THC 74: Peter Moon | The Montauk Project, Chi Gong, & The Secret Romanian Hall of Records

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01:02 Conspiratease.net Let them know that you know Bold designs for troubled times Hard truths, soft cock In the 1930s President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the fireside chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times But we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration, we offer a fresh conversation. I'm Greg Carlwood... on the Higher Side Chats! How's it going higher side chatters from sunny San Diego drinking little drinks smoking a little smoke? I'm Greg Carlwood and today is gonna be a damn good show because we're going deep deep deep into conspiracy land to discuss some of the most far-out sounding conspiracy staples out there involving time travel dimensional shifts

02:01 and an intergalactic DNA bank, but we're definitely going to get weird today. And that's the way I like it! Today's guest is one of the most qualified people on the circuit to be talking about secret government programs such as The Philadelphia Experiment, The Montauk Project, and the cover-up of a secret chamber beneath the Romanian Sphinx His name is Peter Moon, publisher and author of many books but probably best known for a trilogy disclosing the details of the legendary secret government program known as The Montauk Project co-authored by original Montauk Project whistleblower Preston Nichols. As well as more recent series revealing information about strange contents in a secret chamber underground in Romania

02:39 which he co-authored with Radu Sinamar who is a member of the Romanian Intelligence Services Occult Department and again an original source for a fascinating story. I'm for sure super excited so let's get to it Peter my man hows it going? I'm good, thanks. It's nice to be here. Absolutely man! Thanks for being here you have such a history with two of the wildest stories out there and i really want to let those be our two main subjects for this show Let's start with The Montauk Project one of several supposed secret government programs experimenting with time travel as well as other weird stuff and this thread of info about time travel experiments It really seems to start with the Philadelphia Experiment, another conspiracy staple that has many different versions and speculations. But I know that you've looked into it and spoken about it quite a bit so maybe we should start there? What would you consider the Philadelphia Experiment was at one of the first known instances of such a project what happened there whether or not it's a it's the first it's hard to say it's the first but it certainly one of the most

03:40 spectacular you know like yeah if a patient had a stroke did he have many strokes before that or many strokes many strokes but this was like a major gyration of the earth and it's very important that it occurred According to the lore in August of 1943, because there is a biorhythm which coincides with the so-called birthday of Isis when that star Sirius is most direct. It was the high holy days of ancient Egypt and this period of August

04:15 When the star system Sirius is right there closest to us, it's a very sacred day in different traditions. Now this is when it occurred so its called a biorhythm that occurs every year but there's a major biorhythm every 20 years now this is a gyration of the earth so not an earthquake The. Heart beats the liver of the liver feeds the heart etc. So you have this cycles of energy moving through the earth and this was a big one so that's sort of an esoteric behind-the-scenes explanation what was going on on a purely energetic basis when we translate energy into the human condition in the human drama where every person is a player on stage, we have government

05:17 Different governments, the German government having a hand in it. The American government and the British would have been in there with all their secret departments which are being directed by the US. People don't when they look at world politics, they like well you know obviously people will look at Obama and the heads of state And then if they think they're going to get a little bit deeper They'll go to build a bill the burgers and the bohemian grove and all sort of things But as I began to investigate this I had synchronicities with occult phenomena and you had occultists

05:59 Alistair Crowley being one of them who turned up, but he said something very interesting. There are according to him you have this MJ-12 stuff that everybody's pretty much heard it. What that is really an offshoot of is what they call the secret chiefs those MJ-12 people were They are puppets just as much as they were players. They were at important positions, but the real secret chiefs... The secret chiefs that are called an occultism and these are invisible characters you're not going to get too much of a glimpse of. Of course! Yes so this is what we're dealing on the world stage in Philadelphia experiment where you have experimentation with radar, experimentation with

06:51 Be gousing a ship so that it does not appear on radar screens changing the electromagnetic field and that's what the philadelphia experiment was on the surface and then. According to the lower of what happened it disappeared it disappeared in left this dimension and the most important i guess Evidence that they had was the damage that it did to the crew and the crew was compromised mentally physically sometimes catching on fire what we know now is spontaneous combustion term as that sometimes having their body parts amalgamated into the bulkhead of a ship.

07:35 and just suffering. Sometimes it was just mental trauma, these people were brought to various about three naval hospitals one of them or military hospitals one of which was in Camp Upton Long Island which was a convalescent hospital during World War I and it was right adjacent to the old Nazi compound compounding the complexity of the secret German involvement with the Philadelphia experiment Which is in a book called the Philadelphia experiment murder that I published but the so you have this is you have a confluence of different events on a bigger global scale and then.

08:15 The conspiracy of the government files and what happens is all gets kind of shredded in all kind of disappears but what you have is the acting out. Of on a lower level some bizarre play where everything secret but she do have experiments going on behind scenes that are experimenting with human beings, This is in a time when we didn't have the abduction stories that are so prevalent today. You add, this would be the precursor to that because any abductions that were going on back then whether they were being done by organized crime or by military or secret government stuff if they seem to be very reduced in number to the reports we get today's. So the reports were fewer

09:06 it would seem that there was relatively little going on compared to today. So you have this going on, not so much in 43 but you have a study of these people who went into other dimensions and suffered greatly and this becomes the great human factor study which takes place after the war in combination with the data that they studied from Joseph Mengele who did all sorts of horrible experiments on human beings including Little people sometimes known as dwarves or midgets Doing experiments on twins. Yeah, the psychic energy of twins and all of this evolved into the human factor study if they Old camp upton convalescent hospital which turned into Brookhaven National Laboratory was the top security site for

09:54 in the East Coast, if not the nation. It was the headquarters of where atomic energy was being studied. It was owned by Associated Universities which is a quasi-government group but actually a government group so it it was very interesting confluence events and out of this human factor study at Brookhaven Get the Montauk project, but that early human factor study was engineered by John von Neumann. Mm-hmm And he was the engineer of the Philadelphia experiment who was also applying his studies of the human mind well what you call Electronics and computing to the human mind He invented the first modern computer and that Was being used to study the human mind and get inputs and outputs on a computer

10:52 This type of experimentation has been verified. In fact, it's rather mundane you'll even see certain aspects of it on the PBS sometimes where you'll see fighter flight simulation and even stealth craft pilots where they can actually move the ship by thinking, manipulation so this is was that early parts of the studies and as they went forward if they established to control the human mind through through electronics and this scared the congress which outlawed it. You're not going to see this in the congressional record. Of course, but you it then went underground and ended up at Montauk Point New York in or about 1972 where really started going and my talk point New York had old Air Force Station Camp Hero It's called its military history goes back to World War One is camp Wyckoff But but Camp Hero has had a lot of strange things associated with it forever in the day. It's a strange place

11:57 And it's not necessarily a safe place, but it's now a state park where you can go out and visit. You couldn't when we began investigating it. We turned the apple cart upside down here when we actually had a trial in the town of East Hampton. It was not me but Preston Nichols, Duncan Cameron and another Man mark who got involved in a trial because they were ticketed on this ground and they chase you off very little late another words vehemently even violently they would chase you off of that ground.

12:39 Why? It was a state park, but they were using it for something. So there was a trial which Preston Nichols was serving as his own defense attorney and he actually won it was pretty funny transcript of the top trial somewhere yes because the judge actually said to the radar operator or that you wasn't radar operator actually was Park Police You know he said why can't these people go this is a state park you're supposed to have one third of it dedicated at least two-thirds of it dedicated to the people. They had confiscated much more, why can't people go on there? He says I walk my dog there so the judge actually ruled justly which is sometimes novel in our culture but he ruled just and it caused a precedent where Bernadette Castro who was at that time the parks commissioner actually purchased a copy of one of the videos that Preston Nichols sold through Sky Books and I actually sent her

13:44 A tape. I sent her a tape which showed all this chicanery going on and she got super fun money to clean up, allegedly clean up the camp. There was nothing wrong with what she did but they had this very strange company, the Parsons Corporation come out from their headquarters in Pasadena and they came out and did a whole cleanup study of munitions The government was at the army, the Army Corps of Engineers. And that was a whole fiasco they tried to hide a public meeting which I was able to attend and this army guy was lying his pants off and but anyway it was you know so anybody can go out there now right? So this is uh but course they were doing experiments with the mind with eventually they were manifesting objects according to the stories manifesting objects

14:40 Because if you can manifest affect thoughts like there are reports of them changing the mood of people animals We've got some video that shows strange animal behavior out there I even saw an abducted deer or not an abductor what they call a mutilated deer out there Which was a classic mutilation of a dear that looked like it had been dumped from outer space Or no, I shouldn't say outer space. I should say, you know from 100 yards You know a mile up It just went splat on the ground So doing strange things with you know parts taken out of it. I've heard some really bold claims I mean when our government has so much secrecy It really does leave the door open for some of these things that could be possible What happened with the Montauk chair because that's kind of what this conspiracy kind of surrounds is this Montauk chair? Does it come from a you have a crashed UFO No, the Montauk chair isn't

15:36 You know, the information we have out I have about it is somewhat abstract. Particularly the procuring of it like II knew the man who claimed to have procured it and how he came into my life was very bizarre and but you know there's tangential ties that he worked. He used to operate a portfolio name was George Dixon. He's passed away last summer. I wouldn't even mention it and he never wanted this broadcast publicly but I met him And when Duncan impressed and heard the story about that, I told him about it. They were shocked not because they hadn't heard of it but that he'd ever told anybody he was always very secret. It was just between the three of them and he told me because I was putting the book together and you wanted me to know it? And he had strange financial connections in here. He was a very unusual guy. And so there was a lot of strange tentacles of people that I met behind-the-scenes by the Montauk chair

16:36 Was basically a lounge chair that had crystal radio receivers put around it so that I could pick up the thoughts of a psychic and be amplified out the game horde of the transmitter tower out there. Preston Nichols can give you a much better technical description of it than I can because he's expert in this stuff. But basically, it's like an amplifier. You know how if somebody is playing guitar and electric guitar they put an amplifier and amplify sound? Well the sound is basically Radio waves so you know if you're doing the same thing with the mental ways and your amplifying what's going out in? The mind which includes emotions and includes modes there was a man George used to give me this paper on Martin cannon who did a whole lot of research on being able To change the moods of people it was all sort of documented studies by Martin cannon, and This stuff is kind of pedestrian nowadays at the time. It was coming up in the 90s when I

17:38 Right. It's certainly a staple of conspiracy lore and in the staple of history. There has even been, what was it? The CIA made a settlement with people at the Allen Memorial Institute in Montreal who had claims of mind control being used against them by Duncan Ewing Cameron who was connected to Duncan Cameron of the Montauk Project, but this guy was evil personified with what he did. The CIA did not admit any wrongdoings in the payouts it was all done in Canada where the CIA was not supposedly involved because it's Canadian so you get out of it by going to Canada and doing it But this stuff is pedestrian now The mind control stuff that happened and surrounded the Montauk project

18:36 doesn't really have to be established as a we don't have to argue about the fact that mind control is a Sub sub green subject sub-subject of this now where it becomes very interesting Is the components of time travel? The technology of time yes and how mind control surrounds that because we live in a society where We are limited. We are limited in the way we think, the way we act. Uh...we don't eat proper food There is not an adequate demand for proper food, although there is a demand that's increasing. But even that response is you go into New York City where I'll be in a couple of days and you see the they call it organic food They don't know what they're talking about in New York City Some places might but by and large no people want to eat organic so though they'll have juices And they don't really understand in Long Island It's better but it still there's a long way to go as far as teaching people how to eat properly

19:39 So that their brains will think properly and they will function properly. And this is a whole story that one can go into the holistic quality of a human being and There are a lot of lacks in the society we live in so real yes, so where were? Someone when you talk about the subject of time well time as a perception and how do people perceive they perceive with their brain And it's a filter and the brain is not even fully activated. It's partially activated so this gets really down to more of the conspiracy is the human construct as opposed to shape-shifting reptilians, Bilderbergers International bankers and this sort of thing and they don't help the problem but the real Conspiracy and this is what I started off into as a young person was the conspiracy

20:39 That's the prison. Concept of the eye in the triangle that they show on the dollar bill that is the symbol of the Illuminati. That is the symbol of the illuminating illuminated being within yourself that you want to the mystery schools used to teach it gets convoluted and degraded over the centuries so that I'm trying those what you wanna wake up in yourself and as you do wake up, uh, you will see

21:27 the conspiracy that's going around you just in terms of the way people eat, conduct themselves in business and this sort of thing. So this is what rather than focusing on all these nefarious acts that these people do and how they make this Batman shooting or what's that thing? The Sandy Hook shooting and how it's all tied together And people are studying how its all tied together Yes, It's all tied together When your studying how it's all tied together You're kind of missing what's going on inside of you. Yeah, it's still kinda within the framework. You're in a squirrel cage and yes it was always connected but now you are just becoming aware of it. It is better to become aware of what's going on with you and you could be improving yourself as opposed

22:18 I'm failing this conspiracy which has been. I said when they start unveiling it on the history channel or the Jesse Ventura show or whatever, this is like The Shoemaker or what it's at the shoeshine boy telling you to buy stocks? It's time to get a stock market. It's time to get out of conspiracy because we've got everybody doing it and You know, I mean sure. It's getting saturated and a lot of areas are getting saturated. Because you know it helps me sell my books okay that's how much I'm living but on the other hand it's also important to speak the truth and say what is what about what? And this is sort of the situation in there's a lot of people that need to be more aware of what goes on that still believe in the goodness

23:13 What are government supposedly stands for as opposed to what it really stands for so there's a lot of people are waking up on different levels so this is the current level in my estimation is too you know shed the conspiracy shackles and start working on yourself. You know, I've had a lot of guests recently that have kind of put that out there and we try to cover more the positive side than other shows. I know Alex Jones is one of the most popular shows out there it's always just identifying little pieces within the framework and it doesn't really ever get you out of it There isn't much enlightening talk there So yeah, I agree with you It is important

23:54 To identify it and know what happened but also you know you gotta realize that your not gonna fight this battle in the three dimensional world, its a mental thing. If you can free your mind thats about as good as you can do I cant speak for Alex Jones i've certainly heard of him, seen a few youtubes, never listened to his show Art Belshow, maybe I heard the David Anderson broadcast. I looked those on YouTube but i've never listened to any of these shows George Norrie No no never listen to them because they're not a valid source of information for what? I would be interested in But well let's talk about that What are you interested and what message would you put out that you don't think people are hearing something about about the uh

24:40 It's not even about Alex Jones. Somebody did a whole diatribe on where his funding comes from, but not in relation to Alex Jones but it's the... somebody also did a study of the ratings of these big conservative talk show hosts like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and some others I think it was that guy that Mormon guy he was really noisy on TV with short hair with blonde hair I

25:24 It was all false ratings because they're thinking that a broadcast out there and people think this is what people are thinking or thinking with their agreeing not sure that does there are some people agree with it buying into it but its all sort of a scam in itself. Because the ratings aren't there but they need guys huge money so they can play the part But it's actually a controlling of the airwaves because nobody really wants to hear this bogus conservatism, which isn't really conservative at all. And so this is like what goes on in media and does it go on in the alternative media? Yes! It's even probably more sinister there because people are being more fooled

26:12 and They just don't understand so i using what am i interested in it's generally not what other people are interested and i was interested in time. Anytime when physicists were interested in time they were interested in holding their status quo with a few few tiny exceptions, So now all the physicists are getting interested in time and it's become vogue to talk about the possibility of time travel, although most of them are really in the dark ages. Not all of them but most of them so that this is like what am I interested in? What human beings are interested in? You look at what they watch on TV and whatnot

27:12 It's kind of like peeling back the veil. Right now, my main interest is in the Romanian adventure that I'm involved in as well as Daoist Qigong which I practice every day which is all about energy. Well you started off by mentioning that biorhythm that took place right around the time of the Philadelphia experiment, I wondered if maybe that had anything to do with creating a different effect when they're manipulating magnetic fields. You hear about ley lines you hear about certain energy nodes on the planet... Energy is one area where

27:50 It starts to get a little new agey. I haven't felt any real effects of energy in my life, I've gone to Reiki before and it had no effect. I'm interested in it How could someone who's a bit of skeptic actually feel a noticeable energy change? Is there way just to verify? Yes! I can tell you right now... Nice! If you were to take your hand and press at the bottom of each finger you know where the finger meets the part of the hand? You press each one of those bottom points on each hand. You press them and rub them around for a bit, then you rub the center of your palm. Tell me when you've done that on both hands. I'm doing it! Now take your fingernails and rub them together like they were sandpaper against

28:49 You're rubbing all your fingernails together in the thumbs. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah i'm doing it And the audience can do this and you do this for a while now when you do this and you keep doing It i'm gonna have you open up your hands and you're gonna feel an imaginary ball which will be about the size of a nerf ball if you just open it up now Open up the hand you feel the energy between your hands I do, I definitely do feel like a little tingle there. Yeah. Yeah you'll feel an energy that's a Qi ball. Qi is life force energy now You can take this and you just feel that energy you can send that to any part of your body I once did this for audience in Germany And the woman had had a hip plane her whole you know for what he called up

29:39 I'm not sure what's going on with my brain. Where I could show you more proof and I wouldn't brag about my own abilities because simply because I haven't tried it But there is something called a Kangan water system that can cost up to $10,000. That is Increases the pH of the water And of course pH is very good for water, to have high pH in your water because it will alkalize your body and diseases only happen when you're fine. I've heard that there's a cancer cure that revolves around that? Oh yeah totally! So anyway there was a big martial arts seminar going down in North Carolina and my teacher was down there and this guy who was leading the seminar had a Kangen water system

30:40 And was showing how the pH could down my teacher went over there using this type of energy which that's, there's much more. That's just like an initial introduction to achieve all but he goes over their puts his hands around the water and had a higher pH than the in the canyon water system that physical she energy from from it she gone grandmaster Yeah, I've seen some monks do some crazy things. Bruce Lee was all about the chi energy and he had powers that seemed to transcend what's normal His strength seemed to be ridiculously powerful and uh...I've seen plenty of examples of it It just seems like it takes so much time and years and years of dedication Let me put it this way- I have been studying it for six years

31:27 According to what my teacher told me see because a lot of guys if you listen to Chuck Norris talking about the death Of Rosalie he doesn't know what he's talking about Because he's not really He'll talk about the medical reasons Bruce died and he's not really jammed in on this sort of martial arts. He's in this sort of kick-ass karate Yeah, learning Korea and there's a lot of mystery surrounding Bruce Lee's death a lot of My teacher told sure basically Bruce Lee was he was a great great athlete great martial artist, but he was at odds with the Chinese They didn't want him to teach this of course or heard this story But he was also very cocky and disrespectful At times you know he preached the Tao. Yes He was it was very close to his heart and he Was disrespectful

32:23 From the story I heard, which is like inside martial arts. He disrespected one of these masters you know and when they say disrespected him probably tweaked in physically. I don't know what happened but one of his students was not very happy and hit Bruce Lee in the back of the head and actually hit him now this hit was not something that you know paralyzed Bruce Lee it was a Chi blow Chi can be used to kill. It's all about intent, and this was a reaction... I don't know exactly what happened but that chi knocking into Bruce Lee's head is what precipitated the whole medical situation in other words he was dead from chi you don't die like that if your

33:24 If your chi is working, you know it's even with the synchronicity of the moment. He got he bit off more than he could chew He's also got a curse against him his family supposedly Yeah This Chi blow he was told what to do and to come back and get it healed And he did not come he did not pay attention He did not you know so as great as he was as brilliant as he was we all have our weak points It was prideful Yeah, prideful and that's it you know he was good he would be would not teach pride but I mean the guy was good when your that good. You know it's not hard, especially if you're a showman and an actor. Yeah you're among the masses who have no clue. You're basically showing off That's true And he was a great human being from everything I've heard about him but as they say when you get into some of these loftier areas of what your doing

34:22 But you know, that's the story I know. In the hands of a master it's life-giving. And that's really the point of it is to teach people life, but its so outside of the box of The way people think I saw a Jiu jitsu master last night kind of really having some ontological shock about being shown certain things that just seem so stupid to him Not that he was saying they were stupid but you know he knows these moves

35:14 conventional karate type moves and they just aren't going to work against certain principles of nature. So it's like, and there was even a story that is true of one guy getting thrown by woman in our class when he checked into Bellevue. He had ontological shock. He thought he went in the rubber room. He couldn't deal with because some women could outmaneuver him and he was like a nth degree black belt or whatever. So that this is like it's you know, it says energy and its people have fixed ideas. So if you have people that are like well schooled in whether it's karate or something more mundane like university education there very entrained to think in a certain way all Chinese martial arts is

35:59 trained in the wrong, I'm telling you it's trained in the wrong way because I was taught by somebody who teaches at the right way and he can demonstrate why they do with the wrong way. I also sometimes wonder about just the placebo effect in general and that if people have doubts if they've been taught that there is nothing to energy their aren't going feel those effects because their mind is telling them there's nothing there kinda like same goes with crystals you know some people put a lot of faith in crystals and their properties and maybe its Maybe they're manifesting that because they have such faith in it. Sometimes I wonder about that. With crystals, what you have to understand with crystals is that's how radios work. Radios are like crystals so its kind of like they are what you need a crystal to make a radio receive So if you put into the scientific reference frame then... Now I had a friend, I don't know what happened to him Mark Roberts he mentioned my book

36:56 Montauk book of the living he was a dowser a very interesting man, but he he was doing a Workshop here in New York and he took these two Crystals that were flat they had flat. I think they've been you know shaved It's the word cut can't even remember cut what's the word? Sod and they were flat bottoms and he rubbed them together in a dark room And we saw him light up Wow, that's awesome. It was a piezoelectric effect but he says I want you to see that this energy with crystals is not not BS He says he so he showed it and he wanted to demonstrate it and in it would light up they were quartz crystals

37:36 Crystals are definitely interesting, but people attribute some wild properties to them. And I'm not so sure how far it goes you know the spectrum is very wide with crystals Yeah it is well in terms of the clams yes It's uh but you know people that are freak have You know sensitives they have different brain entrainment? I don't mean that they're exaggerating But they think they're sensitive so there is applications to them, but that's a whole other subject yeah stills, but anyway Well, I do want to jump over to your other claim to fame man. The other great chunk of conspiracy goodness? That's the stuff that is going on in Romania you know the story of the Hall Of Records as i understand it because of your work and describing the Montauk Project and time travel you were approached by this David Anderson guy who was impressed enough to bring you to Romania

38:26 where you met this Radu Sinamar guy and he told you about the secret chamber. Are those kind of the cliff notes? You want to tell people a little bit more on that story? It's not exactly accurate because, well David is a very interesting character who I've known for some 14 years now and he is a time control scientist who was very impressed with The Montauk Project in fact he made a point of it when we read my last newsletter...I do have a newsletter The Montauk Pulse which is published once every quarter You can get it from Skybooks at skybooksusa.com, you can sign up for the newsletter, it's quarterly, it's about $20 a year, there are four issues and I do updates on this stuff The next one will be on my adventures to Romania which we'll probably be touching here in a few minutes But David is a time control scientist and he gave an incredible lecture on coast-to-coast not lecture but discussion of coast-to-coast

39:21 About the capabilities of what he's up to now, of course I've kind of followed him with this for 14 years and He can slow things down in time speed them up in time. I saw a video at this at Montauk with about 20 other people We witnessed a video of this. He's not been able really yeah, he's not been able to release that or similar video due to What do you call bureaucratic? Issues red tape he called it Oh, man. He's hoping to do like I thought he would have done it by now from what he said but release courses in time online courses on time studying time and i don't have any idea what these courses are going to be but you supposed to be doing courses online courses for people interested in time one I guess it would be at his website with the Anderson Institute But he was interested in time he was helping

40:19 And it was. artists, writers and scientists who would meet their minds. And some really incredible things come out of there but it's basically a camp for youth Romanian youth 16 to 30 they have science fiction discussions there they have art workshops they have scientific discussions There is a man who brought neurology to Romania The Science of Neurology I see him every year I'm friends with him and his wife

40:55 The complexity studies center, Florine Montano who's like one of the most incredible professors in Romania. These are people who have become my friends but and many of them have met David I got to meet Dimitri the cosmonaut he's the only Romanian ever to go in space Romania is cosmic enough to go nice So he's now a friend of mine and there's incredible people there. He recently just started showing up at Atlantic on so you have an incredible amount of Do some of the best minds in the world flow through that? That camp, and of course they're teaching young people I teach Qi Gong there and I lecture on

41:32 sort of the stuff I'm with more of a tilt towards sacred Romania, but I lecture on all this all these types of things and The David so David Anderson brought me there He was there the first two summers and although he keeps tabs on me while I'm there. He has not been present for the last four summers at Romania But he you know emails me now and then well in their even in real life he does but he's not We're waiting for something to come from his quarter. The next thing I expect to hear is these online courses But he's a real time control scientist and when you did the interview with art Bell He didn't say Art asked him if they were putting people in the chamber And he says yes, and he said it was very close to book before sending people back in time So to speak now he also will tell you in the same paragraph that what you're told Is you know? The government or the secret sector is

42:29 I remember a guy connected with Bell Labs tell me that they had those and. In the 1980s, he was telling me. He says yeah it's all on a little box So these discoveries are made way ahead of time and then they're filtered out into the military industrial complex Who is going to sell them? Is it gonna be you know Sony? Is it gonna be Samsung? Is it going to be you know Right Whatever company so these are

43:05 you know, the way the world really is as opposed to the way it appears to be. But so David Anderson brought me to Romania and he didn't... I did not meet Radu Sinemar in person. I have had a correspondence with him He approached a publisher who published The Montauk Project my publisher in Romania who published it in Romanian language. He approached him and says would you like to do my book? He did! And that that is how that book got published in Romania translated it? I had the books translated into English and published in an English language. Transylvania Sunrise, Transylvania Moonrise, Mystery of Egypt and The New One's Secret Parchment so those books all the whole series everything that he's written is now in the English language and it's a story that I also add to because each year I've gone to Romania and I add my two cents about

44:04 You know, the veracity of his claims to the degree that I can back them up. Yeah let's talk about the content of those claims pretty fascinating stuff Well the claims are that in The mountains of Buchege Spelled Buchegi we'd say Buchegi but they say Buched and that's in sort of on the border Transylvania is a big plateau right Pathian Mountains and They go around it On where the mountains meet going north and south, east and west approximately in that area is less than 50 miles as the crow flies. Is where you know Count Dracula had his castle? His fortress he did not have a castle from the castle they have there is bogus it's not his castle It's just a tourist place with negative energy don't go there. He had a fortress in the mountains You can go there

45:07 But it's a hard road. It's more obscure than that, but he had a fortress and that was from people going in crossing the mountains into Transylvania Southern part of Romania is Wallachia with a W spelled with a w. He was the prince of Wallachia. He was not the Prince of Transylvania. He did not come from Transylvanian. He was born there when his father was incarcerated by the Hungarians but there was a passage there that goes in and out now about 50 miles as the crow flies, it takes longer than that by car is a Sphinx. The Romanian Sphinx which there's other another megalith nearby they're called Babelay which means old women It's both sacred stone structures The sphinx looks like its profile the left side of the face is the face of a man on the right side you'll see

46:06 It's faded away, eroded but it looks like a griffin or lion. It is much more eroded than the left side and you have to get a specific view on it to see it but its the most biggest tourist attraction in Romania for the Romanians themselves and it's beautiful up there. You are above the tree line Some of my friends took a walk there I took a hike. on a hike away from the Sphinx and they ended up in an area where their hair began to stand on end. Their hair began to stand on end, you call it static electricity, it's supposed to be just before lightning hits I don't know if any lightning hit but they had quite a time of it there are a lot of energetic anomalies out there and its very beautiful but this Sphinx, to get into the story what you asked me is

47:04 And this chamber they couldn't get at it so they approached. the head of Department Zero, which was this most secretive arm of Romanian intelligence. A man named Cesar Brad and the whole story is about how he grew up under the psychic supervision of a Chinese doctor who set up the paranormal department of Romania, Department Zero. He was from Red China and he tutored basically Cesar Brad to get into this position so that he would actually help

47:50 the Americans access this secret chamber because the Americans discovered it. And there's negative force that sets it up as Italian Freemasonry who tries to get at it, this character Signor Mazini who tries to get at it and he is portrayed as personified evil and he's not successful in getting at the control of his chamber. The chamber is controlled by the Americans and the Romanians in a joint activity now what's in this chamber is very sci-fi if there's tables in there, which if you put your hand over a part of the table it'll read out your DNA. In molecular form, if you put it closer, its an atomic form and if you put your hand on another part of the table It will show an alien DNA And it will show it in microscopic or atomic form but will also show the star system that came from... ...and this is all holography So you'l see the star system You'll see the planet and it'll tell you that it came from there

48:49 Apparently not I don't know if it's in the Romanian language of English language. I don't think languages involved, but it gets graphically portrayed and put him over at the same time it'll read out a hybridization of those two species now this is this is mine blind. It's mind blowing but it see you takes that the myth of Noah's Ark And it says, well what's really going on? Noah's Ark is a watered down story of something like this. And this is supposed to be 50 thousand years old to the best educated guess. This place is fifty thousand years old. Man I would suggest...I would think that it'd be much older! That's kind of crazy Well that's their educated guess they don't really know Yeah who..is there any indication as to who built that or how it came to be there? That's a very sensitive subject when they get into the story and try an find out who built

49:39 You know, with basically because there's also a time what do you call it? History of the world in holographic form there. I think there is a time device in there they haven't really described it but they do go... There are three tunnels in there one of which goes to Egypt and underneath the Giza Plateau They find a device which enables you to travel in time with your consciousness not with your physical body And when they get to that subject who invented this stuff It gets very touchy It's like a book or movie that I don't cycle Riverworld when you get the masters of the world they become shadowy and they don't want you to know anymore. Then, the guy who is running behind house teacher in your kid wants you to know what tricks are you know he's playing games you not you're not getting to see behind scenes there's an orchestration going on their

50:31 that was hard to penetrate with regard to who built it. Well, let's talk a little bit more about the content of this chamber I mean it's for people who haven't heard it that the idea that there's a piece of equipment there that will holographically show you DNA of yourself hybrids with other species? I mean that's pretty fascinating stuff is there any other details about that you can give us was any uh...was there any anything extrapolated from seeing non-human DNA? I have to tell you that which the incident happens in 2003. That book was written from a point about six weeks after the opening of the chamber, so that's about all the information were offered is about six weeks of intense investigation which was relayed what the author was allowed to relay into the book because he has a sensor and

51:29 So he didn't tell us too much. Most of the book is about the political infighting and manipulation into the background of Cesar Brad, who's the one who opens up the chamber. He allows Radu Sinamar to come in. He hand-selects him to write this story and people in Romania will sometimes have very heated opinions on whether this chamber exists in this reality or another reality But their opinions are always too heated for my liking. In other words, they may be right or they may be wrong but I don't think that opinions should be so heated. I don't have a heated opinion about it. The second book Transylvanian Moonrise gives a lot of corroborative information in terms of newspaper articles and people that wrote into the editor corroborating what had happened we don't know exactly but the exact DNA applications

52:25 I'm kind of zeroing in that this happened at Atlanticron this summer and i want to get more information. I believe some of the most important things that might be gleaned from that chamber, if...I don't think they've done it is the 24th gene pair, the so-called 24th gene pair which human beings had 20 have 23 gene pairs according to sound biological theory there was once 24 and it's my hypothesis that when they fused, it lessened the ability of mankind. And if we want to take it one step further, the ability to change morphogenesis in other words change shape shift now there was a doctor actually invited me to come out at this campfire two o'clock in the morning It's just summer and he's... so they were just invited me to come out

53:24 And because I was there, they're going to speak in English. Normally they'd speak in Romanian and it was dark. There was no campfire so we couldn't get the wood. So like out there and they say well we're gonna talk about the ascension of a human being transcendence of the human being inside said Well, I started telling him about book two The Transylvanian Moonrise which goes into the longevity of living for hundreds or thousands of years and Out of that, this doctor is a medical doctor. He teaches medical doctors took a very he came to my chi gong class. He took a very strong interest in this 24th gene pair and then because he understood the science of it and then we found this young girl who was studying biology she's saying biology she says like I think she's just starting college And i started telling her about The Tree Of Life and DNA and she got interested and then She kind of had this real scientific

54:21 Sort of solution that impressed the doctor so we're gonna try and get I'm not going to go into the biology of it now because I want him To explain it to me in concise language. So I don't have to go and he'll understand it more clearly, and It's basically there is a scientific plausibility But between what we're saying here to go into the deeper science of it There and I said, you know once we do this We got to be careful that You know, maybe that we're announcing a discovery because somebody else might have discovered it. You know? It's like these things happen simultaneously as consciousness moves forward but the point I was saying about this is very DNA driven and it's what...it's the morphogenesis of life. It's changing so life is changing We see life…we don't have the same diseases we had in the 50s

55:15 That's not all because of vaccinations, it just life changes. Diseases change. Life is constantly changing so what could be come out of this DNA? If I was going into that DNA bank and had access to it, I'd start asking these questions And I'd certainly like to have somebody who's more versed in biological terms than I am to be with me too, like this doctor thing. Who gets it? You know it's like people a lot of their scientists don't have the prejudice that many of our scientists were are still suffer from You know this so what they've done with it to answer your original question I don't know a part of me thinks that some of the best part has gone into neglect But I don't know that. Oh, I Don't know that thing is you see or its been sequestrated and only in secret sectors What's but? It's this is the infinite potential of life itself and the human mind So even though the idea of this concept is

56:21 Is is something that we look forward to just as when they did the rocket to the moon. That was a dream when I was a kid in the 1950's growing up and 1969 we had a man on the moon, but problem with the moon And the space program, it's all under censorship and what goes on out there they don't tell us everything. So again it's censorship which David Anderson has said is the key component in modern warfare. It is! Censorship yes. I mean that's kind of why you hear all kinds of stories the deeper you get into conspiracy you just hear wild

57:06 Wild stories and you have to say well number one. I know the government lies to me I know the government shrouds everything in secrecy they have nefarious deeds They have nefarious motivations that opens the door to all kinds of wild stories and some are true Some aren't it's impossible to really know because no one's gonna tell you the truth The government is not going to give you any information on it right, so this becomes The hallmark of the individual is that he has to go in and find his own answers. If if you go looking to the government for answers, uh?

57:42 It's like going to a teacher for an answer about something where they've just been taught to teach you pedestrian information. Exactly They're there to control and handle the population, not necessarily to benefit the individual on these levels so you have to go in and ask yourself questions and get your own answers as opposed even by Of course, and something else I did want to ask you about is you know. You had mentioned briefly that another part of that chamber is the Department of Justice's office in Washington DC.

58:30 an area that gives you the content of the history of the world. And I've heard you describe before that it comes from an individual's perspective, but is there anything many more details about that? You can give people because that's pretty interesting too. It's a bioresonant in other words all the devices are described in these books are bioresonants so if you sit in the chair to see the history of the world will be different than what I see they'll be different then up with the girl down the street sees would be different than our parents would see if they were there. Everybody has a different perspective, so it's bioresonant now this is very much akin to a hallucinogenic principle whereas if you take a hallucinogenic it's going to be a different experience than I have. If we're both geared towards history

59:18 And we're both in separate chairs like that Clockwork Orange that comes out of these type of experiments. The experiments that were Clockwork Orange, the movie was based upon the book you're going to get and we're steered towards certain areas We're gonna have certain areas of commonality. We're gonna have certain areas difference so what? Hallucinogenics such as LSD which was used extensively in the early mind control experiments Was is a mind amplifier It amplifies the mind, it exaggerates things. It builds it up. It's the same thing they were doing at Montauk where they had highly sophisticated mind amplifiers there are two different ways to a need their two different means to an end which is to amplify the consciousness now I do not advocate psychotronic amplification of the mind. I don't advocate hallucinogenic drugs all of these things can be done internally

1:00:15 They can be done internally and you want to develop them on your own horsepower so lucid dreaming is a good practice to indulge in if one wants to. expand their mind. Do you have any tips for that? I've had people try to give them before but lucid dreaming is one thing that, i've had it happen at random one or two times how can you channel that how can you induce that there are different ways of... One way is to look at the details in the environment like look at 30 details a day like and looking over up a hole in my wall where there used to be a nail or something yeah and

1:00:58 Looking at where a nail is sticking out in the wall and you look at thirty details. In the environment per day and next thing you know you'll be in your dream looking into detail and use of one detail on doing the drill oh i'm awake and when she become awake that's one way to become away, end it of course it's also a chicago practice because if you learn chicago you start doing chicago in the drain and then when you start doing chicken trying to maintain Your dream state and what you maintain the dream state that's challenging it's it's challenging but then once you can maintain their dreams date then. You can start to explore that area of your mind but that one simple way, you can also every time you look at a clock in real life you can say what time is this a dream can i fly in you look every time you see a clock in your life with time is this a dream can i fly

1:02:01 And that can wake you right up into a lucid state. It's such an interesting concept that our minds trick us into thinking something is real and we have to consciously, repetitiously ask ourselves if it is? And then one of these times we're going to look around and we will be in a dream but it's indistinguishable from real life. It's a fascinating element people don't explore dreams enough. Pretty strange Yeah, it's something you have to have a dedicated. I know there are certain substances like melatonin which are supplements that can help your dream state. The first melatonin I took I hated. I didn't like it. It made my dreams weird

1:02:46 It'll help you sleep as well. I had heard that some claims that an experiment at Montauk caused our reality to split and we've been living within a manufactured reality since then which gets into the same thing as some leading scientists talk about, the holographic universe in simulation theory. It also talks... it also you know relates to control matrix but what are your thoughts on that? What type.. what is reality? Are we with an artificial construct did come out of the Montauk project or you know is all just speculation

1:03:30 Well, you know people like to put forth theories to either try and figure stuff out or try and impress one of the other. And if you go back into Hindu mythology, the whole world is an illusion they call it Maya so it's all illusory even the Tibetans talk about the primordial essence of non-existence everything based upon nonexistence This world we see is fallacious. So, to say that Montauk is the creation of an artificial reality... Well certainly it was creating an artificial reality or a superimposed reality from within one but yes were all participants in a virtual reality but the only reason reality is important is because we have answer to

1:04:31 We have to answer to it. If you don't eat, you're going to suffer so we're hostage to reality because if we do not take responsibility for our interactions with it, we will experience suffering So if we don't want to suffer, we have to pay homage to reality and we may not have to pay homage to a God but we have the page homage to reality and one of the most elusive Or most challenging gods in Greek mythology was Cronos or we call him Saturn and Saturn was the he ate all his pupils because he's time. He represents Chronos time so, you know, he eats the pupil So when you get to time you're going like well time who got so much time how much time do you have any physical body?

1:05:28 Now, one can go into the precept of reincarnation and say wow I'm going to reincarnate so i'll learn in all this. But now in this paradigm all these literature that I've been writing and publishing is telling us by the phenomena or stories encountered that maybe we don't have to stop We don't have to die in the same way we thought we would die. This is giving us hope and helping us have a new paradigm, so it's life extension or the concept of life extension that she gone supplements that because you know your organs are what basically cause old age they fail well if they're getting if your breathing with all of your lungs

1:06:21 which feed the organ, each lobe of the lung feeds an organ. You're not gonna die if you're breathing. Most people aren't breathing. They're breathing like with five 10% of their lung capacity if they're doing a lot to do in 10%. And this just doesn't work so you can elongate your life through practical means of breathing but there's also these alchemical principles which are the subject of Transylvanian Moonrise which suggest and even longer capacity to live That's so the artificial reality all fits into that construct, but I'm saying is because somebody says this is a reality that reality it's much more complicated than just somebody saying at that. But yes, It's all tied to an artificial reality that we're creating that we have to answer too. I hope that answered your question. Yeah yeah of course

1:07:08 Well, man. It's kind of about that time I really appreciate you coming on to talk about this stuff with me And we've been kind of all over the place Montauk the Romanian Hall of Records Qi Gong lucid dreams But that's the way I like it You know, I like it to be a casual conversation some interesting stuff comes out that I didn't think I'd hear about That's great Um so yeah Thank you for having me The website again is sky books USA comm if anybody would like any of the books Of course Of course, man. Amazon and many bookstores across the country Yeah And is there anything that though anything you want to elaborate on and that you're working on next that people should be? The next one ready for the next book is called Which will be out sometime next year The white bat the alchemy of writing which will have this story that propelled all of this happening and then where it leads which we'll discuss my

1:08:00 adventures in Romania this year. And I will be also making a shorter report in the newsletter Montauk Pulse, which is available through the website if anybody would like it. I also have a blog which...I don't...I'm not too active on the blog but does have a lot of interesting information on there and I do try to answer questions on it. It's called digitalmontauk.com Excellent, man. Well when that next book comes out hopefully you'll come back and talk to us about it It's fascinating stuff Certainly I appreciate your time and enjoy the day Thank you very much Alright have a good one

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