THC 75: Robert Sullivan | The Secrets of Masonic Ritual, Philosophy, & Symbolism

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! These are the higher side chats. Welcome to the show people, drinking a little drink smoking a little smoke from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and today we're going to take a detailed look into Freemasonry by author and bona fide 32nd degree mason Robert Sullivan

00:45 We're going to talk about Masonic history, the major areas of Masonic influence and hopefully we can get a little taste of that occult knowledge they so carefully preserve. But with me once again is my good friend and occasional co-host and author of the THC column Conversations With The Other Kyle Prunneville. Kyle, man how are you? I'm doing great Greg! I'm excited to talk about Freemasonry You know what are the topics that we bring up is philosophy and i was a philosophy major very interested in ideas probably way more passionate now than it wasn't college about. Ideas and mystery and limitations will actually no so this is prep to be great episode

01:25 Absolutely man. It's you know, it's been a wild week I was on Rob Daverns weird shit radio that was cool We're down to one episode left on Breaking Bad and I think something interesting happened in sports I'm not really sure but also this week we had that Navy Yard shooting which we should talk about Sometimes the shooting is just what it is But there were some weird elements to this one. I don't know if you looked into it much at all I really did not look into it too much. I knew it had to do with some of the same keywords that you see in previous events and played along similar themes of firearms and laws about firearms, and you can have them or you can't have them. I mostly get my information through Facebook posts so people were all about firearms that day

02:15 Yeah, man. Well apparently six weeks before the shooting he went to the police and said that he believed people were following him and sending vibrations into his body That's like a direct quote from his police report He told police that he had to move hotels twice To avoid the noise he heard coming through the floor in the ceiling of his rooms And he thought the people following them were using some sort of microwave machine to prevent them from sleeping I mean those things are Pretty creepy and consistent with other reports of manipulation of these lone gunman types. Yeah, I've heard reports that can't quite source them accurately but I've heard of these type of microwave machines or yeah sending consistent persistent energetic discomfort targeting somebody

03:06 Well, where it gets real creepy is you then have to ask well what's the point of this? Is this just another mass trauma event. Just some gunman goes out there and kills a bunch of people and we all get scared If that's the case usually those things take place in public not on a private military base And there is this thread in the conspiracy community now that's suggesting that the targets killed in the shooting were military police who are actually organizing an arrest of Obama for treason if he had gone to war with Syria or they also apparently uncovered that they were investigating a plan B scenario for nuclear detonation in Washington, D.C., while the president was away on vacation

03:46 Pretty wild speculation, wild stuff. But there has been a thread for awhile that we've both seen where there were apparently going to be military arrests of government officials coming in early October Yeah, you hear this from certain sources you may read in the conspiracy. Mainly just different forums and bloggers and... You hear a lot about kind of like resistance movement, a patriot movement, white hats all kinds of collaborations with people

04:23 You gotta believe again you're putting the out of the authority outside yourself saying like linden our said that you need somebody to come save u but i guess we need the white hats to save us there supposedly the good guys underneath the dark veil. And they're not gonna let the banks control us forever and they're gonna rest obama and interesting article i saw in just a weird kinda sideline thing is that truckers are planning a strike, October 11th through the 13th in Washington truckers say i found this link that they're gonna shut down washington. And my mind just instantly jumps to like the greek mythological trojan horse story and that these truckers are going to be full with a secret military personnel is gonna bust out, take down all these corrupt politicians

05:14 get money out of politics. Wow, wouldn't that be something? That would be this... you're talking about Breaking Bad and you want to see a Breaking Bad season finale I'm going to talk about real life truckers turn out to be military personnel and they're gonna arrest everybody on site for treason it would be nice but again i think it is one of those things where there's always some saving grace coming and it never really does but it was interesting that this shooting happened It kind of coincided, you know just a few weeks before this was apparently to take place and it goes back into this idea like is there really a good versus evil covert battle going on beneath the scenes that we never see? Kind of seems far-fetched but

06:01 i think it's just mainly bad and they're just mainly uh... people in power that have shitty edge she ideas for us and they get to really do whatever they want and i don't think they face a whole lot of resistance it ties into this worry about secret groups and about there's all the stuff because on the surface yeah there is the tv version that so we see all these politicians represent real countries et cetera et cetera but as we know the NSA and CIA and the Navy, all these groups are separate. The Freemasons are separate they're all interlinked but they're separate like there's different agendas going on so you can get really caught up in sidelined by who is the good guys who is the bad guys? Who is controlling us? Who is trying to liberate us? And it's really confusing to try to say who is who

06:57 Well said. I mean, let's bring this into today's main topic before we bring Rob in which is the Freemasons man you know? We were talking about doing this show and you were telling me how your opinion on Freemason has sort of evolved from when we were a bit younger and i thought it seemed like good thing to save for on the air so let's get into it How has your opinion of the Masons changed I think initially, um i was interested in this vein of thinking similar to that famous JFK speech when i saw that online. That was really interesting to me where he basically is saying there are secret groups there are controlling interests you don't see these people yet these people are steering what's going on and then you know what happened to him and so

07:45 I thought the free masons were just a pinnacle i thought in order to be ruling elite you had to go through the freemasons like that's the ladder. To become an illuminati or something like that very rudimentary understanding of all this, i didn't understand it was a mystery so my imagination filled in the blanks and they said you know what this is the most secret organization these are the guys there the ones really running everything And now it's shifted quite a bit and I feel like anybody who is really that invested in symbolism the way that they are, are trying to encode very complicated ideas and very complicated... They're like real researchers of mystery. And so I just draw distinction between real researchers of mystery and trying to codify that into symbols

08:38 And kind of like more on the surface more egoic kind of individuals who are still trying to engage in power dramas and they're trying to be the most powerful that's to me is a little bit different than. somebody who's really trying to ponder mystery and transcendental truth like maybe the Masons are doing. So now I kind of incorporate them with mysticism and symbolism more so than with strict control over the whole financial everything Yeah, I'm kinda going that way too but it is murky because you see these same symbols in corporate logos And that is the power grid

09:21 most of them having some type of esoteric symbol in their logos. So it's like, it's used on both sides which makes it even harder to distinguish who is who and who is doing what." Again you get this thing the symbols are being hidden okay are they hidden so that they can awaken us at a future date or are they hidden so that they can control us without our conscious awareness? And that's the classic dilemma with any form of technology. You can look at symbolism like any other form of technology, it's how you intend to use it, it can be used for good or bad and a lot people get caught up in this more literalist thing saying the Freemasons are evil or symbolism is evil whoever using this corporate symbolism they must be trying to exploit us where I open it up to the possibility if you don't really know why they're using it

10:13 And you don't even really know what the symbol means and the whole thing about symbolism is it's open for interpretation. That's a lot different than a very literalist view that we have of politics, religion and everything you just think this all really factual and really true and it's not so much open for interpretation Yeah, it's weird. You see the geometry and the architecture and the symbolism in Washington? And maybe these symbols and astrological alignments do produce some type of effect to contribute in some way to the success of the mission I mean, I guess that's the story which back then was just to make

10:53 the American idea successful, so they might have used those little occult tricks to help it along. Which isn't necessarily bad but it depends on your view of America like some people think there was once this noble goal of freedom and peace and prosperity where they tried to escape the Rothschild banks in that control which was then co-opted from within over the years now we have the monster you see today but other people think that it was just another faction of elites who wanted power for themselves also didn't give a fuck about the regular people, so that doesn't make it much different. But they did incorporate this symbolism and I wonder if it like really does have some type of value? Some type of energetic effect or if it's just like for the sake of tradition because if its tradition It just seems super silly. There is uh

11:44 Like tradition you can think of in terms of like as ritual as it's just something we just keep doing and there is a very rich will last aspect about. masonry and building and the construction of buildings, how they lay it out. And also from the show like Ancient Aliens they talk about this quite a bit how some ancient sites are actually aligned pretty insanely accurately with really insane geometric symbolism encoded You know beyond what's on the surface this is what i'm talking about symbols are beyond what's on the surface this isn't service politics you have to really delve into it and figure out what is being said here. And then you learn that something on the ground has all the same connotation with constellations and things in the sky so they're always like ritualizing the sun symbolism and stars, bring it down as above so below

12:44 Yeah, well the Freemasons were at odds with the Vatican which is a good PR move as far as I'm concerned. You know? It's...I don't really know where they line today but yeah- I know the Vatican is full of bad people but I just wanna also mention i'm reading a book called occult america and it's about mysticism and symbolism and the origins of kinda like these new sorts of religion and then what pave the way for what became new age philosophy. And interesting thing is that their take on how in this book by mitch horowitz he says that,

13:24 They came to what was then called America and started saying you could. Get in direct contact with God. You could do it yourself, this is mysticism you don't need to go through a cleric do it yourself and here's the techniques." And meanwhile all the clerics were saying this is heresy! This is bullshit and they were taking him to court and the judge would say... ...this is the new world The church doesn't own everyone anymore This isn't Europe So its actually okay if this crazy Joseph Smith goes around starts preaching the Book of Mormon Which incurs all this thing about, well what if a preacher or prophet is really captivating yet he's a total fraud and what he's saying is false and just a complete lie.

14:10 And it says, well essentially in America that's not for the courts to decide. That's not for anybody to decide because they had the forethought to create this freedom of religion and what it really means is freedom of new philosophical outlooks that really... I mean if you trace it back a little bit further individuals could You didn't own a Bible because you had to go through the church to learn what the Bible said. And now we're at a point in America's foundation where they're saying, you can reach God yourself here are some techniques, here is meditation techniques and different kinds of power of thought affirmative thought good intentions hypnotic trance type stuff very similar stuff to neuro linguistic programming just it was just like the very prototype of all these thoughts

15:04 And that was like a breeding ground in America, it was all this occultism. And this history has just been totally lost or not talked about at all. Well yeah I mean where did it go? It...I guess it all went underground! I guess that's the thing, it all went to groups like the Freemasons some underground secret thing because if you were going around preaching the stuff on the surface I guess it became at a certain time became dangerous to do that. I think we're always afraid of the unknown And it's interesting to imagine a time in America where occultism was more on the surface and people were talking about having transcendental trances and commuting with God themselves. You don't really hear about that so much anymore, I mean you think those people are like crazy or totally lost it

15:53 Exactly. We've moved back more into this European mindset, a hierarchical mindset that says you got to go through the high priest in order to be an accredited... In any profession you gotta go through the academic high priests if you want to meet God you have to go through the religious high priests and we're back through this You're just a peon, you're just nobody, you have no power, you gotta go through the experts Same old game it's always been And for a while in America's foundation, like they had really overcome that. It seems like they were carving out new terrain and then I don't know it just maybe got too scary or too weird or we were in such a weird state of mind that we were just... Like Leninauer said again, I love that guy! I loved that episode. He says when you have trauma you externalize your power. You're looking for a savior to come along so

16:51 I think maybe the early settlers or something like that, the myth at least is that they were really self-sufficient. They were really strong in conviction and their own beliefs and had community and somewhere along the lines they just gave all of it up in order for authority and then here you have Obama and these people pretending that they're bombing Syria for our best interest. Yeah we've come a long way Well man, it is about that time we bring in Rob Sullivan. Author of The Royal Arch of Enoch the impact of Masonic ritual philosophy and symbolism and the 32nd degree mason himself So we're gonna play The Conspiratees ad for my special brand conspiracy shirts And I will say I could really use a couple new orders this week i'm trying to roll out A couple new designs but It's a very expensive process if you like THC check out the shirts You won't be disappointed and Kyle and I will be back on the other side ready to go deep

19:25 with a structure that pulls a bait and switch on God for satanic worship at the highest levels, coercing its members into orgiastic blood sacrifice in the name of ultimate power and control. Well, wherever your opinions lie my good friend Kyle and I are here with Robert Sullivan researcher and author of the Royal Arch of Enoch The Impact in Masonic Ritual Philosophy & Symbolism. And he's going to give us his take on the whole thing! Rob has also worked his way to a respectable 32nd degree mason just waiting on the invite for The Big 33. Rob welcome to the show man! Oh hey Craig and hello Kyle it is wonderful to be here with you on Higher Side Chats and it's wonderful to be here with you today

20:04 uh... it's a pleasure to have you man i mean your very detailed in your knowledge of freemasons and the history the philosophy the culture as i just said in the intro there is alot controversy with the masons, alot of passionate opinions so if you could would you mind starting us off a bit with the history of the masons and their influence? sure um yeah you are correct. You will encounter all sides all angles on this material on some people you know you know uh... i'm i am one of course almost any blue lodge freemason since nineteen ninety seven and of course i joined the scottish right became a thirty second degree in nineteen ninety-nine but your correct you know your unit you'll hear you know all kind of you know information on this or on this group um... the history of the free masons uh... the actual formation uh... and and and and you know i'm going to try to just give you a concise history now in a brief amount of time before we got

20:57 I'm going to be skimming over a lot of material, so I want your audience to be aware. Freemasonry comes together as it is today, as a modern fraternal order secret society on June 24th 1717 where you have these four lodges in England that combine and ultimately create this Grand Lodge of England. And interestingly you were talking about the keepers of occult knowledge and Gnosticism I mean that date does have importance on this is of course a clear reference to the summer solstice when the sun is at its penultimate peak in the sky in the northern hemisphere. This would be, you know, Hebrew Kabbalah where Apollo was driving his Sun Chariot across the sky and it's ultimate strength

21:46 uh... you know of course i don't think the royal arch and of course the sun is the most important symbol in freemasonry um... you know just all brought up a topic at the worshipful master who's the guy around from the sonic lodge he fits in the east uh... representing the rising rising sign which brings white wisdom knowledge to the world as it were, but the group forms in 1717 and that's really your modern day birth of what you would call Freemasonry as it exists today. Now some will tell you and this gets into who you want to believe and who you want to listen too that Freemasonry of course predates this Shortly after its formation, a Presbyterian minister named Dr. James Anderson writes this thing called the Legendary Constitutions of Freemasonry. The full title is The Constitutions, plural, of Freemasonry or of the Freemasons. I've seen it both ways.

22:40 He documents his legendary history of the Masons and I stress that word, legendary. He gets into these guys who were temple builders from the Bible building things like the Tower of Babel but Adam's fig leaf in the garden was really on the sonic apron um... things like you know you know this unit that the medieval you know germanic teutonic european cathedral builders possessed these you know occult secrets of sacred geometry uh... things of that nature uh... and and and you know it is constitutions i'm really so you know it also contains a bylaws actually act

23:21 you know in some cases some versions of it actually contain songs about the mason i mean that that's really dot the basic bylaw of freemasonry this gets sort of turned on its head uh... and see him in seventeen thirty seven when an englishman named andrew michael ramsay who is living in france at the time he's one of the co-founders of the royal society he's a roman catholic please also universal but universal list And just, if you don't know what that is or if you... Basically it's a religious belief where universalism is that at the end of the day and eventually all evil will be redeemed by God and even Satan himself. In a nutshell, all the devils and Satan in hell and all the bad people will ultimately be granted entrance into heaven because God is just sick of their suffering. It's called universalism

24:13 He also serves as the tutor of a guy by the name of James. uh... with his name um... charles edward stork who is a body prince charlie but anyway ramsay writes this oration in seventeen thirty seven to the freemasonic lodges any says essentially he said yeah i think that i kind of don't really uh... disagree with what anderson is saying there about you know free masons having these arm secrets of stone working a cathedral building up sacred architecture six units acre geometry of secret symbolism if i really don't disagree with that so much he did but that's really not the true history of freemasonry into the true history of free masonry lies in this group of warrior roman catholic medieval monks called the night pampler and every masonry is

25:07 pure roman catholicism and he says that when the when the when the templars uh... were in the holy land crusading that they encountered these sort of vestiges of these ancient mystery schools this would of course been the ancient mysteries of things like osiris isis these leftover mystery schools from the mediterranean a thing to look into the mysteries of elusive um... where you have you know the adoration of the meter minerva uh... you have element of patagoras being incorporated into this on philosophies related to the war astronomy ism of mythraeism and essentially while the night were over there they brought baby midwife these secrets back from europe um... and and units that part of his mystery tradition was this peace capitalistic numerol numeral logical secret but these medieval stone masons

25:58 using and incorporating into the creation of these medieval, you know, Gothic cathedrals and so on. And out of Ramsey's oration is what is born what is called the Rite of Perfection, and this comes out in the 1740-1750s. This Rite of Perfection is these additional 25 degrees which I say in my book And we're getting into controversial subject matter here, but I don't mind it. We don't either! Yeah no, it's clear that these 25 degrees are being developed by this group known as the Society of Jesus better known to the world is the Jesuits as part of a counter-reformation in an effort

26:42 to restore, to basically thwart the Protestant Masonic Lodges which were basically deism. If you're not aware of that there is no religious requirement to join a Masonic lodge You could be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist The only requirement is that you believe in what's called a Supreme Being A God-like entity. You will hear the term Great Architect universe thrown around on that's what he's been a referred to in masonry but um... these twenty five degrees on this right of perfection is clearly being developed it sort of the counter-reformation trick by the jesuits to sort of war uh... you know freemasonry sort of you know freemasons secretly back to be on pope and rome the twenty five degrees are ultimately uh... midwife

27:33 through Haiti by a man named Etienne Morin and these 25 degrees are set up in a Rite of Perfection lodge in Albany, New York. These are ultimately what become the York Rite of Freemasonry and the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry. What my book documents is this major historical anomaly going on because it's one of these degrees namely the 13th uh... which is entitled the royal arch which is incorporating elements of the bookie knock on which is this lost apocryphal jewish text which is essentially off the history pages from to cd were too eighty to around the early seventeen on seventies when a young man named james bruce returns with copies from ethiopia up until then they were lost to western civilization and the copies

28:23 I deposited in the basement of a Bodleian library at Oxford University and arenít even translated into English until 1821 yet in the 1740s, 1750s clearly someone had access to a copy of this book and I believe this book is some sort of long lost book floating around some secret library that was being, certain elements and components of this book are clearly being incorporated into this higher degree. And that's really the crux of what The Royal Archiveenot presents. Man! That's a pretty good summary of the history...

28:59 Well, you know yourself a 32nd degree Mason which I understand is the highest order one can work towards and after that you have to be chosen from the top. Is that right? Well there are two when you get into what we'll do this ties into your first question What you have to do is, you have to join what's called the Blue Lodge. The Blue Lodge of Freemasonry is degrees one two and three this is what it's called. Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft and Master Mason once a person becomes a Master Mason degree there are really two premier higher degree bodies they can go into or they could go into both. There's no prohibition against joining either of them

29:39 but up i'll tell you why the scottish right a little more popular than the york right now minute he could do with cody york right or the scottish right i chose to scottish right uh... and your correctly the this kind of fright degrees four three thirty two andy thirtieth third degree is honorary cannot be solicited solicited it you have to be invited um... by the uh... in a mother supreme council too to join the thirty-third degree the york right so and this isn't meant to be negative or anything like that so it's coming off that way that not my intention a reason the scottish right is probably a little bit more popular than the york righted new york right degrees on the mid-december again coming out of these twenty five degrees that were set up in albany new york by a freemason named henry franklin uh... but the two men who are behind um... do you work right of free masonry armed with a masonic ritualist name thomas smith web

30:34 uh... which no one who'd you know no one's ever heard of before and another person who know whenever has heard it before but maybe some have a man by the name of the whit clinton on that the way clinton is a very important person in american history he was a mayor of new york city any former governor of um... new york state and if those two men were really cultivating in developing the york right do you work right uh... you know ritual the of the medieval Knights Templars, you know the white tunics with a red cross of St. George... The only difference and this is what separates the ceremonial from all others in Freemasonry is that to join the Knights Templar you have to pledge your allegiance to Jesus Christ

31:37 You know, if you are Jewish or Buddhist or a deist like me and you're not a Christian, the Knights Templar isn't for you. And that is really the only Masonic ceremonial where you actually have to have a religious confession in order to join it. But in a nutshell yeah I'm a 32nd, I became a 32nd let's see here this would've been 1999...yeah and uh the 33rd purely honorary and you have to be invited to join it. It's usually given to people who are, do a lot of charity work political people outstanding members in the community as it were is how you earn an invite to join the 33rd. That is a fascinating aspect to it creates another level of mystery and I get a lot of emails once in awhile that say

32:26 Hey man, don't pick on the Masons. Everything bad you hear is garbage My uncle's a Mason It's just a social club for drinking and yada-yada And they seem so damn convinced But to play devil's advocate for the other side and ask isn't it possible that the first 32 degrees are sort of social Club or community of do-gooders and philanthropists and then the power-hungry corrupt elite are at the top, and they only bring up the people that I know would play ball. It's kind of like a giant PR campaign. Kinda like what the Vatican does with your typical Catholics who are good people but then their raping kids in the back of the church

33:02 but i don't i don't i don't really what what i would like my take on it would be a little bit more different than that is i wanted to say so much that you know it's more of a you know where did the thirty-third is um... you know if you know your your brought in or anything like that work for four i would stated where i would pay the information is getting lost is and this is what you know i think when i wrote the book about and into it could be stopped which are contained in that basically what what freemasonry both in the blue lodge in the higher degrees are trying to relate if this is a sort of lost wisdom you know what you will call the ancient mystery tradition noticism the reawakening of the divine spark uh... and and disinformation and you know the symbolism of a large book the blue lodge in the higher degrees unit that this is what it was lost one unit what ninety nine point nine percent of the mason doubt there and that there's a reason why and the reason is because he

33:59 when you join the lodge like i did in nineteen ninety seven and if you're going to go through the ritual let me just forget behind degrees from it you can't go through that could apprentice ritual you gonna go to the fellow correct which one you can go to the master mason ritual he's gonna come out of a like i didn't think you know no more so what i mean what's the big deal here is being lost is This is what only 1% or 2% of your masons do and I did it. You have to sit down and start reading the people like the Manly Palmer Halls of the world, like the Albert Pikes of the world, like the Albert Mackeys who explain what you would want to call the esoteric

34:37 or even a cult symbolism of what you just went through because they don't even some i mean most masons don't even understand this uh... and you know you get into these concepts you know going back to not the traditions of what you'd call the dying in resurrected sun man that's be attempting arm to awaken the divine sparking the person uh... concepts of you know personal enlightenment you know we we tie in elements up fagorous on you-know-what you call astrology or your what would be more aptly to call astro theology um... you know these elements are all there but unless you sit down you know when you come home from work for five hours a night you don't turn off the t.v. you would sit there and read you know the albert pikes the manley palmer hall of the world you're not you're not going understand this material

35:25 I put it in the Royal Archive of Enoch's book. I've got a whole chapter on it trying to explain this lost mystery tradition that is going on in the Lodge, which most Masons aren't aware of because it's just really what you would want to call just a sad fact of reality. Who has time for this stuff? stuff and we all have in a nine to five jobs you know wife and kid when he's got time to read this material but i mean it's that the materials out there and i talk about in the royal arch and that that's what that's what was lost in freemasonry however i can tell you that there is a massive esoteric revival going on right now where this knowledge partly due to things like the internet the national treasure material into dan brown material with this is now becoming much newin

36:09 hopefully my book, is becoming much more cognizant on people. Robert I have a question one of the most interesting things i find about Freemasonry is that they incorporate these elements of ritual, ceremony and rites of passage and for a lot of reasons I think those are really interesting and really interesting in maturation and growth and initiating people into More responsibility and more direct contact with the universe that they are a participant with. And do you feel like, those three that I mentioned ritual ceremony and rites of passage are kind of lost in our society? Do you think our society is not very good at providing those for people

36:59 i think that army i can't i'd i don't mean you know i get that we're personal issue on the i think it would be more sonic large i think they try and they try to do this but if like i said it's just a material you know i mean your definitely right amin you note that the concept of you-know-who the rite of passage and uh... you know the ritual you are initiated um... unit room through three degrees in blue lodge masonry on what these rituals are trying to to do

37:43 uh... you know what well if you're going to rituals that contain a lot of allegories and symbolisms and the these symbolisms and allegory you know are will be a kind lost within the blue lodge just because you know i'm thinking do you have to sit down every beat books by these masonic masters people like albert mackey in albert pike um... you know mainly palmer halls another one comes from my who go you-know-who you know when i talk about it also in the royal archer bina who explain what these rituals are trying to convey to you display the symbolisms of a third degree ritual that these are tried in this gets into concepts of which would want to call the dying and resurrected sun man where do it with him igniting your divine sparking u uh... you know in in in until recently this was kind of lost within the lodge however with the advent of the internet in the late nineties things like dan brown

38:36 national treasure movies and hopefully my book you know that this knowledge is now being restored you know in in the blue lodge and in a higher degree Yeah, I think people just sometimes get a little freaked out when they see like a map of Washington DC. When you connect the landmarks it makes up pentagram or the compass symbol or whatever it seems to be right It's a bit creepy and if a group had so much power as to influence the structuring of the layout of the nation's capital You know what else are they orchestrating? And I think that's what people start to wonder about well i mean i didn't die of a whole chapter on the masonic in a called architecture of the federal district that come straight out of when you get into these concepts of alignment uh... you know if he's aligned with the new symbols that comes straight out of the world of a character named hermes trismegistus and you have to do your masonic lore here

39:25 Hermes in Freemasonry, it's a real long story. I'm going to really try to condense this as fast as possible but in the Royal Arch Degree you have to know what is going on with Blue Lodge Ritual. I am going to do my best to condense this but in a nutshell in Blue Lodge Masonry in the third degree you have something that has lost its called the Tetragrammaton and it's the name of God uh... and it's through this name that all learning is made possible in a real brief nutshell this word is recovered in the royal archer v not degree and if they don't eat it into the internet it occurs in the secret underground fault misfortune has already been breached by two characters um... one named her mistress magistrate in the other day to figures they pronounce his name correctly and they restore the literary pillar

40:14 Hermes restores the literary pillar, which all liberal arts and sciences come from. Pythagoras correctly pronounces it and restores mathematics. The two pillars were inscribed by Enoch and contain information that he received from his visitation in the heavens where he was taken by God in corporeal form exposed to all this occult forbidden knowledge. He inscribes it on these two pillars and these two characters, Hermes and Pythagoras restore the knowledge. Hermes runs around with this thing called the Emerald Tablet and on it is the hermetic maxim called ìAs above so belowî which means that if youíre going to build buildings of importance, you want to align them to their astral alignment

40:56 it's not negative is it what it what he's trying to convey you're drawing the the the the you know that the power of the heavens were god is with the stars are down to earth this is carried forward by two renaissance masters the first one is a guy by the name of raymond loli who writes several treatises, he's a Christian mystic and says that basically the same sort of thing. That buildings of importance should be these astrological occult memory temples that are trying to preserve this astral wisdom and another person who kind of talks about this is Dominican friar named Giordano Bruno who talks about the buildings of import or memory temples trying to preserve those lost sacred wisdom but yeah I mean you get into the federal district

41:42 I mean you have so much going on there. uh... the deep deep decoping with a broken pentagram over the white house and you got the obelisk um which is the capital of any kind of are you got to go to washington monument and then you've got the dome on the capitol on the dome the obelisk in the pentagram form the paragraph hieroglyph for the egyptian dog or yet pretty gypsy dogs far serious who's of course in the egyptian mysteries isis this type into blue lodge remasonry where when they keep that we were talking about the this character here in the business building uh... solomon's temple he possesses his lost word with a secret word which is the name of god he killed the word is lost um... and when when him up his body resurrected on the person has performed what's called the five points of fellowship the five point or course a pentagram that is a reference to the egyptian dog star serious or prices

42:43 why do why is that well if you know your gypsy mythology he jip e dot ice-ish uh... was a um... virgin goddess who put also possessed the secret name of god on the secret name upon raya rock which she used to resurrect those fires her solar brother husband so she could produce chorus and of course this gets into concepts of blue lodge masonry where the candidate is resurrected as a sires as here in the past and you know the five points are an esoteric reference to this egyptian dog star serious you also have in the federal district

43:19 You have the White House forming this Pythagorean right triangle, which is formed from the White House or the Executive Mansion. The White House is a duplication of a Masonic Lodge in Dublin Ireland. The Masonic architect behind the White House was a man named James Hoban and he's a Freemason The Washington Monument obelisk was a product of another Freemason named Robert Mills and then, of course the United States Capitol building was a product of another Freemason named Benjamin Henry Latrobe. These form if you go from the White House down to the monument then up the mall to the

43:59 to the Capitol building and then down Pennsylvania Avenue, you of course have a Pythagorean right triangle. Well, Pythagorean right triangle is also known as the 47 proposition of Euclid and this is the symbol of Masonic rulership. I mean the worshipful master who sits in the east with the rising sun wears a patagorian by triangle around his neck when you get into the concept of a patagorian right triangle you also know that there is an esoteric symbology going on with this but one side uh... in the ancient mysteries of up at agar and i try to go to one side is or are the ones i did some sires the one-sided the other side is um... osiris and then of course the hypotenuse uh... which is formed between the two with their solar divine child known as horace well in the federal district

44:47 The hypotenuse is, of course, Pennsylvania Avenue. Well, Pennsylvania Avenue is named after the state of Pennsylvania and what's Pennsylvania? What's the Keystone State? I mean what's a keystone? Well, a keystone creates a royal arch and without a keystone, a royal archway can't stand. And there is an entire cult history in the Royal Archiveenoc book as to why Pennsylvania is known as the Keystone. And that comes straight out of a royal archery masonry. I really was liking, you were talking about these mythologies of Sirius and Osiris and Horus, and how not only the stories—and the stories really represent solar deities here we're talking about the sun and

45:36 but how the stories as well as these symbols have been the exact same symbols since at least Egypt. And so, the Egyptian mystery schools really... it just kind of changed a lot over time but we're still using the same symbols do you find it interesting that we're still trying to understand these symbols that have been around for so long in human history? Yeah, I think...I know where you're going with this question and the best way from...and I agree with you. You know, it depends on who you want to talk to. They are definitely there in the Egyptian mystery schools. You'll find them also in Druidism, you will find them in the mysteries of Mithras,

46:22 Oh, what's the other one? The Mysteries of Eleusis which was the Greco-Roman sort of mystery school where it's the whole thing about dying and resurrected sun god. This is in Blue Lodge Masonry with a candidate who is symbolically killed and brought back to life. is almost what you would call a product of what, like Carl Jung would call the collective unconscious. Where it's just part of our being. It's just embedded in us as a whole. The whole thing with the sun being the light of the world and your lunar symbology which incorporates all over the place as your sacred feminine. And the 12 houses of the zodiac serve as these sort of Jungian archetypes

47:07 uh... you know you know in society um and you know yeah i mean i mean i think i think that the reason that it's still with a good it's just part of our human nature which is part of what you know young best described as the collective unconscious of mankind but whether we like it or not you know if it's therein you know we're just going to keep doing the same thing over and over over weather where we know what are not basically well it's interesting time even though at the pennsylvania avenue thing i thought was pretty fascinating and on Like to have such detail built into the structure and naming of the nation's capital, you have to think that their influence was just as powerful in other areas politically.

47:50 oh absolutely i mean you know when when the country is founded on me to this is this what i'm gonna say here and it's taking a little bit of a different direction but would i've got about the state is probably well-known we obviously you know a lot of the founders of this country people like washington franklin uh... people like that are obviously mason um... you know and what what they're doing is uh... they're using freemasonry um... as a eddie as a template to create this new nation and i mean i'll give you another example for this you know what and you know we talk about the talked about like the the uh... i mean i thought just don't go into this real quick i'll go back my original fought you were just saying about the the symbolism in washington dc

48:36 i mean i'm here in baltimore maryland right now and you will see this exact same symbolism in baltimore in the heart of downtown baltimore where in washington dc you have the domed building which is united states capital looking over you know overshadowing the washington monument which is you know that uh... obelisk It's completely parodied in Baltimore, Maryland where you have the dome building which is the Baltimore Basilica which was the first basilica in the United States overlooking the first monument to George Washington and the heart of downtown Baltimore. Who did the Baltimore Basilica? Benjamin Henry Latrobe. uh... the united states capital building in dc you know who did the baltimore washington monument what robert mills with the same exact guy who did the obelisk indian you know in the nation's mall i mean for your feed it's been a parody didn't get copied all over the place

49:30 uh... with regard to masonry influence in the development of a country i mean yeah i mean i totally agree with you is indeed the people who are developing this country or definitely turning towards um... you know free masonry and it's tools and they're using them as nation building devices for example We'll put the architecture aside for a minute, but after the revolution was over and they're developing the United States Constitution. I mean what do you have? You have to triple division of government between an executive which is of course the president a legislative which is of course the house and senate and uh... judiciary which is of course the supreme court where they getting this triple division of government from that come straight out of blue lodge remasonry worthy lodges to is at the government has divided you know you have the worshipful master who's been you know six in the east as the rising sun and of course you know he is assisted by two other persons um... the junior and senior are wardens

50:33 who sit in the South and West, and those three chairs, the worshipful master and two wardens are the three phases of the sun. The rising sun, the sun at midday, and of course the setting sun so the entire triple division of government within United States is based on the triple division you know in a masonic blue lodge which is basically a solar allegory so i mean right then and there you know you will see masonic you know influence on the nation you know on the development of the nation the guy who was really carrying it forward after you know you need to kind of get out of the phase with profound fathers the guys really carrying afforded that point if this guy i mentioned earlier in your program uh... this governor new york named the whit clinton who's basically

51:20 the guy behind New York right of Freemasonry and the Knights Templar, you know the Knights Templar ceremonial and encampments in the United States of America. He's the guy who is really impressing Freemasonry as a tool for men to come together who have political differences across state lines and using Freemasonry as a device to settle political differences as a way to sort of ameliorate the new country as it were Huh? Yeah, the influence just seems incredibly Detailed that's what so funny about it and uh you know that kind of power You see it seems like they'd have to Have some type of goals for the country we'd have to be going towards their The direction that they're trying to turn things I mean. I don't know if it's been infiltrated since but like to bring up something else which is kind of a strike against masonry is these rumors of

52:17 of Satanism. And this kind of goes back to the Enoch story, because I've had guests on the show talk about Enoch as the snake in the Garden of Eden—as a representation of Enoch and him giving knowledge to humans that God supposedly doesn't want us to have. Is this why you think There's these misconceptions about informationry that it is Satanism at a higher level because there is an adoration of this character who actually was trying to get knowledge that God wanted destroyed and give it to people. It ties into anti-masonry. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's Satanism, but it is definitely anti-masonry and here's why... You have this character of Enoch coming out of the book of Genesis he's one of two people in the Bible who never die a physical death The prophet Elijah is the other, but Enoch is taken up into heaven

53:13 I mean, it's kind of up to the individual person to make their own mind on this. But at any rate he has taken up in heaven human form and what the Book of Enoch documents is what he sees out there. He meets the archangels and interacts with with this group of fallen angels named the Watchers, and it's through his interaction of both these two groups—these archangels and this other group called the Watchers. And I'm sure you know that the Watchers are these fallen angels who have fallen out of God's grace because they've come down to Earth and had sex with the human women to create this sort of race of giants called the Methlam. This is displeased God.

53:53 but it's through these interactions that Enoch gleans this occult, esoteric knowledge that he ultimately brings back to Earth. And this is the crux of anti-masonry I wouldn't go so far as to call it anti-masonry, it's not devil worship or anything but what happens Enoch, when he comes back down to earth with his knowledge. Let me just say this real quick that it's two ways of looking at it and I don't deny this in any way shape or form that within the Bible and within the Old Testament the knowledge is definitely considered forbidden which you would call unholy...I wouldn't go so far as to call it evil but it's sort of discouraged

54:37 But where it comes into Masonry, and where you get this real hardcore element of Masonry is... And this is coming out of the ancient Gothic constitutions of Freemasonry. You'll find these stories in masonic monitors by people like William Preston Thomas Smith Webb These masonic ritualists The story is that—and this kind of ties into what we were talking about earlier So when Enoch comes back to Earth from Heaven, he has this quote-unquote demonic knowledge that he's learned from the afterlife. Well what happens is he catches wind

55:14 that the flood of noah is coming enoch is the even for the great-grandfather or the great grandfather of noah it's one of the two would escape me right now but he anyway he catches wind that this flood of noah is coming and a god is intending to eradicate mankind and you know and start over basically what do you not does is he tricks dot he ports and people none of them are no he said i'm gonna pull one over on you demi urge What he does is, he builds this secret underground vault under nine archways. And what he does is take two pillars and inscribes all the mathematical secrets that he learned in the heavens from his interactions on one pillar. He inscribed art of reading and writing which one would call the seven liberal arts and sciences on the other pillar

56:05 and he buried them alongside the secret name of god in the secret underground vault you know for that loss of his knowledge and of course masonry in the sonic ritual and into ceremonies and it could philosophies you know has a where this knowledge is restored to mankind on the missus coming straight out of this war or should be not agreed as higher degree with his wisdom is restored by these two characters uh... hermes trismegistus and pythagoras i mean that's really the heart and crocs of inky masonry in this country now if you want to take it another direction you get into concepts or lucifer uh... and i don't shy away from this you know where you have albert pike and you're talking about is it lucifer that bears the light doubted not that come straight out of the um... world dogma book and then i talk about him in the royal archbook and then of course the other basin talks about it someone else talking about earlier command by the name of manly palmer hall

57:01 He writes a book. called the Lost Keys of Freemasonry. And I'm paraphrasing here, I know that he writes a line something to the effect of... He says something when a man becomes a Mason, a third-degree Mason, he said he's now the warrior and now the seething energies of Lucifer are at his disposal. Believe you me, I cannot tell you how many YouTube videos i have watched with people talking about these two passages over and over again what I really think they're trying to talk about here is, and this gets sort of into your ancient mystery tradition again is the concept of Lucifer is the planet Venus which rises before the sunrise in most northern hemisphere on most mornings. And the reason that Venus

57:51 associates with lucifer if it's false light uh... it not the real life on the real light of the world is a course but it's it herald becoming true white and that is exactly what albert pike is talking about his is it lucifer that bears polite doubted not any drive you did venus bitty announcing the true white with the fun and what what you have here sort of display own words where lucifer's announcing or Venus is announcing the coming of the true light, which is the sun. Which is, of course, enlightenment, esoteric wisdom, concepts of self-awakening, divine spark... things of that nature So I don't really see it as anything negative but I mean, I could see where someone would though

58:39 I'm a big fan of Joseph Campbell and what he talks about mythology being away for humanity to kind of project on, uh, kind of like a scale that's easy for the imagination to envision but it's what we're really talking about is aspects of the human condition. And you said with hermes maxima as above so below i think with symbolism and with mythology and when we talk about hermes serious and, and what these characters did its also an element of like as without so within us we learn about these stories we also learned about ourselves

59:18 I don't know, just the power of these symbols is taken for granted and how do we come to terms with them? Let me answer your question this way. I think I understand what you're talking about. And this again gets back to kind of like the collective unconscious with Carl Jung is that we have these stories being told—and I agree with you with Joseph Campbell—if we just want to move into sort of…with mythology, with lunar symbology the solar symbology, with the Egyptian symbology and mythology in general whether it be European, Teutonic, Greco-Roman, Middle Eastern, Persian or even Chinese or Native American.

1:00:01 bring it into modern form right now is you know if you want to look at some of this material you know you don't look at some of the most popular movies right now uh... you know we'll see that exact same unit sort imagery that you know you know we've talked about you-know-who um... you know dinner during the course of his program where you know in but the final chapter of the royal archipelago book documents from the sonic you know and and and inoculum symbolism in movies And I'm actually finished my second book which is called cinema symbolism So I go forward and I talk about more mythology You know and these you know um, you know, you don't miss mythological. You know, you know what's the word? I'm looking for monomyths that's where Campbell used in films. I mean like for example

1:00:48 you know let's just take uh... you know like book the first star wars movie this is a test before you know where you have luke skywalker battling you-know-who that but the the the fifth lord we do not put the name of lukes luke skywalkers the sun i mean to luke is That comes straight out of mythology. The Sun has a lunar sister, Apollo has Diana who's Luke's lunar sister with Leia who is always dressed in the white robes of the moon. You will see that carried forward in Star Wars. This is the Campbell Monomyth.

1:01:40 If you really want to see something interesting, and I know it's not the best of the Star Wars movies. I'll be the first one admit that but Lucas did something really interesting in the first trilogy this would have been episodes 1 2 & 3 where he had the first one come out in 1999 This was a movie called The Phantom Menace And I know its not the greatest of the Star Wars movies but just bear with me here for a minute If you recall, if you've seen this movie we are introduced to the Anakin Skywalker. This is Luke's father and he's a little boy running around and the Jedi Master is Leon Neeson and Leon Neeson meets with Luke's mother who was played by an actress named Pernella August

1:02:28 and and and we are missing the idea of education was quick on jenny this jet i'd get our master he he he he he's fascinated with a little boy in infusion oh you know who is his father and and and the the mother says well there was no father uh... you know basically implying he was virgin birth um... well Pernella August, and this movie came out in 1999. Pernella August that same year in 1999 starred in a made-for TV movie called Mary the Mother of Jesus where she played the Virgin Mary and Jesus in that movie was played by Christian Bale

1:03:07 who was one of the play the batman in the dark knight movies but you'll clearly see this parallel with uh... united virgin birth of anakin um... you know by the virgin mother which is a question me skywalker andy parallels with innocent skywalker in jesus christ or courses founding now g's report never becomes his park board but of course anakin skywalker you know in episodes two and three it was rejected by the temple elders he ultimately storms a temple he wants to use magical powers to keep people from dying you know he's dead and resurrected you know he's dead on the one planet yet is born again as darth vader so i mean you don't hear it if they can this massive you know religious monomyth in front of our faces but do we have the eyes to see it

1:03:53 Well, it's strange because you can go through so many different movies and see these same themes. These same symbols and I just wonder who is making these movies? You know that you have to sometimes it seems like you'd have a really deep understanding of this hidden knowledge, this Gnostic wisdom to come up with this to put out there so blatantly in the films Oh, absolutely. In the second book I'm writing, I do believe these filmmakers are very cognizant of a lot of this material. We've mentioned him a couple times during the course of his program named Manly Palmer Hall. Manly Palmer Hall was this Canadian mystic. He's a Freemason and he established

1:04:36 you can google this i mean this is dot anything secret about the state he established a society called the philosophical research society which was the collection of these books containing this lost not stick a caught wisdom and p r s on their philosophical research society is set up in the heart of los angeles not too far away from hollywood and i have a little doubt in my mind but a lot of movie makers are not using the material uh... in this in this library to produce you know if you don't have to produce some of the icons symbols storylines that you will see on the screen i mean again you know me to understand and rattle off two more for ya uh... you know we just talked about you-know-who

1:05:18 You know, some of the parallels with Jesus with Anakin Skywalker where I mean again here we got Neo in The Matrix. Who is this chosen one meant to deliver mankind from the darkness? What happens to Neo when he's killed and resurrected and how does the movie end? He ascends into the heavens. They also call the creator of The Matrix the Architect right and in the architect like there you go to be architected demiurge you know that uh... the the you know did sort of you know you know false you know creator god as it were and you know you will see him with the other one bf at the end of those are the ones that are airing out a harry potter harry potter's dead and resurrected in place for dark lord i mean if the same it's the figure that could be the truman show is another one which in carry where you know that they had been you have the ed harris character whose christoph

1:06:12 with the evil creator you know of course that you know who's in the good to character characters truman burbank record for bankers a reference to movie studio but of course truman's first name he's trying to figure out his meaning in life you-know-what is purposes that something's not right with us like the main true men is the true man i mean it's t rd being a spoke here you and they end but he's the true man qr u week uv m a n so you have an entire not speaking going on in that movie coming out of the movie and he goes out in the boat you know to to to find out who we really get back to the concept of going on into a boat by yourself discover who you are come straight out of the druidic mysteries

1:06:53 you know how did the movie and he spends staircase into heaven you know it's jesus you want goodbye see you later i mean if the same theme over and over again Huh. Another question I have about Jim Carrey specifically is he is in a lot of movies that have to do with, he's in Bruce Almighty that has to do with talking with God, he's in the Truman Show which has to do with finding out your self existentialism and He's the Green Man? He's a resonator of The Green Man and other movies And you mentioned Christian Bale being involved with The Dark Knight which were very very Culturally important movies and the themes they talked about at the time was really important as well. His first movie he was ever in as a child, was called Empire of The Sun He's kind of an American psycho in a different movie I don't know I just feel like their careers are kinda steered to say things like Christian Bale is The sun resonator but he's also the dark aspects of the sun you can look at the three trilogies of Batman being

1:07:54 The first one, Batman Begins basically meaning night time begins. The second one is the Dark Night meaning the whole passage and then the third one being the Dark Knight rises kind of like now it's sunlight again, now it's the end of that cycle. Yeah that-that's absolutely right I mean you know you'll see this again where in he did the Batman character, the Christian Bale character symbolically dies but is alive for real. You see Alfred sees him across the table and of course he's having these would now with the cat woman character which is the secret feminine all this but the one that will kicker in all this it in the final me and this is really to kick her if you go back and watch it is in the final matrix movie uh... my believe it was called matrix revolution second was reloaded um... and up let me just say there's a mean we don't have the parker the first matrix moving is

1:08:51 over loaded with mostic and the sonic and i mean i we could do a whole show on the make the first matrix movie alone but at the end of the third matrix movies about the astounding thing i've ever seen when everything's corrected in the matrices rebooted itself in the architect has agreed you know to kind of let people out of their little cages and you know live their lives but the little girl It comes up to the woman who was the oracle, and you'll see in the distance the sunrise. And the little girl says, ìOh look! Itís Neo!î There he is! He's the resurrected sun man. I mean it's incredible.

1:09:32 I mean, you've got a lot of Jungian psychology going on within the Batman mythos alone. I agree with you with the whole thing with the Empire of the Sun and then, of course, The Dark Knight Rises at sunrise but like the Batman character, you have this concept that if you go back to the one the one that was made with nicholson when they go to play the joker and neither of those came out nineteen ninety eighty nine but michael keaton batman uh... there's a line in their act in america researchers he said he took up vampire you'd like to know if it does that mean the vampire i think that is absolutely right you've got this weekling bruce wayne running around in the daylight you know we can't do anything but as soon as the sun goes down or boom here comes you know people back to be a part of all his powers has always gadgets

1:10:22 you know and this is clearly coming out of the world a call to stop young the that shadow self-taking over at night on i mean it's a check one hearted edits and its purest you know purist notion motion i don't know how deep it goes but christian bail might be even ball you can think in terms of i don't know what kind of sounds like that to me christian you know itself as an interesting first name for him Man, I love the movie stuff. It's really fascinating but it just again is like who's did the Masons just stop making buildings and start making movies? Well i think its...I think..like I said I'm writing this ummm....I just I'm writing this well not writing and I finished it its my second book and I get into all of the movie symbolism And I believe that I kind of put forward in a book that yeah there are some movie makers were aware of this occult esoteric wisdom Some of it could also be a product

1:11:18 of what's called the collective unconscious which is the work to call kristoff young uh... you know you know that i had that would surprise me either then it probably more of a little more of a rational explanation for but i mean the symbolism the iconography to character with the character development there some other names um... you know i mean that it i'd agree with you guys it's really not excuse me if not a coincidence or in my opinion Alright man, well hey it's about that time. It has been a great talk with you very honest I do really appreciate it Is there anything you want to leave the people with? Maybe your website or where they can get your current book and next book Yeah, do you mind if I give my promotional material Go for it

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1:13:20 I thought it was a great episode, i mean some of the stuff was skimmed over really quick considering the at length depth all these individual topics you could give a lot of attention and learn alot if you delved a lot of time into alot of the stuff he said in like just really passing references but the mythology stuff and mysticism is stuff that i've been really fascinated by myself so i've done so much already reading into it that i was already Ref up for this one. Yeah, man It's like it's starting to seem more to me like masonry is just a modern-day Egyptian mystery school You know they have this Gnostic wisdom They drink some beers But I don't know how deep they are involved in the shadow government conspiracy at this point? I don't know how many members of the elites are Freemasons it's it's weird we'll never really know but um I don't know how they really

1:14:20 show their influence in terms of global events. That's kind of my concern and I guess this wisdom is like to bring it back to Star Wars, it's like the force you have the wisdom you can either be Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker You can use it either way you want and I wonder if the Masons have any serious philosophy about using it for good or evil. And it's weird because at that high level you have to be brought up, he said he has been a 32nd degree for how many years? 10 years? Over ten years? 99 I think he said. Yeah 9 is what he said So he's waiting He's waiting for the call Same here...I'm pretty sure that The Matrix came out that year Yes and The Matrix Neo's passport expires on September 11th 2001

1:15:12 It's crazy shit, and I don't know it's just weird because you don't know where their influence ends And where another groups begins? I really like the line did they just stop building buildings and started making movies because once you get into symbolism and encoding symbolism in popular media and by doing so really You're talking about some heavy topics But it is astrotheology, you know. Santos and these guys are right. It is... Astrotheology's what they're encoding into movies that become the biggest most popular big production movies Yeah you know I've been getting criticism lately a couple of emails that have said hey man you have strayed from conspiracy and your now doing all this new age shit which is so off putting to me because I hate new age shit You'll never hear me say love and light with a serious tone

1:16:08 I feel like that's just the direction of the conspiracy movement, really. It's these same guests, these same people who 10 years ago were talking about the New World Order are now talking about the symbology and what it means, and how to take it to a personal level. And self-enlightenment, self empowerment... I don't know if that's because that is just natural progression or because they're giving up on any type of actual real fight or winning this war so instead they're just like you know do the best you can while inside your cage Well I like these people have listened to so many episodes

1:16:47 What is the trend that it shifted and for that i commend them for being great listeners of the show. But really its one run thats part of the aspect to this shows if there's different tiers of this thing, this mystery that going on that is life and one of the tears is yeah theres some conspiracy shit going on with these groups meet they're doing illegal things their chopping up bodies in order to make money, sending drone missiles to blow people up for money. Terrible stuff's going on you know on the surface and also secretly and yeah that's in a lot of ways that's disempowering to the individual And then so on different levels you get more into well what is going on with the individual? And then you get too okay I'm kind of in this human condition just like everybody else is

1:17:36 And I've got to learn how to become my own Luke Skywalker, my own Neo. I've gotta become a champion of myself and not worry so much about this or that group that's doing terrible shit which will always happen. I need to be worried about how do i become the sun? How do i become this dominant force of truth that is just rising and becoming more powerful That's the real mystery is how do you awaken that kind of force in yourself or recognize that it's there for you to access rather than worrying so much about this or that false flag event that may or may not happen. Yeah I mean if if it doesn't yeah, I completely agree these events every shooting in the past two years is some type of false flag and then there are so many

1:18:25 I mean, it's a little bit like the question of why. I don't want to say predict, because you're not really predicting anything but extrapolate the pattern and kind of see where it's going before it gets there. That to me is the ultimate proof of the conspiracy for someone to come out and say hey man the cycles coming around again and its this date we expect to see a shooting right around this time and then what happens? You've identified the problem, you've identified the narrative

1:19:08 Yeah and just by noticing the patterns of what they have been doing, the way they lay it out. There isn't as above so below symbolism to it when they do things even in the news even in the way Sandy Hook or anything like that plays out there's so many ritualized elements that are trying to imply much bigger things about how dangerous strangers are and how we're all psychopaths and we need to be on medication otherwise were just gonna let, terrorize everybody. And there is all these subtle themes they play on in their encode into politics just the same way that they encode solar symbolism into movies

1:19:51 It's funny you mention the psychopath thing because just last week, Teresa lost her wallet. My girlfriend lost her wallet. She put it on top of a car and blew off the car about a week later some guy calls up or actually no the weed doctor calls up and says hey somebody called and they found our card in your wallet, you know go get it here. And I guess the guy still had it or whatever he's trying to get in touch with her so she went to his house to get this wallet and several friends were like hey you can't just go to some guys house this guy is going to rape you and kill you and blah blah blah and I was at work right go too but

1:20:29 She was like, no he's not. Of all the possible people he called in my wallet... He called the weed doctor I'm pretty sure he is going to be okay My address is on a fucking card and my address is on the license. He would just come in the middle of night and rape me if he wanted to do that People are so paranoid that even an ultimate do-gooder Is speculated as being probably a rapist And this is in the personal contact what this really has to do with it you are tensing up like you're about to be hit your soul for aid of the unknown meeting a stranger being involved in some new situation, you so god damn afraid of the fact that reality actually just changes all the time and constantly put you in situations you feel like you're not ready for. And so in response you just kinda like

1:21:23 fear everybody and you say i have this in group of these people are cool but everybody else is just terror and i can't be around them. And you just feel like people like that or so, tense and boxed up and they don't feel good physically feel good where it starts is in the body they don't feel good and they just cannot relax And part of what Alan Watts says about nature and really relaxing and accepting human nature, and accepting unpredictability is that occasionally sometimes you do get burned. Like sometimes there's terrible fucking rains and winds and natural occurrences like the whole wilderness, the mystery... Sometimes it's really rough!

1:22:11 But that's part of like, you still gotta handle that. And no amount of clenching up or protecting yourself from the unknown actually prevents the unknown from unfolding for you so like you're inevitably gonna run into it You might as well relax rather than being tense all the time I do identify this show as primarily a conspiracy show. It's called The Hireside Chats, the real connection is that these are topics that are for an open mind for sitting down smoking a joint and really exploring. That's really the crux of it. That brings everything together even some things seem unrelated to me they're still enjoyable to explore

1:22:53 I don't want to beat a dead horse. We know that fear is being injected, there's trauma-based control we're economic slaves how can you talk about that and then not talk about self empowerment? You have to! You have to talk about remedy for the problems not just the problems and i think thats where Alex Jones is controlled opposition. It's just another side of the same fear coin. For those people who have woken up enough to realize it is going on, here is another brand of fear. Alex Jones is really just—it's coded as exposure but it's really just another brand of fear

1:23:39 And that's why I think he is kind of illegitimate. So, to have a real honest show you've got to talk about both sides and yes maybe we have strayed a little bit more into the self empowerment shows and I think the majority of people like them. I've been getting majority good emails but you always remember the bad ones and the ones you didn't that were negative. Oh, they stick out there like ten times more powerful? Yeah so sometimes I second-guess but i'm just gonna keep doing what i'm doing and doing shows that I think are interesting and I think most people are going to come along with me And I try to make the titles descriptive enough that if there's a subject you don't like just skip that shit But all in all You got to talk about both sides

1:24:21 That's it, man. It's the whole path. It's not just the path of what's pleasurable. It's the total package! You know? We are The Lex Luthor Of Conspiracy Shows And on that note, we're going to get going here people. But thanks for listening! If you like the topics we cover if you find something different about THC and the way we do things then please share this show as much as you can a lot of people who know about some these other shows these Jeff Rentses The Corbett Report Infowars they don't know about THC so please spread that word share your favorite episodes all the good stuff And remember, you can leave me a message on Skype at Hireside Chats. Email me at thehiresideschats.com Facebook, Twitter, YouTube doing all the stuff that you've got to do these days Check out Kyle's column on thehiresideschats.com called Conversations with The Other It is a bit more mystic zen spiritual style stuff that is a good counterpoint to me who is dead inside and so I appreciate his input

1:25:19 Buy a t-shirt at conspiracies.net and we'll see you next week! And in 30 seconds time she said, I want to live like common people. I want to do whatever common people do. I want to sleep with common people. I wanna sleep with common people like you! Well what else could I do? I said, I'll see what I can do. I took her to a supermarket...I don't know why but i had started somewhere so it started there

1:26:19 I said, pretend you've got no money. She just laughed and said oh you're so funny! I said yeah? Well i can't see anyone else smiling in here. Are you sure?! You want to live like You wanna sleep with common people like me? But she didn't understand. She just smiled and held my hand, red supplies above her shawl. Cut your hair and get a job Smug some slag to play some pool Pretend you never went to school But still, you'll never get it right When you're lying in bed at night Watching roaches climb the wall

1:27:07 If you called your dad he could stop it all, yeah You'll never live like common people You'll never do whatever common people do You'll never fail like common people You'll never watch your life slide out of view And dance and drink and screw Cause there's nothing else to do Sing along with the common people! Sing along and it might just get you through. Clap along even though they're laughing at you And the stupid things that you do cause' You think that war is cool Like a dog lying in a corner They'll bite you and never warn you Look out

1:28:17 They'll tear your insides out, cause everybody hates a tourist. Cause everybody hates the tourists Especially one who thinks it's all such a lie Yeah and the chip stains grease will come out in a bath You will never understand how it feels to live your life with no meaning or control and with nowhere left to go. You're amazed that they exist, and they burn so bright while you can only wonder why Rent a flat, go to shop Cut your hair and get a job Smoke some fags and play some pool Pretend you never went to school But still your life is better right Cause when you've laid in bed at night Watching roaches climb the wall If you called your dad he could stop it all

1:29:17 You'll never live like common people. You'll never do what common people do. You will fail like common people! You'll never watch your life slide out of view, and dance and drink and screw because there's nothing else to do!