks time gets subdivided up by the European explorers and we end up with several oceans when in reality as oceanographers will tell you there is but one ocean it's a continuous body of water and compared to it The Mediterranean is but a bay with a narrow entrance. And that is actually in the description that Zonkis gives to Solon So what Zonkis is describing, is how the world looks like from Atlantis

15:23 And in that description, it's an accurate depiction of what the U.S. Naval Support Force drew a map of Antarctica at the center and when you compare that map to what Plato said then everything that has been a mystery for two-and-a-half thousand years is suddenly resolved because all those things he says in there make sense once you understand that Atlantis and Antarctica are the same. Man, that's fascinating stuff man! Well let's talk a little bit about the society of Atlantis what have the writings told us about what the society structure might have been like? Oh well it was a constitutional monarchy there was ten provinces or states but if you like each of them had their own leader

16:18 Each of them were elected, they weren't elected. They were hereditary kings of each of the provinces We don't know a lot but what Plato records is what Zonkas told Solon, and what Zonkas told Solon was that this was an extremely advanced engineering civilization with massive megalithic projects. that would dwarf the pyramids. Things like massive canals, the buildings that are described in the city of Atlantis because Atlantis refers not only to the continent, the island continent of Atlantis but it also refers to the capital which is Atlantis just like New York, New York. It's Atlantis-Atlantis and in the city of Atlantis its huge! Its about the size of London

17:18 almost exactly the size of Greater London and the inner London is about to say a size of Inner London as well. We show that in in the book The, it was done in concentric circles there's so there's a lot of engineering done they put a great deal of influence on their gardens and plants are very important They have a racetrack The temple is huge, it's just gigantic. It would be like the size of the Great Pyramid that kind of size of a temple and The biggest project was the canals that directed all water from the mountains To the city so they came into the city at a higher level and then sort of trickled through us everybody had Water even

18:11 the concentric circles, there's islands. There is water between each of the concentric circles and there are bridges that go over the water and on the railings of the water, there is... The bridge has water coming down so there is ample supply of There may have even been some hot spring things like hot water as well. The actual culture he doesn't really get into very much other than that they were extremely sophisticated as far as building is concerned. That's interesting because a lot of people tend to refer to it as some type of utopian society in the past, but you state that is a monarchy which doesn't sound very utopian to me and the monarchies I'm familiar with seem pretty corrupt

19:05 Well, yeah. I don't think that the influence of course goes back to Francis Bacon and The New Atlantis. He wrote this book called The New Atlantis, Francis Bacon in it time of Shakespeare, and in that he sees it is a utopian society Atlantis. And probably somewhere beyond America as well within that so that started the whole sort of high tech element and high scientists element there's so much more written about Atlantis in fiction than there is in nonfiction when it comes down to nonfiction really you start with Plato

19:44 There's very little that is added to the story until the middle of the 17th century when a German Jesuit priest who in his time was as famous in the world as Albert Einstein was at the last century. His name was Athanasius Kircher, he was German born but lived most of his life in Rome He was a Jesuit priest And as you probably know, the Jesuits had armies of priests collecting things from around the world and sending them to Rome. Right? Yeah. And one of the things that he collected was a... which claims have come from Egypt was a map of Atlantis. Now this is the first real thing

20:34 other piece of information that is, uh...other than Plato. That is separate from Plato and this map people probably have seen it It looks as though he when Kircher saw the map he interpreted As an island in the middle of the north atlantic because he said according to the police of the egyptians and description of playdough so he's already locked into the atlantic being simply to the west. And he but he did you maintain that the notion on map which was south was up

21:13 So what we did is we took that map and just left it as it was, and then took a geophysical map of globe rather which shows what Antarctica looks like without its ice. And put it right up against it. The comparison between what ice-free Antarctica looks like in this Atlantean map Of Atlantis is startling and that was really the main thing that really got me on this. This was back in 1976, if you can believe it. And I was really... That's the thing that made me think okay there's something here more than just a story. It can't be... How is it possible

21:57 that a map published in 1665 can show Antarctica's position relative to South America, to Madagascar and South America plus its island archipelago. All those things are in the map that we only learned of in the mid-1970s So, this map was like 300 years ahead of its time in terms of what Antarctica looked like but it's labeled as a map of Atlantis. Wow! Is that the Perry Rees Map you're referring to? No that's the Kirker Map The Kirker Map Yeah The Perry Rees Map is pretty famous ancient maps some people referred to it as a hoax or think couldn't have been as old as it is but it is pretty unique I mean all are you talk about what so unique about does it relate to Atlanta at all

22:47 Well, it does in this sense. First of all This It can't be a hoax because it was people ever referring to it It was published in 1513 people know about it and 1513 You know so it was around in 1513 the thing that's so amazing about the pit well Piri Reis Was an admiral on the Turkish? The Ottoman Empire he was a Turkish Admiral and What he obtained some of the maps that Columbus had they captured one of Columbus's ships and Before normally what happens when you get caps just you think you're gonna be captured. You throw your maps overboard but because geography is secret in at that time

23:34 But they managed to capture his maps and they got some other maps. And Piri Reis became a map maker, he made this big map it's quite large map about two by three feet on a deer skin so it lasted a long time and the thing that is amazing about it was lost to the world until 1929 when they were doing some renovations at the museum in Istanbul, and they came across it. And some scholars realized its significance because it showed South America all the way down to Antarctica accurately with longitude. Now you have to bear in mind that Europeans weren't capable of determining longitudine at sea until the 1770s

24:26 Yet this map in 1513 is accurately depicting points that are within half a degree of their true positions. But the most startling aspect of it is, that as you go down the map to the bottom, it starts to show parts of Antarctica that are beneath the ice. That is they're showing what seismic surveys show us lies beneath the ice So this map in 1513 depicts several elements of Antarctica beneath the ice. So what we believe is that when Atlantis was destroyed, the survivors were in ships

25:14 And the things that survives after many, many centuries is maps. One of the things that survives plus the art of astronomy because the sailors know astronomy so astronomy and cartography are things that live on even after all the ships have been broken up and sunk to the bottom of the sea there's still people taking the maps they had now these maps depict the world of 12,000 years ago. They depict the world as it was in the time of Atlantis and so what it's suggesting is that there was advanced geographic knowledge of the Earth's geography before the end of their last ice age which is something that is so startlingly unacceptable to traditional views of history

26:10 That's what I love about it. You know, I love when that kind of stuff just turns conventional knowledge on its head. Do you think if we were to dig into the ice in Antarctica we would find ruins of these massive structures? Well... I do believe that in some parts of Antarctica where the ice is not very thick, there are possibilities of finding remnants of Atlantis. However in the main area we believed the city was, a lot of snow has fallen there over 12 thousand years and snow doesn't really preserve fruit and vegetables but it doesn't preserve cultures because

26:54 Ice is flowing in slow motion, it's like a river. And it's very slow motion so the weight tends to grind everything down So if you're looking for something in Antarctica as a remnant of Atlantis You're going to have to look at areas where the snowfall wasn't that great And there are areas of whole areas where the where this could be explored out or in what I call like the eddies if you imagine that if you look at a river and you have a rock. in the river and the water goes around the rock. So on the downside of the river, there's not a ... things can be preserved in the eddies of the rock. Likewise, the mountains that are in Antarctica where the snow is moving that moves in and around these mountains and then the eddies of that there would be places where things could be preserved. Man! That would be such a find. Well let's talk about how

27:56 How it got to be that way? How it got to be in a place where Antarctica is now. I mean, take us back 12 thousand years ago what was going on because apparently this is obviously a habitable area did it move to the pole or did the poles shift how does this theory work Well, what we use is the theory of—it's called Earth crust displacement. Now if you think of the outer shell of the Earth like imagine that you have an orange and peel off the peel then reattach the peel okay so now they peel the orange part of the orange if you like or the peel can move independent of the interior

28:43 And what we're talking about is the entire outer crust of the Earth being shifted some 30 degrees. And so we're talking about not just the continents, but also the ocean basins. So don't think of this... people get confused with plate tectonics. Plate tectonics is the idea that there's a Earth made up of series of plates which is true We are not disputing plate tectonics and that they are gradually very very gradually moving in relationship to each other takes millions of years before you see or see big differences We're not talking about that. What we're talking, but what plate tectonics assumes is that below the cross there's a mobile layer it's called the asthenosphere means weak zone and then below that is the mantle and then there are other parts of the interior But what Charles Hapgood did and he did this in complete association with Albert Einstein over a period of three years

29:42 in correspondence. The correspondence is over 200 pages long, and I've read it all and Albert Einstein guided the research and Hapgood undertook it And in that, he came to believe that the entire outer shell of our Earth periodically displaces as much as 30 degrees. So now if you want to take a look at what the world... Let's take a look at North America for example, as it was before the displacement. At that time, the Earth's crust that was over the north pole or the axis was in the Hudson Bay rather than the Arctic Ocean So then you had, of course the polar zone is all covering North America. Most of North America

30:26 And that's why you have this big ice sheet on North America. That's why you've got the Great Lakes and all the remnants of the, uh...of the ice sheets that were there So North America 12 thousand years ago was kind of like Antarctica is today It was uninhabitable for large part only the fringes like Southern California then in the very bottom of like Florida and Texas and all that area and even there they're pretty cold but When you get to New England, it's under ice. You get New York State and New York is completely under ice Michigan is under ice almost all the area if your anywhere near a great lake today than 12000 years ago you would have been under ice so

31:10 The thing that's strange about this though, while New York and New England and all these other areas are under ice. Up in Alaska and across Alaska into Siberia there isn't big ice sheets There is people... I mean there are animals up there living that are temperate zone adapted They require a lot of large quantities of grass and open lands and stuff, and they are there. And they're existing there at their time of Atlantis Siberia was not cold as it is today it was warm it was temperate

31:49 If you go from Siberia, they call that Beringa the landmass that used to exist between Alaska and Siberia. It's now underwater but 12000 years ago there was so much ice on North America and Antarctica in Greenland and Europe that the ocean level was much lower than it is today And so you had a landmass that joined Alaska and Siberia and Berindjer together. That was a continuous land mass, that wasn't separated by water like it is today. If you go through exactly through the center of the earth and pop out to the other side is called the Antipodes, the opposite side of the earth then your in what's called Western Antarctica. That is part of Antarctica closest to South America

32:39 And that's where the maps we're showing, we're seeing maps showing parts of Antarctica without ice there. The Kirker map is showing that section doesn't have ice and what we're saying is that just as Siberia and Beringia and Alaska was temperate during the last so-called Ice Age, so also was a third of Antarctica and bear in mind Antarctica is the size of North America, a third of Antarctica is temperate. Two-thirds are still polar but one third is temperate and it has all these really favorable ocean currents that would make it warmer than the latitudes that its at at time So the Earth's Cross Displacement Theory is basically a movement on the entire outer shell of the Earth's cross

33:38 11,500 years ago. And what it did is at that time North America left the polar zone and melted you got the Great Lakes, the ocean level rose and Antarctica as well everything is moving including... The entire shell was moving It's not part or continents or anything the entire thing is moving so all of South America is moving south I am in Antarctica Atlantis moves right into the polar zone so from being a temperate zone island condit it suddenly becomes ice encapsulated.

34:22 Man, that's super interesting. How does this coincide with stories of like the Great Flood which most people assume is water melting from the global ice age? I mean do you think rather than one ice age event the reason various continents show they were once covered in ice because these land masses just moved through the polar areas Well, the land masses are... Remember it's the crust that is moving. That includes the ocean basins Right Yeah so everything is moving So what we think of flood is first of all there's tidal waves when you have a crustal displacement because Oh sure yeah Major earthquakes right? So your getting tsunamis like you wouldn't see today

35:03 I mean, this is major. So you're getting floods through tsunamis that are almost continuous for a short period of time then of course once the what's particularly North America Is out of the polar zone as in the temperate zone it just there's a ferocious melt-off and And for 6,000 years the ocean will rise rises but in that first century It was really really really a lot happening in terms of the change of the ocean level and there's Extinctions happening at this time, and there's also other things happening are very interesting like origins of agriculture There's one particular Site in Turkey that is extremely interesting probably the oldest one in the world we could talk about that later but you were talking about the flood and what we did

35:55 on the study of the flood in Atlantis Beneath the Ices, we looked at all the stories of the flood that made mention one of two things. Either a change in the sky somehow because when the Earth's crust shifts it seems as though the sky is falling It's actually of course the crust moving, but it seems as though the sky is calling our first book was called when the sky fell but So we found all around the world in different the different versions of the notion that That that the sky changes before the flood that there's a or there's a change in the Sun Of the pit where the sun rises where it sets Or the stars seem to fall

36:48 All throughout the world we find that the flood, the great flood is associated with a traumatic change in the sky. The other thing that we found was that when, because we looked at all the myths of the flood that we could get our hands on. And I did this over a period of two years and I was a librarian at the time and so like I could get all the books and I got all the books and I read them all in it, read all the stories of the floods I can get my hands on. Out of that we found like half a dozen stories where before the flood there's mention of a lost island paradise

37:25 Now this is really interesting because Plato's story, he's accused of inventing it. But when you put the Atlantis story into the larger framework of world mythology and now you're looking at world mythology and saying okay flood here's one thing that happened let me give you example In British Columbia, where I live in the interior. In the Rocky Mountains there's the Okanagan people they also live in Washington State and they have a story of having arrived in North America after having been catastrophically displaced from an island paradise in the middle of the ocean that's associated with whiteness

38:16 And they called it Sumatuiwula. Okay, that sound... It's kind of like na-na-na-na-na-na. Yeah? Yeah okay! Now let's go to Japan and their oldest story is in the Kojiki it's called. It's the story of ancient things And in the very beginning of the creation of the world, in the Japanese version of mythology a god and goddess stood over the earth which was considered to be like a globe full water. Kinda gooey stuff water though not regular water

38:55 And they stick down a spear into that and twirl it around. And that's what supposed to cause the earth to spin, right? And as they bring up the spear droplets fall near the pole and that is the Japanese islands so...and they called it Onogorojima. Dara dara dara. Phonetically it sounds similar! Exactly So now we go to ancient Iran and they have the Vedic literature that comes out of India. And there's one particularly, the oldest document in Iran, ancient Iran is called the Zen Vesta. In the Zen Vesta they talk about an island in the ocean

39:46 that is destroyed by a flood and a great blizzard that brings a dire winter on the original homeland, forcing the people to leave in big ships taking with them the seeds of life and making their way to a new land. Now the original land they left was called Arianna Bejo. Da da da da da da. So we have from Iran, Japan and British Columbia the same sound pattern referring to an island. Now if you combine them all it's a white island continent in the middle of the ocean which is associated with whiteness and is now covered in snow and ice that's Antarctica so yeah

40:37 So what we're saying is that even if Plato had not written down the account that was given to him by his ancestors, and there would still be looking for a lost island paradise whether it be called Eden or Sumatwiwula or Onagorajima or Eriana of Asia. We'd still be looking for a lost Island Paradise that existed before the flood That's the common story. It is very interesting when it comes to the peopling of America, what archaeologists have done is they've tried to paste onto the native North Americans that we call them First Nations in Canada, paste on to them the European experience of well, we left voluntarily and came to this new land and explored it and conquered

41:33 That's not the story that the First Nations say. The First Nations repeatedly say, we lived somewhere else often it is referenced to an island which we were catastrophically displaced from escaped in ships and landed here That's what they're saying in British Columbia, that's what they're saying among the Cherokee. That's what they are saying in Mexico and South America

42:09 So, throughout the Americas you get stories of people saying the reason that we arrived here was because we were catastrophically displaced from our homeland which was destroyed during The Great Flood. That's what the First Nations are saying. Archaeologists give no credence to that whatsoever and we do. Yeah wow! That is fascinating stuff man so this cross displacement is this a fairly sudden thing? It must be cause it seems like we'd have to be generally stable or we probably notice some something, maybe astrological alignments being more off than they are. So is this like something that happens pretty rapidly? I believe it does happen very rapidly. I think it's in a matter of weeks since happened. Weeks! Yeah weeks

42:57 I've now to be fair Charles have good who I Corresponded with and was my mentor. He believed it took 5,000 years for an Earth crust displacement to occur So, I mean I am very different from him and the reason that I'm different yeah What do you base that on? Okay well first of all the abruptness of the changes that are occurring at 9600 BC First of all, before that time we almost have no evidence of agriculture anywhere in the world. And then suddenly it's a bit – it's in all the continents other than Australia. I mean you're getting potatoes being domesticated in South America. You're

43:41 maize being domesticated in Mexico, you're getting wheat and barley in the Middle East. You're getting rice in Asia—in several places simultaneously using different species of rice but recreating this thing. And I My very first paper that I wrote about the whole theory of Earthquake displacement was published in the Anthropological Journal of Canada. It's in the appendix of both When The Sky Fell and Atlantis Beneath The Ice, and it...that showed that there was a direct core relationship between the emergence of agriculture upon which all civilization is based, and the destruction at that occurred with the last Earthquakes displacement

44:30 We did, of course in the scientific article you couldn't get that published and say anything about Atlantis so I didn't. At the time that I wrote it I believed that Lattice was this was the hidden hand behind the re-emergence of agriculture but you couldn't say that in an academic journal and expect it to be published but it was published in the scientific literature and it shows that at that time abrupt changes occur from hunting and gathering which have been going on for A million years maybe? Definitely. Maybe at least 200,000 years of Homo sapiens and then suddenly wham! All around the world there's these experiments with agriculture occurring in the very century that Zonkas told Solon Atlantis was destroyed

45:24 The other thing that happened at that time abruptly as well is there was massive extinctions. And those extensions are equal all the way around the world, they were particularly pronounced in North America, Siberia and South America And the reason is, if you take a basketball in your hand and you've got it in your hand so that your own palms are facing each other. Then you twist the ball, the basketball, so that the greatest change is happening around your nose. You get that idea? That line where there's the great amount of change goes right through

46:08 North America South America comes back to Asia through Siberia and there that's where the massive extinctions were now if you're near the where your palms are like which happened to be like the Congo and south The South Pacific then there's hardly any extensions at all because of the changes in latitude You're not your your your your tropical, and you remain tropical or you're temperate and you remain temperate. It's places that are going from polar to temperate, or temperate to tropical, or tropical to temperate, or temperate to polar where there is a lot of deaths and that's what happening very rapidly around 9600 BC so I think it's another indication that things are happening rapidly

46:59 That's interesting. So how does this tie into at all, like it's kind of similar to the 2012 prophecy people talking about a pole shift? I mean how often does this happen is this something that we're due for? Well, we believe it happens every 41 thousand years and it's been 12 and a half thousands of years. So we still got nearly 30 thousand year before it happens again And may not happen again at all because one of the factors that contributes to maybe not the key factor but might be build up of ice sheets you see Global warming is preventing buildup of ice sheet which is normal state affairs on human planet

47:41 So, the next time we come around and the circumstances occur where we are at the Earth's tilt is at a maximum. And there's maybe a solar flare from the sun an electromagnetic storm hits the Earth at the pole goes down into the center of the earth heats it up. a theory developed by a guy named Friedman in Florida as a cause for the Earth's crust displacement, then the whole asthenosphere which is the layer right below the crust gets liquefied. Normally it's like tar but if it gets heated it turns into like lava and that allows the Earth's crust to shift

48:31 So, that's what we think happens. It may very well happen very abruptly but we don't believe it would do for a long time. How much traction has this theory really gotten? Because I mean even with conventional theories of the Earth's ancient past were still left with some inconsistencies and unsolved problems Do you think Earth crust displacement theory would provide more logical answer for some those problems Well, yes. I mean, what we showed with the origins of agriculture was that... For example let's take tropical, the origins of tropical agriculture because that is really simple There is a place in South America Incidentally before the last displacement most of South America was in the Northern Hemisphere Because the crust was in different position relative to the Earth axis

49:25 Then, okay so there is an area. So the change was about 2,000 miles say it's approximately 2000 miles. There is a spot where that was 1,000 miles north of the equator. And after this displacement it ended up 1,000 south of the equator. So you can imagine...you can see that a place that had retained its relationship to the equator as being exactly the same just moving hemispheres That is Lake Titicaca Where there are great lot of big pyramids there. Potatoes were first domesticated

50:06 So, the Earth Coast Displacement pinpoints Lake Titicaca area as an area of ecological reserve if you like during the displacement because the climate didn't change a lot. If you go right straight through the middle of the earth from Lake Titicaca and hit center of the earth then come out pop up on the other side you end up in Thailand And that's where rice was domesticated around this time as well And there's other areas that are midway between the two equators as well, like in Ethiopia at the headwaters of the Blue Nile. That's where millet was domesticated. So and then when you turn to the big area that was... we're now looking at the area that had been tropical and went temperate

51:00 And it had joined an area that was temperate. So all the plants and animals that were adapted to living in the temperate zone, survived because it was still temperate after Now they had a whole new area they could move into which is newly temperate, which would formerly be tropical This area extends from Egypt through the Middle East through India right to China Is where the first five civilizations we know about occur And that's where all the agricultural origins are, the vast majority of agricultural origins on our planet occur in this one crescent that goes from Egypt through Crete through the Middle East into India into China. So the Earth's crust displacement theory organizes the origins of agriculture on a global scale both at temperate and tropical

51:54 This is very convincing stuff, man. Go on! So that's just one unsolved problem of agriculture Let's look at the more...the longer unsolved problem is the Ice Ages Now we tend to think and all the research into the origins of the ice ages is still based upon a false fixation, which was that it was overall global temperatures dropping. We can falsify that very easily because we know that during a time when New England was under ice, Siberia was warmer. So if the Earth's crust hadn't shifted and temperatures were dropping why is Siberia having animals and humans and people living there and temperate animals living there while New England is under ice? What we're saying is Ice Ages are always with us

52:53 Really, if you live in a polar zone—if you're in Antarctica, you're in an ice age. If you are in the Arctic Circle, you are in an ice age. And just that the crust moves through these polar zones —in and out of these polar zones—and as it moves into them, creates ice sheets. As it moves out, it melts off. What we can explain is the glaciation patterns in North America, Europe and Asia for the past 100,000 years through three Earth crust displacements or during that time. No other theory exists that is capable of explaining simultaneously why there was ice sheets in British Columbia, ice sheets in Quebec and Ontario and Europe but not Siberia. Ours can

53:47 Because we really say there's always a nice age. It's just if you're in the polar zone or not Yeah, it makes sense to me man, but let's look at The more conventional views of where the discoveries of Atlantis might have been. I mean, some people are saying that they're finding these ruins beneath sea level near Spain or off the coast of Cuba. Those are two areas I hear talked about most. What do you think those are? Are they just other cities destroyed by this displacement shift? Well here's a thing if you're talking about Atlantis, you have to go to Plato

54:25 And then when you go to Plato, you're ultimately going to Solon. The conversation between Zonkis and Solon everything else is speculation. This is the only thing that exists and it's on because makes it absolutely clear That it's an island continent. It's the size of Libya and Asia combined is what he said, which is the size of North Africa in the Middle East combined. In other words, its bigger than the North Atlantic Ocean for example So, if it's an island continent how can it be Spain or someplace like that? It just got to be too big not fit the story. What they almost always do and all of these theories that talk about is they say oh this is exaggeration

55:15 that it wasn't really 9,000 years ago. It was 900 years ago or the size is magnified by 1,000% or something. So what they have to do is they have to distort what Sankist told Solon in order to have their theories fit. We don't have to do that with Antarctica. Antarctica is an island continent in the middle of the real ocean It, there's no distortion there. Yeah that makes sense I mean so i guess these are just other little cities because I assume with such a radical change there probably would be tons of anything on the coast would be

55:58 destroyed, I assume. Yeah. The in the story that Tonkas tells Solon he does mention that there are call gives notion that there were colonies outside of Atlantis the idea that there was other places now all all those would have been at the sea level at the time of Atlantis which was Oh, it's about 100 meters difference between today. Today the ocean is a hundred meters higher than it was at the time of Atlantis because all the ice that was on the sheet on North America and Greenland and all these other places had melted not green but has it melted there? But so you have when Atlantis was destroyed

56:51 all the ports at that time that were at sea level, ultimately within a century were gone. And within 6,000 years there's no reference so what you have is you find things under the water that are remnants of these colonies possibly and those can show up just about anywhere whether it be the Caribbean or off of South America or off of California It could show up anywhere because they had colonies around the world Yeah. Now has anyone really looked into this? Has anyone done any expeditions? I mean, I know the Nazis seem to have a fascination with the Poles do you think they were onto this idea at all?

58:23 Yeah, here's the thing. Okay. Gobleki Tepe is a site in Turkey near the Syrian border. It dates to the very century that Zoncas said the Palaeo- Atlantis was destroyed 9600 BC and The thing that's interesting it's what it is. It's a huge site only 10% of it has been excavated. But what they have found in these oldest structures, there's sort of like...it's kind of like a stone hedge type thing. There are these 18 ton T-shaped blocks of stones, solid blocks of stone that are in circles and there is a series of them and the oldest ones date to the time of the destruction of Atlantis

59:15 And as time goes by, as like you know a century goes or two centuries three centuries they continue to build there but they aren't capable of building as well is the first ones. And that seems to be to me to be a remnant of the Atlantean engineering capacities so well documented in Plato had all these engineering capacities So this thing that's so strange about Gobekli Tepe is that here you have a place where everybody in all our official archaeology says it's all hunting and gathering throughout the world. There's no civilization until say 6000 BC, suddenly this thing is a civilization at the same century that Atlantis was destroyed! We just moved from the beginning of civilization

1:00:08 What what they say in malta but it been the first one you know before egypt and submit oldest wanna be six thousand years ago this is nearly twelve thousand years so the clock on the origins of agriculture with by discovery of go blackie teppy goes right back Twice as long as we thought it was. So what we thought civilization began 6,000 years ago is more like 11 and a half thousand years ago civilization began and it began at Gobekli Tepe And within a hundred mile diameter of where Gobleki Tepe is, you have all these origins of agriculture sites very old also dating to the same century as Atlantis. There's one in Syria that's just less than 40-50 miles from Gobleki Tepe that has wheat, barley rabbits goats pigs

1:01:08 Being domesticated for the very first time and it's so what the German archaeologist who is in charge of? The goblet eat up II he's come up with a theory of what what would have what is happening there, and he calls it a temple And that the temple inspired people to Go to agriculture We think that what it really is, this is survivors from Atlantis in boats who have the engineering capacity to create megalithic structures and also know that they need to get agriculture rebooted. And that's what's happening at Go Blacky Tepe

1:01:53 They're creating a megalithic structure that will draw people, hunters and gatherers to them. And then they're directing the hunter-gatherer how to do agriculture so that they can sustain it So they are trying to reboot civilization It ultimately failed but it was an attempt and it was the earliest evidence of what we call civilization in the world because I mean Normally for civilization to be, any culture to be called a civilization you have to have agriculture or permanent buildings and writing. You could have two of three of those and it's still called the civilization but without... And they had permanent buildings very sophisticated and there is absolutely no evidence of the learning curve

1:02:47 Like, they don't start to build these little stump-sized T shaped stones. Yeah! They just go for it. By yourself and then work their way up to these 18 ton ones... No! They start with the 18 ton ones and then through time they diminish down to the little ones. Right. That suggests prior knowledge It does And there's no evidence whatsoever anywhere in the world of that kind of ability to do that kind of masonry that exists at Coblecki Tepe, except for one story that exists. That had that very time when that was being built and advanced civilization was destroyed called Atlantis

1:03:32 Wow, that is a fascinating thread. Very solid case man it's shocking how little we know about the past has either been lost or kept secret or rewritten and manipulated Man you know this has been a fascinating chat I mean it really makes you wonder um...I really appreciate you coming here the hour just flew by Would you like to tell the people a little bit more about your books and where they can get them or anything else that you're working on? Oh sure. Well, the current book is Atlantis Beneath The Ice You can get that in just about any bookstore and... Or Amazon or whatever you can so there's also e-book of it The book I wrote before that was Atlanta's Blueprint with Colin Wilson Colin Wilson just died last month

1:04:21 And so this is one of his best-selling books. He's written over a hundred books, he wrote over 100 books And the Atlantis Blueprint is really about, more about the megalithic structures around the world and how they fit into a global pattern that can be interpreted by understanding Earth's crust displacement. It's a little bit complicated to get quickly into but that's what that's about. And then the very first book we wrote was When The Sky Fell of which Atlantis Beneath The Ice is a new revised and expanded edition of

1:04:57 Very cool. All right, man. Well thanks again I really appreciate you really got my brain going okay good all right man enjoy the day Thank you very much. Thank you Wow people there it is ran phlegm off and the earth crust displacement theory what if guys What fucking F? I love it it. So if you like Reddit, if you have any guest requests or ideas for the show please check that out. I look at it every day so your voice will be heard It's just slash higher side chats Alright! I'm fucking out

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