Steven Snider aka Recluse | The Epstein Conspiracy, NXIVM, & The Blackmail Blueprint

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00:51 Which means you'll unfortunately never hear my voice again. In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed the nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times. I'm Greg Carlwood And these are the higher side chats. Serenity now, dear listeners! Welcome to The Show from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood operating your trusty digital lighthouse in the vast darkness that is lurking almost everywhere you look

01:42 And if you use the term apocalypse by its original meaning to describe a great unveiling of such an extreme degree of magnitude that it breaks the world as we know it, I think it might be fair thing to say at this point in time line that we are in an apocalyptic era. Because it wasn't long ago that I would have been genuinely shocked to hear about these things that now seem fairly normal The coordinated mainstream rollout of a UFO campaign to find the next boogeyman for the military-industrial complex. The cartoon character reality star president sounding off daily on Twitter. The leader of a black male fueled Hollywood self help cult backed by major power pyramid families that procures wannabe starlets and brands them with hot iron has actually been found guilty and is now in jail

02:28 The quote-unquote suicide of Jeffrey Epstein in a maximum security prison under a supposedly tight watch has made a conspiracy theorist out of everyone. An unmarked mass grave of hundreds of children's bodies has been publicly unearthed at the Vatican, and a new Tarantino movie has come out that genuinely sucks." It's all a bit outside what I'm used to people but i'm rolling with it and I think we're due to talk about at least a few these things today Most importantly, the Jeffrey Epstein saga and his tangled web of connections. As well as Keith Raniere and the exposure of his own little cult And while these sorts of stories shouldn't surprise anyone who's familiar with Jimmy Savile's dark history The Finders Cult Franklin Scandal or any of the other dark dust-ups that give us a glimpse into the child trafficking in blackmail networks that wield the real power in deep politics You got to admit it's odd to see the karma come calling like it has

03:22 Well here to help me step back from the edge of madness is a long overdue returning guest who goes by the name of Recluse and covers these complex things with non-partisan nuance and conspiratorial clarity that is rare to see these days on his blog, Vice Upview. A not-so safe space dedicated to exploring the vast Fordian realms of mind control, deep politics, sacred geometry, synchronicity, occult film and music, the supernatural, the extraterrestrial, the multidimensional and other high weirdness in all its many forms. You might remember our last show detailing Nazi occultism, deep state rituals and the Nine which is largely considered a top shelf THC show in the archives. And I already feel the magic coming back so let's get into it! The conspiratorial connection chronicler and eight-legged esoteric agenda exposer Recluse good to have you back how the hell are ya? I'm doing great it's definitely awesome to be back on THC

04:20 I seem to remember our last show went pretty well, so hopefully this will also be informative for your listeners. Absolutely man! I am quite psyched The blogs that you've posted about Epstein and his vast network of high-level connections as well as your NXIVM coverage have both been top notch, and I know THC listeners are hungry to have us get into such things. But when legal proceedings are going on—which has been true in both these cases—I like to let the story play out before we dedicate a show to something that doesn't have an end. And while I hope this isn't the end of the investigations Epstein is apparently dead and Keith Raniere was found guilty of sex trafficking, forced labor, racketeering and wire fraud. So at least we have a little closure but the other factor is partisanship I can't tell you how many times an Epstein researcher has been recommended to me only to spend time digging into their work And given up because it becomes clear they're ignoring the connections that make their political team look bad

05:20 Something we should all be past at this point, but really these networks of child trafficking and blackmail. They know no bounds Do they oh? No absolutely not and I mean that's the big thing that epstein should have highlighted to everybody which obviously it didn't What should have been drawn from it was that it definitely was bipartisan in nature. I mean, definitely Epstein was more well ingrained with the democratic establishment there's no denying that but clearly he also had some very conservative contacts as well both in the US and UK There are actually some people on the infamous black book of his who turn up for Brexit as well

05:57 It's definitely a multi-spectrum of politicians and different politics that were represented in Epstein's black book, no question. Yeah, and I also think it's pretty obvious that Epstein didn't kill himself. He was definitely suicided the day after a major document dump of thousands of pages in one of America's most secure facilities only a week after the first attempt to kill himself off at a time when guards were told to leave for maintenance or were sleeping depending on which article you read and surprise surprise the security camera malfunctioned It's about as bold as it gets isn't it man?

06:33 Oh yeah, absolutely. And then what was it? He was taken off of suicide watch after a prior attempt on the 23rd after only six days I think there's actually some dispute now that he was his attorney who had been pushing for him to be taken off of suicide watch to food so Yeah i mean It's almost comical just how ham-fisted all this has been I definitely think there was probably a deliberate intention to try to further stoke the division in this country with the quote-unquote suicide, which is such obvious bullshit. Indeed indeed and some people are speculating over if he's really even dead i've seen some posts that try to make the case that the body that was briefly shown on The Stretcher was actually Hillary Clinton's brother Tony Rodham who did just die a few weeks ago

07:20 But I don't know about that. What is more interesting to me is that they called in Dr Michael Badden for the Epstein autopsy and he's the same guy who was in charge of the JFK and MLK assassination investigations, also testified at the OJ Simpson trial was involved in the Michael Brown investigation and his married to one of Phil Spector's main attorneys So he seems like the guy you call when you need a high profile case to get a quick whitewash and go the way you want it too now. Yeah absolutely absolutely i had even actually looked into that one yet but i mean its hardly surprising that they would pull out some character like that for this quote unquote investigation yep gatekeeper sorts

08:04 Okay to get into this thing there still a lot of confusion over who was and how he made his money seems pretty clear that he was a major player in the child trafficking business and not the underlying purpose of his operation was compromising billionaires and political elite. For someone i'm sure having a home in the aptly named virgin islands and known tax haven is part of the scheme but he's not one of these dynastic names you know how do you assess ebstein broadly what his role was and who we really worked for. Will you clearly seems to have been groomed i would say for this role for some time and i think a key clue was something that one of my readers recently shared with me ktv that he had been, recently brought into his first job i believe is kind of teaching gig like an elite academy or something like that it name escapes me but the guy who brought him in was david bar.

09:00 Who happens to be the father of william barbara current us attorney general who's overseeing this investigation and more importantly from the perspective my research this david was also a former officer the office strategic services which was the predecessor agency to the CIA during world war two. And definitely based on what i've been covering there's a lot of background from this kind of old ss old boy network that sort of hovers in the background of this you know expensive network that's been going on for several decades. But i mean if steve goes out he is gonna tap by bar,

09:37 Then by nineteen eighty seven he encounters donald trump which is far as i can tell was their first meeting. And no vanity fair just had an article they published a blue just a few days ago the detail how he met this lane maxwell's apparently around ninety one ninety two shortly after her father allegedly committed suicide under equally dubious circumstances let us just say, And apparently it was Trump who had urged Epstein to get into contact with her too. Of course, Yashleen would go on to become his so-called madam and definitely I think was the source of some of his really upscale contacts especially in the British establishment but i mean Epstein definitely seems like someone who had been maybe talent scouted by this network you know when he was relatively young and was eventually brought into more of the inner workings by Trump at some point in the late 80's

10:29 And i would just add a little bit to that first point which is yes abstein was the college dropout in his twenties. Any was hired to teach at dalton school which was originally called the children's university school oddly enough, But he was hired with almost no qualifications by the headmaster donald bar who is the father of william bar the trump appointed attorney general who was overseeing the abstein case i mean that's a pretty strange circle events just right there. Absolutely and it spirals out to insane proportions of course as you know and,

11:11 What's been most eye opening about your coverage of this to me and how far you go in linking certain people and other blackmail networks is that the crux of all this and similar scandals like it in the past, is that we have this person collecting a black mail file on the rich and powerful. And the subtext of everything is controlling that file, because if you want to take the country in a different direction than it's been going for the last few decades which seems clear over the last couple years then you need to free up the compromising material that keeps these political figures in line or you need to get it yourself.

11:50 As Gordon White put it in his recent newsletter, if you're one of these kid fuckers expect a phone call because you probably work for someone else now. And I think that kind of nails it! Yeah absolutely i mean it's definitely a control mechanism and this was something that sort of initially came on ensure there might be other instances but one of the earliest time familiar or some of the revelations concerning p2 the you know infinite italian masonic large that was involved so heavily in italian deep politics in the late seventies early eighties. But i mean one of the pre requests for joining p2 is that you essentially had to turn over,

12:26 Compromising material do you have a boat on yourself and associates of yours to the grandmaster galley so that they would essentially service control files. So yeah i mean this is definitely been a big part of this and it's not just in the united states its clearly and a lot about western nations and probably even beyond west but this is essentially how does system has been run for many years now, Absolutely and so many other people connected and not connected have gotten wise to how to set up stuff like this i mean that is the next call in a nutshell from what i've read alice and mac who was his right hand madam there's always a female sidekick cuz the female can get the women in line they feel a kinship to another woman and of course thats betrayed but it's pretty useful tactic.

13:16 And from what i understand when people would get into the inner circles of next you had to send compromising material to a dropbox folder she give me the link and should be like okay put some stuff in there and then we'll move up to the next level, same story compromise material that ube very embarrassed got out don't really know what your getting into it once you've done that you're in their pocket forever. Absolutely and then i mean the other kind of curious aspect that we think maybe got a glimpse of the upstate case as well where these black projects sort of hover in the background of course it's very interesting that have seen had so many ties to scientific community and many leading scientists like stephen hawkins and so forth

14:00 And that definitely raises some interesting questions, especially in regards to his Mexico property. A lot of these allegations that he was very interested in eugenics and transhumanism and so forth And this is been something that you just kind of brought up gordon white the great gordon way to run soup who is really compellingly argued for years now. That these illicit funds that were generated through drug trafficking and like had possibly been used, do find some of those black research that's researched it you really not want public know about in the case of epstein Is a former attorney even said that he had a keen interest in genetic manipulation and obviously this is something that if you were to even try to do it in public for me or something it would take years to probably get legislation passed allowing you to do it. So like epstein with his resources he would have been in a great position to do this early sponsor the kind of research on the qt so to speak but nobody being aware of it

15:01 Excellent points and i definitely want to get into that black project stuff I mean it is some of the wildest material in this saga. But I wanted to do a little more foundational stuff first maybe run through some of the names and Epstein's little black book, Of course, it doesn't necessarily implicate these people in any crime but ain't good to be in that book. What names did you see? How far and wide does this stretch? I mean it definitely stretches all across the United States and the British establishment there's even some Israelis and so forth in there It's definitely a far-reaching network of contacts that Epstein had no question

15:48 Obviously there were quite a few interesting names there are a lot of people probably would focus on the. No one's linked to the entertainment industry you had some that were rather expected i suppose in a sense kevin spacey michael jackson, Ralph fines was kind of an interesting one there he's a distant relation of the royal family. Courtney love who i'm sure you're aware they are quite a considerable amount of conspiracy theories surrounding her and the death of kurt cobain yet bob weinstein the brother of harvey weinstein who appears to have been a sexual predator for any number of years he had forced quite a few women to commit sexual acts with him as part of his job overseeing miramax

16:29 And then of course you have the broths some of the real big political dynasties the Rothschild's have representatives in the book specifically evelyn to rothchild who is one of the major ones. And also another associate of the ross child family who had previously been implicated as a pedophile who was peter mandelson, Who had also been a big factor in the Labour Party in the UK. He had worked with Tony Blair and Gordon Brown and their administrations, he was part of a very progressive think tank known as Policy Network There were also multiple members of the Kennedy family I believe almost half-a dozen members that were present in Epstein's black book Henry Kissinger is in there, absolute pinnacle political sections movements and so forth

17:13 Kissinger is definitely one of the most connected leads of the 20th century and beyond, no question. You've got David Koch part of the famous Koch family who have been a major backers at libertarian movement in the United States And then of course there are the inevitable British connections you've got William Astor part of these storied Aster family There's Mark Getty who was part of the Getty family that originated in the United States Members of the Goldsmiths family, The Hambrough Family, The Sommez Family I mean these were all major players within the UK for many many years now so certainly, where he goes to the upper echelon i would say of the establishments in both the united states and the united kingdoms based on the names that i've seen this black book. Yes indeed and i was just crossing off my list as you are naming people but the only other ones i throw in there

18:08 Alec baldwin andrew cuomo the governor of new york the nephew of george soros prince andrew as you said members of the aster family the cecil family couple gettys for good measure, end that ralph finds guy that you mentioned i didn't know who he was but he played ball the more in harry potter movies for anyone who wasn't sure yeah. I think he also got an Oscar nomination for the English patient back in the day. He's definitely been in quite a few films though, but certainly it's definitely interesting that he has that ties to the royals since it seems like Epstein had made some contacts obviously with Prince Andrew but who knows who else might have also crossed paths with him over the years?

18:50 Yeah, it's a hell of a list man for sure. And if we're going to talk about connections obviously people have been talking about the Epstein-Clinton connection for a long long time Bill Clinton has been on the Lolita Express about 20 times they took a monthlong trip to Africa together in 2002 apparently Epstein played a big role in launching the Clinton Global Initiative which was an offshoot of The Clinton Foundation also Elaine Maxwell, who was Epstein's number two in command. His madam as they say she was a guest at Chelsea Clinton's wedding So yes There is something here and I don't want to downplay all that but I just consider Bill Clinton to be one of many depraved sex addicts that are in the Epstein circle and I wanted to list those connections because I want to be nonpartisan but

19:39 But the Clintons are really just a washed up power couple at this point. Middle management in a vast criminal evil empire of sadistic creeps, yes relevant in 2019 not so much And there are a lot more connections or at least just as many to this current administration as you mentioned the bar one is curious but there's others that need to be looked at when you say. Oh absolutely and i mean yes clinton still flabbergasted by just the session with so many people on the right have with them in, and saying that i'm not trying to argue that the clintons aren't monstrous and evil and so forth but i mean certainly

20:18 Their importance to my mind has been grossly overstated for years now it seems really that the clinton's were very much a kind of propped up by the bush dynasty which already been wealthy and powerful for nearly a century but the time they can put together in arkansas back in the eighties during iran contra. The clinton's i mean not to say that they have accumulated their own power base in recent years but they just you know or not my opinion at the same level with some of the other families that have been present and there. And then on top of that a lot of the evil quentin mythos was really sponsored by publisher richard melons cave,

20:57 Going back to the Clinton Chronicles, the documentary from the 90s that he put up funding for and Richard Mellon's scape came from the Mellon family of Pittsburgh which is just one of the absolutely pinnacle dynasties in the United States. They're out there with The Rockefeller's, The Morgan Family which really hasn't even been a player for decades now. The Mellons are big deal and this is kind of people who were doing a lot of this anti-Clinton conspiracy theories for years now Yes, I agree with you. Clintons are dirty. Clintons are not great but they are small potatoes in the big scheme of things especially in 2019 and to talk a little bit more about Trump administration connections there is also Alex Acosta who Trump had appointed to labor secretary and he was the one who gave Epstein a slap on the wrist in his previous 2007 case in Florida so if

21:53 If you help jeffrey ebstein maybe got a job at the college wasn't qualified for maybe over saw his slap on the wrist from that previous case. Chances are if you help jeffrey i think you might have a place in the trump administration it seems absolutely, no of course i cost to try to argue that he had given him a risk essentially because even inform that abstain some kind of intelligence officer or something so that affects So yeah, I mean definitely Acosta showed a real willingness to look the other way and i would say that looking the other way is probably something of a pre-requisites serve in the trump administration.

22:31 And this is another thing. So people who are holding on to this Trump superhero narrative always like to point out that Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago eventually, but that seems to be after Epstein recruited at least one minor from Mar-a-Lago and And if you've read the incredibly graphic court documents from the Katie Johnson case, you might get more insight into why Epstein and Trump had a falling out. Have you looked at that? No I haven't what was it Oh god So in 2016 Katie Johnson filed a case for damages from both Trump and Epstein from abuses she suffered and its pretty detailed ear muffs kids but

23:16 But to pull out some quotes from the court documents, the plaintiff Katie Johnson alleges that the defendants Trump and Epstein subjected her to extreme sexual and physical abuse including forcible rape during a four-month span between June and September of 1994 when the plaintiff was still 13. She goes on to describe multiple forced sexual encounters with both of them. She used to have to give Epstein naked massages and With trump she talked about how after he would get off you would often greater for bad sexual performance at thirteen doesn't sound too far out of character for the guy. But it gets really bad when later it says that trump and abstein argued in front of her who would get to pop the cherry and trump called abstain a quote you bastard eventually, trump did take her be card against your will

24:13 And when Epstein found out, he was pissed so he raped her as well. Then beat her ass then kicked her out saying they'd kill her family if she talked." This is all in those court documents and this was... Events that happened in nineteen ninety four and trump band abstein from mar a lago thirteen years later so assuming this court case has even some truth to it, he was probably banned over something like clashing egos rather than trumps moral outrage at what abstinence doing. Well that and also when he was finally banned I believe around it was 07 right? Yeah. That was also around the time that Epstein had started to have his initial legal entanglement so obviously if you are an arch pedophile it probably would've seemed prudent at the time to distance yourself from Epstein as much as possible before people started looking too closely into that relationship. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm yeah agreed

25:09 Man and there's just so much to talk about with these connections but i want to maybe pivot over to next him a little bit because there are few ties that bind the ebstein circle with the nexium circle right. Yeah yeah absolutely mainly through the family of canada who were course the sea graves airs i believe right yes yes okay so in the brown happen family had already had some strange ties to these kind of odd new agey type movements going back to the late 70s early 80s. The wife of Charles Bronfman and his sister Philip Bronfman Lambert had actually been financial patrons of Ira Einhorn, so-called unicorn who had actually been a close associate of Andrea Puharik who was one of the Chandlers of the nine also a guy who was probably a CIA scientist and artichoke and so forth

26:08 and many other people associated with Puharik. A lot of the support had actually come from Charles Bronathman's wife at the time, Barbara Bronathman who was quite taken with Einhorn she had actually continued to insist on his innocence I should point out Einhorn was eventually convicted of murdering his long-time girlfriend had essentially stuffed her body in a trunk his apartment in philadelphia which was finally discovered after the stench from the rotting body had alerted neighbors he had fled the united states and was a fugitive for many years i think it was finally apprehended in france or something like that in the late 90's agra brunafman, was the brother of charles brunafman and phyllis brunafman who have been supporters of einhorn

26:51 His daughters are the ones who would later go on to support the NXIVM cult. And of course his son, Edgar Bronfman Jr., also appears in Epstein's Black Book so certainly that leaves some interesting connections there that you can kind of ponder. Yes yes and a lot of these names I do only read and i rarely pronounce but you've been saying Bronfman and I've been saying Bronfman You're probably correct! This brauman guy yeah his daughter was involved in nexium and the funding of it and his son is a black book i mean doesn't get dirtier, no does not and then of course you have kind of respect your roger stone lurking in the background of all this to of course don't have been. He had some kinda involvement with next going back around two thousand seven two thousand eight

27:45 There's been a lot of dispute about this stone is trying to distance himself but i've seen some accounts that he had actually got next him to put up almost twenty thousand dollars to new york republican party. anticipation of the elections that were coming up in two thousand eight or somewhere there abouts. Of course stone himself has some kind of interesting connections to sexual blackmail he's generally now considered to be the person who outed, then new york governor elliot spitzer who was having an affair he was involved with some kinda prostitution ringer something like that So stone is another guy who has a lot of these kind of contacts he shown up in these you know kinda shadowy blackmail and travel programs. Of course it has a long standing relationship with donald trump going back to the late seventies early eighties, when they all seem to have come into the orbit of trumps former attorney and political mentor roy cone. Yeah right connor is a massive figure in all this but roger stone connection next year

28:44 Is really interesting i didn't know all that much about it is probably trying to get close enough access compromising dropbox folder we mentioned but. Also i didn't really know he was involved in outing elliot spitzer and that scandal, add i wanted to quote the blog here where you can sum this up really well and use a Roger stone paid by nexium had funneled at least twenty thousand dollars to the state g.o.p. the errors of seagram's fortune are devotees and richard mays a clinton friend and one of hillary's top fundraisers has also taken so-called intensive classes with keith greenery, can you go on to say about these.

29:28 Timing of the scandal and you say actually I think the timing of this scandal is quite telling nexium appears to have established a working relationship with the Clinton family at some point in the last decade. And eventually donated around a million and half dollars that clinton's another democrats during the last election Roger stone who also handled political donations for nexium as well would have most surely been aware of these ties is it possible he also encouraged the call to ramp up the donations leading up to the election so that you could once again blow the whistle as he did on elliot spitzer at some point.

30:04 I don't think these revelations are coincidental at all. With the ongoing deep state civil war as vicious as ever, the control files amassed by Trump's lawyer Roy Cohn and his associates over several decades increasingly appear as the sword of Damocles the orange one holds over his opponents, ever threatening to topple the entire house of cards." And there you have it man! Well said indeed i definitely think this network kind rushed in got as much of this compromising material is they could and this is why trump is so bold i still think he's just a figurehead for a deep deep network but this is why he's so bold think about all the stuff you said during the election even invoking nine eleven at sometimes when it came to criticizing pushes brother

30:54 And then when it came to ted cruise he invokes the fact that his father might have been involved in the jfk assassination or was a pal of lee harvey oswald. He's got dirt he's got a lot of dirt and he isn't shy about insinuating that publicly, No absolutely not and that to me is definitely i think why there was so much concern about trump being elected because in a mean. In the sense he was really the first president we've had who was true insiders insider, since george hw bush even in that case george h w bush was kind of an anomaly in that particular era

31:35 And this sort of goes back to the whole thing with Nixon. Nixon was very much an insider's insider, and of course there had been kind of a dust-up between him and Richard Helms the director of CIA when Watergate started to break out. Nixon had kind of made the offhand comment to Helms that this might blow back and bring up the whole quote unquote Bay of Pigs thing which Helms just absolutely exploded over But after that you had, you know Nixon being taken out and then Ford became president. And ever since then it seems like there have been a process where presidents were essentially selected as people who were not close to the inner circle of power and they had been kind of subtly groomed before they ascended to the presidency and such we're probably very dependent on their backers I mean Jimmy Carter he was essentially a governor from a minor southern state

32:28 Ronald reagan was a former actor who may well have been in extensive stages of dementia by his second term. Clinton like i said before definitely had some connections but he was probably at best middle manager george w bush definitely came from very well politically connected family but most of the evidence suggests that he was essentially a drunken playboy for much of his life up to that time He probably was being managed by Richard cheney and donald rumsfeld and then of course you have obama who was a community organizer. This is definitely far cry from trump's background billionaire guy who had been in the inner circle of some of these you know major figures in these black operations, and certainly i would say it kind of parallel to nixon nixon of course have been deeply involved

33:18 National security processes when he was the vice president under eisenhower during the nineteen fifties saw a lot of things. And I do think when Watergate was blowing up, there was certainly some concern that Nixon might spill the beans on something such as the so-called Bay of Pigs thing. Which generally many people assume he was a reference to Kennedy assassination but after that there seems to have been a consortium effort to keep insiders away from the presidency usually when you had an insider in the presidency He was serving as the vice president i.e., George HW Bush during Reagan years And dick cheney during the bush two years maybe to some extent by doing the obama years with one clearing exception obviously being george hw bush when he was the president during late eighties early nineties but. Push was of course you know former cia director i'm guessing that probably felt it was a lot more stable than trump very minimal

34:14 Which might have been why he was acceptable in that position but generally trump is not you know the kind of figure that they've been looking at as a president of united states for several decades now and i do think that was a bit of concern to people when he was finally elected. You know this is a guy who knows things you can't necessarily bully him the way you could some of his predecessors yeah it makes a lot of sense i love that breakdown they would, Select people for the presidency whose hands were tied they were on the outside but connected enough there are these people who, their hands were tied so they don't get any idea when they land on the throne you know that can use that power position against their backers because i dont have the information.

35:00 Or they just don't have the resources i mean of course clinton's obama. You know some of these guys made some pretty good money when their in the presidency and now they have some considerable resources at your disposal but that really was not the case when they were elected, where is trump is obviously independently wealthy so i think that's also another kind of factor that contributes to his power base as well Absolutely absolutely and we talked a little bit about the bush power network and i definitely think that clinton's were just kind of lieutenant in that network but their, how are seems to have course wayne a little bit too are they connected in this at all i don't see a lot of names across over. To the bushes there is obviously kishleen father robert maxwell had employed john tower former senator

35:50 Is a lobbyist for him essentially in the late eighties and will there some dispute as to how close he was to papa bush. Some accounts I've read that they were quite close, other accounts of I've read essentially alleged the Bush one despised Tower privately for many years. But regardless they had both had a lot of dealings with each other for many years tower was also from Texas. I believe Bush actually had served as his campaign manager or something to that effect but there were some ties this network going back late eighties Robert Maxwell yes it doesn't seem good

36:25 The Bushes were necessarily at the forefront of this, though certainly George W. Bush was the president during Epstein's first legal brush and it was Acosta working for the Bush White House who had essentially given Epstein a slap on the wrist so I'm assuming there probably are some kind of connections there if we were to dig deep enough but after the Bush is essentially petered out in the 2016 election you know they really haven't been on anybody's radar for this type of thing at this present time Right right i figured if you did enough use find some connections cuz there's just too many people in that network their touch and everything there's gotta be some crossover and you mentioned maxwell.

37:08 That's another one of those names i was talking to my wife about this and she watches a lot of news especially when mainstream news. Crosses over here and she says it's going like elaine from seinfeld but with the g in front of it you laying alright we can go with lane, it's one of those things man cause were doing this a lot of research in text form and not crossing over into the spoken word I should probably mention too, i really don't listen to podcasts or watch any TV. Really sorry guys, but I only really see these names and you know printed text like you're saying so I don't have a lot of point of reference for how these are pronounced like some people who are more into the Podcasts YouTube videos and you know things that nature but trying my best Yes No worries And your research is great regardless of pronunciation But Ghislaine Maxwell who is the madam for Jeffrey Epstein? The co-pilot the female copilot that we saw often see

38:09 Her father probably deserves a little more attention because he was kind of like a rupert murdoch, media mogul figure who also was a spy for it seems several different organizations what can you tell us about him because he's pretty important in. Probably where you got most of her tactics Yeah, absolutely. I mean there's definitely very compelling evidence that Maxwell had ties to the Mossad, to the KGB and MI6 at various points during his illustrious career so-to-speak but certainly you know going back it seems like he was originally recruited this sort of network a very right wing British intelligence officers city bankers and so forth in the immediate aftermath of the Second World War

38:58 The guy who really set him up was a man named Sir Charles Hambrough, who had been the director of the Special Operations Executive during the war. And the Special Operations Executive—the SOE—was essentially the agency that the OSS was based on rather than MI6. Specifically the so we was really engaged in a lot of dirty tricks and assassinations sabotage all that type of stuff. It was also housed in the ministry of economic warfare, so it tended to operate a lot through front companies and things of that nature it was essentially designed to be almost totally off books and in fact the british you know essentially denied existence agency throughout the second world war and it was very hard to prove because everything was essentially in the deep private

39:43 during this time. Now the SOE was disbanded like the OSS at the end of the Second World War and it seems like a lot of assets for it, the OSS and British Security Corporation which was an organization that was based in United States to essentially aid US getting into war effort on the side of UK but all these networks seem to have been essentially transferred to a private company known as The World Commerce Corporation The WCC i think was founded in forty seven but some of the predecessors have been around for a few years prior. But the directors of the WCC were William Stevenson who had headed the BSC. He was intrepid, he's a man that a lot people think Ian Fleming based James Bond upon. He was the Canadian director and the American one was William Donovan, founder of the OSS and the British one was Hambrough Maxwell's patron, you know, the guy who essentially set him up with Pergamon Press which is his first major publishing house

40:41 So he wins maxwell rather obscene amount of money i think it was like twenty five thousand pounds which was a lot of money in the uk and this time you know forty six forty seven when the country was essentially devastated war. Max well uses the money to set up this publishing house which specifically specialized in scientific publications. And through this network he started to come into contact with a lot of you know prominent soviet scientists and so forth missus also when he started to come into contact with kgb This obviously raises a lot of questions as to who exactly he was working for. Was it the British? Was it the KGB, but it seems like ultimately Maxwell was really an opportunist I'm guessing he probably played both sides against one another at various points But there's no question that he continued receive a lot of support from this British network That had originally rallied around the WCC in the immediate aftermath of the Second World War

41:44 And he would have a lot of connections this network throughout his career another one was sir robert clark. Who become the big figure in the mirror group in the nineteen eighties he was also a veteran special operations executive and another really interesting guy that maxwell come into contact with the eighties but i just confirmed a few days ago, what's your name norman lamont lord norman lamont. Lamont would eventually become the chairman of an organization I've written quite extensively on known as Le Socle. This was an organization that was kind of formed as an offshoot at the Bilderberg Group in 1952-1953, them founding members were guys like Conrad Andinaua, Anton Pinet, Jean Violet this network was very close to a lot of reactionary Catholic orders like The Knights of Malta Opus Dei and so forth

42:35 By the 70s it would bring in a lot of very right-wing British Tories who had been close to this old WCC network in the 40's and 50's. La Cercla is also an organization that I've chronicled on my blog was extensively involved end these pedophile networks that we've been discussing the circle. Has shown up several bits members in the fallout from mark trow the belgian serial killer they had members who were involved with franklin scandal united states they were actually one of the chief supporters of colonia digna dot and chile which was course ran by the infamous pedophile paul schaefer, so what's your club has been linked to this pedophile networks and multiple continents for decades now

43:19 And norman lamont was actually the man who initially out of the hostile affiliate paul mandelson who showed up in epstein's black book as a pedophile. I believe going back to the late nineties so maxwell robert maxwell new lamont even regular contact with him since at least the mid nineteen eighties, And their last meeting that i've been able to confirm with sometime in february of nineteen ninety one. Which by this time lamont was almost surely a member of the circle he would become the chairman and either ninety six or ninety seven so you know that's very interesting connection right there especially given the fact that circle has had so much involvement in these pedophile networks for decades now,

44:01 And Lamont actually appears to have been one of Robert Maxwell's principal contacts within the British government during the Thatcher era. Jesus man it does go deep and you've just done so much digging on this it's really impressive. And you didn't mention the term playing both sides and I had a curious question for you have how do you assess, the queue crowd these days the qn material obviously there are a lot of followers in that space they definitely cross over into my space quite a bit But i'm pretty skeptical of that material and not crowd and even though i would admit that some of the things that are in the queue data dumps. Did reflect real things especially when it came to abstain he was a precursor and kinda laying out some of those questions as to who look at there was going to go down, so obviously the q person seems somewhat connected maybe it's something they could put together just with some digging

45:04 But I'm of the opinion that there are no good guys just because one side wants to expose a vast network of entrenched power doesn't mean they have good intentions. Absolutely and i mean, i'm kind of reminded of another affiliate of circle. British MP I think his name was Julian Lewis, maybe John Lewis. He was also a Knight of Malta but this Lewis fella had come into contact with the British magazine Scallywag which had done A considerable amount of research into these pedophile networks during the 1980's that were present in the UK. Lewis was able to get ahold of their material...I think it was maybe through a lawsuit or something? I can't remember off the top of my head but

45:47 He gets these files that Scallywag had compiled on these pedophile groups, and he essentially suppresses everything related to the Tory party that Scallywag had dug up. And he only uses the material that has been found in Labour Party. This definitely I think is kind of playing into what you're saying here. Of course, you could even point out Norman Lamont himself. He outed Mandelson who was a big figure in the neoliberal establishment Very close to Rothschild's and progressive politics. I'm sure Lamont is probably well aware that a lot of Tories, maybe even more Tories honestly than labor politicians were involved in these networks but as far as i know Lamont isn't talking about anybody from the Tories. It's like these people are involved in this espionage and counterespionage and they're picking off members of different circles but they're all kind of interlinked to some degree

46:43 And just because you're picking off your particular opponents in the power network it doesn't mean you're a good guy that's just the thing that is simplistic, thinking that i'm seeing and conspiracy circles that is really annoying to me right now we should be better than at this point absolutely and i mean. It's also just really hard to say even if somebody is, you know for instance Democrat or Republican I mean where you know exactly are their loyalties ultimately lay. Yeah! One of the names that came out in the court documents that were filed the day before Epstein committed suicide was a Democratic Senator named George Mitchell i believe who was one of the more recent names to have come out and I just recently found out actually by fluke last night that Mitchell had been a speaker for the CIRCLA

47:36 Very recently actually at least as far back i think about twenty twelve or something like that. Which is interesting because it's a kind of pointed out before the circle was essentially the probably still is essentially the rights answer to build a bird group, it has that same kind of influence and sway but here you have george mitchell who was a fairly prominent democrat who is being brought there to address this really reactionary right wing network so i mean what exactly is he really believe in Indeed. So also to step back to something you had said about Maxwell publishing primarily scientific journals, this is interesting because you also mentioned at the beginning

48:20 The black projects that seem to be connected and we know that. Epstein's black book an inner circle included a lot of the scientific community which is odd but that is another rail me they got hollywood, they got the political people they got the dynastic families the money people and there also going for scientists and of course maxwell daughter is epstein's Co pilot and all of this so if i've seen is involved in some of these black projects it wouldn't be a stretch to think that he had. Similar ideas to maxwell's father but what do you think about that what are you make up the black projects connection and this time with the scientific community,

49:08 What's the question i mean to me this is one of the more interesting aspects that come out with upstate that i can't believe it too early or but in the case of robert maxwell there's also kind of an interesting overlap with epstein's new mexico property. By the late seventies early eighties robert maxwell had definitely forged very close ties with the israelis and sod, And during this time frame the early eighties massage manage to steal a copy of promise which was a software developed by company name is in slow. During the late seventies the early nineteen eighty's and it was originally marketed to the department justice and,

49:46 Promise was almost kind of early search engine if you will i mean this is back in the eighties when a lot of these files were starting to finally be converted over computers. And it was way for people in the department of justice other entities to search these files and look records and things that nature, Now the CIA had put a backdoor into this so that effectively as it was sold to other governments and intelligence agencies across the world they could keep tabs on what all was being said in these files. Now, the Israelis stole a copy of Promise during the early 80's and they inserted their own back door into it

50:23 And the man that they effectively tapped to market it was robert maxwell maxwell was able to sell this enhanced version of promise to various african nations he sold it to. Several of the southern military dictatorships such as chile and his final coup de grace really what does when he sold at the los alamos national laboratory, in new mexico who he was actually brought into contact with los alamos through john tower Former texas senator that we had just discussed earlier who was close to george hw bush tower arranged for maxwell to meet with the los alamos people he goes there. Send which is actually the laboratory where a lot of united states classified nuclear research was conducted you managed so it's been by nineteen eighty four nineteen eighty five their belts

51:13 And suddenly this gave the israelis access to many of the united states most closely guarded nuclear secrets. So that's certainly you know a major who mildly i mean intelligence perspective i need to get the new clear secrets in the united states it's been a fortune on for israel, so los alamos national laboratory bring this back to ebstein is only about an hour drive Stanley new mexico ranch was a cold zero ranch or something to that effect. And that was also the location apparently where he had been considering doing these kind of bizarre you know genetic manipulations and things like that, apparently the father of the human race with his dna is something to that effect yeah i wanted to impregnate hundreds of women keep them there in a small shack

52:04 And then spread their babies out around the country i guess of the world to spread his superior jeans, do make a guest what an ego maniac with thinker superhuman essentially yes so. No i mean definitely it's very telling my mind that he would set up this site for these projects right there you know close distance los alamos which is the side of a lot of black projects and what have you begin where. Of course mexico general urban rumors for years of underground bases and things like there i don't know how substantial any of this is but there's no question that i mean it los alamos air force base a lot of black projects tested their a lot of research for this kind of stuff goes on there and then in the case of epstein property the ranch there was a tract of land at the state of new mexico essentially owned right smack dab in middle of epstein property

52:59 There's a bizarre structure there that looks like it might be some kind of underground facility. There has never really been any explanation why exactly the state of New Mexico would own this tract of land in the middle of Epstein's property or what, you know, this facility that is on the land is for what its purpose was so it definitely raises to my mind a lot of very strange questions and as I was kinda alluding at earlier There's no question Epstein probably had a lot of illicit funds available to him from sex trafficking possibly for money laundering and so forth. He could have potentially put up money to bankroll some of these black projects that, for whatever reason legal or otherwise could not really officially be done at this point and certainly it's very curious that the site that he picked for this you know these potential

53:49 Projects was right next to a very very highly classified research facility of the us government's. Indeed man this is definitely a hotbed of connections and as i learned from you on the blog, Epstein bought this land in New Mexico from a three-term New Mexico governor named Bruce King, and the King family still owns a lot of the surrounding land. And Bill Richardson also a governor in New Mexico is heavily Connected to ebstein or talked about in that black book and it's just odd that he so connected with the. New mexico leadership and that new mexico owns this land in the middle of abstinence when you show a satellite photo on the blog, that is just as you say bizarre it is a

54:41 Circular structure a circular metal structure looks like a silo but yet it is down on the ground and it definitely insinuates some kind of opening. Choose something that's under there otherwise they would not own it is very weird very very weird yes i'm like a set especially when you know can affect the long standing allegations going back to the early eighties that there are some kind of underground facilities in mexico spread across the state but. Certainly i mean new mexico was definitely leave, Kind of red hair russian say red herring but the real oddity within the locations that have seen on property and. I mean the fact that he would own a property in new york city or paris is rather obvious these are course major cities i mean for the global elite same thing with go to london,

55:33 US virgin islands is a major tax haven for a lot of the same elite network so it's easy to understand why he would want properties there i mean this is definitely where the jetset vip like to go and unwind so to speak, but new mexico is not an area that's really obvious in that sense. But there's no question that mexico is you know very much the focal point of a lot of black projects us government has been sponsoring for many years. And that my mind is easily the most compelling reason as to why steam put major facility out there in the middle nowhere essentially,

56:11 Well this here is a great way to kind of wrap this up. So, to jump back to the timing of these last few parts of the Epstein story I really like this lengthy quote where you talk about this New York Times piece about Epstein's DNA spreading desires You write, make light of this story and details like Epstein's desire to freeze his penis all you want but these revelations are on an entirely different level. Did Epstein or someone close to him like say Robert Maxwell's daughter Ghislaine leak this high weirdness to the times as part of insurance policy in the aftermath of Epsteins first reported suicide attempt?

56:52 Obviously it didn't do the trick, as he was dead 10 days later. But his death coming after documents from his legal woes were unsealed rather than after the Times piece hit may constitute an expert sleight of hand and this is assuming Epstein was The Leak A certain former madam of his is still alive and present And has largely avoided any legal entanglements up to this point for her role in his operation Did you learn from her father about what type of insurance policies to keep on hand certainly she was the only family member to insist that are farther was murdered in the immediate aftermath of his death and i think that's really well put together and maybe. Elaine and ebstein lawyer are really at a decision point on what to do with any potential material they have this point if anyone had some kind of

57:43 Insurance policy to be released upon his death it would be these figures and if they were to release that it could be quite damaging for them and maybe that is why maxwell has kind of avoided any prosecution either even though she's turned the madam. Yes practice far as i'm aware i don't even think they know where she's at right now she's essentially just kinda disappeared, i guess a bit like what's his name joseph miss further was father whoever the central figure wasn't russia gates Yet another person who's probably sitting on the treasure trove of invaluable information about these scandals and the. US intelligence community with its billions of dollars in agents across the world and so forth apparently can't find them or nobody wants to talk to them it's just like really right

58:35 And so as we're wrapping this thing up, do you see either the Epstein scandal investigation or the next one continuing on? I mean there's a lot of rings of culpability that could be looped in here. But maybe it has been cauterized and will just be quarantined where it is. Do you think any of these investigations will continue to rope in any of the big players or are we done here I think it's quite possible. I mean, i do think that things are going to die down in a couple of weeks you know now after the initial kind of headlines have come and gone and the revelations have been made but It really would not surprise me if stuff starts to come out again going into the 2020 elections If anything, I mean that was one of the surprises actually thought about Epstein being arrested in 2019 because certainly I think

59:26 Trump probably is not going to be damaged by anything that comes out about steam but quite a few figures within the democratic establishment way may well be so. Twenty nineteen seemed a little premature for some of these revelations start coming out but i mean it wouldn't surprise me if the new phase of the investigation or something to that effect starts to ratchet up again, going into twenty twenty when we're getting closer to the election certainly Yes could be for sure and it's going to be an interesting election cycle just compared to. What we saw in the last one, I'm sure things are ramping up as the empire scrambles to stay relevant because it seems like this snowball has gotten about as big as it can before hits the fan and will see. I mean this might be a collapse of Roman Empire 2.0 in the next few years cuz there's a lot of people saying economically politically when it comes to people's confidence any metric is not looking good for US empire

1:00:28 Absolutely i mean possibly even more horrendous a civil war or something came to what we can't solve in france and the early sixties when essentially the special operations forces tried over throw to call. That's rather ominous light of the fact that a lot of trump support within the intelligence community appears to have come from the joint special operations command and, History repeats itself in that sense i really don't think we want to see what will happen in this country of a lot of you know road figures from the delta force or still team six try to overthrow the government. No no man,

1:01:04 And you're just so knowledgeable there are many layers in the conspiracy cake, you know them all. You are my Cake Baker of choice man and I really appreciate you being here we gotta call it in somewhere but remind the people how to get your blog and some other subjects you cover their cuz its vast Yeah, I've covered a lot of stuff and certainly if you're more interested in these right-wing networks which really don't get a lot of play especially in US conspiracy theory sites and what have you. Definitely check it out i've got extensive series on the american security council with circle which you know mentioned quite a bit in this interview and also the world any communist league and so forth. And also mean in addition to parapolitics is your my gathered up also written about ufo's a lot of other high weirdness and so forth website is found at by the view

1:01:55 dot blog spot com buys up is the is you pay and then just view vw all one word and then blogspot.com, and also have actually begun work as well on a book nice man it's actually going to go into epstein i've actually had to be a little Selected and some of the stuff i told you but definitely i'm aware of some other links that may be kind of slightly headed out in this interview between perfume and epstein and so forth it will definitely be explored a lot more. And the book also this kinda network you start to see emerge in new york city in late seventies early eighties included trump and murdoch can later robert maxwell and so forth,

1:02:37 So yeah, hopefully I can have that wrapped up by the time of the 2020 elections. That's awesome and that was going to be one of my closing questions for you is it seems like you got a book coming out at this point or are you gonna get a Patreon or something? You're great at what you do! Like i said, I'm trying... The next step will definitely be trying to find a publisher Jason Horsley has been kind enough to give me a little help with that but obviously if you are a publisher happen to know one I would be very interested in hearing anything have

1:03:23 quite a compelling book on this whole netherworld that would hopefully try to provide more of a coherent order to everything we've discussed as well. I know with all these names and dates it's problematic to keep track of everything, and that is one reason why i really wanted to do a book that could kind of provide a chronicle of all these events places people so forth Very cool very cool i don't think you have any problem getting that published i might even put in contact with chris milligan from trying day who, i think is one of the best suppliers of high quality suppressed books he likes to say i say conspiracy books but no, that's right it was actually definitely the one of the first publishers i thought about approaching cuz i am a big fan of trying days well i mean definitely the books by nick brian peter lavendia so forth and then i'm very big

1:04:13 and HB Albarelli. I can't believe almost forgot Albarelli, but Trine Day is great! That would definitely be a publisher that i would be very interested in it mean It would definitely quite an honor to join their illustrious roster of other authors that are represented by Trine day. Heck yeah man you'd be in good company for sure but this has been a great time very much appreciative all the work you do your one of the good ones keep it up and stay safe out there man Oh the humanity. Recluse! The triumphant return of the man who knows the plan and let it be known there are no good guys, guys Let that be the lesson of the day They have all kinds of disagreements and strategy differences And even some conflicting goals and ideologies But the only thing they really agree on is that we are the dumb cattle That they have to manage

1:05:14 But we did it! We got back to current events, got back to good old Conspiracy 101. It has been a little while now I've just kind of had a desire to avoid politically charged shows for the past few months Not that i've been scared off not that I've been talked to or anything really except the fact that I have political fatigue Something like 5G or GMO politics, like we talked about with Dr. Farrell last time are a little bit different those are more like campaigns Really it's that I've been burnt out on Trump anything for months now I guess that's the real issue and since I'm not really seeing it slow down or anything I can't seem to get away from it I guess I should just give up the idea of a tolerance break

1:06:03 But long-time listeners of this show should have been familiar with the Jeffrey Epstein name long before this latest round of the news cycle. We've talked about him and Peddo Island and The Lolita Express many times, but never to this depth of course! A lot of the time THC is trying to look at something that only a few people are looking at... ...and this is a case where everyone under the sun is covering it in some regard So it's a different kind of challenge to do it differently or really just better than the rest, or at least as well-as. I did do a lot of digging on the side and had a little bit to add outside of the scope of Recluse's work but if you read his blogs on this its pretty clear that he is a great candidate to be our pedo guy Or ebbing guy I should say Jesus

1:06:59 But I also felt it was time to get into NXIVM. Granted, it definitely played a backseat role here but there is a little connective tissue between them and I definitely intentionally got that out in the first hour so we could have such a heavy-hitting title. NXIVM does deserve more attention but I'm kind of waiting for the books to come out I guess although there are some other things in the works We'll see how they shake out But another challenge has been finding a non-partisan perspective on the Epstein case. I looked at more than a few people, spent hours checking out their stuff and then had to decide well they're too one sided or they rely too heavily on the Q shit but connection wise The William Barr thing is just the craziest to me in this big wide world his dad gives Jeffrey Epstein his first real job when he shouldn't have

1:07:56 So how does William Barr's dad even know this guy? Maybe Epstein was on to the blackmail game so early that he just said, Hey where is the Dean's house. Okay there it is I guess I'll just film him until I get something interesting. I mean its possible there has to be some explanation but...I literally just made that up. I just want to be clear But he did get this first job somehow He didn't walk in off the street To a school that used to have the name Children University by the way But William Barr's dad gives Epstein his first job and then he is Attorney General of the goddamn United States overseeing this same guy's child trafficking case. Talk about a weird coincidence!

1:08:42 And I wonder how many listeners out there have actually watched the blacklist, but this whole Blackmail file element has a real Raymond Reddington feel to it in terms of there being a big hoopla on the surface. But the real layer to watch is whoever swooped in and got that blackmailed data and then got out of Dodge just like Red Reddington would do Also, I mentioned that weird Clinton in a dress painting. I guess it's a painting not a photograph There's also at George W Bush one of him throwing paper airplanes over a collapsed Jenga tower You should see it! I don't know about that Clinton one But I do look at that George Bush one and think well I'd hang that up in my office actually Can't say the same for any of that creepy Podesta art

1:09:30 Anyway, I have to thank Recluse again. He knows a lot about these lesser discussed political networks and scandals And it all came bubbling to the surface even though he's been doing this research for a long long time! I've been really looking forward to the release of this show. I think it's a return-to-form for us...a little bit? And when we have a show like this that's about recent events, I always want to get it out quickly and add any important new news to the wrap-up section. But the only noteworthy thing i've heard since we recorded is that the autopsy showed Epstein had broken bones in his neck that are consistent with hanging or strangulation

1:10:14 So, I guess the experts cracked the case guys. We can all go home something happened to Jeffrey Epstein's neck we know that now it has been confirmed. Just the stupidest story ever right? There was also something interesting posted on the higher side chat subreddit about Epstein connections to the AI community which might be worth a look if you're hungry for more Let's talk about higher side news i know a lot of people are still frustrated and i still have a team working on the problems. I can say things are looking good, i've had a lot of meetings with the company i'm working with and we're a lot closer to solutions for some of the big widespread problems that were having more so now than we were 48 hours ago

1:11:06 I know a ton of Plus members are writing me about inactive subscriptions, and they should be. You're paying for this thing! But the access cycle is out of alignment and i'm trying to wait for a site-wide fix before I spend another day doing a couple hundred manual adjustments and emailing people individually which is how I spent my weekend I don't mind, but these are manual changes. I want something systemic so that this doesn't recur One piece of very good news is we are 100% sure that new signups won't have a problem It's only people who were ported over which is like 99 percent of people but hey one thing at a time

1:11:55 And long story short, at this point I have the fix. I found the solution! It's just too big and important to be in my hands so i'm currently settling on one of these skilled Stripe developers that I've talked with and before the next show our Plus database should all be back and in working order on the new site I realize this subscription database issue is affecting the old site as well, but for the vast majority of people the reason that I didn't pull down yet that site is because it's the insurance policy. It's the thing we use while we're still waiting for all the kinks to be worked out on the new site and then I'm going to switch it off

1:12:41 The other big issue and big priority is Plus Access via RSS on the news site. People don't want to come to the website and log in and listen every time, although the site does look good on mobile you can download the MP3 directly so... You're not in a terrible situation but people want to plug-in that feed into their podcast apps and have no problem We're getting on that. The team is still trying to figure out what it is about the server configuration that isn't allowing RSS feed access for Plus people, but once that problem is found, it should just be a flip of the switch maybe we have to turn off a firewall or something... But that's another thing on the list that I'm hoping is fixed in the next 48 hours

1:13:29 And the last of the big issues for THC is being removed from the iTunes Store entirely. and that's something that the company I've been working with is confident they can fix Apparently, they're going straight to the top in trying to get our old listing and all those important reviews back in order So...to quote The Big Lebowski Nothing Is Fucked! ...and it can all be made right again We're clawing our way back to dominance more each day I am really sorry for the trouble and confusion and delays, but i just make the show and try to outsource the tech side of things. And when they screw up im kinda left holding a bag and dont even know what to do with it

1:14:16 But we are making progress and we've also fixed a lot of the small simple things on the new site too. The contact form works now, all of the sign up for plus language magically goes away when you're signed in that'll help you determine what version to the site your looking at and the free and plus shows are playing for people as they should be Both on the front page slider and in the actual posts themselves. If I'm wrong, let me know! But my tests seem to have worked out flawlessly. The seam was a test episode...I guess this is test number two. It's a lot guys People have asked about a joint session and i am really so slammed with this stuff And trying to get all of the August shows out In 10 days

1:15:07 that I wanted to say we're not going to be doing one this month, but i changed my mind. We'll do one! It'll be Wednesday the 28th 7 p.m pacific time there is a place on the new site for the date and time of the next joint session and i'm gonna play around with the back end and see if i can update that spot on the website wednesday the 28th i'll talk to you then and hopefully we'll be in a much better place with everything Maybe I'll be fielding questions about the new infrastructure. Who knows? I'm sure that will be entertaining, but...I hope you liked this show if you happen to find it as always i'm doing my best here and The Plus Show offers a whole lot more!

1:15:51 In the second hour we talked about Epstein's links to transhumanism and his strange beliefs, labyrinths temples and other weirdness on Epstein's properties. Trying to decode Epsteins temple The Perfumo affair and tracing back that blackmail file a few decades And of course Roy Cohn and Roger Stone It's crazy they didn't make it in the first hour but we talked about so much And finally we added a segment about how the blackmail file relates to ufology. I really liked that section as well as the section with Nassim about ufology, and also the section with Walter Bosley recently about ufology! If you don't have PLUS, then you missed all of that because it does take that long to ease into those waters if its not the reason the guest came on the show

1:16:44 But they all seem to be circling around the same general ideas that we need to look at all this with a discerning, skeptical eye and not get caught up in UFOs on CNN? Oh my god! You know chill out. But you know this Anyway, I'm getting out of here. Do check out Recluse's writings and big thanks for listening and for all the patience as we sort out these issues Check out the new site And if you see any problems let me know We're fixing them! We got a list and i want to make the most of it so lets kick the tires ya know? Im already overwhelmed So lets bring it! And I will be nose-to-the grindstone trying to rebuild my conspiracy podcasting empire

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