Michael Joseph | The Occult Religion of the Elite & Its Influence

00:05 Puppet masters almost surely have clearly made me something heavy And until you've thoroughly tested every last course just to know the less you really do That's true, Dr. Seuss Without THC, could they lie and do us just a- Without THC, the higher side checks show I would constantly

00:44 Alright, Hireside Chatters. We've seen by now that to fully explore the things they don't want you to know can truly take a lifetime of independent study and if you've ever dedicated a sizable amount of energy into examining the deep dark and twisted web that spreads across these threads in the near infinite Pandora's box of subjects like Occult esoteric philosophy, symbolism, cosmology, theosophy, Gnosticism, Freemasonry, alternative history, astrology, secret doctrines hidden motivations and all the rest of it in this weird world. One of the first things you learn is that you really don't know shit so I think it's extra important to stay open-minded absorb multiple opinions and resist the temptation to jump to conclusions when you're attempting to get a handle on the complex subtext of all things

01:28 Well today we're going to try and do just that because we're gonna make an effort to get into the heads of the elite, to unravel the mystery religion of the adept occultists that might reside high within the power pyramid. Examine how they might see the world, how they might interpret their symbols, and how they might view their role in the big dramatic theatrical production we call life And here to lead us out of ignorance and into illumination is Michael Joseph, an independent researcher and elite belief system enthusiast who has put together 30-plus hours of excellent and expansive YouTube videos on these various subjects. I'm psyched to have him here! Michael my man welcome to the Higher Side

02:04 Thank you Greg. I don't know about leading people out of ignorance, but just trying to show different perspectives that's where i'm coming from for sure for sure i like the dramatic flair of the introduction well thank you and thanks for being here man i really am looking forward to this ready to go deep and i think your videos are pretty great You try to remain objective and rather than guessing or assuming what something means, you go back to primary text and read lengthy passages. And convey a lot of material from the first-hand sources that we hear referenced so often but few actually go back and read the works up. I get it life is busy cubicles don't fill themselves but to get us started

02:46 What you've done already is a huge undertaking. It could be probably like, a three-month course? How did you develop an interest in these subjects and end up going as deep as you have?" Yeah it's just kind of the transitions of life... I guess what really started me looking at anything that would be deemed esoteric was really astrology That's something that growing up I just always thought was complete horseshit. But, I always had the exoteric version of it you know the horoscope in the newspaper so obviously it's easy to debunk that and so what ended up happening was...I don't know early 20s my ex-girlfriend

03:27 She had an aunt or a grandaunt who was an astrologer, professional astrologer in Vegas. And I was just kind of like, okay rolling my eyes at that so apparently she had told her just my birthday she didn't have my birth time or anything and so just from that my ex-girlfriend relayed to me what she said And I was just really creeped out by it. I was just like, what? It was so strangely accurate to things that you only internally know about yourself You know what i mean and im just like wait a second There is so much truth into what it was that I was like okay I have to look at this Now this could be my mind making this up But I was already skeptical about it I had no reason to be biased So from there I started looking at it a little bit

04:15 checking out my own birth chart and going to like Astro theme or places like that and just getting basic knowledge of things and seeing how strangely related to me so from there fast forward until I guess the waking up right? To the conspiracy world. I really didn't know about any of this stuff until all the Boston bombing happened Wow Yeah, and the thing was it's strange is like I already had so many skeptical mindsets about history in the government stuff like that. But I was working to be a musician so I really just focused 100% of my time on trying to get better guitar and things like that. So you know, my head was down moving in that direction. Basically, I had a band at that time when I was renting a practice space and the guy who ran the space

05:05 When the Boston bombing happened, I went up and he was listening to the radio. And I just walked in there and I didn't really know what to say because I was never really affected by these so-called big traumatic events as much. And so, I was just like bad day huh? and he could tell you wanted to say something and then from that led into this two hour discussion of him laying out the new world order to me being my drummer. And i was not expecting that but I was really intrigued by it where I think my drummer was freaked out. To me it was like wow! That's something you don't hear every day So I was just kind of, you know interested in hearing this different perspective and then later on Facebook which i'm not really on anymore but one of my old friends who used to work with a restaurant

05:51 Posted something about the Hegelian dialect and like hmm. What's that? So I googled that and that led me to Mark Passio is what on earth is happening Hmm, and I ended up watching all of that immediately And I was like holy shit this exists this explains so many things that I had thought about the world So I was just really ignorant to the conspiracy world But if I had known about it beforehand, I probably would have been much more receptive to it If you see what I'm saying mm-hmm And so from there, a lot of things happened to me. That was just after 2012 so all the programs like Red Ice Radio that I found and listened to were talking about that So i kind of got into that and then later on some things happened in my life and went through a really difficult time and I started looking heavily at the Orthodox Christian side because the guy who ran my practice space he was more in line with that version of The New World Order

06:47 I started looking at Walter Vaith's Total Onslaught series. So this is the more of the Orthodox side of things, viewing The New World Order. So I kind of got into that and then I started looking at more of the esoteric occult stuff because obviously the Orthodox Christians are saying that everybody is a Satanist, anything that's astrology is evil blah blah blah... And I'm like okay well let me look at this stuff and see what I really think about it so I've been kind of back and forth on all these different pillars of the conspiracy world, you know. The New Age stuff, the Christian stuff, the Gnostic stuff... And so along that journey, I just kind of absorbed what makes sense to me about them and the parts that led me into the things that I now discard. I noticed things happening in me that i didn't like

07:37 and just internally. And so, okay maybe there's something wrong with this idea or this ideology because it's producing bad effects in me and how I treat other people. So it's always been this internal journey at the same time viewing the external world. That's kind of where I'm at now where I started researching these things and I'm just like man there seem to be a lot of misconceptions about stuff And I just kind of felt an obligation that maybe I should try to put some of these things out there that might help people in a similar situation that I was, where it's like okay people are telling me this is what this means but well what about that? The whole thing about the elites worship Saturn and the black cube. Well why do i read their literature when they seem to be completely

08:19 anti the Demiurge or anti Saturn Satan. So these need to be reconciled for me, for my own purposes and you know, to sum this up it's getting long winded that just where it's at now where I'm just presenting the things that I've looked at giving all the sources so people can make up their own mind about it and I'm hoping that maybe that helps some people if they haven't been aware of some of these things right on Yeah man, I definitely like to get a little of that context when i'm talking to people who I just haven't heard a whole lot from especially them talking about themselves very much and it seems like you've digested a ton of dense material in kind of a short time.

08:59 kind of in awe of that, but you refer to your occult series as an exploration of the hidden religions of world organizations. And that is right at the heart of what I find really interesting and I guess I would ask do you think it can be summed up into one particular school of thought or do you think they're pulling from multiple different worldviews? Yeah, I think the fundamental principles behind all this stuff is that the exoteric religions, the outer religions as they call them. There are secrets within those that you can derive the true primitive religion and that religion is basically of the cosmos right? This is what The Nature Of The Stars teaches us and so to sum it all up I guess I would choose from what I've read from Levadsky and Pike and people like

09:55 They say that one of the greatest culminations of this was the ancient Greeks and the Alexandrian Gnosis, and Neoplatonists. That seems to be what a lot of this is centered around in Pythagoras so they say that they get all that information from Eastern religion and Blavatsky seems to think that the Eastern doctrines of non-dualism and teaching heliocentrism, and that the material world is this illusion on the material plane. That's like the primitive religion that all of this derives from. And so all these cycles of different myths and religions that come up you can still derive that primitive religion but you have to look for the hidden meaning. So that's kind of like hidden things in scripture. So that's what Gnosticism or Kabbalah is about

10:47 And that is the same as nature. So looking at the methodologies of the nature we see, the outer nature. If you look to the inner secrets that will derive the above but if you worship the outer nature, you know, the exoteric paganism which would basically be okay, We have our nature gods sometimes they're angry at us Sometimes they like us and that's all we know of God That's what would be seen as profane paganism And so the esoteric paganism would be derived from astronomical concepts and things like that. So, that's really the fundamentals of all of this is understanding what's exoteric and esoteric from their viewpoint And I think that is really key to unlocking a lot of this in ways that make more sense That's where I've been at or take that fundamental principle

11:37 And I just try to read, okay what does Blavatsky say is esoteric? What does Pike say that is esoteric? What do they say is exoteric and then anytime they mention a figure in history. This is why in the series when it gets at Giordano Bruno and Hypatia It's very interesting how people at Cosmos like DeGrasse Tyson and Sagan They're giving you the mystery religion version of history and I just find that very strange Whereas the scholarly world has a very different viewpoint. So I like putting all these things side by side and I just kind of let the audience filter out what makes sense to them as to why those discrepancies are there

12:16 Yeah, and that's fair. And obviously this is so deep but to kind of elaborate on that point about Neil deGrasse Tyson and him teaching the mystery religion I think some people might be a little surprised by that perspective because i think the common perception Is that he would be an atheist? That he's one of these guys promoting material atheism But that might not be the case right yeah, and that's the genius of it to me is because To me, this is what I see happening with it. The occultists view people who are atheistic as kind of the most profane because they're at the bottom of the chain—they're the devil card in tarot and i like to use the two tarot cards of the devil and the lovers to convey a lot of these ideas everything that is exoteric is the devil card everything that is esoteric is the lover's card

13:07 So, basically the altruism of Prometheus is giving you know the divine intellect of the lover's card, the gnosis to the profane man. And that is the sacrifice that is indicated on the Lucius Tress website on The United Nations and littered throughout all esoteric philosophy and so that's kind of what Baphomet represents to me is your uniting profane man to deity And you know it's gonna create this chaos but from that will become a more divine order and is the cycle of doing that in the process of alchemy so that seems to be my opinion what they're trying to do to the human race so.

13:49 With the atheists being so enamored, and again I'm not making a comment on people who are atheist or anything like that. I am just saying strictly from their viewpoint they are kind of being indoctrinated without knowing it because they're looking up to the heavens right? They were looking at the cosmos and if you read Copernicus and all these guys they're all saying the more you look up the lesser you will get away from the profanity of man's sinful nature in the lower realms. And so I think they view that they are trying to initiate people into the mysteries, and it's a slow process of indoctrination and it's very interesting because what do all these people who are enamored with science and atheism do? They're attacking all of the exoteric religions. So in some sense

14:36 they are attacking the enemies of Freemasonry. So, they're kind of being used in this way and this is kind of interesting with Gnosticism because that's kind of the view of the Demiurge there is a purpose for him and his mode of consciousness but it's being used from a higher level to do that so you can see that concept playing out with all the people constantly fighting with each other That's what I'm trying to say is, you know everyone's fighting over a lot of things that maybe we're all getting our strings pulled from something else and we're attacking what seems to be the visible problem not the hidden problem. You know? Right and i do think that's really interesting like I've had a lot of guests talk about The Deity Flip-the idea that the Abrahamic religions are actually worshiping a negative entity which turns out to be like the Demiurge. They're worshiping the lower

15:32 God, the material dualistic God. Dualism is a big and I do think the atheism component is interesting because it's like when you source back The Big Bang Theory one of the tenants of atheism that kind of got up a lot of people on that path It comes from a Vatican astronomer. Yeah, so it's like if the Vatican is preaching that you should Worship the demiurge and then they're also coming up with the atheistic paradigm It's kind of like these two ideas as science and religion thing we think of them is so different They come from a similar source and they're both thought from the occult view to be lower

16:11 worldviews, lower ideas. Is that right? Well here's the interesting thing I think it's in video 6.0 and 6.1 I talk about the Big Bang and that theory everything that what's his name LeMaitre I think is talking about the primeval atom and the cosmic egg That is actually when you read Blavatsky and Pike and all those guys It's almost like he derived it from them so The Vatican is weird because to me they serve an exoteric function where it's like, okay people will point their finger at them and say you know they're all about the literalism of the bible right but to me this is where the knights templar story comes into play. And I don't really want to get into that now because it's going to get sidetracked but basically I think there's an exoteric and esoteric component to the Vatican where I see a lot of Gnostic symbolism coming from them but that's the hidden part of it

17:10 Now i know that my freak out some people but i'm just saying that this is what i get from the literature when i apply it. But the point being is that are they perverting that or, There's different ways of looking at it. So somebody is into Gnosticism, not saying that you're following the wrong religion or something It's way more complex than that Yeah And the Orthodox I completely sympathize with the people who say The Orthodox versions produce duality because...I mean let's just face it there's a lot of stuff that comes from The Orthodox camp that I just can't resonate with at all but I do think that A lot of points they make are valid with certain things

17:50 the literalism and you have to believe that Jesus is a literal person. I just, I can't go with that! And so I completely sympathize but sometimes I wonder if maybe the exoteric has been created By the people running it to project something to become this straw man of what. The creator is to bring them into their side sometimes i think about that i don't know that's just an idea but, it's very strange because if they're the ones controlling all this What can you trust?

18:43 It's very complex and it's just good to try on the different hats and try to figure out how things work. But, to add even another layer here... I mean when you're citing people like Pike and Manly P. Hall—and maybe even Crowley to some extent—these people are thought to be bound to secrecy for their orders. Can we trust their public-facing work? Yeah and you know that's pretty much up for anybody to decide individually on their own but where I'm coming from is that, As far as I know, that's the best we can gain as an insight to the world simply because they got a statue of Albert Pike. That's kind of important. He is a Confederate general and everybody hates the Confederacy nowadays but nobody's criticizing that statue how ironic? And then the Lucius Trust Foundation which is associated with United Nations in their philanthropy

19:40 they're following Blavatsky's teachings openly on their site, but how many people know about that site? So you can say they're perverting the teachings or not. I don't really care but i'm just saying that that's the reason why I chose looking at those so much and when I read those passages and I look at the world it's just like holy shit! Look how well this matches up. That's kind of where I'm coming from with that And then the secrecy part of it is... This is where I try to take it based on what we know from them What if we start using their system and maybe when we're presented a symbol, try to come up with our own explanation from their mindset. So don't rely on everything they say

20:22 but use their general foundational principles and try to derive things. So this is what I try to do a lot with the tarot symbolism and baphomet, stuff like that. I try to apply what I know about esoteric philosophy to something that makes more sense to me sometimes than what we've been told. I'll give a perfect example you know the Mithras slaying the bull? You see that at The Vatican Museum And what I've read about that from Manly Palmer Hall doesn't really quite make a lot of sense to me in context with a lot of the other stuff. But what does make sense to me is that it's the essence of the highest spiritual sun slaying the base desires or the earthly nature of man, so it's like the compass slaying the desires of the square and that's a process of alchemy and unifying them and the bowl represents

21:12 Taurus, and so Taurus in its negative sense is possessions finances sexual lust things of that nature. And this relates to the Moses allegory of the golden calf in the esoteric world Moses condemning the Israelites for worshipping the golden calf means that Israelites worshiped a demi-urch because they don't understand the symbols and they're worshipping a false god They're being idolatrous And so Moses is an initiated one trying to reveal the highest God, but they're just profaning it. So that's an allegory for that and then you know profaning these things leads to excessive materialism and all this stuff. And so what's very interesting is that Pope Francis used that allegory when he came over to the West and told us how we're all too greedy

21:58 And he use the golden calf as an example of this story so he was actually using the esoteric context that story. That's what i think is weird here's a bad guy using the occult version of that and, You know, it's just stuff like that. It just weirds me out and Pope Francis I don't want to get into it by fucking can't stand that guy he makes my blood boil when I hear him talk. It's so hypocritical and I just you know III can't even begin to describe how much I despise his role that you see right now. It's this just such self-righteous hypocrisy in my opinion Right on man. So to backtrack just a bit here, we have this idea that the Abrahamic religions are tricking the masses into worshipping this lower being, the demiurge, this creator of the material trap thinking it's the highest god I'm very into that idea

22:50 Then to take it further, we have this Lucifer-Prometheus serpent in the garden archetype who they have demonized but is actually trying to help us, elevate us and enlighten us into a higher understanding despite the Demiurge's wishes that we remain ignorant and loyal. Now, with that said if we fold in the symbols of the elite like for example a Prometheus statue at Rockefeller Center it seems like quite often the elite are invoking these light bringing humanity freeing Prometheus Lucifer archetypes who sacrifice themselves to give knowledge to humanity.

23:26 But why would they do that? Do they see themselves as enlighteners, is this some facade they hide behind. Are we misjudging the characters because their methods and actions don't really seem to line up with the mythological archetypes they promote you know Oh, I hear you man. This is what i call the sphinx of the mysteries right here They use that term a lot but why do they seem to feel like they are righteous and doing us a favor in their literature? But we see all this awful shit happening and You know this is very complex but i'll try to give some perspective here from what i've seen in the research when i read some of Crowley's writings on alchemy

24:09 he talks a lot about in the process of white magic, part of the alchemist's goal or their joy is taking the most profane elements and turning them into godhead. And bringing them to the state of the quote black dragon you know basically poisoning the material and then the further in the material push it the greater the triumph rising out of that You know, if all of this cult stuff are allegories for human consciousness then could that be applied to the profane masses that we're being poisoned deliberately to bring us to a moment of enlightenment? And this is why I use the movie The Game a lot and Fight Club as well in relation to this because if you think about the movie... Have you seen the movie The Game

25:02 No, I just heard you talk about it in your videos. Well, I definitely suggest watching it's a David Fincher film he also directed Fight Club so the idea is that Michael Douglas is this bigwig millionaire guy and He's kind of depressed and you know, he's basically Trapped in the material world And there's this whole initiation process that goes through it where he stops caring about material things through this game he comes out enlightened and now he just wants to meet the wizard behind the curtain as he says. He doesn't care about the money that he thinks he lost, and so there's this whole setup that makes him think that all these people are attacking him And there's all this awful stuff But it's just this way to foster enlightenment and this has to do with alchemy To me There is like these exoteric and esoteric versions of it but one of them for the Exoteric seems to be

25:58 They seem to think that if you're in your greatest mode of darkness... You will out of sheer emotion bite into spiritual gold based off a pure instinct and that is like this way to foster enlightenment. In Fight Club where he's burning Edward Norton's hand with the lie, that's like dissolving the body, like baphomet dissolve and coagulate so you're dissolving the material this is symbolic yeah And he's like this is your greatest moment of enlightenment man! And you just want to be off somewhere else and to me This is revealed through a lot of Hollywood movies where a lot of people are descending into darkness and then there's these moments that were supposed to be Illuminatory, and then they come out of that And I just wonder if that is part of what they're doing because there's all of this profane materialistic stuff pumping out of Hollywood But then there's all these esoteric things like through The Matrix in the game and stuff like that That are kind of

26:53 contradictory to that. So it's just very weird that I just wonder if this is part of their plan and their knowledge of alchemy, and what they're doing. And their goal is in their minds universal philanthropy, and freeing us from the confines of the world with a demi urge or at least what they project it to be you know, the government all things the archons represent fear anxiety whatever everything that's of Saturn in the negative sense. You know, I can resonate with a lot of those things which is weird but the way it's being implemented. It's just like this is fucked up you know? Yeah so it's kind of like this is the way I look at it sometimes. If you take a word right like freedom everybody listens to the word freedom and is like yes! Freedom that's good but everybody has a different definition of how that is implemented

27:46 And so that's how they get us with 9-11. Oh, we're going to go fight those terrorists for freedom! So everybody is so caught up on the macro they don't see that the details aren't really matching up to what freedom is but that's how you kind of blind people and this is what I just wonder... You know? The ideas of these things they sound nice and lofty and true but the way they're being implemented that's where people really start to decide, well is this real or not? Is this good or not you know. And I think that that's kind of... You can have the mindset of being self-righteous or altruistic but how is that being implemented and just to give a quick example think about like The Social Justice Warrior they're fighting for all of the things that I agree with but the way they implement it and then I'm being stereotypical here I'm not saying they're all like this but there's a certain faction of extremity

28:39 You know, they want everything to be racist. Any moment a white person and black person interact with each other it must be racist and the white person must be enacting white privilege on them." And I'm just like you're racist! You can't stop thinking about race. You're the one that's racist and you're projecting on everybody else You know, I've had discussions with people like that where I was given hypothetical questions. Like if you saw a white police officer arguing with an African-American person would you use your white privilege to go over there and stop that oppression? Well how do we know it's oppression what if the African American punched somebody in the face for no reason and the guy is arresting him? And how condescending to think he would need you to go over there handle his situation! But the point being is that the person who is telling me this

29:23 I'm like, dude. I have to see the situation and objectively understand if I feel like something bad is happening but in their mindset it had to be oppression and that the righteous thing for me to do was go over there and stop it And I am just like That's not righteous! That's fucked up So what I am saying is The idea of what is righteous Is there But the way its being implemented It's like...I don't think so man You know what I mean? I was basically called a person who is closed minded You know, they of course they're telling me that history proves all these and I'm just like dude you are being so hypocritical right now. I've trying to tell you that you're the one who can't see that and so it becomes this argument that you're never gonna break any ground So he just had to step away from but at the same time that kind of shows how these ideas and concepts Of good sounding things being implemented

30:15 That's where it gets fuzzy, or the details manifest. It does get a little strange and I mean to use another example based on the elite we have these campaigns that on the surface look like international philanthropy but then it seems to be a Trojan horse for eugenics programs and other manipulative things so Yeah, it is tough to get a good read on it. But I did bring up to you the hidden hand saga where a supposed representative of the elite came to answer questions on a forum A few years ago. I thought this was super intriguing and ultimately this hidden hand person said that the elite are in positions of power and control And suppressing the masses as a type of altruistic sacrifice to facilitate true will for the people a sort of

31:03 Maybe a justification for their actions? To which the Hidden Hand said that certain families agreed to fill the roles on a cosmic level well before they manifested here. Almost sounding like they agreed to play the role of Archons, to some degree but... It's weird. Does that jibe at all with your understanding of things? Dude, I am so glad you mentioned that to me because I went and read that last night and I was kind of blown away because I felt like I was reading verbatim a lot of the stuff that I've been reading with Blavatsky and some of the other writers not in every instance but enough of it where I was just like oh my god! And whether or not that's legitimate or not...I view it kind of like Albert Pike's World War III letter

31:44 I don't know if that's real or not, but it is kind of strange that that's exactly what's happening. You know? And so... That kind of blew me away! I read through a lot of that you know? That to me makes a lot of sense as to their viewpoint now that begs the question are they right? Right and i'm one of those people where I don't think so I think they're on an ego trip. That's my personal opinion, if somebody disagrees with that that's totally fine i can understand that but that's something you've mentioned like it can seem in my work that I'm an elite apologist when I am absolutely not but I'm trying to be objective when something might not be as nefarious as people make it out to be and thats why I like Alistair Crowley perfect example looking at the Christian side of it they all want to think he ate babies or something

32:38 You know and I'm like okay, let me read his writing all of that child sacrifice stuff was just symbolic you know he's very cryptic and kind of sarcastic and You know likes to being clever and probably likes fucking with people's heads So mm-hmm. I would think that from the mindset of Crowley if he viewed Christians as thinking He actually literally sacrificed babies. He would think that he had done his job because that's amusing to him It's like that so far from the truth That it's just hilarious that these people would think that I feel like they find these things amusing that people jump to a lot of these insane conclusions about certain things. But again, this inevitably leads to the dark occult stuff and the pedophilia things and what that really could mean. And that's something I don't really want to get into right here but i tend to be in the middle with that somewhere where

33:30 There's, you know, legitimacy to those things and also maybe an element of fabrication as well. It just depends and I think there are a lot different ways to view it but I sort of land in the middle of it but I don't know for sure so I'm not going to tell you that stuff is real or it's not. I just think it's a lot more complex than a lot people make out to be. Fair points! So sometimes I have guests who talk about the founding of America from the perspective of these adept occultists that they were actually like trying to magic their way into a new era with this New Atlantis, New World concept. Of course Freemasons were a heavy influence on America's founding and in that sliver of time I can see it being an attempt at a noble act but outside of that example i'm not sure I see a moral alignment between some of their

34:21 I guess religion and their actions. It's hard to know because again, we have groups within groups games within games But what do you think of that era in the attempt to start a new Atlantis New World concept? Do you think that was them trying to create a haven for enlightenment on a new Atlantis to a degree Yeah, I think that's the mindset of them just based on what I read and then my Elaine Pagel's video I make the connection that she's talking about the demiurge and how that represents false authority, and monarchy and things like that. The false crown right? And so the initiates declare their independence from that force and that is the celebration of freedom. So what I think is very strange is that to me is the esoteric version of the Declaration of Independence and what we celebrate in the Fourth of July

35:18 But ironically, it's all about their religion. So you're not really free from religion but they view their religion as being freedom And so I just think from that perspective, that's what I would gather. Now whether or not that was what happened? I don't know but i'm just applying the literature to the symbology that we see and I think the holiday stuff is very strange too. I think there's an esoteric exoteric component to a lot of the holidays yeah and you know it's just very interesting how That idea like perfect example The Freedom Tower right

35:55 we had the twin pillars of polarity that were separated and then in 9-11 they disappeared and merged into one And freedom right freedom from what if the duality of the pillars represents the demi urge and their version to one pillar representing unity which is basically there whole philosophy. The highest essence of dd is a perfect union of the opposites, Is that an allegory for them and their unity of consciousness or at least what they think their unity is? And then our version is, oh we're free from them terrorists who attacked us. You know what I mean it's just sort of like

36:38 Using the literature that makes sense to me as how they would view it now whether or not that's actually how they view it I don't know but you know, You can make the applications all over the place once you understand their system. Right and I do actually love your 9-11 ritual analysis It's pretty interesting and just like you pointed out I can understand this idea of collapsing the dualistic structure and building a single freedom tower. I get the concept, replacing profane dualism, Saturnian demiurgic stuff with higher level oneness but 9-11 also seems to have been the catalyst for a lot of Saturnian arconic control schemes like The Patriot Act increased surveillance, TSA so how should we think about that piece? Well you could view it in a lot different ways

37:32 One, maybe they're just so delusional and they blame all of those things on us. You know you've probably heard a lot of researchers talk about the law of karma and how maybe they manipulate things to get us to be the ones that make the decision to go to war and somehow they're free of that? Yeah I think there's something to that now whether or not that is reality or just what they think that they're free of, I don't know. But it seems very interesting because they constantly blame war and famine and all these things on us the profane people if you read the literature they just shit on us constantly And so

38:13 This is where I think it's interesting about if you read the New Testament, and these are some things that resonate with from the more orthodox side. Where I view reading stuff from Jesus as just literature like i'm reading crime and punishment or something now that's the most blasphemous thing you can say in Orthodox religion but I don't care that's just how I view it so I just like to separate what makes sense to me or not and the woes of the Pharisee's I think are very interesting because They say that they lay heavy burdens upon men's shoulders, but they don't lift the finger themselves. So basically they just project everything onto the people and act like their self-righteous so I wonder if maybe some of us what's going on? I'm not sure but what is interesting

38:54 Is that you know 9-11 what happened after they told us that oh we need to go out and buy stuff. That will show those terrorists materialism Saturnian shit yeah exactly so here's the interesting thing if you apply the alchemical ideology of pushing the profane people further into darkness and that is beneficial to the elites to use in alchemy. It's almost like they are like the Archons where they feed off of negative energy, but I think that way that they're using it is a lot different than most people do so you know... They let all of the exoteric people- That was one thing when 911 happened and I couldn't believe my eyes! They were selling freedom pins on QVC and people writing songs making less money. And i'm just like oh my god what the fuck?

39:42 We're going to war the next day. Like it was very strange to me, but at that time my life You know I'm like okay everything's fucked whatever I'll move on with my life But all those things are just I was just completely blown away by that but what's very interesting is That if that is a ritual in some fucked-up way To foster enlightenment It's kind of weird because I started realizing all this material stuff that's happening is really awful so So it actually worked on me and I hate saying that, you know what i mean? 9-11 woke me up. Right! It makes you realize that there was this awful materialistic element so I agree with that. I'm not really a very materialistic person but I am not one of these people who's like

40:26 sell all your possession and go live in the woods. I try to be balanced about it, but it's really strange and what happened on 9-11 – you've had a guest on talking about the astrology of it and I'm going to do a series on 9-11 later on when I have time but basically Saturn was in Gemini so Saturn, the demiurge between two pillars of duality and it was having a return. So when they opened the World Trade Center, it was almost in the exact same spot. I think it was like 14 or 15 degrees Gemini And the opposition is Pluto. Now in tarot, Pluto is like the Holy Spirit—it's the Sheen Flame, the Divine Fire…you know it's so divine that it breaks down all the material structures because that's the essence of the all-consuming deity and so that's what Pluto represents now people think oh Pluto Hades underworld I think that's exoteric in terms of the astrology of it. I think the outer planets Uranus Neptune and Pluto are seen as more divine and non-dualistic

41:21 And then once you get into Saturn and into the inner planets, that's where duality happens based on what I've learned. But Pluto was the opposition and so that's like the divine fire that breaks down material form And you know, the divine jet fuel fire that broke down all the material form of the World Trade Center. You know I don't either sometimes I wonder if that's just an allegory for an astrological alignment but either way That's very strange and then Another part of my video, it's 6.1, video 6.1 on the celestial sphere they had the sphere in between the two pillars which is basically what Atlas holds up like at Rockefeller Center right and so that was cracked or broken and that's part of the whole Big Bang theory and breaking the Orphic egg And that spiritual achievement or The Phoenix rising out of the ashes

42:14 you know, the initiate learning of the highest God and everything that's represented in the Lovers card breaking that celestial sphere is cracking that. So how strange that cracked during that event and then they moved it to Battery Park and lit an eternal flame just like they did for JFK? The eternal flame Sheen Flame spark of Prometheus I don't know but it's weird how Rockefellers have Prometheus and Atlas And then they are the ones that, you know basically built the twin towers and they had this sphere in between them that cracked. It's just weird shit man. Yeah they're invoking some weird philosophy but it is such an interesting and albeit thorny perspective but you are right that I guess i could say to a degree that I lived in ignorance before 9-11 and that really was a pivotal awakening moment

43:07 And you could also tie in the very fringe and far out idea that nobody really dies at these false flags, that nobody really died at 9-11. That those planes were empty and there's even some people who say that the building has only a couple of floors, large parts of those buildings were empty. I mean this is just a really far out idea that some people say but If that turned out to be true, you could then say oh well this trauma is kind of illusionary to wake people up. It's very weird but I wanted to point out also in your videos

43:44 I find it really interesting your analysis of that black cube symbol. Of course, it's a Saturnian symbol A lot of people look at those cubes and say oh see they're Saturn worshipers But the way you talk about it is they're not worshipping it when they put it at the base of the Freedom Tower They're symbolically Overcoming it or being above it or in Mecca. There's that black cube, but it has the gold trim the gold strip They're trying to alchemically elevate this attorney and symbol I guess from their perspective right yeah And that's all very interesting stuff you said and I guess we could go down the 9-11 road why not? Fuck it

44:21 Basically, the whole idea about no planes and nobody dying. That's very interesting to me I don't make definitive conclusions. I'm not going to tell you that nobody died or that... Right we'll never know We'll never really know But those perspectives are very interesting in relation to this so You could always say maybe they tried to do that but it didn't work First of all there were some weird numbers going on there What is very interesting is Flight 93 descended into matter and basically obliterated, you can't find it. That's the Thalamic number right? Right! And so if 93 is the divine will that's the will of deity

45:01 It comes from, Thy will be done in the New Testament. That's the Greek word for it and so that's why it's seen as the essence of God above the demiurge because in occultism Jesus Christ is teaching about the highest father and Orthodox Christians make a mistake that he's teaching about the Old Testament god in the revealed sense. He's teaching about the concealed one—that's the viewpoint So Jesus is extremely important to occultism as much as Orthodox Christians are sometimes confused on that. But point being, if this is all about this divine entity sacrificing itself going into the material world and it's United 93 right? It's like the unified deity

45:45 descending into matter, but it just kind of obliterates. There's no trace of it and what happened was I think in the movie poster I was reading all these people unified into one to fight whatever and this is their great sacrifice so I'm like wait a second you know, on the UN website Lucifer solar angelic entity of the sun of the highest will and that's descending into matter as a great sacrifice. I just wonder if the 93 flight symbolically was representative of that and Pluto if that's the divine fire

46:20 enacting and obliterating the World Trade Center, it's very strange how well they collaborate. And to bring it to the Black Cube...and this is all stuff that I'm going to integrate into the 9-11 series when I get to it. I have some things already set up for it but with The Black Cube we have in Mecca you know? It's a black cube with some gold around it. I'm a fan of the band Tool if you heard this on The Grudge. Saturn ascends choose one or ten so are you gonna choose the black or the gold And they're separated, they're dualistic. Right? But that's the part of alchemy or unifying it into one. So if they're using a profane doctrine like Abrahamic Islam to attack and then what happens as a result is these two inverted cubes where the pillars were into the earth

47:08 It's kind of like obliterating a profane doctrine and then unifying it into one with the true esoteric doctrine of the Monad or whatever. And that's this weird thing with it, that Saturn is associated with fear anxiety and terror and stuff like that so if they think that Islam worships the demiurge then they use that archetype in their ritual And there you go. They have to use these profane things in these alchemical acts because that's the whole nature of it, you're unifying Godhead to the profane so in the astrological alignment your unifying Pluto which Crowley associates with Kater and Kabbalah which is the highest sphere I think that's correct and So if Saturn is whatever the demiurge the shit god You're unifying those with that opposition

47:59 and you're bringing it together into one. And so the astrology just tells the story, you know? Yeah! It is definitely deep and another thing I wanted to talk about while we're on this dualism versus oneness set of worldviews... To switch gears a little bit, I like how the flat earth-globe earth paradigms tie into this occult philosophy dichotomy Can you elaborate on that? Yeah, sure. On the godly globe in the profane plane I think it's video four basically that's the meaning of the compass and square and again i say this as symbolically all these things represent similar themes of consciousness so all the things that are deemed as profane and what i mean by profane is the separateness so you can be a good

48:51 nice person on one hand, but then you have a dark side. So that's like the shadow of the light and its manifested side and you got to try to get rid of that shadow and unify it into one And that is what eliminates sorrow and suffering That's kind of like the philosophy behind it so The nature of man or earth Is profane That's the shadow If we have the demiurge creator archetype creates out of this false ego and separates itself, then that shadow will be cast onto Earth. So that means the Earth will be dualistic because it was created by a dualistic intent or God or consciousness right? And so Albert Pike talks about how the first and last lesson of Freemasonry like The Alpha and The Omega

49:40 are what the compass and square represent. He says that the square represents plain geometry, which is profane so you know of squares and cubes and stuff like that and the cube represents earth And then juxtaposed to the spherical trigonometry which is divine of the compass of the heavens So unifying a flat earth model to a globe earth model would be the same thing as 9-11. You're just performing alchemy, you're applying divinity to something profane and unifying it and I think that's very strange because that's symbolic so this is where the flat earthers might argue well are they just making this symbolic? And if they think the material world is an illusion

50:24 and all is consciousness, then all that matters is what people believe about it. Wouldn't that just be symbolic to them? And that would be a motivation for faking it now. That's something that would lend to that argument or you could say on the other side maybe the above science is as below and they know that and that's just reflected Or there are a lot of different ways you could take that but it is very interesting I just like to assign the lover's card to the compass or this sphere and the devil card to the square because metaphysically as a mode of consciousness, that's what it represents. And this is what so strange is because all of this conflict that's risen from this flat earth argument

51:07 is polarizing things. So I just wonder if that's being used for some sort of alchemy down the road, i don't know but it's very strange how they need to polarize things to unify and that's what the hidden hand dude said yeah that that's the nature of everything that they do and i'm just like when i read that i'm like oh my fucking god are you serious? Is that- sorry if i swear no it's cool we're adults It was just, everything I've been reading was just kind of reaffirmed there. And there's this quote in 1984, I believe it's like you know that the best books are the ones that reaffirm what you already know something to that effect and That's what I think I like it's like when I have these thoughts about things and then Something sort of reaffirms that it just gives me comfort that okay? I'm not that crazy somebody else has thought at this You don't mean so right that's kind of why I liked that quote So I think they're kind of applies to this

52:00 Yeah, man. I actually thought that was super interesting the stuff about the Freemasonic square and compass and the square measuring things on a 2D flat plane in the compass being used to measure circles are representing these spherical view It's just so amazing. I think that nexus is really fascinating and we have to remember how old this philosophy or occult religion really is because, what I'm taking away from this is that the Demiurge rules this material world prison planet illusion and because it's on illusion its structured to look Flat with us in the middle as you know it's perfect to fuel the ego because if nobody told you anything. It would feel like you are in the center of the universe and that's part of the trick this would be like the most base level 5 cents understanding and

52:49 one that the masses probably had for a long time. But the point is, I guess there's been this secret tradition among the elites where they've looked deeper seen through the Demiurgic illusion and behind closed doors going back who knows how long? The elite have known the truth and didn't share it with the profane masses. Is that the idea? Is that one perspective? Yeah! And maybe I can offer another one in connection with that So, if these mystery traditions believe that they have the truth and that this world is an illusion. They're kind of shaping it how they believe it to be true right through human consciousness and stuff like that in our awareness

53:34 And so the question is with the demiurge and everything that we talk about with shedding the ego, oh this is what I want to talk about okay. Shedding the ego right? This is something I completely resonate with in Gnosticism where you want to get rid of the things that are your own egoic will holding you in the way from understanding things. This is something that's related to my life many times, you know? When I finally been like okay maybe i was wrong about this and I was an idiot for thinking so all of a sudden all these things open up to you that answer questions that you never really knew before...I resonate with that a lot but this kind of gets back to the idea

54:20 You know, like I said freedom is a word. How is that implemented? So shedding your ego That is a concept but how is that implemented because what I think is very interesting about a lot of this esoteric stuff It comes across as really arrogant sometimes Yeah, very condescending are you really shedding your ego? Is that what you think you're doing But you can still learn from all of this literature in a very profound way. And this is what I think is another perspective, I'd like to add—I'm not saying that this is the way it is or anything like that but just something to consider—is what if the elites are all of the attributes of what Demiurge is and Gnosticism but they are actually the duplication and their god they think as The One is actually The Copy?

55:11 And that the way all this implements, that a lot of people who are into Gnosticism resonates with. There's actually a force above that is letting all of this happen for a divine reason in the end. Now here's what I think is interesting. What if that force is actually the creator or the material world? And this force that thinks that it's the highest creator, the grand architect or whatever is actually the projection of its own ego. Maybe that bashing is just that forces projection of that. So for example, say there's some guy who I don't like and I just go up to somebody and be like hey you know that guy he's a child molester yep totally i know it i saw it happen i could have made that up completely but the perception from that person i told

56:06 that will be tainted of that person big time. So what if they have slandered the creator of the material world through all the exoteric religions and made it seem so crazy, but that is the candy, the straw man to bring people into their mystery religion? To exalt the actual duplication. See what I'm saying? So this is why i resonate with the orthodox version of Lucifer just in a mode of consciousness, not taking anything literally here—I'm not saying it's an actual winged angel or anything but just an intelligence that was created as the most divine beautiful charming charismatic entity but it was corrupted by that thinking it should be the highest god

56:49 And so there is this idea that, that entity fooled a bunch of people into following it. And what if what we're in right now is this entities chance to prove itself and all it does when it fucks up? Is it blame at all on all these profane people but we are able to witness this and We can derive truth from the reflection and since it's so close To the top source It's like anything that is great in quality and everything, but they use all of those amazing qualities for their own ego. But they want to trick you into thinking that they're helping you like for example

57:30 you know, somebody sees somebody coming at them with a baseball bat and really angry at them. You know okay this guy is out to get me I'm going to run away that's bad right? But if somebody comes up to you with flowers and like hey how are you doing but they have a knife behind their back and they won't give you the knife until you actually act in a way that they don't want you to then you just think that they're your friend. And so maybe that is the essence of what the elites are actually following but all in a lot of Gnostic philosophy are applicable and actually profound. It's giving us a blueprint, but maybe the script is completely flipped you know what I mean? And so

58:10 I think that's one thing that maybe at least like the flatter side of it, a lot of those people are coming to this understanding like oh maybe there is a creator and you know they're kind of enamored with that. And maybe that's kind of one of those things that just that mode of consciousness is upsetting the powers-that-be despite what the shape of the earth actually is. I'm not arguing for it but Maybe it's the modality of consciousness that's making them angry about that because that represents the square to them. So, that to me is another perspective that kind of takes it to a different level about all this but whether or not that's truth I don't know. I'm just saying that that's a different way to look at it. Exactly and that's what I love! I love trying on different hats and looking at things in different ways and it comes down to after you absorb all this material who do you trust? Which level of the elevator do you get off on like

58:57 You could pick whatever and that's why I don't really pick a side because i think there is so much manipulation in this stuff, it's so ancient. And its just tough because everybody is demonizing their enemies and trying to... influence the profane masses, which I guess i'm a part of unfortunately. And uh... I am proud of it! Amen So it is really hard to get a handle on and I do think that's why we see a resurgence of the flat earth idea because now the profane masses think the earth is round and the organizations that have been exploring heliocentrism The Big Bang in the infinite universe have these like freemasonic Vatican ties in the beginning so the reaction is okay that must be the illusion

59:39 But it does beg the question, if the Flat Earth understanding was originally for the profane masses how did this I guess secret this higher understanding of the Globe Earth ever become the standard? Why would they do that why would they let that happen. Yeah and you know that really just plays into the idea that what is reality you know is it the material world or is it the perception of it and this is where I think the Flat Earth debate Where I'm with it is that, I really am fascinated with the psychological reactions or levels of awareness and things that are coming out of people from a metaphysical level psychologically. That's what so crazy about it to me where I don't really actually care either way but maybe that is

1:00:30 More of the nature of the reality is people's perceptions of things. So it's like this enigma you kind of circle back to Well, is this the material world reality or is this just people's perception and his perception really all that matters? You know And that's where it's like, you know I don't want to get overly philosophical and stuff like that But it's so hard to make a definitive statement on any of that stuff from my perspective and I think when you do That leads you into a polarity. And now all of the sudden, you have people that to me coming from the negative aspects of the Flat Earth camp I think Jaronism... You've probably heard him right? He did this thing with Max Egan and Max Egan was providing evidence for these flights

1:01:14 And people in the comments are saying, oh Max Egan is part of a green screen. He's not even at this airport I'm like what the fuck is wrong with you? Like are you serious because they want to believe so badly In The Flat Earth that when some evidence as minute as it might be contradicts that They're willing to take it to the level that Max Egan is creating a CGI to fool them I'm just like are you insane? I'm sorry And that's the thing, that's the negative side. That's the extreme polarity of the flat earth side that I see And so that's what concerns me. It's that this polarization is the fuel for the people running this, so... That's why I just—that's what I'm trying to do with this series is saying that this is all more shades of gray than black and white than people think it is and if you take it to the extremes, you're actually fueling energy for the elites to manipulate and I think at least we can all agree on some level

1:02:13 That elites are good now people might take the level of the hidden hand okay they are doing something good for us and we just don't understand it i don't personally think that most truth is probably don't take that viewpoint so what i'm saying is okay. What we do know from their writings and apparently what they self-professed to us on Above Top Secret, if that's legit is that they use these polarities. So let's not give them that." That's basically what I would answer with. Amen! And kind of on the same tip there is also a Kabbalistic connection or an underlying basis for why the prevailing theory about the Earth's core

1:02:55 is that it's iron, you know kind of like the way they took their esoteric philosophy and put out the Big Bang Theory as kind of a version of it. That's kind of where the idea that the Earth's core is iron comes from right or at least it jives really well with their Kabbalistic viewpoint Yeah, yeah. The iron core thing is weird I was gonna just do something very briefly on that and then I looked into it a little bit more And I'm like hmm this is very interesting because in alchemy you know each of the planets is assigned to metal and so Mars is iron and This is in the nature of the malefics of astrology and You know this might be a little complex for some people who might not be familiar with this but if you go to I think its video 5.1

1:03:41 Basically, on the Tree of Life which I'm sure everybody's familiar with in Kabbalah you have the spheres on the left pillar which is the dark pillar. That's the shadow pillar that you're trying to kind of purge and unify with the other side. You have Saturn and Mars and those are the malefics of astrology and so they work together in harmony in this dark way. So the Devil Tarot card is the card for Capricorn, and Capricorn is ruled by Saturn. And that is like the winter solstice you know? The greatest point of darkness all these things...and so that is a sign that exalts Mars it allows its highest expression. If Mars is like this

1:04:20 force, but in its negative sense that's the duality of the demiurge. The destructive irrational nature of Jehovah – that's that mode of consciousness – that works with Saturn because that's the essence of the demiurge. They're kind of like these are different aspects of it right? So those are kinda unified where gravity is associated with the demiurge and Saturn pulling you towards materiality right and Capricorn is one of these materialistic signs I'm a Capricorn, so apparently I'm profane. So it's pulling you to the center and then Mars is the force that has allowed its highest expression through that Saturnian-Capricorn energy

1:05:01 And so that is what is working with it. So having the iron core fits the nature of Kabbalah and how they view Earth being, Earth is profane in its current state. And so everything that's pulling you to the center materiality, the force is the pan-force of Mars and then the one above that on the tree of life is the false crown sort of speak. It's weird because it's almost like Well, they've either modeled all these things off of their religion or there is some truth to that and it corresponds. But you could also say that because this is what I think about the heliocentric stuff – say the heliocentric model is correct

1:05:42 What if they are taking credit for that with their idea that they're worshipping the one God and that's just a projection? And they're just trying to say, hey we created all this. So you could take The Globe argument and argue it that way in the level of human perception and say that they're just trying to take credit for the real creator's work – who knows! But right point being is that all these things were told in science Are very very profoundly connected to the esoteric stuff but unless you understand. Some of these fundamentals about them a little bit like that you wouldn't really know that is what i'm just trying to throw out there i don't know why this is the way it is but those connections are there no, yeah man cheers do that i think that is kind of a real aha moment

1:06:28 that people should have because we've analyzed a lot of this stuff through many shows. And, of course, people do their own digging too and they see these weird connections and yeah just like you said there kind of seems to be three possibilities either these are real discoveries that just happen to validate their secret hidden religion that we don't know about so were ignorant of it or two they're just applying their religious ideas to questions that we don't really have the answer for yet, or to get wilder still. They're trying to will these things into existence by making them the dominant worldview firmly planted in the minds of the masses and like you said earlier is perception all that matters? That is kind of where we're going with this right I mean it's so interesting

1:07:16 I mean, it's like David Icke says the perception deception. Yeah and you know i think some of his comments on the flat earth have been in this nature where he's like well what does it really matter because of the perception of it? And it's weird because some people will criticize him for that but i have a part of me that can agree with that but i have a part of me that still is Well, what if our senses don't deceive us? It's really difficult man. I'm so torn between a lot of these things that one day I'll lean and be like dude it's flat this is what they're just lying to us and then another day I'm like dude they're fucking with us. Like I just don't know you know what I mean So that's why I don't like making a decision on it but That's the question for the audience to answer That's what I always say Well there's just a real parallel that I think

1:08:00 people should think about where just like a biblical literalist wants to say Because this is my paradigm the earth is only 6,000 years old or whatever and thus dinosaurs couldn't have existed They just couldn't I don't care if you find bones there couldn't they couldn't be there because this is my paradigm in that same way the elite could be saying well the earth is an iron core because of My religion says it would be because I'm a cabalist. That's exactly the point that I'm trying to get across is that right? You still have to realize that maybe they're fighting for their own religion, I don't know but that's the point I'm trying to make and that's what I kind of appeal in the beginning two people who might Be you know if anybody happens to be in The Matrix And they're just pissed off at the flat earthers and they happen to stumble upon my video I try to make it at least somewhat appealing to them in the beginning right and say that you know maybe

1:08:52 Everything that you've been taught from Neil deGrasse Tyson and whatever all those people is the mystery religion So you're being taught a religion yet. You hate religion Isn't that a concern to you? Isn't that a red flag at least to address, you know, yeah God man, that's great But back to what you said, this is something I haven't…I still have a ways to go in the series. I'm probably halfway or two-thirds way through but one thing I want to touch upon is about energy sources and what's interesting is this relates to astrology where you have the positive negative sides of the zodiac so the positive would basically be like the compass they come from the deity the negative comes from earth and so that the reason you might have a negative quality is that's a potential to kind

1:09:36 Purge the bad things about it and use it to advantage. So for example, like I said, I'm a Capricorn so instinctively I'm supposed to be more pessimistic and materialistic and whatever but the positive qualities is that you're Supposed to you know Be good at working hard and have a good work ethic And have a drive right? So if you use those drives for negative things like pursuing the corporate ladder Oh, I want to use all of my energy in hard work to get a yacht then that's profaning it But you have the divine spark, but it's buried. So you have to climb out of that and if you pursue more spiritual things that will create better things in your life and that's something I can resonate with, but the point being is that is a negative quality from the start so this gets into energy sources right? And we're taught fossil fuels right dinosaur fuels like Tyrannosaurus Rex the tyrant king of the demiurge That's where it comes from That's black goo oil of Saturn

1:10:31 Those are all terrible fuels that pollute everything and coal and stuff like that. And then we have hydropower, which people say is better but not very efficient and still causes environmental destruction And then we have illuminated sources of the positive, of the air, of the solar. Because the fire sign obviously is associated with the solar energy which is positive and the air sign is a positive sign as well so we have wind energy and solar energy that's associated with the positive signs of the zodiac So we're being told that all these earthly fuels are profane and all these positive energy sources are divine

1:11:10 And so some people argue, well fossil fuels don't even exist and they're very plentiful. So that's a lot of the people on the flat earth side will probably argue that way because Eric Debay I think did a whole documentary on dinosaurs not existing in there like you know fossil fuels not being what they think they are and nukes being a hoax all that shit. That's something for anybody to decide their own. I'm not giving an opinion on those things but The fact remains is those esoteric archetypes and modalities are interwoven into our energy sources. I'm just like, man that's so weird! Yeah it is man and maybe that's why they've fought for oil and kind of basically shoehorned us into just that one energy source you could say coal also black these uh weird black Saturnian things? I don't know... It is really interesting though

1:12:02 Well, man. I love this! I could do it all day and i definitely find these ideas provocative and I love trying to wrap my head around new angles so...I really appreciate you bringing all of this to the table. I think its damn near criminal that you don't have more views and subscribers on this YouTube channel Of course there will be links in the show notes but anyone interested should definitely go through it. I think its deeper and more informative than a lot of paid classes on the same kind of stuff So great job man Well, thank you and I appreciate it. And one thing I'd like to mention is that in my videos, I have a link that goes to Dropboxes that has all the references for everything I talk about and anything I talk about in the video that I don't provide a reference for on the screen is probably in the references link so I want to be able to source everything as transparently as possible. It's like this is where I'm drawing from and check it out for yourself

1:12:56 If you come to different conclusions on what Blavatsky says here or there, that's fine. But I'm just trying to be open about it so people can make up their own minds about it. Mm-hmm. And I think that's great! I do have a lot of people who come to me and, I ask them you know what do you get out of THC or why do you like it? and they like this show because they consider it a crash course in a lot of these really deep topics and theories that they just don't really have time To get into at that serious depth then I think that that's what's great about your series is A lot of this material is intimidating because it is so expansive and each individual author you go into has like 10 books, so it could be pretty tough. And you provide...

1:13:38 a kind of crash course, I would say even. Um...I think that's selling it short. It is little more in depth than that but you really do kind of fill that role of introducing people to lot of deep stuff and giving them the context exactly where it came from kinda cliff notes too a lot of really deep and complex stuff so its great and before we go up there any other contact information or follow-up information? That the people should get before we get out here Not really. What you see is what you get on the YouTube, I am backing stuff up on Vimeo. I don't really like it there because they only allow you to upload stuff in increments and I'm not going to pay tons of money for it because I already paid enough money for a lot these books and if anything I would offer is definitely... If you want to go more depth than these things on your own

1:14:31 Buy some of the books that I'm sourcing from and read it for yourself because it would be helpful if more people looked at this stuff and maybe could make other applications, I have my own strengths and weaknesses, and you know, I can only give out so much. So if people really want to look more into that, I really encourage people to look at it for themselves but I think the most fundamental thing is to think about what is the esoteric and exoteric version from their viewpoint? Always try to look at it from their viewpoint and then think well what is my viewpoint? You know what I mean? And I think that will help people

1:15:07 and their interactions with other people, and maybe alleviate some of the tension that happens from some of these misconceptions about what all these folks believe. Cheers to that! And man your recall and synthesis is just super impressive to my simple stoner mind but damn deepest show in a while I'd have to say. So interesting stuff thanks for being here man hopefully we can do it again sometime Yeah, anytime something catches your interest give me a shout. I usually have pretty good availability and i just appreciate the opportunity and thank you! I've always enjoyed your demeanor and your intros... And your objectivity. I think that you're one of my

1:15:55 favorite, this is not being like a brown noser. I'm being honest like I really enjoy your level of being able to play devil's advocate on things because I think that's important and that's kind of what I'm trying to do here in a way that's just presenting different viewpoints and that's one of the reasons why I think that I resonate so much with your general vibe and personality and I'm just happy to have been a part of this. Ha, too kind man. But some of those other hosts out there they set the bar pretty low so can't take too much credit but I appreciate it and keep fighting the good fight. All right thanks a lot Greg

1:16:33 Michael Joseph, ladies and gentlemen. I hope you liked this one because i actually think it's a home run even though there is a lot of speculation and that kind of well you could look at it this way or if you're looking at that way kinda thing...I still really enjoy it! And I do urge you all to check out Michael's YouTube channel Schism206 SCHISM206. He's got so much material, it's very fascinating and the guy has less than 500 subscribers and we can fix that! I'm also super impressed with just how much he's absorbed and digested in such a short period of time. I'm surprised that this hasn't been like a lifelong study because the Boston bombing wasn't all that long ago or did he say Sandy Hook? I think it was Boston but both are pretty fairly recent rabbit hole starting points

1:17:24 What I like most about this episode is that ever since Crow and Eric Debay, those early shows where we really stretch these ideas of how different our construct could really be. And then NASA's role in perpetuating their deception, there has been a lot of talk around that nexus of science and occult beliefs. Symbolism and names in NASA missions invoking mythology etc all that stuff but we were kind of fumbling around in the dark obviously there is something there to talk about We see some things that give us pause but it was pretty clunky if that makes sense

1:18:02 I just think this conversation with Michael smooths out at least some of the wrinkles in there and it's a more measured and nuanced look at what this is rather than a dramatic, paranoid reactionary they're all Satanists type of talk. Between the moon landing stuff, Neil deGrasse Tyson stuff, and Earth's iron core stuff... A lot clicked for me here It's like i knew they were making some things up, I knew it had to do with their beliefs But I guess, I just feel that I can articulate what they may be trying to do a bit better now. I think it goes along way towards rectifying this idea of secret societies and Freemasons invoking Lucifer... This Lightbringer character talking about enlightenment and the evolution of mankind And then rectifying that with their negative actions Maybe

1:18:54 I could see this conversation being so objective that it's damn near cold hearted, but it is what it is. It's one of my favorites lately and Michael is a guy that I think I could have on quite a few more times but let me know what you think! critique of myself and the higher side chats and our trustworthiness. I posted it on Facebook and Twitter, you can find it there. I actually like it quite a bit for a couple reasons but a common thing that gets brought up is why do I use Freemasonic symbolism? I'm probably a secret Freemason

1:19:34 And the show is suspiciously good for one lone stoner in San Diego. I think that's quite a badge of honor, but I'm definitely not a Freemason. I really am just an independent interested party But if I need to explain why that symbolism makes it into the Hireside Chat's marketing images, it's because I want someone to know exactly what kind of show it is when they haven't heard of it before. If they only see the logo we can go back to the old logo of the microphone and the eye with the squid tentacles We got yeah a Freemasonic square-and-compass in there A UFO...a police baton Money

1:20:19 and a swinging hypnotist pocket watch. These are just conspiratorial symbols in general, and I'm in no way more associated with Freemasons than I am UFOs they're both in the image I then thought a little bit deeper and was like, well you know if someone Was really skeptical about me and like followed me around And looked at my car It probably wouldn't look good that i do have A freemasonic square and compass on My vehicle The reason for that is I bought it off Amazon For two dollars as an experiment To see if it would help me with police interactions

1:21:02 I have to say, I have not been pulled over since i put that on my car. My fiance has not been pulled over since we've put one on her car and I thought that if by chance one of us did get pulled over and it was referenced by the police officer all you would have to say is oh you know my dad put that on the window Didn't really say much about it, but that's his deal. And it might work! It might actually get me out of some kind of ticket without having to know the secret handshake or anything like that so there isn't much of a point to that tangent just that is a common criticism and I seem to use Freemasonic imagery but I consider it conspiratorial imagery

1:23:56 Also, Michael Joseph gave me one of his own songs to play out this episode of THC. It's a sample from an album he is going to be releasing in the future The song is called Johnny North Do Enjoy it and I declare this meeting of the Midnight Society officially closed And I'll see you next time Your move adept occultist of the power pyramid and high priest of private religion behind the curtain You're fucking Listen to the mission of Johnny, no submission He did not solve his self And he was a villain who justified his killing With a scientific method For cutting off the tissue growing They would give him a sign from up above Showing his brain a gravestone Your father's daughter is having his child Believe me it's a sin if cells are innocent As long as they are Christian and white

1:25:10 Take your weapons away, Johnny North, love or gun I will send my hatred Lord Your ambition born souls Kill them Listen to the mission of Johnny North's ambition He didn't have a soul to sell Man he was a villain who justified his killing With a scientific method for health and tissue growing on the mind

1:26:02 I'm gonna give him a sign from up above Your father's daughter is having his child Believe me it's a sin, the Sows are innocent As long as they're Christian white Wait for Judgment Day Take your weapons away Johnny North will abort campaign And i will send my hatred your way And with rape your illish unborn souls