Dr. Joseph P. Farrell | Microcosm & Medium: The Cosmic Implications Of Mind Control Tech

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00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. 1930s President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the fireside chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times From 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation I'm Greg Carlwood These are the Hireside Chats. Happy days are here again, Hireside Chatters as we all wade through a thick electromagnetic soup of signals determined to focus in on the one that matters because it does seem like we're at a point in time where policy and technology are synergistically sucking life out of life and attempting to replace it with mechanical AI-controlled dystopian nightmares

01:53 We see it in social media, the GMO steamroll of the world's food supply, the funding of computer-based common core curriculum in schools, CRISPR gene splicing, smartphone obsession and pretty much everywhere you look. But if anything gives me hope its that empires have been attempting to beat down the human spirit for centuries probably since the beginning of time and yet here we are It seems that maybe dismantling and replacing the cosmic order and realities design might be a bit harder than the nefarious few had bargained for, but that doesn't stop the esoteric tug-of-war from carrying on. And it won't stop us from resisting

02:32 That said, a key component to understanding the big picture and recognizing the deeper motivations of the Capstone Cabals is an esoteric and cosmological context that one has to travel pretty far off the beaten path of modern western world to find. It's just not something you'll hear discussed in the rapid-fire circus of cable news networks or in the discourse of arrogant atheistic academics. But without the right frame, the picture will never be complete And fleshing out this framework is exactly what today's returning guest Joseph P. Farrell has done with his latest book, Microcosm and Medium The Cosmic Implications and Agenda of Mind Control Technologies. And he's just the guy to do it too as his doctorate in patristics from Oxford University and his long history of folding in exactly this type of context to a wide array of subjects has served him well

03:24 You can find his ongoing examination and commentary of this weird world at his website gizadeathstar.com, and in the ongoing collection of books he's written now well over two dozen in number! And with that let's light the torch for his fifth time on The Higher Side, The Man, The Myth, The Legend one my favorite names in the game Dr Joseph P Farrell welcome back to The Higher Side Thanks for having me back Greg despite all our scheduling problems you were very patient putting up with that Oh, no worries man. It is definitely worth it because your work is so unique and I'm as excited as ever to have you here to talk about some incredible subjects as we have over the years! We've got started with Babylon's Banksters and Financial Alchemy... ...we talked about Common Core Schooling, your Cosmic War Hypothesis, The Hesse Mess all in previous entries but as for today

04:18 I think the back of Microcosm and Medium says it better than i could. It reads, in this latest book Joseph P Farrell examines the subject of mind control from a very unusual perspective showing that its basic underlying philosophy and goal is not only cosmological in nature but that the cosmology in view is very ancient and that mind control of any sort from the arts to hypnosis remote electromagnetic technologies and electroencephalographic dictionaries has cosmic implications. That sets the stage pretty well, but maybe you could elaborate a bit to kick us off and flesh out what separates this book from most other mind-control subject matter?

05:00 Well, that's relatively easy to summarize. There is a burgeoning literature on mind control and most of that literature it's in the form of blogs other books and so on if focuses mostly if not exclusively on the techniques and technologies of mind control but I take the approach that mind control like right up there says has underlying cosmology to it And that cosmology is very, very ancient. It's basically based on the idea that the cosmos is the product of a divine reason and therefore the cosmos has its own kind of grammar if you will of handling information

05:50 And once you know that grammar than any technology or technique that you apply to manipulate other people's thoughts are emotions are decision taking processes and so on is going to have some sort of cosmological implication. And the other component of this is that most mind control research, as far as I'm concerned or was able to determine never talks about the arts and the arts whether we like it or not are always in some form or fashion a technique or technology of manipulation of human passions and thoughts.

06:30 The difference being that up to a certain point in our history in the West, I'd say up to say the tail end of the 18th century was based with a consciousness that was grounded in that cosmology. In other words they knew when you were composing music or painting pictures and so on that you were dabbling in cosmological things at some point during the 19th century, all of that cosmology gets jettisoned and artistic expression becomes a personal expression rather than a universal thing. And so people tend to lose the idea that the arts are form of mind manipulation even though many artists still practice it in actual practice. So you know its very complex subject but that essentially is the difference

07:24 That is a great summary and you write about how all these ideas are kind of tied up in our changing concepts of consciousness and creativity. And you say, Creativity increasingly comes to be defined as originality and hence the more one breaks with nature and this tradition the more one is original and creative right And I like that because you can see how the yields in today's culture were seeded a long time ago. Oh yeah, my favorite way to approach this and i spent a lot of time in the book is through music You know, I was brought up trained on pipe organs and then later harpsichords so you know I have kind of exposure to baroque classical era music

08:10 And if you look at the cosmology that those composers were familiar with, and I point this out in some other books as well. Thrice Great Hermetica and The Janus Age for example their cosmology They were rooted in a tradition where the role of the composer or the artist was not to express their personal or subjective emotions but rather, to embody certain musical procedures which would conjure passions that were universal to human nature rather than a personal expression. So you see a tremendous shift

08:50 Right at the end of the eighteenth century as you're entering the romantic era in the arts where music and literature and painting become a personal expression rather than an expression of this more universal tradition. And, as a result of that Art begins to quickly degenerate. Just consider the fact that at the beginning of the 19th century you have Beethoven, and at the end of the 19th century what do you have in music? Well you have Debussy, you have Arnold Schoenberg... You have all these wild experiments the so-called high music becomes unlistenable because it's so personal, it's so individualized and oftentimes very ugly that you lose the object itself. You lose the traditions. So there is a tremendous shift that happens in those 100 years during 19th century and we're kind of living with after effects today because Leonard Bernstein made

09:49 I think pertinent observation in his 1973 Norton Lectures on poetry and music. And his observation was that the universal musical tradition more or less moved out of the high culture and into popular culture. So in other words, he views people like The Beatles and so on as preserving or attempting to preserve some aspect of that more universal tradition in popular music whereas you know the so-called high brow music just becomes ugly and unlistenable

10:25 So you have another split that occurs as a result of all this. But behind all of the split is the absence of that cosmology, which was very old and had obtained since ancient times. religions or that religions today are just shells of their origin i've talked to guests about how in the jen's were involved in the past obviously cathedral building and you mentioned organs they're very tied in with religious music and then monks chanting just this whole idea of trying to facilitate a spiritual experience using all the tools in the box, and then no today thats just kind of absent.

11:08 It's absent, and it's absent for a very complex set of reasons. But one of them since you mentioned religion is that During the post-war period after World War II, most of the churches within the West and I would also include Judaism in the sense that most of these religious institutions underwent deliberate processes of self destruction of their liturgies and rituals of worship. They tried to update they tried to modernize it as a result they created something so ugly they emptied the pews people just quit going

11:47 and they changed their confessional doctrinal positions by essentially throwing them out. We're living with kind of a wholesale assault on most of the cultural pillars, and as you say what it's resulted in is we don't have an art or music or literature that expresses anything transcendent as a matter of course. You still have that, but you know they're by far and away the exception to the rule rather than being the rule as it used to be so there's a lot going on but the important point to note again is all this is a technique of mind manipulation

12:30 Yeah and what's really interesting is we'll get into obviously on our side of the pond we always talk about the negative sides that but i'm manipulation can be used to inspire as well we've all heard that right you know you should listen a classical music more or when your studying people put headphones on the mom stomach so the baby can hear it no these are Probably the wrong approaches, but they're getting at something that is quite real and maybe how could we use this say Baroque era music to our advantage because it is still in existence even though It's not being made today. Well, it can be made You know I compose some pieces back in the 1990s myself This is kind of academic exercises to show that you can still compose in that style

13:19 And create something original so it can be done is that nobody wants to do it and the reason why. I think is rather interesting and that is if you listen to the music of The Box or Buxtehude, or any of these Baroque era masters. Even Mozart was trained in this so you can listen to some of Mozart's organ music he didn't write very much but what he did compose for the instrument are just phenomenal pieces of music One of the things that is very common to that music is that it is contrapuntal music. It's got several lines of melody taking place at the same time and making harmonious sense

14:03 There's a piece I mentioned in that book by Bach, A Setting of the Lutheran Mass. That is written in no less than 10 independent tracks of music all taking place at the same time and the modern musical listener is used to listening to one melody and it's propped up by a bunch of chords with a jungle drumbeat going on background so in other words we've dumbed down our listening ability So that it's very difficult for people to listen to Baroque era music on both a horizontal and vertical plane. And today we tend to listen just completely vertically, and you know it suffers kind of loss of dimensionality becomes one dimensional but you know thats putting as simplistically as possible but I grew up

14:52 As I say, I grew up playing organ and then later harpsichord. So...I can tell people for an absolute fact that when you're studying an instrument like that where you're using your hands and feet doing so simultaneously it's literally rewiring the brain to be able to think on several levels all at the same time and to coordinate them all So even that, we're kind of missing that discipline. And the cosmology of it again figures into this because if you look at what a cathedral is its a cruciform figure and its a three dimensional analog

15:32 of a tesseract, of a hypercube. So we can get into some very esoteric physics once we start talking about all this because it really is kind of hybrid dimensional music. It's music on several tracks at the same time Yeah and we can kind of see why we don't have this anymore because it's hard to have absolute rule over a populace that repeatedly and routinely inspired by the divine yeah that's the kinda stuff that. Inspires people to fight back or do you know have ideas bigger than themselves and exact? I'll be true heroes Well what we have today is we have today. You know this subjective turn in the arts was really a turn towards narcissism

16:20 So, you know today it's all about self-expression and everybody is self expression as valid as anyone else. And so what you have is a result of that kind of breakdown standards in all the arts not just music but pretty much across the board there's an interesting YouTube video out that was put up by Prager University called Why Is Modern Art So Bad? And the commenter makes the observation that the Museum of Modern Art in Los Angeles paid tens of millions of dollars, some absurd figure for a rock. You know because that was art! Well I'm sorry you know a rock is not art. Michelangelo's David? That's art but... A rock in its natural state may be beautiful but don't need to spend 10 million dollars for it put into museum

17:13 And on and on it goes, you know. We've basically created a narcissistic culture and we pander to it in the arts and at some point its going to break down because ultimately that kind of self-expression becomes so individualistic that your not communicating anything of universal significance to anybody else Yeah you do right about the cia's manipulation of the art scene and i've heard other content related to, the financials of that certain people would buy like a jackson pollock and for cheap price and then promote it through all their media.

17:56 and then elevate the price, and people would just like sheeple can be. Just say oh well I guess it is art and then i'm gonna buy it! And there's actually a lot of money laundering in wealth creation that can come from just that yeah of course there is and it's interesting you know the CIA was instrumental in promoting this modernist movement particularly in music and the visual arts in the 1950s and promoting essentially what I have to be quite honest and say is just plain ugliness. But you see the opposite thing happening in the Soviet Union, particularly under Stalin and his guru of the arts Zhdanov was his name And they were trying to promote what they called socialist realism basically decreeing that he had to write a certain kind of music within certain parameters

18:48 So, Soviet composers – you stop and think of people like Shostakovich or Prokofiev and so on. They wrote this wonderful music but they wrote it under stipulation that they had to follow certain procedures and certain rules but nonetheless they were able to create some genuine art out of it. In this country the CIA is promoting Arnold Schoenberg and Igor Stravinsky and Jackson Pollock and all sorts of stuff. And another thing that I thought was interesting is you draw some pretty interesting parallels between art and transhumanism. If you look at paintings and sculptures that were hyper realistic and full of divine proportion versus the abstract figures of cubism or like a Picasso, where the human form is warped and distorted it is an application of transhumanist ideas into the world of art and painting right? Yeah I definitely think so

19:45 because what happens is, and I use the famous painting of nude descending a staircase by Marcel Duchamp. And then I juxtapose that with some of the prints of Moritz Escher that we're probably all familiar with you know other worlds relativity things like this and what emerges when you compare the two is that in Escher's vision of the modern world he gets several perspectives that occur on a common surface, but they don't lose their ability to communicate a real object. In other words it's still grounded in recognizable reality with Duchamp with the nude descending staircase you can barely make out the human figure because what happened is the technique has become all powerful

20:36 Add to such an extent it really becomes kind of the fake leaf that disguises the new just sending a staircase. If asher had done that you would have seen a nude you know i would've been very probably clear So there's a lot that is going on and again it is this subjective turn plus the self-promotion of the CIA and then the billionaire busybodies as I like to call them, that promote all this ugliness. And you know there is no reason we have to do things that way and the reason why people need to latch onto this and they can latch onto what were saying very easily and thats by considering film music

21:17 because a composer of film music is still operating, whether they like it or not. Or whether they're even aware of it or not I suspect some are and then I suspect others aren't They're still operating with that cosmological view that certain harmonies certain procedures in music certain instrumentation Is going to conjure certain more-or-less universal passions and responses within human beings. And that's, you know... You can tell that they're doing this when you pay attention to the music that is in films. Think of the Star Wars films for example and John Williams and his musical score for those films where the emotions are very clearly being manipulated by the music

22:02 So that art does persist and it would be difficult for us to imagine film music being accompanied with, let's say Arnold Schoenberg or somebody like that. You know you wouldn't be able to watch the film for very long. Yeah, film music is a great example So when we're trying to pin down elite agendas, it can sometimes be really hard because we don't have the understanding of their worldview. Their framework of reality is just not something that's taught us in school so it really is a lot of reverse engineering and you kind of talked about that a little bit but maybe we can get into the esoteric physics of it? That underlying philosophy may be all summed up with microcosmism as the term

22:51 Well, the ancients had the view and it's a very interesting view because it is almost coming back full circle. The ancients had the view that the cosmos first of all was not a machine but was a living organism and you see this turn towards the machine view of the cosmos circa the 17th and then early 18th century, people like Newton, Descartes and so on where you begin to get this very mechanistic worldview. And it comes to predominate in the sciences and eventually by the end of 19th century in the arts as well

23:31 But what's very interesting is that the ancient view was that man himself was a microcosm of the macrocosm. In other words, man was at the exact center of the cosmos and not in an Earth-centric way but rather that man was the center of the cosmos because he was the bridge between the material and spiritual, so on and so forth. And you see this view returning in modern physics with the so-called anthropic principle of modern physics

24:08 And it's interesting because physicists have discovered that when you look at the scale of things in the universe, all the way from viruses and microbes up to galactic clusters. If you look at this scale of things in the universe mankind stands almost dead center in terms of the size that he represents so again we have this very ancient idea returning And this turn towards the mechanical part of the universe, towards a purely materialistic view of the universe and hence mankind is to me also part of this problem. Because again if you look at the Baroque era music theory treatises in the Baroque era borrowed terminology heavily from alchemy. Why alchemy? Well it's because alchemy if you look at it

25:05 way is a way of processing information and doing so analogically. And this is what you find in their music, they take a certain little bit of musical information and they subject it to... think of JS Bach for example They subject that little bit of musical information to endless permutations you know, they turn it upside down. They put it backwards. They stretch out in time. They speed up the time and so on and so forth So its a way of manipulating information You're listening to kind of musical alchemy And that's coming out this cosmology where the universe is viewed primarily as kinda organism A very complex system Kind of biological system composed subsystems that are also complex

25:56 And when you look at the scientists of the era, they're viewing things in a very different way. They're viewing the universe as kind of a big machine and nothing more so you've got that clash that's been happening and eventually it comes to dominate the arts where the abstraction in our cubism begins to take over, the technique begins to take over the humanity. So in a certain sense you've got also kind of nihilism involved I think in lot of modern art and, in a lot of the processes of mind manipulation because what they're trying to do as you pointed out your introduction is it's a kind of assault on humanity per se

26:41 And I really think this microcosm is a much more elegant worldview than what we have today. It's almost a magical one with the whole as above so below principle, and that's interesting because that's a viewpoint that people are almost afraid of today. Well they should be because you're absolutely correct to point this as above so below principle out because what really is at stake here is something that comes from quantum mechanics and that's the role of the observer. In quantum mechanics, the uncertainty principle holds that you cannot measure the position and momentum have an electron at the same time so before you even take a measurement your determining the result

27:34 of your measurement before you even take it depending on what you want to measure so that like it or not has a cosmological implication it puts mankind front and center in this observer affected universe. And once she recognized that fact then any technique of the manipulation of the mind of the observer is going to have a cosmological effect. This is why I think people are kind of viscerally afraid of this, because they recognize or they sense that this stuff does have a very dangerous cosmic potential

28:14 Yes, I wrote down the quote from the book. If one can manipulate the minds of the observers of man what is at the center of the cosmos then one can perhaps manipulate the cosmos itself It's like the mind is a gateway to the whole cosmos Right it is and this is something again that I think the ancients all the way up to The 18th century in the arts knew and knew very well that any expression of art was a manipulation of human nature and hence that which is universal to us all. And therefore it had cosmological significance, and you dared not enter into that field without knowing the craft first of all, and knowing it well, and knowing what could do. Secondly without entering into it without a great deal humility

29:12 And this, you know... This again is what's absent once you turn to the 19th century with this subjective turn because Again what you're saying is that every personal expression is as valid as any other Personal expression and therefore it becomes narcissistic and self-centered. You begin to impose purely subjective personal views of the world on everybody else through your art and with that comes the commensurate loss of anything universal in the culture at large and culture itself begins to break down as we're seeing clearly today so yeah this is very dangerous stuff, add to this the mechanisms of science and the ability to manipulate the mind

30:05 and interfere with it directly through processes like hypnosis or advertising, you know we take that for granted. Or the hard types of mind manipulation through remote electromagnetic stimulation and so on and so forth yeah all these things in my opinion Greg have tremendous cosmological implications Absolutely i agree and that is some great context for the world view and how it's been used in the arts, and to hone in harder on my manipulation itself in the book you take the nefarious american nazi mk ultra research that spend talk today.

30:45 and contrast it with some of that Soviet Psy research that I'm sure people are way less familiar with. And as you mentioned, it was far less based in negativity, it seems right? But what is the deal there? What were their projects about? Well, the Soviet Union, you know, it's kind of an irony that the Soviet Union had all of these for want of a better expression super secret projects in the paranormal And to a certain extent, this is in opposition to its own Marxist materialism. I think it's coming as much out of the Russian soul as it is out of Marxism but they were doing some breathtaking experiments in telekinesis and the remote viewing and telepathy

31:36 between subjects thousands of miles away and they were doing this with some success. They were experimenting as well with electromagnetic approaches to medicine, disease and healing and so on and so forth. In other words this was a very comprehensive project inside the Soviet Union strides every bit as significant as our own remote viewing program in this country and so on that we are more familiar with. And they discovered something that is very, very crucial and that is if the organism is fundamentally held together by an electromagnetic field

32:21 then it became possible to manipulate the entire organism through electromagnetic harmonies and templates, and so on. So we're square back to the arts once again once we say this. And I think this is the reason that you see Stalin in particular devoting such attention after World War II to exercising some control over the arts because there was this recognition that this stuff was very, very dangerous. It had cosmic implications but what they were doing you know they were making experiments with their cosmonauts who they discovered had an enhanced telepathic ability once they were out of the gravity well of the earth and this is something that has also been mentioned from time to time with western astronauts so all these things are occurring

33:14 and it really didn't even break Greg out into the open until about the mid 1970s when the Soviets began to open up to their western counterparts and inviting them over for conferences inside the Soviet Union where they finally began reveal some of their research. One aspect of this research that I think is very significant is a so-called psychotronic research these strange objects that were designed and built inside the Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia, that were just bizarre looking. I mean this strange looking stuff that were designed to manipulate emotions and they discovered that you could imprint an intentionality into these objects and that imprinted intentionality would affect the field

34:08 in which the objects were placed. And you know that sounds nuts, well there's an American scientist materials professor of material science at the University of California by the name of Dr William Tiller who conducted experiments and I mentioned these in the book as well who conducted experiments on a group intentionality being able to affect the pH levels in organism, the acidity or lack thereof in organisms and to affect the gestation period of fruit flies. In other words he was aiming to test intentionality by measurable differences and again he did this exact same thing. He tried to imprint this intentionality into a physical object, an amulet basically is what we're talking about folks

35:01 you know, amulets with spells inscribed upon them and so on and so forth. But putting it to the scientific test... And lo and behold he discovered that this was possible! That she could through sheer intentionality alter the fabric of a macrocosmic thing like the pH levels of acidity in organisms So fascinating research and again dovetailing and kind of corroborating what the Soviets did. So this stuff is out there And again, it speaks to this cosmological implication that this could be very dangerous. Enter this realm at your own risk. Yeah I mean it's definitely very powerful but of course these are tools we shouldn't just leave to the nefarious few because they kind of have a monopoly on them right now

35:53 And I also wanted to ask you about that curious fact you mentioned about psychic abilities tend to enhance in the upper atmosphere, or I guess the further you get away from the earth. What does that say to you about our situation? Well... crawl way off of the end of the twig here on this one because bluntly what it says to me is that there's a relationship between consciousness and gravity or if you will, between consciousness and mass. And that's going to sound just absolutely nutty new age stuff but I definitely think that there is some sort of relationship between consciousness in physics and again we're going back to this microcosmic idea that the ancients had that man was a microcosm he was literally a little universe

36:47 in that he has all the basic elements of the universe at large in his physical and spiritual being. Again, he's a topological common surface between the immaterial and material realms and thus stands almost dead center again of reality so that's what it says to me that consciousness is a principle the wider cosmology. It is squarely part of the ancient idea that, again, the universe is a product of some sort of transcendent reason it's not just this chaotic product of accidental random chemical processes and so on and so forth there's a grammar to it there's a structure to it and you violate or enter into that structure at your own peril

37:46 And it's a highly, I should stress this as well. It is a highly analogical view of the way that information in the universe is handled and again you know this is the way we think. We move from known contexts of knowledge to unknown context of knowledge by drawing analogies from things that we do know to things that we don't know You know, you see this process at work in Plato. You see it at work in Aristotle. You certainly see it at work and the medieval philosophers and theologians be they Christian or Islamic or Jewish and so on So you certainly see it taking place And even get this cosmology expressed in a very pithy way In the Bhagavad Gita where it talks about The Field and The Knower of The Field

38:33 It's a kind of breathtaking affirmation of this observer-oriented cosmos that we're living in. Well said. See, I was thinking about some of the work that you've done on the prospect of an ancient cosmic war and that Treaty of Versailles template and post-war limitations and thinking hey maybe there's mental constraints on this planet as well as physical ones. Yeah! Ah ha! Well yeah there are... And you know i don't talk about those publicly but yeah you've put your finger right on it because if you look at classical doctrines of the fall of man, it's always expressed and couched in cosmological terms. And part of that fall if you look at...and it's a kind of literature that is not very well known to most people but if you look at the monastic literature or spirituality that you find in some of the church fathers they will come right out and say

39:34 that these psychic abilities humans have are proper to the human nature. That in other words everybody has some sort of ability like this but they also caution that because of the fall you have to be very careful in using it Because it is also a way for evil spiritual influences to enter into an individual's life and for that matter, into the cosmos at large. So yeah there's definitely that aspect of things that's going on

40:10 Gosh, it's so frustrating to not even understand where or who we are or what we're dealing with for implications for something that we just don't have context for. It's frustrating! Well it's frustrating Greg and I'll tell you why... You know in a certain sense I think that this culture war that we see heating up is really a war that has been designed to cut everybody off from the core traditions of this civilization so that people are just no longer aware of it. There's been this almost total blackout of things and to give you the example, let's go back to music once again just to give you a small example of what I'm talking about here

40:59 I mentioned before that in the 18th century, the music theorists borrowed terminology and their music theory treatises very heavily from alchemy. They had a whole doctrine of this cosmology and how it was to be expressed—how you express certain very specific things in terms of musical procedures And that whole cosmological application of all this in music even had a name, it was called Effektenlehrer, the doctrine of the effects in music. You used that doctrine not only to compose music but to interpret it. In other words you used it to determine how you were going to perform it

41:46 So, you know I was fortunate enough when i studied the organ to have studied with a German fellow that was steep in that tradition. So when I sat down to learn a Bach fugue for example the first thing he would ask me is well is this fugue subject masculine or feminine or androgynous? That's one of the first things that he would ask me and I'd have to explain why I thought it was one of those three things And if you go to the modern academy and study music, I can guarantee you 99% of the time a professor particularly if they're trying to teach you the music of that era will not make any reference to that doctrine at all. Okay? Because again they haven't themselves been exposed to it

42:43 and it changes the way that the music is interpreted, and therefore it changes the way that you listen to it. So in other words, that's just one very small example. Now imagine spreading that example out to include all of the disciplines—philosophy, religion, science, and so on and so forth There's been this wholesale attempt and effort to cut people off from any tradition of human expression that predates the Enlightenment. In other words, they've wanted to narrow everything down to a purely humanistic foundation and nothing else. And that will affect the wider culture it will affect

43:32 a kind of mind manipulation in people so that when somebody like me comes along and says well there's this whole other thing out there you gotta pay attention to I sound nuts because you know people are just not used to thinking in those terms. So yeah it's definitely something there and I think, in a certain sense is very deliberate God, it's all so far and above the scope of my own sad education. But I'm trying to keep up here So another thing that was really interesting on the positive side kind of in line with what you're saying is while our people over here We're trying to hypnotize Patsy's take the fall for assassinations and mass killings The people in the Soviet Union were realizing that individuals could be hypnotized to embody certain

44:16 hi artists and actually channel their talent i mean that's so fascinating yeah this is another astonishing thing and i'm so glad you mentioned this your exactly right I don't put anything past the Soviets, don't get me wrong. I'm sure that they had their Manchurian candidate programs too but what is really interesting is that they did have this positive aspect of things where as you say they were hypnotizing people to see if they could enhance their natural abilities to do things like learn a foreign language quickly

44:54 or learn how to paint good high art quickly, and so on and so forth. And they found much to their surprise that yeah they could! Well you don't see that emphasis going on in any of the studies I've seen of MKUltra In fact it's exactly the opposite in so far as they are concerned with any of that They're concerned in uglifying and making it something anti-human rather than something that's more humanizing. So, that is one huge difference as you correctly point out between the Soviet era research that they were doing over there and what we were doing in this country in our secret research. It's a huge difference

45:37 Right. And there are clues to this as fascinating as that sounds, we have probably all heard of stories where people wake up from comas or head trauma speaking new languages are playing concert piano. So it's definitely possible to be able to do something that you weren't trained to do in your youth. Right? I think is absolutely possible and it's an interesting thing to contemplate how that memory seems to Part of, if I can put it this way part of or innate to human nature. As I say, I grew up playing pipe organs and later harpsichords. So you know, I was a nerd par excellence as far as my music was concerned. You can hardly take a pipe organ to a rock band concert! So I was cut off from all of that development in the popular arts and during my graduate years of study

46:39 lost access to organs and for about 30 plus years I had no access whatsoever to pipe organs. I simply quit playing, while recently through the kindness and generosity of a lot of people that made donations to a virtual pipe organ crowdfund was donated a virtual pipe organ And I've started practicing and it's amazing to me, Greg after 30 plus years of not having played the instrument at all how much memory is there and still there. And even in pieces that I did not even learn back when I was playing

47:24 So, yeah it does not surprise me that you have these experiences of people in comas that wake up with these fantastic abilities. It seems to be something innate to human nature. It's possibly that effect of the fall again but we've got many more abilities but for some reason they were curtailed or our access to them was blocked in some form or fashion and then take something traumatic to unlock again but i think what we're saying is something in a human nature and other words it's not simply an accident of a coma if something that if we were to learn how or why that mechanism functioned in the case of some people, we might be able to unlock some of that for a lot more people.

48:11 And I think that there are even studies now, as you mentioned it of cases like that where they're trying to zero in on what is taking place here with those types of phenomena. And I go back to what I said before. I think that these types of psychic abilities are innate to the human nature as such we're just not used to thinking in those terms and so we pay no attention to them Yeah, it's a major clue that something is wrong with the materialist model and there's something else out there. And one of the biggest mind-blowing moments to me reading about this Soviet research is when you point out that immediately after the Soviet Union collapsed The Russian press ran some articles disclosing what their people have been working on maybe their last chance to get the word out in their

49:02 state of mind, but they say they had tested flying saucer shaped aircraft as well as flying saucer shaped time machines. It kind of parallels the research that the Germans seem to have been working on. Yeah they did a number of very strange physics experiments that I talk about in the book And I think there may be some sort of German connection because if we go back to the end of World War II, and I've made this observation in other contexts with some other books. But it has always struck me Greg that the Nazis were driving a very unusual division of the spoils

49:43 They were driving the creme de la creme of their scientists to the West, to the United States, to Great Britain and Canada. But they were driving the middle echelon managers for a lot of these secret projects towards the Soviets and if you stop and consider what that means it means that the Soviets got all of the draftsmen and all of the people who could reconstruct the documents trail for them And I think the Soviets picked up a lot of this stuff and continued experimenting on it after the war. One case in point that I mentioned in SS Brotherhood of The Bells, they got a German radar team at the end of the war that, in my reading of the event

50:30 actually made the discovery of phase conjugation, multi-beam mixing on nonlinear materials and getting a phase effect on their radar sets that were quite literally blown out when they tried to do this on some of their stealthy material that they were putting on their U boats. And the Soviets got that team. So I do view the post-war research that the Soviets were doing as being in some sense, in some fashion a continuation of that Nazi research but not all of it certainly this psychic research they were doing went way beyond what the Nazis were doing in terms of what they were doing in World War II

51:14 The Soviets put a lot of scientific rigor into what they were trying to do, that the Nazis were just kind of using a shotgun approach. You know let's try this let's try that and you know and desperately trying to come up with something to win the war but the Soviets were very very deliberate in the way that they set these programs up and they did so with a lot of rigor And that was so fascinating to read about because we know so much less about that side of the coin than I do the MK Ultra side. So, people really should pick this up just to have that piece of context because it's very hard to find in my opinion and

51:57 Wanted to sidestep to something you recently covered in your news and views from the nefarium segments And that's this anecdote about Warner von Braun saying on his deathbed that the cultural boogeyman would come in stages, right? We've heard this before first communism then terrorism then nations of concern followed by asteroids and then aliens well those last two seem pretty epic in nature but But big names are writing books about asteroids, and that is permeating the culture right now. We also are opening up a space force and I just am curious... Are some of the technologies you bring up in the book do they seem helpful to you for these later stages of this deathbed confession plan? Absolutely they do! If you have the ability to interfere with someone's perceptions

52:50 through remote electromagnetic means. In other words, I'm talking about voice of God technologies here and these technologies do exist there are patents for them i put a few of them in the book and they have existed since the 1970s at least if you have the ability to beam literally to beam voices into somebody's head using electromagnetism, then that gives you the ability to control perceptions. The potential ability to control perceptions so that you could literally not only stage a false flag event but you could stage it quite literally in people's minds and if that sounds far-fetched let me give you an example and we've mentioned this in the introduction In the 1970s

53:48 the, I believe it was the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency sponsored a study of trying to create what i call electroencephalographic dictionaries. In other words the ability to read a person's brain waves and by looking at the pattern of the brainwaves determine what words they were thinking of at the time. And by the end of this project, I think it was about 1975 or so, I may be off on dates there but by the end of this project they had compiled an electroencephalographic dictionary have about 2,000 words in other words if you invented technology that can remotely sense a person's brainwaves then you would be able using that kind of dictionary to read what they were thinking

54:43 And that technology in turn can be used as a way of beaming waves to a brain and then creating the pattern of waves, to create words in people's heads. By now some sources indicate, I mention these in the book, some sources indicate that this electroencephalographic dictionary has expanded now to about 70 thousand words if not more So in other words, you have the means to carry on entire conversations between someone with their equipment in one room and somebody that is hearing voices in their head at another.

55:26 And the interesting thing that we can point to about this technology is, I mentioned the case of a lady that was subjected to this and started hearing these words in her head but she would only hear them at certain places in her apartment when she got up and moved out of the field of interference. In other words... Well stop and think if the Cuban embassy attacks! We have all these people on the embassy in Cuba that claimed that they were hearing these horrible metallic scraping sounds and that they were sleepless, and so on and so forth. One individual reported well I heard this when i was asleep but it stopped the moment I got out of bed in other words the moment I moved out up the interference area where these waves were you know being beamed the voices and sound stopped So this is a very very real technology

56:23 The problem with it thus far, as far as I've been able to determine Greg is that the technology that we know of is capable of doing this but only on a limited area. But now bring in things like 5G or smart meters where you can turn the electrical circuit of your dwelling into a broadcast antenna and once you've done that, then you have created a... You know, you've created Dr. Jose Delgado's infamous psychotronically controlled society where your literally beaming happy thoughts or bad thoughts to everybody depending on what you want to accomplish so this stuff is very very real and it's very very dangerous

57:16 Yes, well said. All great advice and that is exactly what I was going to end this with is really just how much I loved microcosm and medium it's complex but I think it really places mind control technology in the full framework of our reality and the worldview of the elite And that's really important to understand it. And of course, as you said, you have self-published this one so people should go specifically to your website to get it? They can go there or they can go directly to Lulu and just look for microcosm in medium or do a search for my name and it'll come up

57:52 And it will also show the McCarthy, the recent McCarthy book which is also self-published on Lulu. So that's yeah all of my books for the foreseeable future I think are going to be self published on Lulu because i'm just done with publishers making 90% of the cover price while i'm doing all the work and getting a measly 10 percent royalty and those days are over. I understand man well This has definitely been a lot of fun, lotta great ideas talked about. Of course hopefully we can convert some geezers for ya but is there anything else to say promotion wise to leave people with? GeezerDeathStar.com is the website anything else? Yeah there's a new book out on Lulu it's called McCarthy Monmouth and The Deep State and let me read the back cover right up for that because this this is a book I wrote in a fast furious pace

58:48 It says, Senator Joseph R. McCarthy is just about the last name one would expect to encounter in connection to UFOs, the Roswell incident above top secret black projects covert operations or high financial scandal but think about it McCarthy began his career in the US Senate a few months before the Roswell incident. He was at the height of his power and influence during the major UFO flap over Washington DC in 1952, is it therefore so strange that in the transcripts of his 1953 committee hearings declassified only in 2003

59:25 that one should encounter veiled and not so veiled references to these subjects, putting a very different context to his massive and career-ending confrontation in the Army McCarthy hearings. It's quite a little book! Provocative yes you sucked me in again! Definitely. Ah great well Joseph, always a pleasure and it's always a challenge for me to keep up. But thanks again and take care out there! Well thanks for having me back Greg and thank you so much for your patience on the scheduling trying to get this interview done I realize that put you through the ringer on it but thank you again You got it...that's mother nature Wow wow what do I say guys? Joseph P Farrell always always bringing in heat

1:00:14 in both intellectual and physical form, if you hear that sweet velvety sound of a lighter sparking up in the background. A sound that is near and dear to my heart no doubt! But seriously this content got me thinking pretty deeply And I even wondered if you need to read the book to get what we're talking about? I tried to make sure you had enough context but it was a lot harder to do that today than it usually is Because this overall thesis is in the neighborhood of a lot of things we talked about, but some of the connections and threads are a bit more foreign. I'm sure you guys are fine because this is the sort of thing We've been building towards for a long time And yeah, I was also nervous we wouldn't get this recorded because as he mentioned we had scheduling issues largely due to the storms in his area

1:01:08 Nothing anybody can do anything about, but you know how it goes. A week goes by and then it's hard to add old things To next week's already full calendar I've lost more than a few interviews that way But hey what we say to the god of podcasting death? Not today So I'm glad we got it And one of the things I love We did spend a decent amount of time trying to get into The Elite's head and deconstruct their worldview or not so much worldview as cosmology, as universe view and how they conceive of reality structure. And this book...this thesis obviously had a lot to do with that and at the top of the pyramid I make a general assumption that their worldview is largely correct and also ancient The elites have always kept the masses in the dark but to steer many different cultures into various traps

1:02:08 You kind of got to know the real deal. What's really under the hood? At least that's my impression. Microcosmism for the sake of branding, but that's how I see the world too for the most part. I feel like it's pretty synonymous with animism It's just kind of more focused on man's place in the universe Maybe there's a little romanticizing about humanity in it But I'm okay with that And this idea that a jailbreaking of the mind is the skeleton key to the universe, that's a fascinating idea to me. If you hear people like David Icke talk about The Archons or even if you take a traditional Christian perspective there's that thing about The Jealousy Of Angels and usually it comes back to man's ability to create in that these spiritual entities can only manipulate they can promote ideas and spread concepts

1:03:07 and play the Muse, but they can't actually build. They can't actually play the tunes! Hits the thumbs you know? Alien gods can beam the Tesla coil plans right into Tesla's head... But they need his thumbs or it's all just whispers in the wind So I do take this angle that maybe spiritual forces have reasons for having the elite approach things a certain way when it comes to control To me this all jives with that kind of thinking But his points about these cosmological implications and agenda of mind-control tech is really well stated, and also has that feral flavor that is quite unique. I really enjoyed the parts that relate to the value of high art. I'm not very knowledgeable or particularly moved by these things but I think that's because I lack the education in all of that. But I do respect it!

1:04:06 and I see something in it that is probably different than what we get from Disney. We've talked about this spiritual linkage, this drawing-down effect and if you want to convince the world that their prison planet is the only layer of their reality you got to remove those things that lead one to think otherwise psychedelics and high art and replace the world's well thought out spiritual traditions with a far less potent, hollowed-out corporate version. They did it all! But on the positive side I was also fascinated by the results of the Soviet side research almost too good to be true The things that could be done when they want to do enhance the mind You know MKUltra's over here trying to create super soldiers and they're just trying to create Superman I don't know but i definitely have a Baroque playlist now

1:05:06 Personally, it's Chopin's raindrop prelude right around two and a half minutes that really speaks to me. But of course... Chopin wouldn't really qualify as Baroque more of a baroque throwback which probably isn't enough by Dr. Farrell standards I might guess but baby steps And I do think the overall message is that it's us who have the power to create and we can use the realm of ideas as inspiration, but we choose what we create. We should do it consciously. Shake off the doom and gloom in the haze of a 9-5 routine and really think about what you're bringing into the world and think about manifesting the reality that you want. Focus less on the negative or at least give it less weight

1:05:56 What do I know about the mechanisms of the universe? I'm just some guy. But some days, I feel more hopeful about it than others and right now i feel pretty good! So I hope you dug it It's definitely something I'm glad we got done Joseph Farrell number five Check out his other appearances in the archives if he didn't realize he's been here so many times The Five Time Club is an awfully small group right maybe only half a dozen people or so can say that I'll make sure they all get their pins, but another aspect of this show i liked a lot really came out more so in the second hour. But it's this exploration of strange events as a type of field testing and particular Jonestown and how it might have been a CIA operation to field test psychotropic drugs on various kinds of people To me when he explained it all that way... It just clicked

1:06:49 Also that the Mandela Effect is field testing for their latest toys and you should watch these Mandela effect support groups as they could be potential fronts for the data collection. That's pretty intense! Provocative, provocative if you see military intelligence connections then you already know And that said, of course every interview you hear out there from me for free has a second hour for Plus Members. And today with Dr. Farrell we get into how Microcosm and Medium relates back to Hess and the Penguins... Things I mentioned about Jonestowne and the Mandela Effect How psychotropic drugs and wireless technology can work together for mind control agendas

1:07:38 Dr. Farrell's thoughts on ufology in the context of patterns and the mind control technology we're seeing, why spiritual forces might care about earthly geopolitics, magic and reverse-magic instances in world events like the burning of Notre Dame Cathedral, and a very worthy detour to talk about Dr. Farrell's work on GMO politics and food supply administered vaccines Stay awake, be ready folks. Just so much great stuff most of it is in the book but read that book or listen to The Second Hour because it's definitely worth your time if you're already here and interested In higher side news I am feeling the pinch although a minor pinch because I don't really care about YouTube but we have had another three shows removed by YouTube yesterday Victor Thorn Neil Kramer and Jim Fetzer

1:08:40 All episodes that were several years old and of course came with a warning that if I'm not careful about my content, I could be removed entirely. Well... If you're gonna remove shows that are multiple years old and have hundreds more, I guess the damage is done! But whatever My YouTube presence is but a small sliver of my overall power and influence And it makes no nevermind to me in the grand scheme of things But I need you to be aware in case i'm suddenly not there anymore and you don't think to go to my website thehighersidechats.com which is the home for all things THC Go there or use one of the many independent podcasting apps to look up THC, or put the RSS feed in because the time is here to stop sucking on that YouTube teat alright?

1:09:34 I'm gonna keep posting shows there, but i am not happy about it. But big thanks to our guest! Check out his website geesedeathstar.com and tell him that Carl would send you and I'll see you next time Your move mind manipulators tyrants of transhumanism and occult crafters of the digital era your fucking move You know the plan has always been to hack your brain MKUltra's trying to drive you insane And they'll explode your heart if they think that's what it takes You think I'm answering the phone, well I ain't. You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking you're at home Well you're not! You should tape the mail slot and baby if I seem withdrawn Let me say its cause I just dont wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that

1:10:33 The trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just a game plan, it's what the world's become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know You're better keeping on your own cause' you can see Masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself I hope you know the elite aren't your friends They'll suck out everything from you in the end If for some reason, you think I might be wrong I wonder where you got that opinion from

1:11:30 You gotta keep the curtains drawn Cause you don't want anyone thinking you're at home Well, you're not. You should tape the mail slot And baby if I seem withdrawn Let me say it's cause I just Don't wanna go and get whacked Maybe you should know that The trauma affects you like it does everyone It's just a game plan, it's what the world's become They want a pat down and a swap Don't you see what's going on? Well now you know You're better keeping on your own Cause' you can see, the masters lie too much Oh baby you can only trust yourself And if you think the system is out of touch It isn't. You can only trust yourself

1:12:30 You might think that these problems are small Maybe they aren't registering at all Now they know you're naive and vulnerable You won't believe all of the stunts that they'll pull Cause you can see the masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself And if you think the system's out of touch It isn't. You can only trust yourself Cause you can see the masters lie too much Oh baby, you can only trust yourself

1:13:35 And if you think the system's out of touch It is and you can only trust yourself