107: Dean Dominic De Lucia | The Hollow Earth, Cavern Worlds & The Beings Within

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01:29 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. But well 1530 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Here we go, Hireside Chatters. Drinkin' a little drink, smokin' a little smoke from sunny San Diego homegrade Carlwood and today's show is one I am very very happy with because i like to try to do things that are a little bit more unique, a little more fringe and this idea of a hollow earth which on its surface sounds immediately ridiculous and too large of a secret to keep from the world in this modern age

02:18 is really interesting to me. And these elite have had an ironclad handle on this planet for centuries and today's guest Dean tells several stories of royalty in the 17th and 1800s, sending explorers up to the North Pole to investigate the strange things they have been hearing about. And there's so much more but Dean I talked for hours the day before the show trying to plan out the best way to present the information. We put a lot of thought into making a good case and we kind of go chronologically through the material I mean we talked today about subtle disclosure of certain black ops projects and technology through Hollywood films, and the ones that contain these nuggets are pushed a bit more by the establishment. But before movies we had books! And we have The Lord Of The Rings series with all these interesting lands and beings taking place in Middle Earth? That's a strange name isn't it but maybe he was hinting at the middle of the earth or HG Wells time machine where beings come up from the cavern worlds and wreak havoc in a future time on the earth

03:15 And not to mention the countless tribes and cultures that have these types of stories. It's just a fascinating, mind-bending possibility and to me Dean is a great guest for it He tackles all the elements of science and physics that would need to be addressed and he really doesn't shy away from any other questions so We do spend the first 30 minutes discussing the original source material of the Vedic texts and the Purana and the Bhagavad Gita to hear how the earth was described by these people that talk about the previous yugas. And a lot of it has to do with how much stock you put in ancient texts being literal descriptions of the world they lived in, we have been taught to write them off as fiction myth and fantasy but maybe that's a way to keep knowledge suppressed! Especially if this knowledge hints at where the real power on the planet may be held

03:59 But if you're not into strange descriptions in ancient texts, skip ahead 30 minutes in because that's where it really gets fun and Dean explains the science and geography of the Hollow Earth theory so start there if that is more your thing. The only other little anecdote I'd like to throw out before we dive in is people sometimes ask me if I'm concerned that I might get shut down or visited by Men In Black or something...and I don't worry about that at all honestly and nothing strange has ever happened like that except once In my quest to find a great Hollow Earth guest, I found a woman who had just a very minimal amount of information online. But I contacted her and we talked back and forth for awhile and she wanted to do the show! She was excited so she sent me her book with a personalized message that read Dear Greg may the unwavering urge to shine a light in all dark places always be your goal best wishes

04:53 This book is huge guys, over 350 pages and it's the size of a screenplay with very small type. And it talks about so much and these massive cover stories in this apparent truth of beings on the earth that are very close in contact with the ruling elite... ...and they all agree to maintain these secrets." Well I was so excited for this show! An hour before we were set to go on she messaged me and said that every few years she's asked to talk about this and when she does something very bad happens to her or people close to her And she told me that was the case this time as well, and that something very serious and sudden had happened to a loved one of hers that she's very close with. She seemed to think it was connected to her agreement to broach the topics and talk about her book. She apologized, thanked me, wished me the best, asked never to bring up her name or book on air, and said she'd have to end our communication."

05:46 Now if this woman had seemed paranoid or off in any way, this would have made more sense. But she was very sweet and well-spoken but this very topic is the only one that has ever seemed to put one of my guests in danger so take that for what it's worth and let's get weird with the professor of The Hollow Earth Dean Dominic DeLucia And if you listen to this and it prompts any questions from you Or you think a piece of the puzzle just doesn't fit jump on the subreddit leave a comment on The Hollow Earth thread for this show And I'll get Dean back on and I'm sure he'll be willing to answer anything you can fire at him. He's been researching this for a long time, so let's do it! I've been talking long enough... Here we go with the Holower Theory and Dean Dominic DeLucia

06:33 Alright people, we know our reality is a carefully crafted framework of smoke and mirrors designed by a long line of corrupt elite. And it causes one to wonder just how much we know to be true is actually a product of this manipulation machine? As we go deeper were constantly shocked to find the things that we thought we knew were true are actually anything but Well today we're looking into one of the most fringe topics resting soundly at the deepest steps of the rabbit hole, and that is the theory of a hollow earth full of life, strange beings, creatures, cities and hidden paradise. And our guest Dean Dominic Delucia is going to help us make the case for this possibility over the course of this extended THC

07:10 Dean is a university trained translator with a lifelong interest in Indian and Hindu philosophy and Vedic astrology. He's the author of several books including Astrologica Vedica, The Beatles and Vedic astrology And of course Hollow Earth in the Peranus he's been speaking and writing about these ancient texts for quite some time now And I couldn't be more pumped to have him here dean welcome to the show Well, it's a pleasure to be here. Pleasure to speak with you and with your listeners. Yeah man this is real exciting I've been wanting to do this show for quite some time. Entertaining the hollow earth is a scary thought because we know there are a lot of lies and tweaks to the many aspects of history in life in general but We assume that at least our basic understanding of the planet is pretty well established And to find out that reality might be radically different from that has some pretty serious implications for everything we know

07:59 I am excited to present the evidence to the people. Hopefully we can make a pretty strong case that changes people's ideas of what is possible, but let us start out by describing the Vedic texts and explain where they came from how old are they these types things for anyone not familiar with some those terms i threw out in that introduction Well, let's see. The Vedic culture came to an end with the Battle of Kurukshetra, the Bhagavad Gita war. The war that is depicted in the Bhagavad Gita where Arjuna spoke with Krishna on a battlefield – that was about 5000 years ago

08:41 The Vedic knowledge was common within that society and it was compiled when things started going downhill, when the culture started falling apart and disintegrating. And those are the four Vedas that we have in India however the four Vedas are very ceremonial they're a little bit technical how would you say, branches of the Vedic literature. Specifically the Puranas and the Puranas are historical narrations they're very similar to The Old Testament stories of David and Goliath Ruth Rebecca it's reading the Puranic narrations it kind of reminds me of reading The Old Testament

09:35 And it's there that we find mention of the Hall of Worth. Interesting, I mean these texts obviously they're...I guess compared to Sumerian texts are these considered to be older? Because we're talking 5,000 years and that's just when they were written down! There might be an oral tradition that extends longer than that Yes, well in the literature itself what you see is that the Vedic society on earth which was once very much encompassing it fragmented to Druid to Indo-European To various cultures that we know That we think they're separate or similar but their ramifications their branch offs

10:26 But yes, I don't see them as being older than the Sumerian. It's just that this knowledge is presented as something that's cyclical. Sometimes it's wiped off the face of the earth and is re-established again What we see in the literature is that they are shepherded by this demigod culture, by these celestials. They sometimes appear within the society as great warriors or great teachers or great proponents of medical science... That kind of thing so it's eternal Probably you've heard of the Kalki avatar? Mm-hmm So Kalki comes at the end of every

11:11 Every four of every yuga cycles consisting of four Yugas right now We're in the last one the Kali Yuga. It will come to an end in 428 thousand years at that time the Kalki avatar will appear and and he will bring with him men from the inner earth to repopulate the surface world. So in this way it's cyclical, it may disappear for a while the Vedic understandings but they're manifested again That's the idea. So, when you talk about age I mean how can you talk about age when that is the ideal? That it is something cyclical this manifested again and again. Sure that definitely a fair point and these texts they kind of describe the earth and life even humans much differently than we consider them today Can you tell us those aspects of the story Yes but they describe all in stride

12:13 You know, I mean somebody might be reading for example the history of the American Revolution and then as part of the reading you'll hear about The Atlantic and you'll hear about The British and you'll hear about France. And you know, the French fleet came in this that and other. Well in the same way it's not...the point is not to describe these places people knew about these places already. In the same way Puranic texts, they describe narrations that have their own points. But as part of the storyline, the hollow cavity of the earth, or other side of the earth is also described because they're also involved with goings on on the surface and vice versa. They go back and forth just like we go back and forth across the Atlantic

13:09 So, they're described but they're described in that way. It's kind of in stride. Yeah, kinda like it's just a gift – like its given knowledge and that is interesting but don't they talk about a cloud layer up in the sky that seems very different than the clouds we have now? Right? Well this was the idea and you can see it described in the Bible With this idea of 40 days rain and 40 nights of rain, that there was a cloud mantle around the earth. And they protected the beings on the earth from the radiations

13:49 from deep space and allowed human beings to grow taller, to have better brains, better memories quicker thinking and to have greater longevity also. So this is one thing that was described in Vedic times that there was a cloud mantle but when the Dwarpar Yuga came to an end and the Kali Yuga began, the cloud mantle disintegrated. Now let me make a point here also we know that Venus does have a cloud mantle that's for sure yeah we can observe it! And what were told for example is the Venera 9 probe in the middle of the 70s Russian probe they had several Veneras

14:41 Went to venus of course orbited it and dropped down a small probe that passed through the atmosphere of venus a parachute opened up. It spent 45 minutes floating down through the Venusian atmosphere until it landed on the surface. Now what they tell us is that because of the cloud mantle, that Venus becomes super-heated heated up to 950 degrees Fahrenheit now this gives us the idea that life cannot exist beneath a cloud mantle but

15:23 You know, I take all of these claims by space agencies with a grain of salt. I don't see how you know parachute can drift through an atmosphere especially wet atmosphere with clouds and whatever at 900, heated at 950 degrees Fahrenheit. It would burn up it would melt or something like that so this is something that's always surprised me and I think that you know their scope for accepting a cloud mantle around the earth without automatically aping in just automatically accepting the orthodox

16:08 You know astronomical scientific explanation that no this would kill all life because it would superheat the surface and whatever. I just thought i would mention that there is a cloud mantle, I mean its described but I think that civilization lived within it, you know. Right! It is super interesting to think about the world being so different but obviously these texts have been translated many times over and we were talking the other day about how they can be interpreted and how they relate to the hollow earth idea and you made good point about translation being

16:44 confined to the understanding of the translator. So, of course if a translator hasn't been presented with some of these ideas it can easily create warps in the translation which we've seen in certain descriptions of weaponry and the Bhagavad Gita for example but how does this translation issue apply to what we're talking about now? Well certainly there are translations of these Puranic narrations that don't mention the Hallow Earth aspect of the story at all And there are others that mention it, which is really a stark contrast to say the least. But I would certainly say it must be hard for these translators especially in the face of

17:31 the modern concepts of our planet, the configuration let's say of our planet to just all a sudden jump up and translate it oh the earth is hollow this is what our scripture says they may feel that this would be threatening to their scripture that their scripture would be considered as poppycock or something like Greek mythology or whatever so they hide these things maybe there little bit shamed or something like that But it's certainly there. The descriptions of the hollow earth and even cavern worlds are certainly there Now you mentioned the point that these texts have passed through, you know, the hands of one translator to another until they've reached us in modern times And this brings up the idea that perhaps some changes were made to these texts Yes You know maybe some exaggeration or something like that

18:29 But I'll bring up an interesting point. Of these Puranas, there are 18 of them that are especially prominent There is one which is a little bit different It belongs to certain community of Brahmins in India and they've kept it up let's say They have maintained it well What is said about this Purana, is that it has no interpolations in it. That's a closed book! You know, it was written in Vedic times, and ended in Vedic times... It didn't continue, wasn't updated and specifically its written in the same Sanskrit of the Vedic era And you don't find further comments or as I say these interpolation

19:22 which involved post-Vedic Sanskrit or much more recent Sanskrit. So what you find in the Bhagavata Purana is actually very genuine, the impression that everyone gets is that it's You know, it's the real McCoy. It hasn't been touched and hasn't been fooled with. It has been written in the same script you know? That kind of thing. And it does mention these Hollow Earth narrations, these Hollow Earth pastimes so that is kind of a control for us when we look at the work that other translators may or may not have done So I was thinking I would bring that point up

20:02 Yeah, that's definitely worth mentioning. I mean can you tell us about some of these areas in the text where they do discuss interactions with other beings on the planet and are those interactions like are they happening mainly around the times of massive earth changes? The changing of the yugas or like popping up here and there or is it more of a sustained relationship Well, let me – I would like to jump into that part but let me just make a comment on what you were saying for example about some of these exotic weapons that we see mentioned in Bhagavad Gita and other literature. What we see mentioned are arrows that seek and follow their prey which

20:48 remind us of missiles, guided missiles heat-seeking missile for example. We're also exposed to the idea of UFO's aircraft with UFO flight characteristics you know the fantastic speeds are the UFO and where they stop on a dime and make right angle turns that kind of thing we're also exposed too Voice activated weapons voice activated arrows arrows with a mantra on them which is programming such that they will do what they were told.

21:30 So when the British first went to India and started translating these texts, it was just Looney Tunes for them. It was just some crazy wild unacceptable description of what they were doing. of a culture and you know, whatever obviously. But nowadays we see these kinds of weapons so all the sudden it doesn't seem that far-fetched and when we think about the Vedic culture in these Vedic descriptions of the hollow earth, let's keep in mind what the Vedic culture was. It was a culture that had a written language which is much more sophisticated than our languages today of which lets say Latin German, the Indo-European languages were fragmentations simplified forms of Sanskrit

22:35 They were developed in terms of astronomy and calendar systems. They were developed in terms of mathematics, and we're talking about certainly algebra So these are not just like the Anamama Indians of Brazil that have some folk legend about, you know The Hall of Worth or something like that. These were actually Very at least a Brahmin cast they were very educated and had a lot of information And knowledge to their credit right and that is definitely worth acknowledging it helps strengthen in the case sure definitely

23:19 Now, the interactions with other beings do not seem to be related at all to earth changes or specifically to changes in yugas. I would say no! I would have to say no... I'll run a few of the narrations by you and try just give the gist and you get a feel for it then we can take it from there. We spoke about the Bhagavad Gita for example. The Bhagavad Gita is so well known, I mean I remember being in what was it 11th grade literature class and we studied Siddhartha and we also studied Bhagavad Gita the conversation between Krishna and Arjuna And I had taken up Transcendental Meditation and I had read the Maharishi's Bhagavad Gita I had read that Christopher Isherwood Bhagavad Gita

24:19 Timothy Leary quoted from Bhagavad Gita, you know it was that kind of thing. And so I mean it's a Hindu literature that is known to us so my God we talk about Vedas the Rig Veda and we talk about the Puranas who knows what in the world those things are? But maybe you remember high school studying the Bhagavad Gita like I did or maybe in Transcendental Meditation class you know as point of reference So, Bhagavad Gita is part of a larger literature called the Mahabharata. Mahabharata has something like 64000 verses to it, lines sentences to it, lines shlokas so that's incredible for one thing its very large The Bhagavad Gita is only one chapter in this whole history narrated history of the times of Krishna avatar

25:18 And what we find is that a few chapters before the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna was speaking to Arjuna's older brother who was the king whose kingdom had been usurped and on whose behalf Arjuna was going to enter the fray you know one army against another and try to recover it. But what Krishna was chatting with him about was the inner earthers and how they had made, all of them, the entire inner earth had made an alliance with Arjuna's opponents who was Duryodhana. That was his name, his Sanskrit name, Duryodhana And that they were going to be really formidable opponents

26:05 So this was just, you know as part of the chapter some of the developments. The things that they were talking about as they were discussing the coming battle and you know the hollow earth as I mentioned was mentioned in stride so that's one example but there is a nice example of an encounter that Krishna avatar had There was one point when he was living in his city Dwarka, which is supposed to be off of the coast of Bombay let's say but a little bit north of Bombay. Now it's supposed to be submerged on the continental shelf but there was a spectacular jewel that had been stolen and one of Krishna's associates was involved His name became besmirched

27:00 and Krishna wanted to set things straight. So he went with a few of the townspeople, to follow this path through the woods where the carrier of this jewel had been killed and the jewel disappeared They found this place they went little further and they found a lion that had been killed And apparently the lion had killed the messenger and taken the jewel That's the way it is described If human beings were more intelligent in those times, so were the animals. Conversations with birds for example appear in the Puranas. Weird! Yeah but this...in turn the lion had been killed and the jewel was not with him and somehow or other the Krishna avatar understood that it was taken by Jambavan to his underground lair

27:59 and Jambavan is described as a rickshaw or a bear, a huge bear. Although I've also seen him being translated as a gorilla... well whatever! But the Krishna avatar went to the cave entrance told his associates that they should go back to Dwarka that it would take a long time for him to go through the cave and come back. They insisted on waiting, and Krishna Avatar went through the tunnel system. Well it did take many days, he spent many days down there

28:37 Actually, he ended up visiting. And they did become discouraged and confused and they went back to Dvarka but what happened was that Krishna spent days going down through the tunnel until he came to a cavern world and it's described that the home of the riksha of the bear Jambavan was there. This is from where we get the word jumbo from Sanskrit because Jambavan was extremely huge. He was like a giant! And Krishna entered the home and he went into the playroom of Jambavan's boy, and the boy was there playing with the jewel that had been given to him by his father as an article to play with. It is described that the nanny of the boy became very frightened and she ran away and screamed

29:33 And soon Jambavan appeared in the room and became very angry because he felt that his boy was being threatened or something like that. And they went outside, and they battled with maces for actually many days until the rickshaw became weakened. He was actually like Hanuman, the monkey warrior, the great devotee of Ramachandra who is another avatar Because he was also, this riksha was also a great devotee of Rama. Of another Vishnu incarnation and He was very powerful and he realized in the middle of this combat that the only person this could be is Is a Vishnu incarnation because nobody else can stand up to me and fight for days on end like that

30:26 So he stopped the fighting and he questioned Krishna, you know who are You? Are You a Vishnu avatar and that kind of thing. And they, you know, Krishna had his enjoyment played how would you say...kind of prank, you know transcendental prank on His devotee and they became friends and He spent a few days there. And Jambavan was very happy to give back the jewel to the rifle owner so that things could be set straight and whatever. And Krishna went back to Dvarka, So this is very interesting you know it's not like we see some lair that is just a cave with bones lying around or things like that It's described there was home and even a nanny I mean this is just very unusual

31:18 Right. I mean these texts are really interesting to talk about and the stories are pretty cool, and they do have technology described that sort of matches up with modern days but for a lot of people when they hear about these These texts they kind of write them off as folklore or myth not to be taken literally And I mean things like conversations with animals those are hard for people to think of as as literal truth, do you think we're supposed to read these as literal stories? Well I certainly do think that it's a great barrier. It really is but to say that this took place in the different yugas is to say it took place in the different world

32:00 You know, it took place in a world where there was no radiation from outside. Where people were very telepathic. Where mantras were efficacious and they were like incantations that would manifest their results right before your very eyes manifest from the astral plane on the physical plane. This would take place especially through fire and their fire sacrifices I just think it's a real barrier, it really is and that's something that I became accustomed to over years

32:44 And something that I accept as typical of those times and of that atmosphere, the physics of the planet at that time. But you know, i have to kind of maybe leave you right there and just say it's a real barrier. I understand its one of those things you can only tell the stories and people have to make a decision on how literal they want to interpret them. But before we get too deep into this conversation, I'm hoping we give people a good visualization of how the Hollow Earth researchers generally see the planet because we're so used to their crust mantle solid core concept that seems so set in stone Can you give us a better understanding of the composition of the planet from this alternative perspective? Well let's see... The planet

33:36 has an outer shell. Alright, let's start with the shell! One thing that you would have to discuss is how thick is the shell? Now if you accept Newtonian gravity... If you accept that gravity is dependent or corresponds to the density of mass then you come up with a problem.. If the shell is too thick I mean, the idea is that the shell – gravity emanating from the center point of the planet. The idea would be that if there's a shell and cavity within, then the shell would come collapsing down upon itself, it would fragment and break

34:26 So this is one problem that's posed. And then if the shell, I mean that's the shell... If it were too thick all right that wouldn't happen because the structure would maybe be strengthened but then you have a very small cavity and you have you have particles from the Sun that bring heat with them, they bounce around on the inside. They would heat up to cavity to an unbearable temperature and if there is a... If the inner sun so-to-speak we call it as a sun if it has any nuclear

35:04 component to it, a nuclear element. Radiation? Yeah radiation! How can you have radiation in an enclosed space like that with just little openings at the polar extremes so this is something that has to be worked out gravity has to be understood I mean you have to change physics to look at a Hollow Earth planet You really do. You would have to throw Newtonian physics out the door and you could just imagine what that is Yeah, I mean it's tough because it seems like Newtonian physics checks out mathematically. It seems like there are a lot of implications about orbits and mass and all that kind of stuff that is over my head that smarter people than me seem to be in agreement with. They seem to have worked it out mathematically so yeah the implications of the earth being so different are huge

35:59 Well, you can make any description that you'd like through a language even the language of math and you can write fiction in English. You could write fiction with math so when we're talking about the orbits they have to make up masses and invent mass in order to make the celestial mechanics Kepler's laws and all that actually function. And then they say, well this planet must have a massive nickel core and the other one has to be you know maybe I don't know I'm speculating here but tin you know lighter metal because like that yeah so they make that up. They plug in all of the holes. So don't take that too seriously But then one thing becomes very interesting is if you see gravity as

36:51 gravity effects caused by electromagnetic force. This becomes very interesting because it doesn't depend on density of matter and also diminishing down into the, penetrating down into the crust of the Earth you can expect the radiation to diminish or even for its frequency to change. I mean, think about a radio you take a small radio like the old Walkman radios whatever transistor radio and you go into a building which is a big building maybe with some thick cement walls and then in lobby maybe your still receiving you can hear your music but then if you going into interior of the building

37:43 You know, you've got so much...so many walls. So much matter between you and the source of the radiation that you can't receive anymore. You can't hear your radio. It doesn't get through it doesn't work inside, you know? So gravity would be like that on the outer surface The gravity effects can be very pronounced but as we penetrate through the crust through the shell of the Earth, we would expect gravity effects if gravity effects are caused by an electromagnetic radiation. We would expect those... The radiation to drop off in intensity and gravity effects to diminish also so this would mean that you could have structure in the middle of the crust without any weight You could have mass without weight or without much weight

38:33 That is interesting because I have had some guests on the show who've claimed to reverse engineer UFO craft or to have made it on their own and they talk about that. They say that there's an electromagnetic relationship to gravity, and that is how crafts are able to hover and turn on a dime because they're using some type of force or harnessing some type of energy that we don't consider in our everyday life. And it does, it insinuates a fundamental misunderstanding of gravity. So, it is interesting that you would equate gravity to that because it does show up in other areas too. Yes definitely!

39:15 I'll go along with them. What you're seeing when you think about UFOs is repulsion, gravity actually does exhibit repulsion it's like two positive poles of a magnet going against each other there's repulsion and there are even monorail trains that are elevated above the surface because of magnetic repulsion well magnetic particles, magnetized particles. They also have positive and negative poles they also have canopies you know like a magnetic canopy around their particles very similar to the electromagnetic

39:56 effects, very similar. I mean same thing basically so there you have it you know the earth emanates this electromagnetic radiation and the atom has a net positive charge they say that atom is neutral but there was one scientist in early 20th century what was his name Lippincott And he came up with some experiment that proved that the atom has a net positive charge. And, he was poo-pooed about it and just kind of scoffed aside and later on they made up to him and won the Nobel Prize for some relatively unimportant discovery that he had made But... That's why our feet are firmly planted on the ground because the atom has a net positive charge

40:49 But then if something has a negative charge, like UFO or cloud. Clouds are full of electricity that means they're full of electrons that means they're negatively charged then to the degree you're negatively charged your going to float. Interesting. Now let me ask you Again for the skeptics trying to get them on board some of the hardcore rationalists, the scientists out there. Are there any unresolved issues or discrepancies and conventional ideas of the Earth's geology or physics that are resolved by the Hollow Earth model?

41:29 Any discrepancies? Well, I would say so. You have the orthodox idea that the inner Earth is a dynamo and that this is what you know...you have different spheres rotating on top of each other and it creates some dynamo effect and there's electricity There's magnetism generated also The magnetic canopy around the Earth is generated in this way It's not such a tenable theory. First of all, you have strata of the Earth which is all molten rock and then if you have a dynamo effect, you have magnetism being generated from the center of the Earth how could it pass through these heated layers? Because heat destroys magnetic properties and so much magnetism that

42:27 It envelops the entire earth in this magnetic canopy and is so strong at the poles. There are dynamo theory for producing heat to drive, heat and energy to drive geological processes and produce the magnetic canopy. It's not very tenable but think about a hollow earth with openings at the polar extremes what you actually have is a solenoid Solenoids are used in switches, electric switches. Especially in cars like ignition switches and the idea is that a magnetic charged particle with the north and south pole, a positive and negative pole with openings at the polar extremes which is hollow solenoid when it spins generates a magnetic canopy

43:27 And there you have something, proven science. There's no contradiction that says well we haven't figured it out yet but in the future we will know. You know there is nothing like that if the Earth is hollow with openings at the polar extremes its a solenoid If it spins its got a magnetic canopy That's all there is to it. And then what about energy and heat to drive geological processes? Well, this could be accounted for by particles from the sun that pass through the earth but get caught up say in hollows

44:08 openings and spaces between different strata, between continental plates and the rock below it for example. And they build up there just like batteries you know that they store heat their particles get trapped there and then you have electricity within the earth When these explode because of sunspot activity, solar flares and excess charge of electricity building up within the Earth when it reaches a certain point and they explode just like a battery that's being overcharged might explode. Then this would account for earthquakes for example. That is interesting! And lot of this does tie into that idea

44:57 the light particles from the sun and how we think about them a little bit differently. And I know the farthest out aspect of this is the idea of an internal sun, and that's where a lot of people call bullshit because it seems so foreign to our understanding but you've explained it just now and you explained it to me in a way the other day that made it seem more reasonable that it's more like a loose collection of light particles that pass through the outer layers of the earth and illuminate the inner cavity rather than being A Sun-like star or anything like that And I guess what's weird is people just have to think about the idea of light particles passing through the earth which you know, I It's outside of my expertise to know if that's rational or not But if I can visualize it. It seems to make sense

45:45 Yeah, well this is another obstacle to overcome. Something has to be understood How do you get light within the crust in the cavern worlds? They're enclosed And then you've got this hollow cavity which is very big but the openings are actually relatively small I mean they don't let in a lot of sunlight Not at all. So how do you get sunlight, how do you get heat and warmth to make vegetation grow within the hollow earth? A hollow sun has been stipulated, theorized because it's been seen by explorers, Arctic explorers who approached the pole

46:35 During the Arctic night, the explorer Nansen for example who was knighted by the King of Norway for his expedition in the 1890s. He made two very significant expeditions and one of them had him graze the opening and in the arctic night they saw the sun on the horizon a copper-collared Sun on the horizon, but it was on the wrong horizon. It was on the wrong side and this was a couple of weeks or something like that before the actual sun of the solar system was supposed to rise anyway so in the middle of the dark night they're wondering what is this doing here? How do we have this sun on the horizon in the wrong place

47:25 So we know there's a sun in there, that's the idea. But then what is this sun like? It has been described as being copper-colored The idea that we have from the descriptions take it or leave it of Olaf Janssen who was young Norwegian boy in 1848 who actually made it in let say with his father on their fishing sloop not a very big boat there were only two of them But he described the Sun as being also copper-colored, as being kind of nebulous. Nebulous in the sense that it looked like an agglomeration of particles and it didn't look like the sun or solar system that has a very well defined disk, a very well defined edge to it, it wasn't like that. The edge was... Well, it was an agglomeration of particles

48:25 What would be the idea here? What do we theorize we theorized that Electrons and all the particles that come from the sun. They're all electrons are all negatively charged That they are composed in the ultimate issue of photons They are photon aggregates, that's what how we would describe electrons this is coming from a hollow earther named Joseph H cater who He was more active in the 50s and 60s. He's elderly now. Gotcha

49:05 Yeah, I mean it that aspect of it is super interesting but I feel like we've done a pretty good job of explaining it or mainly you. But let's go through some of these stories. You mentioned the expeditions in the Arctic and I've heard you describe some pretty strange navigational behavior near the North Pole on some those early expeditions to discover it and you equate that to the false assumption that the Earth as a sphere where in reality at the north and south poles they sort sink in like big punch bowls long before you get near the actual pole or the hollow earth entrance. Can you tell us about those early expeditions and that aspect to the Earth's geology? Well, I can but perhaps you'd give me just a few seconds to wrap up very quickly what I was actually driving at with these particles that pass through the Earth when they make it to the hollow portion some of these particles

50:02 and they bounce around, they break up into their constituent photons. And that's how you have this omnipresent light that manifests in the hollow cavity. And they, in The Ultimate Issue, congregate to the middle and that's how the Sun is formed. Maybe we should go to the outer surface then? Sure! Speak about the contour of the planet So the idea that people have of the planet is that maybe it's like an egg on its side. The curvature of the Earth tends to flatten out until it becomes completely flat at the North and South Poles, And this is true to a great degree but if there is a hollow Earth with openings then what we actually have is a basin

50:56 It's like an hourglass, which is thin at the neck but the outer edges...the inward grade. The inward slope or angle starts out very I say not very acutely, you know and a very slight. And then it becomes acute as it gets closer to the neck of the opening like an hourglass and then it would open up within until it takes on the contour of the inner surface so this is very important has do with navigation because the Arctic explorers in 1800s were always getting lost they were always getting lost because they didn't know

51:41 about their latitude, you know. They were not on an outward sloping latitude. The whole Arctic basin is a basin the whole Arctic Ocean is a basin it's an inward sloping basin so your grade has actually turned inward such that when you use the sextant to calculate your position uh...you end up making some huge errors And this showed up in the log books of Dr. Cook, who claimed he discovered the North Pole but who was ridiculed because as he approached the pole he spoke about making progress of something like 48 miles 53 miles a day and that was of course ridiculous across the Arctic ice and then few years later Admiral Perry

52:38 was awarded the honor of having discovered the North Pole, and his logbook made more ridiculous claims along the same lines. He as he approached the pole, he was making speeds up to 73 miles a day across the ice so the Admiral, he got the prize and the doctor, he got ridiculed and treated very badly But what makes this happen? You're going up a certain slope until you reach the outer rim, which is actually flat. And then when you start edging downward and going inward

53:22 Something happens you know your it's the same effect that you would have a few in an auditorium which is dark like in the movie theater and you have the ushers with these flashlights in their hands, and when they flick their wrist they can cover just a little bit of distance. but it gives the impression of having covered a large distance across the ceiling of the auditorium. So, it's something like that you travel a few miles and the grade becomes very sharp It goes from outward sloping to inward sloping And when you project this against your celestial navigation it seems like you just made 73 miles of progress that day

54:07 So this means that you're getting over the hump and you're really going down into the sharper angle of the hollow earth opening. But, you don't realize it because all you see is flat land stretching out all around you but your navigation will tell you that you are getting close because the inward grade is getting steeper This is one effect of the inward slope People get lost and they report these speeds Right, that's a good explanation because I think for me when I first started hearing about the Hollow Earth it was hard to visualize to get a solid grasp on how those pole openings work because I think the first thought would be that it's kind of like coming up to the edge of a massive cliff and It's nothing like that. It seems almost like a big hill in the ocean and you go up And then you start coming down the other side almost like

55:06 the momentum of a roller coaster. Right, right! Is that accurate? I would go along with that but to give you an idea of the slightness of the grade at least in the beginning right above what is Ellesmere Island in fact there must have been they were still on Ellesmere island in Canada which would have put them this was who this was Admiral This was Admiral Perry. He wrote four years in the Arctic North, in the White North something like that but what he recorded as they were traveling northward that there was foreshortening of the horizon and he mentioned a mountain, he mentioned a hill so he was not on the ice yet. He was still on Ellesmere this puts him 500 miles away from the North Pole

56:05 And what he said was that they would see the tip of this mountain or this hill sticking up above the horizon in their binoculars. So, they would say okay that's nine miles away at the horizon and they were... They would head towards it but they would arrive very quickly like maybe after six miles and this tells us that the slope, the angle of the curvature is already Already has a downward and inward slope to it, but you know by the time you get to the North Pole I mean that's that's a very slight slope. It's not very sharp at all no it's not like a precipice It's not like the edge of a cliff

56:49 And, man you know this isn't a visual show but if anybody is second-guessing this information or thinking you know we have people out on an international space station why can't they see this? We have satellite imagery of the earth. Why can't they see this? You actually can if you google hollow earth polar opening you can see video and photographs of a strange opening at the North Pole. And in the age of Photoshop, it is really tough to know what is real and what isn't especially when you're looking at random images but I've seen some pretty convincing images in your slideshow presentations and I wish people could see that right now. Well one thing that I'll say about orbits

57:36 Almost all orbits are equatorial orbits. So, you know it must be very hard to get a good view of the hollow earth You'd have to be above it to really see the opening so that's one problem there are very few satellites that have polar orbits they're mostly military satellites and There is one satellite clip which is labeled AMSA, A-M-S-A. And they tell me it's a Japanese weather agency something like that as their satellite there are several clips like it but what you will see above Greenland between Baffin Bay say between Greenland and Ellesmere Island in Zemlia this would be called Nova Zemlia

58:33 what you see is a round circle, around whitish circle. Now there are white smears all across the Arctic but this one is always there in the same place above Greenland and between these two opposite points from the pole it's always there and its always very circular but though the white is different And the way I would interpret that Is that you have warm humid air coming from within, it's warmer to the outer polar air which is extremely frigid and of course it condenses and forms fog. And this fog reflects a different color to it has a different tint to it than say the ice, the surrounding ice because you know the ice is thicker denser whatever

59:26 So that tips us off. It's in the area where all the Arctic anomalies have been noticed, that indicate we're close to an opening near the area where polar explorers always notice that animals are migrating for winter but they're migrating northward from that area where they say well the wind is blowing but when it comes from the north during the winter its warmer And then the ice on deck starts melting from that area where the pollen clouds come blowing across the entire ice scape and cover the entire surface with pollen, this orangish pollen. Et cetera et cetera That's where we think the opening is and that's where we see this whitish disk

1:00:20 So that's, yeah. That's fairly good evidence right there. Yeah it's super interesting and I like that its able to be backed up by some of those... Some of the satellite images it's it's super interesting and contradictory to everything I've ever been taught but we've kind of bogged the people down with science and these ain't knowledge of the ancient texts And we're about at the halfway point of what we were gonna do here Let's look at some of the stories. The a massive amount of anecdotal evidence that The earth is different especially around those pole areas, I think a lot of them are a good place to start they come out of

1:00:59 what's typically known as the age of exploration. You know, when Europe got their ships out there in the 1400s and 1500s is that when we start to see these stories coming out? Well Greg just let me give your listeners a tip about satellite quality evidence. Sure There's the RadarSat program And that is a known program, it's European Space Agency program. What it did was very well documented everything that it did was published they have a website They did radar mapping of the entire surface of the Earth including the ocean floor

1:01:40 And that's some evidence you can sink your teeth into. Instead of saying, well there is this clip going around and what it shows and it looks like its in the right place but you know, it says it's AMSA but we don't really know where it's from I mean when it says... You go into the RadarSat, you're really in the middle of the whole Radarsat program and the RadarSat images of the southern Antarctic opening are really very, how would you say? Very indicative. Very indicative! You can see the slope very well. You could see as it gets darker, as you get towards the middle of the opening and the slope gets steeper because of course the radar is not having good resonance because the slope I mean in the ultimate issue it goes sideways, you know doesn't reflect back up so that has some good quality

1:02:37 evidence, satellite evidence if they want to look up some of the RadarSat Holoworth opening that you know some if they Google that kind of thing they'll find some good images there. Okay okay cool But you were talking about the age of exploration maybe you want to know when it all started? Yeah is that's when we see some other these strange accounts start to form Well apparently the Eskimos always had contact with the Scandinavians and Their folklore told about the world where it's always illuminated and there is no darkness. Because that's another aspect of the Holoworth, I mean you're not going to have darkness down there so that's a separate issue but they had

1:03:29 their folklore, their information about this world because they were inhabitants of the Arctic Basin. So they knew what was up there and the Scandinavians have always had their folklore going back to before the Christian era at least talking about their gods, their demigods Thor who is Jupiter, you know the land of Thor where the people are giants and where the sun never sets in a land where there's no horizon. So these concepts were always known to them even way back then so that's one point of reference another point of reference would be Leif Erikson

1:04:15 because he founded that colony in Greenland right at the turn of the millennium, at the end of the 900s you might recall. And that was a colony that flourished very much so because of support that came from Europe they sent a boat or two every year to bring supplies and things people couldn't manufacture and that colony went on for years Now, the bubonic plague beset Europe in something like the late 1200s. And they were not able to maintain contact with their colony in Greenland anymore. This was between Greenland and North America that it was on that side of Greenland, the colony

1:05:12 And in the meantime, the Scandinavians had passed control of the colony to the Danes because the Danes were a bigger wealthier or more populated country and they could handle the expenses. So they stepped up and took over by that time but contact was lost and something like couple hundred years went by And then just like maybe 50 years before the Columbus discovery, people started to wonder well whatever happened to this colony? You know we left these people there. There were hundreds of people there what if they flourished worth they're still alive What if they still speak their Norse language you know that We have a Christian duty and that kind of thing and they sent a ship and the ship found the remains of the colony

1:06:09 And they were able to communicate with the Eskimos and ask what happened. And the Eskimos told them that the Vikings ended up trekking, up towards the north across the Arctic ice to the inner world where it's always illuminated and the sun never sets and all that So that's, you know, that's another point of reference. Even from before Columbus they were coming back and saying well they went into the Hall of Worth You know That's crazy And you mentioned Scandinavia which of course I've heard you talk about The origins of the Santa Claus story Which come from that region and there there's a tie-in to the inner earth possibly would you like to tell that anecdote?

1:07:01 Well, yeah. That's very interesting – the Santa Claus folklore. The idea is that this holy person comes with elf-like creatures. I mean, who knows? Maybe they were Eskimo helpers or maybe actual elves but he came from the inner earth from the north and he was a great mystic He was a holy man and a great mystic And he would come on this huge sleigh and he would bring supplies and food and things to help the people during the winter. And you know, like any holy man I guess he lived for others and believed in charity and that kind of thing and helped the people. This is one of their myths! This was the whole beginning of the Santa Claus myth. The Santa Claus came from the inner earth. Amazing! It is funny when you tie it into that but

1:08:00 How about the Smithsonian Institute? That's all hollow earth right there. It was founded by Smithson, a Scotsman who after the revolution bequeathed great fortune to the establishment of these museums and also some money to fund an expedition to go to the Arctic and find opening to the hollow earth to explore it inside and bring back examples of its fauna and vegetation and to display them in this museum that was built. That was the first museum, the original Smithsonian Museum So the whole Smithsonian Museum was built in order to showcase the findings from the Hall of Worth when they got back from their expedition Can you believe that one?

1:08:49 Right, and that's funny because there was or there is an author who just recently put out a book I was supposed to have him on the show but it isn't able to happen he's fell ill or something but He wrote a book that is all about the Smithsonian's cover-up. Richard Dewhurst, he wrote this book about the Smithsonian's cover up of any artifacts that come through about giants they seem to take them in but they never reach display they always seem to get lost and then they seem to go missing or become hidden and that's interesting because these giants are thought of to possibly have come from the inner earth we hear stories about him in various

1:09:34 ancient texts and there's plenty of myths about giants, but apparently that's where they might have came from. Yes! And not only the cavity but also from cavern worlds these giant human beings they've been seen in other parts of the world who was it? Captain Cook not Dr. Cook but Captain Cook the English explorer he ran across one of these giant people, I think they're supposed to have been eight nine feet tall a tribe that was living in the Andes Mountains but down there in Patagonia he was able to actually capture one of them and But the person jumped off the ship In the middle of the ocean when they were taking you know after they had already put to sea and who knows what happened to him but they couldn't recover him

1:10:31 So that's one example, and then we have the Amazon warriors that were encountered by the Spanish expedition headed up by Orellana. And I've really looked into that one and it's very much for real. They had a chronicler with them. They had a church friar with them who had studied and who was literate, and whatever. And he was writing down a report keeping a log of the whole expedition – sensible man, educated man, religious man not apt to tell lies we wouldn't think

1:11:12 They had to battle their way as there are two boats went down the Amazon River from the Peruvian headwaters towards the Atlantic and Around the middle let's say they encountered this would be near the city of Santarém in Brazil if you look on a good map, you'll see that city along the the Amazon River, a little bit above Santarem. They encountered... well they became engulfed in this battle with Indians an Indian tribe and there were many of these Amazon ladies among the Indians and they were the ones marshalling the battle giving orders running the whole show And they were described as being very muscular

1:12:05 They were much more muscular than their Indian counterparts and they were described as being taller than the tallest Spaniard. That's for those times, but a palm would be something like eight inches So eight inches taller than the tallest of their people on their expedition there were 50 of them so you can imagine these ladies they were You know, maybe from the shoulder. People will come up to their shoulders maybe or maybe just below the neck, just below the shoulders that's also possible.

1:12:47 So there I mean and and they they are described. They are related to cavern worlds the Amazon Warriors these lady warriors the female warriors you may not realize it, but Christopher Columbus on the island of Guadalupe He was told by the Indians that there were Lady warriors that that lived in the caverns inside the earth and they would come out sometimes and And battle and kill and take hostages and things like that. So they seem to have had their underground aspect.

1:13:26 Because, you know, you don't find them. They disappeared. Yeah interesting So let me bring us back to this era of exploration a bit in the 1500s and that that kind of era it seems like if there were discoveries and an orchestrated effort made to keep information from the public because clearly You know the powers-that-be The shadowy elites that run the planet they have to know this information and keep it hidden And it seems like And that would be the era where, at least among a certain level of leaders it seems that's where that concerted effort would start to happen. I mean are there any stories from that time that jive with that idea?

1:14:11 Well, there was Sir Martin Frobisher during the times when Elizabeth and Drake were terrorizing the seas. And Frobisher was one of them he was a one of her sea captains right up there with Drake He was commissioned to go to the Arctic and explore the arctic shores. And he was given a map, the Frobishier Map which shows the Arctic Shores basically But it shows some inner shores, and the idea you get is that the person was passing through the opening. And then when you pass through the opening what you see around you because you know you're coming through a hole and then it opens up down below. What you see around you was the other coastline there was another coastline shown in the map. Interesting! Yeah so... There's that. Then there was Henry Cabot

1:15:10 Another explorer who was looking for the Northwest Passage, well he disappeared but supposedly he was poking up there and then when they were searching for the lost Franklin Expedition around 1850 all of the explorers especially the military rescuers especially the military ones were warned about not going Up above and across the Arctic they didn't want them to go poking around up there You know there might be some reason for that, but certainly when you get to The Explorer or I just mentioned his now Nansen a Norwegian. I mean he definitely He wrote down everything that says hollow earth hollow earth hollow Earth here's the opening But he didn't come out and say a hollow world

1:16:11 You know? His ship came very close to the opening and as I mentioned, they were the ones that reported all of these warm temperatures. They were the ones that found mammal life in the middle of the Arctic Ocean not even once they came close to Greenland but on the other side of the opening when they were really in the middle of the Arctic there was no food chain for these mammals what you call them, wolves. They came across wolves they came across very large hare rabbits and also land birds also seals these things are not supposed to exist in the middle of a frozen ocean during the winter of all things I've mentioned already some

1:17:05 the anomalies that he found. But just to give you an idea of how dramatic it was, there was one point where he separated from the ship on a sled with dogs and he and Joe Hanson? No! He and one of the crew members went towards the North Pole they wanted to conquer the North Pole but the ice was very... There were ridges, ice ridges make it and they had to turn back. But this was in March, well this was in April. Now April let's say a hundred miles from the North Pole is very frigid I mean the temperatures are supposed to be so cold you know 20 degrees below zero those are typical temperatures even in April don't think that because its April it warms up It doesn't warm up until

1:18:05 maybe July, a little bit before July and a little bit into August. And that's all there is and then it starts very quickly getting cold again But what Nansen said is that he couldn't get to sleep at night, and they were having trouble with their sleep typically because the temperatures were too hot. And he mentioned that during the day we set up a tent and got underneath the shade because we were being scorched by the heat of the sun Wow, that's not what you would think would happen up in the Arctic Circle. No it is not and then there was Perry again who at the very top of Greenland was reporting temperatures of 50 degrees and a warm wind coming from the North Pole in February

1:18:54 Now that's the worst month of winter. And he was very close, I mean he was at top of Greenland He was only a few hundred miles away That is impossible! At his base camp which... ...He was 200 miles away from his base camp His base camp was Toul where they have their Air Force Base now They reported temperatures on the same days Which were not 50 degrees but way below zero Man yeah, that's that's interesting so I guess let's fast-forward. I guess let's bring it up to Olav Janssen which was in the 1800s? 1800s right he seems to be this is like where the majority of the information Seemed about the inner earth seems to come from he seems to be one of those few people who's gotten in and got now And told the tale

1:19:49 Right you mentioned him a little bit earlier, but let's get into the meat of what he saw down there What he described because it's pretty interesting. Yeah Olaf Janssen I mean and I don't argue from the platform of Olaf Janssen although I have great faith in the book Because you just can't prove it Nobody's even been able to prove the birth certificate of a Norwegian named Olaf Janssen and his father was Jens Jansen. And even he died in Los Angeles, it was already in the 1900s, so he was very old but that hasn't been... you know nobody has been able to substantiate that either and this is like 1910 or 1911 how do they get hospital records?

1:20:33 And you don't even know which hospital, it's just in Los Angeles somewhere from way back then. It's very unsubstantiated but his father took the boy on a fishing expedition they went to Spitsbergen and they went to Franz Josef Islands and let's say from Iceland then over towards the actual above Russia, they went laterally And then he told his boy, let's go to the land of the Norwegian gods. Let's go to the land of Thor and you know let's go check it out I guess this father was a little eccentric You know? Yeah! I don't what kind fits The boys mother was going through when they disappeared But they went across towards Siberia and he also reported the warm winds and he reported this Mok Sun

1:21:29 being off the bow, while at the same time they were seeing the sun of the solar system off their stern. And that the further they would go it seemed like higher up the sun of the inner earth rose while the sun of the solar system was falling below the horizon in other words they were nosing inwards And they finally made it in and they described a Mediterranean climate, and that they sailed along for awhile. A few days. And they came across a ship

1:22:07 and it seemed to be some kind of tourist ship, and the people were singing songs. And it was the hugest ship that you could ever imagine I mean for him in those days who knows perhaps nowadays we have ships that would be similar in size but they were discovered by this ship on their little sloop and very quickly a let's say a type Captain's launch or something like that, or lifeboat or whatever was launched by the ship with no apparent ropes or anything like that. It was just lowered and it very quickly approached them and the people were giants and they had beards and they were very friendly and they made nice offers for the two Norwegians to come with him on their boat and go back to the ship

1:23:03 So they jumped off of their fishing sloop and went with these people, and they quickly went back to the boat. And they were brought up, and there they were on decks surrounded by these hollow earthers. And the hollow earthers were the same race as they were – the same as the Scandinavians. Nordic looking. We can see the Nordics and the Russians as being maybe spillage or offshoots or wanderers from the hollow earth that lived in the Arctic shores perhaps before the cloud mantle fell, and it just became separated from their homeland but these people were Nordic looking they spoke a language which Olaf Janssen said he later on realized was very close to Sanskrit

1:23:54 He said that his father who was six foot something, 6'4", 6'6", only came up to the belt buckle of the shortest of them. Oh my God! Yeah he said that they were very elegant and they had ease of manners and grace that only comes with good breeding And he was treated very nicely Trees he was taken on tours. He mentioned trees that would dwarf the redwoods of California he mentioned mammoth that Also would dwarf the elephants of the surface? He mentioned that an apple was the size of a man's head He mentioned that a bunch of grapes was as tall as as a man I think he means a man of the surface That the fruit was much sweeter tasting that the seeds were smaller and

1:24:51 And he was even taken to see the king or the emperor of one of them, and they were treated very nicely. Their ship was filled with – their boat was filled with gold and after two years they decided to go back to their destiny in their world on the surface. He tried to go northwards, they had some problem with the winds working against them. It was the wrong season you know the earth breathes so they decided to just follow the wind down the southern side and come out that way and that they sailed out of the Arctic Ocean and sailed into the Indian Ocean this suggests that actually although it's covered with ice

1:25:39 that Antarctica does have a channel going through it, or did. And at any rate their ship had a problem on the Indian Ocean they were still very close to Antarctica and especially since it was too weighty with gold and the ship sank, it went plop! And it sank and his father was quickly drowned, his father was below decks or something like that. And the ship sank like a gold weight I'm not going to say like a lead weight and he was lucky enough to make it to one of the icebergs they were sailing through icebergs and about two three hours later He saw whaling Whaler's Ship and he was picked up by the Whaler and taken home anyway he was seen as being rather crazy and had some problems

1:26:40 But that's his story. That's interesting man, those detailed accounts of the fruit and the beans it's pretty interesting to me I guess one of the most famous accounts anyone who has heard of The Hollow Earth has probably heard of The Admiral Byrd Story I was a little surprised to hear that you don't put much stock in that story because for the lack of evidence maybe similar to Olav Janssen's story but can you give the cliff notes to the Admiral Byrd story for people who haven't heard it because its pretty interesting too. Well there is a positive side to the Admiral Byrd uh...story, there were trailers in the nineteen twenties when they were silent movies still of Admiral Byrd having discovered

1:27:31 a continent in the middle of the Arctic Ocean. And this had been spoken about, either continent or huge island because of the mirages they were seeing you know? Of course this Admiral Byrd did this on an aircraft he explored and aircraft and aircraft had a camera on it there was a film clip showed in the trailer supposedly the hollow earth And there, yeah. Now the Hollow Earth movement let's say has been around for a long time every generation has picked up the banner and carried it and we still have a couple of old timers that are around that were from the 1970s in 60s

1:28:22 And they knew about these trailers and they did their business. They interviewed some people who were very aged at that time, who remember being very young and remember hearing about the continent in the Arctic. And they remember seeing that trailer in films and vegetation and all of that and their names were given, and where they lived. And there was publications back then one of them was Mary Martin's The Hollow Earth Hassle she called it And uh... It was a like a monthly magazine with hollow earth information on it and some of these interviews were published so that's something positive about Bird Yeah But then there are other things about bird that just don't make sense There is one

1:29:15 Harley Bird, who was supposed to be his nephew who rescued the logbook, Bird's logbook from his historic discovery flight when it was in the coffin and he was there for the viewing before the burial. And then he picked it up but no one was looking and slipped into a suit pocket. Then he was going around North America What do you call them? You know, congresses and expositions. Speaking tour, yeah! And showing this

1:29:53 this diary and speaking about the hollow earth and all that. And you know, you can't substantiate that at all! The guy's disappeared... Does the Byrd family speak for him? Has he ever gone to where the Byrd family lives? And the descendants of Byrds say oh yes this is Harley, our cousin or something like that. Nothing like that no substantiation at all. Yeah that is a shame but was his Journal supposed did supposedly contain any descriptions of what he saw on his well i just read all the mission i don't know if there was exactly a journal i mean this is just harley who says that there was a journal and then he had it with him.

1:30:41 There are other problems with Bird though, because he was supposed to be on this naval expedition Operation High Jump in 1947 which went down to Antarctica and explored. But at the same time while the expedition was down there, he was attending events. He attended one event, this was discovered by Dennis Crenshaw Who has a Holoworth site and who is a long-time Holoworther, and who wrote an article about it. He has the newspaper clipping. Bird was up in New York attending some public function. So – now that's not impossible because they had a…

1:31:23 couple of aircraft carriers involved in that expedition and there was one aircraft carrier further down and another aircraft carrier halfway to Melbourne. And I imagine they had supply ships going back and forth, and I don't think it would have been impossible for him too you know as they were making their way down for him to go back to the States and spend a week or two there getting instructions And maybe he attended some event too and then he went back down when they were approaching the continent, you know. But these things are contradictions and they haven't been explained very well so... What did his expedition find? Were there any interesting details about the inner world or anything? I can tell you the only things I've heard and… You're not…I mean, I didn't tell this before but the one that got this from was my father

1:32:23 Oh, wow. Yeah my father was he joined the Navy in 1936 He's an original plank owner original member of the cruiser Brooklyn and after World War II course he was still in the Navy he stayed in until 56 And he was on that expedition and the way this came to my attention Is that during the Barry Goldwater campaign, I was just a little boy and Johnson was running these ads against him where it showed this big nuclear mushroom cloud. And it depicted Goldwater as being irresponsible or something like that. And I remember my mother and father were talking about Armageddon and what could destroy the world? He brought up this expedition

1:33:16 And she always got on, and she got on him. This was the first time I was really about eight years old. I remember the house we were living in then and She got on him about how you know there you go again with that stuff that you were on the Bennington but when you got back to Australia or something like that You wrote me a letter and you said you were on the Philippine Sea And they always said that you were on the Philippine Sea and later on you did a tour of Bennington. He was swearing, no I only served in Bennington twice. She would say well I wish I had kept that letter. I don't know why you keep saying that? I don't know why but he didn't want to say that he was on the Philippine Sea which is the one that went down there

1:34:05 But he told her at this time when we were watching this commercial on television, it was in the afternoon. I remember everything that happened that day and he told her that the pilots they went down there and they Investigated and they flew because there were reports of Nazi UFOs down there or flying saucers or some weird contraptions like that. And they got jumped, and we lost a few aircraft. They came limping home and they landed on the deck and we had to hightail it out of there

1:34:51 And he, I remember him telling her she was trying to ask what was it you know what did they find and he was saying well it was sort of a depression that there in there in the depression there. And that's where they were staying. And he just, he didn't have any exact information because come on, he was a chief petty officer. They didn't tell him about it you know? But there was scuttlebutt on the ships and that's all anybody knows about these aircraft went down there and – a lot of aircraft. And they were encountered by UFOs, they were treated abruptly. They opened fire or something like that – there were exchanges and they really got whipped. Lost aircraft.

1:35:37 And see you I mean, I guess the prevailing theory is that these were Nazi crafts? I mean, I know there's a lot of weird occult themes and strange technology That surround the Nazis and they took a lot of interest in the polls. Some even think Hitler did escape to Antarctica I mean do you think they were aware of the inner earth? Well, it's funny They sent the expedition to the African side new Schwaben land There were two or three large ships and they did have a couple of seaplanes with them and they did do a lot of exploring but they were on the wrong side. They were exploring because they were looking for the entrance to the hollow earth, exactly why they couldn't find it in the Arctic? Why didn't decide to scour the arctic near to home because there's so much

1:36:28 Folklore about an opening in the Arctic. That's something I don't understand why they would go down to Antarctica But okay, they did that that one new Schwaben land expedition is well documented but as far as the Nazis establishing a base down there You know, the new Schwabenland ships didn't establish any bases. They were not exactly cargo ships that had tractors and cement and bulldozers and things like that. And then when you ask people well how – what is this about a Nazi base in Antarctica? They always talk about U-boats that went down to Antarctica and carried supplies and things like that.

1:37:12 You know, they call them U-boats because they were boats. They weren't ships. They were very small really if you've ever been on a World War II submarine because they have a lot of them that you could go on tours but they're not very big at all like three or four PT boats long that's all so how do you put supplies on one of them? They don't have a cargo bay And how do they have enough fuel to get all the way down to Antarctica and back? They could make it to New York and back, but they couldn't make it to Florida or Texas. The few times they did that, they would go in a pack of like five or six, then one submarine would give half its

1:37:55 of its fuel to the one that was designated and then that submarine would go back. And then the other ones would accompany, and they would all give it fuel until they got to a certain point and they will come back. Then the one that was the last submarine was down there around the Florida coast with full tanks of fuel. It sunk few ships and then it came back. That happened a few times but that just goes to show you, they didn't have the range to go to Antarctica and come back. They couldn't even make it to Florida Hmm. Yeah, that makes it suspect so to get into these we don't have a whole lot of time left I want to get into some of these really interesting Far out stories about the inner earth or beings from the cavern worlds one that you told me the other day that I thought was really Interesting was a story about the Russians in Afghanistan in the 1920s what's deal with that story? Well, let's see That was a Russian division

1:38:58 That was a division. It was not just a few Russian soldiers and they were fighting a pitched battle with Afghan freedom fighters or whatever, Good lord, that stuff's been going on for so long in Afghanistan. Yeah if it was not the Russians the Americans you know but they got the best of the Afghanis and they cornered them and the Afghanis went running into some cavern that they found in the side of a mountain and they penetrated it a bit this cave, this long cave. And they came across beings in there they came across these

1:39:44 Almas the abominable snowman types and these Abominable Snowmen threw rocks at them over you know long distances across from the chasm or whatever and they were very accurate, and the Afghanis Became a little scared And they shot back and they you know retreated but they covered their retreat. They They fought like a backwards battle with these abominable snowmen in their habitat. And they came out of the cave and they surrendered to the Russians, and as they were being processed right there then and there interrogated about …

1:40:30 Where do you come from and how many are in your forest and that kind of thing? One of them came out, said I'd like to tell you about what we encountered in the cave. There were these beings there these abominable snowmen described them And we shot some of them We know he killed some of them They're probably still in there If you go in there You'll be able to find him He did This general his name was Tbiliski some people in and they retrieved one of these abominable snowmen bodies, and they came out. And everyone was marveled about it! They had human facial features but they had animal hair all over their face and uh... Their face was kind of reddish colored but they looked like men or it's the only thing got one. What could they do? There was a doctor with them and the doctor did

1:41:26 not an autopsy, but in examination he measured their fingers the width and length of things like that. He described their nose and took measurements of that you know one-and-a-half centimeters long from this point to that point and all that The size is of the head, skull, the girth of legs, thighs and all that, height The weight. And they couldn't, you know... They were on the run in the middle of a war and they didn't bring their body with them. They left it there but this was published somewhere in Russia and it was rescued by the writer of Forbidden Archaeology, Cremo. Michael Cremo! Yeah that's where everyone got that from because its been some archive in Russia all this time but Cremo was the one who retrieved it

1:42:19 We had Krimo on the show about two months ago. That's awesome Yeah, good guy we know another one who ran across a being like that was Theodore Roosevelt Yes, yes. We've heard that story on the show before Really really weird but yeah It's a person of such stature to talk about that is pretty interesting I wanted to ask you about another guy probably the weirdest story yet That I had heard was I think his name was Jim Bowen He was looking he was around that area just after World War two I think yes Are you familiar with that story? Did I get his name right?

1:43:00 Yeah, that came from me. That's for sure. So I didn't know it made the rounds and it had still survived. Actually, I mentioned Cater to you right? Joseph H. Cater, the physicist who wrote about hollow earth theory physics and whatever. He is – well he was active in the 60s writing about the hollow earth. And he was approached by Jim Bowen who said that he was on an expedition which followed the Operation High Jump in 47. This was a little bit later, that he was about to get mustered out of the Navy but they asked him if you wanted to volunteer for a mission which would take the better part of a year and they were looking for patriotic people

1:43:48 you know, if he wanted to do something for his country then perhaps he would be interested. And he volunteered and he was taken on a ship of course down to Antarctica I don't know...I think they made the...ferried from the ship to a certain place yes they were by aircraft so there was an aircraft carrier They were equipped a hundred of them to make an expedition and they marched across the ice little less intimidating than flying you know fighter aircraft into the Hollow Earth, and they marched for I believe he said He was with them for three months.

1:44:36 And by the time the three months went by, they pretty much marched into the beginning of the opening. They marched into a place where the ice started melting, where green grass started manifesting, where there was always fog but it was light... There was 24 hours' light. It was illuminated fog and he said visibility was never more than 50 yards until they got way in there and that it opened up, and there was you know countryside and vegetation And hills and whatever and that they came across a being which was something like Tyrannosaurus Rex yeah Yeah, and they just kind of crept backwards and You know soft soft pedaled out of their

1:45:34 Of course they were armed. I think they probably would have been able to handle it, but they weren't chased or anything like that and at that point They divided there were 50 that went ahead in 50 that went back because the fifty that went back I mean they helped by bringing supplies something like that they passed on what they had to the others and they went back and That's all he knows You know they didn't tell you. Didn't go back or did they ever come back? Well I didn't hear you it broke up Oh, when they split did the other 50 ever come back Apparently they did but he wasn't given contact with them They were kept separate and then ended going back to Australia and then back to California And he was discharged and thanked even and everything like that

1:46:29 And years later, when he found out about Cater and what Cater was writing about. He was thinking well that's it that where I was and he hooked up with Cater. They formed a friendship that lasted for a long time. Cater even went on vacation with them into Colorado couple of times because he lived in the area Jim Bowen did And Cater spoke very fondly about it. I spoke to Cater by phone a couple of times, this was ten years ago and he was living in an old folks home and you know…

1:47:08 He wasn't so lucid at the time, but he was able to relate things like that. He related his friendship with Jim Bowen very nicely. Wow! Yeah that is super interesting to see something like a T-Rex I mean that is as foreign as an alien. That's kind of story you don't hear every day Well yes dinosaurs have supposedly been sighted in Venezuela This is along the Venezuelan plateau. It would be southeastern Venezuela, it's an area which is not accessible on the far side of the Venezuelan plateau let's say would be Angel Falls and then Brazil, Brazilian Amazon. It is Amazon there, the Venezuelan Plateau And what I know is that in early 60s

1:48:07 There it became fashionable among some of the very wealthy of venezuela to go back in that area and engage in big game hunting. They have a some kind of big game back there I don't know what I'm not saying they went hunting dinosaurs but they decided dinosaurs people came back saying their dinosaurs there And these, this has been heard a lot. You know I lived two years in Venezuela when I was... This was what? This was 1980, 79-80 something like that and I heard about this back then but that dinosaurs had been sighted in that area and it's hard to go there and going there was discouraged by the government

1:48:54 But, you know take it or leave it. This is what the people if you go there this is what they'll tell you and I've heard from other sources too. This is where the Orinoco River goes and in this part of Venezuela also the Amazon warriors were encountered by Spaniards during the colonization period And again that the Amazon warriors they really do have this underground element attached to them. So I'm thinking that these dinosaurs, they don't exactly have their habitat on the surface but they come up at times just like snakes are also reptiles they live below this surface they live in caves even but they'll come out and bathe in the sun

1:49:49 look for food and whatever. Yeah, so those are some interesting anecdotes for sure and as we're getting towards the end of this I really appreciate that you've done two hours but this idea...I mean if this is true in all the forms were discussing you realize this would be the mother of all conspiracies right? This would be one of the ultimate secrets to have kept all these years right Well, I think that there's a worldwide conspiracy much wider and just much more far-reaching than anybody could possibly fathom. Let's relate it to another conspiracy. I was mentioning to you about the Venera case.

1:50:35 spacecraft and the problems with accepting that this probe parachuted through the clouds, the cloud mantle when in the atmosphere has temperature of 950 degrees Fahrenheit. Well, I know that and the Russians know that and the Americans know that. NASA knows that but they all keep their mouths shut." If the Russians in the Chinese really were ticked off with the Americans they just want to let the American people... yeah, the American government and they wanted to let the American people know what was happening with their government and the kind of shenanigans the American government pulls They would just come out and tell people about Apollo and how Apollo was a hoax

1:51:18 And explain why, and it wouldn't have taken 30 years for people to piece things together. So they're scratching each other's back. There are winks and nods when it comes to things like the space program. So what about the configuration of our planet? You know, it's kind of hard to just come out and tell people whether or they're the source of our civilization is actually from the hollow world and we've broken away. And that's our homeland and you know things like that I mean they would lose control and all of the people from the surface can't go there anyway. And I don't know what are supposed to do Of course They're not telling us yeah, I actually have thought about the idea

1:52:01 Well, it's clear the way the rulers rule is through fear and propaganda and misinformation. And it's interesting when I think back to a time when people thought the world was flat... When they thought the earth was flat and the big scare was oh you don't want to venture too far from home! You might fall off the earth and that just seems like a story you would tell someone that you wanted to keep under control. Like, I wonder if the leaders really believed the Earth was flatter if that's just something they were able to propagandize to keep everybody under their thumb and maybe The Secrets of a Hollow Earth is just that to another level

1:52:46 Well, no. You've made a very good analogy and that's it. The monsters that rule this world that are warmongers and they kill millions they don't want us to know at the same time what about some sympathy for the devil? You know, because like I said what are they supposed to do? There's this joke that I've heard about the devil. That he is the devil but one day the devil helped this old lady across the street because she had these packages you know and uh... He saw her struggling to get across the street and walked over and offered services picked up her packages, walked her home dropped them off at the doorstep and you know she offered him a tip and he didn't want any money for it. And said my pleasure like that went on his way so they say well he was the devil but there was one time when even the devil did a good deed. He helped this lady across the street with her packages or whatever So these people that run our world they are monsters I mean their killers

1:53:44 They're the architects of death on a huge scale. But by the same token, if they're going to be in charge they have to run things. You know you have to be a good manager too and again we can't go there. The Hollow Earthers haven't invited us I don't think they want us to come. The most that they did 1,000 years ago was send Santa Claus with some packages but stay there And then, what are they supposed to do? You know, they can't lose control here. It's like life on the moon If you tell people there's life on the moon that there's a hollow moon Then people are going to lose control their people go say well what about them? We want to hear from them your and you're not letting us have contact with them we want you to do this Uh, we want you to get in uh into contact and do that and the other They would lose control so I think we have to have little sympathy for the powers-that-be although

1:54:44 You know, in other ways I don't have much sympathy for them. I don't think the hollow earth understanding is for everybody because of these difficulties. Yeah. I don't know what else to say! It's a contradiction in terms – a conundrum that I have not been able to really… Solve that here I am on the Hall or worth proponent, but I'll be the first one to say it's not for everybody But I'll be the first one to say you can skyride it and you could put a full-page ad in The New York Times And don't lose any sleep. You know people are gonna forget about it Maybe a few weeks later and it was just you know

1:55:26 They won't do anything, you know. I just don't know what to say there's a contradiction there but what do you do? Yeah i love the theory it's one of the most interesting you know I'm deep in the conspiracy world so I am constantly hearing still hearing about 9-11 and hearing about NSA and these things are like so Conspiracy 101 to me at real depth some serious weirdness and the Hollow Earth is down there in those depths. And I would so want it to be true, but in modern times It just-it's hard for me to rationalize because we hear these stories of people in the 1500s to 1800s that are skirting around The entrance to the hollow earth and reporting back But now with modern technology and modern

1:56:16 Travel ability we don't hear those accounts I guess and I understand that believe me the the elite can cover up a lot They really can but with technology expanding to the everyman it seems harder to keep a lid on this are there any stories of a concerted effort to cap some of these holes to the cavern worlds or collapse some of these these tunnels, so that people can't access them Well, first of all the hollow opening in the middle of the Arctic Ocean is really very inaccessible. There are film clips it's like I say you can do some sky writing and tell everybody above New York City about the Hollow Earth The earth is hollow or something and nothing's going to happen so we have these film clip from RadarSat that really do show the opening You just have to stare at it know what your looking for

1:57:14 We have these film clips, satellite clips showing where the opening is in the Arctic and also there's some good ones of the opening of Mars. The depression and everything there. Because if our planet is hollow you'd have to assume that they all follow that same formula? Yes for sure! But then it's a matter of hurry up and wait. I mean, you send things around on the internet and every kook in the world is already sending things around how can people distinguish? And then to Good Morning America they're not going to give you any airtime so that it's a secret even though its best kept secret in the world but it's right in front us in many ways now about attempts to cap the openings

1:58:08 to hollow, to cavern worlds. Which the cavern world's theme interests me very much because it's right where we are you know? You don't have to travel across 2,000 miles of frozen arctic wasteland in northern Canada and all that and carry your fuel with you and food and survive the elements to get to where these cavern worlds are They're everywhere, and it's not just in the jungles of the Amazon. They are in North America, they are everywhere! For example, the Apache Indians were known for escaping through tunnels

1:58:46 They only fought one pitched battle with the cavalry. They would spring raids on the cavalry, usually from the mountains from above while the cavalry was in a canyon or something like that and then they would run off through these tunnels and caves and the cavalry would never catch up with them and they would show up like on the other side of the border in Mexico Two weeks later something like that and nobody saw them traveling across land so this is very interesting now. Right where the apache's had their chief activity with her were the most active when they defended the most in especially one area where they fought a pitched battle to keep the cavalry away which is

1:59:40 Close to the panama mountains if i'm not mistaken it's up there near area 51. It is an area where their reports of tunnel entrances and steps cut steps into the rocks and auditorium sized rooms that opened up, But what went on during the early 70s, right in that area something like according to David Hatcher Childress 25 miles from where the Apaches were most active. Were the underground atomic explosions

2:00:22 So if there were cavern worlds in this area, and the world of the Apaches or something like that was actually below the surface of the Earth. Or some cavern world was down there at one point we just weren't able to make peace with them or subjugate with them and they did these underground atomic explosions And the Russians did a few too And then the Hindu Kush, which is known – I mean that's where you have the most folklore about underground worlds. Shangri-La and that kind of thing. The Pakistanis engaged in some underground nuclear testing also. So all these people are enemies with each other but…

2:01:08 They seem to have a common agenda and they don't tell on each other. There's winks and nods, and again the size and scope of the Conspiracy is just still something that I cannot fathom. Yeah, man It drives me nuts myself all the time. We just talked about The Nevada Desert not far from where I live here in San Diego and you're there in Brazil There is a story of A modern story of the military investigating super long tunnel system there in Brazil right?

2:01:48 Right, I first became aware of this from the David Hatcher Childress interview on The Laura Lee Show and this was right around the turn of millennia. Millennium. And I was able to corroborate this – there is a group called iMagic. all one word, the letter I in magic spelled G-I-K, I believe. If anyone wants to know they can toy around with it in the city of Santo Me das Letras and the state of Minas Gerais Brazil And Imagic is just a group of people who worship the elements this one lady she's a psychoanalyst

2:02:32 And they engage in Nordic ceremonies and things like that. And they have a retreat up there near this town, Santo Medas Letras. She was able to – I went and visited her once because she also works in Sao Paulo but they have like a weekend home there eight hours away. She told me about this area. She told me about the city son tomato slatters It's a small town and she told me about David Hatcher Childress The town is a rock quarry, and there's also a lot of hippies there let's say that do Arts and crafts now There's a tunnel there And it's called the stamped cave because of all the bat

2:03:25 dung that's lines the walls of the cave. And it's not a cave, it's a tunnel. It goes on an east and west axis line and its about two meters tall, about a meter-and-a-half wide, and has a down sloping gradient to it. People have explored it little bit But one day the Brazilian army was sent there to explore this cave, this tunnel. Because it's very unusual you know? It wasn't natural and it was cut. And they went through for several days – I mean they were gone a total of like 10 days or two weeks something like that

2:04:12 And it just went straight on down. They came to a big room, maybe the size of an auditorium or the size of a house or something like that and there was a north branch off going seemed very much north you know? Straight north due North South and also West since they were coming from the East they stayed there and rested for a little bit then they continued west for about two more days And they came to this very big chasm and it looked too difficult to get across. Their supplies were going low, so they decided to come back and they went back. That's been the end of it. Any kind of caving or spelunking or expedition or exploring in caves is... there are laws that govern it. You need permission. There's a ministry

2:05:06 of, it comes under the Ministry of Mining, caving. And you know, you get the police on you and go to jail if you engage in any unauthorized caving. So no one's really... Yeah, go ahead. I imagine that that's how they keep the secret these days. That's how they keep the guard just use that legal framework scare people out and have consequences for entering Yeah, because it would be so hard to keep it secret. The supplies you'd have to have outside... You need generators and trucks and people and radios and wires and things like that to keep in contact with your people. You couldn't keep a secret Now this one lady with IMAGIC she told me that when they would go horseback riding up there in the area there were areas where you will go

2:05:57 galloping across or trotting across with the horses, and they could tell that the ground below them was hollow. That they were traveling across some rock or something like that but it wasn't very thick and she said that's very interesting Farmers up there the hacienda owners the plantation owners they don't let people. Browse around on their property or go through the caves either as a general rule they all band together and they don't allow that sucks man you know i'm feeling like I wanna be the next indiana jones and try to get in there somehow i mean if

2:06:36 If you were gonna try, like let me ask you if you were going to advise someone as to how To best access the inner earth or these caverns or discover something Sensational Where would you tell them to try? if he had to speculate You know, I really think...I would tell them not to try. I mean, I wouldn't tell them to try because there are beings in there like orcs or goblins or hobbits. Don't you want to come face-to-face with something like that? Not three miles below the surface of the earth!

2:07:22 You know, and it's just me. And then there is an army of orcs I read the third chapter of The Hobbit when they're in the mountain there and being chased by the orcs in the dark you know...and all they have are a couple swords with them It's very dangerous to think along those lines Here I am, I'm the proponent now telling people Oh no don't do that! Don't go down there But what can you say? These worlds are inhabited Maybe that's why they call it middle earth, the middle of the earth. But I just want that personal proof you know? I would just love to see that personal proof. Yeah i know...I've thought about a lot..i even thought of taking like

2:08:10 motorcycle and going into that cave in Santo Medas Letras because it's a straight gradient, right? And just going downhill as far I could go. Maybe I could go 50 or 100 miles and just bring a lot of gasoline like get a big motorcycle and rig it to carry all this gasoline on the back or something but these are some wild ideas I had at the beginning But now I just don't know what to say. I even saw a drawing of an elf awhile back And the elf had the elf ears and everything, and a human-like face. But it was a very demonic face that was like half human and half animal kind of sinister. I was thinking my God that just broke one of my smashed one of my cherished concepts that the elves were very beautiful and they dance in elve circles. They have these pointed ears and the elf ladies are very beautiful and their enchantresses and things like that

2:09:13 But these are the romanticized ideas that we have. These beings that live below, they don't seem to be so friendly. I wonder if that's where those stories come from? Elves and fairies and goblins...I wonder if they're all down there in those cavern worlds. That's the impression that I have! That's their habitat For sure, it's described that way in the folklore. That they're from these places There were a few Englishmen that made their way down there and were allowed to come back You know there was one the story of one uh Englishman and you know I don't remember all the names and dates and things like that but his wife was kidnapped which is typical And um

2:09:58 Like Beowulf, you know he went down into the cave and he didn't give a damn and He came face to face with them And he said he wanted his wife back and they said okay come with us and you'll be given a chance You know and they brought him to the this king of these really goofy looking I don't know how to describe them. People, like maybe leprechaun size or something like that but I saw a drawing and depiction of it and they seemed to be very goofy looking but the king was sitting on the throne and there were 50 women in line and they were all identical genetic cloning

2:10:41 has a lot to do like the, these people these greys in the UFOs they're from their co-planetarians. They're from below the surface and are still engaged in kidnapping women extracting the egg and genetic manipulation but this man was told that among these 50 or so women he had to choose which one was truly his wife and which one it was not a clone And they all said, it's me. Don't believe the other ones. Oh my God I can't believe it! It's me get me out of here please and love you and like that but they all said the same thing and knew things about his life. Interesting. Yeah he chose the right one and was allowed to leave

2:11:25 But for the one who chose right, I mean there were probably 49 other opportunities in which the man chose wrong and he had to stay down there and become a human slave or something like that. So we get the tip of the iceberg but these are things that you hear. That's what goes on down there. Right, man it has been a fascinating talk man and much longer show than I'm used to but i'm so glad we could take the time to tackle this subject pretty completely. Are there any other bits of information you'd like to add? To get the attention of some those people that might still be on the fence? This idea flies in the face everything we've been taught for decades It is hard to reverse that with just one conversation but Is there anything you leave the people with

2:12:15 All I can say is, investigate it. You know, it's so vast you can hit it from so many different angles. There is not one piece of information that I would leave a person with that would be their talisman or their guiding piece of information but investigate it invest some time look up holloworbs dot com on the internet and on Google we have all planets dash hollow It's a group and we discuss the Hollow Earth Theory. It is sanctuary for the Hollow Earth Theory Anybody who is anybody pretty much on that list We have people from the 70s who are on that list, we have newer people with newer contributions And you can get a good steer down there and have a lot of things explained to you On Yahoo Groups all planets

2:13:11 Dash hollow awesome well Dean this has been great. I really enjoyed putting the show together It's been one of my favorite chats Would you like to tell the people a little bit about your books or where they can check? More of your workout, you mentioned your websites in the yahoo groups but anything more about your personal work well Let's see if You if you google my name There's Grave Distractions, the grave distraction sites. That's the publisher. If you look for Grave Distractions, you can find a book in email format very inexpensive during these hard times.

2:13:50 and a very quick download, you get it right away. The site has my name Dean Dominic DeLucia you click on authors and look for dean under the D section and you'll find it so that's how I would guide people to my books on the hollow earth and also Vedic astrology. Awesome well thanks again its been great talking with you. You think we did made a pretty all-encompassing argument? Do you think we tackled all major points of the theory Oh, we touched a lot of bases but I'd say there was just as much that I would have liked to have gotten around to that i didn't. Well maybe we'll do a follow-up sometime in the future? Sure why not! All right well thanks again and have a good one You too bye bye and bye dear listeners

2:14:39 There we have it people, I hope you had a good time with that. What might be the biggest kept secret for man of all time? If you find it interesting and would like to hear a follow up Be vocal about it Send me some questions that need to be addressed To make it worth entertaining for you And we'll get Dean back on to answer them if there's any interest in it That said consider donating to The Money Bomb or using the subscription option where You can do an automatic donation of 5, 10 or 20 dollars monthly And you'll get entered into all The Money Bombs automatically Which happened more than once a month now. So that's what keeps me and the show going, and I'm so grateful that you guys have stuck with it! Conspiracy enthusiasts are notoriously fickle and sensitive And you can find many posts online that say, ''I listened to this show for years and was a huge fan But then you did this episode and now i'll never listen again'' One Show

2:15:29 all over one show. And that can happen, and I do get messages like that once in a while But usually people love the variety and can find something to like about every show or at least most of them And it's been great So share this with your friends talk about it with your co-workers and for Christ sake bring it up at Mother's Day brunch! And I'll see you in five glorious days with another fringe topic In the never ending quest to undo the damage to find the truth in world That's all too well hidden Take care, your mood warms. For 15 years I race against the constant sea The speed of light and the diagrams in haunted sleep Frozen sheets embed my dreams Your garden grave I'd climb inside Hold your bones and slowly die The cooling space inside your chest My broken bride you never breathed again Circuits fail to cosmic strings Like rubber bands I lose control I snap I fall through mist to mud again To my face it tastes like the world is strange A stinking earth and giant trees Through heavy air, a demon shrieks What have i done? What hell has been?

2:16:28 I crashed before the birth of Christ Pterodactyl swore me You died in 1989 Back to that, keep you in bed Never escape, listen to your prayers Like motor oil down my throat I couldn't speak I dropped the phone The burning flares has steamed your hair Bits of glass hang sparkled everywhere Like winter nights the stars the ice are intertwined To hold and keep

2:17:11 Like petals pressed in sheets, making love to moonlight in our sleep And now above the pits of tar and a cave I hide that massive screaming thing with wings of reaper's claw That's standing just outside. I must get my machine! I will bring you back to life! Fix your ruined lungs, I'll undo what I must! For the birth of Christ, tear it back all swarm You died in night, back to keep healing back Holding your clothes, listening to your breathing

2:18:01 Your sweet name Into the cave I'm sure to die All my strife Has been in vain The glaciers come Earth's a- I crashed before the Christ Pterodactyl swore You died Wanna get back to that? Keep you in line You