Alex Chionetti | The Tayos Caves, Ancient Artifacts, & The Inner Terrestrials

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01:30 Happy days are here again, Hiresight Chatters as we dive into another mystery left unsolved on this island Earth. From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and when it comes to the quest to unearth proof of an advanced civilization in the distant past some ancient extraterrestrial knowledge seeders and even epic troves of treasure and artifacts lost a time there are few pockets at the planet more intriguing and ripe for exploration than the vast jungles mountains and underground cave systems of South America One such place seated within this nexus is the Taiyos Caves, a deep and winding underground cave system steeped in mystery and intrigue.

02:07 From the inexplicable architectural design and the legends of an underground kingdom, to claims of curses and even libraries of lost books of metal and gold. It's a place that is perfect for a THC style investigation and wouldn't you know it we have the best of the best here to talk about it today! His name is Alex Cianetti and not only is he an award winning journalist and filmmaker, He has also done a ton of investigation into the claims and stories about the Taios caves over the last 30 years and has even descended deep inside them with his own first-hand explorations, all of which are the subject of his great book Mysteries Of The Taios Caves The Lost Civilization Where The Andes Meets The Amazon. So let's get into it! Brace yourself and bend the knee good people for the lost civilization seeker, the cave mystery revealer, and the underground explorer himself Alex Chianetti welcome to the higher side Oh my pleasure to be here Greg

03:02 Let's go to explore, let's go to descend through the deep of the Earth. Let's do it let's do it this is gonna be a lot of fun because. I just love these sorts of mysteries and to have someone who really made this the focus of their life work is really awesome, i really love the book as well and in it you write about the sacred geometry of the andes and equadorian jungle which seems like a good way to break the ice what makes this area around the tiles cave so special Oh hello my exploration of the anderson the jungle i found many secret place in sacred places in both do away especially hard to find caves a big size. You found in the middle of the amazonian range is not very cold but,

03:58 The game is connected with many traditions are many lines we could say the invisible and visible lines coming from east to west and west. No only along this line you find constructions but do you find a line of pilgrimage function, cool shoes on people's who used to Travel from the beach is from the shores of the pacific to the jungle we don't know exactly how old am i sony and population and tribes. I ride there with all the typical classical archaeology anthropology see twenty in the bearing a straight, under penetration from the north but now we saw many new discoveries restart tool

04:53 Find the history and anthropology no graphic girl migration lines that were wrong under where all their. Can i have a civilization including in amazonian range, what are the ancient peoples were they keep this car as warden sister of the people now when he told me what is the capital of ecuador And these invisible lines connecting with the quest of the sun and the translation of this on the zenith. Through these meridians, latitudes and longitudes of this ancient world we can also measure through existence of mounds or pyramids. These pyramids are kind of amazing older construction of 3000 years

05:51 All for example the pyramids of coches key place i did a couple research and exploration. Yes go on a phone for example this is not me that structures one of the unique north of keto north part of ecuador they have orientation to, who's your manager this brighter stars were so important For all the south american people and also i found this kind of lines in the side market souls to smoking sources and equinox on the ground true burnett and cook it mad ground always showing this type of calendar. The other interesting thing is when the french,

06:49 Trace the line in eighteen hundred like on the main steam they were ten degrees wrong. And with new measurements we found this cool cold to scar as who would bring gas preying civilization, what is it more and there center north part of the coast where In perfection they measure a color with zero mistake error.

07:28 Right right that was in the notes that you sent me over when you're talking about these invisible lines connecting, this on your kind of your talk about like energy lines or the electromagnetic grid around the planet and that these. Ancient people of ecuador were just experts and knowing about this mapping it and potentially even harnessing is that what you get mad. Right they work out we call the pretty good lines The ancient people's they have a different type of cognition in the sunday grease similar but another degrees maybe more advanced has been in contact with nature, interaction with the cosmos was totally different and more we could say are more holistic. In many degrees on the knowledge of nature under weather translation

08:20 of the sun through the seasons was really different and they follow. This is a default so this an equinox, i'm interested in many of the formation as the touch escapes the center delimitation of the descending angle. Is heat by there been up some in december on march Will you have the souls and december march equinox on solstice is where in this center in the end of these. So that being applied was found a burial site and his side they have a can of an important character, we don't know how he descend to this big shaft with me have been made shop of the quango skate who is

09:23 Can i get the real of this system of status status is not only one cave but there are many hundred of caves connected in an area of one hundred square miles. I know if you have been exploring and the main one had been, What is the one of the largest expedition in nineteen seventy six was also this scenario the place of my expeditions. Few years ago yes and the maps you have in here quite incredible they do go very deep and there been. I had full of expeditions that you have them mapped out as well and will definitely get into some other characters in somebody intrigue what was described from some of those expeditions, yeah i've been mapping the caves also yes it's my exploration in my book

10:25 And so when it comes to these caves with underground networks is always a lot of speculation how much of this is natural and what some of this man made or created by some kind of intelligence, do you get the sense that the tiles cave are completely natural formation or have they been kind of cultivated a little bit or altered by man in the past what's your thoughts on that. What is my thoughts have been part of my initial story and my initial story was in argentina when i was a teenager i wrote a book about the international. Wars will call windows but i love what are the words why just,

11:19 publish the fourth anniversary what is it called there in my country and spanish speaking countries but now is, no mason but still it's only in a spanish version original reprint of the first edition and book. I make a can of an hour to on that discover this exploration on the seventies and one of the protagonist who was The person who help me last run to the center of the cave in nineteen seventy six was you want to know me and he called me to an appointment his name was julio go general while on. He was the head of the spanking society the center of a spirit logic,

12:12 He was a consumer researcher but he's organization was not only exploring the war but also what's exploring the war. What's more i can't help i could set an esoteric circle and they have a lot of wisdom about civilization who are leaving below the end is from the memorial times, one of the first places Is there any was the witch's caves like where are they last blue has this was a kind of part of it. Initiation to start the entering of the subterranean war mysteries but coming back today artificiality or natural at the end of the games, he show me picture of a corner stone can i post on who is part

13:12 Offer survey photographic service in a previous expedition of nineteen sixty nine before. Will you be sent in the expedition organized by stanley hall after reading the book on that again, go to the gulf because of the gold in nineteen seventy four put the caves in the map of interest in all fall they were white mystery site Of the past i'm telling you but selling a nightclub called organize this expedition with all the scientific corpus of. You're mainly in scotland am i friend send with them as he was friends with another character we are going to talk and next is one more.

14:05 I'm in that previous expedition date to get picture is it well i have to really found this cornerstone but if exist two, can of pylons supporting the ceiling of one main gallery with connecting gallery done means was an architecture. What's a protocol historical prehistorical construction and we have to add Very advanced polishing techniques on some of the tunnels and we find this kind of arc with brick layers and a giant make a lead supporting. The ceiling underpass between two galleries i want to think it's kinda of the russian we're talking about cars limestone, add a car some life stone what are the most of the caves are not

15:06 Build the forms in a rectangular cutting angles straight angle but more and circular. I'm soft that was the big impression we have kind of day impression i will also yeah there technological elements off, hello architecture This expedition will have many geologists they couldn't explain many of these features i am talking about recent expedition after mine, we could not explain the neither what would help some were totally convinced is a natural formation. I'm inspired of your ocean but through my knowledge i can not really explain their parents

16:02 We cannot explain many of the geological features who shows some kind of manhandle all. I should technology apply to drill and cut the rock this is support by these are you this area is not too far off the big megalithic constructions. What's praying cuz i am just no scenario jangana that is cool We found a few years ago another perfect wall with brick and mortar lines was totally unexplainable. I'm being in the kingdom of the ink is on the brain gas we are supporting that you already have the artificial it why would this still cannot explain how they can build these monumental for trees and walls

17:02 I'm a structures either on the level of the sea or in the high altitude when you have to carry from big distances. Big huge among those blocks of stone be volcanic stone granite limestone still there are heavy and then gastration, How fitting with perfection still we can reproduce that kind of use gravity on. I'm beside that we have all the tradition and order tradition was being just didn't develop any writing a scripture ok

17:48 Idiographic type of communication we have only the keyboard but the keyboard is mathematical thing and still is a big mystery how did being so advanced didn't develop writing things imagine. They use a graphic type of optical interpretation of nature and construction, Well said there are definitely many mysteries of the ancient world especially when you get down into some of these megalithic sites there's just so many provocative things that. it's a real mystery how they did some of the stuff especially given how unforgiving some of these landscapes you're describing can be and when it comes to the book and the house caves. Adventurers there are a lot of names to know in the book when it comes to the various people who have traveled inside the caves, can you tell us about the original explorer of the caves and what he claimed to have seen that kind of set this mystery off

18:49 What are the mystery was set off by janice morris who was a hungarian argentina who immigrate in the sixty two ecuador he was the first to kind of declare register. Which public notary and his lawyer account for bounty of elements he found, In one of the chambers and my friend who was part of that association. That is my involvement with discovery had been kind of defending, do you know story unfortunately through recent television shows always what's a distortion focus in only in the angle aspect as the british and scottish expedition to go over

19:41 American television was focusing in the one who speak english and play for good. And the original exploration discoverers were. Who wants what general morris and julio guadalupe before you where some military equatorial was an italian, travel or who passes always a cave there but nobody this end in nineteen sixty nine was deferred descending to the game Wait a group of local people from what you feel more eggs cold expedition to soak but when i got within canary and his. Expedition to the tajos caves to the underground war with the company of his lawyer on my group of any click the,

20:32 Team of doctors and opticians and photographer some militaries and association with the tourist office date. Where is who saw this structures i describe but when are before this can go to who was looking, david in the underground war connecting only europe but america's north without He was climbing he entering one part of argentina and he show up in peru walking all the way through the inner can of leo. Wow i'm good improve it but you already have a big can of knowledge of ancient traditions and euro he was,

21:29 Can i have prisoner of the nazis and it was invited to be a part of this group on hair who is there intellectual scientific division. Open access who are looking for this time free energy, no so the secret of the undead we could set how the ink has got the power to move with stones and to lift it and they call debris force not real Yeah i was part of a kind of pseudo literature in that time and previous researchers in the fringe science of the nineteen hundred.

22:10 Yes and i just love some of the stuff and you right in your chapter the inter terrestrial atlanteans that. More works work this whole life to find evidence of an inner terrestrial civilization that was one of his big goals, add i am really intrigued by that idea how close do you think he got well he get very close. He was lonely and explore the travel or adventure who. Walk alone the jungles and the sierras on the high mountains but he also baggage of intellectual formation from his ancestral. Can you read me was also interested in the toponymy mix and semantics and linguistic terms i will many elements there are kind of conversion no, some version said he heard

23:12 The story from a military guy his name was petroneo harambe you also part of the story and i research the life consequences of her on. I had a major also what's one of the first characters just after discovered of morris come to the surface, Who is traveling research of an american italian italian american explorer name pino to roll up and be no he explored. The legends of the first one interview had a mission can i meet you till nineteen fifty's, he was guy by the end after saving their life for one adolescent not he was granted through this encounter

24:08 To the send on the case i describe many similar things more if we describing that inventory of findings who also they were photograph between calls by phone and he said in the book but they go up to god's bed when the book was published. We found out photographs were not part of the target but there were parts for another great mystery, Call the father to create speak collection right and that's a provocative thing i think a lot of people will have heard before but of course the main mystery here is. Just what they look like in the prospect of ancient civilization some of the epic claims have been findings of metal library of books are gold box down in the caves and you know there's lots of be set about that but

25:03 I really am interested in what you wrote here and not kind of the dialogue that we were having with this question you had written that. Mori said that he did end up connecting with some underground creatures that live in your rope and as you just said i guess at one point he saved the life of a young person and response the local tribe who really is kinda guards of this inner chamber. They said you can go in here and i don't know if this is the same story or different one but, His claim is that he did meet people or creatures that are inhabiting these caves is that right. Right well he was very lucy morris and suddenly he stopped to talk in the last year so his life he was totally moodies on, hey bro many of your secrets knowledge and experience to the grave

26:01 But to the mail he didn't really confess to a female visit was open to tell the story and it's too one of her friend who is argentinian. Researcher betina allen she went to be with him in nineteen eighty four that discount already several years after his last in caution to the caves I need to tell me yes he broke and they experience the sightings of a special kind of. When can i switch creatures who are there when get creatures on the leave in the darkness in the beginning they thought that were, the birds that just barely touch those birds they act was about their blind bird. Who lives in the darkness but they go to harvest food retrieve seeds

26:58 I would say of the flying can of several miles and bring it back there food to their families on big packs of formation of this secret birds who are worshipped by the shores. He barrow indians along the center. This kind of confusion make very interesting analogies but more is alone he was talking about the bell so tell those in the hungarian tradition this creature stay live. Will the earth and they have their characteristics to transform themselves can of shapeshifter. Creatures when they could be kind of you know is a bad suddenly they could grow wings i'm flying no, he said that were advanced on this kind of group of human forms

27:56 They have also technology and the technology was to drill to kind of have the power to manipulate this stones, add two great underground cities know that i was still in would connect also with the hero traditions no about. This special can open invisible being who live indicates not They call the Aratum, and this Aratum is kind of a special God for them. The God who is beyond evil and good but also the birds have this kind of form of spiritual entities who come to help in moments of needed help or danger. Many people had been witnessing strange

28:53 Sightings inside of the caves no for example people walking steps you find a step footprints. People without shoes barefoot and going nowhere in the middle of the model on this so i love the caves but, yeah morex was kind of continue researching what he was learning from his mark your area does not I was trying to communicate with this being what he said they were leaving the young also saying decay was alive no i said okay was.

29:35 Complete organism without time and space no kind of a board exam portal place yes. A very special one is that the reason i said, i think this is coming to the inner space is it different feeling that i was walking in the moon he said to julio in one of his colloquial talks When they were not exploring the caves and near the fireplace can i have this round of relax and he tell me stories are cool you're going to use to tell me, menu these stories after never talk too much to his own family trying to interview his son's.

30:26 Can you mention this big adventure who was what he said this is what's so great as to walk in the moon walking inside of that just gave yes people know neil armstrong was on a curious expedition. Do those caves he's also been on a few other expeditions and i'm always curious like why they need him or what he might bring the table maybe it's just his interest but The situation with more is really interesting because you do have a lot of characters in the book and you're not shy about saying this guy's a bullshitter this guy was logical liar when it comes to morris, it's not that way its more like you know.

31:06 if you really pride he tell you some stuff but he was a solo explorer very cat like he didn't, relieve and wanna tell his tales necessarily and when people started to call bullshit on me start again backlash for the epic claims it was like you know what. I don't need this i don't need to tell about this stuff any did get more tight lipped in that to me is indication of Some truthfulness i mean it's one of the things you have to look at cuz we just don't know but one paragraph about him that i found interesting in the book is where you say. Morix asserted that the Tayos caves were inhabited by the mysterious tribe of the Belas more than 250,000 years ago and that this tribe was the successor to a superior culture of unknown origin. He called them the Taltos, immortal beings who might have come from a distant solar system possibly Ursa Major

32:00 And man i really like that concept and i was curious how we could know such a thing in the book i guess this is reproduction of one of his interviews any does say, that the story was told to him by local chief and not pretty much the most credible source for this kind of information as far as i'm concerned but. That is a wild story it seems like there's a whole lot going on this this area ground zero for some of the most epic mysteries we might have Yes can i have a special faculty send they tried to turn him down when the official archaeologist and anthropologists in ecuador, day start to talk with him was gonna very far out he was sinking. Besides many boxes open up your opinion about boxes that find

32:56 He was the final establishment that is he get so many enemies and that was there recently was not a participant. What expedition of cold with me last but he send my friend who you ask could really, guy did do special places but my friend didn't show what to watch the direction of the chamber with the metal library in nineteen sixty eight Who are more ex i think morris center for second time to the chamber of a metal library in that time was an expedition organize finance by the mormon church. I did a special trip to sell a cd to find it through but who you never told me, who finance or who was part what american institution will see ball with the first small expedition

33:56 Can i get approved and this was before the declaration on the registration of the content of discovery. Again in the beginning of sixty eight to more mon elders when will morris and julio, do they are you a different area for the system of caves know that one of their main attractions but indiana Moritz was very paranoid character he thought it was a plot to take over his discovery and didn't brought them but they brought. Surprise of friendship who you are who is very low key where i am woman will never profit with anything neither of his great discoveries also in our college and anthropology and speculation,

34:54 Yeah he's records are unique but he never was not rich man after being witness of one of the greatest lost treasures in the history of our present times, hey what is the score to the chamber and his oldest big quantity of metal giant books. What carvings and different kind of school chores he called the stone is so i need my book i have an exclusive interview interview him about. All his experience is there any interview you could find writing about that i haven't been paid by having video yeah this is the only one he got what he was very close,

35:44 Person we were going to go to an expedition with him is it. I know you are organizing a special night cycle go with your of course you're the only one that last windows what morning style nineteen ninety one this was in nineteen ninety seven and few months later, did i know that expedition in argentina numbers when he was trying to retrieve some mommies Who are different of the normal mommies in the size right there's a little that in the book to theirs not only stories and giants but also stories of little people, yeah they can't tell us what's going on.

36:26 Oh yeah small grey human rights i'm just looking at the notes you had sent over but that was gonna be my next question is because there's more than just the tiles caves in the region and of course of all these cave systems and just the andes in general there's quite a few. Legendary stories of strange beings living inside them i was gonna ask you about a couple your favorite stories of beans in the cave such as so knowledgeable about that region but as u just were kinda saying, the gentiles that's their term for the gray aliens are the ones that people talk about edit some expeditions. Following the law on the legend no

37:05 The gentiles after this creature the other creature who i brought it to the american public and you know the story of these. Very small humanoid found in a key game in lanoria, who was part of this controversial documentary called serious yes i did the store many years before i brought it to america and television in the year two thousand three later on Can you say these little grey human aids they live underground and i come to the surface only when the moon is full to help with the growing and fertilization of the fields and help during the harvest. Yes believe or not it's a farmers and dollars who leave in the end this indies region of chile mainly in chile but you find the same. Legends in chile bolivia and peru and differences,

38:05 They can tell us the gentiles in chile there are small size the peruvians. Call the gentiles the giant and we come to some kind of biblical distortions in terminology. Brought through the catholic christian evangelization of the others what makes this story not gentle it looks good. The aliens will be there is not that is called a gentle daily people know from here on the hentai list, They were the believers and agenda who can't find another religion or come from another race you cannot say no i was a terminology of function could you tell me knowledge and tradition. But it's amazing how they describe this looks like aliens with a big head more small names yeah they live in underground cities,

39:09 I'm they talk about the gentler is there any letters are small cities and go to a small lily put similar to the goodie bird travels stories no bad i never found, the bones they told me all we saw this construction inside of these mine and they live in the mines and some interact with the minor. Open nineteen hundred and eighteen hundred you have this time of the stories interacting some people we found this small shovel some way from some kind of a small pics. Oh back it's pretty well show me what no i couldn't find a piece no i said why you come at night with full moon or how long they com out yeah that is what do you have to

39:56 establish is what i tell to steven greer said you want to really catch another at the end of this organization expedition. Let's be patient and we find more evidence no, you find also carvings in the rocks paintings showing how are these kind of mapping out their towns on your phone very interesting. I arrived one of these all these lines You have many markings the projective lines of an asker lines a continue to the south and they penetrate bolivia and chile. Can you find this job leave but there are hundreds and thousands on this is set to the people in ancient aliens years ago the lights are not only,

40:51 In nascar but they project and follow the start to use my hypothesis of the radio is no on the project. Do this out of them up and only following, the possible water reservoirs but following religious and sick lines of pilgrimage again with back again to these Lines connected visible and sometimes not be so well connected with the astrology with translation of the stars. Add a cycle of seeding harvesting to that was important marking that agriculture elements connecting with times of drowness on time so more

41:44 Humidity is the worst surviving thing but this or buy me connect with a spirituality. Of these people who are traveling from the center of the empire cusco to the south along the way we found his head kiss the haircut sir constructions alone this line, join these notes of ceremonial worship in and dispersion of the cultures and also in altitude The funnels of boreal sides of mommies for example who you go to now also he was a real discover. Open the mom is so full total unfortunately not your graphic and what are you doing who's in montana apologies, do you want to discover that time i'm all set up area he was talking about what's an ancient culture called the antediluvian Athens

42:43 That means what's the focus of lost knowledge to this is in the and information. In the north west of argentina stories long enough with this account we are trying to leave the french archaeology to find more debating interpretation of the past, do they work off people who are not recognized today but they develop a great walk One of the reasons i keep exploring and still giving importance to the metal library is what i trust who you always witness when he back to Buenos Aires. Share the story with his brother with his wife and wait his daughter interview her like never talk again and use for years,

43:45 We were growing up with this legend some teenagers can of looking for adventure and discovery we used to be very shy and respectful. Do that image go genoa while i'm more ex. No in that circle will call the circle of the circles was a kind of it, shangri la was a lost place in the high end is what and advance civilization may be coming from the stars of ron and the engine you talk about that land is very old connect when i start to find later on. The search of percy faucet and they will see the discoveries of my also late friend james boyd,

44:38 Who was a record explorer american explorer cool is totally forgotten as the official of clergy clips him after he discovered all the sides of the church appointments for you know i would have this kind of order tradition said yes. In the west of the amazon range giant cities underground cities do well and run That was the search of force that lost his life and boy try to prove no need existing office. I want cities but also the communication between the pacific and atlantic, trans navigation know all the cool chills were moving that is we have in not too far from the case with having scriptures information in a syrian middle eastern writings

45:38 In graves we cannot explain that kind of penetration of cultures but some of the explorers trying to find a nice thing what was looking for so many years there are no equals. Because of this does games they have these underground structure proving the existence of. I want civilization hook up the power to carve the stones no in the surface and high end is bad below the air we don't know what kind of. Catastrophes with a thousand years ago but it looks like they build this type of shelters we have always our planet has been in the edge

46:28 War as you could see anyone any moment but on a supply i seen in the past generations and the pastor can of. Is that possible station we have moments of creations and moments of destruction cycles is no more than cycles yes, i'm gonna be back knowing the nature of man we go with this type of an either more it was a revision is of these cycles of mankind and the only whole to he was. You wrote an amazing work no matter if you try to do a scientific expedition, is always a kind of romantic way not romantic but more deep than the official are you trying to put together

47:17 the mystery of our origins no is all a big possible we got all that pieces we have rocks and we have different lines of thoughts but i always said. Science there is tick off the blinds on their killer use always dig in this same pit yes yes i'm with ya And there is just so much mystery in this area but if we were to hone in on the metal library before this first half kind of closes out. This is one of the biggest claims and of course there's a lot of deception involved with this idea of a metal library does it feel red herring is a few false claims but,

48:02 What can you say about the claims that you find to be most credible and can you describe what this metal library is for people because the prospect of knowledge even if we were to have to decode it from some unknown language the prospective something tangible, from this ancient time it's just mind blowing to me what can be said about the details from those that you trust who have said they've seen something that could qualify as a metal library. Many ancient cultures left their records in the form could be preserved by the destruction of time as we have the cuneiform tablets and we have a kind of carving into stones in the form of petroglyphs, pictographs from rupestrian art or rock carving, rock paintings.

48:57 Some resist the past of time but carving in also writing and metal is a way to also preserve that type of cool jones on metal was developed, in the last ten thousand years unless that time since the polio leaky. Do this time we go to the age of metals and copper iron steel god is more recent but that description of. The findings either caramellio or morris is where these giant plates giant sheets of metal with different ideographic any scriptures they could really be cold

49:54 We found again we back again with some of the bigger collections connected or not with the charges is the collection. Will you have a lot of fakes but we have productions and copies of regular text books images, illustrations but also we can't generation of cereal art Who show some time of semitical writings in the area type of creature and that is found also in rock carvings. In the areas of us why am i can hear who are states department so fake but close to the more than a santiago where are they system of caves,

50:44 This kind of indoor open writings are totally out of context what is the game. India and this didn't develop any scripture that means these foreign it's a kind of a penetration of function cool just all was, another cool who was spread either in asia and also central europe I'm the americas but who went before the americans went to europe and asia all. The Asian came to america that is for example what many researchers on trans navigation trans oceanic navigation starting with torrejo no, turn was the first one i am with the contiki try to prove there corinth where are they way

51:42 You could navigate it to rough balls to the coast of america's to the micronation polynesia what he prove it no, you prove that is one of the greatest explorers with a purpose exploration with the purpose and the main purpose of exploration anything is not only conquest. The ground on this space but have support Open the region of mankind yes you know that people are no so i was trying to connect for seeming repeating here. How old is your shoes have a connection with the last text on the my hands and what's navigation through the current going north. Forget all these things along the coast of ecuador we have

52:41 Totally the same type of ceramics and boreal sides with buddhist position of their corpses, skeletons proving what also was the immigration of oriental japan. Cool shoes on chinese to ecuador that is very interesting thing they were claiming in the orthodox anthropology that The asians penetrate to the burning straight and they come out of a populate but maybe. What's reverse no coming more to the west and through america was in primordial grace calming unsettling in the area of the andes and ecuador after traveling more recent from the americas, do you rope on two asian true the oceans now

53:44 No need to walk in yes there are many different threads the poll on it definitely seems like cultures of the past had more communication and more means to travel than we realize Again as a wrapping this up i mean there's just so many different threads to pull on here if you were trying to make the best case that civilization might still exist inside the earth of course we have more x description of actually seen beans but is there anything we didn't touch on today do you think would contribute to making that best case that their could be people living down in these caves and south america.

54:29 Yes that could be there are many other stories about the same colors on this kind of things from the story of a car, can i not receive as i mentioned before said quest before and order is to recite really covering this book but i plan it to cover in a next one. Can i have all these mysteries and secret sites on south america in the end is an indiana. No when you say akka core, i think i've heard this in a documentary are you talking about this tribe that their oral tradition is that they were german and then lived underground for awhile and then resurfaced in the jungle yes the story of the upper amazon yeah but don't canada no

55:25 Also is a lot of contradictions but there are other sources about these yeah another sources connected with the matto cross area and they are pretty toward or not go river. Yeah it's too early That's really fascinating because obviously i hear so many different things researching and interviewing the gas for the show but that term akka core has stuck with me for years because i thought it was so fascinating to think about all the lore of. the germans and the inner earth and then you have this tribe that people stumble upon their like hey your languages are characteristics that your people have a little interesting what's your story in the white well our, parents and grandparents were germans who found tunnels to the inner started civilization down there we said we wanna see the surface nice sure and so they come up in the jungle in south america

56:27 That's the story i heard it but man that is fascinating that there could be a tribe that has that knowledge that is really not even trying to keep it a secret maybe they're just not being talked too. Right now you are the car brougar who wrote the book was a journalist and also he died tragically after what, if she was one of the versions said he wasn't gonna open as a hunter I don't want him to be live and he was continue trying other versions of the other two can i was a mother person i invented all this story. But there are version of the ground that they said i connect with the faucet store you have an advanced city who have underground passages, what is your shelter still would connect with the

57:27 Reflect the best story of the tajos caves no we find there are all the more legends contemporary narratives. This is below the ground yeah also in central america to belize in the mayan lands, indifferent countries along the messamerica i love it i love it well i think This is been a lot of fun and i definitely enjoyed the book you're right. Of course you got really impressive amount of researching and exploring first hand and i salute for it, is there anything else to tell the people before we go regarding social media links your website or anything that people should know about following up on your work, no yeah very interesting to reach me they could read through linkedin or facebook

58:28 Yes messages that is what i don't have the web app now used to be at my patagonia express but there's no longer know about the way back in the future. Yeah thank you very much yeah they investigation research and exploration continue developing other explorations so order past mysteries, to sites I have been exploring for many decades, either in the highlands or in the jungle and different countries. But still also trying to set a time as I said, don't trust too much television companies, I have to look for private support and sponsorship at this time

59:29 To continue yes i know that is a difficult thing for sure but you are doing amazing work i really appreciate your time and everything you have done i know it's tough out there but stay strong keep up and best of luck. Thank you very much you got it well feed me see more alex chianetti the tires caves interstrials and a whole lot more Another topic that sort of emerged from the joint sessions, or really it was a happy accident that someone called in to ask if I'd heard of the Taios Caves mystery and the legends of the tunnels and the ancient metal library. And I really hadn't but literally the next day Alex's book showed up in the mail. I actually emailed that guy was like whoa synchronicity can you believe it? Funny how stuff works out

1:00:27 And this publisher sends me a lot of stuff. I have a great relationship with them, they're called Inner Traditions and this is another one of their releases. I think the last one we did that was with one of their authors was Greg Little with The Denisovan Origins Show if you remember that one it was definitely a favorite of mine from 2019 and usually when we do something in that realm of ancient lost civilizations Chances are the book showed up on my doorstep from them. But today was fun, luckily Alex spent a little extra time with me because I knew it was going to get shortened up in editing. I know Alex is a bit thick on the accent. I could really only find interviews with him in Spanish before this one so I kind of expected that

1:01:20 But I think he makes some great points about these networks and entertainment companies. They don't always go with the most authentic sources or the most primary of the explorers, they're very willing to gloss over that for someone who's American-born a bit more flashy A bit more showy might not really even know anything firsthand but will say all sorts of over-the-top stuff that people might make memes out of It's probably why a couple of shows have approached me lately. I am the stoner Sucalos of conspiracy culture, it is what it is! But I was happy to speak with Alex directly he has done a lot of primary exploration He has done even more research into and on the other explorers with claims in this area And he credited with being the discoverer of two lost cities in the Andes region

1:02:18 In fact, looking at the book, Inner Traditions refers to Alex as one of the most active and renowned South American explorers of recent years. He's won journalism awards and even consulted on Indiana Jones in The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull! They probably didn't consult him on the awful freezer scene but what can you do? He's just one man But you know, it makes me think that the reason why a podcast like this has an audience is because people are sick of networks deciding for them. Even with something as simple as the length of an interview—Joe Rogan, typical three-hour conversations, biggest show on the internet—networks would say oh people's attention spans are too short for that. Well apparently not!

1:03:05 And by the same token, I would think that a lot of listeners here appreciated spending two hours or one with Alex firsthand. But listening back to this, I got some things that i didn't pick up the first time. I wasn't really getting that Gentile is a name that they used- The indigenous people used for a believer in the grays not necessarily a believer in God. I think that's the point he was making is that it's a term religious language adopted, but I guess originally it had more to do with this idea that South American farmers are helped on the full moon by inner earth greys and i'm into it. And planting and harvesting cycles are very much affected by the lunar cycle and the astrological conditions so for them to come out on a full moon for that sort of reason kind of makes sense to me

1:04:02 And to hear that mention of the Akhikar Indians, holy shit! That was a great moment for me because I've been holding that story in my head ever since i heard it in passing. In some old black and white archival interviews I was listening to Nobody I've spoken with has known what the hell i was talking about since I heard that and hadn't been able to re-find it for a long time. Actually heard on my drive up to LA before being on the Tinfoil Hat podcast If you listen to the one where we talk mostly about the hollow earth, its in there! And I wouldn't usually talk about something that I had just heard in passing because it's way too easy to sound stupid

1:04:45 I couldn't shake that a group of people in South America could say well our parents and grandparents came from Germany and we live underground for awhile. It's like they were found in the sixties or seventies is just like the right amount of time for escaped underground germans to raise kids tell them about the surface world and then let people form a little tribe if they want to come out and explore for themselves in the jungle It's like the best story ever. Besides the thing about aliens and the moon harvest Go verify some of those details because I'm going off memory, but Alex didn't seem to have any arguments with how i remembered it so there you go But I'm very happy with how this turned out Some very far-out ideas were brought a little closer to home I think a good case was made And I appreciate Alex's work

1:05:44 In the second hour for plus subscribers we talked about Father Crespi's Curiosity Museum, Nazi outposts in South America, Ingo Swann and using remote viewing to explore the caves. The Mormon connection, mysterious deaths and curses related to the caves, and of course secret societies and various groups and their interest in this whole subject matter So become a member or a Patreon person if you want to hear the second hour of this show and every show. And with that, I'm getting out of here! Thanks for listening everyone have a great weekend. I know i'll be lighting a super bowl of my own and you should too. I've done my part your move interterrestrial tunnel dwellers metal library concealers and secret keepers of the Tyos caves Your fucking move

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