THC 96: Richard Sauder | Underground Bases, Strange Experiments, & Secret Civilizations

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01:29 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times! But well 1530 and I deal with a different kind of fire... For a new era of worldly frustration we offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats How's it going Hireside Chatters, drinking a little drink smoking a little smoke from San Diego. I'm Greg Carlwood and we've been around the block enough times to know there is vast control network of manipulative and abusive powers steering our societal ship through the rough waters of reality but like an iceberg floating in the sea we only get a glimpse at gears and levers that power this nefarious new world order network while bulk of beast remains hidden quite literally beneath the surface

02:26 Well lucky for us, today's guest has spent over 20 years researching these things beneath the surface in an ongoing pursuit to expose secret underground and underwater bases research facilities and tunnels And the broad range of activities that the conspiracy world suspects may be going on in the depths of these dark places His name is Dr. Richard Sautter and he is a predominant author in several alternative fields, and has written books entitled Underground Bases & Tunnels, Kundalini Tales, Underwater & Underground Bases, and most recently Hidden In Plain Sight Beyond The X-Files It's gonna get weird people and I couldn't be more pumped to get down to it! Richard my man welcome to the show

03:05 Thank you, I'm very happy to be with you. Yeah! Thanks so much for coming on this is an area of wild speculation and information embargoes and i'm really looking forward going through some other stuff with you it only makes sense that the ultra powerful organizations that run our reality would create underground installations because it offers the most security in secrecy two things we know they hold very dear I know you've been talking about this stuff for a long time, but give us an overview of the information you've gathered over the years. How would you brief people on Underground Basis 101? First of all, my last book on this topic is a big giveaway. It's a huge clue hidden in plain sight beyond the X-Files.

03:53 It's all right in front of us the money to to make these facility is being stolen from us Daily in a variety of different ways Being it's being sucked out of the economy how to government out-of-government coffers Out of banking coffers out of business literally and stealthy ways. It's been sucked out of people's bank accounts wallets and purses By the trillions, the multi-trillions of dollars. This is an ongoing theft it's a scam of epic proportions there has never been anything like this in history that's the fun thing side of it and its been going on for years decades actually

04:41 And then on the other side of it, the engineering to do all of this is like science fiction. It's like something from another realm or another world and yet we have these facilities all over the place military non-military and they can be extremely deep thousands of feet deep even one or two miles or more undergrounds and also undersea technologically feasible to make tunnels and enlarge facilities undersea, actually down in the bedrock beneath the seafloor. So the thing that people need to wrap their eyes around is...wrap their minds around is that while I do believe aliens and extraterrestrials exist and there's a ton of evidence that indicates they're coming here, they are here

05:34 and they're active here, and have been for a long time. You don't need extraterrestrial engineering or expertise per se to build these huge deep sophisticated underground and or underwater facilities. Terrestrial humanity in the large engineering companies and corporations the huge civil engineering and marine engineering firms Large government agencies with technical expertise. Have everything they need to make these facilities and indeed they are doing it have been doing it for a long time, and it is a different reality altogether there certainly are

06:20 thousands of people involved in making, constructing maintaining and operating these facilities. But because of the types of programs and projects that are carried out underground undersea in great secrecy these people have very stringent oaths security oaths that they enter into they sign then so very few them say anything It's a wonder that to me then anyone has spoken and during the course of my research I've spoken with the whole wide-range gamut Of individuals from the proverbial man and woman in the street right up two people right up reasonably highly placed in them alphabet soup mix of military industrial espionage agencies, so are there any

07:13 interesting or shocking details that you've uncovered about the actual construction of these bases? Because I've heard that some of them are burrowed out by large building-sized drills, or connected underground by maglev tube train systems. Well the machinery for underground excavation and construction can be extremely large and powerful The tunnel boring machines themselves are mostly electrically powered. And in the literature, the largest diameter of a cutting face of a tunnel boring machine so-called TBMs was about 55 56 feet in diameter and that's huge! Yeah So you can imagine a machine that has a cutting face with the diameter

08:06 55, 56 feet. The kind of horsepower that the sheer raw power and energy that it would take for that to grind its way through solid rock hundreds or thousands of feet beneath the surface so then... And then the trailing apparatus behind that to carry away the rock debris that's ground away as these machines chew their way through solid rock. And all of that can extend hundreds of feet behind the actual cutting face of a machine, so you're talking about a machine that is like a huge gargantuan extremely powerful earthworm basically but it bores its way through solid rock That's the basic

08:56 tunnel boring machine and there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of them being used all over the world. You could actually if you have a half million extra dollars laying around you could probably buy a used serviceable tunnel boring machine off the internet. Yeah that is super interesting man are these bases connected in any way underground as far as you've seen like with that type of maglev technology or any type of rocket train tube technology? Well, let me tell you Greg there are many stories about that anecdotal stories that you will hear and if you do a keyword search on the internet. You can probably come up with some of these stories about

09:41 high-speed maglev trains and alien bases, and connecting American military bases all over North America. What I can tell you from my research is that there was a concerted period of research in high speed underground vacuum tube Tunnel transport by vacuum tube I mean tunnels, long tunnels hundreds even thousands of miles long from which the air has been evacuated. Essentially making it an extremely long and extremely large vacuum tube Now why would you do that? Well it's so that when you send a high-speed train through the vacuum tube there is no air resistance And they can go much faster using less energy

10:34 So, once you built a tunnel and it's airtight and you suck all the air out of it. You could send, of course, a sealed train through there. Sealed so the passengers won't asphyxiate in a vacuum but a sealed train you could send to at very high speed with no air friction whatsoever now What pops up again and again in the literature, and I discuss all this in my book is the maglev technology. The idea that you would levitate the train cars which would be spherical on a magnetic field. The magnetic field will be generated by electromagnetic coils that would be embedded in the floor of the tunnel then you have miles and miles

11:27 electromagnetic coils as many miles as the tunnel is long, and they would create a magnetic field. And then the train would float on this magnetic field you know couple inches three inches whatever above there the floor of the tunnel and then once you've started to pulse the magnetic field these coils these electromagnetic coils buried in the floor of a tunnel, once you pulse the current through them it would create a sort of magnetic wave analogous to a wave on the sea like surfers riding a cresting wave on the sea. Only in this case you would have a train in a deep underground tunnel riding

12:21 magnetic wave that would pulse down the length of this tunnel and the train would ride that you would Pulse it as fast as you wanted to train to go now this Do is that clear do you understand what I'm yeah, absolutely. I've seen some futurists talk about it But the idea that its in existence now That's pretty wild Well, let's go back to the 1930s to the Third Reich because that is where it all started with a German engineer named Hermann Kemper who came up with this idea of the Rohrbahn which is exactly what I just described you. Only he was prepared to do it with 1930s technology and he published some… actually got a patent, a Reichspatent for it and which

13:12 mentioned in my book and I also have some diagrams of his proposed underground high-speed maglev train tunnel network in Europe connecting the major capitals of Europe, Kaliningrad which is now in Russia. I believe Vienna Paris Bonn, Berlin, Hamburg, Zurich. It would go all over Europe that was his plan and using 1930s technology he was planning for a train that would go 600 miles per hour underground which is faster than most commercial airliners travel today

13:55 So, you understand that's like 80 years ago. 70 years ago he was planning for that and writing about it openly discussing it. Well of course World War II put an end to those plans as far as I know or did they? And who would know because at the end of World War 2 so much about what happened Germany in the 30s and 40s was classified. And a lot of it is classified to this day, so if he ever built anything like that it was kept deep you know top secret from that day until now.

14:36 The fact that starting in the early to mid 60s and running up at least through the early 70's but petering out by the late 70s, there was a lot of publicly published literature in engineering scientific and military and government literature about building very high speed tube transport system in the United States, city to city intercity. Military agencies were involved civil engineering companies were involved non-military government agencies were involved think tanks were involved it was a very high level serious scientific and engineering research effort there was a lot of time and money put into this and then Greg it all went away

15:33 except that just a few years, I would say five six years after the literature trail ran cold. It just all withered and died away and that was when by the late 80's you started hearing rumors about a secret underground very high-speed tunnel system. Isn't that funny? Definitely a correlation there. Yes, that's what i think so my guess is all of the noise died down to a whisper, an inaudible whisper. And they meaning the power structure, big engineering companies, military agencies and some of the other government agencies... Of course there would have been banks and financial institutions involved in this because

16:24 Carrying out a large, huge engineering project like that costs many billions of dollars. I wanted to ask you about maybe what these tunnels can be connecting because we hear so much about these bases and as a show that handles a lot of fringe topics, there's very few threads that make my mouth water like the stories of these stranger aspects that are going on in these underground bases. I'm very curious. I've also heard some rumors uh...that go into the territory of saying there's full underground cities

17:07 Well, let me tell you my research shows unambiguously that the larger of these facilities can accommodate thousands of people. So yeah they are... One example would be one publicly known example would be Mount Weather, the big Mount Weather, the big FEMA underground base beneath Mount Weather in Northern Virginia this This is outside of Washington DC when you start to get into the Appalachian Mountains. It's in the front range of the Appalachians and that actually was started back in 1950s and it still a major very large operational base for United States Federal Government, then they can accommodate thousands people

17:55 So indeed, and it's way down there. The top levels of that base are like 500 or 600 feet underground and then of course it goes down deeper than that so these bases can be very deep Very large and they can accommodate not just scores not just hundreds of people but thousands of people living and working in them so people need to expand their mental horizons, and when I say You know that there's a it's a different reality. It's like a parallel world out Of sight out of mind right? I'm telling the literal truth And when I say they're unknown thousands of people involved you know

18:37 and building, maintaining and operating working in these facilities. I'm not exaggerating that's by thousands...I mean many many thousands Wow this is almost like a breakaway civilization It is, and people like Richard Dolan and Joseph Farrell and Catherine Austin Fitz have been talking about that. And I've been talking about that really myself for the last 20 years without having ever specifically used that word but it is...it's like a parallel reality and how can it be that you have so many thousands of thousands of thousands of people involved in constructing

19:18 maintaining, operating and living and working in these facilities. And virtually none of them talk down to a man and woman." Well it tells you that what is going on is really highly secret, that its Very important for the people who are engaged in it and that the penalties for talking must be extremely severe Right such that virtually no virtually. No one does and or if they do they are shut up Man, so of course they're trying to keep these things a secret. Have you ever been able to see beyond the veil to get any indication of what type of activities are going on? Because that's a lot of effort and energy to keep obviously some type of experimentation or something is secret

20:05 Well, let me tell you. Sure and not all of these bases are secret some of them are in my research indicates clearly that there are secret underground installations That's an incontrovertible fact how many I don't know where are they? I don't know because their secret You see that's very difficult to say right Where are then what's done in them there again? You can't really say unless you're on the inside of those compartmentalized programs. And if you're on the inside, then you are in and not out so you can't talk and if you do I guess there are enforcers who fix this situation so that either don't talk again or just don't breathe again Like I said earlier There's entire parallel track of reality on this planet

20:58 And what's going on? Who is involved? All we can say is, not much more than what I'm saying. We got trillions of dollars disappearing just being sucked out of the system. Of the global economy, the economy of the United States but beyond that of the entire planet. Trillions Greg, trillions being sucked off into top secret programs My research strongly indicates that part of that is the underground and undersea bases and tunnels. Yeah, interesting! Richard you know time is flying by and there's so much I really want to ask you about in particular i know that people want to hear about some of the weirder aspects of these bases? We've had a lot of guests that talk about like the base in Dulce New Mexico... That's propaganda

21:51 Dulce, in my estimation is propaganda disinformation. Interesting because the main rumor there is ET involvement and I was wondering if you've heard any stories of ET involvement at these underground bases that you think are credible? Well, I don't think the Dulce base stories are credible in that. I don't think there is a base as the rumors and stories and legends describe at or very near the small town of Dulce New Mexico which is just south of the border with Colorado Are their secret underground bases? Yes! Are there aliens underground? I believe there are. Are they're joint alien top-secret

22:37 American military programs or projects underground. I think the anecdotal evidence strongly points in that direction, yes Is the Dulce story as told true? I think it's highly probable disinformation If Dulce you think is misinformation That's totally possible are there what are some of the anecdotal stories that you do think have some credibility to them Well, I think – and I discuss a few of them in my book in the last chapter. There's for instance

23:14 a base that has been described off the undersea, off the coast of Puerto Rico. An underwater base, alien base I'm inclined to give that a greater hearing because there has been a lot of reported UFO activity in the Caribbean area including in Puerto Rico and in the waters, the seas around Puerto Rico Also, for years the United States Navy had a station at Roosevelt Roads in eastern Puerto Rico. That region was very high level of American US Navy activity for period of all

24:06 most of the post-World War II period until about 10 years ago. I think there's a reason for that. Another place where I think there is high possibility of underground alien activity would be off the coast of California. Linda Moulton Howell describes in one her books, which I cite in my book an anecdote from one of her informants being taken to section under sea base, which by the way very much resembled the entrance

24:46 technology of the rock site base technology that I discuss in my book, leading me to wonder if maybe it's not an American Navy undersea facility. That's off the coast of California in the Channel Islands region that has an alien presence these types of stories so those are Two examples right there that I would lend some credence to. And then the Southwest region in general, there are a lot of videos and noise on the internet about the United States military having shot down and or recovered, crashed

25:32 UFOs, in some cases with their occupants dead and other cases with live occupants. Of course Roswell figures very large in this scenario but not only Roswell and my estimation Los Alamos itself would be the site where one or more of these aliens would have been kept quarantined Interesting. And obviously there is going to be a lot of disinformation around such high priority topic and... Let me tell you something else, Greg. There are a lot of disinfo agents within the field of ufology. Yes! Going all the way back to 1940s especially starting in 50's and 60's

26:20 There were a lot of people involved in ufology with connections to the United States military and espionage agencies. There still are, and also in the field of remote viewing many of the prominent names in the field of remote viewing either were in the past direct employees of military or espionage agencies Or have close ties with people who were. And it's just reality, once you get in to these areas that the powers that be prefer That the people know little or nothing about You start running into individuals with connections both formal and informal To intelligence espionage and military agencies That is reality

27:09 Yeah, it definitely is. So let's get to some truth or maybe more just your belief structure but you said that you believe that there probably are some ET bases like you described what would you assess as the ET landscape in regards to working with people? Another anecdote I give from my book is a first-person account of an individual who was abducted. And, of course there are more and more abductees every decade. There appears to be a lot of this going on apparently with the connivance of shadowy elements of the United States government and military but this particular

27:54 man was taken to an underground facility and intrusive medical examination was performed on him. He was in something that resembled a medical school amphitheater, and he was being worked on by aliens but he also saw perfectly normal appearing terrestrial humans with them so it was a joint alien-human operation That's interesting. Yes, well I mentioned this in my book and he asked because he was of course traumatized and surprised and puzzled all that and more And so as this was going on I said where am I? He told me you are in

28:40 an underground base in Southeast Kansas. And as he was told that, he got a telepathic vision of being in a deep underground base in Southeast Kansas beneath the Kansas landscape and then he said well why? He was told well, an important procedure is being performed on you that could be for the benefit of you and other people so he was their lab rat in other words And the thing that impressed him was number one, the facility and what was happening to him clearly was astonishing. Beyond that, there's aliens working on me but you know what? There are people here too with them so I have some of those stories in my book

29:29 I accept that this is going on. I accept that this is part of the underground and underwater basis scenario, there's just a real bizarre aspect of it. I also was contacted by an engineer who spent his career working these facilities, the really secret ones He actually, frankly confessed to me that he had amnesiac blocks in his memory. There were things he couldn't remember that have been... just weren't there. Missing episodes and periods This is another thing that pops up, the mind control aspect of this alternate reality. We are so deep into simulated artificial virtual reality man! This whole planet is rigged and controlled. We're like in a Hollywood, high budget Hollywood sci-fi production. It's like the whole planet is that way

30:25 But what he told me was that, and he told me like in California, Colorado, Nevada different places there are these very deep, very large extremely sophisticated technologically cutting edge manufacturing facilities that the military industrial complex has established such that if civilization so-called civilization is destroyed They have the capability using what's underground to make whole cloth from beginning to end a functional automobile, or functional jet airplane.

31:08 or a train locomotive, or a microwave oven, or television, tabletop radio, cell telephone. You follow me? To reconstruct industrial technological civilization start from zero and start all over again without having to have a 5000 year cycle of development starting with, well we'll rub these two sticks together and make a fire. They don't want to go back to that point so if they blow up the entire world with nuclear war or there's a pole shift or asteroids whatever that one or more of these bases will survive and that they will jumpstart technological industrial civilization like basically from

31:55 Say from a mid 20th century, late 20th century start. So it's like you know no sweat to them they'll knock it all down destroy at all and started all over again on their terms and the other thing he described to me was And I've never seen this in the open literature anyway. Some of these bases, as he described to me have entrance tunnels that may be 20, 30, 40, 50 miles away from where the base itself is." Interesting now another area. I wanted to ask you know there's another ass yes one more thing he told me and this gets into the question of cyborgs which has been as discussed a lot in science fiction literature in science fiction films and More and more we see discussion the open literature of marrying DNA to electronic circuits or wiring computers right into human brains, right? now

32:54 He has memories of working with what, in vats. With what to him resembled large slabs of animal protoplasm like a side of beef and a vat but on the side of the beef would be a keyboard but it was like futuristic sci-fi kind of keyboard in which his hands and fingers would exactly fit And he was either programming the side of beef or in some kind of connection with the side of beef doing, and this is where his memory blanks out. He can only remember it doing it more than once. This was work he did and he's an engineer but he can't remember more than that. Oh man! That is weird I wonder if that has anything to do with the stories you hear of cloning are human-animal hybridization going on?

33:48 Far more than that, my guess would be and I ran across this in some of my research back at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. This was already back in the 1990s they were doing research where they would attach gold electrodes to DNA molecules and the idea was have an electronic contact between the DNA. In other words, they needed to have an electronic contact between the DNA and a supercomputer mainframe so that you could either decode or read what was in the DNA or program the DNA. So my guess is they're well beyond that probably creating

34:33 their own DNA and programming it to do God knows what. And that could be done on a nano level, microscopic level. That's scary stuff man! Have you heard any of those stories or do put in stock in the stories of human-animal hybridization at these underground facilities? Yes I did. What can tell us about that? That sounds super interesting Well, what I can tell you is what I know from the open literature that research in human-animal hybridization has been ... And not only that but transgenic biological engineering has been going on at least since the 1990's. My guess is extending all the way back to World War II period.

35:18 I think the Japanese and the Nazis were involved in this, and probably the Americans too. At least since 1930s or 1940s. In other words, I think the announcement by Watson and Crick of their discovery of the DNA molecule was probably a And a sense the disinformation too and that the public announcement of it probably greatly Lagged behind what was being done secretly by period years or decades yeah, and It's also true that the Department of Energy in the United States is The lead agency on this planet

35:59 for research into the human genome, human DNA. Now you would think it would be the Department of Health or I don't know some major biological research institute no it's the Department of Energy I'll tell you their public rationale for doing that. The public rationale is after World War II and the explosion, the first few atomic bombs it was realized that radiation has a detrimental effect on DNA, on genetic material so they needed to research that and that's why they're so heavily involved

36:41 researching human DNA. That's the cover story and there is some truth to that, no doubt about it! I believe the deeper reason is that essentially the most powerful energy in the universe IS information. Energy at its essence IS information and when you're dealing with for example supercomputing, which the Department of Energy is massively involved in as well. You're doing nothing but transfer of information. It's the transfer of information that precedes the employee release of energy in all cases and early on I think they realized when they began doing DNA research that the hyperdimensional quality of the DNA molecule

37:39 And when you're talking about the engineering of hyperdimensional realities or merely accessing hyperdimensional realities, you are talking about the release for access to stupendous energies of all kinds. Imaginable and unimaginable. So you see that DNA molecule is a hyperdimensional molecule. The Department of Energy is THE lead agency on this planet into cutting-edge research, not only human DNA but DNA in general. And so what I'm telling you is when you get into the realm of working with and through DNA You open the doors to the magical kingdom within To universal whatever knowledge power information there's just no end

38:39 That's what I'm telling you is just like an Alice in Wonderland reality that we're dealing with here. And for that reason, this keeps popping up again and again on the underground basis—this biological engineering, genetic engineering, cloning, hybridization of humans and animals and beings in vats full of amniotic fluid being cloned, and you run into this again and again. And I have just read these stories again and again. I believe that at least some of them certainly must be true!

39:18 Man, that is fascinating. There's another area I wanted to ask you about there's a lot of speculation about wild things going on in secret chambers under the pyramids of Giza and the Giza Plateau in Egypt Are you able to shed any light on what might be going on under the surface there? First of all What you see in Egypt today are highly eroded and ruined remnants Of majestic civilization that existed thousands years ago pharaonic Egypt, in other words dynastic Egypt that for mainstream historians and egyptologists begins about 4500 years ago. We're at the most 5000 years ago is just a remnant as magnificent as that was right but just a remnant of what went before according to my research and my understanding because there was before this

40:21 dynastic Egypt that we know from our history books, another even more magnificent civilization. How far back that goes I don't know having been there twice my feeling is it goes back at least 10 or 15 thousand years and maybe 20 30 40 50 thousand years when i first went and I stood there and looked at the Great Pyramid just looking at it immediately I knew everything I've been told in history that I learned in school and that I've read about from mainstream Egyptology. Whatever the truth is, they're not telling it because once...I just had a body knowing that no way! Whatever they say happened, it's not that way. It's far older and however they say it was done, it wasn't done in that way

41:14 And beyond that, it's true. There is quite a lot underground when I studied Arabic for a year beginning Arabic when I was doing my PhD and my instructor was an Egyptian military intelligence officer So I asked him about the pyramids at that time I hadn't been to Egypt and I asked him about the pyramids Is it true there is something underneath them? He said yes And I said, well what? He said there's just multiple levels of miles of tunnels and chambers under the Giza Plateau. This is my first time hearing that and it kind of rocked me back on my heels. Well really has anyone explored it? Sure! And he said who? Well he said the Egyptian army

42:04 has been all through there, sent their reconnoitering teams all through there and then locked it all off and blocked it all off with armed guards. And so I've subsequently learned and read and spoken with other people, and indeed that's true. There is quite a lot beneath the Giza Plateau which you see topside as part of it but there is more beneath Well why doesn't mainstream Egyptology say much of anything if anything about what's beneath? It's because there is a cover-up Greg! It's thousands of years long cover up about not only

42:41 Egypt and Giza, not only what's below the ground but what is inside in detail other chambers in the major pyramids. This whole planet is involved there a cover-up this whole planet as a black operation just disinformation everywhere. So everywhere up down and sideways We don't even know the planet that we're living on people think well I live on earth. I pretty well understand what's happening here No, you don't You know one person? You don't know 1% of what's happening here and yet we are I won't say we all because I don't anymore but I would say the vast majority of People walk up walk about just automatically assuming that they know what's happening and they don't so anyway

43:32 The stories about things underground in Egypt, oh hell yes. There is an awful lot of underground in Egypt. What do you think they're trying to hide? Previous technological civilization man! Yeah... Are there any details you can give us about what they might have found down there? Well what I've been told on the QT is that Well, what you can read and you can even find some of this on the internet is that the Arab historians which are very little listened to or studied in the Western world. Indian historians aren't either I mean from India but with the Arab historians and even more so the Indian historians have quite a lot to say about the previous cycle civilization or civilizations which were very advanced

44:22 In the case of Egypt, one of the stories that Arab chroniclers have left us down through centuries is that there was a huge global cataclysm approaching. And of course people who study this now realize that there have been repeated series of global cataclysms over very long period time but evidently this is the most recent one or one of their most recent ones There was a king named King Saurod, and this was many thousands of years ago. He learned through his seers that there was a huge cataclysm that was going to just pummel the earth in the relatively near future in a period of years and it was gonna be absolutely globally devastating

45:14 If I had a guess, it would be the destruction of Malduk that they probably observed. And there was lag time before all that debris from Malduk. Malduk being the planet that used to exist between Mars and Jupiter and exploded thousands years ago evidently in interplanetary warfare. People can read the books of Joseph Farrell or go online and read The Ages Of Uras Anton Parks, A-N-T-O-N last name P-A-R-K-S. People can Google his name he has some information about that Joseph Farrell has written about some of these things and others but my guess is that there was this interplanetary warfare and with the destruction of Maldeck they knew all of these debris from this exploded planet would come down to gravity well

46:06 from half a solar system away and blast the earth. And so he gave orders to have the Great Pyramid constructed as repository of all of the wisdom and knowledge, of the world at that time. And it was done. His name was King Saurit, S-A-U-R-I-T And this was done. The Arab chroniclers have kept the story down to many centuries, and Western historians I've never heard it mentioned until I did my own independent research but if you go and you actually read the dynastic succession of the kings before the deluge

46:49 The kings before the deluge, some of them had fantastic lifespans and reigns thousands of years. Then there was the deluge and everything changed afterwards people became more normal like we know them today Now it's interesting that on the Great Pyramid itself when in a medieval period when Arabs finally broke in by brute force Clearly there are secret entrances to the Great Pyramid from underground, for example. But when the Arabs broke in from above ground with brute force they found in the passageways inside the Great Pyramid like you know 150-200 feet up thick encrusted salt

47:31 which would be consistent with the sea having covered that area at one point in the past. And then as the sea subsided, there would have been a lot of evaporated salt left behind that was in the seawater and there's other evidence in Egypt for example the oasis of Fayyum which is now out in the desert south-southwest of Cairo, of Giza it's good two or three hour drive There's an oasis out there but it is a landlocked arm of the sea. In the past, the Mediterranean Sea extended down there and today you see it's all over thousands years dried up so in the past thousand years ago the geography that region was far different, far different looked for different vegetation different landscape waterways everything was just 180 degrees different

48:28 than it is today. Now, it's just sand and desert from horizon to horizon. It was not that way 10-11 thousand years ago Interesting. That also brings to mind another non-mainstream story from the ancient past that you've talked about, which is the Hopi don't they have a pretty interesting story about visiting beings from a tunnel system on the earth in the past? Yes, the Hopi and when the Great Deluge happened when there was the last great planetary catastrophe The Hopis say that they went lived underground in the southwest United States with the ant people for period of time

49:07 until conditions on the surface were once again conducive to human life. And they came back out onto the surface through like a cave opening or hole in the ground and now live again on the surface after having spent their period of time underground, underground mind you with ant people And to this day, the Hopi if you talk to them not what you read in books but if actually go and live in the Southwest as I did for many years. I lived out there for eight years including in the region near...I studied at the University of Flagstaff and they lived outside of Flagstaff and I knew some Hopis and talked a little bit with them about previous centuries and thousands of years.

50:01 The Hopi went walkabout as a people and they literally walked thousands of miles from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego is my understanding, and all points in between. This was their task given to them by the Creator because they are caretakers of the earth so they literally had to physically walk their garden that's taken care of so to speak And then they came back to the southwest region And one of their stories, and as they came back to Southwest some of the different pueblos that you see in the southwest at Mesa Verde for example in Arizona, at Walnut Canyon.

50:42 different Chaco Canyon, different places in New Mexico. Different places where you have these ancient Pueblo dwellings their oral history that they've the private oral history is that day would go and live at these places for 30 40 50 60 years and then they would be told to move and they would go to another place I lived there fifty years hundred years and then they would move around like that until he finally settled but two three Mesa area where they are now their last stop before the Three Mesa area was at Wupatki, which is in between Flagstaff and the Three Mesas in northwestern Arizona. At Wupatki

51:23 There is a ball court which is of the style in Mesoamerica, from Central America up into the Southwestern United States centuries ago, 1,000 years ago 2,000 years ago. There was a ball game that they played where the male players used to kind of have a rubber or leather ball and they booted it with their hips through hoops that were at the ends or sides of the ball court. This game is not played anymore and that is the most northern known ball court in Mesoamerican ball playing region there at Wupatki, and right beside a ball court there is a hole in the ground

52:08 where the wind is always blowing in or out. It's an entrance to a vast underground cave system right there. I've gone many times, it depends on the air pressure when there is low air pressure the air blows out from underground when there is high air pressure the air blow into underground and I mean days on end The story of the Hopi is that there's an underground area there where they lived and when they came out, they came out in a hole on or near the side of the Grand Canyon. That's the story I believe it's true as told. Yeah that's so interesting! I'm always fascinated by those old stories of intelligent species that might not even be human but are from within the earth There are a lot of old cultures to talk about that It's really interesting thread

53:01 Well, I don't think that the so-called terrestrial human race is the only technologically capable or intelligent species on the earth. There are a lot of stories about large intelligent insect beings and reptilian beings. You even run into some stories about other intelligences as in Was it Ayanis who was the fish man who came up out of the Persian Gulf and brought civilization to the ancient Sumerians and Babylonians thousands years ago. And, of course there are stories of these aquatic

53:46 aquatic humans. There are many stories about the mer people, mer meaning sea, the sea people who live underwater. There are many stories from many cultures around the world of mer-people human beings who live under water or human-like beings who live underwater and also, surprisingly enough there are even some modern day sightings from time to time of merpeople. So I don't rule out at all that there could be aquatic one or more aquatic species of humans or human like beings Yeah, I am really curious if there's any ongoing communication with these species maybe in secret because it just seems like a wealth of potential. Well, I think so...I think so at the least probably the Russians and Americans have communication with them and

54:42 But you have to understand that this regime in Washington DC right now is so evil, and it's got its tentacles everywhere. Of course it has allies Wall Street, the city of London, Tel Aviv, Herzliya, different places... It's an evil neocon Zionist bankster cabal that they're taking frankly Greg, they are taking this planet down They have a pronounced self-destructive, auto destructive impulse. And they're leading us... We already have Fukushima and Chernobyl now they've taken us to the brink of shooting nuclear war with the Russians and I mean how much worse can it get before it's over?

55:34 That's the million dollar question. Because the direction we're headed right now is an extremely dark, negative destructive evil direction I mean we could name deforestation The great forests in Asia and Africa Latin America are being cut down, the Great Tropical Forests The seas are being poisoned We have exploded melted-down nuclear power plants We have a global financial system based on the United States dollar that is self-destructing. We have a NATO Pentagon military machine that seems to be doing its best to egg the Russians into shooting nuclear war.

56:19 How far can this go before it just self implodes right? It's so self-destructs There's constantly people talking about you know the collapse is coming, and you know we're getting closer Greg Greg it's not coming. It's here. Yeah collapsing now I'm telling you that because of Fukushima the Pacific Ocean is dying now because of the insane financial policies in United States Federal Reserve Bank The global economic order is collapsing now and it's causing tremendous hardship. Half of humanity lives on two or three dollars a day, half of the human beings on this planet live on two to three dollars a day! Now you tell me how that doesn't represent global financial collapse? We're talking desperate suffering now by half of the human race

57:11 and the other half are looking over their shoulder, wondering is that going to be me tomorrow or next week or next month? And the answer is maybe. the way things are going could be. Things are definitely bad and I mean based on these old stories of other species interacting with humanity, this seems like the prime time because they generally come around near a giant global collapse when they try to pick us back up off our destructive tendencies All I can tell you is that the so-called, with a heavy emphasis on so called ruling elite on this planet. They are psychopaths! They are demons in human form

57:53 They're incompetent, they're ignorant and also extremely arrogant and violent. It's the worst of all possible combinations. Enormously ignorant, enormously arrogant, enormously violent and incompetent beyond words to describe it is just a tremendously dangerous combination That's our situation. I totally agree with you there and i know we've run a little long, but I wanted to ask you about one other thing something that you had written about on your blog You had mentioned that you have been shown a timeline of ET disclosure that runs all the way up to like 2070 if im not mistaken Yes, I can tell you...I was shown a timeline in the 21st century this is some years ago

58:42 with a special emphasis on extraterrestrials and their interaction with this planet, and our interaction with them. Now understand extraterrestrials Are there now? They're here now. There are other planets with civilizations on them and there have been for millions and billions of years What I'm talking about is the opening of global mass society to these realities The reality already exists what doesn't exist is a mass awareness on the part of global humanity over the reality for whatever reason we have been put in a

59:22 total state of ignorance and amnesiac forgetfulness, and kind of sealed off from the rest of the galaxy. I don't know why but we have been for thousands of years! And what was shown is that as this century progresses that is going to change exactly how it's going to change and who is going to do it, and what their motivation is. I can't speak for that! There are many players and actors both on the part of extraterrestrials there are myriad extraterrestrial civilizations in factions with many different motivations and agendas just as on this planet itself there are many different power factions with different motivations and agendas

1:00:05 So however that power faction aspect of it works out, I don't know. But what was shown is that generally between now and about 2020-2025... For all I know it could happen this year but over the next 10 or 15 years there'll be more and more of awareness life on other planets and other civilizations such that it won't be viewed as strange anymore. It'll be more and more viewed as, oh yeah you know everybody knows there are other planets in this life on other planets and hey! You know what? There's ET civilizations on other planets That will be the first step and we're part of the way there already I mean they're more people with that kind of knowledge now but it will get to a point where

1:00:54 Universal where 90% or 95 percent or more of the average human being in you know, Botswana or Or Paraguay or whatever will say. Oh yeah, you know I heard about that You know that's true um it's true. I heard something about that last year that there are people on other planets and It's weird man with ya evidently this case That'll be the stage okay? Yeah So just to just about everyone will reach that point And then beyond that, as we move deeper into the century say by mid-century or before there will actually be open contact with these civilizations such that civilizations want more. Such it would be something like an exchange of ambassadors or guests I don't have a precise word to describe what i'm trying

1:01:52 to convey to you, but that there will be one or more of Earth humans going there. One or more of them coming here, but it'll be done openly. I'm pretty sure that's happening... Well not on a mass societal basis! There'll be representatives small numbers of representatives. It'll be more like diplomatic exchange or very limited cultural exchange, or scientific exchange, or anthropological exchange, whatever word you want to give it but there won't be space liners carrying 300 thousand people from Earth to there and vice versa not talking about that But it will be to the point where people say oh yeah I heard about that and we sent a representative over there

1:02:38 Crazy man, that's 300 light years from there. But yeah we sent a representative there and it may even be like on network television or the internet or whatever and That'll happen very publicly and openly I believe that that's happening secretly It has been for decades but it will be open to the public And then by such it most everyone will be aware of it and then in that'l have a tremendous effect culturally and socially, spiritually in every respect. And then later in the century after mid-century rough of the period 2060 to 2075 thereabouts there will be something like commercial exchange trade relations

1:03:28 established, but understand I don't think there'll be like freighters full of petroleum going to Alpha Centauri or you know or 600 million tons of gold ore and things like that. I believe the trade would involve things like art probably art or... Flora and fauna maybe? Genetic protoplasm DNA things like that or certain isotopes on Earth, minerals maybe mineral samples beautiful examples of gems and things like that are unique to Earth. You know every planet is different

1:04:13 But what would be important to another race, another species of life and other civilization on you know another arm of the Milky Way galaxy? I don't know. You see they're alien! They're different so...I couldn't say. And vice versa what if theirs would appeal to us in a great cache or importance So i think there would be there will be a tremendous leavening effect here that it'll cause tremendous ferment and growth in human society, in human mentality.

1:04:52 And so in general, the trajectory will be in that direction as the century unfolds. Now for us to realize that we have to survive as a species and if we don't get nuclear technology number one under control, we are done for because it will take us down We can't handle Fukushima now. And what happens, Chernobyl was bad enough and now we have Fukushima What happens when we have Chernobyl, Fukushima and another one? And another one...and another one You see if that keeps happening, we're done! In fact if we don't resolve Fukushima, we still may be done So in order for this reality to unfold, we humanity must have

1:05:38 a global racial awakening and we have to utterly completely reject nuclear technology at the least because we can't handle it. Yeah, that is fascinating info and I hope that we live to see that day Can you tell what the source was for that timeline? Me, my consciousness. Oh it came to you like it was revealed to you in visionary form? Ah like a psychedelic type of... No not psychedelic as in a direct visionary transmission of information Interesting. In other words, my own consciousness, my hyperdimensional aspects of my own being and I'm not presenting to you or pretending to you that I alone uniquely am able to do this from having telepathic visionary downloads of information lots of people are. Oh yeah!

1:06:30 And it's a unique capacity of human beings, this integration of the DNA and the consciousness in their physical realm. We have these multidimensional hyperdimensional aspects any individual can access this if he or she wants to most people do not want to Yeah, yeah we've been down that road before and that's an interesting topic as well but I know i've taken up a little bit of your time more than you had expected so that pretty much does it for us Richard. It has been a fascinating conversation! I always love hearing about what is going on at these secret locations its just so hard to know whats the real deal and I wish I could better understand the ET-Human partnership which seems like a big factor in this but I really appreciate all your work would you like to tell folks about what you are working on next or your website before I cut ya loose?

1:07:20 Well, my website is eventhorizonchronicle.blogspot.com and I believe you have a link up to that? Yes And I've been doing some work with Bitcoin recently Me too Not just because, well I can exchange some links with you later if you don't mind. But not just because it represents a way to generate some income which it does and has earned me little money but because they think that the cryptocurrency technology is not just Bitcoin but there are many others as Litecoin, Dogecoin and there's just a whole feather coin. There's a bunch of them coming out. Ethereum is a new one

1:08:07 that the whole suite of cryptocurrencies may be beyond central bank control. Yeah! And I believe potentially, nothing is for sure unless and until it is self-realized actually realized but potentially this cryptocurrency technology represents a means of economic liberation if not for all humanity at least for a lot of humanity and as I mentioned earlier We have at least half of the human race that is just suffering in tremendous financial poverty. And my vision is that the cryptocurrencies, with the development of mobile phone technology and some other technologies can penetrate these desperately poverty stricken communities all over the world.

1:08:57 And uplift them. partake in a economic structure that's beyond that. And I think it is the most... Potentially, potentially It is potentially the only thing I see that could get us beyond control of the banksters so I get really upset when people being super cynical about it because if you're going to be cynical about Bitcoin then give me some other option cause this is the best source for potential freedom

1:09:33 Listen, if they're so cynical about Bitcoin why do they have a bank account? Why are they carrying around the wallet or purse with folding paper money. Why do they have a credit card because if you want to be cynical about economics and finance then why would you even be associated with this? Corrupt banking structure we have now amen man. Hey, well thanks again It's been a great show I've had a great time talking to you and making your acquaintance keep doing what you do man Hopefully we can have you back in the future Thank You appreciate Greg best of best best of everything to you alrighty take care Richard

1:10:10 Richard Sauter, ladies and gentlemen. I thought i'd just do it old school and go right into the interview Every show doesn't need five minutes of grease in the wheels So thanks for listening share the show where you can friend me on facebook donate to The Money Bomb buy a conspiracy And keep on keeping on! I'm Greg Carlwood Your move ant people. I got a cocktail called grab in my sleeve Down comes an unsticks but then he kicks like a horse

1:11:02 There's a tiny cigarette cake, the rest you can keep And the rest you can keep and the rest you can keep There's a hole which of late I cannot pull There's a honey bun which of late I cannot push forward One day since we're drinking to this seldom sinking

1:12:03 There's this whispering of jokers doing flashbacks to a chorus of supposes from the little town hoss that we twist in karaoke at the Aniseed lounge and I bring you feather roses but it does, she gives me no good and it goes your mother's a whore

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