Ryan Patrick Burns | Skinwalker Ranch, Paranormal Portals, & The Wolverine

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01:29 Well, there is something strange in your neighborhood today dear people. From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and for years we've been speaking with researchers and experts in an effort to better understand the secrets and mysteries of the world one being the existence of non-human entities and we've heard many different perspectives on this along the way Some say they're aliens coming here from a distant world, some say they are more likely spiritual beings from another dimension of some kind summonable by ritual magic. Others will tell you they are the product of dimethyl tryptamine in the brain and few will even suggest that these superior beings are true masters of our earthly terrarium and farmers of human crops from facilities deep underground or on the dark side of the moon

02:11 We also speculate about government involvement. Do deep state military contractors have alien artifacts and exotic metamaterials from crash sites and portal places? Do secret societies maintain some type of contact with things non-human? Is NASA a bland vanilla overlay to something much more foreign than the masses can take? Obviously these are the things we wonder about, but it's clear that it can't all amount to nothing Well, one of the hottest hotspots for high strangeness is the vast deserts of the American Southwest where we find heightened activity along certain parallels but also more specifically near the place they call Skinwalker Ranch in rural Utah.

02:53 A place that spiked in notoriety in the 90s after some strange experiences came to light and the ranch ended up being purchased by billionaire Robert Bigelow who, in the years since has rocketed to the forefront of private aerospace operations. A reality that many believe is connected to this intense study of this paranormally potent area Folks, today's guest Ryan Patrick Burns has told me that much has changed since then and he would know as several years ago he reorganized his life to focus on the pursuit of these mysteries operating a quaint tranquil rustic bed-and-breakfast by day and exploring the vastness of the landscape by night.

03:31 He now has a Rolodex of experiences that blows more minds than the US military. Rubbing elbows with top researchers and connected contractors, meeting with Navajo elders that claim to be skinwalkers themselves, seeing dogmen men in black and even being shot by beams of light from orbs in the sky all while keeping tabs on the ranch its surrounding area and the changing of the guard that recently took place He writes about all these experiences and more in his two published books on the subject, Skinwalker and Beyond and The Utah UFO Ranch. But he also has a third book in the works which I have had the privilege of reading before its release that brings the latest and greatest to the table as well and I can't wait to dive into it! The Utah UFO ranch researcher and paranormal portal pursuer Mr Burns welcome to the higher side. Thank you so much Greg amazing introduction

04:24 Thanks I try and i am so psyched to do this in fact we're sitting here now because you happen to be a plus member who left a comment on one of the shows that said hit me up for an NDA free skinwalker ranch episode. And how was intrigued by that i reached out and you shared not only your two most recent books but also some privileged photos and videos, Some which do show strange looking canines, not exactly humanoid but not very typical either. But also maybe the best footage of seeing an opening and closing portal like thing that I've seen pretty wild stuff! And i'm really glad we ended up here to get the ball rolling. I guess tell us a little bit about how you ended up in that area? Maybe give us a bit more context for why the area is so special

05:11 Absolutely. The area is special for a variety of reasons, but to answer your first question I was a fly fishing guide in the area this was back in the mid 90's before there was any idea that this property at the epicenter or the area general had these unique traits and I had a situation where I saw light in the sky ended up getting injured And to make a long story short i was just driving around because it can work looking for fishing spots stuff like that and i drove right down the road there was no gates back then. There was an older native american i couldn't tell if they were male or female and they just didn't look very good.

06:05 It draggled. They had a Navajo blanket over them, which is odd now in retrospect because this is youth country and I stopped trying to be the good Samaritan and I rolled down my window and said hey can I give you a ride somewhere? it said nothing. It just kind of crept into the vehicle and within seconds it was like having my Rolodex just completely accessed Like I'd been hacked and everything just mind drape really like just accessing all your files. And it was just phenomenal, like horrible and emotional experience the way it ended up is I was found at Bottle Hollow Reservoir by the Bureau of Indian Affairs basically my truck was parked and I was hanging out of the driver door

06:59 with my seatbelt holding me in just catatonic. And I guess they woke me up and I came right to, they knew right away I wasn't drunk did the tests and basically said what happened? And when I told them they said we think you got that by the skinwalker well i've never heard that term before Wow, man. That's pretty wild. That's pretty wild even that someone like that would disclose to you that that would be a possibility but that seems to be par for the course in this area right? I mean this is the hottest of hot spots Yeah it really is and In speaking with law enforcement I've had the pleasure of doing that just when you're going into same spot thousands of times they get to know you and usually the Bureau of Indian Affairs at the first call

07:50 And so, you know they're constantly running your ID and they start to chat with you. Eventually they'll start telling you stories that just make the hair on your neck stand up. I love it man! To talk about Robert Bigelow and the ranch itself, I think people know that this is a hotbed for high strangeness. We have this provocative story of a billionaire buying the secluded ranch and investing a huge amount of money in military-style security but can you elaborate on the backstory a bit for people who are only vaguely familiar with it? As you said when you got there and you had this initial experience there were no

08:30 gates and fences and security drones up but things have changed get us from point a to point b yeah robert bigelow purchased the ranch in an effort to attain something that was very unique at the time like i said it was basically a family being completely bombarded by this dormant land that had been laying there. It's like they came and knocked the dust off of it, so to speak. And there was immediately a multitude of cryptozoological poltergeist activity UFOs unidentified smaller craft triangles strange humanoids portals opening up you name it tons for lack of better word men with the heads of dogs and just fascinating

09:25 Bigelow attacked this, he spearheaded this huge campaign getting the best minds aiming them in the direction of us and attacking it through scientific method. And unfortunately what was found was that it could care less about scientific method and It can use every exception to the rule to its benefit and leave absolutely no trace itself. Hmm...and I've seen A lot of footage and pictures of the space itself. It does just seem like barren land, kind of as you said. Of course there are some facilities but this is a lot of acreage that's just kinda open out there But there are some weird elements to it Like I think the most provocative is probably The bait pens These little Pens that seems set up in the middle of clearings To kinda

10:19 maybe put a goat or cow in there and see what happens. Obviously, cattle mutilations are in the mix of all this weirdness but what can you say about some of the things that you've seen out there? You know happen to be out there that kind of add to the mystery Yeah, the area is just so unique from a historical perspective. It's cursed land and then it also has curses going back and forth between Buffalo soldiers who were stationed there to control Fort Duchesne and the Ute tribe that was there at the time And most of those Prince Hall Mason Buffalo soldiers were also practicing voodoo. So there was curses going back the other way, add to that there was like an underlying curse from the Navajo upon the Ute. The Ute kind of screwed the Nava over in a lot of ways and everything from getting ripped out of San Luis Valley Colorado which is also very paranormal too being added to the slave trade

11:19 Anyway, there was this curse that was placed upon them known as the Curse of the Skinwalker. So this is underlying all of this and geographically you have this like array of ridgelines that are phenomenally gorgeous but rugged and they're very porous And so right along the same stretch, the central Utah project decided to put huge power lines massive power lines and they're old and aging at this point. And their shelves have cracked the EMF coming off of them is just phenomenal. And then you have the seeping water coming through this otherwise very porous sandstone from Bottle Holler Reservoir down towards the ranch itself and everything just kind of erupts right there. Wow!

12:09 And to go back to the comment that kind of got us here when you mentioned an NDA free skinwalker episode in your writings, do talk about hosting Jacques Vallée at your place and plenty of contacts within the inner circle of scientific researchers that you've made over the years. I'm not sure if you heard my show with Diana Posulka about her book American Cosmic but in the same way you seem to have a a few contacts that you can't name and know of few things that you can't disclose. But I guess, I'd ask what can you say about the invisible college so to speak? Yes interestingly, I have become more and more as time goes on aware some of these secret societies that for lack of a better word, I say they're secret societies because people aren't aware of them. Some of them are actually

13:03 government units, others more occult organizations. Others are more religious in nature and I'm mostly fascinated with one of your frequent guests Nick Redford we've spoken about some of the situations and We're under the same impression that we're dealing with this Collins elite if you will have the government and it's highly funded and well known But not in the way that they actually know who the members are but it's just there where. So we hear secret and often times we think nefarious and i'm trying to get out of that,

13:50 specific context because that's not always true and if there is a mysterious place on the planet and some billionaire buys it in quarantine set off and a bunch of, high level academics and scientists come in study yet don't talk about it i mean. That's not necessarily nefarious. It's not like they're doing anything, they're just trying to figure out what this thing is and it's outside of the confines of what society will accept. Maybe there's some manipulation there but that's kind of outside of their realm. They can't really do much about that. What are your thoughts about the morality or just these people that you do know and you have met? And the fact that this is all big secret

14:37 It's fascinating. It's like the biggest secret never told it is literally this tongue in cheek. There's just camaraderie, the deeper you get and it's almost like they know, you know? And I say this because as time goes on, I've noticed that I've started joining into many fringe science organizations if I can. I'm studying remote viewing as much as I can practicing it as much as I can getting into a lot of these perceptions that are otherwise not attained by the majority of the population. And the reason is, I think a lot of the terms that secret societies use for example and the less open-minded to ancient teachings of Egyptian Elysian type organizations what you find is they're open to contact with other entities

15:38 And I find with some of the most mind-blowing things, like the warnings that have gotten are you know you got to be careful. This is from a very high level individual who is into intelligence special access programs and Special Forces training but anyway back to the special access program protocol that's been placed on the ranch This is not pretty any freedom of information act request ever in the future this is elevating the extent of this project to a level that is saved for things like extracting the president from dangerous situations so you know it's equal to that you start realizing that

16:24 It's serious stuff and he's warning me that i should be where opening biochemical portals. And i had to ask him what was mean well there is concerns that individuals are able to enhance open or help these entities are these portals just manifest? And they have a short list of people that are on that. Wow, a short list of people who are actually able to help these portals open and close and help these entities work with them? Correct! It's like anybody that's probably worked at the property immediately is going to be on that list anyone that's been thought of trespassing on that property is gonna be on the list Just recently last week

17:10 I heard of something where footage was gathered of somebody going on the property and literally doing a ritual at one of the ranch houses, leaving candles behind. And there was speculation as to who this individual could be because the ability to get in and do this with screening Extreme security in place it's like born ultimatum stuff so it's interesting yeah you really gotta know someone to be in that position and then. Be comfortable enough with the people at that level to say hey you know what let's try a ritual out here lets do some, no invocations out here and see what happens i mean for them to be open to that is quite.

17:57 Jarring to the average person to hear about that but i think it's all in the mix so many connections too. The occult and its really hard with is a kind of a trick of language when you're talking about entities from somewhere else aliens are demons i mean if they are not traveling physically, then they're probably traveling multi-dimensionally. And then how do you define the difference? It gets really murky with the language to define these things and we want to put them in boxes but maybe we don't have the appropriate box Yes, I think that's exactly true. It's a lot like...I think Hunter S Thompson had a saying that said something like, I wish I would have figured out to go with the magnets instead of against the magnetism and you know, I only say that because there are remote viewers, psychonauts people with ESP they have a full-time psychic who is there to protect against potential attacks

18:56 I had the unfortunate or fortunate, very amazing experience meeting this individual in a strange way. I was in a parking lot speaking with another researcher and these two black suburbans tore in and stopped right next to us. And I apologize there was only one black suburban we thought there's two, but it was one. And it was one of the owners of the property, known owners and this psychic next to them. They just started talking he was talking to this individual who was under a non-disclosure agreement and I'm talking with the individual who had just come off the property so this looks really bad. Basically the psychic was kind of like doing her thing on me

19:40 I think she started giving more information about what she was into and the organization that she was a part of. It's actually group that do this, but yeah they're worried about things like Russian remote viewers, Chinese remote viewers, ex-remote viewers who have done things for the property under Bigelow possibly who are just going back for a walk down memory lane. Yeah it's interesting it is an earlier you said it's like they know you know and that's interesting because it seems like these people these high-level academics in science just will come out to this area, do research at and your there you live there so if they no what's going on out here and how much activity really is they seem to come to you when its like a man

20:29 I know you're out here all the time. You've probably seen some shit, they might have a different context but you might have a wider breadth of experiences and some interesting conversations form around that don't they? Absolutely. I've had some guests in the past that it started to get to be like, it was a reality show and I was just like every guest that was just like, this is somebody like one of my favorite guests was this individual who is a consultant on a lot of not only major motion pictures having to do with this sort of thing but

21:10 also on the actual projects that have to do with this sort of thing. And when you have those two nets casting at the same time, that's when you know you know. That's one of those moments and this individual was staying in bed for breakfast I basically didn't know who he was but then started telling me my jaw hit the floor And he's got a buddy with him, and the buddy works in a scientific lab. And he said I can't even tell you what he does. What he does makes what I do look like I'm selling a used car to salesmen. So your eyes really start just get bigger and bigger into the possibilities of what is really going on especially with the implementation of Space Force this is no joke!

22:00 What is so interesting cuz there's not a lot of places to stay out there so they find this bed and breakfast in your other guy and. That's kinda the magic you know the magic happens at that point and it is just really compelling does even thirty years ago, the mindset of someone who goes out to rural utah and stays at this bed and breakfast they might get a little loose lip because, we weren't as connected as we are today so it might not be expected do appear in a book that sold on amazon or an anecdote told on a podcast that tens of thousands of people here that isolation.

22:39 kind of filters through what you know, you expect it to stay isolated because you're in that environment. So I don't know, I just find that whole thing to be pretty compelling. Oh, it literally back then and I say back then cuz there's a new era now Unfortunately i went to the hot spots these areas of portals opening up and you know the guaranteed. UFOs maybe we'll see something cool now i want to be places just thousands times in a problem with that is always when home afterwards and without the correct, protocol, whether it's Native American and staging myself before I go home or whether it's other protocols. I didn't do any of it. You know, was like a kid that had found a toy that he didn't know how to use and I was jamming back and forth every night. And so what happened is the property itself...and actually this is the drawback because I eventually had to leave the property because it just started having so much activity

23:39 I didn't like being home, quote unquote and having all that activity taking place because that kind of takes the fun out of going and finding it when its finding you. And then after having people coming in staying and they were involved with the paranormal and The Secret was starting to get out and they were having interactions with this too. They're like oh my gosh! This is awesome and I'm like no really so I've since moved but I do go back at least once a month So let's talk about this new era you mentioned. Everyone considers the Skinwalker Ranch synonymous with Bigelow, he had this big facility with a big alien gray head stamped on the side of it but the ownership has changed hands since then to a company called Antimantium which I guess involves a figure that you refer to as The Wolverine as his pseudonym what can you tell us about this changing of hands or the new management?

24:37 It's so cool. Well, it's interesting. It's a political move in one way and we'll get into that but it's also just sort of the thing that wealthy people do now as they used to be they went out and hot air balloons now they just like to collect these paranormal properties among some of them this LLC adamantium obviously the name comes from I believe it's a Marvel character Wolverine And, you know he has this upgrade quote unquote in his blood that makes him better and also has similarities to actual skinwalker phenomenon of the shape-shifting. There's a couple interesting points there but more importantly it's a shell company that can't be attacked and its based out of Delaware and they're doing actual research they are catching actual

25:33 craft in the sky. They're finding things out about the property with trying to time the opening of portals and analyzing tremors, all kinds of really intense research. And they are a very good organization to do it. And you say in one way it's a political move is that referring to the protections offered by a shell corporation? I think so. I think everybody involved, so to speak, is more protected in this way More the property is getting order it's become obvious that anyone who owns a space if any of us will be in our probably do the same thing just super cool paranormal ranch. I understand because they're putting a position extreme liability you know when its

26:21 of government importance to the Department of Defense, among many other branches. And you also have branches in the government that aren't even supposed to exist that are interested in these rogue arms of intelligence and then you have like the media starting to get involved and locals I mean the secrets out you know if you get weekend warriors there every weekend now It's just not a good mix. So I can understand why they put it in an LLC and took a step back. Well, you also mentioned something in the book that I'd never thought of but you mention an experiment where they planted some plants within the zones of paranormal activity and then some more distant from the ranch. And there was a difference in the quality of life of these plants

27:12 and the ones that were inside the zone were a little more damaged, and that's gonna set off alarm bells to someone thinking oh man maybe this is dangerous to all biology or maybe there's some radiation going on. Just the kind of things you don't want to be liable for if you are in charge of a bunch of people working in an area that maybe turns out to be unsafe Correct. And it was like not just a little bit different I mean like one plant was toast and the other one was doing really well, and they have found that there's like a higher rate of cancer brain cancer There's higher rate of other diseases other things like ALS MS to put it in a I don't know how do I get into cross? It's just not probably unless likely we're talking about people are going too

28:05 Cleanse themselves of some of these areas there and that are highly energized means just their portal locations pretty much and. For whatever reasons there's different underground seismic activity happening in these locations higher electromagnetic frequencies, radon gas in many cases. You know, when you see these lights close up the typical problem and it's quite common is these people end up with cancer and it's either skin cancer or deeper cancer. It oftentimes involves lymph nodes or the blood itself like leukemia. It's not a good environment

28:46 Yeah i get the impression that there's some baked in universal mechanisms to keep. The dimensions separate weather you think of just one spiritual dimension or something there is definitely supposed to be a hierarchy or some separation at least between them and we've heard stories of all the sended masters coming down and teaching people insane things like. I can't stay here long or if i'm here too long it'll start to hurt you and this kind of thing so, i fully believe that there is something to that maybe crossing the streams is bad for your biology

29:27 Yeah, it is bad. And it's not just that there's a darkness I think in some of these areas that until you're in them they're kind of raw. I don't want to really call it dark but it's very raw and In a lot of cases You're not gonna have like sidewalks or you can be walking your dog late at night things like that No There's actual predators eat your dog and Could eat you I mean there's cougars and coyotes everywhere, and it's not not forgiving territory Man well. I do a lot of things that aren't good for me so I definitely understand the attraction of putting yourself in that mix despite the risks and dangers and

30:11 I wanted to read a little bit from this latest book where you refer to this character the Wolverine as, A surreal real-life superhero and that he is trying to get to the truth of this high strangeness going on much like Robert Bigelow. A larger than life personality who succeeds at everything he becomes involved with and it's interesting because It seems like in the last few years there's a lot of gamesmanship around this very thing. American Cosmic, as I mentioned, seems to reveal some things. The To The Stars Academy thing happened. The Pentagon did disclose a recent program for investigating these things. Podesta and Hillary were talking about this stuff before the election. The CIA even disclosed some remote viewing stuff from Project Stargate

30:59 I just feel a weird energy around the idea of revealing these things. Obviously disinformation is at play, but how do you assess these last couple years and the idea that we're close to some sort of revealing? It feels potent! I think we are I almost don't even think it's a question of disclosure anymore. It's almost like soft disclosures already happened and now all it is, is waiting for this footprint to kind of get blown around the rest of the population and...I do think that a lot of this is worrisome to government. I am not a fan of government! I'm like completely not a fan of government however

31:45 anybody in the ruling class would be sweating under the collar a little bit, the moment anything and everything is possible in this matrix that they are supposedly controlling. It's the ultimate monkey wrench of the system Indeed and you mentioned that perhaps soft disclosure has already happened, and I agree with you but like i said in the introduction there are just so many different angles and perspectives to this whole phenomenon. Being someone who's there at ground zero if I were to say to you I guess okay so soft disclosures happened where would I see it?

32:25 What researchers or what angles do you look at as being the closest to the actual truth as you see it? The unfortunate reality of this is that it is a association between either an intradimensional plasma intelligence, which is non-corporeal and doesn't need a body in many cases. And can assume bodies if it does, and at least the sense that we perceive them as something they aren't. But we're talking about intelligences communicating with individuals and so there's really no way... There are a lot of researchers that are very close but I really think its the elephant in the dark room Some have the snout others have the tail and they're all touching it

33:18 But the agreement, especially politically between some of these deep organizations. It's just a shotgun blast against the wall you know nobody is in line with one another and I believe it will remain a mystery until there is some form of like hey its okay to disagree. Right but obviously that truth that core truth is going to be In line with a bunch of other angles that would be fiction so you think it's some multi dimensional space obviously we've talked about portals but it seems like were also kinda talking about two different things some kind of non human entity that is.

34:00 coming in and out of our reality through these portals, and then skinwalkers which are human Native American shamans who have mastered some practice of shape-shifting. Maybe that's due to the qualities of the environment but how many different things do you think we're dealing with here? I mean those are probably two distinct phenomenon at least right? They are in that There's multiple phenomena taking place here, and that's the beauty of this. It's like showing up at... you're expecting it to be a Catholic mass and what you end up with is something like the EDC festival. Everything is in these areas at times. There have been situations where

34:46 Again, I can't use names or even organizations that they belong to but researchers have seen actual portals opening up. The researchers are watching the portals opening up and then they look over and there's grays watching the portals open it like there is random coincidences that can be explained or synchronicities if you will as soon as this dimensional rift is opened It's kind of a... anything goes. Man, so we know what skinwalkers generally look like We know what an alien grey looks like Are there other types of humanoids? Especially in the context of something coming through a portal are there other shapes or forms that you could describe that You know have been seen in that area yeah, there are what can only be described as raptor-like creatures

35:42 small dinosaurs. There are blue balls of light that fly around, they look like it's like a blue liquid like selsun blue spiraling around inside of like a fishbowl and there's other things like you were talking about the skinwalker aspect the actual witch elemental spirit aspect every one of these witches create what they consider a familiar as spiritual servant Elemental spirits are basically just elaborate thought forms very similar to like. in the cabal, the way they would make the golems out of mud. The procedure that gives life to this in this physical world is similar but not completely the same. It's the same powerful familiar keeping them in line there's like a hierarchy of these and many covens if you will so if you do this for generations and generations no matter where you are whether it's the middle east

36:43 or the Uintah Basin of Utah. This is what Jack Vallee found, or one thing that I probably shouldn't even say his name but there's commonalities. These are tricksters in a lot of cases that are very similar to gin in that they can manifest out of this... It looks like bugs, like a mist, like a black smokeless fire if you will and it'll just swoosh into forms usually at night on a new moon, so you can't really...you're just catching glimpses. It'll do it in the day sometimes but there's something going on here that this particular entity the djinn-like trickster it just wants to interact with the observer So it mimics in a lot of ways. It will become something that you expect to see

37:39 Wow, and maybe just one of the properties of this place is that thoughts can come to life with less effort. I definitely think that they can but maybe it just is a kind of place where that has amplified and just quite potent. You mentioned organizations some that you can't name but one that I believe we can name is The National Institute for Discovery Science. Can you tell us a little bit more about them or where they are now? Yeah, they were the first of their kind that I knew of. They were the all-star team of top scientists whether physicists or with essentially traits that encompass all these practices a lot of nanotechnologists. They attacked this with the scientific method and you know although they came away saying we didn't succeed at least in their own eyes These are the best of the best. They're not used to any

38:36 anything other than total success and instead what they found is that trickster mentality, which is no it was pre cognitive if you would think of it. It was one to ten steps ahead of you however. They did find sometimes using random number generation your able to throw a curveball I know Valet has said something to the effect of when you look at the UFO spikes and the hot pockets, it suggests a schedule of reinforcement. Some kind of like Pavlovian training and that's a really provocative idea maybe it is like something The Trickster has set up but have you been able to

39:27 Maybe clock these things or see a pattern yourself as to when the best chances to go out are? Yeah, there's a lot of things they love but as an observer the less comfortable you are the better. If you're not familiar with exactly what's going on or where you're at But you just know you're in the right spot. That's ideal, with GPS coordinates or whatever because anything that you can think in advance so if you bring a flashlight guess what? You're probably not going to need it If you bring a voice recorder you're probably not gonna need it The less you bring the better

40:09 Just bring the awareness that whatever you put your mind into will actually manifest. And by that i mean a lot of the best examples that i've had personally with other researchers are if somebody is thinking about something for example, there was a trip where one of us was thinking about getting caught red and blue lights even though we had every permission to be where we were at And basically red and blue lights appeared in the distance and started flashing and coming towards, you know. In an area where there's no road it's only when they come closer that you realize that this is all just kind of like a hologram or representation of somebody's fear.

40:53 Wow man, and that pattern element it just really makes me think about that idea of an ancient artificial intelligence in place. I've had shows that covered the angle that the earth might have been in some sort of quarantine form from something deep in our past that there could be some technological system still on autopilot that people are dealing with even that Perhaps the Van Allen radiation belt is something to keep us in. What are your thoughts on that? The fact that maybe what we're dealing with today has something to do with the ancient past. 100% it's changed, I used to always go out and I was very basic would say a little quick prayer you know if you keep me safe and be on my way well that's completely changed like now depending on where i'm at last time I was like in a real

41:48 dark hotspot I use the invocation of thought there's a backup plan because can't do better than like the Egyptian have got magic and writing and You're throwing these things out there just like insurance policies really because the truth is a lot of these deeper teachings like Egypt. I mean, you have these demigods the heads of dogs and the bodies of men and others that look more like the avians with the head of a bird in the body of a man where to thought And this is just blatant in your face stuff without even getting into the kind of form and The deep deep deep teachings This is just on the surface and it's very alien-like

42:34 It is and it's also provocative like you say to have this culture that drew a lot of depictions of animal headed humanoids. And then we also have these indigenous Native American tribes who also have this practice of high magic and animal headed humanoids I don't know it's very strange that it seems like perhaps, A culture that has been I can't say undisturbed by the Western world, of course they've been quite disturbed but they still have some other culture intact and it harkens back to that same kind of possibly Egyptian magic. I think that is fascinating

43:17 It is, it's extremely fascinating the correlations between... It's a deep dark Google search but if you go down the rabbit hole and you start Googling gin invocations Middle East and videos like The Candles they're using. Stuff they're writing on the ground in the direction their facing all this! And then you compare it to some of these other cultures your finding out that there using almost the exact same basic tool And how do they know it? In a lot of these cases, you're talking about people that are removed by geography and time. It's wild!

43:58 Man, on the subject of portals and covert research let me grab another quote from this unreleased book where you say I have long maintained that there was a Russian element of research near this area. This was because of inside information i got about an under-the-table land grab purchased with Spanish gold bars possibly from the lost roads mine by a Russian named Slugger. Slugger said the property was to be used for portal technology, he said that his organization would put things into a man-made Stargate that was put in this precise location to gain power The objects that were placed in the star gate machine would arrive in Florida 15 minutes later at another Stargate machine The location in Florida was said to be Cape Coral

44:45 Jesus, man. That's quite a paragraph! Can you elaborate at all on that? Yeah it was just a weird deal where I got a phone call and it sounded really interesting. I went to the office of the realtor and they told me what was going on basically and It was a crazy story. I went and checked out the area very plain but went back at night not playing at all realized that a lot of the same aspects were similar. Power lines going right through, lots of water, massive cliff lines, same basic trajectory if you will along the landscape and all these similarities are in place and it was like oh my gosh what are we missing here? There's an actual threat and it is Russian unfortunately and in some cases Chinese

45:42 And they're trying to duplicate what they believe we've got. And I don't know what it is they think we've got, well actually i do but We've got a lot It's a threat! I guess its gotta be treated as one Well What have we got that you dont think even listeners of a show like this know we got? I mean just drones I guess Is what you would call them now But You know we had these quote unquote drones able to do very effective jobs of surveillance and have been used in rural areas since possibly as early as the 70s, according to some estimations. And I mean we're talking about little tiny triangles, little tiny reverse engineered really crazy anti-grab stuff and a lot of this stuff unfortunately if you're on the right path

46:40 Some of it is actually being leaked by the Russians themselves, the older stuff. You're seeing that they have this quote-unquote reverse engineered idea but it's way late. Provocative! And you have a few lines about Podesta and Tom DeLonge in that book A lot of people don't trust the sources i agree rightfully so but if their angle was disinformation what do you see as the deception what are they steering us towards and where they staring us away from that you think would be important. You know i dont like to call it deception,

47:22 It is different perception, it's what I think it is. And I think these guys are just wanting the same thing as anybody which is more answers. Yeah there's disinformation out there sure Project Bluebeam was a real thing could still be but at the end of the day there's actual entities interacting with us in areas like Sedona You in a basin and it's a lot more common than people are realizing. And I hate to sound like the crazy guy, but i love to go out with my skeptic buddies at the very best because you don't have to say too much when they see it The first thing is just that immediate quick little micro meltdown. Yeah, I don't get it whoa

48:11 And it's kind of like, no one has been here before your very eyes. It's just nobody goes out to look. I agree with you man and as this thing is kind of approaching the finish line What have we left out maybe or what could be said to make this the super show we set out to make I think it's actually quite good and full of little nuggets that i think are enjoyable but other other pieces of the big puzzle that we should fold into make this whole thing more complete. Well, there is this critical and groundbreaking political war that we have going on. And it is permeating every aspect from ufology to deep underground military bases whoever you're talking to secret societies

49:04 Somehow this is becoming, it's not a pretty picture that even organizations that should be working together are letting politics get in the mix so to speak but. you know, there's a lot to it. It could be witchcraft, Babylon working spirit kicking secret deals space force and it could be the end of a lot of things. Could be the end of religion can be the end of the church very likely at the end of Pope Francis in the Catholic Church and this is just a magical time for so many things. Food for thought for sure! And we know more than we did two years ago I gotta say... So that's something

49:45 And whenever i have guests who have an array of strange paranormal experiences it's pretty common for me to ask about. you know well where should i go or what can i do but a lot of these people don't have bed and breakfast so i guess i would ask if someone were to stay at your bed and breakfast in then explore the surrounding area of their own free will is it close enough to some other hot spots that activity that one might see something yeah and i wouldn't even get caught up in like you know you have to be here and you have to be there

50:22 It's anywhere really, you just have to be in the area. The area would be anywhere along Interstate 40 in the Uintah Basin between the Strawberry Pinnacles which are these two rock antenna that kind of jet up into this canyon where a lot of UFOs are seen and pretty much Bernal or the Colorado border on the same stretch. Anything along that corridor basically of high strangeness it's very similar to the 37th parallel you know Ben Misery spoke about, there's it's like a corridor of high strangeness an interstellar highway. Right on well maybe I will spend some time out there or

51:10 take some road trips along that corridor or maybe look into that bed and breakfast sometime. But it would be a dream to see even a quarter of the things you've seen, man! And I do appreciate you writing the books and reaching out and talking to me and coming here with all this great info. I think people are really going to love it before we call it in. Do remind them where they can get more what you're doing and follow your work You bet. It's basically all available on RyanPatrickBurns.com or you can find it on Amazon That easy! I should mention one more actually, you can find me on Facebook at SpaceWolfResearch Okay okay and i saw some references to you within the context of Hero Paranormal but it seems like that website is not active what's the deal there?

52:03 Yeah, Hero Paranormal is now just a Facebook page. We still do stuff on there but it's not as active as it used to be so we disbanded the actual webpage and it was getting all kinds of attacks and weird stuff. As you tend to get but very much appreciate it man I had a great time keep up the great work and stay safe out there thanks so much Greg appreciate it Well there ain't no party like a Skinwalker Party, because the Skinwalker Party don't stop. Ryan Patrick Burns! Another plus member turned guest You know when I look at our shows for April they are all shows that came to me and i just said yeah let's do it Jay Dyer sent me his new book and got in contact and also mentioned that he listened to the KJ show just before we recorded

52:59 Peter Allen was a listener who got in touch with me. Randall Carlson was prompted as a favor to Gramerica to promote their event Ryan is a plus member who said he had some good insider's info and the next show is also someone who brought me their work and asked if I'd be interested in covering it Obviously only recording five shows a month there's no way I could keep up with the requests but this month was pretty heavy on them I don't know what that means, it's just an interesting thing that happened. And i'm not complaining! I think we've had a great month of shows and its not over yet But wait until we get into May where we actually get into the guest requests that I sent out. I got some barn burners in the works Let me tell ya

53:48 But never mind all that, I am just happy today's show turned out so well. I thought Ryan had some really interesting stuff to share In fact i thought it complimented Dr Diana Pasulka really well because both of them have sort of rubbed elbows with these people who are really in the know and we get to ride in their wake a little bit And man, there just really are so many dense and complex possibilities for what's really happening at some of these paranormal hotspots. You know I've always liked the magical idea of a hierarchy of realms in that you can kind of bring your airy-fairy thoughts down from the ethereal into the dense and solid world of the material... ...and what if that mechanism is stronger or weaker at various places on Earth?

54:40 What if these paranormal entities are literally the things of nightmares going back centuries? Maybe nightmares of people who aren't even alive anymore. I also like that idea that we're seeing these forms pop in and out of existence as if they're some physical trace of remote viewers from some other part of the universe. Remote viewers do say that sometimes it feels like something knows that they're there, You might remember an older show I did with Gordon White, who also just had Dr. Pasulka on a second time but there was this older show we did where we got into alien ghosts and that has just stuck with me because We think about ghosts and spirits in this limited context of our place on the earth But if we are in the camp that other planets out there have life...I think most of us are then these things we deal with here have to be scaled up

55:38 you know, to a cosmic level. Remote viewing of course is one of those things that comes to mind because if Russell Targ is telling us that space time distance none of that matters in remote viewing then that would hold true for some out there alien beings doing remote viewing as well remember Dr Jack Hunter talking about his vision of a floating goat head like what is that? I do not know, but i think we're comfortably at the big kids table now when it comes to breaking down the possibilities. Also thought the aspect of liability was pretty interesting that these dimensional rifts might be cancer causing or just generally bad for biological life. Think about some of the shows we've done that get into alchemy

56:27 Especially Ormus and these guys like Don Nance. They definitely have suffered health effects from fucking around with the transmutation of elements, so that idea that a corporation who buys Skinwalker Ranch and wants to have people study it might be worried about lawsuits and damage control... It makes sense! But shit you got companies like Monsanto and DuPont who have been poisoning the planet and its people for decades And they don't really seem to be sweating it Anyway, we do have another joint session tonight. Check social media and the PLUS site for the link about an hour beforehand And maybe I'll talk to you tonight at 7 p.m Pacific These joint sessions are always free for anyone to watch live or call in and they're archived For those sweet sweet plus members that keep the fuel in the THC tank

57:22 Consider signing up if you haven't already. I definitely think getting the full show with these episodes is worth it, but i might be biased In this one we added several logs to the fire talking about what the Podesta-Clinton team was looking to do with Disclosure. We get into the idea that maybe the machine elves people see actually built this planet, we talk about Ryan's personal paranormal experiences and his stories from investigating the area and we get into Giants and whatever else is underground in Utah Joe Firmage and The Bouncing Box

58:02 That is super, super interesting. You gotta look that up on YouTube or something because it's impressive! And we talked about Ryan's thoughts on Steven Paddock and that whole Harvest Festival shooting and how it did seem to connect to the space industry in a few different ways...and maybe its related? And last but certainly not least we talked about plasma based intelligences people So help me help you and sign up for the Hireside Chats Plus already. You got one foot in, I think it's time to commit! And with that...I'm getting out of here. Big thanks to Ryan for sharing his insights with us. I definitely liked his books and i declare this meeting at The Midnight Society officially closed Your move Desert Stalkin' Skinwalkers Corporate Hotspot Quarantiners & Workers Of The Wolverine YOU'RE BOOKEND

59:04 Lucid dreams are so vivid, cause you go to bed at seven And your brain comes alive because you hate your nine-to-five You wake up with a dread and make sure your cats are fed Did your brain talk to a ghost who moved your coffee and toast As you listen to the higher side chats You get to your desk and your boss says it's a mess And your soul slowly goes To a place where nothing grows When you think he's not around, you insert a SETI sound The OM says turn it down and you say It's just the higher side chats Oh do you think you'd be invited? To Bohemia Grove. To a Bilderberg club Do you think you'd be invited

59:54 by a Rothschild to a party on a submarine. Diving down, to the center of the earth through the Marianas Trench your teeth begin to clench from the sulfurous stench The mask you're given doesn't fit cause you're not one of them Starting today, you'll make plans to get away. There's no one to hold you down and the what-ifs start to drown Then you wake to the glare of a cofluorescent stare And the light winks at you cause its life is almost through But it's holding on to quit time just like you It's time for The High Side Chats

1:00:44 Bye.