Dr. Stephen Hussey | The Heart Deception, Epigenetics, & The Health Evolution

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01:28 Christ on a cracker, higher side chatters. How are we doing out there? From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and despite a world of false flags secret space programs fractional reserve banking mind control programs and more We cannot overlook the simple things in life That's where our power as individuals shines And they're still no shortage of misinformation deception and dare-I-say attacks to overcome when it comes to our health and wellness We know the AMA was set up as a Rockefeller medicine monopoly from the start and we've seen the medical schooling sector take the money and drink the Kool-aid longer than we've been alive. We have seen scandal after scandal with the world's biggest medical companies yet, the media still encourages us to applaud their efforts and donate to the cause

02:11 We know that petrochemical pill pushers and sales reps have compromised our doctors' integrity by getting them to promote any new drug they can if it means box seats to next weekend's big game. We've watched the corporate food industry deceive us over fat, sugar and diet in general And even when folks do try to play ball we see no shortage of families reach financial ruin thanks to insurance companies and unnecessary exploding costs Well, it's time to come down from the soapbox and lead by example. By taking the reins of our own lives putting our alternative information to the test and making it painfully obvious for the rest of world that our perspective yields the healthiest and most fulfilling life

02:52 But to do that, we need brave souls and bright minds that we can trust like today's guest Dr. Stephen Hussey who knows the repercussions of the system-suggested ways of life first hand as his childhood was plagued by health issues including a type 1 diabetes diagnosis when he was only 9 years old. Stephen went on to develop a passion for health in college and attained his doctorate in chiropractic medicine and masters in human nutrition and functional medicine from The University of Western States Over the years he has learned the intricacies and details about the power of food to heal the body, and it all began when He used the proper human diet as part of a healing process to rid himself of many chronic health ailments. Today practices chiropractic and functional medicine in Roanoke Virginia And also coaches people back-to-health on his website Resource Your Health

03:42 He's also the author of two great books entitled The Heart, Our Most Medically Misunderstood Organ and more recently The Health Evolution. So let's do the damn thing! The do-gooding doctor health evolution educator and true champion to people Dr. Hussie my man welcome to the higher side. Hey thanks for having me it's great to be here You got it you got i'm really looking forward to this you sent me both your books and i found a lot of great stuff that i think people are going to appreciate, but i do think some context for your life in your story would be a great way to start just because i've had a lot of.

04:18 Alternative or maybe we should just say natural health advocates on THC and it's usually because of a personal need that they actually undertake the huge task of getting diet right learning about suppressed are little known elements of health and wellness. And that seems like it was true for you to it was kind of a situation of either change your way of life or completely lose your quality of life, For sure, yeah. So at a very young age I was diagnosed with multiple inflammatory chronic conditions things like asthma we used to have terrible allergies had ibs I used to like break out in huge hives all over my body just because of an inflammatory reaction and then ultimately ended up with type 1 diabetes which is an autoimmune condition And so I was kind of thrown headfirst into the western medical world because that's all me and my parents knew what to do at the time

05:11 And i guess that as a group especially in college and i found interest in health and found my lifestyle made these things easier to manage. But especially when i went off to get a medical degree and get in a functional medicine training i really started to look at what western medicine was missing and why it wasn't giving me solutions that was just kind of suppressing the symptoms that i had associated with these conditions. And so you know digging further and further because even my medical education as a chiropractor and in functional medicine, it is focused on diagnosis We do all these tests, blood tests or assess symptoms and find a diagnosis. And then that gets us to how we can treat. Now functional medicine was a bit different because we're looking for the why but I am ever curious i guess and I just wanted to know the why of the why? We want to know why these people are sick but why are they getting sick in the first place? So it eventually led me to evolution which is where I wrote this book But when I really started honing on evolution

06:14 And applying that to humans and our health epidemic, I really found the answers that I was looking for. That had been looking for my entire life and they were ultimately things that led me to the lifestyle changes I made that got rid of all those conditions aside from the type 1 diabetes which is kind of collateral damage so yeah It is nice to have a robust medical education and some credentials that is important if you're gonna coach people work with people but you really had to do a lot of this work independent of the system right because as i understand it, some people can go through the whole. Medical program and get very little education on diet nutrition they just kinda focus on

06:53 Disease but i guess talk to us a little bit about that most of what you preach and advocate for is stuff you learned on your own right yeah sure. if we just step back and look at how the whole medical system is set up a minute for profit system and you can look at three aspects of it that profits the practitioners insurance companies in the pharmacy companies. So the pharmacy company's are funding the education of the practitioners most of the practitioner's as far as medical doctors so they're gonna find an education that steers those practitioners toward using their products, their pharmaceuticals. And then the practitioners are looking for that diagnosis because they can't get paid by insurance companies unless they have a diagnosis so someone could be sick but if they don't have enough criteria to meet a diagnosis than the doctor can't help them without getting paid so that doesn't influence him or help him very much

07:46 And then the insurance companies are only gonna pay for treatments that have been approved or substantiated by research and since the pharmaceutical companies are also funding the research, the only research that really gets put out there is that the pharmaceuticals are the best option. So we had this you know system where all this money flowing around between those three pillars and then The patients are getting better because the focus is not on them It's about where the money is flowing and so with all that stuff distracting us from finding out what truly causing disease We have a system. That's not really interested in

08:22 what's truly causing the disease. So I had to figure out that kind of stuff on my own and so, I go outside the box find any resource don't rule anything out just go and see if it makes sense or see if I can apply it to my life and that's kind of what I've done even though I have this formal chiropractic education in dysfunctional medicine education I had to look further Fair enough and luckily we have the golden age of information at our fingertips for people willing to walk the road. And elaborate on your story and a quote your book the health evolution you write on a more personal note i was not a natural birth i was only partly breastfed and i was fully vaccinated those things along with the poor diet i was eating in the anxious child that i was led me to the inflammatory childhood experience

09:09 That's pretty raw man sometimes the stuff isn't easy for people to admit about themselves and their own upbringing but it's also empowering when you learn that with better choices you can have a better life rather than being a victim of circumstance and genetics in just saying well i'm sick thats my life. I mean, it's really empowering to learn about say epigenetics right? Yeah for sure and so there's a huge field of genetics right now and basically i can't is the idea we've kind of proven now that you jeans are not setting stone you have to search it as you have but you can influence the expression of those genes based on the environment put them in. Can i copy anything from the thoughts your having to the toxins exposed to the food that you eating anything that

09:55 You come in contact with your personal environment and so we think about it not aspect i think that functional medicine is done a really good job sharing this knowledge about genetics but what that means to me is that our genetics are in the wrong environment. And so when i started trying to figure out what the ideal environment is for human let me to evolution, So I guess one of the basic theories of evolution is that when an environment of a species changes too quickly and That species doesn't have the necessary generations it needs to adapt to that change then its health will struggle and sometimes it will even die or the species will go extinct because Change too fast. And so when you look at epigenetics from that point of view, and you apply it to evolution Humans are definitely in the wrong environment yes, and

10:47 I really think one of the overarching messages drilled into our heads by the big machine is this is how it is, improvement is futile. And that kind of crushes our hope for a better world and this applies to all areas of life but epigenetics is really dismantling that when it comes to our health and wellness and I think that is super important so let me ask What are some of the details about those major changes you've made on a personal level that you think have improved your quality of life most where just see the biggest bang for the buck well i think initially. It was diet i started to realize that

11:30 What I ate made it so much easier for me to control blood sugars, which is something I have to deal with every day and I deal with it less and less now because I eat a diet that I really don't have to worry about it that much. And so Diet was the first one and I think that The biggest thing for me is that humans are way more efficient when we burn fat We've been told that carbohydrates are necessary and they're in the bulk of the American diet if we look at The big food companies out there they're the ones that produce all the wheat and corn in the sugar. I'm sorry things like that is these higher carbohydrate foods are driving our metabolism which is making us burn carbohydrate which is causing all kinds of damage, i'd like to say that we burn carbohydrate make more exhaust just like when a car burns fuel it makes exhaust so that exhaust can actually damage your body's make it less efficient or burning fat we make way less exhaust

12:28 and we get more energy from it, and our metabolism just works way better. So that was the first thing for me going to a higher fat diet which stabilized my blood sugars like crazy I mean I barely had to use any insulin anymore. I basically have a basal rate that my body kind of gives itself or the pump gets itself throughout the day And i don't give myself any more because I'm not really eating many carbohydrates at all so is the first thing The second thing which was surprising to me Was that Foods have plant foods I should say have their own defense mechanisms and so These become popular known as like lectins or phytic acids or oxalates. These are things that foods having them naturally that Disrupt our physiology they're trying to defend themselves against us And when I started eliminating foods that had a high amount of these the anti nutrients as they're called my blood sugar is stabilized even more

13:21 This was when I really was able to just set a basal rate and then kind of forget it. Didn't have to bowl this for every meal, give myself more insulin because my blood sugars were just stable and for type 1 diabetic that's phenomenal because i'm sitting here trying to think like a pancreas you know? And give myself the right amounts of insulin and now I don't have to worry about it really as long as I stick to the diet that I think humans really evolved to eat then I'm doing fine. Well that's good to hear yeah Yes, we all know our environment is full of toxins But you do bring up in the book these anti nutrients and I think people know far less about that as you mentioned Leachins which are found in grain and some vegetables but you also list Phytic acid which is found in legumes oxalates found in some greens tannins found in many teas and

14:12 This is interesting. I mean, it makes sense that some plants do evolve to have these kind of natural defense mechanisms and they aren't great to consume but i think we're surprised by some of that because it's always about eat more greens and tea is very healthy yeah Is there certain popular tea out there that you would avoid or some of the main greens people are probably eating? Where do you think people are probably eating the most anti-nutrients without knowing it I think that grains and legumes are probably the two highest that people are eating a lot of, mainly because they're added to a lot of processed foods. Grains and then things like soy can be very processed and added to a lot of processed foods so if you're avoiding processed foods your avoiding some food types like lectins or anti-nutrients but we also got to talk about the processing of some of these foods

15:07 In the past, humans have made some of these foods more tolerable because of the way they process them. So if we're talking about grains using like a sourdough where it's fermented actually reduces the amount of anti-nutrients. Doesn't mean they're not gone, they're still there but there are way fewer of them or soaking beans before you eat them this has made them more tolerable I mean beans are notorious for making us gassy because they have these indigestible proteins, these anti nutrients but if we soak them and get rid of the soaking water that can decrease the nutrients things like if you get oxalates in some of the greens Like spinach has pretty high oxalates, kale has pretty high oxalates. But if you cook them it decreases that exposure to them I guess the amount of the oxidant would affect you and then things like lectins in nightshade vegetables so if we look at which is very interesting here The Italians eat a lot of tomatoes and that's a nightshade vegetable That's pretty high in lectins but if you look at the way that they make their pasta sauce

16:07 They blanch the tomato, take the skin off and then they take the seeds out. And the skin and the seeds are where all the lectins are. The vast majority of them are. So then they make their sauce with what's left so that way less lectin is in the way that eat most of their tomatoes. It's part of the reason why they seem to do better on this high-tomato diet like they have in Italy So it's very interesting that plants would do this. I think that there is, if we look at evolutionarily if makes sense though, I mean if we pick a plant kill plan or take its fruit with the seeds and eat it and see does survive our digestive tract then that plant wouldn't survive wouldn't be able to pass on its genes or grow another plant somewhere else so it will defend itself

16:51 And so most animals who would get the effects that they get from these lectins, these anti-nutrients wouldn't go and eat that again because if they're getting weakened by them and then something starts to chase them their chance of survival is decreased. But we humans live in this easy world that we created for ourselves and so we eat these things without thinking about it and we may have a headache or we may have some inflammatory condition or something like that But it doesn't affect our ability to survive because of this world we created for ourselves and so. We don't really think that it could be causing a disease which is been taught that plants are what humans eat and that may not be the case all the time so. Yes the world is complex and we have really lost our education and we really kinda gotta get back into understanding the complexity and new ones rather than just saying,

17:47 Eat natural things and avoid the drive-thru. I mean it is more complex than that, but yeah... I also really wanted to dive into the heart because the things you lay out in that book probably blew my mind the most Let's start with heart disease It's considered the number one cause of death so it should probably get some attention What do you consider the biggest misconceptions about? Heart disease I think there's two. One is that the heart is a pump and the heart is actually not a pump, it's something different and we'll go into that but the other one is that cholesterol and dietary fat and atherosclerosis in arteries causes heart attacks. I mean atherosclerosis in artery is not good thing to have but it doesn't necessarily cause a heart attack so let's get into this first of all the heart is not a pump

18:40 There's lots of studies that show that looking at the heart as a pressure propulsion pump meaning something that would take static water from somewhere suck it in and then forcefully pumping out somewhere else. Which is what we're talking about does just doesn't add up with the physics of our cardiovascular system if the heart was that type of pump, doesn't make sense there's many experiments have been done to show that The heart pumping that way or being the main force of blood flow. The physics of the system doesn't work and actually like, the system would collapse because the pressure in the system would collapse then we have to ask ourselves well how is the blood flowing though if the hearts not pumping it? So I think an important question asked with that is How does water get from the ground to the top of a 300 foot tall redwood tree there's no pump there right but it happens

19:32 And then people say oh well you can like siphon very much pressure but the maximum you can do that is like thirty two feet. So there's these three hundred foot tall trees that have water in the leaves so how does it happen well this goes to looking at some of the work done by jill pollack university washington And before him gilbert laying they found that water has a unique properties and so when water has sufficient charge which water can hold charging it can harvest energy from the environment whole. Energy when i have enough energy in this next to hydrophobic surface of water loving service,

20:09 Then it will create this layer of exclusion zone water or fourth phase water and when that forms so let's say we're talking about an artery which is a hydrophilic surface. And the blood is almost 50% water so if the water in our blood is charged enough to hold energy enough it will form this layer around the artery does two things that layer protects the artery Provided that we don't have toxins and oxidative damage that will destroy that layer, but it also creates an energy gradient. That creates flow. And so Dr Pollack has done these really interesting experiments where they put a hydrophilic tube in water that has enough charge in the water just starts flowing through the tube one direction without any pump or force on it

20:57 Any found that when he supplied energy to the system this water indefinitely the flow continue indefinitely and so i think. That's more like what we're seeing and i think that if you look at the heart it's main purpose is not too forcefully pumped blood because i mean it's a good analogy here so far was to put a pressure propulsion pump in the middle of a river, A. The river wouldn't need it to be there because the river is already flowing which the blood is already flowing because this dynamic we talked about with fourth phase water and artery but it also might get in the way of flow if you put it in the middle of this flow and its trying to suck this water that's coming to it and pump out the other side probably slow it down so that one of things heart is trying to do actually slow the blood

21:44 Because if it doesn't, let's say we go out and go for a run. We increase the metabolic demand or the need for blood in our tissues and our muscles because they're trying to propel ourselves somewhere Well if the heart wasn't there all of the blood would flow over to the arterial side Trying to supply the tissues But since the heart is there when the blood's coming back from the veins It slows the flow So that we don't lose pressure In the system because if at all flow toward the arterioid side the vein aside would collapse And that would not be good So one of the roles of the heart is to actually slow the blood so that we can maintain that pressure in a situation where were getting high metabolic demand. The other role is that Dr. Pollack has found there's different ways to energize water

22:28 And one of them is like radiant light or infrared light which we can get from the sun. Another is contact with electromagnetic field that is the earth, that will energize the blood but another is vortexing which means swirling so if we look at everybody's seen like when water flowing through a river and it goes past a rock on either side it kind of swirls That would be vortexing and if you look at what the heart is doing as blood is flowing through it on its own Then it's actually vortexing so when the blood comes back from the veins to the heart against vortex when it flows through the valves of vortexes, when the heart contracts and actually like the muscles in harder oriented a spiral condition or way so that when i can track six spins the blood when it pushes it back out. That's about all does like its got about

23:16 15% efficiency when we think of the heart is pressure propulsion pump because all it really does. Is takes the blood from the ventricle kind of put it back out into the vena system and then arteries take over because that fourth phase water so I think that the hardest vortex and its also there to slow the flow of blood so that we don't get collapse of pressure in the system which is very interesting place a very different Role than I was taught in medical school, but it makes way more sense when we look at it that way So that's the first big concept about the heart that debunks things The second is that heart disease in general is not caused by cholesterol or high fat so I mentioned the first aspect of heart disease is the atherosclerosis the hardening of arteries and

24:03 And so that can happen when that layer of fourth phase water, the surrounding inner layer of an artery gets damaged. That can get damaged because we're exposed to a lot of toxins or because we're burning carbohydrates which is increasing the amount of free radicals that were getting in our system and various other things can actually break down Aligning that protective layer and when it gets to the lining of the artery, it can actually damage the lining of the artery. And then our body has to do something about it because we can't let an artery rupture so what it does is it takes cholesterol and some minerals like calcium things like that and it kind uses a spackle to plug up that area so there doesn't rupture

24:43 So cholesterol is not what's causing atherosclerosis or too much cholesterol in the blood is not causing atherosclerosis It can get elevated in the blood because there's inflammation that's leading to the damage of this artery so that we need more cholesterol There would be spackle. So that's the first aspect. So Atherosclerosis is caused by free radical damage toxins and free radicals being produced from eating too many carbohydrates and things like that. The second aspect is that heart attacks are not caused, or I guess the vast majority of heart attacks are not caused by acute blockages so we think of it as like this stenosis of an artery or closing off of an artery because of atherosclerosis that leads to further and further blockage of an artery around the heart

25:28 Or we think of maybe an artery does rupture and we get a clock formation that clock flows down to. And so there's some very interesting work done by a guy named brody is italian and he found that the vast majority of heart attacks had no clot Well, he found that 50% of the heart attacks and autopsies he did there was no clot there. And the ones that there was a clot, he found out the clot was a result of the heart attack not because of the heart attack. And then it was about I think like 3 1⁄2 percent where they were caused by an acute blockage but that does not account for you know the hundreds of thousands of heart attacks we see every year

26:11 So if we look at this further will find that what happens in a heart attack is actually response to. Is your body going back to a kind of more ancient response from your nervous system so our nervous system is designed too receive our environment let us know if we're in a safer threatening environment and so before. Bigger reptiles came around there was this one nervous system pathway that did that it is the biggest number of scalded or some other nucleus of the vegas nerve and sell when i got overstimulated it would shut metabolism down maybe even slow the heart rate

26:51 And this is when it was advantageous for animals to fake a death. So that was the mechanism at play there, but then as organisms got more complex and especially mammals who are much more metabolically demanding meaning we can't shut down organs like that without major consequences we can't fake death without actually causing damage and so we evolved this second pathway of the vagus nerve called the nucleus ambiguous pathway And so that is the vegas nerve, the one everybody talks about stimulating. The parasympathetic aspect of the vegas nerve you know rest and digest everybody talks about stimulating that and so

27:29 Unfortunately in today's society we're in a constant state of stress. We tend to take non-life threatening things as life threatening because we think too much, or the only species that can think our way into a stress response were very dependent on money to get us all the resources we need to live which can be very stressful to depend on this one thing if you don't have this one thing then your health and your life is threatened and so all these things can combine to overstimulate And shut down that newly evolved pathway, which is that nucleus ambiguous parasympathetic pathway. And when that gets shut down too much and we get a surge of adrenaline from a stressful response then that old pathway takes over that dorsal motor nucleus and thats the one that would cause organ systems to shutdown so... We see that in a heart cell

28:19 How the heart cells communicate you know your nervous system activity to like an individual cell in your heart is that it does that through what's called nitric oxide and if you buy doesn't have enough nitric oxide which we would get from eating a healthy diet. And having healthy endothelia, so you know the lining of your blood vessels where that nitric oxide comes from. If we don't have healthy endothelia we don't have the nitric oxide so that signal can get into the heart cell and then will get this surge in adrenaline or stress response without the ability of that parasympathetic stress response to get into the heart cell

29:01 that can cause problems. That forces the heart cells to burn carbohydrate rather than fat because it thinks it's in a stressful situation and needs to get away, and we can burn carbohydrates faster. And unfortunately when our heart cell starts to burn carbohydrate We get a buildup of lactic acid just like happens in your leg muscles You know when you go for a run? You're gonna put up a lactic acid and it starts to hurt but when that happens in the heart cell It can actually cause swelling Or do you know as we call it and that swelling can actually change the pressure in the whole system of the heart. And so if we have this well in this now forcing pressure out of the sales in the heart rather than the blood putting pressure into the cells are not like get in, and then we lose but supply to an area of the heart

29:47 We get necrosis because now there's no nutrition to that specific area of the heart where this happened and we get tissue death, which is what a heart attack is. We get an area of tissue death if that tissue death is substantial enough amount someone can die from a heart attack but it's all triggered by our stress response system And it has almost nothing to do with clots, and that's what Beraldi found. He found that anywhere there was a severe stenosis like a narrowing of an artery in the coronary artery like in the heart that the body had created a bypass around it already. Like it had created new arteries around it

30:23 And so there was all these examples in his book about men who had 90% or 95 percent stenosis of coronary arteries But we're running marathons. It's like there's no way they're running marathons on 10% to one area of their heart and So it was because of these collateral arteries that were going around it that combined with the fact that you A stressful response like this, an imbalance in our nervous system can cause these events to happen. Explain that the vast majority of heart attacks and really a small percentage of them are actually caused by any type of acute blockage so that was a long rant but there you go

30:59 No i love it that was a hell of a breakdown and just to revisit that first part, i've had a few other guests bring up dr pollack's fourth phase of water work and i was really surprised to see that chapter in your heart book funny enough if everything goes according to plan jerald pollock is my next interview too which is. You know why i think this is so interesting because This context helps to understand blood flow in the heart and that's very surprising to me. You also later in the book described the heart as a vortexing hydraulic ram, and note that even Rudolf Steiner used to say that the heart functions more like a damming up organ, that it interrupts the flow of blood

31:42 Then also this vortexing thing it seems like a pretty obscure discovery of victor schauberger the vortex in water kind of super charges that ties and with dr pollack's work and ties in with what rudolf steiner said i mean these are three, of the bright minds that i appreciate all tied into gather into this one subject that is quite crucial cuz heart disease is our number one killer and i just thought that was. Really awesome to see it all line up like that these are all these alternative people kinda saying the same sort of thing or aspects of other work, tie into the full understanding of the heart and i just think that's awesome yeah i think that one of the coolest things that i found is that the reason that vortexing energizes water is because it increases the.

32:33 contact with oxygen so i can't happening in a river like that flows past the rock is actually an error there's also oxygen coming from little bubbles and coming out of the earth from the river bed and so when it works like that its increasing me, contact with oxygen so i think it's no mistake and i cant really say anything scientific connecting to but i think it's no mistake that are vortexing organ the heart. is placed right next to our oxygen organ, the blood. And that blood from the heart goes through the lungs and then back to the heart. That just makes sense to me. Again I can't say anything that scientifically connects the two but it wouldn't surprise if that was the case. That's why that evolves that way

33:12 Yeah that makes sense it's just so interesting because i hear these people work and we always talk about man we should implement some of the stuff for a better more natural society and here it is working right in our own bodies and i guess i just overlooked that yeah amazing. It is. When we talk also so much about the cancer industry, how much money there is in chemotherapy treatments and these long drawn out processes that really just try to kill the cancer before it kills the host and you're lucky if you can survive the process and we have all these people running marathons

33:51 and wearing ribbons, and donating all this money when really in the history there are quite a few things that seem to work okay that just weren't getting FDA approval. Not surprised but The heart health industry is just as big and we don't really ever criticize that as much but how often do you hear people say oh i'm going in for a double bypass quadruple bypass getting a stint in the heart. And it's kind of the same thing then they're told oh don't eat a steak after this you know well that's kinda backwards right, Yeah, totally backwards and there's so many big studies that looked at big populations There was one that was had a heart disease center in Houston looked at 100 thousand heart surgeries over ten years bypass surgeries and their conclusion there was no benefit to these surgeries and To me it makes sense because we're all be found that you

34:42 I'll swing what brawdy did he ever been to like those body world exhibits or the animal inside out exhibits where they make a plastic cast of the arterial system of an animal or fish something like that are human. That's what you did pretty much he took their hearts, people who had heart attacks didn't have heart attacks are people just died in accident anything any side studying them so i would pump this neoprene or the substance that was liquid and then when it dried became solid plastic Any pump that into the arteries and then you take hydrochloric acid is all the way the tissue and he was left with this mold of the arteries. Have a heart.

35:19 And like i said what he found was that anywhere that there was a more than seventy percent stenosis or narrowing of an artery, like a main artery of the heart there was at least. Anywhere from sixteen to thirty collateral arteries are doing that went around it bypassed by itself so it makes sense that these bypass surgeries aren't working because the bypass is usually already there. The bodies are created itself and so When I see the research like that and then i find the work of someone like Peraldi it makes absolute sense. Indeed, so what do we do with this information? Proper blood flow relates to easy water and you mentioned ketones is there a relationship between ketones in easy water or how can we use this new understanding to then pivot towards healthy hearts

36:13 To me there's three things that people need to do to get a high-performing heart. So one is we needed reduce our oxidative stress, so I'll explain what that is. Oxidative stress is basically when we have molecules in our body there are certain molecules that can come around that we can make through the process of making energy or that we can get exogenously from like toxin exposure and they're called free radicals and that just means They have an unpaired electron and they want to be paired really badly. I tell patients that it's like the lunatic has been in devil running around like that causing damage anything they find trying to find extra electron. So they'll do that don't take it from anywhere to take it from exclusion zone water don't take it from tissue but take it for me where

36:57 We have systems in place that are designed to mitigate them. Our antioxidant system is designed to donate that electron without causing damage, but if we get too many of these free radicals that will damage the lining of the endothelia And the exclusion zone water. So that's one thing we've got to reduce the amount of oxidative stress, reduce the amount of free radicals that were exposed too so that eating a higher fat diet or making less of that exhaust so to speak and then also really reducing your exposure toxins now as far as ketones go. Ketones are something that's made when burning fat and so it actually turns out that our brain in our heart most organs

37:36 prefer to burn fat for energy if given the choice they will and When you add ketones to that mix then their efficiency increases like up to 28% so pretty impressive now when we eat a lot of carbohydrates We're training our body to burn carbohydrates as fuel And when we eat more fat, and we get into ketosis which is like the buzzword in health circles these days? We're teaching our body to burn fat and then ketones as well And so before I was talking about how we can get this surge of adrenaline or a stress response that could send us down that cascade of events that leads to a heart attack. One thing that can prevent that from happening, or make it less likely to happen is

38:18 Is that if we are fat burning, if our hearts are very good at burning fat and used to burning fat then they're less likely to convert to burning carbohydrate which will create that lactic acid. Which will create that burn like in your heart angina people feel and eventually lead to a heart attack if the stress response is high enough so being fat-burning eating high fat diet eating good fats not canola oil not vegetable oils as terrible fads What the good saturated fats from grass-fed animal products and grass-fed butter an egg yolks and things like that those are the good fats there in teacher by to burn fat. And then the third one is i've been talking about this stress response situation so you know i touched on a little bit how within our society today we're living in this

39:05 Society that really stimulates the stress response because we are taking non life threatening situations and having like threatening responses to them in our physiology this is largely the work of dr roberts polsky at stanford and he studied like the normal stress response animals in the wild. And like they don't have one. They're not thinking about anything stressful or anything like that while they're grazing on the savannah, but if something came out to chase them and try and kill them they have a stress response. And they have that response until they get away...if they get away. But once they get away, the stress response shuts down whereas we humans could have a stressful event like being in a car accident or almost in a car accident and we could be thinking about it for rest of day stressed out about it

39:51 So that really crazy imbalance in our stress your nervous system's ability to proceed if you're not stressful environment or not and so then again things like. Being so reliant on this capital society where we don't have money then your life is threatened i mean that's why we have homeless populations because our societies are dependent on money and you dont have it. You could start or become homeless things like social isolation i think the technology has a lot of to communicate very very well across long distances but also socially isolated us we're involved too being contact with humans and other animals

40:32 And the more isolated we get, there was a study done in elder people who had already had a heart attack. And those people who did not have either a close friend or spouse or pet I think it was like five times more likely to have another heart attack than people that did have those things So were definitely supposed to be in contact with other living things We're social beings and isolation is one of the biggest stimulators of that imbalance stress response The third thing I think the most important thing that people need to do for healthy hearts is rebalance their stress response and so these days we look up.

41:11 anywhere google like how to stimulate your vegas nerve you find all these different ways to do it and when i look at all those different techniques that people do its us getting back to the state we evolved in so back to nature which is very calming to nervous system. It's back in contact with people that you tried so to speak meditation yoga things like that that calms your mind, Those types of things are having a physiologic retraining of your nervous system. And that's probably the number one thing people need to do, which create healthy hearts and prevent heart attacks. Mm-hmm. In terms of stressors media is a big one too like very big on tune into the nightly news every night if you don't want to be stressed out It's also negative Oh Yeah indeed

41:58 Man this is just also eye opening especially the easy water stuff cuz you learn oh this is why infrared saunas are so good for us this is why laying out in the sun is important it's super charges the water and ourselves. What about the water we drink is there a way to make sure we're getting the best water job what do you do your board tax it do you drink spring water that's high in minerals blend it to make more bubbles I hear that increases easy. What about water yeah so me personally, i drink mineral water like buying at the store but also harvest mineral water from a spring close to me

42:40 People go to find a spring dot com they can see if there's one close to them they can get their own spring water because there is lots of vortex and happens when it comes out of your so that waters pretty structured. Pretty energized but it's also full minerals which are also very important, is he drinking water that spend demoralized then actually end up stealing minerals from your body because what i like to have minerals dissolved in it So, what I'm doing is for drinking water. I'm doing the spring water either from the store or from the spring near my house but for cooking I have a filter like if i'm using tap water and we're on a well so...I don't know If there's as many toxins as there would be in the water if that was an municipal water supply But I still filter it because you just don't know what's in the groundwater these days. I filter it but then I also vortex it

43:26 Never really drink that water straight though because it's demoralized I usually just use it for cooking and lots of times when I'm cooking its adding minerals to make bone broth with it which is gonna add a ton of minerals with it can be mineralize it. But yeah so i get most my water yes just those three sources as funny as people might drink reverse osmosis water Or extremely filtered water and think that that's as good as it gets but a lot of people consider dead water in those a lot of positive things in the water that you wanna keep and while taking out the bad, add it just gets pretty complex but one big moment i had your book was the fact that.

44:07 You know with a lot of alternative medicine and places like the Gerson Institute where people are getting treated for cancer or they come in with other serious illnesses, the first thing they do is they give you a ton of smoothies or juices. And a major factor in why that works so well other than the vitamins and nutrients is that you're getting an easy water replenishment from the cells of the fruits and vegetables And it just folds right into making a lot of sense. That was just something that I didn't know a week ago. Yeah, we mentioned like how water gets from the ground to the tops of the trees Oh It's the same thing in the plants You know The fruits and vegetables that were eating if they're fresh then they're gonna have structured water in their cells. I mean that's dr Pollack wrote another book called cells gels and engines of life And he talks about the role of this fourth phase water in the cell there was it's just absolutely fascinating So the cells of these plants also have it now? I don't know

45:06 If a plant is shipped from across the United States and it was picked two weeks before you eat it, if the energy in that plan goes down the longer its been since it's picked I don't know. But I would not be surprised because they're probably shipped in crates The plant has lost its life source, which is the earth and the structuring of it. So I wouldn't be surprised if it's lost a lot of its not only mineral content and nutrient content but also Its energy in the water in the cells Yeah so the fresher the better But yeah you mentioned juicing And yeah It's no wonder that people start to get better I mean, eventually long term they're going to have trouble with blood sugar because they're taking away all the fiber and everything. But we're putting structured water directly into the body. We're creating higher levels of physiology just by structuring the water in their bodies makes complete sense

45:53 Yeah it's not another eye opener the no pump in plants like there is no heart and a palm tree but it gets the water where needs to go all the way at the top yeah and yes just because this water kinda. Does its own thing and you also have line in the book were you say something of the effect of, Because we know easy water in our blood kind of pumps itself. This could even change our energy and Plumbing systems if we did it, right? I mean how much energy do we put into these giant water plants and plumbing systems just to get water through all our pipes where if we had Properly energized or vortexed water It would kind of push itself through the pipes And that would be just a huge

46:41 efficiency when for our society yeah i mean opportunities about if you learn to use that technology or really technology more like a discovery of water properly we could do away with dams all this hydroelectric energy having to create like. We don't need it. We don't need the river flow, we could create flow ourself or design a system where the water would flow itself and so that we don't have to destroy these ecosystems by putting up dams and things I think but we'll see if anybody gets ahold of this technology funds their research to develop devices like that Yeah it would be awesome just one city try to tackle that and then be able to study data how people who live there were affected

47:26 In terms of the ketogenic diet and getting more quality fats in our diet, I still kind of struggle with this. I end up just...I know it's not right to equate protein and fat but I almost just do. I just eat a lot of protein and hope well there is some fat in there too but that's not the right approach and I got a little list online tell me What you think you know if there's any changes you would make but this article says the ten best foods high in fat be avocados cheese dark chocolate whole eggs fatty fish nuts chia seeds and extra virgin olive oil is there something missing how would you adjust that.

48:08 The thing missing is the saturated fats from animals like red meat. I mean, it's got this major negative connotation and there is absolutely no reason for it to...I mean those people that are thriving on all red meat diets and they have been for years doesn't mean that we all should do that or that we would all thrive like they would but its gotten this bad rap and I don't understand why all these studies about how high protein will destroy your kidneys or cause heart disease. I mean, we already explained how cholesterol and narrowing of arteries won't cause a heart attack while atherosclerosis is not a good thing to have it's not going to directly lead to a heart attack but i think that that's the biggest thing that's missing from that list is that i think evolutionarily and you can look at the work of mickey bindor in tel aviv university i think humans

48:59 are pretty much designed to eat meat. We've evolved to eat plants as well, and we can do that and we can survive on plants. And there's some plants that it can be argued they're good for us but I think that the good fats from either grass-fed or wild animals and from egg yolks and butter and things like that...I think those are the fats that give us life. I think that A.) They're going to convert you to burning fat and making ketones and ketogenic more quickly But if we're so designed or evolved to burn that fat and that fat lots of times comes with protein, there's no way that protein could be bad for you. I mean humans have been eating meat for millions and millions of years and heart disease is in the epidemic that were seeing it today is

49:43 It's only maybe 200 years or so that we've seen this massive rise in heart disease. Now, there is evidence that ancient Egyptians had atherosclerosis they did like CT scans on the mummies and they found like I think it was 30-40% of them had atherosclerosis but they were farming cultured they were eating lots of different grains its very well known based on their culture that they didn't eat meat that much wasn't a huge part of diet And so that's the big thing missing there is that people really need to get over this meat or this animal fat or saturated fat causes heart disease and it is bad for you. It's probably one of the best as long as from a wild or grass fed very naturally raised animal. Well said I thought that exactly what she might bring up in the back from animals and butter as well do have a problem with cheese or dairy?

50:40 Well, this is kind of near and dear to me because if we look at the mechanism of autoimmune disease. A lot of it can be that there's a molecular mimicry so basically i can get leaky gut which means that things in my intestines are leaking into the bloodstream before they're supposed to because there's holes in my gut And there are certain molecules in foods that have been linked with certain autoimmune diseases. One of them is gluten for thyroid disease or hypothyroid like Hashimoto's hypothyroidism and so if some of those gluten molecules leak into the bloodstream when they're not supposed to, and then your body has an autoimmune reaction to them because they're not supposed to be there well some of those look just similar enough to cells in the thyroid that your body also attacks the thyroid

51:24 So for me it hits close to home because casein protein found in dairy looks very similar to beta cells in the pancreas that make insulin. And so I think that at some point of my life, I probably had pretty severe leaky gut and I definitely had all kinds of dairy pasteurized dairy which was already damaged protein when I was a kid and I think that It's very likely that some of those proteins leaked into my bloodstream My body attacked that casein protein and then also attack the beta cells in my pancreas. So that's not to say that No one should have dairy obviously a certain percentage of the population has evolved to eat dairy because we have that lactase persistence but then other people are lactose intolerance because they don't have that lactase persistence and so they can't do that, but I

52:09 I think that humans are still evolving. And i think that some of us have evolved to handle dairy just fine, if we get raw grass-fed dairy that can be a very nutrient dense food source for us and a good source of fat but others of us may do better staying away from it. how long your ancestors have been using milk as a food source because there were certain areas of the world where it became necessary and there are other areas in the world where it wasn't. And so, its really hard to trace your genetic line these days and figure that out but maybe one day we'll have some sort of testing that could tell us that. I think we're getting pretty close but if I was going to do elimination diet and figure out what foods were triggering people, I would not include dairy and then having them add it back and see if they did well with it

52:54 Yes i hope my ancestors have been doing it for a while cuz i have quite a day rejection more so i can give up sugar lot easier than i could give up dairy i think and. So, with the ketogenic diet I hear about it on a lot of podcasts and it almost seems like you already have diabetes with all the blood monitoring and the daily attention to detail and biohacking that is involved with people who are really into the ketogenic diet. I just don't know that kind of monitoring stuff is something I could keep up with and it doesn't have to be that way as long as your eating the right things you can probably forego all the insane monitoring but

53:34 How do you feel about ketone supplements or pills, or taking them in that form? I'm always cautious about any supplement. I think that they can be useful exogenous ketones if i had someone come to me and was at terrible risk for having a heart attack and really wanted to immediately increase the function of their heart Exogenous ketones can help your body get into that fat burning mode quicker but that's not something I want somebody to rely on for a long time I want to teach their body through diet to make those ketones themselves. But that's the only time i would ever use them and oftentimes, I think that these supplements that we have are people use them as not excuses but they don't eat as well as they should or they stray from keto and then they use these things to get back into keto it's like this little hack they can do. And I'm not a fan of that because

54:24 I mean if you read health evolution and i think that it for all making the best decisions possible for our house is actually better for the planet. People to rely on things like that will keep them living this destructive lifestyle in the mail what happened way back to their help make sense does it does people really should look for local food sources i tried to, on the show give people as many options as we can but its a national audience worldwide audience then That's kind of what we're trying to get away from is some kind of supply that makes it nationwide because it's just not the right way. But I'm sure there are local meat producing farms in your area, I'm sure there's plenty of subscription based fruit and vegetable baskets you can get from local farms in your area and it just takes a couple of Google searches and you could really make a huge impact

55:20 and doing that, and save yourself precious time because they send it right to your house. That's right. I mean farmers markets obviously there are farmers markets everywhere and obviously you're having to deal with things in season but that is the way we should be eating anyways but also there is a good website eatwild.com where you can go look for all like the places where you can get grass fed and pastured animal products close to farms near you that you can go to and get them from Cool eat well dot com that's when i did not know about so awesome and of course you have these two books both of them are really great i enjoyed reading through them both, is there anything else people should know about your website or anything before i cut you loose me and you have this coaching going on it is quite reasonable price wise.

56:05 Yeah so i mean every source of health dot com is where im doing my health coaching but also working on a blog there that i'm working on trying to put out interesting things and then i'm working on developing courses. So what about the heart one about evolution in like mastering evolution to achieve help and then probably want about autoimmunity as well Working on those is i'm trying to get as many different avenues for people to hear the message and improve their health you know whether they like to read a book or listen to podcasts where do the house coaching or do online courses like. I need as many ways out there's possible so i'll have those website hopefully figure how to do it soon but that's what working on now and then yeah try to make your website a place where does made every resources as possible so be doing ebooks and things like that can find all kinds of information there

56:56 Awesome man yeah build that business it's a noble thing is a great way to make a living we all have to make a living you can either be a cog in the big machine or find some way too. You know live the path you wanna live bring out your true self and your expertise and kind of fight back against it while still being able to pay the bills i mean we're not gonna change the whole system we can only change our position in how we react to it so that's great. Yeah show people a way to do it as well that's one goal for me indeed cheers to that So right on man, well I definitely learned a lot. Congrats on the very difficult task of changing your own bad habits and overcoming much of the big machine throughout your own personal research and commitment. I know it's not easy and thanks for paying it forward! Yeah man thanks for having me on this has been a blast You got it best of luck out there you too

57:55 Sweet mother Mary of the mushroom people, Dr. Stephen Hussey bringing all sorts of fun stuff to the table and I hope you had a good time! I know when dr Hussey contacted me and sent over his books And i saw The Fourth Phase Of Water was a chapter in his heart book...I knew it was going to be worth getting into. This ties right back to the water alchemy episode with Shemangineer And understanding this about the body is really interesting to me. That this negatively charged structured water is what actually is in our cells, and that it's this negative charge that helps the blood move through our veins...is pretty mind-blowing to me!

58:40 It's energy, it's motion with very few ingredients because it makes so much sense. It speaks to magnetism and charge and these sorts of ether physics principles being right there in plain sight. It explains why sunlight helps with blood flow and why saunas and infrared light are so good for us. It's like the things Victor Schauberger was on being right in the body in some of our most fundamental systems Because honestly, it is pretty illogical to think that the heart is responsible for pumping blood through thousands of different channels and then back again. And with heart disease being such a killer this understanding goes a long way in flipping the script on Heart Health

59:30 And it's this type of thinking, this simple natural holistic type of perspective that leads to flying saucers. I'm serious! I absolutely think it is why we are not taught about blood in this way or why they don't teach easy water in school because anti-gravity properties are probably not that complex The Flying Saucer Pi is really just made up of natural magnetism, something-something rotation and using the environment. And for example the fact that the Earth has a net negative charge to engineer a repelling force to that and there is more than one way to get there too check out some of these alternative science conferences you know everyone asks me why I don't go to conspiracy conferences anymore

1:00:26 And I just say, well you can go to ether conferences or secret science tesla conferences and see people working on the very stuff that conspiracy conferences are still debating the existence of. Man! I didn't expect to go so far into this tangent so quickly but i just think it's another example of the scientific paradigm being twisted and warped and complexified And all these obstacles worked around to come up with an explanation that doesn't reveal the simple universal truths in our environment and how they work. So I really liked this show, and we focused on the heart quite a bit because of this stuff. We didn't get too deep into his health evolution book until the second half which as i said people here will have mixed feelings about using a term like evolution

1:01:25 But I look for ways to agree with people rather than looking for points of difference to focus on and hammer home. So if we just think of his advice as in line with the natural systems of the environment, that's what i'm after he calls it evolution but what he's looking at is how humans synced up with their environment for hundreds of thousands of years before we tried to take shortcuts and beat the thing into submission I mean that's really what agriculture was, it was game in the system and it definitely had consequences. But I like the idea of looking back to the past and working with our knowledge of our ecosystem to engineer abundance and all that good stuff. The idea of going back to nature but bringing our modern technology with it is what I thought was attractive about The Venus Project initially

1:02:22 Sure, the proposed vision of Jacque Fresco is all controlled by a central AI. But if you can get past that the models looked quite nice! So I really like where Dr Hussie's focus is We didn't get to touch on this but in his book he even talks about little tricks of language that have screwed us up so bad Like our multiple meanings for the word fat We think eating fat equals getting fat, but in most other languages they have completely different words for dietary fat and becoming fat. So they don't get tripped up on that one equals the other element Also if someone is unclean we call them dirty But the dirt is what makes us healthy in a lot of ways so just the words we use sometimes screw up our understanding of things that are actually good for us

1:03:15 We have this subconscious aversion because of our language. By accident or design, I don't know but it ain't good! Anyway it's nice to be getting a show out for May. I know we're a little late to the May party both me and my special lady had family come in town and I've also had some back-end work that needed attention But we're here now and I am psyched about what's coming. In fact, I can now safely say that Dr Pollock is our next guest! All right we did it it's happening and while we did retread a little bit of ground from today once we get past the introductory stuff

1:04:00 and I got into some questions that Shaman Jinnir gave me, Dr. Pollock shares some things and goes to places i did not expect him to go! And it's really exciting but that's mostly in the plus show because that's just the way conversations work but he did mention that maybe he said too much which is always music to my ears... So get ready had I actually recorded a show with dr pollack before this one I might have switched up where our focus was, but sometimes with these really big names that i don't think i'm ever going to be able to talk to directly we have to talk to other people about their work. Call it the THC insurance policy but regardless we do a little double dip in this month! But i hope people think this information is so interesting that's fine. Next week's plus show is really something to behold

1:04:59 And I probably shouldn't even say that. You know, I shouldn't overhype the thing because that always ruins everything right? No one likes going into a movie that all your buddies have said oh this is 10 out of 10 for sure! You watch it and you're like... It's good its alright but doesn't live up to expectations because you saw last and other people like me built it up But I'm happy about it. Your gonna like it I think But today's Plus show is great too. We talked about how our pets keep us healthy, wild versus domestic fruits and vegetables? I mean you hear that all the time with animals but this actually comes into play with plant life as well of course you got to give a little dedication to the modern EMF soup that we're living in and what it's doing to our bodies if you're going to do a health show it's gotta be there

1:05:54 We talked about what Dr. Hussey calls the selfish solution, new and exotic healing technologies and The Good Doctors health coaching success stories so treat yourself of course a podcast like ours is going to have way more free listeners than paid it's like 1 in 20 actually get the full show but man it would drive me crazy if I thought the first hour was good enough and valuable enough and then not get that second hour. I mean, look, I'm not trying to drive anyone crazy but i think i put more time into preparation and more time dedicated to editing than so many other podcasts and i just think it's worth eight bucks sign up at the higher side chats plus dot com even for just a month or two and see for yourself that the full episodes are definitely worth your time you can always cancel

1:06:53 And I'd rather you shoot me one or two $8 tips, download a bunch of your favorite shows and then cancel than never hear them at all. But that said the joint session this month is on the 20th It's Monday it's Victoria Day in Canada and we're gonna be drinking little drinks smoking a little smoke and turning the THC stage over to the fine people who listen The last one was about three hours, maybe even more. And we got some great stuff and I know a lot more people wanted to talk but it's just the nature of the beast A lot of people answered my call that our previous one was pretty light and i also got the YouTube thing going so we had a lot of people and in that situation were just never gonna get everyone

1:07:46 I'm sorry about that. I've gotten some emails from people who have taken that quite personally, but don't! I don't know any of you so how could i really single you out to be ignored? You know it's like if you attend the Price is Right but you don't get picked It's not because Drew Carey has some kind of problem with you But those folks hopefully I'll get to you next time I appreciate everyone who listens. I have the best job in the world, and i try to take it quite seriously and produce a good show for you so I hope you think that is still happening

1:08:23 Good useful show today, big Dr. Pollack interview coming up next and many other good things on the calendar so I'll see you then! Big thanks to Dr. Hussey check him out for his consultations and coaching if you need a little extra push And big congrats to Denver for decriminalizing magic mushrooms I've done my part. Your move, heart health hiders corporate glyphosate-soaked monocrop perpetuators and deceivers of our sickness system your fucking move. I won't take it no i refuse if it's all right i'll keep my refuge i've been scheming a bigger things and have to leave my old life behind gotta transfer to the inner earth i built a box build a hole gotta need

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