THC 57: Foster Gamble | Thrive, Free Energy Suppression, & ET Contact

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. But we're 30 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlowitz on The Hireside Chats Welcome to the show, Hireside Chatter's drinking a little drink smoking a little smoke. From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood today we're going to be talking about Foster Gamble the main attraction at this year's ConspiracyCon and creator of The Thrive Documentary as well as The Thrive Movement which is attempting to move us from the matrix of corruption manipulation slavery into a system that works with rather than against the natural state of the planet which should be thriving

00:58 But before we bring them in, we're going to catch up a bit with THC co-host and contributor Kyle Perneville. Kyle my man how's it hanging? I'm doing really well despite the chaos. Yeah there is a lot of weird crazy shit going on out there our rights are definitely being infringed upon domestic terrorists are being assassinated without trial but you know Kitchen Nightmares was cool this week yeah that was a good one solid episode so what's up with you man Um, I don't know. Speaking of TV, I've been getting into this show Adventure Time Really? I've heard about that show but it seems kind of juvenile

01:40 I think on one level it is, like some episodes have that appeal but there's a dual theme because some episodes have such rich symbolism and deep meaning. I'm like blown away with some of them. I ponder these episodes for days afterwards trying to figure out what they meant Really? Do you have an example of that So there's this one episode where Jake and Finn are the main characters. They're the boy and the dog, OK? And they're trying to build a battle dock kind of like doc you go through it as all these obstacles super dangerous and then you jump into the water. And so they it's taken them forever but an iceberg comes in. These businessmen are found. They saw him out. Then these businessmen are all wearing suits and have briefcases and they immediately want to go to work

02:31 and so Jake and Finn decide to put them to work, and these guys build the battle dock for them. This is the first thing that they do And their great at it, but finish it in no time It's just cool because the metaphor for this, then Jake and Finn actually go through the dock They're jumping over obstacles, there's saw blades axes trying to you know chop them up they get cut and bruised. They jump through this fire ring and they just barely escape and they get into the water and then they're like huffing and puffing all bruised and we're like whoa that was sweet but on the surface that means nothing that episode moves on but I think about this what the businessmen were able

03:13 create was something that was dangerous, was extremely risky. Was only fun because you felt like you were gonna die and at the end of it was ultimately pointless and even if you succeed you come out damaged. Yeah! That's what businessmen do. That is what businessmen are fucking great at. That's what they've constructed this whole world to be Yeah, I mean that's cool there it you used to see that symbolism that dual Dual meaning the double entendre and a lot of old Looney Tunes cartoons But I feel like that's kind of lost in a lot of today's bullshit but Adventure Time definitely has a following and I wonder if that's part of the reason why but I can't get past that shitty animation What's up with you man?

04:04 You know, same old same old doing the thing. But a mutual friend of ours Fernando is going to be coming out to San Diego to visit and apparently this is gonna be my initiation into the world DMT. Oh well congratulations! Yeah you know I'm kind of psyched about that on the heels of your last article for THC helpful tips for psychedelic trips You've obviously been experienced. You've been initiated into the DMT cult if you will, but what do you think I should expect? I'm kind of psyched. I'm kind of nervous But uh...I'm definitely ready! I feel like got a lot more knowledge about it than a lot other people Do before they go into it maybe but what do you think? What should I be ready for?

04:49 Well, I borrowed the DMT Spirit Molecule book by Rick Strassman from you. True! And so that was sweet and one thing that they go into in that book during the sessions is that because it's a laboratory setting it can become kind of like uncomfortable or that sometimes interferes with the experience people have and so tying in with my article what I would say is just do Relaxing setting this is not I mean, it's not like acid. It's not like mushrooms or something You're not gonna pop some DMT and then go hang out at a bar or anything like that Like we're gonna lay down and part of you is going to die And you are going to face your own death in a certain way Understanding that like it's not a physical actual dying but it's some kind of transformation where? leave

05:41 all sensory experience and delve into a new form of sensory experience that once you're there really feels like words are impossible to define what it actually was that happened. But, you're gonna enjoy it man I don't know what to tell you to expect I don't know how it actually translates in the language Well when you've done it What was the most unexpected thing to you if you can even say? My reflections now that after the first time I experienced permanent or at least lasting, I can't say permanent but lasting over a long duration of my life. The course of my life is steered into a more emotionally honest point-of-view. I'm more honest with myself. I cry more freely at random things like not

06:33 not random, but when meaning comes at me in my life. When I notice coincidences and synchronicities and things happen in a certain order that it's almost impossible how events lined up this way That really touches me And I release truth and honesty You know, sometimes it scares people. Like I worked this last job and just quit the day that I decided to just quit because I cried in front of everybody and these other dudes... My God! Do you think they've never seen a guy cry before? Yeah, i mean its definitely something thats kind of frowned upon. Guys can't be pussies man

07:14 Guys gotta buddy is so good at playing this. Hey, nobody ever cries bullshit and we pretend okay We can all I can hang with that. I'm a guy but after you smoke DMT man It might be like you know what fuck that game? I'm tired of that game and sometimes I got to cry Yeah, I mean if it makes you more genuine that's obviously a positive thing. I just recently read a McKenna quote that was pretty good and probably relevant to deal with this society and keep your sanity requires a certain level of alienation And that is kind of what you are talking about That's alienation for the people who face it, who face truth. Or you can just numb and this is what the majority and this is what even people who are awakened or going down the path they numb themselves to everybody self medicates to some degree but like numbing emotion numbing how you actually feel not expressing what you actually want to say like all that stuff there's a certain level of numbing you have to do to fit in with society

08:16 Oh, I'm 100% gonna be totally alienated. Yeah. I mean, I totally agree that the numbing aspect I mean that is the nine-to-five for most people? I mean I inside a lot of days I try not to be I try to control the emotion but A lot of times inside I am boiling at the bullshit and the stupidity of what I'm dealing with their work But of course like hey how you doing welcome anything I can help you find You guys doing all right today All right And you know, I fucking hate that shit. You know because inside i'm just like wow I am a slave. I'm a fucking organ grinding monkey You know? I'm just collecting change for some other dude We we talk about that kind of shit a lot but I am excited to do DMT I feel like it's something that a person in my position kinda needs to do and

09:09 You know, we'll see how it goes. I appreciate him bringing it out but I'm definitely prepared for something somewhat similar to Salvia but more intense and we'll see how it goes. But Foster Gamble is calling me right now so I'm going to not answer that call but at least wrap up this and then bring him in Alright, well it looks like Foster is here as planned so let's get him in here after I torture you once again with the same boring ad for my conspiracy t-shirt brand Conspiratees. Right now it's the only way to really support this show other than a donation via PayPal on The Higher Side Chat website and It's something that helps me immensely And...I've worked really hard to have designs at a level of quality that I'm really proud of and Kyle can vouch for the quality Can you not?

12:24 Here we go, Hireside Chatters. Joining Kyle and I today is Foster Gamble the man behind The Thrive Movie which follows Foster's path of awakening to the big conspiracy from the discovery of a natural and sustainable energy system which appears throughout nature and is embedded in ancient sites and modern day crop circles to the realization that this information has been aggressively suppressed by multinational corporations and the banking elite because it would all but shatter Foster, welcome to THC. How are you?

13:10 I'm doing great Greg, thanks for having me on. Absolutely! It's a real pleasure my man and I am huge fan of the make-a documentary and follow up with the movement strategy which only really see it with you guys in the Zeitgeist Movement Venus Project but y'all do a great job showing how screwed up our society is that it's not a coincidence that things won't be fixed until we have some really radical changes to the system itself Well, that was our intention actually with the movie. The movie was intended to be a flyer for the... I mean trailer for the website because you know even if you see a movie three or four times which a lot of people are with Thrive because it's very information rich still then you've seen the movie and then what? We didn't want

13:54 you know, wake people up to a lot of bad news and abandon them. So we really wanted to provide the tools on the website for people getting as informed as they need to and then being facilitated in getting active but you can't really be effective in the solutions unless you know what's going on Of course. You know, what sets Thrive apart is the central theme of the Torres Energy Field. That's obviously not found in those other films with a similar theme but let's get the party started there! Can you kind of explain a bit what the Torres Energy Field is and tell us how you were able to learn about this energy system amongst all the attempts to keep it covered up?

14:33 Sure, that's one of my favorite topics. Because really it is the icon of wholeness and I think wholeness is the key to all of these solutions and the Taurus, this is not the astrological sign, the Taurus is a donut shaped whirlpool vortex that it turns out is the single pattern that nature uses to sustain a healthy system as far as we can tell at every known level of the universe. You know, from subatomic particles to clusters of galaxy its all toroidal fields and including fruits and humans in planets in between. So

15:14 It's not just an interesting scientific phenomenon. If our evolutionary imperative really to survive, much less thrive on a healthy planet right now is to learn how to create sustainable systems then I think it would be really useful if we had a template if we had a blueprint for how to do that well the universe in turns out as providing one at every place we can look if we simply learn how to see And I was first introduced to this by, I would say a mystical experience when I was 14 years old and riding on a school bus and gazing out the window. And I think that the blinking lights through of the sun through the tree probably helped put me in kind of a trance like state. And I had been pondering a lot of questions about energy because I was really afraid of nuclear holocaust

16:06 after being trained in duck and cover. I was in elementary school, I figured that wasn't going to work. So anyway, I'm riding along the school bus and all of a sudden I am seeing this vision out the window of this vortex that is an atom. And I'm seeing this hot nucleus in the center with electrons going around on the outside. Then it morphed into solar system with hot sun at the center and planets are going outside And I somehow got the sense that those two patterns were not only the same, but I was somehow that same pattern roughly halfway between in scale between a tiny atom and vast solar system. And I became, I would say obsessed with that pattern and I would spend all my free time after sports in the afternoon up in the physics lab building this sculpture

17:03 Nobody knew what I was building including me But I was taking blocks of glass that would reflect refract a strong light beam and I kept arranging them until the it refracted the beam all the way around in a circle until The light went in on itself and just created this glowing circle And I turned off the lights, and I knew that that was it. That's what I had to build you know I felt like The guy in Close Encounters of the Third Kind who had to build a mountain out of mashed potatoes. I don't know what this is, but my friends were saying it's beautiful but what is it? And I said that might be the fundamental energy pattern of the universe

17:39 So, I went to my physics teacher and he said thank goodness what a fascinating idea. Let me know you keep following that let me know what you come up with. I just didn't know how it's going be following it for the next 50 years but really led to the movie Thrive and reason we started with is because it is template for solutions As we have looked at the problems, anybody who's gone on our website and sees that we explore all of what we call the 12 main sectors of human endeavor. And we've explored them all in depth. We've identified the most critical issues. We followed the money in every issue and every sector recommend solution strategies. What we found was that the good news is that every one of those problems is human made

18:29 Therefore, it can be human fix. It's not like we've got some giant meteor coming toward planet Earth or something like that. These are all things that we've done either through intention or our own ignorance and what we have basically done is break apart whole systems whether its an economic system, an agricultural system, an ecosystem a media system whatever... We have broken the wholeness But if we look to the principles that are embedded in the Torah, principles like centeredness, integrity, balance, reciprocal flow of energy in and out. Things like that then we can look to see how do we redesign our own systems in a healthy

19:11 a whole way. And you asked about the energy application, what I found in my pursuit of new physics for decades was that I was finally led to some inventors who were aware of this toroidal dynamic and were applying it with absolutely exquisite technologies that were accessing energy in a clean safe and limitless way As opposed to our usual ways of accessing energy, which is burning things or crushing things or exploding things. It's a very old macho paradigm of control and manipulation and what we've mentioned in the movie is that the opportunity now is to learn how to have more feminine approach, more accepting of what nature is able to be humble enough to dance with that pattern

20:02 So, I've visited many so-called free energy or new energy labs and the ones that are being successful every single one of them before and after the movie are somehow creating and mimicking this toroidal pattern and then just tuning the device into a level of resonance with its environment, almost like you know couple guitarists tuning up. And when you hit those right frequencies the universe just starts pouring out as much energy as you need out at these systems so it's not just a wonderful technology its an actual paradigm shift if we blend with the way energy moves in the universe there is infinite abundance

20:46 Yeah, it's interesting that you mentioned the masculine and feminine aspects to this energy because in the pre-show we and Kyle were just talking about how his experiences with psychedelics have kind of opened up an emotional blockage that is kind of perpetuated by our society. That men should be more bottled up and its kinda the feminine energy that allows for a wide range of emotions so thats an interesting tie-in but Let me just follow up on that for a second because it is such a core and important point. These devices are wonderful, but really ultimately we're talking about aligning with our own life force, with our consciousness, with our emotions, with our thinking, with our breathing and so forth. I think that's a great example of whether you're trying out

21:37 In theogens, you know psychotropics which will alter your consciousness and give you a glimpse of other realms or whether you're doing it in meditation or therapy or sports or dancing or whatever Quality of aligning with resonating with the life force that opens up the possibility of really a thriving life at all scales. So I just wanted to shine a light on what Kyle said, because I don't think there's a more important point especially bringing it back to our own human lives Absolutely. Well said yourself, but as far as the free energy is concerned you know this is a topic of intense debate among people in my life that I've tried to introduce to the conspiracy world because a lot of times people look at everything that's screwed up and they know it's screwed up but they accept it because they're under the impression

22:28 Alternative energy sources are underdeveloped and too costly. So to really make the leap from, well the governments and companies are doing the best they can with what they have to something like no, they're purposely suppressing free energy technologies that could wield unlimited power and energy for everyone and they keep us shackled under a grid of their control... To make that leap really requires the fact that this technology in these devices already now You know, but what have you seen from your research that could make the case to people who might not be all the way convinced yet? Well, there's a few things that you can say that help with the discussion but nothing is going to convince a lot of people until they're sitting in front of a device which isn't plugged in and it's just pouring out clean energy. And I know the first time when I took my wife to one of the labs and she saw for the first time she just started crying! You know? It was such a moving experience to realize

23:22 the beauty of nature in that way and to realize that human beings have learned how to access that. There is no necessity to be burning fossil fuels, polluting the skies and causing asthma, fighting over taking oil from other people's land and all this stuff it's totally obsolete in terms of what's actually manifest right now. So it is much more, actually a political and strategic challenge than it is a technical one I can't talk about specific devices at this point because It wouldn't be safe for the inventors and also under non-disclosure agreements with virtually all of the best inventors but I can simply say my own opinion from my own experience And I visited labs with

24:06 know, highly skilled scientists physicists engineers and so forth is that the technology is available. My sources tell me that the shadow government has had this technology for at least 50 or 60 years and that's one of the reasons why they know who to suppress, because they know that this technology is real so that if they find out about someone accessing it in the correct fashion and being successful. Unfortunately in the past those people have gotten their doors kicked down and they've been threatened and their equipment has been stolen repeatedly and some of the inventors have

24:47 been injured or killed or just disappeared. So it's a very, very real situation that we're in right now and that's why these inventors need to be so careful. But someone asked me in an interview recently what did I think would be the kind of time frame for this? And I just found what came out of my mouth was I honestly believe from what i'm seeing that within five years there will be at least 200 companies around the world who are selling various types of over unity new energy devices. Wow yeah, that's huge we actually had a guest not long ago Stan Dayo who has a wild story about

25:31 creating flying saucers using a similar type of vortex and you know once he was talking about possibly filing a patent that's when people in suits came to him and said, you know Maybe we should just show you what we're working on You know because you're stumbling upon it And it is weird but that it almost seems like that patent system is a gateway To you know really highlighting who's messing around with stuff that the government might not want to mess it around with Exactly. The patent office has basically taken over 5,000 patents applications for alternative energy devices and just forbidden their inventors to continue

26:13 So, you know the obvious question is why is that when we're having all these struggles over oil? Why don't they just let this stuff come through. But I think your listeners would have a very sophisticated understanding of the fact that first of all these technologies which can democratize energy so quickly where people can have independent off-the-grid devices that run their homes, their villages, their cities whatever That threatens the multi-trillion dollar piggy bank of the oil, gas, coal and nuclear industries which still want to be able to sell their oil.

26:50 the resources that they're controlling. So, that's level one. Level two is those industries are also controlled by the same kind of central banking families that we described when we followed the money in Thrive and those people aren't just interested in money they're interested in controlling people's lives through energy as well as food, media and education money etc. But the last reason that I'll mention because some of the people in the conspiracy realm have not necessarily explored the ET domain very much. And Adam Trombley says it very clearly in our movie that the suppression of free energy and the suppression of UFO and ET information goes hand-in-hand because if people recognize that

27:40 there are beings here from other planets, other solar systems, other galaxies much less other dimensional realms. The first thing they're going to ask is how'd they get here? I don't think they're burning Chevron fossil fuel for 30 thousand years to come from the nearest solar system. So they're obviously accessing energy from anywhere in space and have developed some sort of fuel-less propulsion, and this ties in with the comment that you said your prior guest had mentioned. That also the free energy devices tend to go hand in hand with anti gravity devices because when you start rotating these magnetic fields at certain frequencies they will number one develop a low pressure area above them

28:34 and start to rise. And secondly, they will tend to disconnect from the from the space-time continuum that we're accustomed to. And that's why there are just hundreds and hundreds of reputable UFO sightings where people talk about these ships going thousands of miles an hour, all of a sudden making a right angle turn which would obviously in traditional physics crush any being that was inside even the materials themselves so something else is going on I've had the privilege to talk with some very credible

29:10 people who have been either abducted or invited onto ET ships. And several of them were offered the opportunity, because of the relationship that was developed to be shown the drive on the ship And that's what we illustrate with the computer graphics, Briefly and Thrive also. Every single one of them has repeated this story about this same double torus rainbow dynamic that not only propels the ship but it creates an independent gravitational field around the ship that protects anyone who is in it. Yeah! It is really hard to

29:55 find a clear narrative when it comes to the extraterrestrial information because even as far back as Nikola Tesla, people were talking about he had credited some of his discoveries with messages from other beings. There's a lot of speculation that this Taurus energy is the same kind of thing that helped build the pyramids And I guess where it gets kind of weird is you've got abduction stories that are positive, like the ones you're describing. Then you've got some that are extremely negative with harnessing or extracting DNA and extracting... messing with their sexual organs to create hybrids. As you know there's tons of disinformation in this realm. It's hard to really know what's true and what's not true but

30:40 I find it hard to believe that if they're trying to present us with this information, that it would be so mild. I feel like they would do it in a bolder way Do you have any explanation for why it's so subtle? You mean from the point of view of extraterrestrial beings? Right, like it's... The contact seems very subtle in the form of crop circles or you know small-scale abductions. Yes well I'm certainly not an expert in this area but I've been looking into it for quite a while and particularly since Thrive I've had the opportunity to speak to some very knowledgeable people

31:21 Where I'm leaning is to the understanding that there are many species. of other beings who are visiting us. There are the five most commonly spoken of beings from people, from cultures all over the world are you know the greys and the felines and reptilians and the mantids and the Nordics There are many other species I think as well. Jacques Vallée, one of the premier researchers says that probably 80% of extraterrestrial contact is simply telepathic it's not actual incarnate beings in some sort of material ships flying around it's actually simply beings that are on different frequency levels who are connecting with us in our consciousness and

32:17 Becoming more and more common people are doing this channeling and downloading this information so forth all over the world And there's a you know, there's a lot of hoaxters out there but there's also a lot of people who are very genuine in this very skilled and the information that they're bringing through is quite consistent. One of the things that they talk about is that these various ET species have different agendas So, from our point of view some of them may feel very benevolent others might feel even abusive. And I asked John Mack who was the Harvard psychiatrist who kind of literally wrote the book on the credibility of UFO ET abductions. I asked him and got a chance to meet him before he was killed recently.

33:08 I asked him that question, are ETs benevolent since they're obviously way more advanced than we are in terms of technology. So I'm assuming in aspects of consciousness and he said well you don't assume that because look how far human beings are beyond rats in terms of the evolution of our consciousness and then look how some of us treat them in our laboratories So some of them are here doing experiments or looking for a habitable planet, or looking to gather some of the resources that we have on our planet that they need. And there are others who are here to protect us."

33:47 from some of those other species or from flares from the sun or whatever, or from nuclear weapons. There's evidence on all the things that I just mentioned so I've come from thinking that little green men for Mars is a crazy notion to recognize and then of course there is intelligent life in this almost boundless cosmos to realizing we're actually probably living pretty much in Star Wars bar and

34:29 contracts made between the shadow government and certain ET species to keep things secret for a certain length of time while that shadow government was learning from their technologies and making certain trades with them, and so forth. So it's a very complex issue that I think is starting to come out more and more rapidly now as many countries...I think there are 15 countries which have actually opened their UFO files And that recent citizen hearing that took place just a couple weeks ago in in Washington DC had fantastic expert testimony that's going to be turned into a feature-length film that's gonna tour in theaters and so forth. So the time is definitely coming

35:11 It's very exciting. All of these people are kind of finding new ways of saying it because I feel like for so long our cultural belief systems about this topic prevented us from ever exploring it honestly and everybody who was into this was dismissed as being crazy or some kind of, you know all these different terms that television used to try make people feel paranoid about what they had experienced, but it has gone by so many names. I think about... you're talking about the possibility that there's all these different alien humanoids with different agendas communing with people and

35:54 How similar that is in my mind to when you get inspiration when you have a new idea It's like you suddenly come upon a thought where did that come from? When they wrote like the Odyssey and Iliad, I've talked about this in previous episodes But they talked about it in those times There was a consciousness that people kind of felt like the gods were communing with them. You could it kind of like, I don't know. We're trying to explain what this phenomenon is but science has prevented us from exploring it for so long that everything immediately gets dismissed as like oh here we go again with this nonsense but really we're encroaching upon it It's coming from every direction and its almost going to overgrow these belief systems are gonna have to decay because they no longer serve us as a collective

36:59 Well this goes back to that same agenda we were talking about with the suppression of UFO information and free energy and that type of thing because I believe that the ultimate suppression is of people's consciousness. Because if children are supported in being healthy critical thinkers, then they're going to be questioning the whole notion of authority and our culture is set up so that through the state-run schools and through the churches, basically people are indoctrinated from a very young age virtually every day of the week. Six days of the week for a lot of people many hours a day into believing in things that they might not otherwise believe in. And the fundamental tenet of both the church and most churches and of the government

37:52 You're not whole and sufficient, and therefore we're going to have authority over you. We're gonna take care of you but we're also gonna have to tell you what you need to believe. We're gonna tell you what's true and we're gonna tell you what you can't do. And we're gonna take some your stuff basically whenever we want." As people are waking up... Kimberly I've had the privilege to be traveling in over 30 cities in the last year with the Thrive movie and with Solutions workshops and so forth. And everywhere we go, it's packed houses of people who get it because they've watched Thrive or they've listened to shows like yours other independent sources of media and they're doing their own thinking and they're waking up in there. They have been going through that challenge

38:42 wow, this is tough information. I'm not sure I want to know this but maybe I should and they're talking with their friends and then some of their friends might start to reject them because they're talking about stuff that's been insulted and demeaned in our culture so it's a real challenge to wake up but we are really heartened by the fact that millions and millions of people are waking up across the planet as they wake up, they wanna take action So that's where the whole conspiracy movement, that you're so familiar with has really kind of tilled the soil.

39:19 so that the seeds of real solutions could find fertile ground and then really grow. And that's what I'm going to be talking about at the Conspiracy Con, is that The Thrive Movement is intended to be in a sense the antidote to the conspiracy or conspiracies. So we're literally looking to turn the conspiracies inside out, the global domination agenda And if you took a glove, if you took a left-handed glove and turned it inside out. You'd look at it and see a right handed glove because its literally reversed itself. We're in the sense doing the same thing because in my decades of research I came to realize that despite what people think or want to believe The people running the agenda are not stupid or incompetent

40:16 They are very smart, they're really shrewd. They're also really nasty but they're very competent in trying to accomplish their agenda What they lack is the wisdom, the heart, the connection of life force The ability to love and tell the truth an all that kind stuff So there's a significant disadvantage ultimately But interimly they've conned the whole planet into giving them power over money and military, and media, and all the rest of it. So they're in a tremendous position of control, and it's well documented that they have set out to take over all of the 12 sectors that we identify—and that's education, and media, and science, and arts, and economics, and governance—really the whole picture. And they are almost done with that task.

41:07 Wanting to offer through the thrive movement and that just the tools and information that we make available is The opportunity to be just as organized to really approach all 12 sectors, but to approach it with the goal of liberation rather than domination and to align it with the life force rather than go against the life force. And to have the movement be really transparent rather than secret society covert hidden agendas. People are responding so enthusiastically to that opportunity

41:43 And I'll say one more thing about that, which is it's not just an idea. As we were making Thrive, we had actually worked with Barbara Marks Hubbard and a number of other organizations and kind of thought leaders for over a decade in developing this 12-sector model. In 2007, Kimberly and I live in Santa Cruz. In 2007 these planes started coming out of Monterey which is the neighboring county and droning over our heads at night and dropping unknown chemicals

42:21 over the entire county. And they announced in the news that this was a very safe thing, it was just a synthetic pheromone, you know as a scent just to confuse certain moth that was gonna be devastating California agriculture and it was perfectly safe except we would probably good idea stay indoors and close your windows So, of course we got very suspicious of this and babies started getting sick and birds started dropping out of the sky. Bees were dying by the masses. Fish were washing up on the shores of the streams in oceans nearby so people are kind of running around a lot of them are running around kinda panic about this whole thing and it...we weren't really being affected

43:11 So finally, Kimberly bless her heart said why don't we gather some of the local activist leaders in our living room and show them this sector model and see if that would help get organized. So a few days later, we had 30 people in our living room. We showed them this sector model and they loved it so three nights after that we had a town hall meeting in Santa Cruz where 300 people showed up and we had some informative lectures from some experts on toxic sprays and so forth. And then we had 12 sign up tables So, the lawyers could go sign up. If they wanted to do something about this, the lawyers could sign up at the justice table and the artists at the arts table and reporters investigated and so forth can sign up at the media table. We had scientists and environmentalists. And we formed teams. I was on the economics team because I've had a lot of experience following money.

44:08 So anyway, that day was when random well-meaning but ineffective activism turned into like a laser beam of effectiveness. And within a few weeks I had followed the money back to the source and unfortunately it was just what i suspected It was a personal earmark from George Bush Jr to appropriate up to a billion dollars from Homeland Security, run it through the USDA which is totally in bed with Monsanto and gets royalties on GMO foods and so forth. Then that would go through the California Department of Food and Agriculture and then they would spray us with this stuff. Well, the first thing we did was we did a petition and got Governor Schwarzenegger

44:54 stop the spray, you know interimly and make them tell us what was in it because they had refused to. Well, it turned out there were 10 chemicals and 6 of them were toxic. There were cancer causing agents, mutagens which alter your genes and endocrine disruptors which can render you infertile so its exactly the kind of dumbing down making sick depopulation agenda that I had been really afraid but not willing to speak publicly about because people hadn't seen Thrive and most people would have thought I was completely nuts Anyway, the long and short of it is that our scientists went to New Zealand where they had a previous incident. Environmentalists started collecting data. The doctors were checking out people's health issues and so forth

45:41 The mothers got involved in protests. We had a protest that took over the Golden Gate Bridge one day, and within six months we had entirely stopped the program. We had won one lawsuit and another big one was pending. And at that time Schwarzenegger pulled out his support for for the spraying plan, and ultimately they declared a moratorium on the spraying. And at $1 billion program direct from the president and Homeland Security was stopped with volunteer activity in probably about 30 to 40 thousand dollars in funding so it's a really clear example of how important it is for us to be organized. In fact

46:30 Our kind of main trophy for this, besides clean skies was that we threw a Freedom of Information Act request. We got some internal emails from the CDFA and one of them said you know were kind of shocked we were expecting some resistance from Santa Cruz but we had no idea they'd be so well organized So that's the same strategy now, that we're looking to teach budding solutionaries all over the world. And probably in late summer or early fall we're going to be launching a global campaign to teach people over the internet how to use this model and we are going to use chemtrails as an example because basically chemtrail is the same issue it has got the same sort of toxins in it but instead being done over

47:18 you know, 11 counties and 7 million people in Northern California. It's being done around the entire globe from 30,000 feet instead of 1,000 feet but it is really the same type of agenda and we can stop that issue in that same way but more importantly these types of strategies can be used in any issue and on our solutions hub which we launched on our website over six months ago. There are now over 750 groups have signed up from around the world and they're working on over 120 different issues

47:56 and in 90 different countries. And now through our website, they're beginning to connect with each other and share best practices so if somebody's done a lawsuit they can share that paperwork if somebody has done a petition or they've got flyers or artwork or health information or whatever everybody doesn't have to be recreating the same wheel people can just learn from each other and then also tie together through all of these sectors throughout the world Wow, man. Yeah I mean that's pretty inspiring in that story you and you make some excellent points You know on on one hand? I get super frustrated that we're being manipulated Meanwhile We're having a debate if it's even going on but then on the other hand you can get lost and just analyzing the manipulation And just identifying at deeper and deeper levels and you know like you said That's not really getting anyone anywhere either so it was really important to turn it into something solutions based

48:51 which, you know the Thrive Movement seems to be the way to go. I mean when i was involved in the Occupy movement they had a similar setup in terms of different groups media law outreach and The problem there is that it just seemed paralyzed by a lack of leadership because everyone is so used to being told what to do. Here's a bunch of willing people standing around saying, if someone would just tell me what to do I'll go and do it but you know it was just paralyzed by inaction And of course, the police were not. One of the approaches that we're taking is not to try and create and grow and manage some big global organization that's centrally controlled. That's exactly one of the major problems on our planet. So from the get-go, we have wanted to empower self creating movements

49:42 So we're not out there telling anybody what to do. And if people want to join into our network, they only need to agree two things. One is if they are using sectors, we ask that they use the same sector names because that allows us to coordinate very powerfully worldwide and secondly their solutions no include any violations So that it's not a matter of creating some new tax or going out with, you know, a militia to force people to do something. You know, using force to protect individual rights might be necessary at points. And I totally support that if it's needed. But using force to tell anyone what to do or take their money against their will is absolutely the problem that has taken our civilization to the brink of total self-destruction. So I encourage people if you're interested go browse, go to thrivemovement.com

50:41 and then go to the get involved section. And you'll see in that section there's something called engage in solutions And when you go to that page, you'll be able to see the different groups from all over the world. You can search by zip code or by sector or by issue and find the people who are already working on what you want to work on and then see do you want to learn from them? Do you have things to share with them? Do you want to join one of those groups? Do you want to start your own group? It's really about empowering people to self-create not telling anyone what to do

51:18 That's awesome. I mean, I love that approach and it is something I've considered doing and if we could build free energy devices it would be a lot easier but have you ever considered saying look, I'm not getting any younger this system is too established and powerful to overcome quickly so were going buy big plot of land in some tropical place without much government where gonna build some free energy devices organic gardens and built perfect free society And then just invite more people until expands to size that can't be shut down Have you ever considered something like that? No, absolutely. I think it's a great idea because it starts building the communities and the knowledge base and the skills, the alternative whole systems approaches to energy into community into food and all of that kind of stuff. It is an embodiment of the kinds of approaches we need to have already functioning

52:13 and growing when the old systems collapse, because the old systems are collapsing very dramatically. And it's not just incompetence. The powers that be as far as I can tell they want the economy to collapse. They want the food systems to collapse. You know? They want the independence of the Internet to collapse and so forth. I'm not under the illusion that there's anywhere in the world where you can really go and hide a very large community that is running on free energy and liberty principles. But at the same time, this is the right time to be creating them. And I think that very soon there will be so many of them that they can't be shut down. The old powers are losing their power

52:58 so that the Western banking cabal that's been running this fiat Federal Reserve system is crumbling as we speak. Their banks are hundreds of trillions of dollars in debt, and they're in debt to not only other corporations, individuals all of that but also to Asian countries who've been loaning most of the money to make that possible and are continuing on an ongoing basis. So fortunately my sources tell me that there are very large and well-funded groups in China in Japan and Indonesia the Philippines and so forth who

53:50 coming closer and closer to sharing some vast wealth with the world in very humanitarian ways, and using the leverage that they've got through the gold that they own, through the nuclear weapons that they have in them. You know, the million-man armies to protect themselves from the scourge of the kind of imperialist invasions that have been going on over the last 50 years And they are interested, I'm being told in not only converting the world to asset-backed economies which are going to be way better than these fiat currencies which put all the power in the hands of a few. But they're also interested in using their wealth to fund the best humanitarian projects that they can find around the planet. Now, I've been hearing this from

54:44 Quite reliable, but still private sources for quite a while. And now I'm beginning to see things come out even in the public media that are showing evidence of this. There's a woman who used to be a general counsel to the World Bank, a woman named Karen Hudez who just came out a few days ago announcing this, that there are banks all over the world that are already in the process of converting to not only using precious metals as currency but using them as the backing of paper currency. And I think this is getting to a level now where it's unstoppable. So it's going to be a dynamic transition

55:29 But just what you said, I think the more people are building their own community. Just like the Free State Project in New Hampshire and Galt's Gulch down in Chile and they're emerging all over the place. And these are the seeds of literally the thriving cultures of the future based on the principles of integrity and wholeness Yeah, let's on the subject of banking because that's something that's a huge huge thing for me I mean the Venus project and the zeitgeist movements have pretty much convinced me That you're really weed out greed corruption and power struggles. We have to overcome any monetary system which of course has its own challenges But yeah, of course you want to do away with a fractional reserve system but in your perfect world How is a monetary system being used? I mean how can you protect its integrity in the long run if

56:20 Well, it's a really important point. And I did a blog on this recently and I've been in contact with Peter Joseph and some of the other people from the Zeitgeist Movement because I really admire so much of what they've done that it has just been a huge wake-up call to the planet, that series of movies and movement. It turns out that this is one area getting rid of money that I am not in alignment with their approach Because I think that the problem is not money. The problem is dishonest money, and you know, I've invited some of them whom I've talked to recently to just start using no money anytime they want and see how it goes. So if you need a program for your computer or a new computer and you're living in the fields of Kansas and what you got is a lot of corn and cows

57:17 And you try to affect that trade with someone from somewhere else on the planet who happens to have made just the program or the hardware that you need, good luck in accomplishing that. There's a lot of inconveniences. We don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. A real honest monetary system is genuinely an honest a medium of exchange. So instead of having to trade cows for software programs, you can actually trade some sort of currency or you can trade some sort of credits or you can trade bitcoins or whatever you want to call it. You can trade puka shells but at least you've got some sort of medium that's mutually recognized that makes it a heck of lot more convenient. What I ask the people from the Zeitgeist Movement is

58:09 Is this whole notion of moving beyond money voluntary or mandatory? because if it's mandatory, and I have real concerns about that because they talk about these re-education camps and so forth. Well you know that's what the Nazis talked about. That's what the US government did to the Japanese and so forth. That's scary stuff to me. And fortunately they have assured me some of them recently but no all of that in the circular city planning all messed up. That would all be voluntary with just being technical facilitation of progress I said, great. Then I'm all for it but the key word for me always is voluntary if somebody's trying to make me do something other than stop hurting someone else or taking their stuff then we've got the seeds of tyranny which have led us to the brink of destruction so i'm excited about

59:02 coordinating with movements like the Thrive Movement, because obviously there's tremendous potential for organization in the alignment of pre-existing groups. So one of things we're working on with The Solutions Hub is developing a protocol where groups can interact and share information without ever having to give up their own moral philosophy or the trust of their own Internet network because anyone who has a large following has developed that because people are aligned with their philosophy and they trust their behavior. So nobody wants to give that up, so you don't want to be forced to share information that you don't believe in. One of things we're doing is encouraging groups

59:49 to coordinate in networks, but then have the coordinators of the groups be able to gate any particular information that gets sent out. So if somebody sends me something about they've got this wonderful idea for a solution and all it'll take is another trillion dollars in taxes that's now gonna be laid on the backs involuntarily of the people well I don't have any interest in sending that out to my group and I would let them know that but that doesn't mean that I couldn't coordinate with them on other projects. In our three-stage solution strategy that we lay out briefly in the movie but in much more depth on the website, there are really three tracks and the first track honors the best of the progressive movement which is basically using other people's money to be compassionate you know take care of people who've been most

1:00:37 screwed over by the system, and to provide subsidies to go back to organic farming and to provide health care to those who are so damaged that they are not in a place of prosperity where they can afford it. But that's all at transition stage. And the money doesn't come from creating new theft from people's wages. It comes from money that is now being spent on waging war that unnecessary interest to a corrupt Federal Reserve. There's enough money in doing just the reduction of those two things,

1:01:14 or the elimination of those two things, to not only restore health prosperity and the environment in the United States but literally all over the world. So that's phase one. Meanwhile, phase two, or track two is already in process and that's the shrinking down of this involuntary government to just the protection of human rights and the commons. So, a government isn't out there telling you what you have to do. Their only role is to protect you from being violated and to protect the wholeness of ecosystems in the same way."

1:01:51 And then finally, I believe that there will be so much success and prosperity and security and freedom as those two phases are going along that people will finally realize that there are independent non-authoritarian ways to solve all of these problems and handle all the different systems and so forth such that we'll end up growing beyond any need for involuntary taxation or involuntary authoritarian government. Yeah, I'm really interested in these areas that we have to just by force. We have to play by these rules. We have to go along with it You gotta pay your taxes and you have to do everything that they're telling you to do It's all because we feel like

1:02:36 we're on board, it's kind of like you're on board the USS America. It's like hey we're all onboard the same ship but certain guys are in charge of this ship and certain guys own this ship but because you're on this ship you have to play by our rules otherwise we're kicking you off and you're basically gonna drown because if you're cutoff that's part of what the system does to people is just says well if you can't make it then you're the problem and it's your fault, and you're just a criminal. And now we'll just apply a label and say well... We don't really have to deal with these this whole class of people. made their own problems, but really it's that the government has no systems approach for actually caretaking for anybody or for the environment. Our happiness is just totally left out and nobody even addresses the fact that nobody is happy and we all have to self-medicate to deal with the way things are. But how do we get to honesty? How

1:03:38 How do we relax and how do you get a moment's rest? I know so many people are so busy. Like when do you get the time to be contemplative, to relax, to express how you're honestly frustrated with the way the world is Yes, and that situation that you're describing as you know is no accident if you want to control people You know you dumb them down. You keep them sick you you keep them in debt? You keep them afraid and confused And they're gonna be easier to control But you're not going to have a thriving world ultimately you're gonna have a revolution and hopefully it can be a peaceful yeah Revolution but really that's the opportunity that we have now To move beyond this whole illusion that anyone should have authority to coerce anyone else

1:04:21 else, and to use violence to initiate force for anything other than self-protection or the protection of the environment. So, I believe that's the most important conversation on the planet right now. It is the one I'm especially dedicated to being involved in for the rest of my life along with specific solutions and free energy and making people aware of the predicament we are in ultimately since all of these solutions are based on aligning with the Torah which is honoring wholeness

1:04:58 which is honoring the wholeness of human beings, therefore freedom. I really think all the solutions are based on that so as you mentioned i have the opportunity to speak at the conspiracy con coming up next weekend and I'll be there on Saturday, Sunday. I'll be there all weekend but I'll be speaking on Sunday afternoon and then participating in the speaker's panel at, I think it was last event on Sunday evening so I will be there if people want to come and hear my talk and involve themselves in that question-and answer but also have a booth where we can just chat about these kinds of issues because I've been very informed and supported

1:05:42 inspired by the whole conspiracy movement. And I think it's laid the groundwork where now we can take all that information and as I mentioned, turn it inside out and move on together towards these solutions learn how to have these conversations really effectively with people without losing our friendships. And I'll be talking about that in my talk there, and how to have these difficult conversations about these strange topics with people without totally turning them off. In fact getting on the same page and having them as allies. So I invite people to come to the conference and stop by and say hello if you can. I'm gonna need to leave in just a couple of minutes

1:06:26 So I want to thank you guys for having me on your show. I really admire what you're doing. that the lifeblood of the transformation that's needed is independent media and courageous people like yourselves who are willing to go anywhere in an honest, respectful, and on-purpose conversation. Oh thank you sir I appreciate that! Of course i'm going to be at The Conspiracy Con as well—I'm gonna be selling some T-shirts and definitely listening to the speakers. I made a point on the last episode talking about ConspiracyCon People really do need to support the alternative movement because you know, you see people spending hundreds of dollars to go to Coachella or hundreds of dollars to go to Burning Man which Burning Man is kind of a little bit more noble of a cause but You know I don't want to go to these conspiracy conferences and see them empty

1:07:16 you know, or see an older generation and no young people coming in taking the helm. Oftentimes I'm the youngest person at these lectures and here in San Diego we have Comic-Con coming up which is one of the biggest events in the country just so you can be the first one to see the new Spider Man trailer! Or pay money to go into what's considered a private mall where people are just selling Batman figurines You know, it's like you're paying money to get into a consumerist fest and there's no benefit to that. Well so spend your money come out into the conspiracy con better yourself learn some things buy some of my t-shirts, you know, the important things

1:07:59 Well, I'm happy to report that people don't need to deny themselves what they're particularly interested in. But what's happening is these various interests are starting to overlap and synergize. Kimberly and I have been invited to and gone to numerous festivals to present Thrive and discussions around these topics including Burning Man And what's happened is these festivals have been very effective in basically giving people a place to celebrate, a place to learn about themselves and be creative and meditate and dance. So it has raised the energy and the camaraderie to a very high level

1:08:44 And now what they have done is taken that level and really said amongst themselves, okay we need to take this energy into transforming the outside world as well. Because I was surprised frankly that they were inviting us all these conferences but we've been really well received by very I'm seeing an integration going on. And I think the same thing's gonna happen with conspiracy con, that people who have been duped into thinking that there aren't conspiracies out there... The evidence is so overwhelming in any media even mainstream media now it's becoming obvious

1:09:23 that people are starting to show up and validate these conversations. And I think more and more people will be turning out to hear the experts share their knowledge. Absolutely, well hey, I'm going let you go it's been an excellent talk obviously if people haven't seen Thrive they should definitely check that out. It is available for free at thrivemovement.com And I encourage you to buy the DVDs as well because you can share it then with your friends and support claim that they just want to help people and get knowledge out there. Meanwhile, they're hyping up parts of the film to be more than what they really are charging $10 for a stream stuff like that so really I think that should be noted and I commend you for being so cool about letting people see your hard work for free

1:10:16 Well, thank you very much. Our number one goal was to have as many people benefit from it as possible. For the filmmakers out there I have to acknowledge that it was a huge, huge hit in our revenue where we actually had to let go of a lot of our staff just to keep the movement going because people say well all people will donate they'll send you money anyway and some people do but we're not in a culture yet that does that at level that can support a piece of art and information that was as expensive as Thrive was to make, and the movement is sustained. So I encourage all of you to support the movement by buying DVD's or donating to helping this information and strategies and tools get out there

1:11:04 Excellent. Thank you, Kyle and thank you Greg is really great having a chance to converse with you And I hope to see it at conspiracy con absolutely we'll talk to you then thanks again Okay, bye-bye all right take care well there it is Kyle that was pretty good How'd you feel about that little chat there? It was good. I really liked the topics that we touched on and uh, it-I really felt there was a connectedness There was uh...we're talking about big themes here not so much dialing down on specific Yeah i agree you know? I don't talk much about the show itself um but the reason I started this show is because I'm a huge fan of Coast to Coast and even Alex Jones to an extent But I just feel like

1:11:47 the guests that are on the show are always so much more interesting than the host. And I wanted to create a show that let the guests speak and also, it's not about me confirming with my own independent research what they say because all Alex Jones ever has people on to do is confirm his own independent research which is just ego service and then on coast-to-coast It's all softball questions. There is no... and I'm not trying to have a gotcha show, but I want to get deeply into the material you know? You just.. The questions on Coast-To-Coast seem way too vague Way too broad And you never really get into the meat of things and that's why people call him George Snorri

1:12:32 But it is what it is. I think that a lot of people have been reaching out to me lately and saying that they love the way THC approaches these interviews, and approaches these subjects And I think that's great! I'm glad that without even saying much about it The concept behind THD is kind of shining through. We're a conspiracy and paranormal show for the non-religious right, because when you get down to it it's really odd and hypocritical that someone would identify with the conservative or religious right because you're talking about Conspiracy 101 as that

1:13:08 It's a shell game between two talking puppets that don't mean anything. It's a pro wrestling theatrical performance and these two sides are just there to keep us in intention, so you know that it's there to just keep tension high but yet you're still identifying with one side and criticizing the other side. It seems completely stupid It's it's ridiculous. I mean people are listening to too much Nonsense content watching too much TV if you're watching the cable news, it was a big problem Because none of that stuff, it's all pre-filtered so you're not going to get good information that way. But I feel like its a generational thing the younger people are doing new media the younger people know about podcasts the older people there some who are hip to it and then theres vast numbers who have been stuck doing what they do day after day forever and their just can't...theyre gonna have a little bit tougher time breaking out of their paradigm

1:14:05 And the biggest criticism of Thrive that people have is they say, oh you know it has a pretty heavy new age feel to it. And I'm not going to deny that and there's a certain amount of cheese Approach in my opinion, but I mean I would say that's a pretty petty reason to ignore or fail to pass on tons of great information. I mean i'm sure Monsanto and GE would be thrilled To see the conversation be about the appeal of thrive style rather than getting hammered with questions pertaining to the content You know, I mean who gives a shit about the stylings of it, you know versus Zeitgeist vs Thrive I mean the information is pretty much the same and that's what we need to attack. Yeah i feel like um

1:14:51 with each iteration like uh with thrive and then this serious documentary even if some of these things aren't what they thought we would they would be or maybe there's another zeitgeist movie and it's maybe not as good as the third one was you know but each time there another thing comes out it kind of like further enriches this meme, this big you know, subversive idea that like hey you know what a lot of these people are talking about with the higher side chats is all about is this really the truth and for some reason we have been taught that we can't handle the truth. That the truth in a lot of different areas like oh what the military knows yeah you guys can't know that shit. Like what were actually doing? You can't know that shit because thats all state classified you

1:15:41 Just the whole idea that there's certain things that are off limits for you to know, for your own good. I can't trust that! I cannot put faith in that anymore and it makes me feel really creeped out and its like why are these authority figures in a position where they control my life? And yet no decision I make influences their lives. That is a great point You know, Kyle my man it's always a pleasure. By the next time I talk to you I'll probably have finally granted my consciousness the pleasure of melting into the astral dimension and coming face-to-face with the totality of the universe in whatever strange way I decide to present myself to myself... Whatever the fuck that means But i'm gonna smoke some DMT and hopefully I'll be a better man for it so that's a pretty exciting thing Do you think should I film that?

1:16:34 Do not film it. It'd be embarrassing, I believe. Oh man you gotta melt. Talk about what your body's gonna look like while you're in a different dimension? You really need to melt right now. You're not going to be worried so much about filming yourself. I got to make sure that my hair looks good if i'm gonna really be astral projecting Yeah, well if you're going to make an appearance into the spirit realms you better make sure it's a good first impression. Of course I would like to have some type of I would like it to be a part of THC. You know, I really don't know if I want to film what looks like falling asleep while something crazy is going on in the mind because obviously it doesn't translate visually but now it might be a good idea to capture some audio immediately after the event maybe I'll have Fernando... Maybe I'll pre-write some questions and give them to Fernando

1:17:33 Then maybe coming out of the state. Well, we'll do a reverse interview I don't know ideas these are just these are just ideas on spit ball and I'm throwing shit out You can catch it you let it drop throw it back to what you do But you know as always people check out Kyle print Avil's weekly column conversations with the other On the newly redesigned higher side chats website the higher side chats calm Kyle cover some great topics provides an insight that enriches my mind on a weekly basis and man I thank you for putting so much time and effort into making THC something more than just a podcast. It's awesome!

1:18:10 Thank you man, I really appreciate that. I like the format and get tweeted out to so many of the followers of this show and if you saw the comment that somebody left in the Helpful Tips for Psychedelic Trips blog post there's a really honest comment from mom she says yeah i go through this yeah take my kids to school when I Work the job and I get, I pay the bills. You know doing all the same bullshit but underneath it all I know the truth because of what I experienced through my own psychedelic journeying and Yeah you were talking about that kind in the intro to the show too how there's this duality There's two lives going on The one part of you that knows the truth And the one that plays the character That has to be a character in order to survive in society Because as Foster said you can't live without money

1:19:05 Touche. You know, alright people you know that's a wrap. Kazam just showed up on Netflix and I got a weed brownie with my name on it so i really gotta get going but I love you guys uh... I don't feel worthy of your time but then here we are when you could be watching Kazam 2 So okay then! I will see at the ConCon 2013 Enjoy your day people! Say you want a revolution if you know wanna change the world You tell me that it's evolution When I wanna change the world But when you talk about destruction I'm like, oh alright You say you got a real solution Don't love to see the past before our contribution Hell ya know we won't be cat But if you want money for people with minds that hate

1:20:42 All I can tell you is, brother, you have to wait. Don't you know it's gonna be alright? Change the Constitution We all want a change of land It's the Institution Where You better free your mind instead But if you go carrying pictures Of Chairman Mack You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow Don't you know it's gonna be alright

1:22:25 Alright!