THC 39: Dr. Rita Louise | Alien Gods, Mythology, & The Kitchen Sink

01:44 Welcome to the show, Hireside Chatters. Drinking a little drink, smoking a little smoke I'm Greg Carlwood here to help you wade through the rough waters of mysteries and conspiracies our silly little species has concocted during our brief stay at The Motel Earth And what topic is more drenched with both mystery and conspiracy than our very own origins and ancient past? Folks, our history has been twisted, mistranslated, rewritten, omitted and redacted so much that my biggest concern is that it might be beyond repair. But today's guest Dr Rita Louise is going to help us search through the rubble and piece this story back together as best we can!

02:20 As if funding the Institute of Applied Energetics and paying the bills as a medical intuitive and clairvoyant weren't exciting enough, Dr. Rita Louise has turned her lifelong fascination with ancient archaeology, mythology and culture into her incredible new book Man-Made The Chronicles Of Our Extraterrestrial Gods A mere 15 days from the next evolution of man, Dr. Rita Louise how are ya? I am great, Greg. Thanks for having me on the show and wow what a wonderful intro! I love it Well thank you Rita You know I like to put the pedal to the metal You gotta grab them quick or your gonna lose em But i guess because I brought it up December 21st is right around the corner Im a little disappointed in lack of conversation What do you think? Is this the start date of the dawning of a new age of humanity Or just another 9-5 work week Cause Ive been waiting to buy my Christmas presents

03:10 Well, I mean, I don't think that we're going to blow up or the world's coming to an end. Although my little conspiracy theory mind goes if something is going to happen, I can see the government going hey well you know that sounds like a good day hit the red button but as far as what's happening organically? I don't think so with that said there are I'm gonna say so many people Okay, everybody at least in the United States that have really been holding their breath for the last couple of years and I'm looking for us all to have the opportunity To finally exhale and start breathing again And move out of this place of fear that we have been held captive too so that we can actually Have another day. You know it will be the dawn of another day But you know on that level because we will be

04:06 free from that level of oppression. Well, that would be nice if that was the effect it had I mean i'm gonna have fun with it It will be the dawning of a new age for this man No more soda no more fast food A more conscious attention to getting myself where I want to be So it's really just a choice and on a personal level you can decide If the minds were right kind of like a new year's resolution But at last your whole goddamn life not just halfway to valentine's day You know what? Well, I think December 21st this year is going to be more pivotal. Definitely much more remembered than New Year's Day this year is going to be.

04:46 Well, yes. I hope at least that is true but I do wish it was treated more like a global near-miss car accident where you take a breath and wipe your brain and think man okay now Where do we want to go? If we're living our life what do we want to do with it instead of waiting for this cosmic event To happen this predetermined event where were rescued from our predicament And, uh... you know I just- the whole thing. It just seems like no one's talking about it doesn't seem to be out in the collective unconscious like i really wanted it to be and hoped it would be but really it is? Think so You know one of things about it not that long ago Harold Camping came out with these predictions that you know the rapture was gonna happen and all the apocalypse was going to begin and there were circles of people that had heard of his

05:36 Predictions, but I think the 2012 thing has really gotten enough airplay. You know even in commercials that there is an inkling you know, I think just about in the United States especially that most people the majority of people have heard something about it and And when you have something that they put out there in this manner, regardless of what you think is going to happen. There's still that little shred of Well, the world could end. Armageddon could begin because we don't know it's... And so there is what we believe and then there is still that where we doubt ourselves. Yes I hear you! Now I want to switch gears a little bit to talk about your book The Reason Why You Are Here but before we do that tell me a bit about this medical intuitive thing? That's your 9-5 you say

06:32 and what kind of effects have you seen? Is this energy healing, what's going on here?" Well I mean medical intuition is a assessment tool so it's like going in getting an x-ray or MRI. You know in a very classical traditional look at it because the The medical intuitives job is to look at the individual body and give them some feedback as to what's going on. And so it's kind of, it's different from getting Reiki done or healing work done because it's not a healing modality. It's more like getting a psychic reading you know?

07:12 You know, but it's still really cool. And one of the things that I feel I bring to the table for people in addition to being able to look at the physical body and say well you know I see this there is inflammation here, you know there is this bump here can energetically kind of remote view and touch their organs, you know. I'll touch their kidney and they might have a kidney infection going on. And I'll be like, ow! Ow! Ow! Because... Wow. ...I can feel the pain in their body. You know? So there's that aspect to it which is pretty cool but one of the other things is that I'm able to feel into their emotional energy and help them understand what the thoughts and beliefs

07:59 are that are causing them to manifest the illness in the first place. I believe that 80 plus percent of all illness or stuff, there is a psycho-spiritual component. There are things called colds and viruses... You get a cold, you get a virus, you break your leg You know, there's not this whole big emotional piece even though they're the individuals who say well there was a reason that you broke your leg. It's like well that's really not what I'm looking for in a person many times you know they are

08:42 I'm looking more for beliefs like, I hate myself. A daily struggle for me! I hate my mother! Well because those are the things that limit the flow of energy through the subtle body and create the disease in the first place I mean, it seems logical to me. I'm a definite believer that people can make themselves sick. I loathe my day job and when I'm on my way to work, you know, usually manifest myself a headache or stuffy nose or something and... You know? I'm like am I allergic to this place but really it's just a mental thing And even a force like stress—an unseen force is pretty accepted by the general medical community—the mainstream medical community that there is a stress effect

09:31 Well, I mean but to me stress is like such a generic global thing. It's like what are you stressed about? That's really where it becomes the key and I'm gonna throw this out because you know I have another book called Avoiding The Cosmic 2x4 that goes into this topic in much much greater detail and if you want I can send you copy of that and we maybe do a show around that topic Yeah absolutely! That would be awesome. I'd love to take a look at that book Let's talk about the book actually that you just recently wrote, Man Made. The reason for your visit to THC I really do want to get into the chronology of our extraterrestrial gods this timeline but first tell the people a little bit about the work and the research and the dedication it took to get this book out i mean we're not messing around here you did quite a bit of research amirite? Oh yeah

10:25 One of the things that we did is, we would get a clue. You know like what about this? What about the gods you know and... Excuse me! Um.. We would just follow the clue and follow it And then you might find a clue taking you over to this area So we'd followed that clue I mean because you end up hitting some kind of wall or dead-end Or it would just end More than enough information then you need to really answer the question that you have and so we that's really how we address this was by. You know, we would find a myth in one culture and then look to a different culture around the world see if we could find parallel mess.

11:12 There too one of the things that we were adamant about was finding multiple myths that referred in essence to the same event that we were talking about in the book because us that validated That there was truth and we're not talking about there's a Greek story and a Roman story You know, we're talking about there's a Greek story And maybe an Indian story or a story that comes out of the Americas To say okay. We're talking about a global story not just a local story right? Absolutely Not is the most fascinating thing is that

11:53 at a time when cross-continental communication and travel was off the table as far as conventional history is concerned, these societies on different parts of the globe seem to have similar stories and myths. And I guess it creates a unified narrative but you know walk us through it let's take it from the top where does this origin story start? Well, it starts in the beginning. Make sense? If you read the narratives and then it moves forward in time I mean one of the things that we were so blown away with Were the parallels that we found around the world You know starting with In The Beginning where their beginning of their creation narrative starts with

12:45 You know this null and void or talking about energy on the water. I mean there were a few images that came up over and over again, which says well unless they're talking about the same thing then it would have to be right They would be different. They would by necessity be different. Of course, and these stories we're talking about are the earliest stories... Are these Sumerian texts? Because to my knowledge there's nothing older correct? Well you know there is the written chronicles

13:27 that go back to the Sumerians, but the narratives we believe went back much much much further in time and were carried forward through oral traditions. But I'm going to throw a little caveat in here as to where the earliest of stories, you know talking about the beginning of the planet and the very early history on the planet prior to mankind. As we know mankind being created came from. So there is a gentleman named Berseus, he was a Babylonian priest who lived during the time of Alexander the Great and one of the things that he mentions is that there were these

14:21 Creatures that were called own as or at least one of them was called on as they're not quite sure if he would. That was a proper name or the name of these creatures, but the first one's name was own as. And he came during our prehistory, so this was prior to the flood and taught mankind stuff. And so according to Bercius these creatures appeared six different times on the earth three times before the flood three times after the flood and it's also described by him that these creatures taught mankind their history

15:02 We have a parallel story. Okay, so we have this you know half man half fish you know and there's this whole group of guys that are tied to the water you know and have this like fish-like reptilian like characteristic But we go across the ocean and we find, you know like the Aztecs for example say that Causal Coral, The Feathered Serpent taught them their history. And so we have stories of the gods telling mankind their history and one of things that we contend

15:42 is that the stories we have, these most ancient of legends aren't our stories about the gods but actually the gods telling us their stories. Yeah, their own history right? You know and there's a number of reasons why that we think are supported when you look at myths where mankind is involved Jason in the Argonauts or you know any of the stories were, you know, The Trojan War. Any of them when this when they talk about when the narrator talks about the gods there always separate their always on Mount Olympus and when humankind interacts with them there are always in this

16:32 subservient kind of position, you know. Or you look at the like the Vedas in India, they're praying to the gods it's like oh God please make my grain go good! You know kind of like we pray today hoping for salvation from the gods But when you look at these earliest stories, the narrative isn't that way. The person telling the story is just right there in the middle of the action and he doesn't have this positioning of awe and veneration towards the gods And, you know, the stories that come from this earliest period... The gods are represented as being really pretty

17:16 pretty awful. You know, they're killing each other and conspiring against each other in destroying worlds and the narrator isn't really even shocked by their bad behavior you and the only way that you could see that as being okay is if that was part of your culture and an analogy I like to make is You know, if you're a member of a criminal gang in East L.A., or Harlem or wherever they hang out and you're writing about your life and the activities that are happening around you... Ah! There was a drive-by shooting yesterday. So casual? Yeah but that's how those stories

18:04 are presented as, oh yeah there was a drive by you know the crypts went after the blood and these guys and one of the crypts over here was like doing... that's how those stories read. Absolutely agree. Going to Catholic school, growing up reading the Bible I thought death was handled so casually you know killing people left and right. I want to throw this asshole to the lions! I want you to kill your kid! You know? I got plagues coming atcha everybody's sacrificing their firstborn crosses...you know death is so casual in the Bible. I just want to know when in our history-in mankind's history did God go from being this like

18:48 mean, you know bump everybody off kind of person to he's a kind and loving God. Well yeah see that's the point right there that I think Catholics decided to use their religion for control through fear it seems like that was the time where they went around stamping out other religions anything pagan became satanic and were taught in school that they were just spreading their religion, but they were rewriting history by force killing anyone who wouldn't accept this newly designed control framework. That to me is why there's such an emphasis on record destroying. That's the one thing I remember from school is everywhere they came through just destroy those records. I mean that's something you'd need to do if you're trying to rewrite their history. And then you make God a jealous angry power hungry monster

19:37 And then you force people to try to identify with that, creating a huge internal conflict and creating an excuse for bad behavior. Well, that's what we reward in this society." To me it was more about that. Oh I totally agree. Fortunately there are still some ancient sources left that have come down to us but then we get a certain amount of literature, you know from the Americas that were written down by the early Spanish chroniclers which are my favorite. I love these guys because they're so

20:19 Prejudice. No, we're talking! And can I just read you this one little portion? Yeah yeah go ahead In this in this one passage One you can see that the myth that they're talking about was actually part of their cosmology because this chronicler has such a level of disbelief in-in the narrative he's hearing and so This is like one of my favorite passages According to the most certain and true opinion, there could not have been inhabitants in this land before the universal deluge. For it is certain that all men sprang from our father Adam and that in the period between Adam and Noah so wide a dispersal could not have taken place." How was it possible that these Indians can have any knowledge of the deluge? Yeah wow! You know which says to me

21:11 they have a flood story. Yeah, right? And it must've sounded pretty much like the Christian story because this guy doesn't believe them. Well yeah I mean it backs up what I was saying before but also that sounds like the same kind of shit Sean Hannity's putting out today you know everyone is so cock sure so pompous so sure that the stuff they've been brainwashed with must be the truth and that's why I'm not really sure fucking anything Oh, me either. You know and what I find interesting is that there are so many people and you know please don't send any mean cards or letters anybody that's listening but there are so many people that feel a need to hang on to the biblical text to justify biblical texts through myth

22:04 It just doesn't work. I mean one of the things that we did was we put our Bible and our preconceived notions to the side because there was no way to allow the myths to talk if We were going to Try to prove something else. We didn't go in trying to prove anything. We went in trying to just uncover What were they saying? What is our history without bias and let me tell you, there were areas that we thought we were going to go and it turned around that was not what the myth said. Period! It was like hmmm...

22:46 Yeah, well let's get into these myths. Let's go back to before humans because a big part of the old stories is genetic manipulation and the creation of humans. Mm-hmm. Let's talk about that who created us How did they get here? Where did they come from and where do these stories come from Rita what what's the deal? Well I You know, I the stories I think came from the gods. You know that they told us there are multiple chat or multiple texts that talk about the creation of mankind and One of the things that you find is that there were actually multiple instances, and I'm just kind of summarizing the conclusion I've come to based on this material. We offer everyone to make their own conclusions reading the material but this is a conclusion we have come to is that there have been multiple rounds of genetic engineering that have happened

23:43 with mankind being the most recent round of genetic engineering that happened. You know, but the narratives tell us that the gods created mankind and They, you know we were not the first and only iteration. We find in like in the Popol Vuhl that comes out of Mesoamerica that there were multiple creations they made one man out of mud and when it rained he disintegrated and they made another man out of sticks but he was really stupid so they got rid

24:22 rid of him. You know and then finally they decided to use corn to make mankind, and they made mankind using four different color corn white red black and yellow. Kinda interesting thinking about the demographics on the planet yeah especially when you consider what we're told about civilization at the time they couldn't have traveled around the globe they couldn't have known all the races in the planet how do without that knowledge, without cross-continental travel. You know? Well that's because it was just corn and it wasn't races. Right! How silly of me I'm being ridiculous

25:04 Right. But, um... but then you look at like the Sumerian texts and they talk about again multiple creations and you know one of them couldn't stand up by himself one of them urinated you know couldn't hold its urine they made a female one that was not able to conceive and they went through six or seven different versions of man until we were finally created You know so they're the pretty consistent storyline of these multiple creations around the world And why do you think they created man as a slave race? Oh, I like to use a different word a gentler word. You know I believe that mankind is a domesticated race ah now when your domesticated you work and

25:56 You know, like we have horses are domesticated donkeys are domesticated camels or domesticate and they are domesticated work animals now. Thank God we're like not domesticated to have for lunch. I just don't really want to be an alien burger Who does but I you know and so slave kind of a strong word, but a domesticated work animal Yeah, I think so hmm. I think so that could really describe us today still well We have such as strong work ethic

26:33 You know you look at like dogs and there are certain dogs that are bread to herd animals or hunt you know chase after birds or whatever and. A friend of mine has had this one dog. I have a little dog, you know? I'm always telling dog stories anyway and so it was a Sheltie which is a herding dog and when her kids were young if she wanted one of the kids to come over the dog would go in and herd The kids over because it's just bred into it And we as humans are

27:15 So bread to work if we're not busy doing something, we feel like there's something wrong. Yeah. But it's true. No, right? There are plenty of people that think if people aren't busy doing something then there is something wrong especially if your last name is Rothschild Yeah! Well from these stories you push back human history far further than the conventional I think the number was 1.5 to 3 million years ago in the book Correct. Well, which texts were you reading that got you to that time frame? I know these stories came from the creator race but where would someone go what could they read to study the source material if they were interested well one of the things that we did was look at the mythology and then go where does that place us in

28:13 You know human evolution of what we know of human evolution. I mean there are a lot of authors that say oh well, there was the alien intervention at like 40 thousand years ago or 100 thousand years ago you know i mean they throw buncha dates out But when you look at some of the myths, for example there is the story of Prometheus. The very famous story of Prometheus and Prometheus gives mankind fire and because of his digression he is chained to a rock in every night and eagle comes and eats his liver which grows back by the next day so that the eagle can come and eat it again

28:58 40,000 years ago we definitely had fire. 100,000 years ago we had fire and so our thinking because there is this common narrative of the gods miscellaneous ones around the world of the gods giving us fire So our thought was well when did we have control of fire or when were we using fire? You know, maybe not making it because you know that was a later development but using it in a controlled way. Because there's evidence of mankind using fire in a controlled way and that took us back to about between 1.5 million years ago and three million years ago. One of the other line in myth is that they gave us tools to work with

29:49 And, you know the earliest tool users were was Homo habilatus. He was three million years ago and right around that same time in between homo habilatus and homo erectus tied to that are a number of genetic changes that also happened until when we get to homo erectus it's kind of like All of the major changes, we're walking completely upright. Our toes are in alignment. We don't have a big toe that sticks out to the side anymore. We don't have any hair anymore. We are starting to live in small cultural groups. We are building little tents or houses to stay in temporary shelters which are the very beginnings of culture

30:48 And then there was one little enigmatic text that I thought was very interesting. In the Bible, when God kicks Adam and Eve out of Eden, God makes them clothes out of animal hair, animal skins to wear. So if we're talking about a more contemporary time for even Adam and Eve, we weren't wearing animal skins. Mm-hmm. Yeah! You know, and so... But the animal skins fit in with that Homo erectus time period. Yeah you know that's what's so interesting and awesome about these old texts and myths is that we're taught that they're just stories but when you lay them out on the timeline there they might show a little bit of truth I mean i just finished Philip Koppen's new book

31:40 And he talks about the Iliad and the Odyssey, that's his example. And for so many years people thought Homer was just making up stories but they found some geographical evidence and locations that fit the descriptions of Homer and we figured out Troy was a real place and you wonder how much is it just a historical account? But then you got other parts of the stories that get really weird with a guy getting his liver eaten out every day and you've gotta say eh, I guess they took some poetic license with that one But Prometheus was a god, and so he was immortal. Well okay... You know when I'm hearing the word gods in this context i'm just thinking humanoid alien is-I mean you know humanoid beings that came here in the past? Is that not what we're talking about?

32:29 Well, I think that the original progenitor gods that came here you know which goes back even further than three million years ago were definitely alien. You know they can't you know it seems pretty clear to me at least that they came in some kind of a ship but from that an original group there have been a number I have to sit here and count here. You know, two other groups prior to mankind that we believe were genetically engineered by this progenitor group with mankind being the final group. And so, are they alien? Ehh... Not so much but are they human? No! I- you know that's like no capital letters underlined exclamation point They were definitely not human Right Are we talking like a transdimensional multi dimensional being Like beings of light That kind of thing? I mean really hard to say Um You know

33:31 One of the later groups that were created actually three groups. I'm gonna take that back There were three groups prior to man one of the groups that was created were the Giants now They're in mythology there are two sets of giants There are the Titan giants which you know, I like to joke around You know they're big like they can pick you up and bite your head off big, you know, this is they were giant yeah You know and then there were the seven to nine foot twelve foot Giants that we're hearing a lot about these days, you know And they're finding bones but they were much more recent. You know They were around during this period of Adam and Eve in the flood and you know, they got annihilated During the Flood and I love how

34:19 So many multiple cultures have flood stories, stories of battles in the sky stuff like that. But it gets real hazy for me because it's never really laid out in a timeline so let's say you got this first group of aliens who come here they start trying to create a worker race A domesticated man and they end up making us What's next? They start entering our women, mating with the women they find fair. Is that the next milestone? The next bullet point in this story? Okay so they make us...so we have like an Adam and Eve story and their kicked out of Eden.

34:56 And you know, and I'll just use the biblical narrative here because so we know there were people that were on the land. And you know this isn't just Biblical but the gods are getting pissed off because they're not worshipping them or venerating them in the way that they wanted They were really picky about that. You know, in the biblical narrative the reason of the flood is because the sons of God mated with the daughters of men and brought forth the Men of Renown now I just want to like throw this out there because there are a lot of people that claim

35:41 that the offspring of the sons of God and daughters of men are the Nephilim. They are the giants, and I highly disagree because if you read the narrative... What I was talking about just a second ago earlier was that the giants, the earthborn, the Nephilim were in existence prior to the creation of Adam and Eve. So if you read the line, In those days the Nephilim walked the earth... You know? The answer would be yes! In those days the Nephilim walked the earth And so how could a group that was already in existence Be born out of the Tord relationship between the sons of God and daughters of men True Okay now

36:32 the born of the blood of the castrated Uranus that fell on the earth. Oh my god! You know, so they were yet another genetically manipulated group you know one of the things that we believe is that the earlier gods, the Titan gods, the giant-giant gods and the other ones that came before them were not able to live on the surface of the planet. That there was some issue, you know we think it might have been something having to do with ultraviolet radiation but they did not live on the surface because all of the stories referred them living in the sky living deep beneath the water or living deep within the earth and there really aren't stories of those earlier gods

37:33 walking on the surface of the planet. Yeah, that's an interesting aspect because a big criticism of the alien conspiracies of today is you've got these stories of both the good aliens trying to influence us to take care of each other and the planet from behind-the-scenes. And also the evil David Ickean reptile aliens that enslave control and reign over us also from the shadows so it is interesting that even in the old text they weren't just out in the open all that much seems to be a common thread That's been going on for a while now Well, and it was interesting. I mean, I've already have two pages of notes for a revised and expanded edition because i'll be talking to someone or be in the middle of an interview And you know someone will throw something out like well have you heard this? And i'm like No but let me make a note So I can go research it Because um You know we took it as far as we could go

38:33 But then you get people that are, you know will throw. You know like somebody was saying Edgar Cayce talked about genetic engineering in Atlantis which I have some beliefs about the nature of Atlantis in the first place but that was yet another tie and other parallel from another source anyway Well, what do you think about Atlantis? Because I've had several guests talk about their Atlantis theories. Do you think it was just a culture that was slightly more advanced that passed some of their knowledge on to the Egyptians because that seems to be the most common belief? Well see you read the book so i think you're gonna like this. Obviously we did not address it in the book but

39:20 The original thought came from, and I'm going to give him credit, Giorgio Zuccolo. So on one of the episodes of Ancient Aliens who was talking about Atlantis and his comment was when the flood was happening... And I'm not-I'm just gonna use what he said but when the flood was happening you know Atlantis as opposed to sinking took off because it wasn't a island it was a ship. And when he said it I thought Well that's stupid. Yeah me too! You know how could this little ship account for an island? Right it just really, it didn't make sense yeah It is far-fetched but have you found any evidence to support that possibility Oh oh no I mean in thinking about it you know of course after the fact um

40:12 Okay, so one of the things that we learned from mythology is about the home of the gods. You know heaven the home of the gods. And these homes are, you know it's not like Zeus has a condo in heaven. You know Zeus has this palace and all of the other gods have palaces that are huge and placial and there were trees and there were animals and there was gardens and farms in heaven In the Indian text, they talk about these Sabas. And the smallest one without going through this whole thing... The smallest one in American measurements would be according to the Mahabharata 300 miles wide by 500 miles long So it's huge! Now even if it is exaggerated they still describe it as being able to house hundreds of thousands people

41:13 Now, if one of these... Okay so we have these ships or we have heaven. Now mythology clearly tells us that these things could go anywhere they wanted to under the water in the air at the will of the owner okay? So we got these ships that are going around But if you think about it, take it to the next step. Okay so Atlantis was in the middle of the ocean So who controls the ocean? Enki controls the ocean He's the god of water The god of fertility he is associated with Poseidon The God of the oceans His home is in the water. Enki is also tied to the creation of mankind story, the little tidbit which really kind of nailed it even though I haven't researched it was that Edgar Cayce talked about genetic engineering happening in Atlantis while Enki's the god that was responsible for the genetic engineering a man. So could Atlantis have been

42:18 Anki's home? It is a possibility. It's possible! The two things I always hear are the flood stories, but also the giant battles in the sky... which one of these came first? The alien war stories Okay, so they created humans then there was this big power struggle big war happened and Then the flood. So how much time passed here? Um actually the war happens first

42:56 And then they create man. Oh, oh shit! Okay because once mankind like I've just started reading the Mahabharata and so i'm not quite sure how that story fits into what's going on Because you know that's the story where it has all the ships flying around and all this stuff going on. Flying carpets and stuff. So I'm not really right, and i'm not really sure where that fits in time wise yet Yeah, that's where it gets hazy for me too because I just try to put this into a timeline and they never really say. And of course they didn't use the same calendar so it was pretty much impossible for them to say but after thousands of years its even harder for us to conceive of putting this all together But the majority of the wars that happened especially you know the big war The big war for control between uh...the sky god and the earth god happened

43:56 Millions of years ago. You know, we put it at four have to see here and think for a second 450 million years ago Wow 432 million years ago okay so where does that number come from because that's such a long time ago Well, one of the things that you find is that there is... Okay. Let me just throw this in. So there's the original race of gods, the progenitor gods who create a race of beings who are the titans, those giants that can bite your head off and so they're in control. They're in control of the earth and so another group which is the sky gods now want to have control over

44:39 over the earth and this is where we have this giant war that happens. Now tied to the story of an epic battle, one of things we did was look for commonalities within the narrative you know there was a flood uh...this period is known as the golden age you know? And there were these tag lines in narrative And one of the things that we use to identify this war because there were multiple wars was the tagline that says, and then the gods put the sun, the moon and the stars into the sky. Okay? So that was... That gave us the placement okay

45:28 But one of the things that is also tied to this story is about terraforming the planet. And so Tiamat in Sumerian literature, is killed by Marduk or Enki or Enlil and her body is cut in half and you know half of her body becomes the surface of the earth and it becomes the mountains and the trees and her blood becomes the water You know, which sounds like it was terraforming. But when did all of that happen in the chronology of the planet? When were trees created? When did life move from under the water to surface of the earth and it all happens around 4.5 or 450-430 something million years ago

46:21 And so that is why we put it at that period. And what was interesting is when I started researching that period, you know because they talk about the mountains and land being built during that time, the earth was really...the bulk of it was covered with water and that was one of the biggest periods of mountain building on the planet was during that period of time. Right on, so okay we got the flood is that the time when most of these alien races these other races left the main stage after this giant water cataclysm? Very much so I mean they definitely backed off into the background

47:05 One of the things, you know it gets a little sketchy in parts but one of the things is that we feel like the gods by necessity had to back off because there was You know so many died because of the flood Because you know they all didn't get off the planet and so Because there aren't that many in numbers. You know mankind was pretty much left on his own and You know, so we believe that the gods came back and you know taught mankind stuff. You know taught Mankind civilization taught Mankind all of this stuff and just kind of worked in the background and that's you know because there is kind of a blank period after the flood

47:57 you know, until like civilization civilization that happens unless you go with that. You know the flood happened six thousand B.C.. Well, let's take a second here because this is December of 2012 after all and if you think of time as secular. If we did have a huge global disaster what would happen? Well the world's elite would be protected in secret underground bunkers that we can't get access to then when the smoke and chaos cleared they could come out and establish an economy in a society and start their reign all over again so I could see Really, how that could be the reality. But it would be such a long time for these bloodlines to maintain power and secret. However...

48:40 Well, no. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but I have a little however. Let me have it The ones that are in power are not the underground ones It's the sky gods Who do we venerate? Who do we look up to who...you know Yeah just the phrase look up! It-it's not the underground ones Right Up is good down is evil They're they're vilified They're evil incarnate. Yeah, well history is written by the winners that's right exactly not a very popular thought but I think it's true i mean i feel like you know even in mythology uh that fertility god the one that's associated with the creation of mankind and teaching mankind which was why the angels quote-unquote fell

49:33 is usually associated with the, you know, with the Enki character and you know that he's a trickster. You know which in and of itself has kind of a bad connotation that he's doing something bad but the reality is is that that character was looking after mankind's best interests And I feel like that person was acting from their conscience versus acting from a place of power and control? Well, not to take this into a weird place but yes history is written by the winners so if Lucifer lost a great battle then of course he would be written as the enemy and sometimes I wonder if there's not at least a little that going on in our historical accounts of World War II because yes Hitler was a bad guy killed a lot of people but the side I'm interested in the aspects I care about is this the occult stuff that I've heard about

50:32 I mean, there are a lot of parallels to me between ancient alien bloodlines and seeking to bring that back through breeding a master race. It seems like in Hitler's inner circle there was a belief in the occult and resurrecting ancient technologies but our side has done such a good job as painting him is just an evil monster And it seems like it could be a convenient tactic to take the focus away from those ideas and just say, look he was an evil racist. If you start looking into this you're an evil racist too so don't do it But Do you think there could be any connection between the Nazi concepts of a master race? And some belief that they were only trying to get back to that pure Nephilim bloodline

51:12 I mean, it could be. And this is one of the topics that I have planned for yet another book which is going to look at the underworld as well as ritual and prayer because even when you go back to some of the very early myths there is this requirement by the gods. So we have the progenitor gods and they create, you know their first race of beings but there are issues about veneration about ritual about sacrifice You know and I don't understand why? And-and I... There's something there! There's something so there

51:56 Anyway, I forget what the question was. No big deal. Sorry. I was just getting weird with the Nazis but there is a split in the way that we see the past because you have some who describe these ancient cultures as more harmonistic they had superior technologies that were more natural they were able to move these huge stones, you know framed societies are almost framed as like a paradise and then you have a more mainstream idea that people were barbaric performing human sacrifices before breakfast lunch and dinner dropping virgins in the volcano. You know? And I just wonder what were they really like but the joke is is that um

52:37 Human sacrifice was done all over the world. I mean, it's not just... You know, we did- you know, the Europeans just hadn't done in a long time so they're pretty judgmental about that and even you were talking about Hitler, you know, the eugenics movement which was about selectively breeding individuals which shocked me originated in the US Really? I think that's news to me Yeah, that was Stan Friedman and Kathleen Morden. They had done a whole chapter in the book talking about the eugenics movement but yeah it was started in the US and its like well then how can we say they were bad if we started it in the first place?

53:21 And, you know we had concentration camps too. Most people know that So again history rewritten as the winners of the conflict like it The heroes beat the bad guys doesn't really matter who did what and there are no stories in history where the bad guys win Funny how that is But let's get back to the good stuff. What would you say is your favorite story of man interacting with an extraterrestrial race? About man interacting or just one of my favorite mythological stories? Well, a mythological story that you think might have some validity or describe an actual event. Okay then I would have to say Moses. Moses! Moses! Moses! No...

54:05 I mean, I remember reading... the Old Testament, or not the whole Old Testament but parts of the Old Testament especially Genesis because I just find that book fascinating. But my favorite part is Moses has led everybody out of Egypt and they're in the desert and he goes to Mount Sinai and you know he's gonna go hang out with God on Mount Sinai And then it starts thundering and lightning, and the top of Mount Sinai is surrounded in a cloud. God wants to talk to the people and starts talking directly to them, and it scares the crap out of everybody. So they tell Moses like no, you talk for us! You talk for us! We want to get out of here! And so many people say oh well... I mean they forget that part that there were other people involved not just Moses

55:04 in that whole story and from a Jewish perspective, you know that is one of the reasons why they celebrate Passover. I mean you know there's passing having the spirit of death Passover but it's also tied to this interaction this one on one interaction with God that, you know. Why would a group make up such a far fetched story and then make it so important that that story is passed down parent to child generation to generation at infinitum? True.

55:46 Another weird thing that comes up a lot in these cultures is stories of a return. You know, even the Jesus story he's supposed to return, Quetzalcoatl is supposed to return... What's up with that? Do you think there is a return coming? Is there any validity to that? There is definitely consistency of that storyline and I Well, you're kind of a conspiracy guy. So I'm just going to throw this. I'm just going to throw this out there which I was so not put in the book. I'm ready. OK? So, you know, the flood happens now

56:28 the gods are priming us and domesticating us. I mean, because we're pretty freaking domesticated you take away our internet and we're a lost cause and the younger generation...I don't know how old you are Greg but my kids would be lost. No internet, no cell phone, no remote control you know and so I feel like there has been yet this nether next level of the you know of domestication where oh putting your personal stuff out on the cloud You know i'm sorry I just have an issue with that you know And they're just like Oh it's okay well look but you can put all your songs out there

57:09 Yeah, and then the government can just peer in. I don't think so. And the cloud is such a happy word I know. Well, that's where the gods are. Right? Anyway you know somebody said but you know the gods kind of drop off the map a really long time ago i mean if you think about like Moses' encounter with the gods what 1500 BC something in that area not too much interaction that we find after that point in time don't really know about Native American sources you know, they have more current encounters. But we can kind of place Moses somewhere but that's only...that's not even 5 000 years and so in the life of the gods that's like the next day and so could they be just waiting for us to

58:05 Become even more domesticated so they can come back in and do whatever right? I think it's entirely possible well, and there are some people who speculate that the whole theme of the greys that the Greys are actually kind of genetically manipulated creatures from a different race who sends them forth to Do these abductions and to create these problems and to create a fear around them And then this other race you don't see will come in and save us from their own creation. Oh As the good guys, you know that's a popular theme. But if you had to speculate about aliens interaction with us today would you say it is non-existent? Is it in the background? Are they there? Are they ruling elite? What would you speculate?

58:48 You know, I've never really been a big UFO person and I'm just saying that up front. But after researching this book my belief that they were definitely here in the past that they definitely had significant all right all the control over everything that happened on this planet. Um, You know, they weren't just like doing a flyby and just coming in and just doing something and then leaving again because historically speaking they've been here since the beginning of time. Definitely since the beginning of mankind so why would they just go? Why would you give that up?

59:33 You know, with that said you know we hear stories of bases. You know alien bases underground We hear stories of USO's you know ships coming out from under the water and obviously we have ships that are flying around in the air which those three areas and only those three areas parallel The three major areas that you find the gods in myth Right. I had Stan Day on a couple of weeks ago, and he talks about a black ops facility that he had worked at and then then he left it

1:00:08 his intel from people who were still there is that Greys came in, they worked with them and then the Greys sort of like marginalized us and pushed us out. And these underground bases in some cases are actually controlled by an extraterrestrial race but I guess I just wonder why? Like what's their motivation? Why would they spend their life hiding out in a cement bunker underground to somehow influence us You know, it's like why wouldn't they just come out and say hey we're here. We are smarter more intelligent have better technology and you'll serve us? Yeah yeah and what their motives are I mean why they came here in the first place is kind of like the $94000 question don't know there is absolutely nothing that even remotely goes into that topic

1:00:59 mythologically speaking. Yeah, it's a story that I want to be true. I would love there to be bases underground controlled by aliens but it's got to make sense and even though if you go ahead You know But if you think about it from and see this is kind of where I'm going with my veneration thing It's like when you venerate something when you pray to something you are willingly giving it your energy You know, and it's kind of like you know it makes me think of monsters Inc. Yes, you know if you're scared you produce a lot of emotional energy If you laugh you produce a lot of emotional energy well when you are in deep prayer There is a lot of emotional energy and intention going to whoever or whatever? Your sending it too, you know And so do they not disclose themselves because they want keep receiving our energy

1:01:52 Right and there's a lot of speculation that I mean, there's a lot of weird stuff about Disney Walt Disney was amazing blah blah blah and I've seen I've seen a lot of material on the fact that Monsters Inc is a symbolic representation Of what these elite do you know they feed off our energy? Well And i'm just gonna throw something out there that and You know, but there is I mean like you know my origin comes out of the New Age community even though or you know least that's what I do for a living and that's where I was for a very long time. You know and there is the whole concept of listening to your inner voice are listening to your higher self or communicating with your spirit guides, you know that whole genre and I have

1:02:53 Okay, so I get very dirty looks from people when I make this comment but it's a valid point. I'm sorry But how do you know who your spirit guides are? I mean, you know Hopefully they're giving you good information but if they if you're listening to them and I mean I listen to my guys I listened to You know the direction. I mean I laugh It's like well people go why'd you write this book? It's like well They told me too So, you know and so if I'm allowing these beings God Spirit guides or whoever to control my life Right. That's the same thing that they've been they were talking about You know well who are they and is it really like god-god? Or is it these extraterrestrials? You know

1:03:40 pushing me into their agenda? I don't know. Always good to be skeptical. I don't know that I want to know! Yeah, it's... It is a weird thing but you know I do love the book and I love that you kind of stayed away from the geological formations because we hear so much about them and just focused on the mythology cause there are some fascinating old stories And I'd love to hear them but its so tough to really see like these things are passed down for thousands of years within the tribe. It's like a long game of telephone, it just seems weird to think that their accuracy would still be intact and I hope it is. Well but I mean I think that they are you know what

1:04:31 I think that they are mean obviously, you know there are differences that happen in one area to another. You know and then there's translating issues, you know what i mean? They get their our issues but I feel like you know, I feel like the story was actually much bigger and much richer than what we have and some groups kept this piece, some groups kind of overlooked this piece. But when taken in whole I think you get a much bigger and richer picture of what was going on. One of the things that people have commented on is

1:05:16 They have just really appreciated that someone has gone through all those dry and dusty books that normally just sit on your shelf because nobody wants to read them. And made, you know took the material and one put it together but also make it in a very readable format because we made a very sincere decision right up front to not have this book be academic in tone, but be very reader friendly so that you enjoy reading it like reading a soft favorite fairy tales. You know, you enjoy reading it and not

1:05:55 You know, like you're taking a college course which would be boring. Well I mean i've taken a lot more boring college courses. I wish that was of course offered. I might have stuck with school if that was the case yeah me too oh wait I did but that was because those guys kept telling me you need to go back to school Go back to school We're getting down to it but I want to ask one more question do you think uh at the highest levels of Catholicism, do you think there are people that know the real translation of the Bible, because it seems to be fairly cryptic. Do you think that there are things built into it so that someone could pull a higher priest aside and say hey here's what we're talking about you know this means this this means this but don't tell the people that? do you think that goes on I mean I think that is totally possible I mean if he even thing about secret societies you know they have little code words or symbols that have much deeper

1:06:53 understanding or representation than what you see on the surface are the little bit that they're willing to share with you so I mean it's entirely possible. Yeah, it's a weird thing but then when you think about that is a well if the secret societies can keep these stories intact in a why couldn't the dogons But it's not really the Catholics, where you really have to take it is into the Jewish faith because the Old Testament where all of the really good stuff is. They've been so terrorized over the years and moved and whatever while it is possible there might have been issues just in preserving the ancient wisdom

1:07:43 Mm-hmm not to mention all the the conquistadors burning books and records of any tribes they came across ah that is such a disaster in the library of Alexandria Bye, I mean could you imagine? You know a library that was constructed. You know at the turn of Would it be the millennium? You know, at zero around 0 AD. You know way back then and having all of these documents still there for us you know because they were collecting old documents and putting them in the library could you imagine oh my god I know it's really tragic that some just grunt soldier who is told to go burn down this thing would just

1:08:34 you know, they influenced the culture forever. You know? It's... it really was a pivotal moment and I'm sure they didn't think of it that way. Well you know and the same thing happened in China also And I don't remember what emperor it was but it was around 300 AD that this one Emperor went into power and he wanted to basically rewrite history so he burned all the books So what burned there too who knows Right, so many people have tried to erase and then rewrite history for their own ego service and it's a sad reality but you know we got people like you writing books trying to piece this thing back together. And I appreciate it

1:09:16 Well, Rita it has been a great talk. I really enjoyed having you on is there would you like to tell the people about your other work? Sure. Well, I'd like to just share that my personal website is www.SoulHealer.com And basically it is the portal to everything Rita Louise. So you can get information about the book, I have three other books that are on that website my books there's information about my radio show there is information about the services I offer including medical intuition evaluations and energy work courses that I teach everything like I said if you want to know anything that I'm involved

1:10:04 Go there. But Man Made The Chronicles is also available on Amazon.com and BarnesandNoble.com We have released it in the Kindle version as well, so you can get the Kindle version there also but if you want an autograph copy you would have to order that book directly from me. Ooh nice! Very cool. Well, thanks so much Rita! Mythology as history one of my favorite topics to explore and we seem to find more truth in these myths all the time And hopefully we can talk more again in the future about some of your other work and you know, good luck in the new age of humanity. Can you believe it? It's finally here! I know... Alright well thanks have a good one. Alright thank you bye Well whoop there it is our side chatters Dr Rita Louise The pleasure was all mine. It has been awhile since the last THC and it took me forever to get this one online

1:11:01 There are little sweatshop slaves in India that look at my day job and they're saying no fucking way. And they feel sorry for me, if you'd believe it! My last two guests of 2012 had to cancel. Philip Coppins of Ancient Aliens wrote a great book called The Lost Civilization Enigma and the day before our talk he was diagnosed with a very rare form of cancer I don't know much about it It's called Angiosarcoma, and he's been hospitalized for four weeks So please let him know you care He's very active on his Facebook when he can be and i'm sure he would appreciate some messages Of kindness

1:11:40 It's worth, you know I was hoping i'd have this grand finale at the end of 2012. My last guest of the year was to be Jacque Fresco with The Venus Project who is going to be on THC but he fell and broke his hip But at 97 years old, these things happen. But he's doing great! Speeding through therapy should be on THC in just a few weeks You guys are great keep listening reviewing and sharing THC It's all very helpful check out conspirates net for some of the new shirts available Have a happy Christmas And hopefully I'll talk to you again before the podcast awards announcement on January 7th in Vegas and you know

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