Jay Dyer | Cinema Symbolism, Hollywood Psy-Ops, & Predictive Programming

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00:43 What is going on, Hireside Chatters? Drinking a little drink. Smoking a little smoke from sunny San Diego I'm your humble host Greg Carlwood and i think we all love to look at popular culture and try to extrapolate the true meaning in these products of the Hollywood propaganda machine because we've been this long enough to know there's more happening here than harmless entertainment but to what degree into what end are we being groomed as subconsciously accept our enslavement any incoming agendas the global elite Are the breadcrumbs that lead to the discovery of a true secret space program in the transhumanist agenda being left peppered throughout sci-fi and spy thriller films? I don't know, they're curious questions. But it does take a truly dedicated mind to separate wheat from chaff in this realm of Hollywood breakdowns and luckily we have just such a guest to help us navigate this vast sea of secrets emanating from the silver screen

01:31 His name is Jay Dyer and he has a Bachelor's of the Arts in Philosophy as well as being the man behind jaysanalysis.com where he unpacks the dense details of many of the big films and media we see them churning out You can see him take the stage at the Secret Space Program conference in Austin, Texas at the end of the month And I'm really psyched he's here today! Jay my man how the hell are ya? I'm doing rockin' awesome, man. That's cool! Really excited that you're here. You do great work it seems like so many blogs and websites have been cropping up in recent years trying to do these types of breakdowns of symbols and subtext of major films but you definitely seem to cut to more the core and parse out more meaning than most i would say thank you no problem man i guess to start this thing where did you start looking at films as more than just entertainment

02:20 I grew up loving movies. My family promoted the arts, my mom majored in English when she was in college and she was an editor for a long time so I just grew up in the realm of books and lit We've all in America at least pretty much been saturated with Hollywood. We're growing up with movies, so I grew up with all the classics of 80s science fiction and ET and all that Star Wars So then by the time i reached undergrad i decided that

02:59 I wanted to do philosophy and of course a lot of philosophy courses will get you to ask all kinds of out-of-the box questions, which i've always enjoyed doing. That's always just kind of been the dude I am um and by the time I got Grad school, you have a lot more freedom with what you can choose to study and research. So I had the option of choosing grad work in English and philosophy which allowed me to integrate film as well as geopolitics because my undergraduate is also in history so I was able to take a lot of historical research and just tie it all in together And that's always what I've been interested in doing with these subjects is approaching them as an integrative thinker rather than

03:43 some sort of boring specialist who just stares at earthworms all day like those in scientism, in that realm. So what I like to do is you know...I like the idea of a renaissance man. I don't necessarily think that I am one but we've lost that idea from the middle ages and late-middle ages of that kind of guy or person or thinker artist or whatever who can integrate multiple areas of thought art history etc So that's what I did. I said, all right well what's something interesting I can write about? And concurrent with this you know I had a website going for most of undergrad and grad years. I had an old blog that I got rid of started a new one about five years ago

04:27 And that's what you currently see in its present incarnation as jaysanalysis.com and started with the movie stuff, and I did so I started doing it before other certain sites out there to do it. And I like that you caught that, that I tried to take it a little more academic, a little more serious, a little deeper than then the other sort of watered down more tabloidy sites, although I don't mind being a little tabloid here and there. It gets readers you know? So that's what happened. I started working on a masters thesis that was dealt with James Bond and Ian Fleming and how Ian Fleming basically wrote into all the stories all of novels real world black operations and psyops type stuff because he was high level naval psyop officer

05:18 Which most people don't know that and then when you find that out about Ian Fleming, you say oh well That actually makes a lot more sense with what's going on in the Bond novels as well as the films too I should add. So i just thought it would be a great topic for graduate level research this is kind of trendy in academia now because A lot of people don't read The academic papers that are produced, they just kind of go into a vault in the basement of your university and they just sit there. So people have gotten this trend of trying to be more relevant culturally relevant and we're so saturated with pop culture that this is now kind of a norm

05:59 in academia where people are analyzing these kinds of things. And I wasn't averse to that, I thought it would be kind of cool so I wanted to choose something that could tie in philosophy and psychological warfare and history military operations and fiction and pop culture and what better to do than James Bond? Yeah, I think the James Bond information is super interesting. The Ian Fleming stuff...the fact that he was a British naval PSYOPS officer? would be some of his objectives in writing the bond series. What does he get out of, not necessarily him but what is the larger elite community get out of predictive programming and leaving these kinds of breadcrumbs? Well I think if you look at the time setting when he was beginning to do his work this is that close World War II and Fleming was involved in different operations like Operation Mincemeat and operation

06:59 with the operation that involved the Enigma machine, with Alan Turing and all that. Cracking that code so Fleming was kind of floating around in the background a lot of stuff and then certain operations he was directly involved in planning and trying to lure say Rudolf Hess into Scotland through the use of Alistair Crowley So that was kinda Fleming was in the background with that He's using the background other staged situations in military operations where you would have a fake body laid out Disinformation plans laid in the jacket of the soldier for the Germans to find. So when the Germans found a soldier, they were then given disinformation and this was all hatched in Ian Fleming's mind along with his other British Scyat buddies and many of the people in those sort of wealthy class lesser nobility circles and nobility circles that Fleming was involved with were actually involved

07:58 pretty hardcore esoteric stuff, magic and so forth. So Maxwell Knight for example is a famous British intelligence agent and some people think he's the basis for either Bond himself in part or the character M in the novel who's Bonds handler but there are I mean the reality is that after you read about 10 or 15 books on this subject you start realizing that What Ian Fleming did was probably just combine a whole bunch of characters into the person of Bond. So even perhaps older era British Renaissance spies factor into it like John Dee or even Ian Fleming himself factors into it, Maxwell Knight then all these people sort have a role in that so on one level excuse me I had a cause at a concert this weekend and I'm kind of recuperating

08:54 You can hear that in my voice, but so on one level it was NSYNC. I was at the NSYNC concert dancing all weekend. Not really. So on one level Fleming is writing fiction and he's having fun with it. It was initially just considered pulp dime store novel stuff and then over time this scholar Umberto Eco, who's a famous Italian semiotician and author wrote a piece that sort of raised the status of it's called Narrative Structure in Ian Fleming's Bond. I believe it was titled. So he wrote that famous essay in the 60s and that kind of catapulted Fleming into a little more literary stat, a little more respected literary status than he previously had

09:42 So, when that happened they started I think realizing that you know actually a lot could be done. Now Hollywood and theater had for a long time been used for propaganda psychological warfare all the way back to things like Virgil's Aeneid that was Roman state propaganda but with the rise of modern advertising and the Bond stories are actually kind instrumental in some of the earliest versions of product placement. Sean Connery had a famous interview that he gave with Playboy back in the 60s where after he'd done a couple Bond films, he was saying yeah you know we're actually experimenting with placing vodka in the films so you know shake and not stirred and that was associated with vodka and then sort of realizing they could promote advertising. So another level is of course product placement

10:35 The next level of it would be propaganda. So you could have what's called in the form of this and PSYOPs could be something like projection where what your side is doing, you would actually project onto the enemy right? So they fictional organization of Spectre special executive for counterintelligence SBECT terrorism engine extortion had to think for a minute That's what SPECTRE stands for. This actually comes from the first incarnation in Casino Royale, which is called SMERSH, which has a similar acronym and SMERSH is actually Soviet intelligence that was actually a real world Soviet intelligence operation and you can read about that and there's an article at my site that excellent Russian

11:28 translator named Nina did and it's called Hitler's plot to assassinate Stalin. And you'll read about the real world basis for SMERSH there, Soviet military counterintelligence under Grigory Grigorenko. But so from SMERSH though after a little, it quickly turns into Spectre in the novels And so what Spectre is, is this international criminal syndicate that Is not bound by any national ties and basically recruits the best spies and assassins And it's pretty much a private mafia type cartel, secret society organization. Right? Sounds familiar! Exactly and so what is going on here is that pretty much since the British establishment more or less, the Royal Society and so forth who is Spectre well then what would you do? Well you'd say Russia is Specter right? So you tacked onto some nation state Nazi Germany as Spectr when its actually the Royal Society and thats the real Spector

12:26 So that's what, that's called projection. Right? So if you're engaged in bio warfare programs, vaccination program mass inoculation programs depopulation all these things that are projected onto villains like Blofeld, these are explicitly stated as plans by the Royal Society so So that's another level of it. Now, to what degree Fleming was actually cognizant of that? You know it's hard to parcel out I've looked at the collection of Ian Fleming personal library he did have quite a few pretty deep state esoteric dark titles there you know a handful of them

13:08 He was very much connected to the establishment. He actually helped build on them and set up the OSS, he was one of the British intelligence agents that helped the OSS come about in the US or first so-called intelligence agency with Bill Donovan. So you can see that he's very much a mover and shaker, he's palling around with Aristotle Onassis and different nobility comes from the prominent wealthy banking family of Valentine Banking Family. So Valentine Fleming I should say it was a prominent banker as well as his granddad so you know he is not coming from the outskirts, he is not a low level person who

13:53 Is just kind of working his way up. He's very much tied into the intelligence establishment of the globe and palling around with the elites Yeah, so that would lead me to think that he probably had a really good insight into what was going on in the world So that's the propaganda element of it, the PSYOP element in short is the projection element. You put on to the enemy what you're actually doing and I don't mean to oversimplify things its not like its just a world of good guy bad guy But that's how it functions in propaganda. Right? Yeah, so it's a real curious thing to me I guess another thing people sometimes say is That a purpose it serves is when something actually does happen Say vaccines for example when people are talking about a real-world vaccine issue someone will say

14:44 You know, what are you talking about man? That's just the plot from Kingsman. I guess it makes it easier for people to dismiss if they've seen in a movie previously as its not possibly a real world thing is that an element? It is. It's a conditioning element for in terms of social engineering and I believe this my thesis on that aspect of it is that especially when you look at science fiction if he looks like Asimov so when he was sketching out the foundation series back in the 40s and it was published in like amazing stories or whatever, and then it became a novel soon after that. If you read The Foundation what it discusses is this future galactic empire where everything has run on the basis of predictive algorithms so the main character Hari Saldan as a scientist who develops this

15:37 algorithm that is somehow it what it does, as it looks at mass movements for a long time and then based on pattern recognition projects in the future most likely scenarios. And so he can actually predict the downfalls of empires with it now this is actually the Google Palantir type technology that we see revealed today by the NSA and these different tech giant corporations Google Apple and so forth And so what happened? What's the use of this in terms of fiction and science fiction? Well, so if you could project what would be going on back in the 40s and 50s like Asimov. And then decades later, this comes to be well, you've kind of almost prophesied in a way right now I'm not saying that like they literally were prophesying like speaking to the Oracle at Delphi or something. But what I'm saying is that it gives the impression to public

16:35 that, oh man you know like they're the new gods. The new priest class that's what I'm getting at so what you do is you suppress the technology and secrets that you've discovered in nature and hidden tech and all of that You give everybody kind of a bogus materialistic kinda philosophy this is my view And then as release these tech secrets out into the world in a very controlled way because it's a very, we live under like a planned obsolescence system. It's not a free market cutting edge type system. I agree with that. You gradually leak out something that you probably discovered the basics for 50 years ago and then what that does is give you the impression of this godlike status and that's actually revealed in The Foundation series they actually reveal

17:25 the secrets of technology under the guise of a religion. And then Asimov makes that abundantly clear in the first novel, so that's a great example of that and you can see that with E. H. G. Wells too, things to come these different projections of the future he had seemed to line up pretty accurately where we're going So yes, it's a conditioning. It's a Psy-op. It's propaganda. It's advertising. And it gives you a godlike status because looks like your telling the future. Yeah, a very multifaceted agenda and so at this upcoming conference I guess you're speaking on the theme of predictive programming Hollywood and the notion of a breakaway civilization and on your blog You wrote a piece about The James Bond movie Moonraker Can you walk us through why moonraker is a good example for this topic?

18:19 I can. It's ridiculous and it's campy, it's cheeseball...it's one of my least favorite Bond stories. Very different from the novel but I still think we can come away from the movie with a good insight into what's really going on because that was kind of like some of these novels were written in 1950s? What was the year? Moonraker being written 5055. Okay, so this is written in 1955 and it's actually about the V2 rocket program in the novel so this is Operation Paperclip So there's Sir Hugo Drax in a novel is running this secret space program that's private and under the guise of protecting London with a big ICBM he's actually going to nuke London because

19:15 in his heart of hearts, he's still a member of the SS or he is a secret Nazi. So that is the novel plot and that more or less accurate in terms what happened with Operation Paperclip and the Secret Space Program in terms of the history of NASA and all that so I'm sure everybody has some general sense about if you have ever been to the conspiracy world But what's interesting about the film incarnation is that in 1979, kind of riding on the cusp of Star Wars and these – in 2001 these big sci-fi blockbusters that had emerged. I think directors and producers thought it would be a good idea to try to put Bond into – put Bond in space so spies in space which you know

20:04 doesn't tend to work out very well. So it's a cheeseball movie, but yeah I guess it had some pretty big special effects for the time and... But even in some of these campy cheeseball things we can actually find at times pretty deep Revelations of your predicted programming or whatever terms you want to use and so in this scenario we have the secret space program is actually run by a private guy. Mega billionaire we can think about elon musk we can thing about space x are these different real world incarnations that receive this kind of thing now And this is like a DARPA style space based weapon system that is interlinked to the satellite system. So we can think of Skynet here, I've linked many times, I've got another piece called Skynet Is Real

20:55 And it's the subtitle is Alchemists, Exemplarism and Technosis. I cite some actual Pentagon documents about the plan for Skynet now this is public It's not hidden you can find the documents at FAS.org Federation of American Scientists which is pretty much an academic open source database for these kinds of white papers And so under the guise of the Cold War, you have the erection of this private space program. That's what we see in Moonraker and so the scenario is more or less that this secretive organization it's always the same although it's not Spectre and Moonraker might as well be just another private person a secret shadow guy who's erecting putting money into these

21:46 to this DARPA, you know Star Wars Defension Institute style weaponization of space through the satellite systems. And so ultimately it's going to be interlinked globally a kind of Internet-of-Things scenario and what's really fascinating is that it was actually based on what you see in the film the real historical ideas of breakaway civilizations. So if we think about, for example, the Nazi perspective on Germanic peoples having a biological supremacist status, the Nazis were kind of breakaway civilizations. If you think about Atlas Shrugged and Rand is presenting another version of the breakaway civilization there where John Galt's hidden away secret community elites

22:34 and true libertarians is, you know behind this holographic mountain out in Colorado while they let the rest of the world go to shit. Right? Yeah It's the same scenario here right so it is called in the film Bond says Roger Moore says well its Noah's Ark So they're actually going to reseed the earth with Hugo Drax wants to re-seed the earth with his progeny And that will make him kind of like a new Adam, a new God and creator. So it's the new Genesis. Meanwhile he is going to get rid of the rest of population through aerosol spraying by the bioweapon. Boom! Yeah? That's the secret that Bond discovers. Bond discovers that Drax Industries has a front corporation called Vinny Glass and the glass company is actually manufacturing a bio weapon that will be sprayed

23:27 on the planet. So there we have, you know that's the thing about Bill Gates right? You got aerosolized geoengineering DNA manipulation vaccinations alteration of the genome Monsanto you know C volts right so this is kind of portrayed here in this 1979 Bond camp film which is quite astonishing I think my view it was pretty amazing yeah It's pretty deep. In your analysis you say that the book is kind of phase one of Project Paperclip and then, the movie is kind of phase two and you mentioned that this phase 2 of The Operation, the plugging in of Nazi scientists to the American machine it's responsible for the UFO Foo Fighters we see today Do you think all these exotic crafts are man-made?

24:16 I'm of the opinion that what happens is, so you have this idea that UFOs are like ancient visitors or like space tech, visitations of the gods or something like that. Now i do think it's possible that you can reverse engineer secret technology. I don't think that comes directly from like the Space Brothers or something. What I think it is In the ancient rituals and myths that may have an origin in these gods, you can actually tease out technological secrets. So I do think there is some truth to that paleotechnology aspect and that's why we see as I've said many times in discussions if you look at Plato's dialogues

25:02 How does Plato know what's going on at the atomic level? How does he know the structure of reality is actually platonic solids, geometric forms. You know how does Socrates in the Fayeto know that there are colors outside our color spectrum and that they're actually higher dimensions which he actually says well how does he know this now you know given the fact that now there's electron microscopes that can look at subatomic level and this is what we see so transmission of knowledge in that ancient time period that went beyond what we tend to consider as just simplistic, ancient superstitious man. Right?

25:44 And Plato says in the Timaeus that this comes from Egypt, it's the Egyptian tradition. So I'm of the opinion that that's the origin of some of these tech secrets and when you start looking into hidden metaphysics deep technology that kind of stuff there does seem to be a parallel to what you read in ancient myths. Mm-hmm. I don't have a perfect explanation for how that...I don't know how that is but it looks to be the case Right But I don't think that what we see most of the time modern pop culture and in terms of UFO experience and phenomena is like extraterrestrial beings. I tend to think that it's a terrestrial phenomenon, it is largely a psyop. I do think there's an occult esoteric aspect to it. I do think it does apply too at times there's a possibility of the higher angelic

26:35 entities being involved in this. But I don't generally accept like the ET style mythology of it. Right, yeah obviously I grew up enjoying that alien motif but in later years I do see several flaws with it along the way but it is a curious thing. I like the idea that these technological secrets Could come from some of these occult rituals of the elite that that might really be what's behind it because we see Technology and magic they seem to connect pretty well Especially when you look at the things that NASA puts out or even CERN They seem to have no callbacks to a cult symbolism, and it's very strange cuz yes in the mainstream We're kind of told that these are diametrically opposed views. You know there either a fufu magic

27:24 Person or you're a hardcore scientist. So I think it's really funny that behind the scenes we see this interlocking and Yeah, I'm a big fan of that perspective That they might be communicating with something some multi-dimensional entity some type of spiritual entity That isn't necessarily a gray from zeta reticuli But yes They're getting some type of information that is valuable for them otherwise why would they waste their time with the rituals? Bingo. You got it, that's exactly it! It is also possible most people don't have any conception of this but what if the scientific action or what you're enacting in a lab... What if it is itself a ritual?

28:02 That's true. In other words, what if what's happening at CERN is a ritual? And if you look at CERNs website recently they have this video of all these dancers putting on this performance Yes and there's like they're all wearing the Masonic square compass right so it was a ritual right and I have a bunch of pieces that treat this as well and I think that's why you can go back to even people like John D You have an essay I wrote called John D Leibniz, John Dee and Gollum's or something to that effect. I wrote it a couple of years ago but i go into some of John Dee's writings and I compare him to Leibnitz' writings being roughly contemporary they both projected on the basis of their philosophy that you could create there is this whole Gollum mythology and thats what AI is more less and Leibniz was able to figure out from

28:56 what he could project based on his platonic philosophy that you could create a mirror machine that worked on the principles of the human mind. So basically, you can create a computer and that's why Leibniz would later go onto be instrumental in the formation of the computer It's also worth mentioning that Newton was a big time alchemist. And so what Newton did was he would actually read the myths, the ancient myths in an alchemical way and he would do his experiments based on the mythological and alchemical recipes that he could find in the myths. And most people don't know that, but it's 100% true and all of... last I read at least, all of Newton's alchemical writings are actually stored in Tel Aviv So Newton is part of this kind of Royal Society secret esoteric metaphysical group You look at Leibniz and what he was doing in Germany and some of these Vienna Circle people

29:55 Kind of had the same thing going on there. So we can't look at science as what it's presented as either because there is a lot more going on, but I like that you mentioned the ritual aspect of sort of advanced and secret technology because you can see this clearly if you go to CERN's website in terms of lectures. I have an article i wrote it's either, the one that i titled we play and this will have the victory or its titled energetic ether metaphysics both of those are worth reading but one of the two i include Arthur Miller's lecture and Arthur Miller is a scholar of Wolfgang Pauli, who was a famous quantum physicist of the 20th century almost as big as Einstein. But Pauli was also into Platonism and the esoteric he wrote a whole treatise on Johann Kepler and alchemy in Kepler

30:53 But Pauli said, just like Werner Heisenberg that at the lowest level of reality what we see is platonic geometric forms. We see formal structure at the lowest level. The fabric of reality is highly designed and organized it's not random chaos like the Darwinian say so there you have it and Arthur Miller points out all this esoteric stuff and so that's there you go right there that's directly at CERN And Arthur Miller has a famous book on poly, and an archetype is another good book on poly you can look at. Where the modern cutting-edge science type guys are into this kind of stuff now I'm also of the opinion that some of this quantum consciousness stuff is as well BS too so you can't just go by this quantum consciousness stuff either because sometimes that's disinformation and baloney as well So the truth is always generally somewhere in the middle mm-hmm

31:47 Yeah, I love this kind of stuff. And I guess another element that kinda ties in is to quote your blog you say that you believe the celestial intelligences organize the synchronicities events and connections we experience under the power and guidance of God? This is an interesting paradigm are you saying when we experience synchronicities that might be what's behind this? Is it some type of maybe communication? Oh yeah! I believe its a script. I believe it's angelic script And that actually goes back to the ancient Eastern notion, right? So the Hindu notion of what they call Sandhya-Bhayasa was the idea that in modern philosophy it's called semiotics. In ancient religious philosophy is that this is an idea that scripts can be written not just by humans in terms of parchment paper or vellum or whatever

32:43 Well, if we're ruled by celestial intelligences and this is the normative perspective of the normative metaphysical view how the world's made up. The universe is made up you know in the middle ages an ancient world all the celestial intelligences are intelligences right so they're not just yeah they're not just inert immaterial impersonal forces their actual intelligent beings and exist in kind of a graded hierarchy what The Western religious tradition has called the celestial hierarchy and that's you find that even in the Western hermetic tradition as well as the Western theological tradition. So, you can even look at somebody like Cornelius Agrippa on his three books of cult philosophy he goes into great depth discussing these celestial hierarchy so you would have angels cherubim seraphim dominions principalities powers and so forth

33:38 These are all sort of graded into nine choirs of these beings. But there's also a corresponding fallen hierarchy from every one of these ranks as well, and that would make up the power forces that would be Lucifer and Satan and so forth So I tend to think that those perspectives on how the world operates are much more accurate. And so you can get really, really deep and intensive into this kind of research and you'll find out that oh actually certain numbers correspond with certain spirits and so forth. These are old ideas, but I think they're more accurate than what we're given as baloney science since

34:23 Darwin and Newton, ultimately. Unfortunately, Newton has more bad ideas I think than good ideas in my view. Leibniz is somebody much better at that time period But I also tend to favor a lot of sort of the Eastern Orthodox theologians perspectives on these as well. I think they have tremendous insights that most Western minds are not cued into, generally speaking so if you read someone like Gregor Ibn Nisa he has really really in-depth elaborate treatments of all this. He goes into the nature of infinity really really in depth which you know most people were not even

35:01 conceiving of that until modern mathematics with people like Jörg Cantor. But you can find precedence for that kind of thought all the way back to Gregor of Nyssa, but anyway... So yeah so you look at these Eastern theologians and there's a famous book Dionysios and then Dionysius has a treatise it's easily searchable it's not that long called The Celestial Hierarchy And it's really good to get a perspective on this. So if we want to look at the UFO alien type phenomenon, I think it really fits into that matrix that paradigm of understanding a lot better than in terms of the Darwinian ethos as well and this is generally the reason for why were supposed to believe in aliens in terms of ET sense

35:51 It's because we're told that well, because the universe is you know gazillions of years old then that stands to reason that there would be life that evolved on other planets and because it's gazillions of years old those other planets would have beings with much more insight and wisdom than us, and so they would be able to fly here across the galaxy. But of course they run out of gas or something in their ship crashes which doesn't make much sense to me like if you can fly across a galaxy that your ship crashes like a weather balloon or something over in the desert right? That's one of those issues

36:30 But so a better paradigm, I believe than that Darwinian ethos and that's actually what the Royal Society has always promoted is the idea of aliens and panspermia. A better perspective i think is the biblical account of the fallen hierarchy of angels and the Nephilim and The Watchers and all that which I do think that's what Genesis 6 is talking about if we're honest with that text Mm-hmm. So if we were to accept that Synchronicities are angelic scripts, I mean that's an interesting thought but I guess from that paradigm What should we glean what insight should we get from synchronicity? Does does that mean that we're on some type of Proper path for our true will or well, I'll give you okay. That's a good question. Um

37:17 Okay, so now I'm not saying this is like applicable to everyone. But for example if you read the book of Daniel in some of the texts there's a Hebrew word that's used where the angel that comes to visit Daniel is called Paulmoni And he's the, that means in the Hebrew the wonderful numberer. So he is the angel who is in some way associated with numbers times calendars and dates now I'm not being John Hagee or Hal Lindsay here I don't think that's all bullshit but I do think that what the text of Daniel was talking about and what Paul Monod what the angel tells to Daniel the wonderful number says you know yeah I am here to give you wisdom and insight on these topics so your going to understand

38:04 And he tells Daniel, based on what you read in the other prophets. The patterns of what happens in history now I believe that there are these kinds of patterns that emerge in history and even secular non-religious philosophers and historians have come to similar notions But like Oswald Spangler in Decline of the West, where he in a kind of Daniel type way looks at history. And that's why so Daniel when he looks at the world empires if you've read the book or if you recall it, he sees this big idol and the idol has clay stone brass gold that make it up and these represent for successive world empires or civilizations

38:46 And so what Daniel is able to do is, because he's given wisdom insight and knowledge. He's actually able to read that sort of angelic pattern script in history and that is how Daniel understands times dates and seasons and is able to prophesy quite a bit So that's what it is. In other words, what the biblical historical account of the office of a prophet is, is the person who's able to understand those aspects through the wisdom that God grants. We see that as well with Ezekiel A lot of others low similarities between them Ezekiel Daniel and John's apocalypse for example as well as the book of Zechariah So these are all biblical prophetic texts that I think speak to this To how it's possible that history and events can be scripted by angelic powers now. So now how'd all that works? I don't know not some kind of expert on that saying over profit either but That would be my analysis of and I also think that

39:44 You know you can have because there are there is a spiritual battle that's going on in the spiritual realm That's kind of mirrored on our level of reality and in the material realm or you can have different powers Engaging in different operations right so not all events are necessarily ordered by good powers, you can have wicked powers that Perhaps are invoked or engaged in or interacted with in some way, ritually. Or I don't know whatever that organize ritual events to set forth a kind of

40:24 discharge into the psychosphere, so to speak. Hmm... Man that's it's a deep and interesting thread for sure! To bring it back to movies a little bit talk to us about Interstellar because if there's gonna be movies that allude to things going on in a secret space program this would certainly have to be one of them wouldn't? Absolutely yeah you know it's more recent incarnation of this theme of the Secret Space Program I think to start Interstellar is Christopher Nolan's homage to 2001, right? So it was very much based on 2001. But he changes up where it goes a little bit so it's not exactly like 2001 and It's also worth noting that I think Christopher Nolan films as I've said many times are important to pay attention to because

41:17 Christopher Nolan films are full of predictive programming. So we've all I think in conspiracy world now could become familiar with the Batman Sandy Hook reference, right? Right. So you know how that was put there who put that there yeah You know it's hard to say and understand that there was like a production company that was involved in producing the props and so forth and so To me, I would say that looks to be intentional. And given the fact that so much of what Nolan deals with in his films all the way back even to Memento or Insomnia is dealing with archetypes and that's Jungian and so Carl Jung and Wolfgang Pauli had a long correspondence which is very much worth reading if you get Carl Jung's book on synchronicity If you read that there was whole chapter on their dialogue

42:08 And Paoli mentions it quite a bit as well, as Arthur Miller in his lecture that I referenced earlier. So if we look at interstellar what you have here is the secret space program that's having to cope with whatever the blight is that's messing up Earth's crops and where we're never certain of this was a result of actual human experimentation chemtrailing or what... It's not exactly clear but Earth is not going to be inhabitable for whatever reason Maybe the crops are all GMO'd, right? Monsanto got the upper hand or something. And so we have this curious statement early on that now what I thought was neat and no one else seemed to cue into in the other reviews I read of it – and I'm not bragging, I just didn't see anybody else pick up on this but there's a curious thing at the beginning of The Drone where The Drone is flying around

43:01 Murphy says, hey dad let's follow it and Matthew McConaughey is running around and they followed through this field stuff. It's almost like they treat it like its this wounded animal or something right? They're coaxing it and petting it and all the poor drone So, but this is where these events are organized. Right? So these things that start happening on the farm that Matthew McConaughey's characters undergoing Cooper starts realizing that there's patterns to these things and so it's like it's an AI

43:40 sort of intentional leading him down this road that leads him to where NASA is actually not defunct because the textbooks they say in the story are that moon landings are fake. I love that element! Yeah, and there's no more NASA because we can't go into space it was pointless so we got to figure out how to fix the blight here on Earth So things kind of revert to this agrarian society, right? You're back to like 1950s America or 40's or something where most people are farmers and it was Midwestern.

44:18 And so the moon landings are fake. They did on a soundstage, but Cooper is led down this path of what all kind of synchronicities right? So it's as if the synchronicities are kinda organized by whatever this higher AI power is right and he comes to find that there's secret NASA and they're going to need to send him you know to space and figure out what to do. We're not going have any oxygen anymore, and Matthew McConaughey says he's gonna fly his Lincoln into space! I can't do a discussion of this without my Matthew McConaughey impersonation. Yeah that's not bad

45:00 So, yeah. I'm sure most people have seen this film by now that are listening and what i think is really neat about it is that what you have is the reversal of 2001 where HAL 9000's kind of battling with Bowman and then Bowman beats HAL 9000 then he goes into the the into the beyond, into the infinite. So what happens here is that it's you know, Cooper goes into the Tesseract which is next dimension with the aid of AI so it's that little monolith looking TARS

45:40 that travels with him into the higher dimension, that's higher up. And you know what is neat is from Platonism and mathematics and even professors like Lisa Randall or Brian Green these different physicists they actually talk about how it's demonstrably mathematically provable there are these higher dimensions like this You can find an old clip of Carl Sagan outlining this on YouTube just type in Carl Sagan fourth dimension or something like that higher dimensions It's been viewed by millions of people and he is laying out how there are these higher dimensions. In geometry it is called a tesseract, if you ever read the novel when you were kid Wrinkle in Time, Wrinkle in Time was about a tesseract so these are real things I think and that being portrayed, being revealed to us in this film

46:35 And when he goes through to the other side, you basically find out that the apotheosis of man, the deification of man is sort of this cooperative operation between humans and AI. So we learned that's actually who was guiding Cooper along was actually future Cooper in Humans or whoever right? So it's kind of like man maybe melding into AI and then that's the source of how we go beyond the four dimensions or three dimensions that we inhabit presently, right? It's all about transcending limitations and the main limitations that humans can't transcend our time in space.

47:20 So the film is all about the transcending of time and space. And that's what happens in the Tesseract when he's in the next dimension, and he's able to speak through it's not time bound, especially down but actually through imagery and symbols right? So again, he can kind of speak in binary or you can speak through books on our shelf. These different stories almost like he's in the astral realm where he can speak at the speed of thought, right? Yeah Yeah. And that's what he does with Jessica Chastain, so I rewatched 2001 right? So by the way i think that's ultimately what the Secret Space Program is all about it's all about this advanced tech and transhumanism as the real secret right? So I was thinking about this and then I went back and watched 2001 and wrote a whole brand new big ass analysis of that one and I started realizing

48:19 You know what, at the end of 2001 when Bowman is fighting with HAL. When he shuts HAL down that's what triggers the message to come on the screen that Bowman is actually on a secret space mission to go beyond and follow The Monolith right? So it's almost like The Monolith engineered that situation to lead Bowman to the next level. Yeah you could say that And I had never thought about it that way. I just always kind of thought about it like, oh you got to beat the AI and then then it's man wins out and man becomes star child or whatever but it's almost like it's actually engineered perhaps? It was just an interesting thesis I took on so I kinda went back and thought well actually maybe 2001 and Interstellar have the same message because The Monolith

49:13 If you look at the picture of Hal, where he's just a red dot. He is like a black screen with a red dot right? So he actually kind of favors the monolith and in Interstellar the monoliths that are there they are the AI that are walking around with everybody and their monoliths right so when you go back and watch 2001 I read a book about Kubrick recently before I wrote this And the monolith was actually supposed to be a screen. It was it was actually kind of supposed to be this advanced sort of AI, so it's almost like maybe the AI gods or God right? Is like what's directing all of this right and that's what leading man you know kind out of this matrix or however you want to conceive on it So that was my take on

49:56 Yeah man, I really love the movie Interstellar but for a movie that already parallels 2001 in a lot of different ways. AI the Taurus being the same exact shape as the monolith. I thought that it was a impractical choice for the machines to get around and, I guess...I don't know? Did you find a deeper meaning in that exact replication because it seems too obvious for a guy who- I did! Right. Go ahead. Well, I think well, I'm sorry to cut you off and then I'm rambling a lot but uh, I thought that

50:37 You're supposed to get the impression that like the NASA that there it's underground or whatever Like that's an older version like they had they the TARS and whatever their accompanying model are older So they're kind of experimental AI That maybe we might have now in reality or something but they're still kind of slugging around NASA And you know, I think it's even mentioned that they're kind of a having to work with what they have, right? Like they don't know for sure if what they've got in the narrative can actually accomplish what they need Cooper to go do. So I think the choice was on one hand to make it obvious that it's a monolith and rather than my initial reading of 2001 where man versus AI, I think Nolan wants it

51:32 that is what will take us to the next level it's what will help us and it doesn't have to be a thing where we. Have to worry about you know sky net in terminator coming alive and whatever like killing something, can be a positive thing and i agree with that actually can be a positive there's nothing that doesn't have to be Some negative things a question of what humans choose to do with it just like a weapon right? I mean a weapon can be a good thing for self-defense or it can be something that you can kill people with so We're commit murder. So in the same way, you know AI can be either positive or negative things depends on what humans choose to do with it but That's what I saw it as but like I said when I went back and watched 2001 I kind of started thinking Like maybe the monolith is actually like

52:19 Actually is what Nolan is saying. Maybe it actually is like this AI thing because the in the original script that Kubrick and Clark wrote, the monolith has screens on it that are playing images of the apes watch. And if you remember at the end of Interstellar, the little boxes and monoliths that are walking around have screens on them. Yeah Huh. That was actually what the monoliths is supposed to be in 2001, but they decided not to do it because it would be too limiting. They didn't want people thinking like oh so the space gods are just TVs that fly around? Yeah and you talk about how intuition and love from humans as well as the scientific thinking of the advanced AI are both needed to complete the mission of transcending death in the movie Interstellar

53:07 I think that's a fascinating analysis. And now we're talking about 2001 being more of a cooperation between man and machine rather than a versus man and machine analysis, so I guess I'm curious ultimately is Interstellar a film meant to promote sympathetic feelings towards transhumanism an acceptance of a man-machine merger? I think so! I really do because i think that's what...I think Nolan's point Well, we're supposed to not have a space program anymore and Obama supposedly defunded that a couple years ago which is true. NASA has always been kind of a Hollywood front piece anyway but there has always been a real space program and that's things like DARPA and Star Wars Defense Initiative and the weaponization of space and satellite programs

53:55 satellite internet and all that, the eyes in the sky. That's the real space program and to what degree the advanced foo fighter hovering floating disks and stealth bombers or whatever are advanced. I'm sure they're mega-advanced, and we just aren't told about it." And so what that means? I'm not sure you know how far have we gone in the galaxy? I don't know have we gone past the Van Allen Belt? I don't know but what i think is...I think we're just intentionally not being told any of that stuff for sure and were told a whole bunch of baloney So on one level Nolan is looking at kind of what the pop mind thinks about science

54:35 you know, space travels pointless or whatever. I'm of the opinion kind of like some of the Eastern fathers said that humans are actually made to sort of expand and colonize and terraform the universe so that's my view i think we will do that. I think it is meant to be done uh... and I think no one saying look we can't do this AI doesn't have to be this you know like a said terminator thing comes alive and kills everybody I mean, I think that there are eugenicists and people who do want to use AI for that purpose explicitly. And I'm of the opinion too that computers are never going to be alive and I have philosophical reasons why believe that but

55:21 So I don't think that AI is ever going to be like sentient and all they do is just sort of redefine what it means to be sentient, to where anything that's operating is sentient. So if I record myself on a computer the transhumance will say oh that's you right? No that's not me, that's simulation of me but anyway... Right, makes sense. That's just my view but yeah I think Nolan is saying we can't be completely scientific and rationalist. We got to have the human factor, and love is real." That was a big part of what Interstellar was about was love. And you know that the missing male with Cooper kind of being like Odysseus where he's gone in the masculine figure is no longer there so that forces Jessica Chastain to take on this masculine role

56:17 And she's angry for a long time because her dad is gone. All mirroring Odysseus' journey and then his return, so yeah I think Nolan is kind of saying look we know transhumanism is coming and the AI is coming so let's try to do positive with this and not let it be a negative thing where we have to worry that HAL 9000 is going to nuke us all or something Yeah, it's really interesting and to talk about NASA a little bit. So much of what we know of course when it comes to space comes from NASA and also the Hollywood industry and sci-fi movies definitely shape our view of what space is like

57:03 And it's just, you know I'm having a real problem lately with my audience because some guests if they cite NASA for anything if they have any theories that branch off of NASA data. It's like the audience just dismisses them outright because like you said it's been a Hollywood PR front piece but I guess the question is to what extent? Because now people, you know the flat earth is getting a resurgence and there are people who write me that they don't even think that the planets are really out there because The only ones who are really viewing them or NASA and it gets really crazy. Where do we draw the line between What is really out in space and what has been shown to us through uh, You know a bunch of illusions Yeah great question And unfortunately, you know There's not

57:43 simple answers to any of these questions. And so I have a friend, good buddy of mine for a long time and he's an aerospace engineer who contracted with NASA for awhile. So NASA does do some real stuff right? it. So that it's not completely fake, right? They do shoot real rockets and all that now. But beyond that, it's very hard to say exactly what's going on because just my opinion when I see these Mars images and NASA has been doing this forever they've been saying we found water on Mars found life on Mars and it's always just a CGI image. Right so what Where's the real thing? Why don't you just show us a good HD picture of it, you know instead these dumb You know Matt max headroom looking like 1989 CGI pictures. All right So I don't know, you know, I don't know what to make up. I know there is a secret space program For a factor as they talk about the black budget for it. I know the Star Wars defense initiative was launched at bohemian Grove No, no operation paperclip was real and all that

58:44 Werner Von Braun was real. They were, you know making designing rockets and shooting them and so forth but now then when you get into these deeper physics questions and metaphysics questions it's very very difficult to parcel out the true from the false So at the same time you got disinformation and psyops going on with the reality questioning aspects of what we're being presented with in alternative media. In other words, it can go so extreme that you're wanting people are wanting to like question everything right? So like nothing is real and what that does is lead you right into the philosophical view of solipsism. Oh well then everything's just a projection on my mind. There have been philosophers who've espoused this and played with it. Descartes plays with this notion in his meditations

59:33 And that quickly leads to absurdity, because as I've said many times you can just deconstruct this philosophically and show that it's nonsense by saying well if everything is illusory and fake then my discovery that everything is illusory and fake is also fake. Right? So then that's contradictory in self-reputing so we don't think that's a road we want to go down We can have general in philosophy what's called general reliability of our sense perceptions. So empirical data is vital That doesn't mean that I'm an empiricist. I write quite a bit against empiricism, but empirical data? Absolutely! It's very crucial and very important to do as much investigation in first-hand

1:00:17 inspection as you can. But I don't know, there are all kinds of anomalies about physics that don't line up to the classic physics that we're told from Newtonian era and from materialistic naturalistic Darwinism down that just do not make sense. Does that mean I think that flat earth is correct? No, something about that's not sitting right but I do think there are things they're pointing out about physics and metaphysics that don't make sense with what we're told in Orthodox academia so-called right i'm right there with you that's the same value I get out of listening to that camp is all the. The holes they poke in the official stories on my yeah i'm right there with you just don't come to the same conclusion but something else someone ask about we're getting down at the wire but,

1:01:11 I do see you commenting on the state of alternative thinkers and the conspiracy community occasionally, and the themes that come and go in these circles. So when you look at the alternative community what are some of the major themes or views that you take issue with? Where are shows like this one missing the mark at times?" Well, I tend to take a pretty relaxed approach to letting people do what they want and have the guests on that they want to talk about. And I do that because I don't have too strict of a policy about what shows I go on so if somebody will have me on let me state my views, I'll go on their show, I don't care but also make clear if I disagree with something

1:01:50 As an alternative media as a whole is kind of a circus. It tends to mirror the mainstream media in many ways, so you'll see stories going around quite consistently that are fake, that are bullshit, that just get repeated in the mainstream media because they're in... They get repeated in alternate media because they're in the mainstream media. So the mainstream media reports on ISIS compounds and Mexico and ISIS crossing the border And then the alternative media just mirrors these and but at the same time we're told that ISIS is not real in the alternative media. Yeah, well these two things can't be true they're not the same they're different claims right so there's no ISIS crossing the border that's complete bullshit but you'll see this mirrored all through alternate media you'll see certain sites talk about and it's the same crap that was on

1:02:40 on other sites 10 years ago back in 2005 that Al-Qaeda was crossing the Mexican border with nukes. Complete bullshit, not true! Nukes are being stolen everywhere and they're running around loose, this is bullshit, not true so there's basically alternative media About as much bullshit as mainstream media. So, you know, it's hard and hard to find a really good solid podcast shows out there that's not anything about you or any particular group I'm just giving my overall assessment So I just do my own thing. I don't even worry about it, and I don't care who's doing what in alternative media. It tends to be a circus and I just go about my business.

1:03:28 conspiracy community broadly because it is tough. I mean, I try to avoid the pitfalls. I try to avoid the disinformation but again so much is unverifiable You know you're kind of left with just your own general discernment and I'm sure I've had guests on that had an agenda that I wasn't aware of and pushed a position Maybe served some higher purpose in the grand conspiracy, but I'm sure I have to you know right it's just we do what we can. You know but it is fun to talk about and analyze the community were in. I agree. My approach is do your own thing and don't worry about it, go about your business. State what you think and research as best you can use your critical thinking. Don't be duped in bullshit. Right on man cheers to that! That just about does it for us I mean very much enjoyed having you here man so many things we could have talked about hopefully we can do again sometime but... Anytime

1:04:27 Yeah, cool. Awesome before we go would you like to remind people where they can read your work and catch you live coming up at the end of the month? Yes You can go to Jay's analysis calm And I think I have about there 700 posts about 600 of them are my articles but a hundred of them are the film reviews so all kinds of stuff there I will be speaking at the esoteric well excuse me this secret space program and Conference and my lecture will be predictive programming in the secret space agenda. That's October 31st to November 1st in Bastrop, Texas slash Austin that area If you want to help me out, then if you buy some tickets put in the code SSPDyer2015 and that will give you a discount. That's also how I get paid for the people that use my code And I would also like to mention that my subscriber site offers philosophy lectures that touch on all kinds of topics

1:05:24 mentioned today, but they tend to be a little more academic. So if you're interested in learning philosophy getting into the primary texts of Plato and Aristotle and different historical pieces that's what I offer to subscribers for $4.95 a month and you get those once a week and there is an archive you can access as well with a bunch of interviews too, so it's not just boring philosophy talks. It's exciting sexy philosophy talks and I would also like to mention that I have an upcoming show with Natural News through they're starting a radio program and my show will be Esoteric Hollywood and that'll be premiering next week as well. Awesome! Very cool man. Well thanks again. I did have a blast take care yourself out there and have a great time in Austin. Well there is another show in the bag

1:06:11 I thought Jay made a great guest. I really like going into cinema symbolism, and I think this branched off into a bunch of interesting areas. Angelic script and the nature of synchronicities? Links between magic and technology? You know those things are right up my alley for sure! I liked how product placement came up early on. It's funny how we're seeing a mainstream splash of stories about Isis using Toyota trucks Ale Demingard, he mentioned that months ago. It's like Toyota didn't get enough out of it and Russia came in to end ISIS so quickly they throw out a news media blitz about stories detailing this connection and they all did the rounds no real information given or conclusion drawn just ISIS used Toyota trucks

1:06:53 And if you listen to any mainstream news in the past couple of weeks, I think you've probably heard that. I guess critics would say that's bad press but nobody is linking Toyota to terrorism in their mind it's just about brand repetition over and over and they know how it works I wasn't sure then if there was something going on, but once all the big shows took that story you know that's handed down from on high. And it's just a funny thing So it was a pretty good first hour But if you're a member of THC Plus and you listen to that second hour You know we got into the new movie The Martian, as well as Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Wag the Dog, True Detective, Mad Max and Jurassic World. So many movies that didn't even touch American Ultra because that's just too obvious! We talked about Saturnian symbolism, mind control, sex cults...the idea a lot of pop stars could be victims of this abuse

1:07:46 We talked about filmmakers who might have revealed too much, ritual murders involving Hollywood and the idea that some of these celebrity deaths and other high profile deaths could be staged. or done with the use of a double so that some of these people could fake their own deaths and then retire somewhere. And we talked about the intensive work Jay has done breaking down the cult of sciencism, and how that affects the culture as well as Tesla and some other reasons why he was a badass I hope you liked it! I hope you found it action-packed please make sure to check out jaysanalysis dot com to dig into all his stuff if you're going to be going to the secret space program conference in Austin You can see him there

1:08:23 Next week is the return of one of my favorite guests and another guest from the conference. Maybe I'll keep it a surprise, but i will give you... The hint! of saying the phrase cosmic war. I'm sure a lot of you know what that means so keep doing what you do people enjoy the day make some progress towards those goals buck the system break free from the chains watch out for the temple guards tell your boss to shove it and start playing to win i'm Greg Carlwood and I declare this meeting at The Midnight Society closed Your move sorcerers of Hollywood, your fricking move Because you're my eyesight spell Watch out I can't stand running around I can't stand no doubt