Walter Bosley | Ingersoll Lockwood, The Lost Future, & Predictive Media

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06:16 Serenity now higher side chatters from the sunshine state. I'm Greg Carlwood and a And a person will learn more about reality by examining the edges rather than the consensus bubble we largely live in. It's as if the intelligent universe gives us each just enough to start wondering about deeper mysteries of life if we're savvy enough to pay attention to things like personal synchronicities, potent or prophetic dreams, strange sightings in the sky, telephone telepathy and occasional shifts in consciousness or any of about a dozen things that make one go, what was that? And it's a curious thing to think what the world might be like if we highlighted and followed up on these strange experiences rather than pushing them to the back of our minds. Add in exotic suppressed technologies and medicine energy travel and maybe even time manipulation. And you realize that our picture of reality and what's possible in it

07:12 is more like a limited illusionary box built around us that cuts out anything that doesn't fit within the Worker Bee lifestyle and the extraction of wealth to the top of the pyramid. Which brings me to today's returning guest, Walter Bosley whose work always seems to fold back in some of the mystery and possibility we've been so conditioned to dismiss Our first interview was episode 40 of the Hireside Chats way back in 2013, where we got into his book Latitude 33 Key to the Kingdom The Arcane Science and Hermetic Engineering of the Happiest Place on Earth.

07:47 that goes deep into the idea that secret knowledge about how the world really works was infused into Disneyland originally. We did the dance again in 2016, talking about the Sonora Aero Club, NIMSA, The Origins of the Breakaway Civilization and the Charles Delshow Airship drawings that curiously have Trump written across one airship in image number 45 Walter came back in 2017 as the deeper dive into the political rise of Trump raised questions about his uncle John G. Trump being tapped to examine Tesla's research after he died, coupled with those previous curiosities about German airships

08:24 In 2019 we talked about his book The Esoteric Napoleon which looked at Napoleon Bonaparte's expeditions and conquests through a new lens of a man determined to learn more about our strange past and life's big mysteries. And today we're diving into some of his newest work with Todd Wood in what is being called the Lost Future series, with book titles like The Mystery Of Ingersoll Lockwood and Book 2 being The Curious Case Of Margaretta Todd If you didn't know, Walter also earned a degree in journalism and has had a 20 year career in national security and the US Air Force. He's the founder of the Lost Continent Library Publishing Company and Corvose Books. And it is great to have him back! The great mystery explorer esoteric context restorer and chronicler of our lost future. Walter welcome back once again how are ya? Hey Greg thank you its always good to be here

09:18 And I'm looking forward to this. How you been? Oh, I can't complain and it is great to have you back You cover such unique material and I've always had a good time now You have two books out in the new lost future series Talked to us about that name lost future and the thoughts behind it well essentially Todd Wood and I we have this hypothesis that In the late 19th century Every era, every time, every civilization has its influencers as we call them today. Movers and shakers the people with the visions for where we can go and they take us there and they inspire us to take ourselves there. And Todd and I agree that going into the late 19th century There was well a particularly elegant vision of what the 20th century could be and we were headed

10:19 in a different direction into that 20th century when it was essentially usurped and we were diverted into the 20th century that we got. So what we call the lost future is a 20th century that we should have had, and could have had, and we see it as something was taken from us. So that's what we mean by the lost future and the two books so far go into the people whom we think were involved in the vision of what could have been, but also we try to identify those who took it where it ended up and It's a real kind of checkered tableau You know heroes villains that kinds thing and then that murky

11:14 middle ground yes i love that idea and that description there's a lot of researchers talking about this happening at several time depth when you look at the ancient world and you see some of the same symbols on different continents You're like, what is that? How could that possibly be and a lot of those symbols speak to energy systems and this general mindset of abundance and communities of sharing. And I'm sure there's some romanticizing of the past that happens there but Still the symbols are the symbols and then of course people talk about when the network of royal families across europe seem to. Arrive in there all kind a part of the same family second cousins once removed on goals that i want you supposed to be french aren't you supposed to be german aren't you supposed to be british,

12:04 How are you all cousins like who installed you in these power positions and then you got the crusades in the inquisition and just a killing of anybody didn't go along with that program. And then yeah i do think so many times with guests were talking about, delete eighteen hundred early nineteen hundreds we're looking at the robber barons where looking at old books that were written around that time there was a lot of curiosity about the world a lot of Almost fantasy but woven in a way that's like people just wanted to have adventures and see what was out there in the world. And then of course, the robber barons when they come through they're like you know what I know you got these cars that run on hemp and they run on alcohol we're done with that cancel that these cars are on oil because we control oil and you can't really grow it yourself or having alcohol still as just one example but

13:00 across the board. It became about control and monopolizing so many things, a big part of it is the institution of the AMA. The Rockefellers came in they said you know what? Herbology done with it all these homeopathy these little subtle things that seem to work done with it, we're making our medicine from oil now. We're going to study the plants. We're gonna make an oil derivative and that's what you get." And these side effects? You know, you'll deal with them. It's just across the board but I love the idea of The Lost Future. I have a guest Schwab who comes on once in awhile and he always talks about trying to get back to the good timeline and this is very much in that vein. We got to get back to the good timeline!

13:44 Yeah. And let's not forget that we were pushed also into a 20th century that would exalt and establish firmly the military industrial complex And that's a lot about what the 20th century that we were pushed into was about. I mean, clearly when you look at the history of the wars to major world wars plus all the lesser conflicts that were really just proxy world wars and to keep us in a state of agitation at war to keep the population nervous and worried and never settled. And it seemed like once we got into an era where things were calm, I'm going to be settled. Things had to be agitated. They had to stir us up. And I think that that's where they want to go with the 21st century clearly you know? Think about this

14:43 We're a quarter of the way through the 21st century already. And they started out in 2001 with the biggest example of keeping us agitated, keeping us on edge and that of course was 9-11. When you look at the political climate in United States and increasingly around the world It succeeded because we've been increasingly at each other's throat and divided, and back-and-forth this tug of war. And it keeps people from being settled. And I think that one of the hallmarks of this—one of the signs you can look at is that nowadays you have this discussion—I've been in it, I've heard people have it where when I was a kid when I was younger during the 70s

15:31 I was a kid, born in 63. In the 1970s the 50's seemed like a different world Fashions were distinctly different, cars, TV everything you know in pop culture was distinctly different. Also with the 60s the 60's became as different to the 50s is the 70s work and then again the 80s and it used to be that you could really see the difference between the decades but more people have pointed out they've noticed that yeah you can point to some minor differences but there is not nearly the differences

16:10 between the decades of the last three decades as there used to be before. And I think what contributes to that is this state of agitation and divisiveness that we've been manipulated psychologically through, starting with the shock of 9-11 and then they continued political shocks to us. Everything's just morphing into this one now kind of thing because When you have distinctions in your culture, that's very much often a product of

16:49 really a society having its relaxed time. Like look at the 1950s, the 1950s weren't without their issues we saw the rise of the civil rights movement which needed to come and stuff but look at the basic mood and spirit of the 1950s it was after the war after World War II right? Yes the Cold War was going on but everybody was taking a breather really between that generation that fought World War Two if they weren't still in the national security game they were all taking a breather and they were allowed to. Gee, nice little neighborhoods everybody was able to own a house and a couple of cars by this newfangled TV set and you know they were just able to relax and breathe and enjoy their lives until 20 years after the end of World War II when everything got agitated again somewhat provoked by CIA and Army Intel and all that stuff

17:47 and then kind of similar during the 70s, and then going into the 80s. We used to get these breathers but now it seems like they kicked off the 21st century with just no breather. It's just one crisis after another. It's one conflict after another. It's one war after another. And it looks like the same people that stole the 20th century from us are stealing the 21st Yeah, that's a really great summary because my head goes right to drugs and music. What defines a decade? It's well they tend to be on a different drug in the 60s 70s 80s and the music changes it but that is what you're saying leisure That's what they do when they take a break The fashion The things When you aren't in a stress state You can be like how Do I want to dress What do I wanna listen to What do I wanna consume To unwind

18:46 And that stuff's important. Obviously, another huge factor obvious one is the internet when the Internet started it really did seem to be about oh now any little subculture can find other people that are into the same thing and you And you can talk on message boards or find local people that are into the same thing that you couldn't do before. Now, there is no really counterculture it's just the one big culture everybody sees the exact same trends on Twitter and Facebook and all of the apps and you don't have to go to your buddy and say hey did you see that video he already saw the video He was shown the video at the same time as you were shown the video now all leisure time is just sitting on the phone scrolling

19:29 And so the music, like the drugs. The drugs are obviously more dangerous than they've ever been and they're corporatized So yeah it's a sad state of things but I do love this idea of a lost future A big part of it that is in this Ingersoll Lockwood book is predictive media and authors who might have been part of secret societies or been fed secret information and passed off as fiction. I really love that idea, it comes up in Jules Verne's work, it comes up the stuff about real and that whole thing and there's that book at a door for that is presented as a journey inside the earth i love the inner earth stuff i even picked up your little hall or if they never get in to see it here but. Walters company just released tales of the hollow earth edgar rice burrows its two of his stories at the earth score and,

20:27 Tell you cider. I haven't read it yet, but i'm excited to get into it yeah It's called pelousa dar lucid are I mean? It's a made-up word so I don't know how to say But it just seems like when you're talking about this lost future A lot of it involves these prolific authors I don't know if the information comes from societies they're attached to or intelligence networks or just their own publishers, which are sometimes the intelligence feeders for them. But talk to us about some of this predictive media. It is a big part of the Ingersoll Lockwood story but in general what are some good examples of it? To get people thinking along these terms Well I think that it depends on the writer For instance Jules Verne was suspected Of having a link to whats called The Angelic Society The Societe d'Angelique

21:21 And that was one of those reportedly esoteric groups that had knowledge that was lost to the rest of us or hidden and they were feeding him ideas. Now, it varies. One argument is that they were feeding him ideas from forgotten technology in the past. You know he wrote about submarines and going to the moon and all that stuff and they were feeding him stuff from, say the Vedic technologies that had been lost to us. Or the other side of it is they had some way of looking into the future and so they were feeding him stuff that was going to happen I think it was leaning more towards the first and they were guiding the future

22:18 by influencing these authors that had a huge public impact. So, a bit of the roll of the dice if you want to have a certain impact on the future but in Vern's case it seemed to have worked because our rocket scientists and our aerospace scientists and our marine nautical technology guys engineers, a lot of them in the early 20th century mid-20th century they grew up reading Jules Verne Look at the development of the cell phone in this century. Several of those guys, they're like my age or older and they were Star Trek fans and the flip phone was literally inspired by the Star Trek communicator so the influence of the art

23:08 inspired somebody to do the very thing and make it real. And so Vern in the modern era is the first one we can really point to now there of course was a guy like HG Wells, but his stuff was more of a social commentary he didn't have the same type of impact on The future who's so to speak as Verne did in that regard But then you have the guys who it's uncanny what they come up with, the truly predictive stuff. Now we all like to marvel at The Simpsons and how weirdly prophetic The Simpsons a comedy cartoon that has been around for over 30 years...you know what the heck? Who are these guys

24:01 But that's what we're talking about when we talk about Ingersoll Lockwood and his particular books, the ones that seem to have predicted Donald Trump. Now I remind people just like I told people are going to read the book you don't have to be a fan of American politics. You do not have to be a fan of Donald Trump to see why this is interesting. This guy Ingersoll Lockwood Just like Delshow, whom you mentioned before. He obliquely most likely he got a glimpse somehow what ended up in his writings we don't know how he got that glimpse but what he's got is basically he's got two books I'm sorry three two of them were about this young boy named

24:55 It's a title, Baron with one R. Baron Trump and what's interesting is the illustration of the little boy particularly in one of the books looks remarkably like young Barron Trump, baron with two Rs, youngest son of Donald Trump. I mean there was one particular photo of Donald Trump's son when he was running in that you can put side by side with a particular illustration in this book from 100 years before. And it looks like the illustrator was sitting there drawing young Barron Trump, but it's impossible because he was born I think over 100 years after the book was written. Now of course as you know, you've read the book, it brings into question

25:48 What did Lockwood know? What information did he have, what did he see because in this book it's not just the image of the boy in the illustration that resonates with Trump. There are things that happen in Russia there are strange events and in some cases wild technology in weird places and things like that all resonate some of it resonates with Uncle John Trump the guy who the FBI assigned to go look at Tesla's papers when he passed away, well that's Donald Trump's uncle who your audience knows about. The question we ask in the book is what did Lockwood know? How did he know it and then with the illustration, we look at the illustrator Charles Howard Johnson

26:38 The real question about Lockwood is more about Johnson. How did he meet Johnson? What did Johnson tell him, what does Johnson know because this Johnson guy is a huge mystery in himself who has a life what little we know about it that resonates with time travel stories of the 1960s and 70s. So you ask, okay, the authors of those stories Jack Finney Richard Matheson did they know about Charles Howard Johnson? So it inspired them to write what they wrote or on the wild side Did Charles Howard Johnson do the things like Finney and Matheson right

27:21 You know, the crazy question did he travel through time or more likely did he see through time? What was going on and this was you know, the late 19th century that weird era when things were changing and certain ideas were coming to the forefront. It makes you wonder was Lockwood being fed info like Byrne or was there some type of esoteric arcane technology involved with literally scrying the future so to speak. These are the questions that we explore in the book yes and the latter is the fun one and so I told you this before we started but i bought The Mystery of Ingersoll Lockwood and I didn't realize the second book in this series was out until it was too late to get delivered by Showtime, but to start with Lockwood

28:15 Yes, people know about the books but I mean he wrote this book about little Baron Trump a wealthy boy who lived in Trump Castle. I mean we're getting pretty close and The first one was called travels and adventures of little Baron Trump And his wonderful dog Bulger and the follow-up was Barron Trumps marvelous underground journey which invokes the hollow earth Which is a part of a lot of these kinds of writings that we think are somewhat predictive and interesting And then he wrote, not part of the Children's Series is my understanding. He wrote 1900 or The Last President about citizens protesting a presidential election of a candidate from New York. You add all this together and it's clearly synchronistic with our timeline given it was written in the 1800s that so much more impressive but

29:03 Ingersoll Lockwood was a lot more than just a children's author. I mean, he is a lawyer who graduated from Yale and became the youngest diplomat at that time with his appointment by Abraham Lincoln as council of the kingdom of Hanover and this was interesting lock would ran against McKinley And McKinley was assassinated. So, you know is every assassination somehow related to the competition not necessarily but there's motive there and in one of your live streams you said, throw a bone to the tartar folks. There is a portal to the inner earth over in russia and of course tartaria as often if you look at maps like in that area again russia like it's a major thematic hit for the trump

29:59 thing whatever it is like the big trump egregore like you've only got a couple of things but protesting elections guy from new york trump castle the name baron. It's always like with the synchronistic stuff it's like the name that title but its thematic hit and then the portal in russia thing, Well, and remember the irony of Lockwood's last president story is that it's not really about Trump or the Trump candidate. The story is the Democrat candidate wins and that's the beginning of the destruction of the country. So a lot of the Q folks in the Trumpers were saying yeah, yeah, the last president which means he'll be president they got this and even the people who are the Trump haters

30:47 They said, oh he's going to destroy the country because this predicts he'll be the last president who make it a dictatorship. The irony is that that book isn't about Trump it's about the other guy if you read the book William Jennings Bryan is the Democrat candidate and think of the Brian name Brian is more like Biden than Trump but there is a place that the mob protest that on 5th Avenue, which is real near where Trump Tower is in our times. And so it's this weird like I'm saying this kind of skewed scrying or glimpse that he got. Yeah let's get deeper into the idea of getting a glimpse also I just want to throw this out because it came to mind and your live stream you said The Last President comes before The First King

31:39 And there was that other major dust up where in an interview, Trump's like I'm gonna be a dictator for one day so I can do a couple of things and then I'll go right back to being president. He is clearly joking. I don't even like the guy but I do hate when people take jokes as serious statements and then get all worked up about them. The whole media ran with this he said he was going to be a dictator, he told us he was going to be a dictator and I just think it is funny because that another thematic hit in the zeitgeist that, you know, the last president sure it's the Democrats shirts Biden Ryan.

32:15 Well if that's the last president and then this is the first king or the first dictator I mean it's very much in the wheelhouse. It goes back and forth yes, and it's like a reflection and this is a good segue reflection because let's get into this illustrator charles howard johnson and this idea of getting a glimpse to the future there's many ways to see the future besides a literal time machine so Let's talk about this guy, because it seems like he has a really hard to nail down history before he comes to New York. And there might even be something to be said about a Divination reference in something called his Lady of Shallot and the Cracked Mirror. Talk to us about this! JUSTIN Oh boy. Yeah...

33:08 For me personally, I find Charles Howard Johnson to be the hidden gem in this particular book The Mystery of Ingersoll Lockwood because this is the guy that's hard to explain in conventional terms. The way to start is he shows up in New York City in the 1890s, and all we know about him is what he told his colleagues that he had spent time in Cincinnati and attended an art academy there. And he arrives in New York He clearly has talent, he quickly earns the respect of his peers. He gets gigs illustrating in the magazines of the day and for book illustrators and such. And one of the things he illustrates is a publication of The Lady of Shalotte. In that illustration it's kind of a Rapunzel type character who lives in a tower in seclusion

34:08 and her only vision to the world is a mirror, a cracked mirror. And reflective surfaces of course are known to be used in scrying right? Seeing past future and other possibilities. So you know there's the reflective surface now I apply Joseph Farrell's topological metaphor as he calls it. In the book we go into that the cracked mirror, the whole mirror is the hole. And the crack represents then the division in that big spectrum of reality of you have this hole and then you have this derivative so to speak and the crack represents the division of this amorphous division or pole

35:08 Joseph Farrell does a lot better job describing this. And here's the thing, in the metaphor you have the common surface between these two parts of reality okay? Now in a spiritual theological interpretation which is primarily Joseph Farrell because he is a well-respected theologic scholar The crack that common surface We are the common surface between... The whole represents the creator, you know God or whatever. The divine let's call it the divine okay? And then you have that division and the other part, the smaller part on the other side of that division is the material okay but their common surface between the material and the divine is that crack okay It touches both

36:06 between the material and the divine, whatever the divine is. We are the common surface we have both the material and the divine in us And so that's how you apply the topological metaphor there now How do you apply it to what Johnson did? Well, You could consider any innate abilities human beings have, you know in the metaphysical plane right? Being able we are material but being able to touch the divine we can. So therefore maybe that's where our psychic abilities come from is this other part of us that is more than just the material

36:47 And I think that's part of what Johnson understood, what Joseph Farrell calls the topological metaphor. He understood it in his own terms because he illustrates it in that cracked mirror of The Lady of Shalak. The cracked mirror can symbolize the possibilities. Like when you scry, when you look into that reflective surface if there were no cracks if it were just one pristine piece well that would imply your only seeing one vision but when you look into a cracked mirror what do you see? Particularly if they're shards and more than one crack You see the two different parts now are they the possibilities

37:26 So does that represent, you know when you scry you have all these possibilities so you just pick one. So did Johnson teach this to Lockwood and The one that Lockwood chose, you know whatever he was seeing reflected in the one shard. Whatever he chose happened to be the one that turns out to be accurate? I mean are there five other authors out there who Johnson taught the same thing too and they attempted the same kind of thing that Lockwood did but they chose the shards that didn't come true? Is that the thing?

38:01 So, I do think the mirror represents the possibility of looking into the future and maybe a clue as to what Johnson did. But there is another option. It's not uncommon for people with esoteric knowledge and artistic ability to fuse the two, and to put symbolism in their art. And there were two things I wanted also add to this stack so Charles Howard Johnson he shows up in New York He doesn't have a history that can really be tracked very well you cant find his grave You're capable of doing research on old people like people from the past

38:43 This guy's trail runs pretty dry and that's just interesting. But another thing he did was he illustrated a piece, a book called Evangeline, I believe is how you might pronounce it. Yes, Evangeline. Evangeline from Henry Wadsworth Longfellow and you know, you might think well so what? Well the thing that's interesting about Longfellow is they had a family tomb. So again all these people are super rich and this guy has got a family tomb and for some reason they were motivated to look inside and the bodies weren't there of several other members right? Yeah what was his

39:26 They were interred into one cemetery and in the course of, I think after that move or during or something. When the people with the authority, with the access went in there to do whatever they were going to do. They discovered that none of the bodies are in there and there is apparently as of yet There's no known record Of where if they were moved to another cemetery or if they were even put in there in the first place So the bodies are missing

40:03 Yes and your pain this picture of the sky charles howard johnson he shows up on the same he may be knows that they know about a thing or two and he's. Telling the people you works with maybe secrets that they actually tried to explore themselves so coming back to anger soul, he obviously was a lawyer and children's book author and curiously also founded the science matinee club that included lectures about the age and source of the moon another interesting topics of the day so it's clear that he, what interested in kind of the east so terry sciences i mean signs at that days different than science today.

40:44 And of that day was about exploration it was about what does the stuff do and magic was more intertwined with it so he clearly had these interests any was a member of a group called the titans. Maybe this is something like the society angelic a source of knowledge about exotic technology perhaps tell us about the titans i understand that's gonna be the theme book number three in the series. But it seems pretty relevant here and maybe this is another one of these, information feeding organizations that taught him describe me who knows maybe there's more to. Connect the tissue of the idea that you can see the future but it seems like the fruits are there talk about some of this stuff in the titans well, yeah i pretty much described what we know them and lockwood was a member

41:36 The real interesting thing is we don't know for sure if they ceased to exist. They might have simply become an underground organization, I will say that to be a member here's a really curious requirement to be a member you had to be at least 6 foot 3 it was a height requirement and It's interesting that Donald Trump happens to be six foot three and look how tall little Baron Trump now is. But was John Trump, the scientist who we mentioned before that the FBI sent to take a look at his Tesla secret papers and stuff? You know there are reasons to suspect the Titans exists to this day were the Titans that you know or talked about publicly in reference to Lockwood

42:25 Were they perhaps associated with this 1903 group that I have talked about and written about, that was the American breakaway that just disappeared in the early 20th century? Could they be the Titans for years. I've been wanting to do A follow up to latitude 33 that goes into okay Who knew about this weird power that you could do with these carousels? Because I found multiple old carousels on Tullert Current. You know, who were the guys who were designing these things? Who are the guys that knew about this to put this there?" And now since I've learned about the Titans—this group that's into this weird knowledge and weird science and of that era

43:09 Now I feel like, okay. I might have the best lead I've ever had as to who were the mysterious carousel builders and park builders they might have had something to do with The World's Fairs mysteries and things like that In the information we have, they seem like just one of those dinner groups lecture clubs that were popular back then. You know you see the old movies and you see The Gentleman with the beards and silk smoking jackets in there in The Gentlemen's Club which back then wasn't what it meant today. Back then it was a library lots of wood, a globe and they would smoke their cigars and drink their brandy and scotch and share adventure stories here at Redlands. We still have what is called the Fortnight club

43:52 every two weeks. They meet and it's, you know, society men and they would have lecturers come in on all sorts of diverse subjects. And this was very common back in the late 19th century but this Titans group seemed to have the connections to the people that influenced the future and particularly where technology and the weird stuff is concerned we know just a little more about them than we do Charles Howard Johnson. So, yes that's going to be the titans of the group that are gonna be the focus of the third book that Todd and I are gonna do in this series so at the moment there is not much more i can say about them with any certainty

44:39 Well, I wonder if they wanted all their members to be 6'3", as a kind of filtering mechanism to make sure they had a little bit of that Nephilim blood still left in them. Maybe! It is kind of a weird requirement... Okay, six foot three, my son would but you know i miss it by two inches so Johnson, I don't recall any data where we know how tall he was So, was Johnson associated with the Titans? We don't know yet because Johnson himself is such a cipher. You know speaking of not knowing where he's buried you mentioned before there's no information we're told that Johnson dies in his apartment residence in New York but we're not told what the dispensation of his remains are were not told where he's buried what happened He had been married to an actress okay now

45:37 Here's a guy who is a cypher, he goes back to the turn of the century. He falls in love with an actress when he dies it's in his apartment residence and those of you who are familiar with popular time travel movies that's very similar to the film Somewhere In Time which was from the novel by Richard Matheson It's the Christopher Reeve Jane Seymour 1980 time travel story now Matheson was a contemporary of Jack Finney, the other writer who I mentioned. And Finney he wrote time travel stories a short story in which a time traveler named Charlie goes back to New York turn of the century and then he also wrote Time and Again which preceded The Somewhere In Time novel by five years but in that novel it's also 1890s

46:35 New York. And then in the Matheson novel, you have the character goes back in time goes back in the case of his book 1910 falls in love with an actress and in the end he dies now in the novel He goes into the novel he's got cancer In the movie, he dies of a broken heart but in both cases he is in the hotel room okay so In the book, we talk about okay what did Matheson and Finney know about Charles Howard Johnson? Were they associated with a group like the Titans? How did they learn about Charles Howard Johnson back in the 60s and 70s. It's really the biggest mystery of this I mean were they writing or were they intrigued with this Johnson mystery Or one alternative is that Johnson is from our time

47:33 and did what the characters in Finney and Matheson's book do, and they travel back in time the same way through the power of human consciousness. They are able to draw themselves into the past through focus concentration meditation I think connected to remote viewing what we call remote viewing And did we come to these things from a group like the Titans. That's one of the questions we ask and I feel like I meandered a little bit there, but that's the nature of the information." Yes it's great! That must have been what you were referring to when you said you think there is another option and then i went on a tangent and I wrote that down come back to it yes that's interesting proposition and Jack Finney

48:23 So just a little more context he was a popular sci-fi author of his day he wrote invasion the body snatchers you wrote this time travel story called the third level the man named charlie who. Slips back into time he slips back to eighteen ninety four which is the year charles johnson's wife died so, That's an interesting time and I guess i have in my notes. In another story, the Dakota building is a portal for time travel but the building wasn't built until two years after the story takes place? What's that about? Yeah and Finney admits that he took liberties because he liked the Dakota Building so much that he wanted to use it as a setting So that was creative license on his part What is the Dakota Building? Is it a building in New York

49:13 Yeah, it's the building infamously where John Lennon was murdered. Shot outside because he had property in I think like half a floor in the Dakota building he and Yoko owned at the time he was murdered. It is also the building where Rosemary's Baby is filmed. It's this old 19th century ornate structure and you know Finney just loved it. And so he took the liberty, the creative license to include it in his story now It begs the question You know the fun question of well maybe in our timeline? It wasn't built until two years later Maybe originally it was and then

50:04 through weird stuff going on in the mid to late 20th century, our timelines got screwed with. I don't know there you're getting into some pretty wild discussions on perception and time but... Hey, that's normal around here. Yeah yeah I figured you'd like that one yes so let's talk a little more about the logistics of the idea that Johnson traveled back through something close to remote viewing now he was physically there He was an illustrator of a lot of work So are you saying this is like a level up from remote viewing remote travel pulling yourself into a different timeline? Through the veil yeah

50:49 Here's what we point out in the book, which is really interesting. Finney writes and publishes his novel time and again in 1970. Now, in this novel, the guy named Sy, Sidney something I forget the last name goes by Sy he is recruited by an army intel officer who recruits him into this special unit which uses psychics or meditation. And he's taken into this warehouse where there is all these little cubicles and one cubicle is dressed in design like ancient Rome, and the individual working that one is dressed you know like in a toga, someone in ancient Rome

51:38 There's all these different areas of history and the individual, the intelligence operative who is meditating and using the power in their mind is living in that cubicle. And the idea is full immersion in that era. The idea is to be able to transport your consciousness or see back into that era, that actual time, or maybe even transport yourself. Well this character Sai He picks the era of the 1890s and he dresses like a man in the 1890's, surrounded by all the trappings in his cubicle. And he succeeds through the power of the mind to transport himself back in time and of course there is romance and you know all those things we see where it's like oh hey I'm back 80 years or whatever. What's interesting

52:34 We are told that through other sources, that around 68 or 69 was the real early days of remote viewing research. So most commonly people think of remote viewing as starting sometime in the 70s but there's reason to suspect that it might have started around 1968-1969 so I asked could Finney have learned about this? what the army was doing, could he have been fed this for some reason or was this exposed to him and he wrote about it within a fictional context because what he describes these cubicles in this method of you know looking through time totally reminds you of remote viewing units. You know the remote viewing unit where they're in their little thing and they have their target there using the power of the mind now to further it

53:27 Five years later, Richard Matheson has published his novel which was originally titled Bid Time Return but was changed to Somewhere in Time after the movie. And his character does time travel in the same manner exact manner immersion if you've seen the movie and I'm talking about he goes to a place that existed so he's in the physical space that existed He puts on a suit from 1910 You know The Target era even has the money in his pocket and all this stuff and he, through the power of his mind is able to transport himself physically back to the past. And these guys were contemporaries their novels using the same method of time travel come out within five years of each other and it's in the heart of you know the early years of this remote viewing thing now The Matheson Novel doesn't involve government anything like that

54:21 But you have to wonder, what did these authors know about what this remote viewing group possibly was doing? Now you got that right there in the mix. So then you have to wonder was Charles Howard Johnson a member of the Remote Viewing Unit? Was he a member of this US military intelligence And it actually worked. He was able to actually do it and is he the one that told Finney about it? Did Johnson himself convince Jack Finney that, that was him the illustrator in the 1890's well oh another part of it was I believe in the Finney novel The people they send back are artists so they can draw what they see right So there's the Illustrator connection

55:14 And by extension, did Finney introduce Johnson to Richard Matheson? Because and finally after years I've convinced him to do it. Sashary and I are going to start doing episodes on my channel where we reveal the in-depth research and analysis and conversations that we have had for well over a decade on time, the nature of time, time travel possibilities. You know part of that is a deep analysis of Richard Matheson's book in The Movie Somewhere In Time. And we became convinced that Richard Matheson,

55:55 learned, stumbled into deciphered. He learned something about the nature of time and the ability to see through it or move through it that he took to his grave but its encoded because he had a hand in writing the film It is embedded in the novel and even more so in the film now I asked his son once hey kind of obliquely did your dad ever talk about blah blah blah particular subject that is thematic thread of what we're talking about here with this time travel knowledge. And he told me, he goes no I don't recall that but you know I don't know if for sure whether R.C would admit that to me and nobody if his dad did tell him but were convinced that Matheson seriously learned something about the incredible esoteric nature of time and perhaps how human beings can see through it or move through it so again the question is

56:54 Was Johnson one of these guys and did Finney and Matheson meet Johnson? Did Johnson share information with these two authors that you can find in their books. I love it a lot, i mean clearly there's a little bit of speculation involved but always the data points of like predictive media are there and these people are clearly in the milieu You know the upper crust of their day so i think it's very interesting in fleming you know that's a great example lot of his material. Comes from inside sources they say the same about a lot of the guys who write spy novels and stuff that they are connected to intelligence even michael crichton, some of these ideas people say were derived from

57:47 talking to people who are involved in the actual work that he's writing about sometimes as a hypothetical. It's like, yeah well the shape of this is very common so that aspect isn't far from the truth already. Well I'm glad you brought up the world of spies and spy chasers and espy. I lived in that world for awhile And people in our community there some people out there they think speculation is a dirty word because I think they have a tragic error in their general philosophy of life.

58:23 Speculation is not a dirty word. Speculation is very useful tool and I can tell you when you're hunting a spy, okay? Very often you go into it with just one or two small pieces of evidence that tell your gut we got a problem here We've got a mole...we've got a spy and there's a lot of throwing spaghetti on the wall to see what sticks. Now, the definition of what sticks is when you throw that spaghetti on the wall so to speak basically your pulling a thread your following an investigative hunch or lead and you find real evidence to support that particular thats how the spaghetti sticks to the wall as you find the evidence but in that world when you're spy hunting you're looking for a ghost

59:11 And that's how you have to go about it. That's why it takes years to catch these guys." Well, I look at trying to solve the mystery of Johnson just like hunting a spy. Okay? There is something funny going on here and you have to speculate. Yeah! You pull some threads that lead to nothing. Some of your speculations okay...that was a dead end onto the next one but its'a very useful tool and you have to do it and use it but there are people out there who have what we call a certainty fetish. And oh my god, the idea of not being certain about something scares the hell out of them and what they do is they put in their form of Dunning-Kruger I call it the cocksurety

59:54 thing, and they want to have cocksurety about everything. They want to be certain they want to be certain and so therefore anything that's not certain they mock...they're afraid of it. So they say oh it doesn't count in what's too bad about that line of thinking is when you're dealing with cases like what we're talking about today, you got to think outside the box. You've gotta be open to the speculation. You have to speculate on some things with a small S but You have to be honest and admit when you're doing it. I try to do that, I try to say hey here's a hypothesis I have, scant evidence but here is the possibility and if it's possible it has to be considered so yeah your right! You take these small data points what little we have and you say okay what are the possibilities here? We also say that could've just been roll of the dice

1:00:49 And like I said, there are 10 guys like Lockwood who wrote books. And it just so happens that the things fell into place to make Lockwood look like he was a genius with foresight when actually he would say what the hell you talking about? I made all that up Well, the Kokshurian fetishizers certainly aren't listening to us now and that's all good. But I agree there are a lot of people where even something like 9-11 they're like Well, there was a commission. There was an investigation so how can you doubt that? And it's like well if you're that easy to fool the government's gotcha by the balls at all times just make some bullshit investigation and ease your concerns. It works on so many people but I guess its time we start wrapping up. I could keep ya all day its already a marathon session of two hours but there was one other thing you mentioned in your live stream with Todd

1:01:47 where someone from the chat said, you mean Pfizer doesn't have our best interest in mind? You said well they screwed me up hearing aids my eyes and arthritis too. Are you talking about a medication or something that Pfizer made I am talking my friend about the vaccine no my primary physician my oncologist and my rheumatologist have all independently told me, you had a reaction to the vaccine. I took the Pfizer 2 shot and within 24 hours of the second shot, my hearing reduced it sounded like I was underwater

1:02:28 My whole body was racked with pain and I started having floaters all within 24 hours of the second shot. Ultimately, I ended up with 70% loss of hearing in one ear and a little less in the other. I had to have optical surgery where I had cataracts removed and new lenses put in my eyes And now I suffer with rheumatoid arthritis. And my rheumatologist told me, he goes, I have about 18 or 19 other patients just like you that have RA because of the vaccine."

1:03:05 And, you know I tried to hold off but they said hey you know you're in your late 50s. You've survived cancer. You know you're in that zone that this thing might COVID thing might hurt ya so it might behoove you to get it So I finally gave in because my 88 year old mom had it and it didn't affect her My son took it and didn't affect him so I thought okay I'll do it It was the second shot Yeah...I'm one of those that it messed me up And my doctors confirmed it. Yeah, that's the rare part you know I'm so sorry to hear that but i mean It happened 24 hours after clearly there is a connection but sometimes its not so sudden and then people go to the doctor and say hey this might have affected me because its only thing I've done differently and they're like no impossible and thats adding insult to injury Well I went to the emergency room after several days My daughter says You know what

1:04:01 There's fear of stroke with this. I went to the emergency room and I told them what I was going through, and they said when did this start? And I said it started within 24 hours after getting the second shot you should have seen their eyes got big and it was almost like there were robots oh no! It could not possibly have been the shot it must be something else and they got real nervous and I said that's what happened my primary physician she was livid She said they didn't even test me for strokes She goes Of course You had a reaction to this shot And the oncologists were like, yeah looks just like I told you. So I'm one of those that it happens to be true and my doctors confirmed it."

1:04:42 Well, I'm really sorry to hear that you were affected in such severe ways. The trifecta of ways and I'm hearing more and more stories like that sadly and it's just unfortunate situation weird note end on. I have these $3,000 Mondo digital with Bluetooth capability hearing aids that are just amazing they fixed my eyes for the first time since 10th grade i don't have to wear glasses to see distance only have to wear reading glasses its wonderful The rheumatoid arthritis is what really sucks, I'll have to admit. That sucks but...I'm still alive! Yeah well there are some things in the weird science realm about red light therapy and arthritis and i'm sure you'll go down those rabbit holes but modern technology's definitely a double edged sword isn't it? Oh yeah

1:05:30 Man, so before we go tell the people about some of your upcoming work. I understand you have a werewolf project, the second volume of Esoteric Napoleon on top of the third volume in The Lost Future series? I mean busy as ever! Well, The Werewolf book came out early last year and it's just the Book of Werewolves which is a classic reprint. The Napoleon material...I'm going to be presenting that more in documentary fashion than in a book I've decided because i really want to get that out there. I've made some discoveries beyond what's in the book and, I'm going to be doing audio books more my books are already written we're going through the process of three books have already been recorded one of them is The Mystery Of Ingersoll Lockwood the other one is The Esoteric Napoleon and one of my pulp novels so where I'm venturing into audiobooks venturing into documentaries and of course Empire The Wheel is moving

1:06:27 closer and closer to being a TV series. So that's always moving forward, that can be a slow process till suddenly it happens and I got the Walter Bosley channel which is going really well! Man, a Walter of many trades. You got your hand in many pies I love it! Yeah you gotta stay busy yeah i suppose so well i look forward to the continuation of several of the threads that you've been on and this has been a lot of fun we're all over the map is great thanks for doing it and take care alrighty thank you greg that's always good to be here i look forward to doing this again

1:07:06 All right, cool cats and kittens. How do we feel about that one? Walter Bosley I think he's one of the best and I thought today was great there are a couple of spots where you'll hear what sounds like a bad edit but the reality is that a lot of audio hardware has a cough button on it and Walter did press his cough button a couple of times to cough or clear his throat And sometimes when that comes right at the end of a word or beginning of a word, it can sound like a really hard harsh poorly done edit. But the reality is there's nothing we can do about it. So I can't let my guy take any heat regarding that because it wasn't his fault.

1:07:46 Just wanted to address it before the speculation came that we cut out something provocative, which we did not. So there you have it but there's certainly some mystery around Ingersoll Lockwood and the Barron Trump books he wrote and clearly now his illustrator Charles Howard Johnson? You know I don't actually think like this but I've heard people try to build the argument that figures in history who go by three names first middle and last are signaling that they're industry plants or people placed in positions that are not exactly genuine. And I do think that's a stretch, it could have been true at one time or it could be true on some level

1:08:29 but it's not like you can keep regular folks from adopting that format. We've had several guests who use their middle name as well because there might be some famous athlete that shares their name and drowns out their search results, which I think makes sense but it also does make me a little curious in this specific case of Charles Howard Johnson so much weird stuff though the Longfellow family tomb being empty Charles Howard Johnson, not having a known grave site or much of a verifiable history before a pretty late point in life. Ingersoll Lockwood being appointed the youngest diplomat to date by Lincoln and being this children's book author just seems weird like based on what criteria are you made a diplomat? I don't know

1:09:22 And I'm just intrigued by the idea that Charles Howard Johnson could be a physical time traveler, seeding material from the future in his work subtly. Maybe just by making little suggestions to the authors or maybe they were more involved in scrying as that one detail of the cracked mirror and the painting suggests The synchronicities are there. This is just the mental reverse engineering of how it could be that way I could see some people saying, Oh well you're stretching with a lot of this but the original thread that got Walter and his coauthor and a lot of people curious is the books And how synchronistic they seem to be with our timeline

1:10:14 Then you look at the author and see some other odd aspects of a clearly connected person in government, and in the sense of this scientific guild sort-of thing. You see this illustrator doing work for another author whose family tomb is empty. You fold in some of the Margarita Todd stuff from The Second Hour and something really odd is going on! Clearly she was murdered for some reason And then let's add to the stack that the arrow ships are in play around this time. It's kind of like our favorite era to look at, right? Just before the robber barons monopolized everything it seemed like a really exciting and hopeful time lots of esoteric technologies, lots of new inventions. The medical system had not yet been so centralized and standardized

1:11:07 But it's the era of Tesla. Royal Reif was alive during this time, born in 1888 died in 1971 so I like guests who focus on this time period and I think the framing of this material as The Lost Future series is really fun does this all amount to an aspect of the struggle between the robber barons and those who wanted a freer open society? Analog brought up that the Astor family wasn't just opposed to the Federal Reserve, John Jacob Aster was also into concave earth and exploring the mysteries. He had to go for the banksters and robber barons to create a mental construct of fixed controlled world where everything that is possible is known and best technologies are in use under their steady hand plus fractional reserve banking So I think this all a worthy inquiry

1:12:04 Walter and his co-author have dug up some unknown characters of history, and found some mysterious aspects to their lives in a good chunk of predictive media books & illustrations. I'm into it! Over the years i actually have seen Walter get a lot of shit online here and there And yes people online in comment sections tend to just be fairly negative And I also get that some people won't like the military background or some of the personality aspects that come with that. But, I like to focus on the common ground where I'd never get to talk to anybody and Walter and I think have a lot of that common ground. I actually think the Tartaria people need to circle back to Latitude 33 because he was on this idea of a privileged elite using the Earth grid and energetic technologies really early on

1:12:58 And having this stuff built into Disneyland originally is provocative as hell. We're going to suppress this stuff for the masses, but some of us might use it in very specific ways that line our pockets. I also can't believe he's been so affected by the jabs either? I mean, I can! I hear these statistics... But as an isolated case man ears eyes and joints all affected I know a lot of people in this conspiracy space tend to get very us vs. them and have a real lack of empathy for anyone who made that choice, but i don't like to see anybody suffer and appreciate his openness & non-victim mentality about the whole thing we only learn about true fallout by those affected being honest about it if you lack empathy for those

1:13:56 who faced some damage or some harsh consequences, you should think about that because you're probably a lot closer to a Fauci Bill Gates Klaus Schwab mindset than you should be. But I'll move on before I ruffle too many feathers with that and I would say we can add this one to a long list of fun shows we've done with Walter the second hour got pretty wild with the Margarita Todd stuff. The Pusin letter, the mystery of Renle Chateau and Walter's personal stories from his autobiographical high strangeness memoir Confessions of a Spooky Mind. Tons of good stuff become a plus member already! The links are right at the top of your show notes get in the game treat yourself to the full experience and let's keep the THC train moving

1:14:45 As for the last episode with Matthew LaCroix, I was a little nervous because the early rating was low but it ended up being a 4.5 and that's a lot more in line with my thinking. I was surprised that so many commenters felt like they got a salesman vibe or less than genuine vibe from him obviously that is a position that was very split and several other people counterpointed that they loved in But I find Matt LaCroix to be pretty much best in class when it comes to people focused on the ancient world. He's got good energy, a lot of passion and he is very good speaker! I understand why he gets so many opportunities to be on all those history channel shows or have his own Gaia TV series...he is talented and well informed

1:15:38 I think anytime we have guests who share their feelings about the future or the idea of a hidden hand of psychopathic elite through time and these sorts of broad over arching, this is the general shape of things as I see them. Well that's the sort of stuff that gets the strongest reactions from listeners If you don't see the same thing as Ronnie Pontiac or Matt LeCroy on aspects of a worldview that are so fundamental, I could see that souring the whole thing for somebody. It's important to be open-minded and all that but these are pretty foundational perspectives for a lot of us in Matt's case he strikes the right balance for me in saying that history is a big lie

1:16:28 The human story has been hijacked and suppressed. We are under the thumb of a tyrannical elite, and have been for a long time. An elite that is also inspired or directed by an even higher level control system? I love all that stuff but then he also says you can still find a lot of good in the universe plug yourself into unity consciousness we can move the needle in our favor and the future looks pretty bright because they will fail, and they will lose. I'm good with that! I think they will lose but i just don't know if it will be soon... It could be in 500 more years and for me in this lifetime thinking about how long I have left and how long my kids have left that's functionally eternity so chapters in The Human Story can be quite long

1:17:28 But I hope you liked this one and found it to be unique and interesting in a listening landscape where so much of it seems like the same five stories on 50 different podcasts. Maybe that's just me, but I'm sure you guys will let me know what the rating systems. I'm optimistic. And as for the meetups we got going on out there, let's see where we're at HiresideMeetups.com if you want to see the calendar, get into the details RSVP or start your own event when it comes to what's on deck we have one tonight in Manchester Connecticut The crossover event with no agenda at the Urban Brewery location in a legendary nutmeg state March 23rd

1:18:15 Red Oak Brewery in Whitslett, North Carolina. Also on the 23rd, Saco Maine The Golden Rooster March 30th Abbots Ford British Columbia Canada at Fieldhouse Brewing April 6th Legacy at the Riverfront Tallahassee Florida April 8th Huntington Indiana Heartland Harbor and also April 8th Carbondale Illinois Buckwater BrewWorks Good stuff! Go meet some new people if you're anywhere near those locations and I appreciate you listening, if you are a plus member even more so. And I thank Walter for taking the time to take care of you and yours out there keep the dream alive! And I'll see you soon with another one that I think you'll like too. I've done my part Your move Esoteric Technology Erasers Altruistic Elite Assassinators & Thieves Of The Lost Future

1:19:08 Your fucking move. Well, they tie that yellow ribbon round the oak tree All the prayer in their long thought They were rooting for the home team As they're sent to the game and torn apart We twist this tourniquet upon a pipeline That it carries all of pain and wounds as we blindly clap and cheer from The sidelines at Square

1:19:46 on a losing streak from the restart and that's where they found me in my cemetery smoking gun in my downfall THC, the arrogant scream They took that faded ribbon off the oak tree poured out all hope in their hearts for long thought I was doing

1:20:36 Now I'm lying in a pool of my blood And that's where they found me In the cemetery A smoking gun in my land Of the free Sing with me! And that's where they found me In the cemetery A smoking gun in my hand Now I'm down from the land of THC The American scream

1:21:31 I can't scream And that's where they found my cemetery A smoking gun from the land of me They can't shame