THC 112: Vyzygoth | Patriotic Propaganda & The American History Conspiracy

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats How's it going Ironside Chatters? Drinking a little drink, smoking a little smoke. From sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood and today we're gonna try to find the truth beneath the pile of lies we call American history We've seen the elite propaganda applied to events in our lifetime Why would the past beyond that be any different So pack your glass and park your ass And let's break this spell together

00:54 Before we start waving wands and burning history books with today's guest, we're going to warm our engines with everybody's favorite crackpot historian and our occasional co-host Adam Goritely. Adam my man how the hell are ya? Real good Greg! Man you're going fast slow down there dude You need to drink more, drink more and smoke some more smoke. Yeah man if you're gonna give me the excuse I will take it but uh hey last time you were here i think we were talking about some celebrity guests that I'd really like to get on the show and I got across one of those names off the list not too long ago with Professor Griff how cool is that?

01:31 You got the professor, that's great. Yeah I've listened to about half the interview so far good stuff man that's cool Thanks man yeah he was a blast So now I guess I just need Corey Feldman Roseanne and then Tila Tequila And then we'll have the whole set I don't know about Roseanne or Tila Tequila. I've heard them in interviews and yeah, they got a lot going on maybe Corey Feldman could bust open the pedophile ring in Hollywood that'd be good. Yeah it would actually Tila Tequila is pregnant man! I don't know if you heard that?

02:09 Whoopie. Right! By who? I was gonna ask if you knew what you guys were going to name the baby. I think Medusa would be a good name, Medusa Tequila There ya go Yeah we're expecting it Oh man, yeah Corey Feldman would be probably of that list would be in serious all seriousness the best one But there was also another kid who's just come out and started naming Actual people in Hollywood in this apparent pedophilia ring. He's actually naming Bryan Singer Who is a director I've liked for a long time? he directed The Usual Suspects And then he did X-Men and he's doing like the Superman movies apparently said you know Bryan Singers done some inappropriate stuff with him behind closed doors when he was underage

02:54 Yeah, I saw that news article. You know? Take these things with a grain of salt but yeah there might be something to it." Yeah they don't like to let this information out so... Of course someone can be making things up for attention and you never really know but there seems clearly be something there that people just aren't talking about. Oh man! It's prevalent in society not only right you know the conspiracy theory goes on How boy more than i suspect you know back when growing up as a kid you know these stories would come out like my god what a freak but you know there's a certain segment of the population that it's uh... you know just in here and its part of the human condition you go to with two is certain degree right i mean it's like uh... sociopaths i think

03:45 Everybody has a bit of sociopathy in them to varying levels and it's the same thing with all these weird little sexual fetishes that people, well pedophiles more than a weird little sexual fetish but its part of the human condition man so yeah its gonna seep into world of the conspiracy notes away it's uh... it's all about having power over others and that's certainly a one way to maintain great power over people, not only children but to use in blackmail schemes. You know that's what the whole Franklin scandal was supposedly about they were set filming politicians doing such things and using that to blackmail them right yeah there is definitely that element too People have talked about that in secret societies for a long time and now this whole NSA rollout it's all on the news It's kind of like they're applying

04:46 Modality to just the general populace now that they have us on camera all the time If you are too vocal and the alternative movement, maybe they'll just find some Some creepy stuff. You were doing when he thought she were alone and just show it to you and be like do you want to stop talking? Or Just just make up some creepy shit about you know how you gonna with them with the internet back doors and getting into people's computers it, you know easy to set them up. Right and I'm gonna go on record now that any creepy stuff that comes out about me is made up! I promise there you go but it does seem like a universal law most than any secret organization of powerful old white guys some kids are going get fucked just kinda how good yeah

07:05 Folks, as much as we know about the major events that have been happening during our short lifetimes and the amount of manipulation that goes into shaping the narrative into a nice little patriotic package or propaganda it should be no surprise that the elites have been graciously gifting us with happy little history since their thought first crossed their minds. Well here to help us tear back the pretty paper and peer into the truth about American history, who's really in charge and how we're still affected by these hidden truths today is a longtime researcher radio host and good friend of our co-host Adam Gourightly. Visigoth my man welcome to THC! Hello Greg and hello Adam! Hello! Well man, I'm psyched for this. I know Adam got us together due to a listener request and i'm glad you could be here! I am so ready to challenge this burned in mental image we have of American history and the idealistic view we have with the forefathers And all that patriotic propaganda that your trying to fight against In your wheelhouse And it's kind of funny because So many conspiracy themed shows are constantly talking about what The founders would want and The constitution Have you noticed that man?

08:07 Please you know i become an estimate to them and i really dropped out of that whole. Scene around two thousand three. I want my own it stopped that was kinda like what they did also put their camera point when i, look for someone who went by the handle of the informer and a partner of his, James Montgomery. And the two of them did extensive research in writing on what the real deal was with the founding fathers and really the nature of government in our countries which is frankly about corporatism and it's about money. It's not about offering people

08:49 you know, a uh what do they say? Huddled masses yearning to be free. Well that's not it! The Statue of Liberty has a torch up because it used to have a help wanted sign on it And that's really the only reason so yeah, I mean they're all stuck on we have to get our Constitution back We have to vote in good government neither of which they ever had Especially for their lifetimes and perhaps all our lifetimes. It just wasn't the case and they run with it it becomes Just kind of like some non-sequitur that comes out of them out. They all parroted Mm-hmm Yeah But if they were to take a look at what Montgomery and the Informer showed, it's a really different story. And you know people are sick of hearing me say this because it is kind of the mantra I've adopted in that as Americans have been propagandized into believing they can't be propagandized and that's the sad truth of it all. No, 100% agree on that there are so many layers of the onion. You find some people who think

09:50 They're clued in and then you find that they're really into something, that seems like propaganda 101. There's all kinds of different places people can land on this but But I guess to start us off, we should go back to the place that you think would be most appropriate. Of course the most obvious of the colonial lies if we're talking American history is that wiping out the Native Americans and stealing their land wasn't so bad it's always got that... We brought them modern civilization kind of slant in school that even Helen Keller could see through and if we move through the timeline from there a bit where would you find the first major lies of the American story?

10:29 Well, let me just say that the downfall of this country is directly attributed to the Native Americans' loose immigration laws. So from the very beginning this was a commercial enterprise and there were number of nations that were involved in it chiefly the Brits and you know when we had the revolution You know, it really wasn't I hate to say it but that big a deal in the sense because for war had very few large battles. They didn't fight that much during the winter. A lot of them let's face it mean a lot of soldiers on both sides were either related or brother masons and some of this stuff I think was avoided up at any end they cut short and then as the Brits weren't so much concerned

11:16 concerned about whether or not we called ourselves states no longer colonies, but they had a commercial investment in this country and they wanted their return. And that's exactly why they said okay listen we don't have to do this fighting but this is how it's going to be now what I've said to a lot of people Read the Treaty of Paris, the one that ended the American Revolution. And if the Lusitans are the Brits then why did the Brits draft the terms? That's a little strange. That was King George III who also referred to himself as the Elector of the Holy Roman Empire Yeah, I've heard you talk about that and I was hoping you'd elaborate on it a little more because that's very telling piece of evidence. Well without getting too far afield let me say this we've never really been completely free of entangling alliances and a certain shall we say fiscal responsibility to return American money to Europe so in the sense we never finished paying tribute and that's part of what happened

12:19 after the war was over and the founders who were not elected by anybody to go down to Philadelphia. Now they were appointed supposedly, by some state administrators or politicians at the time, but the people did not have any say in what and who and what was going on down in Philadelphia. They were told that they were going to draft the Articles of Confederation—they were going to tweak them excuse me—and instead they threw him out summarily and then installed the American Constitution—the U.S. Constitution—and they used the word adopt because

12:57 you can find is a book online, it's called Sources of the Constitution of the United States. It's on constitution.org and it was written in 1894 by C. L. Stevens and he explains that the United States Constitution in many ways was a knockoff from the British Constitution and that made sense because our civil law was based pretty much on English law The one reason they didn't want to say too much about it, that being the founders was because they didn't want the new state residents of 13 states. To realize that pretty much they were back into the frying pan or at least the one their ancestors were in. Because what it did with this

13:38 The colonies, the states were supposed to be pretty much countries unto themselves. And people could say well that really would work in time and I don't give you all that you know? Iím not going to argue that but thatís what the soldiers were fighting for on the American side and no sooner did they get done with the war than the founders go on down to Philadelphia in secret because they didnít want anybody knowing they were gonna swap out of the articles of confederation with the constitution and with that The founders did it under duress because they were told by the Brits, ìDonít think that you donít still owe us money. And if you donít get it straight and we donít get our revenues then whatís going to happen is the businesses that you guys own on both sides of the Atlantic are going to be in trouble and then weíll come in with a blockade and will really make life miserable for youî so the founders who were elites, there were lawyers, bankers, realtors

14:36 the land barons and slavers got together, and in three days they pretty much adjusted the British Constitution made it ours. And that's what Ellis writes about, and I think it's an excellent source if you want to painstakingly go through it. Chapter 2 is the best by the way because he talks directly about the fact that US Constitution was not original. So, I mean, the founders took care of their own butts And right away, the new residents, the former soldiers especially realized they got screwed. They got a central government they didn't like close to the monarchial reign over in Europe because the US Constitution allows for that as we see even today going back let's just say FDR and all of the executive orders that have been written if you've got executive orders and there are I mean they can be written

15:26 implemented, you don't have a constitution like you think you have. You've actually allowed the president to become a monarchical figure always at the behest of somebody but that's what we've seen and obviously it was worse with FDR because of the depression and then later on in the war so the whole point is There was a group called the Anti-Federalists that, a lot of them signed on to the Constitution but they knew it wasn't any good. They knew it wasn't going to be well received by the citizens and there were a number of rebellions that sprang up in back of that most famous which nobody knows about is Shays' Rebellion up in Massachusetts

16:04 because they think that it would get screwed back no sooner did they get back to their forms the try to build a backup again where the u s government went ahead and hit with a heavier tax may never have before so that takes a question what changed Yeah. Same as the old boss! So I mean, let me just say that this was a commercial enterprise—you know, I consider myself a Bible-believing Christian—but Christians have it all wrong when they have this connectivity between God and the United States like Jehovah said you know, I like you guys a lot because Puritans and Pilgrims came over here for pride, and uh...I respect that. You know, its baloney. Most of the 13 colonies were all about businessmen

16:46 I mean, everybody may have been carrying a Bible back then but it's the same old story as it is today. You have nominal Christians who come out twice a year at Christmas and Easter. So there was nothing in this country that was so Christian that God would shed his grace on us That is just a story that has allowed Christians not to open their mouths and protest just like you had said earlier Greg the whole idea of a genocide of Native Americans. Like, where is that okay in Scripture? Let me know." And I'm not talking now about the Old Testament where warfare was all over the place—but the New Testament and words of Christ said we don't kill people! We don't defend anything with death but they

17:30 They look the other way, and of course we conducted the genocide arguably since 1804 or whatever. Certainly from the 1820s and we used it for expansion also to go with Florida and take that from the Spanish and the Brits also. And then we only took time out for the genocide to genocide each other in a civil war. And then after that was done, we went back and finished the job as we pushed them all further west. Nothing's ever said about that. What is that? Just collateral damage? Is that like too bad?" Right yeah It's funny what you see when you look at it through a different lens. When you factor in that it has been written by the winners, it is interesting to look at from an objective view but

18:11 It's interesting, you know talking about this subservience to the crown. We have had some researchers that have talked about that still going on today that the ground has been laid and in the background That's exactly what's going on even to the extent of today your property taxes are actually going into the crown like we're still renting the American land from Britain is that true? Well I mean as far as I can see We did not purchase this land from the Brits. The 13 states, the land which comprises the 13 states was not bought from Britain like you had to Gatson purchased in a Louisiana purchase. We didn't get it as a spoil of war

18:55 So who still owns it? I mean, arguably it goes back to Native Americans. And I had a guest on years ago that was really interesting talking about how some modern day projects like malls and shopping plazas and all this were stopped because they went back to the original transaction in New York and New Rochelle between the Native Americans and the Dutch. It's just wild! But I don't see how we ever really bought this place from the Brits or were given it by the Brits. It was just understood that we would be called states and all they wanted was money, and that's another thing that came in with a centralized government, which is a central bank, which the residents didn't want either because they were starting up separate banks that were thriving especially in Massachusetts

19:43 Again, they told him that the Brits said no good. Alexander Hamilton to me was more Tory or Brit than he was American and he got behind at Central Bank and then of course the rest is history. It's interesting to think about people in favor of states' rights because for the about 30 years that I've been alive, there has been little noticeable difference between them. But there is a bit of an irony about these distraction issues that they push like gay marriage and marijuana legalization because those two issues have started to make some states seem very different than others. And I think it is putting the idea of state rights back into the culture which is definitely a road they don't want us to go down but its funny that those distraction stories might have gotten us there

20:27 I think thatís probably not the mystic view. But let you have a little bit, you got a little leash in the States. You know, and Lord knows that there shouldn't be any states involved in marriages. That's another thing I mean who is the state to issue a license for marriage? Right yeah! That supposedly only happened on the eyes of God so to even argue these states with marriage is kind of like not the argument. I mean if this state shouldn't be involved all that the gays are going to do is find themselves in the same trap as the rest of us uh... who have been very fond of seldom with regard to what you want a home but when it really comes down to the serious stuff and i'll tell you know that i've been hearing this talk for years about all these states going to see from union in vermont's gonna do it no half she's going to do it in oklahoma is going to do it and nobody started because he will never be allowed to happen again because expedited federal court

21:20 in judgments handed down that the Constitution is a compact between the federal government and the states. And a private person, and this was stated well in Palfrey versus Georgia, private persons are not party to that contract. So what happened is I found this out again of course with the work I did with Montgomery and the Iron Man And we found that the reason why I used, we all used to hear patriots complaining on the Genesis Communication Network that they were in court and a federal court. They wanted to use the constitution. They couldn't understand why the judge said if you do that again, we're going to throw you in jail for contempt. But the point is the judges were doing exactly as they are instructed. We cannot use the constitution as a protection of federal court

22:05 And I won't go into all the people's may be sitting there going up alone and I will go with all the cases where this has happened But it has happened that I was involved in one when I was covering it for The American free press when I was writing for them and then the Patriots or thought well, that's a First Amendment issue No, what wasn't? It was at torrents. What it was was copyright infringement. Mm-hmm So the Patriot to blow it up is like a free first amendment situation. I talked to the lawyer for the defense and And I said, this is not a First Amendment case. And I said, A citizen cannot use the Constitution as protection and he laughed you know what he said? But yes well You know what he's at the decision does have an impact on first amendment rights but he knew that i was right and you know because that's The way it is and not many people know about unless they get caught in the federal machinery but if you do believe me

22:55 I mean, we've seen some nasty situations where people may have thought they were right or they were told they were right about getting out of the income tax and all this. But if a federal court wants to slam you, they'll slam you and nobody's going do anything about it. So that's why I'm saying you're never gonna see a state seat. That's baloney. Why? Because the compact of the Constitution. The other thing is a lot of the monies that they get now, like for instance with uh...the gasoline tax and such that money should stay in the state but it doesn't happen like that it gets sent to the federal government and then you get portioned back if the state would become recalcitrant want to get out there and make all this noise they'll just cut them off at the coffers which will give him the money yeah so no matter what you hear out of patriots no state will ever cede again

23:42 Right, yeah. It seems pretty far from the reality these days but I mean in modern times man...I know it's obviously well hidden and it's probably deep within the vaults of the Fed but is there anywhere where we get a glimpse of a paper trail back to Britain in the last couple of decades? Yeah there is and again let me just say this For people to do the research themselves, which is always a better way to go and also spend time there and get their questions answered. There's a section on my website thinkorbebeaten.com and you'll see the works of The Informer in Montgomery. And there's a book that Montgomery wrote strictly for the internet called A Country Defeated In Victory

24:35 That's where they go into it that the British Board of Trade just took over and became the agent between what really is the money that goes to the Federal Reserve, it goes to Fed then it goes across to Europe. So there you'll find something of a paper trail and I can tell you anecdotes but I don't want to take up time so I'm going to throw one at you. there was a woman who uh... was a at will is still i'm sure missionary and uh... her sister who was professor in college so listen i've got to go over the i think it was austria to attend this conference you want to go she said fine so our sister with the meetings as such but i think it would be anna uh... she was allowed walk around a certain uh... palace of all palestinian become area

25:26 You know, like a government building. And that she had access to a library! Then when she came back, she said to me. She goes I was stunned to see that in this library They had every single volume of every IRS law that was ever written You know from way back when huh? She said I also read some information and now it's clear to me That we were the ones the taxpayers that funded the Marshall plan and if you will, reconstructed Europe after the war. She said that was strictly American citizens paying for that So there's one of the stories that shows some kind of conduit and I mean there are others but if you go to Montgomery and you go to The Informer You'll find out That there is a tribute that we have been paying ever since the revolution damn Wow man, it's pretty interesting

26:26 Well, yeah. But you know what? And the thing is let's understand something I mean i'm not a Republican. I'm not a Democrat right Socialist and not a communist. I'm nothing. I mean government to me is complete charade It's a it's theater. It's a facade amen And the people who run the country don't run for office, they let the whores go ahead and take the brickbats and the applause and everything else. They all act like they want to help us out but really all their doing is facilitating who really runs this joint. Again it's all about money I think we all feel that something's going to happen, but I'm pretty sure it is going to happen. And the and we're gonna see an economic collapse out of which probably globalism will get incredibly expedited more so than a wood if it just go at its regular pace right now So like I said It's all about the money everybody's on fiat currency Which means? It's running basically just on

27:26 The belief that it does work in essence is i've said before it's like wiley coyote walking across the canyon on an invisible tightrope and he doesn't know he can travel until you look at. Yeah yeah, you know us into patriot radio and its all about we gotta bring back the constitution and all that but your suggesting me through it all away. uh... i've suggested that we never had it so they could have been cells but when you go to federal court this is where it's dangerous that's when you really have to get the machine about their uh... you'll find out you cannot use it as a protection

28:05 It's funny because after I got involved with those two gentlemen and saw it, then every so often something would come down the line. And it would involve that which would not make any sense to me if I didn't realize or wasn't aware of their work because you don't really pay attention to that thing but then after that, you see that no, somebody was turned down for trying to prosecute a case on Constitutional grounds and it's like if you are a citizen forget it. And you can take a look for yourself with all the decisions that are made so... Who are these cats? The informer in Montgomery, are they insiders or how'd they come across all this information?

28:48 The informer was a long time Jersey resident who then moved down to North Carolina and it was there that I take it that he met this gentleman, James Montgomery. And I don't know what got them onto it. I think pretty much the informant whose real name is Al Coombs may have been somebody who always kind of butted heads perhaps with the law or where he thought the law was wrong and that led him on a pretty much 40 year plus research into all that we're talking about. I mean, it's the wet work that nobody wants to do It's not sexy It's like reading a phone book But he went through it all and I have as many resources as I was allowed to put up That he and Montgomery are responsible for Yes so them just talking about that you see here is the problem

29:39 I was into that in the beginning and I realized something wasn't right. And everybody, you know... The Patriot crowd makes fun of the masses for being sheep and such. But they're the same way! And they're being led down a Pied Piper path the same way that mainstream news leads the whole country So all they are doing is subjecting themselves to the same process and they've showed their servile and can't do anything without somebody telling them what to do And for the most part that comes down from Jones who also is exactly well That was going to be my next question is if with all this cost Constitution and freedom talk and these two things being apparently opposites I mean do you have any opinion on whether? This is out of ignorance or another level of the propaganda and co-opting the movement in terms of these types of radio shows like Alex Jones

30:31 Well, it's really both because unless you go outside what is being spoken of and Jones is aware of that. He's too smart not to be I don't know how much others are because they really kind of are just going through this with wishful thinking And that's not gonna get you anywhere. I mean You're just gonna claim oh, I had no idea but she didn't want to have an idea if that's the whole point So I mean, they keep drumming up this 1776 thing which is a canard to begin with. They have no idea about what the Federalists were like and why the Anti-Federalists were like the good guys because they realized where this country was going into that document when you take a look at the moral fiber as I said of these founders who are basically scumbags and hypocrites to the max

31:16 But we got this grade school indoctrination, which is what all that school's really about. I mean that's why the communists have it as the 10th plank in the manifesto of free education! Well gee, you don't want to be in a national indoctrination program where it's more about training than it is teaching So these patriots are running around with Bunker Hill on their mind and all this stuff And in essence... It just basically is a matrix Yeah, man. I mean this is really interesting because obviously i'm not a fan of Alex Jones and I never thought that the solution to the problem would be to elect Ron Paul It just seemed way too simplistic and even for a guy at his level he obviously should know this And I've been looking for a role for Ron Paul like why is this guy you know? He seems pretty honest

32:06 Seems to be talking some truth, but he still wants to maintain himself in the Republican Party which you'd think he wanted detached from. Maybe this is the role of Ron Paul to get people all confused about the Constitution and freedom and all that flag waving stuff Well, the thing is he'll always get elected. I mean he'll die and still get re-elected. And what people got disappointed about...and i got these emails from people that should know better when they found out his son went over to the Republican party right? He's like well we should have known. Yeah you should have known! What is the problem with you?! If your going to run for office your not gonna be the person that everyone wants you to be. It's a rigged deal and it's dirty

32:46 And Ron Paul can say anything he wants, you know. He gets on these committees, he does – you know, he speaks theory very well and I'm sure by now they just look at him as some kind of like... You know old man who's become idiosyncratic and just leave him alone because he really doesn't hurt anybody But that's what got me about Jones I just got sick of listening to Jones because he's just annoying as hell and around I started listening to him a little bit in 2000 more in 2001, and then I listened heavily Through 2002 I started a show. I had a genesis communication host and their guests on they had me on I did some substituting sitting in for others and I just got so sick of Jones and his

33:30 Bunker mentality that I just stopped listening to GCN, you know And I never even gave our Vienna a shot because I was already sick of it and stability GCN anyway So what? I hear from somebody is like hey Do you believe this he goes check out Jones. He's stumping for Ron Paul for president. I'm like what Because before that Jones had always talked about how government was basically bad man yeah and rightfully so and now I see this he's our last chance and and alright but at that time also There's a website out there, AlexJonesMachine.com and it's by woman apparently who had been an insider and she showed that he had opened up four LLCs right around 2002-2003 moved to a Tony neighborhood and seemed to have cash money injection into his enterprise and then at the same time started stumping for Ron Paul. That's all I'm putting together but once you did that I said the dude sold out and of

34:31 And of course, Ron Paul didn't get elected. So was that our really last chance? He's never going to get elected! He's just out there saying what he's saying. He has his constituency. He's happy everything's fine but it isn't going anywhere. I thought no...I was just blown away around that time that there were aerial photos of Alex Jones' mansion Frickin huge. Well, you know I'd give him all that that's fine But something took place where he changed his message and it was very obvious to me because I had stopped listening and Somebody said just go take a look and I couldn't believe it You know It's one thing the gradualism when you're with somebody in here There's a little in a little and maybe you don't you go ahead with it? But I just dropped in I'm like what?

35:21 And that's when this stuff started with the Constitution and good government. You will never, ever vote good government in! Never! And I would say that terrorism which goes back as far as part of the political process with the Bolshevik Revolution and Trotsky... Terrorism is the last card a government will play Because of terrorism, they can do whatever they want. And as you've seen since 9-11 people have no problem with whatever the government wants to be a totalitarian or not it's like okay as long as you're telling me I'll be alright and it is a great thing to use because it never really has to happen You just have to talk about it and then of course what becomes a domestic terrorist?

36:06 is what i'm saying right here well of my country no do i hate it no i will be i paid my taxes i don't pay the laws leave me alone i realize that the corporation and that's all it isn't it got their idea to buy a wallet that's the nature of the beast You can't do much to fight it, but at least we can talk about it still. That isn't illegal yet But getting back to the founding fathers you know when I look at historical figures I always keep the Thomas Edison Nikola Tesla debacle in mind where both were working on electricity Tesla system was better for the people but Edison's model is easier for General Electric to charge for and thus Tesla was marginalized and Edison is worshipped as a great man because he served the masters better Would you say that there that we hold a similar

36:50 regard for the founding fathers for similar reasons? Well, I mean when i talked to the Ironman and we talked about Patrick Henry in particular. And Henry had some biting remarks about the Constitution but he signed it! And I'm like banging my head on the table going, He knew this because heís the one that said, ìToday our country is tilted toward monarchy.î I said, ìBut Iron Man? Why did he sign it?" And he said because above all else, he was a lawyer. It happens in every nation. As soon as you get a nation birthed, whatís the first thing? Itís mercantilism.

37:38 that's all new petal nations are in the markets that's what we are there no safe havens for people yearning to be free baloney it's another market it's been like that since she's been going back a lot of the sea and the phoenicians i guess at hammurabi scott and all that if that was the first thing it was it would surface travel because of of uh... doing business america collision and that's what birth money that's not all story about what would have happened if the divine law was followed in the old testament there'd be no use for money, there would be other ways of exchange. So that's the first thing that happens and it happens everywhere its been going like that since Babylon and its a great book about that too you can read online called The Babylon Woe by the late David Astell what piece of work that is then you realize why bankers were always hated because when they were money changers son-of-a-guns

38:32 They're the ones that created interest and all that. All right, you know that's fine but the Babylonian Woe is really interesting it's a long read but I'll tell you what its fascinating and so here we are today! What's the big deal? All I wanted to know was what it was all about good bad or otherwise just telling me the damn truth because I knew I wasn't getting it and then you realize don't get into sweat man its all about money In answering you, all I can tell you is that it was a financial situation that urged the founders to create the Constitution under duress of the Brits and their threats. And then they came in 1812 and kicked us around a little bit. Then we got the Civil War which was a message to us with the 14 amendments that came afterwards in which the states' rights were just pretty much fully dead.

39:20 That's when everybody was a resident of the state, of the nation first and the state last. And I think you've heard more than that about it than I would have to mention. So we were groomed until the 20th century to be what we became in the 20th century. Sadly, we became the hitman for corporations starting with the Spanish-American War. The Brits no longer colonized and couldn't handle it anymore as they had beforehand and that's when they got us involved. You may have heard me say this before but

39:56 if you're thinking united states and u k think master and blaster from the thunderdome since we were the blast their they're the best there can't frankly they used us whenever they needed us if you notice they had two things in the poor war that's what we picked up and that would be a bit to be and that's where we're going to get dashed our time is about over That's a good analogy. I like that one and knowing the Federal Reserve is a sham, and it's a major instrument of our enslavement is kind of that conspiracy 101 stuff but we know we've never been free or will be free under a central bank but I am a little more surprised to hear that the Federal Reserve has affronted channel money back to now the British Royal Family! That's pretty interesting and no one is talking about it

40:42 And it goes through the Vatican as well. I mean, that nexus between the city of London and the Vatican which is a nation-state – everyone forgets that too because they think its religious thing and its facade of religiosity but itís a nation state ñ itís the richest in the world. There was a time when the Rothschildís could duke the Vatican alone. Itís the other way around now. In fact, itís funny because Godfather III refers to that and I laugh because it's the one of the three that's the least put on TV. And, I don't think it's just because it isn't the best of the three. It's because it whacks The Vatican and others Swiss bankers and such you know Bank of International Settlement uh...it jus- it wacks them in a movie and I don't think anybody is really happy with that. Yeah what about

41:29 these threads that the founding fathers were all Freemasons, I mean does that even raise any real concerns? Or are they just still soldiers for that larger power structure. Do they have... do the Masons is not even really relevant Are they too far below at the top of the pyramid you know well first of all people will point to the fact that a lot almost everybody in politics I guess up until 1825, 1830 or so seemed to be Masons and it was a concern enough for this young country that they came out with the anti-Masonic party. And you know what? I don't know what was going on back then whether or not people were afraid that this is gonna come into...I mean its no really a secret society but obviously nothing's completely out of the table

42:16 So, yeah I guess there was but you see they whack the masons too much. To me they're just another pinata that's being used to distract. You know if anything the Rosicrucians have probably more on Freemasonry than the Freemasons you know, and are the ones that are probably more responsible for certain things is remember... And you can go to a website called soul.org That is the website for American Rosicrucianism what they consider the pure one that comes out of Germany and in there they'll show who were Rosicrucians among them was Washington I believe Lincoln was too So you see, to me You could haul out the masons and beat em up

42:58 But the symbology that everybody gets all excited about, which is occult in nature. That goes before them. That's way before the Masons. I mean that goes back also to Babylon so they would incorporate it. Okay fine, I'm not really happy with that but I don't have to join either and I didn't but the Masons are held out to be too much just like the Bilderbergs you know? Oh no its not the Bilderbergs! I'm sorry its just another distraction as is Masonry So you can punch them out, but it's really not the case that they are shakers and movers. In fact in many ways it is dying out. You brought up George Washington let me ask you about him for a minute because it seems strange that his image is so squeaky clean and I've read that if

43:45 If you adjust for inflation, he's far and away the richest president we've ever had. And of course he owned 300 slaves and I'm not too sure...I'm convinced that he was that great a guy. Can you give us some info on him? He was a prick! That is what this is. That's the nature of what these guys were. You know they were successful, they were bright, and they took care of business to do with it how they had to do. There are no two ways Washington was son-of-a-bitch I mean, one of the reasons he... Get this. Here's your sitting president Who leads a contingent of the Continental Army along with Hamilton and they go out to Western, Pennsylvania to slap around the? Guys who are making whiskey if you've heard of the Whiskey Rebellion And one of the things that Washington had going was that he had distilleries Exactly Anuki Thompson exactly no and I believe he was also involved in

44:42 Or his wife was, I guess so that it wouldn't be so obvious with being a stockholder in the original bank of the first Central Bank of America. And I think they were involved in a bank in England as well – that I'm not sure about. I think I'm right but I just can't speak to it with authority because I've tried to do this from memory which gets worse with every year I live. But, yeah I mean Washington was not a nice guy. There's no two ways about it and what I have to laugh at is we're such a Christian nation once again and if Georgie is such a great Christian how in the world did you let Enfant and a couple other people go crazy in DC with all the Masonic and beyond that occult symbolism? Have you ever seen the painting of the Rotunda of the Capitol called The Apotheosis of Washington? Is that one that looks kind of godly?

45:32 Well, it's got just about every single Greek and Roman God there like Minerva and Neptune in all these. And I'm laughing because this is a Christian country? And we've got these characters? What does that have to do with anything?! You know you've got your 555-foot obelisk the phallic symbol from Horus Um, was it Horace? No. It was, excuse me I misspeak... Osiris! Yeah The missing... Sorry you know Ms. Cyrus was killed in 13-14 parts and they only found 13. Couldn't find his dick so they made a prosthetic. I mean look at that then you got the female dome of course And it's just... You need to tell me Washington didn't know this is going on That this place is gonna bear his name Along with the very interesting use of Columbia Like what the hell is Columbia Who's Columbia

46:23 You know, nobody ever asked that. Like what's with this woman on the money and on top of the capital? And in New York Harbor—what's with the female and the Columbia stuff?" Of course that goes back also to a cult worship. Interesting yeah there's definitely a lot of that weirdness but I've always just attributed it to Masons and then a lot of this stuff that they have is based on that older stuff those Egyptian mystery schools It is weird that they use the same symbols. They do, but you know when you start getting into the pantheon of gods...that's got nothing to do with Masonry I mean Zeus and the boys and you know right? That, somebody has gotta explain it to me! The Zodiac, ya'know?!

47:02 Yeah, that's the weirdest one. And on your search to find who is at the top of the pyramid which we've kind of gotten too but where did you find the 13 bloodlines of the Illuminati? Do you find them anywhere do they fit in anywhere are they just below the top or are they again just another pinata group to beat up a straw man to distract us from the real power? Alright what did you call him the 13 what bloodlines? 13 bloodlines of the Illuminati, the 13 Illuminati families. There's been a couple books-13 seems to be the number they give? I don't know...I guess they weed out the 14th and 15th richest family and just focus on the top thirteen? To say that they're not involved..I mean listen you had The Monarchs

47:44 but some of whom consider themselves meridians and that means it looked at the meeting to do so for the bloodline of of christ became monarchs of course comes with that was the uh... the right to rule uh... a spiritual right to rule if you guys are chosen generationally of course it's going to trickle down do i get involved in thirty bloodlines no not necessarily because I mean, it doesn't stop there. Now people use the word Illuminati as a catchphrase and kind of an umbrella term which i also did but when I realized what it came down to of course you know that's another day with the Jesuits at Weisshaupt That to me was the illuminati that was code for illuminati because at that time the jesuits being persecuted all across Europe

48:33 That term more or less kind of went away when the smoke cleared and it was okay to come back out again. Again, that's another story but you know a lot of this stuff is spooky and it's interesting and it does have some basis there are no two ways about it but I left it so long ago because it really doesn't make any difference at the end of the day So, you know does it exist? Yes. Do I think they're running the show? They're part of it No doubt there were part of it and I'm not saying that the Bilderberg is or the trilaterals aren't part of this whole thing But they don't sit on top of the heap and then I tell you the orders come down from Europe And it's interesting Europe right now Is the Holy Roman Empire once again when Rome that we knew the nation-state Rome more or less crumbled

49:19 The whole notion of the Holy Roman Empire just got head, if you will, it's shape-shifted. And if you will, the Brits have probably held that for over a century or more at definitely over a century So we're seeing to become restored again and Europe is not going to whatever happens on this planet You're gonna This might take solely I understand but Europe's going to get out of this without a hair on its head hurt There's some other people are gonna get a real kick in the ass like United States and probably the Mideast But the Holy Roman Empire will stay pretty much pristine, let's just say. Yeah unscathed that'll be the marker to look for but you know on another aspect to the creepiness of their actions I noticed you did several shows in the past that were

50:06 were kind of on this idea that there seems to be a very precise astrological alignment and specific dates where these major events are planned by the elite, these false flag type situations. And I know you've noticed these things but have you had any other revelations about this weird matching up of dates in astrology? Are you referring to the stuff that happened in last couple years with an individual by the name of Ronald Lee Claxton. I remember, I had a discussion a couple of times—I mean through emails and stuff—and I told him about occultism and worshipping if you will of astrology in the heavens and creation not of the creator but of the created. And they're like well you know what? Well I don't believe in that! You know it's like that's okay but understand they do

50:58 And Rodney got into some really interesting stuff, I mean kind of like... He had a tiger by the tail in which he showed using his software program called Starry Starry Night the alignment at certain points in history and how it always seemed to be this relation. And I'm just going to say this very loosely because it really is something to get into about a Jupiter-Gemini connection And when that took place, certain propitious events happened. Or maybe not so propitious But if they in fact...if the occult does worship the created The stars and I mean there's astrology and there's astronomy Well then yes they look for certain times but if you've noticed Everyone who tries to go ahead and forecast something is always wrong

51:48 So, you know if you go and think well gee now 11-11 means something it's November remember when that happened? Oh it was November 11th 2011. Oh somethings going to happen! Well it did. You know thats another thing don't worry about it whatever is going to happen its gonna happen but usually gets found out in retrospect and that really doesn't do much of forecasting a future one but I would say yes then there you get down to good or evil and that gets pretty heavy the spiritual realm Yeah, it does. There's definitely weird elements to that but Adam you had something? Oh yeah, as you talked about the US getting our asses kicked How do you see that coming down what do you see happening all right I know we're a little short on time so if I'll cut to the chase You know I mean understand you get in a short version there are some things that are interesting and one is that usually when an empire is used To in a lot of ways become One that scourges

52:44 It usually is double-crossed and in turn kicked to the curb when it's no longer needed. Napoleon's army, the Grand Army had a reason for running roughshod across Europe and Africa but I don't understand why in the world that Napoleon would bring his armies to fight Russia with the onset of winter but that was what happened and that was the end of Napoleon. uh... yet it was a second revival but if they really do much that you look at the the right are you kidding me that the dot is we're going to go into russia in the wintertime what happened this water was done they got the job though they were supposed to get i believe hitler was firmly firmly taken orders i mean i think he had churchill would just be a plane opponents but there were all of us a team if you will what happens nazis ticket dashed the doorstep iraq should the way apart

53:37 And now I think we're going to have that happen to us, and it's going to happen. It was Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in the, I think 1994, The Grand Chessboard, and that's riffing off a theory about what landmass must be won for the last empire to rule? And that is what he called Earth Island which is Eurasia pretty much – it's the landmass between Portugal and Vladivostok But within that, there's a pivot area that if it can be held by certain force or an empire they will run the show. Because as Mackinder said in like 1904 or 1909 or something, it's not about the Western Hemisphere anymore – it's going back to Eurasia. All right? Brzezinski took what Mackinder called The Heartland and he called it The Grand Chessboard

54:24 And he said, and I thought this was really wacky when I read it in 1995. He said that the United States would be unwise to agitate an axis of Iran China and Russia. And he stated in the book more than once to a point where I'm like okay these guys are telling me something and i really do believe that's what's going to happen would never get out of the release forget about it i think you're sick of it they could get recycled but the material is not leave you don't build a basis like he did in iraq in israel if you go pullout so i think pretty much united states is good at getting involved in a three-way fight and there are the strangers uh... you can look at southwest asian if u will speak their pete said uh... and i believe that this is going to be uh... customers last mistake if you know what i mean

55:09 So we're going to be, we've done our job. We're gonna get damaged I think the United States is definitely going to get lit up with nukes And our time is done and they're gonna go on some other eon led by whatever probably a global situation And I don't think Russia China are going to do anything themselves because everybody's in total World Bank these days so you know get out of line There's another thing also, and that comes from the Rosicrucians also. That website soul.org has a book called The Manesis Chronicles If you break that word up, man-sis, it's man in Isis. That's the way its spelled Now I don't think they sell that book anymore but I had a copy and I read it What was interesting is

55:50 The author, who used the pseudonym was talking about a scenario where the old world would finally kick our ass and that this country would have its soldiers all over the place but that we would be invaded and not able to do too much about it. And the only thing that stopped it was if you will kind of like celestial geological event where there was great upheaval on the globe, you can call it pole shifts or whatever you want And that stopped the fighting and the armies went back to where they came from because for the most part, they didn't know if they even had a country to go back to. I found that extremely interesting and when you think about both of those scenarios, I think we would give it a wink at a nod and told exactly what's going to happen to us and is not going to be good

56:37 Yeah, it seems like that script was written long ago. But just so we don't go out on such a positive note as you just gave us... What does Visigoth's utopian paradise look like? I know we're pretty much under the thumb and can't do much about it but how would you structure the world if you wanted something that was sustainable and free? Do you get rid of currencies altogether or corporations altogether? How do you make this world work man? My answer is loaded! and it's going to be unacceptable to just about everybody but there was a plan for that in the old testament and that would have worked humankind didn't want it so the game got shifted uh... yeah I just don't see, honestly with all this perhaps though is gonna happen if there's a burden with that as well

57:27 uh... you still got your life to lead the school for your place at the big hero beach but as far as a global situation or governmental situation the days of any kind of positive governance are over what like those on you know people have children and this place is going to be around for quite some time it's been sports apparently i could not work he would outside the bible and that's not gonna happen there's gonna be no paradise here There's that uplifting note you were looking for yeah, I Mean it's just well the truth is that every person you still get married gonna have children You're going to have wonderful experiences. It's in a microcosm that this happens and that's still good enough for me But we try to right the wrongs

58:20 Adios. Yeah, well be careful man with the exception of the biblical talk you're starting to sound a little bit like the late great Michael Rupert Mr. Peacock? Well yeah but he just committed suicide because he just got too positive—too optimistic about our situation. Pardon me if I'm suspicious about that but okay no problem. Fair! Well yeah man it's been a great time talking to you i feel like I've learned a perspective that i had not heard previously so thanks for doing that. Adam, thanks for getting us in touch would you like to tell the people about your work and where they can find you online before we let you go Viz? Alright appreciate that website is thinkorbebeaten.com there's a lot of free stuff up there other individuals like Eric The Blacksmith

59:08 and Gordon Comstock who have contributed. What we do right now is just suppressed history, that's all we deal with it's called the Olympic Files and all the shows are on that site you can also be found on Radio for All And that's all I'm dealing with because I've come to from my answer I've got what I needed and I just want to show people through suppressed history then we can document that it was not the way was told to us Well said man! Alright well much appreciated It's been a blast Adam anything else add? No, I guess what we need is a good pole shift. Clean things up Yeah, let's just hold out for that Everybody just grab a tree and lean one way But it's been a blast man take care of yourself Thanks. All right. Thanks Greg. Thanks Adam be talking to you. Take care We've got enough military school

1:00:12 These politicians wars A war without wisdom All these military scoreboards Are all we need right now Insurance, health, invasion When I hear us all screaming Hear us all singing together Hear us all screaming fusion Your status quo punishment And one thing is for sure I know someone always said The opposite relations were hideous Yeah, books to children It's wrong We stand alone