Richard Dolan | The UFO Disclosure Drip, Alien Contact, & The National Security State

00:02 Hello, Hireside Chatters! You know it's not often I jump in before an interview to add context but a lot of unprecedented things are happening these days. Of course as i've mentioned the coronavirus chaos really caused me to have to change up the order of interviews and scramble to get some that truly addressed this situation out to you first Like I've said before, it's kind of like recording four interviews right before 9-11. You can't just proceed as scheduled and have several weeks go by without addressing this big crazy situation that just happened And it's bittersweet because this was the main interview that kind of had to be put on the back burner and It's with a guest that I've been wanting to sit down with for years so...I kinda hate to have this small asterisk on it but

00:55 We did make it happen and I finally got a chance to ask him some of the things that i wanted to hear him weigh in on. Things we might call ufology or disclosure adjacent, and then boom! We kinda hit this full-on worldwide threat level midnight situation So I apologize to him for the long delay, but towards the end of the first hour Richard does share his thoughts on the state of things and the technocracy and surveillance state. And in these new strange times just a few weeks later... His words have even more weight, I would say But i hope you're all keeping your humanity and really taking care of people around you who need it. That said

01:41 As I listen back to this one, it's actually crazy how medicinal it is to hear a conversation from just three weeks ago when there was still some air left in the room for non-virus related content. But here we are! Let's get to it! Enjoy In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation. I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chat

02:33 It's the end of the world as we know it, people. But I feel fine! From sunny San Diego, I'm Greg Carlwood just trying to navigate the rough and rugged waters of The Vast Conspiracy... ...and despite our ongoing plethora of human problems from the societal slip into a screen-obsessed dystopia surveillance state and a corporate capstone cabal of controllers hellbent on feeding their monopoly mindset—it's really the nonhuman problems that interest me most. Because from the oldest cave paintings and indigenous rituals to ancient texts that tell stories of fiery chariots and flying wheels, it seems that something else has been interacting with mankind for about as far back as we can see.

03:14 Pile on the rich Celtic lore of visitations, exchanges and missing time from interactions with the little green people they call fairies. Constantine's fiery cross in the sky, centuries of spirit summoning from the grimoire tradition, The American Roswell, The Russian Roswell, The Battle for Los Angeles event, Marian apparitions, the 1952 White House flyover, messages from channelers, crop circles and oh yeah! The bountiful cornucopia of contemporary contact experiences, craft sightings and abductions that we know about. And probably thousands more that just kept quiet. Add it all up and it almost makes you want to check the skies instead of Twitter...almost

03:54 But occasionally even I put my phone down long enough to wonder if we are seeing something akin to our non-human overlords checking up on the beings they built in our human terrarium. Or if too many magicians have left their portals open through the years, or even if we're being bagged and tagged into some cosmic human wildlife preserve or alien human hybrid program? Well big questions require big guests and we got the grand poohbah of UFO politics and alien encounter studies with us today! His name is Richard Dolan, and he's one of the world's leading researchers and writers on these subjects with books like UFOs for the 21st Century Mind, A.D., After Disclosure... ...and the amazing and ongoing series UFOs in The National Security State just to name a few! If that wasn't enough He's also a conspiracy hip historian and has put out an amazing series on false flags for Gaia TV That is truly unlike anything else

04:50 He's appeared nearly everywhere an alien enthusiast could appear, and it's a real treat to have him here today. The great guru of UFO history, the academic alien encounter analyzer, and the granddaddy of disclosure discourse...the almighty Richard Dolan! Welcome to The Higher Side Thank you greg at least i get the guru and almighty phrases in there so it's about time yes yes man i had to do what are one of the greats and. I just want a roll out the digital red carpet appropriately i was trying not to laugh thank you very much extremely nice of you i'm glad to be on here and, i'm looking forward this feeling we're gonna have a really great conversation

05:28 I agree and i have read most of your work seen several conference presentations and amazes me that so many people still think this is all much ado about nothing when the truth is, to say there's no evidence for non human contact is actually the anti intellectual or even faith based position you know saying i don't wanna believe because there's no shortage of things to point to is their absolutely. I started on this road more than twenty five years ago now And it was always and has always been an evidence based quest so when i started still in my thirties. Early thirties and i had a very simple question which is,

06:09 There appear to be some serious minded people who are taking this subject seriously and i'd like to know where they on the something or should i just ignore this and so i began to just find out what is it that these believers actually. Have as evidence how strong is the evidence in someone and i thought well just take a few months of my life and look into it, and find out for myself and of course at was in the early nineteen nineties never stop what i discovered is that in terms of the modern Emphasis of this the modern phenomenon you know since world war two there's an overwhelming shockingly large amount documentation proving. Not hinting not suggesting approving,

06:48 that the united states military and state intelligence community has been concerned about this phenomenon they don't know what it is. Is it going on over and over and its not only the united states so you got the russian soviet union cases you've got other nations britain france all other modern militaries have encountered these phenomena, These objects that don't look like ordinary aircraft they don't behave like ordinary aircraft we dont have any conventional explanation for them. And it's one thing for them to say well we don't know what they are maybe there misinterpretation of natural phenomena but then when you clean,

07:27 the declassified literature and there's enough of it. That is an arguable you see that they were not believing those explanations are taking this very seriously in their stock, so we got a real mystery on our hands once i realized that fact early on my research doing this, that the government was like at the same time if they were deeply engaged in this i was hooked and i've been hooked ever since and so You go deeper and deeper into this phenomenon in realize well if they're lying about this what else do i buy a bag. For me the ufo subject was the wedge that opened up everything else that made me question the veracity of what i hear in the

08:16 kind of alice in wonderland fairy tale world that we live in now well said i'm definitely driven by similar. Thoughts and feelings are all theme song used to say we know they're lying to us just don't know what degree which does allow for you to really explore a whole plethora things then, i really love having guests who have across over expertise like someone who could compare very low with abductions or occult ritual spirit something with alien encounters And what's great about you is that you are a knowledgeable historian who has a lot of insight into how governments operate, how intelligence agencies maneuver in general. And then you add this UFO history and while I don't think we'll ever see top down disclosure it's having this context for both that puts you in this upper class so I guess let me ask when you assess UFO culture lets say what are the

09:11 General UFO researchers missing when it comes to the intricacies or nuances of how governments and intelligent agencies actually handle secrets of this magnitude. One thing that I would say, God, I hate to make this sound like i'm ripping on other researchers but I will just say the vast majority of researchers that I've encountered who are engaged in the ufo subject don't really know history They don't really understand international geopolitics very well at all so they miss this huge element of the problem in terms of how this whole thing breaks down internationally what are the actual goals of united states part of this is just not a lot of knowledge so.

10:03 Actually it's a frustration for me when i talk to other colleagues people who like love and adore, people who don't care for as much doesn't matter if i know there is this massive hole in historical knowledge just in general. What skewed you know what strong in one particular area but is very weak and others that includes the whole ancient history part of the ancient alien thesis for example i find design student of ancient history i dont talk about a lot But i'm a very engaged very active avid student of ancient history all phases tracy can tell you like i love nonstop reader so he can make at the end of an item in bed i got the kindle and im reading some early medieval history or some ancient prehistory it's huge thing of mine. And i find it a frustration frequently when i hear people who are talking about ancient anomalies,

11:04 And it's obvious to me they know nothing about the ancient cultures that they're talking about or very little. And so, to me that's a frustration is its lack of historical knowledge and understanding and particularly in the modern era a lack of international geopolitical understanding Yes cheers to that is really a multi disciplinary thing even if you don't want it to be i know you know gordon white and, no starting a conspiracy show a lot of people talk about magic in this context really provocative stuff. And he was one of the first ones to say to me, well they don't know anything about magic. They might like conspiracy but you can tell their magic knowledge is just in the toilet and so in many ways like you really have to brush up on so many different areas to do this kind of thing right? Luckily I just asked questions. Right. Well im a big fan of Gordon by the way and interviewed him on my program at a year ago I guess... He's brilliant first off all

12:04 And the thing that i love is it's true like gordon brings this other element of expertise which just simply means he has another perspective on this subject thats quite valuable and very few people offer so. I found myself learning a lot when i spoke with gordon about this Right on yes over the past ten years he's been here more than any other guest rate so that's kinda funny but i also know that you're known for calling the term break away civilization hats off to ya love a good time calling. And let's fold that in because it's not just that some intelligent agencies are keeping a secret, is that black budget accounting is off by several trillion dollars pretty well established that

12:50 somewhere some people have been working with recovered technology and if that's the other results those who have it would seem to advanced to contain what are your thoughts on the state of any potential development of alien technology or a group of people who might be beyond being under the thumb of any traditional earthly government. Okay there's a lot there so let me just start with likelihood of attempts to reverse engineer Check that doesn't come from our civilization my view on this is that this is a virtual certain thing i say virtual, i haven't been to the labs and i have spoken directly. Do anyone who's been in the labs i have spoken to people who claim to have some deep inside knowledge of it talk about the conversation i had many years ago with the late astronaut edgar mitchell told me he knew from two specific individuals

13:51 That a deeply classified levels we had technology and bodies alien technology in alien bodies that were being worked on and i've spoken to other people as well and i have. Every confidence in those sources on top of that i got through the research from many decades ago people like the late leonard stringfield huge fan of who interviewed dozens scores individuals who got these accounts of reverse engineering alien tech and body so I think that's exactly right i think that's exactly what's been happening in terms of how deep it goes, that's really the question about in two thousand seven two thousand eight i coined that phrase breakaway civilization and interesting to see how thats. Gotten into the culture my take on is very simple i think of a breakaway civilization as a black budget culture kind of steroids if you recognize that

14:52 Are classified world classified technology they'll keep things from us we all know that this is true. I've spoken many times of a conversation i had with the former nsa scientist civilian scientists back in the sixties who told me that, in nineteen sixty five and say how to compute running at a clock speed six hundred megahertz That's very slow today standards but in nineteen sixty five a there were no personal computers and be, there was no personal computer that reached the clock speed till year two thousand thirty five years later so the NSA which was virtually secret agency in nineteen sixty five practically know when you about it. Had probably the fastest computer in the world and was decades and decades ahead of the rest of us so if u take that any factor in et tech alien tech

15:44 Any factor in the incredible reality is we're now learning of private ties secrecy, private eyes special access programs and you begin to understand just how deep and how secure. Those private ties programs are they are absolutely impervious to public freedom information requests so when u look at all that you have to ask yourself what is the likelihood that et tech Has been worked on the results of that tech classified allowing those scientists to build on their own classified breakthroughs but of course, the rest of us are held back on this and so bad break away science at breakthrough signs. What allow them to have

16:31 New ideas new capabilities a new cosmology that would qualify them as a separate civilization literally when you really ask yourself what is the back. Create boundaries of the civilization what is it how do we define so that was the idea they broken away now the idea that they don't answer to standard governments i think thats right they dont, But you don't even need the idea of a break civilization for that all one has to do is study. The history of wealth the elite of the lead you know back in the nineteen sixties author name ferdinand lundberg wrote a book called rich and super rich i highly recommend this but, lumber had done previous book in the thirties called america's sixty ruling families he studied the highest level of well. Rockefeller's rothschilds morgan's and so forth

17:24 And what number recognized is that these are just ordinary rich people who have better houses better cars and you and me these are individuals who can purchase governments. Who can purchase entire regions of domains of power they don't look at the world the way we look at the world and i dont look at us the way we look at us, So these are people who actually run government and that is why precisely why i have meetings like the building meeting what does it actually mean. It means you got the top mover than shakers in this world get together very quietly at their five star hotels and they talk to each other about how they think the world should be, that's precisely what they do and then go back to the various loci of power and implement that to the best of your ability which is usually a very great ability

18:13 And that's what happens at how the builder burgers create the european union among many other things i started a common market back in the fifties that was their idea and on and on and are the examples so, that's how it works and thats beyond nations that is beyond the nation state so in terms of breakaway civilization we're talking the same basic ideas they are beyond. We're talking private eyes slash public but mostly privatized power that works republic institutions like national governments so they will a lot of power and i will do it money power. And we'll do a lot of tech power getting through this in figuring out how this lab works, i've been trying to do that for many years now not at the end game of it but i did get to talk with some other very knowledgeable people every now and then and be trying to figure this out its not easy what we work on

19:13 Yes, cheers to that. Well said you're speaking my language and you mentioned the bodies and That makes me think of this thing you know if we america lost some citizens or bodies to a foreign nation, we tend to go get em or at least try and i wonder why we haven't seen that with these. Alien entities any thoughts on that what i have tried to recover their own bodies We only as a nation try to do that when it becomes a public issue and necessity usually what you'll find is government agencies will. Bag or pray let these things go under the rug so they don't have to do anything about it thats why we have these cover ups, you know back in the seventies when cattle mutilations were becoming a big thing

20:03 The last thing that the FBI or the government wanted to do is recognize it as a problem because then they would have to do something about it with any of these things if the government recognizes ufo's are real, then may have to do something about it if you recognize that citizens. Are disappearing when they had to do something about it thats always a problem so first thing is they would rather not do anything about but its true like this were to become a public issue Which you know our governments up until now have studiously try to avoid making one but if it were to become one. Well this is a problem that could easily spiral out of control with people get worked over the speakers we do have a situation and people, apparently let me just say that being taken certainly against their will brought back

20:57 You've got an allegations that we have lots of disappearing people happens all the time so the real question is do those people who disappear go somewhere not nice dad, our government has no control over and thats question i don't have a full answer to that i mean i got ideas in someone but you're bringing up important point here. How they get resolved i'm not sure i think where powerless Against a lot of this that's unfortunately the case i just don't think we've got the ability to deal fully with this phenomenon on an equal basis.

21:39 Yes that's absolutely true and i just wonder about like on the alien homeworld if someone says, my brother never came home you know he went down to earth then crashed any stuck down there and they get their alien government to go and get. The alien bodies that we have stored away in our manager seems like they're the ones who let their bodies stay here but you make a good point about governments don't really wanna do things they have to do it's like the EPA with all the lead pipes in the ground it's like if your not gonna complain about it we're gonna tell ya its probably fine. Absolutely that is easiest simplest way, this basically you know we got everyone afraid of lawsuit otherwise I think they would really care as far as alien psychology can prompt us to think what would there psychology be and thats

22:27 I wonder about i have wondered about it and my only guess is that their psychology is very likely very different from ours. Hey we have to wonder are they biological in the way that we are born do you have mothers did a nurse today bond with mothers and fathers and siblings do they have another words at emotional foundation humans have That define the core of our very being frankly i mean we are defined because where mammals and we nurse at our mothers breast when you really think about it so were driven by a need for love or driven by need, four intimacy and always looking forward but do they add. They may not especially artificially grown if there genetically modify

23:16 I think that is very likely the case and so i would expect it there psychological reactions and drivers are very different from our own. I think that's probably true yes great insights and, how can a wave slowly in the bodies but we're in now and so i'm curious i heard you talk about this before but through these privileged conversations that you've had What is the closest you've gotten to real confirmation of alien bodies dead or alive preferably alive but i guess some that somewhere that are there still on the planet have you got one degree away two degrees away. Maybe two in the one whose name that i can mention his the one i already mentioned which was edgar mitchell who um, what's up hello fourteen and said to me explicitly he didn't give me names but

24:13 I know now that one of those names is almost certainly and will thomas r wilson. Who has since become quite a bit more famous since we documents came out but back in six i had this conversation with dr mitchell, add we went off into the room alone can we talk about this basically he talked to me about it and said yes i've had two ultra elite individuals who have confirmed me This is just random speculation impression you gave me that this was an explicit statement to him about the possession. I'm in deeply classified deeply classified special access programs, the position of alien bodies plural and alien technology so that's when i can mention addition edgar mitchell there were at least two other very well known individuals

25:08 Who are i think have been in a very strong position who is also said the same thing to me that. This phenomenon is real bad bodies one of them has explicitly said the bodies are really one of them is kind of head. In addition to that i go through research and again mentioned leonard stringfield, what people don't know he was but it's one of the great researchers of all time in ufo field died nineteen ninety four And he really got into this in a big way in the late seventies and through the eighties, found lot of people have got all string fields writings so there's actually quite a bit there. This is why I believe it aside from the logic of the situation but i would never believe anything just because it seems logical i've gotta believe that because their son evidence or some good testimony that i can go on yeah that's what the people like about your man and when we hear about bodies its almost

26:08 Always a gray yet when the encounters happen you hear about manted beans and reptilian beans and insectoid weird things. Those are bodies that i ever really here about being recovered do you always agree in the cases that you've heard about recovered body or be hurt about amanda, recover well when is it great just wanna clarify so there are cases of bodies recovered that are small With large heads but not precisely as we would define a great so there have been some variations of this, some actually that look a bit more human looking but they're not human type of thing i'm thinking of. Thinking is the kingman ufo crash in nineteen fifty three now there's one the crashing aztec new mexico from nineteen forty eight i think those creatures

27:04 i'm not mistaken from the research of scott and susan ramsay they might have been a bit more great like but in terms of what you're asking, no i'm not aware of insectoid or mantis type being recovered in these crashes but. I would keep my we actually know very little about these crashes so for example we know about roswell mainly for one reason which is because it made the newspapers for a little while and then was pulled and. You should stand free and stumble basically jesse marcelle But most of these crashes are really well concealed they're very difficult for us to get you there is partial information on a lot of them but it's not the easiest but i can't hear question i'm not aware, events that type being recovered in these crashes nor am i aware of insect like beings. Being held at places like right paterson air force base

28:02 The stories that i have read through springfield work and others is it were talking three to four feet tall large head so great like being the reason, i might be the case is that maybe they are the operators of these craft right in other speculation is out there. Kind of androids themselves maybe thats true and if thats so then maybe its more logical to have them operating this craft for all i know but im just guessing here Yeah that's kinda what i was gonna say is it seems like maybe the grace or the little humanoid things are drones and maybe they work for the mansions on the home world just don't come out here all that often but, it isn't curious thing yeah thats theory david jacobs really like david and i think he's probably fully retired now but.

28:56 Is last couple of books especially is last one book walking among us goes explicitly into this series is what david did i really admire because he's one of the few researchers who actually tried to do, let's say counter intelligence on these other beings. Another was trying to hypothesize what could be the full nature of their society what are they like can you get a lot of things But david has given a good try and hysteria is that the insect toys, the man to type beings are at the top of the chain and add there are various levels of hybrids. One of which are the gray aliens graze so that's his theory

29:43 Yes and you're talking about the secrecy a little bit around these crashes and let me ask you this cuz sometimes shows like this keep going over what happened in nineteen forty seven what's in the basement right patterson. But today it safe to assume that a lot of this stuff is deep private as you said before, if you could gain full access to a single facility right now either big airspace or boeing's back room or even the vatican archives what single facility, would you think with yield the best fruits when it comes to non human beings and their technology.

30:21 Well one actually would be a military facility that will be right paterson air force base i would definitely want to have access to write. You think stuff is still there i would think it's a few decades past right now, i wouldn't count on it i don't know i think that they probably still what but in terms of private i would definitely look at lockheed martin and i think that as an organization they would be the betting choice for the people that i will send spoke to back in two thousand two who denied him access to that program definitely be looking at boeing, definitely i'll be looking add a few other private contractors place like raytheon. I say i see places like that i think we're talking major defense contractors what i think this situation is however it's one where

31:20 You've got small small segments of these large military contractors that are read into it and i think most of lucky is not gonna be ready to have most the boeing's can we run into that. So thats what i would be wanting i would love to have access to some of those yes i don't expect will ever happen Yeah and i see is a great pic to let's make this little bit weirder i know your wife is a trained remote viewer have you ever had or sneak peek. Here's the thing about this tracy would be the first tell you, remote viewers don't want to front load them that's her phrase that's phrasing field in other words, remote viewing always works best when the remote viewer themselves has no idea of what they're looking for

32:13 i mean actually talked about this just for fun with tracy and said you should let me pick a few targets you have no idea what i'm picking. Her attitude is yet you think i have no idea exactly how your mind works and know what you want to look for, so the thing is when the conscious mind gets involved really contaminating it misses why lot of people who say yes i remote view the moon in this is what i found like you can just throw that right now thats trash there's nothing to be gained from that The way remote viewing is properly done is you have one person who's the program manager here she got a series of remote viewers working for them and he assigns tasks to them. And then he gets results from them and you have a team people analyzing those results that's actually the proper way to do it so we would love to have if i can figure out a way, do without front loading her

33:14 I would try to do it so i'm leave it is sure down the road if i can tricker and you not thinking that she being front loaded hell of a date night i would say. And it's just so fascinating that these effects are legit i know you've referenced dean radin work before i know that your familiar with the sri crew have had conversations with edgar mitchell as you said and i am I'm really more interested in the consciousness component than I am the nuts and bolts crafts, but you know whatever. The evidence is the evidence but these guys are all getting pretty old and I am kind of surprised we aren't getting more late stages-of-life confessions. How much further has the needle moved for you by talking to these guys as they're getting up in age? Well yeah...I have tried

34:06 on a few of these instances to convince some of these people with my limited access. Think about their legacy and think about the legacy of our planet you know after they're gone i have actually said this type things instead, you gonna be gone one day your information is going to go with u you can make it really important statement you can do something for the rest of us problem that i keep running into what some of these individuals is there are not going willingly to break security protocols are just gonna do it most of our just not going to all the ones that i've met anyway, they'll talk amongst themselves don't talk quietly to someone that they can trust on the previous so that you dont give their name up and then if you get your name out there just deny it any way in your left hand cold is that type of a thing so

35:04 This is what i found out. I haven't given up me of course i'm not in their position easy for me to say this because i don't have classified threats, and you know here's one example that i'll give you can we mention your mitchell and years ago i wrote to him and i said hey look You tell me you support my work and like what i do you told me that you got a couple of high level people confirmed about alien bodies in tech to you, can you throw me a bone it's almost exactly what is that can u point me any direction that i can go. That would be useful for me and his reply was look i would like to help but the people who came to me did so at great risk

35:55 Personally professionally and risk to their families any set as long as they're alive i can't do that i wont do that so you said risk to their family's in he didn't expand on that but i think we can all infer what is, show these individuals that are still alive now i mean i really got them open up all that much about this except for them to say it's not gonna happen but there are afraid. And the other thing is they're trying in their own way it seems to me to get further access because it's not like all these people have. The full keys to the kingdom i think they probably don't actually know something everyone in your community knows something but they'll wanna know more and so there angling their way into the center you now yeah i dont think ever will but

36:51 That's the way it works you talking circles within circles within circles and everyone wants to get to the next level in and so they don't want to risk it one of these individuals sent me years ago, yes i know he said let's say that i knew who the top ten fifteen names of. The people who know everything Let's say that i had that list and let's say that i can get that last to the new york times, which even then made me laugh like any other time you getting like they would do anything with it but he says let's give it to the new york times. And lets say that they published at least you said well hey people involved could just simply deny and say that thats a lot of nonsense its disinformation and be able probably be traced back to meet and then i'm locked out everything

37:41 So that's really their situation i think the lot of these people who have some aspect of the secret might want to see that secret come out but they feel they don't really have enough of a slam dunk, amount of evidence that they could show the world you know what i mean it's like so they go on there name their reputation but is it enough is it really enough. i think they think it's not enough yeah they wanna body themselves a one indisputable document whatever and i don't know that they've got bad either, so they would be going out there totally exposed really weird situation. Now the people in programs who are directly in these programs that would be different unfortunately for me i dont know if those people that i am aware of so i wouldn't know what to say about that

38:38 Right yes just so frustrating and i understand a person not wanting to put their family at risk but there's a lot of potential for revealing documents in details to people like you, end the result of someone's death and these guys are getting up there and age as we've said. And i can't imagine that it would actually put their sons and daughters at risk once they passed on. I get that is the threat of it isn't enough to keep everyone online but someone has to be bold enough to push through that Unless there's more we need to know about the people who make these threats in the first place. Well with any of these people, I think it is probably true if one of them dies and something is revealed posthumously what's the point going after other family members like they didn't do anything wrong so realistically would think that those are the family members would not be at risk but the point is while these people are alive they do not want a break ranks

39:36 Can i have tried and try again i'm not giving up but i'm not expecting a lot of success to be honest. Fair fair all my breath but you know ask about gaining access to a single facility what about getting a full top down briefing from a single person which one persons secrets would like to know who do you think knows the most, well if public individuals that are well known when person i've never spoken to and i would love to be robert bigelow himself Is a man who extremely intelligent and not only that he has been deeply immersed in this. For many decades is probably put more money into the research of this and any other private citizen i can think of, any spend events contractor on the subject to the program as we know

40:33 I would better affair all the little money that i have a big low has a lot of information that he hasn't shared publicly just to guess in terms of people than the classified world, there's very few people within the defense department you got basically three groups. When is the government where u got these special access programs operating someone as the pentagon. The department of defense you've got the department energy and you got this cia This is what i have learned so that defense department special access programs you can clean a little bit about this actually by studying the wilson davis notes the admiral willson document that leaked out last june twenty nineteen and you can see that within the. Defense department office of special acquisitions within that there's a structure,

41:35 What is the special access programs exist and the number of people have access to them you could i think you can count on the fingers one hand so it's very limited group of people it seems, what do you really have in that case within the pentagon is a small group of people who are guarding access to a private corporation being able to exploit this technology that's really where is the federal government is acting as. Security guard for private contractors and the same thing from what i have been told applies within the c.i.a i don't know to if it's a greater extent or lesser extent in pentagon, but when i have learned is that the area probably of the least oversight is the department energy which you know people know their history very fifty one they know that the department energy has had a very significant role

42:35 out at the nevada test site and by area fifty one so those are the three and individuals managing those special access programs would be very important to talk to it seems to me. Indeed indeed And i like to ask questions i don't hear people asked otherwise why we doing this and we want answers about these entities and there are some ways to take this upon ourselves at least two degree maybe not. Exact, except that we want you or maybe not the exact same beans but desperate times desperate measures in all that

43:12 I am curious if you've ever explored the techniques that do yield contact experiences with something non human particularly psychedelics people to take mushrooms are salvia ayahuasca natural plant medicines nothing from the mk ultra labs and they have, contact of some sort and i got a guy i can get my call we can ask somebody alien agendas before dinner tonight if we want to but have you ever explore that avenue. Nope, I've not done psychedelics. I don't really have a plan to kick down on the idea of doing an ayahuasca journey and maybe one day it'll happen i'll just get into that mode and I'll just go out do it but haven't really been tempted to do it and I'll truthfully tell you I'm skeptical of the value of that information now I am aware there are lot of folks who've done these types of hallucinogenics have compared notes with each other

44:06 And i'll talk about snake like people or. I just had a conversation you know that year ago with nick redfern who studied men and black me tell me about someone to add the experience where they saw man in black, now the question is did they didn't say i don't really think that anyone has confirmed are you truly breaking through the doors of perception to another dimension order to another place within your own psyche Maybe people who have done this have a very strong opinion one way or the other but I personally spoken to people that either of those opinions. I'm not sure what i think about it

44:44 That's fair i mean even the psychedelic community is split as you say i have had one breakthrough experience and the day before i would've been fully convinced that these things were real that people are meeting on. Drugs but after it happens its just a feeling that you have it's like how could you explain green to a blind person you know what's like, you know when you see it no i get an I'm not even dismissing what you say i mean please understand i'm not yeah you might be right my attitude about dimensions and speaking as a non scientist here but, i do believe that there are areas of reality that we can not ordinarily perceive it simply limitation of our senses where we have to remember. We have senses that allow us to proceed

45:37 certain things about the world around us but you know maybe it's possible that a psychedelic can activate part of the mind. And activate another sense so i keep that as a possibility would not rule out the question is what kind of actionable information can u take away from, that experience is another question like Who are these people? Can you have a conversation with them, can you learn about their psychology. Can you learn about their motivations? Can you learn about why they seem to be abducting people or can you learn about their physics? Can you learn about their material science which seems to be off the charts?" You know what I mean? So like, I don't know how much actual information one can get out of that other than they love us so they don't love us or things like that or the message which you hear, you know, love each other and

46:27 This way you can send me the ascension message was one that just flooded us in a ramp up to twenty twelve and i mean if another alien is gonna give me another moralistic. Plattitude then better you take it than may i'm kinda done with that they're not working just platitudes yes n, Of course it's not even a guarantee that these are the same beans even if you were to say that these psychedelic experience contact things are real i mean doesn't mean is the same entities at all but i know you're aware of that documentary witness of another world you've had the director on your show as well yes indeed.

47:05 And what's curious about that is the main subject of the film has this experience and it just uproots his life. But then he learns that he has a lineage of shamanism and you hear from the actual shamans, and they're not surprised by UFO activity at all. They're just like, yeah, it's very normal. We're familiar with it. So it's really the shamans that make me think that there's a deeper connection even more so than my own limited experience I'm on board with a lot of what you're saying here and i thought witness to another world was fascinating film. And i was really happy to talk to the creator that alan stivelman myself and i, really like what he's doing there it's a fair question there is no man does this phenomenon that's definitely physical definitely technological and there isn't element of this phenomenon that is

48:01 You can say consciousness space but it's almost even beyond consciousness in the sense of it thinks so far ahead of us probably you know i came across an interview not long ago by doctor davis, who is one of those guys on the inside at least to some extent he's on the inside knows a lot and david put like that i think was without rojas and you just said. You got a technological phenomenon at the same time you got something that's pre cognitively conscious of us or sentient in a pretty cognitive way like so far beyond us, we don't have to deal with it so that would almost seem like there is this spiritual element. What is the pierce to be the phenomenon

48:51 But there's definitely technology involved to so it's tricky to try and understand what exactly are we dealing with but the consciousness part of it really does matter in, how can not if you talking about people getting telepathic messages which that's consciousness. No we don't understand this find a scientist who can explain how remote viewing works the physics of it and none of these people can you have people who say oh yeah well it works okay we'll find so what's the like how does it work how is it possible for a human being to perceive something literally on inside of the world and house at possible for human being to proceed something in another time weather past or future that reeks havoc with our common sense notion of space and time yet, the fact is there are people who can do those things.

49:51 How is telepathy that is clear audience really how is that even physically possible we don't have answers for that as far as I can see never come across a single scientist who actually knows how to explain it that's why they dismiss it because i have a theory for but yet its true so, for the reason and makes it really hard for us to understand these more difficult elements That the ufo problem incorporate incorporates this type of advanced consciousness and is.

50:29 We don't know how to explain it so where can i grasping around flailing in the dark here try to come up with a genuine answer that incorporates almost like coming up with the grand theory of physics right. Which they want this is just one day so understand ufo's you need a kind of grant area physics incorporated because it really is beyond our current understanding things Oh, I absolutely agree and i've had a lot of guests on about the electric universe model and about ether physics because the whole thing is if these crafts are real then they work that you like you say they work so we have to figure out what their doing and there are people in the realm of ether physics who think they know and uh that's kind of exciting but

51:14 like you said it is a tangled web and i do like the consciousness side of things i'd like to spiritual side and then i come back to someone likes string field in those crash retrievals and then your right back to the physical, add it is just a lot to unpack and again just because i don't hear u asked about this really ever let me ask you about. A cult ritual those types of forms of contact as i know you've written about crowley and long i know you interviewed gordon white of course have you ever considered sitting in on a summoning or invocation to see what type of contact is possible and that way. Well it's something that i could try let me just say i researched all this in various ways so, it's something that i've known about for a long time

52:07 You know i know what ceremonial magic is and understand the principles of it the question is. Have you ever tried in a serious way no whatever participate or at least watch yes i would definitely watch to see what's going on there just mean its hard to say like, i know ritual is and i know which will does I participated in rituals even at monastic retreats for goodness sake i mean there's a value to having ritual, spiritual practice actually really important because what are you does of course is it trains your mind that's really what it is just the way to focus your mind and mine is the tool. And the ritual is well its means forgetting your mind as a tool to work in certain way

53:03 That's really all it is so you know ritual i mean scientists really don't fully understand often i feel the power of what ritual can do now the real question that maybe getting out and now is, can ritual in this manner the ritual of invocation in this case bring an entity from elsewhere presumably through the power of our own mind. And you know there are stories of this happen i mean this is a story of jack parsons and elrond hubbard right from nevada in nineteen forty six what person did all i can say is maybe.

53:48 Maybe it's just one of those things where i know its strange but i get sick of waiting for death bed confessions or disclosure and i just wanna jump in the deep end of the pool are actually want you to do it then tell me how it goes but even steven grier two to an extent could fall into that category and there's definitely stories a blue. Summoning ufo is me that's what the cf stuff is exactly what it is and what he's done no he's created a ritual. That's exactly what that is to see if you cause of protocol but its ritual, but it's a method by which you focus your intention and i've participated in c five events have gone never had any remote success

54:33 And i have friends who do c five and i respect them and i believe them when they tell me that things happen so. I don't wanna be misunderstood but i do know that there are many cases where people will do see fives, can they turn a satellite into you know in alien craft and it happens alot so the power of belief can go both ways maybe theirs, actual summoning i definitely leave as possibility but theres a lot of noise In that whole thing so it's true again to crapshoot but i would like people said richard we want you out there first five it's a nice warm night.

55:15 And i don't mind the company i would consider a suppose i put a lot more stock in the kind of grimoire magic that i do see five just cuz there's a longer history and i still don't have experience with it just like alien bodies in the basement right paterson i gotta take someone else is, word for it but we hear about enough that i think there's some meat on those bones and of course peter levin has written about blue blood elite. Summonings in contact with the nine and some beans and spaceships apparently that said they wanna enact their will through these people on this farmhouse in Maine so they've done it is just like.

55:53 I guess i get impatient with the certain people in visible college having this information they're not letting loose on their grip and there might be other ways to. Get out of the library and into the field and possibly contact something first hand, i can appreciate the impatience that many times my life i mean here's a thing where dumped into world has gotten seven billion people A lot of people out there and a lot of forces out there in this world is a structure in this world and for better or worse it isn't entrenched structure and. For any one of us to think oh yeah just gonna go when i'm gonna rearrange that structure i'm gonna change things i'm gonna make this radical change you know i had decided years ago and

56:54 It hasn't happened now it doesn't mean that change doesn't happen but dramatic change like flipping a switch and disclosure, i'm not so sure about that anymore when i wrote my first book ufo's international security state first volume. What's writing all through the later half of the nineteen nineties and i wouldn't say that i thought that that book would be the hammer that broke the wall of secrecy but i did allow myself some fantasy moments late at night thinking maybe this will be the hammer that breaks the secrecy like maybe what if, if i do just a perfect enough argument i lay things out make it airtight and so on and so on that would affect people. And what is instead was popular book in the field has affected our community

57:45 And perhaps has had a slow ripple effect very slow has contributed i should say to a slow ripple effect. The rest of the world but it hasn't changed the structure power and we have a very entrenched system here, its very entrenched i think that we all benefit from pushing reality of this phenomenon in getting out there as effectively as possible I'm a firm believer in that i don't like being lied to by my government and i think she's five years old spoon fed bullshit for the rest of my life. Why are all other reality is there and it's not acknowledged so i'm not a fan of that on the other hand, just think that anyone else is gonna be able to transform overnight strikes me more i go into this as fantasy thinking some gonna try to realistic here

58:44 I think it was jordan peterson who i very much admire, who made an analogy said you know people go into this world thinking that just gonna change the world like they know how the world system should work. He said imagine you gonna go and take on a helicopter you have this idea that you can design this helicopter and change it around. And make it fly better is all your deal with your destroy the helicopter any point out you know the global system, societal system of things that make our community work are equally intricately complex And i think it's point in his case was don't go thinking that you can just go and muck about and not make things worse instead of making them better now in our case. I have believed consistently for the twenty five years that worked on this that ufo secrecy has damaged our society more than it is help our society but there's a couple what ifs, no what if the story by jimmy carter crying in his office nineteen seventy seven was based on the fact

59:53 that he recognize this reality is dark and we don't have any way of controlling it you know if these beings could squash like a bug or they've infiltrated us or undermining us are there doing terrible things to us and can control what if that were true. And we dont stop it then is disclosure good or not well my attitude is the truth is always better than fiction but all im saying is I'm doing everything that i feel like you to shed light on this subject but im not gonna hold my breath and think that we're changing one of the things that were dealing with me haven't yet discussed but be up for it is the technological transformation of our society what's doing to us basically transhumanist revolution that is right at your step sure yeah that is including weather today i am five g tech

1:00:54 5g technology and the coming twenty four seven nonstop surveillance state that. Will not only be watching us all the time but will be literally controlling our behavior and turning us into a different sort of human one without initiative one, when i will i really believe this is happening so that's huge transformational shift thats going on to our species it'll take a few generations but It's happening and you can actually see culturally that it's changing successive generations from the last more in my view absolutely bad way, any words twenty years now let's say we get to a point where i just close your can happen the question that i think we can ask is.

1:01:48 Will it happen in a way that is completely controlled by the established powers with total spin. And manipulation of data so that its almost as if disclosure didn't even happen you know if you look at all the amount of your data that exists as a mountain imagine that the tiniest sliver, are there mountain is disclosed giving a very very skewed view what this subject is And life goes on while everyone's now having their total immersive video games and having their soil in green or doing whatever, and living their own little fantasy world. Because that's really all that is going to happen there are not going to be jobs for people they're gonna be living off of a system where they're controlled, given certain income because you give them an income from this state your control by the state and you know the last thing

1:02:50 governments will want from citizens that are totally dependent on them is initiative and independent thought. And i'll make absolutely sure that there's no initiative in no independent thought can you do that shit food to shit entertainment, Fantasy games yes more and more fantasy games you know we see it even in hollywood with the superhero movies and only fantasy themes that they have coming out but you'll see it throughout the culture so its a complete divorce from reality, i think thats what were looking at and so in that kind of world i really ask myself like what will disclosure even matter.

1:03:27 Because it's almost like we're gonna be given to an utterly ignorant population. That is no sense of his own history anymore that has no sense of the time humanity anymore will even matter i mean this is my guess some of my darker thoughts but, I can't lie to you and say like i don't think about it because they do think about it i wonder about this right well your company here in, actually have a quote of yours is really great about technology we say. It won't end with us being watched mine reading technologies are being developed electrodes can be attached to your skull and algorithms can identify the words you think with ninety percent accuracy you see

1:04:06 Your brain produces certain wavelengths when you think certain words, so surprise! The current tech is a bit clunky since it requires you to be thinking actual words and they still need wires connected to your skull but it's a start. What is... Unnerving is how optimistic some of these articles sound how happy the authors are that these new technologies can quote help people, how wonderful sure who doesn't want their mind picked open by a futuristic artificially intelligent locksmith. I mean bam there it is. Some of these writers i mean i just think how utterly irresponsible they are most of them aren't really that smart they're basically shells for their corporate masters anyway

1:04:48 You know they pose as journalists are not actually journalist in my view so their propaganda is really what they are and i think that's a lot of the optimism. Come to my either intentional propaganda or more realistically just kind of, not very deeply philosophical people which is normal who are hired by these corporations and there has to write a story on this subject and then they. I know it's expected them so thats what you do And you know there's always short term game like for example if you wanna implement a smart city so called smart city what all that means is that it's under total surveillance i get every element of the city has got monitors in various ways. Very likely would result unless street crime i mean in theory right because everyone being surveilled, where facial recognition and voice recognition software and all that is pervasive

1:05:44 Then if you commit a crime you can get caught and even if you're wearing a mask there's body language recognition me there is all of these types of technologies are coming online like it's going to be impossible. Do anything without being monitored sure make the streets safer in that sense and thats good like we don't wanna go out and get mugged, how was my once many years ago wouldn't want to happen again so there's that on the other side of it is u r paying a price where you have zero privacy inside your home, inside your bedroom most likely and certainly on the street so when you know that you have no privacy well i changes your behavior entirely and then of course there's even more than that. There is the whole ability to create up not even simply minority report type situation where your behaviors can be predicted but the fact is everyone of us right now has created digital footprint

1:06:46 Where were web browsing activities or phone email. Who are buying habits there gps on our phone all of that and more where the point now where algorithms can be created a variety of them not just to predict your behavior but to create a complete psychological profile who you are, in the sense that someone else can know u better than you know yourself in a lot of ways better than i know myself like that's actually possible now and the only question is who's got access to that information well in china the government has access to that information in the west corporations, can maybe some gopher pages have access to that information we don't really no in the west allowed its corporate so they can sell your things. And manipulate it away but thats the world moving into and it's only gonna get worse not gonna get better

1:07:40 And that's the thing that actually the saddest part of the world we're moving into is this loss. Are most fundamental element of humanity which is not simply our privacy but how are, independence as human beings like if you don't have that if your not sovereign yourself What are you even doing right? So that's what's wearing away and That's the thing that if I could stop anything Anything in the world from happening. I would stop that. I just don't know how amen Yes, your preaching to the choir. I mean hosting a show like this I think about this stuff every day in a cold sweat and bed And yeah, but give me Liberty or give me death, you know And I know we're running out of time the last

1:08:33 Disinfo element i wanted to bring in just to talk more about the obvious red herrings and you follow g, you've done some pretty epic take downs of the corey good david willcox stuff and to be honest interview with them and request from roger stones publisher are they only two real big interviews up declined do roger stone scares me but record goodwill cox stuff Even though i've done much crazier interviews and as you say i'm willing to talk to anyone in this field there is a weird feeling i get when the narrative gets. Too popular and i think it starts doing a lot of harm and, i personally don't want to contribute to the problem despite what if u shows in my archive might suggest but hey those were different times and i guess to make a question out of this do you have any

1:09:19 gripes with alternative media or advice to make it a positive thing for interviewers in this space when it comes to that balance between wanting to get an epic story that is just a witness account with no evidence versus not wanting to do harm and the overall quest for truthiness. I think I understand the question, alternative media as actually now just non- Corporate non establishment media is everything else and you know the thing is we always must tell if responsible, we have to follow standard journalistic rules which is. You should know what your sources are you should try to confirm your sources and things like that i mean i don't think ever changes that's just basic common sense there's a responsibility in doing the things that we do remember the first time i was interviewed for any tv thing ever

1:10:19 It was a little thing that i think no hair anyway but i remembered it just before i started speaking my god like there can be people who don't know me hear my words and. That's going to have an effect on their thinking including young people when i just had this idea that everything that i say matters, everything i say matters in therefore take it seriously and therefore i dont wanna just toss out something unless I feel really strongly confident about it and so when i come across stories in the field and there's so many of them, and is a long history of this goes back entire human lifetime of stories on confirm like i had contact with this alien being they told me that they told me that this isn't old story not a new story my attitude is.

1:11:12 Unless you can show me genuine evidence i'm putting it in the same category with all the other fake stories that happened in the past and just not gonna accept that, i won't accept it i want call someone a liar i don't wanna get into personal vendetta with anybody. It's not healthy for me and its waste of time frankly but i strongly believe in evidence based journalism whether it's in ufology or not in ufology doesn't matter that means alternative based non corporate establishment as well anything else now it's hard sometimes to get the kind of levels of evidence and proof that we would ideally want when you're doing a story and its fair. You interview someone who just makes one claim like absolutely its fair, and is up to each person to decide do I choose to believe this person or not so there's always going to be these stories out there but for my part like i just feel

1:12:16 i just know from the ufo feel that most people like they want answers desperate for answers and when someone comes along like the next new person who comes along since i have all the answers, always gonna get a certain number of people who wanna latch on to them because whether they have a magnetic. Personality or they got really cool story people will just They like it they like to entertain because most people the stakes are really even that high what's the big deal i choose to believe this guy for me, there is no way like i have to be careful i can't just throw in with any old person comes and without a shred of like you gotta give me something man you gotta get me something that i can work with. I've gotta be able to investigate either the people if u have a claim

1:13:13 That is so outlandish like you've done time travel one of these claims then you gotta give me something extra here give me access to all the people close to you get me access what's happened of course in that particular cases at no one. I don't even like to mention these people by name i dont want to give him the credit there is a lot of people in this field and Ultimately one of the videos i created is why false claims ultimately crash and burn something like that it's true like, ultimately the truth is gonna win. It just often takes a long time and its frustrating but i believe in the truth and i believe in journalistic responsibility as hard you know honestly

1:14:05 countless times i could have if i really wanna get more clicks or more book sales or whatever i can gone into the deep end and just repeated every crazy ass story that's ever come to me, but im not gonna do it because i don't believe a lot of those stories and if i dont really believe in american offer to you anyone else the problem is. There are unfortunately a number of authors and public speakers who. They either have a really low level of what they believe or they just actually consciously lying in this both groups, there are people in the field do i know that their line i know they don't believe a word but they say can prove it but im pretty sure you don't believe it and then theres others who i just think are pretty credulous

1:14:52 I agree and it's just sometimes hard to be a host in this field and be attracted to extremes but if the goal is to, reveal things and do no harm you can't go to the furthest extreme because then you are doing harm. And there is a better responsibility and maybe when i was twenty five i didn't get it now that i'm thirty five trying real back some up to some Island of sanity but you know here we are so the things that we do matter like my attitude is everything i say matters. Everything i do matters even if no one's looking at me so thats how i try to live my life which means, when i make a public statement i want to be confident of what im saying is at least i actually believe it's true

1:15:43 I mean i can be wrong since no sin and being wrong it's normal normally there is nothing wrong with admitting you been wrong in my opinion, i've had disagreements with all kinds of people and last time site later thought yeah was rock and that's actually where burchan russell says that's what science is great because if science is not committed to one particular answer signs can be flexible and i think that's the best attitude like that you want You wanna be able to change your mind problem by the way with being a public figure this is every public figure everyone's got this and if they deny it there line is that there's always pressure once you put position out there in the world. The pressures on you to maintain their possession yes and they've got these expectations of you,

1:16:32 And your job as a public figure is to fight that every inch of the way because the fact is you're always gonna be in danger of solidifying and losing your flexibility. If you not a public figure who cares if he change your opinion no one care your public figure when you do a 180 well then people like they get upset with you and, no one should deceive themselves like there's a tremendous psychological pressure on everyone including myself Do that now difference with me is i remind myself of this all the time. Can i always try to fight it and do my best you know i mean i do my best but fortunately i'm in a good position where actually like, public positions i have i believe them i genuinely believe them but ultimately means being evidence-based and because i stay that out very consciously

1:17:28 I don't mind if i have to change my opinion on things like mine too much the thing is when you change your opinion implicitly recognizing what was wrong with was there for stupid did i believe this really dumb thing for a long time and sometimes that's true. That's unfortunate the problem that i could do missions often have is like there sometimes the most pig headed dumb people on ufo ever because. They been in this field for a long time denied it denied it denied it denied it they're very accomplished and their feel they are intelligent generally, think they're smarter than most other people and so they don't want to this isn't insults to their intelligence that's really what it is may get them to admit that good luck though

1:18:12 Very few very few people will do that right they get committed but man i'm so glad you said some of those things there are very helpful for me and be thinking about that for a long time i'm sure but. Richard this is been awesome real honor and pleasure i definitely tried to mobilize my resources lately to get here and i am sure your heart from, couple different sides appreciate it cuz i know your busy and no my brandy never can seem a bit wild over the top And some serious people don't want to be associated with all that and the silly conspiracy-minded stoner dropout host, but I'm trying to buck preconceived notions of what that means just like you might be for what people think of ufology researchers. So thanks for taking the risk!

1:18:52 Before we go I definitely want to encourage people to read your books you also have a member site that has so much high quality information for people who wanna kick it up a notch but do take just a minute to tell them where they can further scratch the Richard Dolan itch, so to speak. Thank you and by the way i've really enjoyed this with you Greg was a great conversation so yeah enjoyed very much. I got two main websites one from my books its richard dolan press easy navigate through I publish some books by other individuals as well, some really good authors. You can check those out and my most active website is richarddolanmembers.com where i put up fresh material all the time. Whether it's through articles or off-the-cuff videos that i record all the time. I have a weekly hour long podcast that's for members of that site and part twos of my radio program are on there as well just like you've got. So that's quite active at Richard Dolan Members and then i've got the YouTube channel which

1:19:53 Type my name in for you to richard dolan you find it richard m dolan knows the main areas where i do a lot of my activities days have got lotsa videos. I do weekly program with my wife tracy called intelligent disclosure i've got interview based program called the virtual show and i'll do any number of solo live streams as well Right on. So that's what keeps me going and I'm trying to get various writing projects done, I want to get volume three of UFOs in the national security state in the tank one of these days working on it. Nice well thanks again I gotta let you go sometime even though we didn't get to transistors my labs the moon or mars but this was a blast hopefully we both get some fresh members and when you finish that false flag book I hope we can talk again until then keep fighting the good fight my man

1:20:44 Thank you, sir. It was a pleasure. Truly was. and given that his time is pretty in demand, he's always working. I didn't want to put him through the same old same old kind of interview and i wanted to try to frame things up around the idea of bypassing the national security state all together and asking are there ways that we can actually maybe get you direct contact rather than wanting to know what they know or hoping that they open up some other stuff

1:21:31 Of course, I don't see Richard as one of these guys who's hopelessly waiting for disclosure. It would be a huge disservice to his work to say that but in my opinion if you want these answers bad enough maybe there are outside-of-the box ways to make direct contact with nonhuman entities? I'm not point blank saying that spirit contact or entheogenic contact is the same as ET beings But it's a decent consolation prize if the alternative option is true unspun disclosure and waiting for that to show up. I guess i just think of it as a numbers game because, If a lot of the public isn't going to be convinced until this IS on the legacy media cable news channels... ...I got five grams of mushrooms that might help get them there without that barrier of entry that might never come

1:22:29 You know potentially before we request more from an aging invisible college for the time again and again that isn't willing to give us much, you just smoke a little salvia devon or in the right set and setting. And gain more from that experience than a decade's worth of slow highly controlled trips maybe maybe not but i also think about the work that's been done on Astral projection and the work that's been done on remote viewing. And i think maybe spirits are the astro projections of beans in another place in the universe, maybe the mind to mind communication that happens with some of the protocols out there new fallacy is a side effects that we've actually got quite a lot of data here on this planet that humans have disability

1:23:26 We focus on the nuts and bolts sometimes but our best methods for projecting ourselves outward aren't these tin can rockets it seems to be our own mind. But i am just a simple stoner college dropout podcast host what do I know? But it feels like it might be time to get creative and strategic, maybe even throw some hail marys if we want any serious progress! So I thought that would be a good creative direction to go because anyone who's followed Richard's work over the years or has listened to the Higher Side chats for the decade that we've been doing this, they probably have a pretty good handle on the history of government interest in UFOs itself. I do think his surveillance state comments are more poignant than ever and he has an expertise that spills over into several great areas that most people consider overly compartmentalized

1:24:23 And a lot of shows like THC don't even feel comfortable covering both false flags and aliens, so it's a great fit for us to spend some time with the guest who has that. And it's fitting that this episode comes right after Alan Greenfield because his biggest gripe or a point that he goes over several times in his book secret cipher of the euthanized. Is that the magic slash occult ritual contact people and you file just they don't talk to each other enough in fact lotta time's have contempt for the other group

1:25:00 But i'm in a man they are knowledgeable enough about what the other groups data sets happen to contain and it's a shame because if they shared notes that see a lot of strange similarities. And richard said today a lot of conspiracy or ufo disclosure folks they just don't know their history well enough but i dont know enough about how governments operate, can make the claims that they make It's a fair point. I'm embarrassed by my own history, Rolodex sometimes which is why i just ask the questions but I've always liked Richard's approach and demeanor and personality. I've dealt with some real egomaniacs and divas over the years hosting a show like this Some people twice my age are shockingly difficult to deal with

1:25:47 What's the background in retail you learn to just overlook it and deal with difficult people anyway by, accepting a little disrespect in the interest of just getting to the point so what's nice we don't have to just act we asked somebody go. And Richard's ways are actually pretty important in times like these. If you have a disagreement, talk it out but focus on the data and the arguments rather than hurling emotional attacks at a person. These are polarized times! I like how he tends to say, I'm not convinced by that argument instead of You're wrong Everyone has opinions particularly in the wake of a mess like coronavirus

1:26:32 I try to digest as many of them as i can and then float the threads that are most interesting or valuable to the top. What is important to remember respect and kindness when everybody seems a bit more volatile than usual I would also mention again that if you want to hear the interview on ufology, consciousness and disclosure that i think is a real contender for podcast interview of the year it's Richard Dolan and Alex Sikaris on Skeptico. I'm going to link to it in this show notes because I enjoyed it so much

1:27:09 I think we always sort of admire someone else's ability to do what were not very good at and alex is so debate ready and has this hold your feet to the fire style that i can never really duplicate, add just another great guy lucky to know. I guess i would also throw out there that since Richard has his own robust members club, the plus show is going to be available for them also. And those folks I say hi there and hello! I hope you enjoyed the vibe of this thing and maybe you want to check out more of my big old archive over at thehighersidechats.com Anyway in the second hour for people who didn't hear it we got into Wilhelm Reich and the potential for attracting UFOs with a cloudbuster gun

1:27:55 Orgone, sexual energy and aliens, hybrids, spiritual technologies, self-organizing plasmas and consciousness. And of course the real reptilians among us. Although that does remind me I asked Richard about plasmas and he did say didn't feel too comfortable going too deep because he hasn't combed over that material like you might want to But he knows a guy whose finger is very much on the pulse of that. You probably heard him say that and he mentioned putting us in contact Well true to his word, He did put us in contact And I've been talking to this guy for the last couple weeks He wants to remain kind of anonymous and he was hesitant at first but he has agreed To break it all down for us on THC and I know it's going to be a super unique

1:28:46 Great show. So big thanks to Richard for helping me facilitate that as well It's gonna be quite wild and to my own plus members I would say consider peeking under the hood of richarddolanmembers.com He's got no shortage of quality content And if you want a really great complete front-to-back primer on the history of ufology UFOs for the 21st century mind is pretty much my gold standard And with that i'm getting out of here stay safe stay skeptical and just be kind to each other putting the fear. A face-to-face human interaction and contact into a society is very scary place to beat justified or not, i can only hope it's temporary because we need human contact and people need work

1:29:40 and I don't want to see fear, panic and hype convince us as a society to pay a price that ends up being too high. I don't know where that line is but it is important to remember that there IS THAT LINE SOMEWHERE! Anyway hopefully these strange times will be behind us soon enough and we can come out the other side not taking the nuances of life and humanity for granted Take care out there, I've done my part. Your move Deep State Disclosure Deniers Breakaway Civilizations and Agents of the ET Info Quarantine... your fucking move. Oh no You see The world isn't random It's attached to puppet strings Control over everything

1:30:41 The 9-to-5 has tried to steal ya Now don't that job seem silly? Hello, can you hear me Or should I play back recordings From some spying agency Wish we were younger and free I'll be thankful when it's all exposed A vast conspiracy There is such a difference Between me and the damn brush I hollow from the highest high

1:31:29 They're calling out a thousand crimes. They'll tell you the story of everything that's been done, and they'll call out deception from the web that's been spawned. Hallowed from the highest high, inside They'll tell you about something that no one else will Have you heard about sad? Have you heard about the real since long ago? But, No. They're cartoons It's so typical of me to talk about this stuff I'm sorry That's good

1:32:33 And well, did you ever hear the argument That nothing really happens It's no secret that the best is plugged It's doubling your time Hello from the higher side They're calling out a thousand cries Now tell me something the elite have done And they'll call out deception from a web that's been spawned Hello from the higher side Challenging your paradise

1:33:28 And I'll tell you something, that the battle's begun But we can't fight it with violence The mind's where it is won at the war Hello from the higher side They're calling out a thousand cries

1:34:16 They'll tell you something the elite have done And they'll call out deception on the web that's been spun Follow from the higher side Challenging your paradigm It's a shame that the battle has begun But we can't fight it with violence The mind is where it's won, that's the point