Steph Young | Mysterious Disappearances, Unknown Entities, & Unexplainable Events

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Sweet baby Jesus, Hireside Chatters. Drinkin' a little drink smoke and a little smoke back in my comfort zone of sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood And it is good to be back in the saddle after a little more than two weeks in Armenia with the tour group led by Graham Hancock checking out ancient sites that get no respect and man It was a serious blast! Also some you might have heard me on Chris Jericho's podcast Talk Is Jericho That was a lot of fun You know I had his poster on my wall when I was a kid now he's interviewing me about conspiracies

01:01 And it was a great spike in new listeners, but also as many of you know the main THC site was hit by denial-of-service attack. They're fairly common but this was the first time its happened to me and I was out of the country and I was just on one of the biggest podcasts that ever been on But it's all good now, I moved on to a better host and made some updates. Everything seems to be golden! I don't know, although the timing couldn't have been much worse for me. Some people thought it was a ploy to get THC Plus signups by disabling the regular site. Other people thought it was mighty suspicious that it was the free site that hit and The Plus was fine... And I get it we've all been burned by 1,000 scams under the sun you can trust anyone when money's involved but the simple truth is they're just two different websites The plus show is far more secure and the basic show It's just the most obvious thing to attack

01:59 Who knows if this person even knew there was a plus side at all or if it was even personal. I don't know, but I can confirm that taking my sight down at a time when I wanted it up more than anything was not some roundabout money-making scheme from me. That said, I'm pretty happy with today's show! It's one of those fun ones just a bunch of unusual stories, disappearances areas have strange energy underground entities ley lines skinwalkers haunted woods We gotta grease the wheels here, people. And Steph Young what a great guest to help me do it! She writes about the cases you haven't yet heard knows her Rolodex of reality-binding anecdotes and why not just get into the action? Here's The Plate Scrapers priming us for takeoff and I'll be taking your tickets on the other side with Steph Young. Pack it and park it Tune in and spark it Cause Greg is about To open up your mind

02:51 Armed with information about the secret manipulation And the wisest aficionados he can find He's pulling back, parroting on what we thought we knew for certain So that we can see the world with a brand new set of eyes You're listening to The Higher Sessions Alright people, we know the world is full of strangeness from cryptid encounters and ET experiences to mysterious disappearances occult rituals and tales of time travel. And I love it all! Luckily so does today's guest all the way from London her name is Steph Young and she's a dedicated researcher and author of nearly a dozen books on all sorts of fringy goodness haunted

03:35 places, missing people, demon encounters conspiracies time travel cryptids and many other ingredients in the THC soup. So many great stories in so little time so let's get the party started Steph welcome to THC Hi Greg, thanks for having me. Yeah thanks so much for being here I've heard some great interviews from you before and your books are very rapid fire which of course i love and I suppose the biggest thread that connects the stories we're going to talk about is odd cases of missing people and really it's just been in the past year or two that these types of stories have gotten on my radar and I think it's really intermixing with ufology cryptozoology

04:11 reports of underground bases, all sorts of topics that maybe were once a bit more segregated. Do you kind of get that impression too? Yeah the thing I found was when i started looking into what was going on in forests and mountainous areas and I kinda started off because I was writing a book on time travel and I was finding places where people were possibly disappearing into dimensions but as I looked into that It seemed that it perhaps was dimensions, but it also could have been because there were paranormal sightings there. But it was also a hotspot for UFO's and there were also ley lines there and it seems that you know, the minute you sort of thought it down to one reason then you find these other different reasons and sometimes they interlicked and sometimes they didn't... And you know its really mysterious because you can't put your finger on what actually might be going on. Its just sort of one thing leads you into looking at another thing

05:05 I totally agree with you. There's so many mysteries and so many possibilities, I mean i think when you hear some of the unexplainable details to some other stories write about it gotta start entertaining some other wilder explanations and I guess too get this ball rolling...I know I probably gave you notes on way more than we'll even be able to get to but in one your books Mysterious Things In The Woods you kick off by talking about place called Clapham woods which I'd never really heard much about maybe can tell us about some the strangeness that occurred there It's Clapham Woods and it's down near Worthing in West Sussex, down on the coast of England. Back in the 60s actually, The Forty and Times magazine started writing about the woods there because they have a lot of UFO sightings and

05:51 there were reports of ramblers and hikers, and they seemed to be going into the woods there. And they were having sensations of maybe feeling like they were being watched or followed. Some would have nausea and migraines and stomach cramps, and other people would come out with scratches on them. Then dogs started disappearing! There was a church warden called David Bennett who used to love recording the sound of nightingales. He noticed that he couldn't record anymore because they'd all disappeared. that And then there was a series of deaths that occurred in the 70s, and the first one was in 72. It was an ex-Marine commando who is now a policeman called Peter Goldsmith. He was a really fit rambler and hiker, but he wasn't really an easy target. But he was found hidden under the bushes about six months later, and it was an open verdict—they couldn't really rule out what had happened.

07:02 and an old man who can't find the info he was found and three weeks after he disappeared by a couple who were actually looking for anything more that they hope to call it well and but they couldn't get in his case at the rate of acceleration in which he's been decomposed with before far more than would have been expected to be weak and yet we will get as unknown factors and actually got really reminiscent to the end of the country's kate that if you've had that one bit I think it was first broke by Linda Moulton-Howe and Peter Davenport of MUFON. That was a case in America, and he was found the day after he went missing. His house is down at the base of Northumberland County Montau Ridge in Pennsylvania.

07:48 So he disappeared, he hadn't come home from a pre-season deer spotting and they searched for him. And the next day they sort of...they hacked...they saw something white in the undergrowth by a pond by their house and they searched through it. They used cutting equipment to get into it and they found his body but he was really emaciated which you wouldn't expect, missing for one day that would normally be bloated and he was actually pretty much undressed His boot was found in a tree about a mile away and there were no scents around his ATV That was a really mysterious case, it's another one where they couldn't work out how did he get into that state. But going back to the Clapham Woods, then a vicar was found, a reverend and he was out in the open so it was almost as though he'd been taken away and put back there. And then the last case with a woman she was homeless and she was found murdered but that was a clear case of what had happened there and a local man was arrested but

08:45 put in prison for all of the murders. But they didn't really add up because the other three had been open verdicts, but it's really impossible to find any more information about those cases. Charles Walker and Toyne Newton wrote a book about it and Charles Walker actually joined the UFO group there because he had a feeling that this has all got down to UFOs you know? Because of the sightings... And he put information in the newspapers and the man said to him, we are friends of Hecate. And Hecate is the goddess of witchcraft

09:29 He was a really well-spoken man and he said, you know you shouldn't meddle in these things just leave us alone. I've got high power of connections here that you just wouldn't want to become involved with. So thats kind of what happened there and then the interesting thing is that Alistair Crowley years ago, Clapham Woods is linked by ley lines to a place called Chanconbury Ring and Cisbury Ring which are old Iron Age forts. So in his opinion it was a place of great power because it had the mystical triangle And actually in the last book I did, I've really gone into detail about how ley lines could possibly be manipulated. There's a guy called David Gowen and he said it doesn't really matter in a way whether you believe that they can be manipulated but these sources of energy under the earth that you can't see and in fact you can only really douse them if you are able to do that—I mean I couldn't

10:27 was that these could be deliberately blackened so that negative energy can be stored there by a cultist and used to sort of harness this negative energy grid. And it goes even deeper in a way because then there's a numerologist called LSE Taylor, and he's tied in the ley lines to abductions as missing children and says it's a satanic ritualized kind But you know, so I think you can go miles down that route looking at that. In terms of what was going on there who knows because they had apparitions of black masses and shadows and all sorts things as well. So it's really mysterious. It's like a place in Ireland called the Ballybolly which is supposed to be an old druid entrance

11:20 and Ancient Texas speak about people going missing. And a man was found there in 2002, but he died of natural causes. But the only real reason why he died—it was summertime and nothing really to have caused his death—but there were reports in the newspapers in the 90's about There were two or three cases and a couple of people had gone in there and they'd heard the woman scream. So, they've gone to try and find out where she was what was wrong with her and they couldn't see anybody there so they turned to leave but they sort of looked behind them and they saw these black hooded figures and they heard this flapping as if it's a large bird and it looked like trees were surrounded and covered in blood

12:05 and the park rangers don't have to do any of the maintenance there. So, you know I could go on there are so many strange places they really are yeah that i mean that's really odd and I've looked at this stuff for most of my life out of just general interest but the stories that involve ritual spaces for satanic cults or the idea that ley lines increase the possibility of paranormal activity some of the things that magicians might be doing. I think that's really compelling, that's a great possibility for why some these things occur generally in the same areas or even on the same parallels. I've heard about the 33rd parallel being a big thing in this context too

12:56 Yeah, I put that in something in the woods actually. There was a case of the Jamieson family who's gone missing and...I mean I didn't come up with it but I'd found an article about it by sort-of non mainstream journal saying how they were killed in an area that was 33rd degree north which is supposed to be the occult line Going back to the ley lines, there was an investigator who spent about 20 years studying it and he found in his opinion from the sightings of the contactee experiences just in England that 95% of them seemed to occur on these lines of power.

13:38 He also said, as did David Cowan that the positive contactee experiences happened on the more natural energy lines but the ones that they believed had been blackened. As an example there was a case in 84 I think it was in a place called Todmorden in the north of England and A man has gone missing in the village and he was found on a coal pile in a coal mine. His clothes had been done up wrong, his shirt was missing and he had a strange set of burning marks on his shoulders – an anointment that forensic scientists couldn't identify.

14:18 The policeman who actually went to go and went to assistance, you know when they found him He then went on to have a strange experience himself because he a few nights later They were looking for some missing cows and they disappeared from the field. And he He saw these bright lights coming towards him in the dark and he thought it was maybe a bus or truck, but he couldn't get out of the car and his radio equipment stopped working. Then about half-an-hour later he realized that he'd lost half an hour and looked at his boots and they had been split open at the bottom as if they had been dragged along He went for some hypno regression to try and work out what the heck's going on. He said that he was taken into a room, and there was a hooded figure with a huge black dog and these little robotic-type creatures. Mark Gibbons years later then went and found that actually that village itself had a reputation for witchcraft so in his opinion they'd blackened the area there but

15:15 You know, I don't know it's them. It's quite compelling I wrote a lot about the Isle of Wight and Ley Lines because that's the most haunted island in the world apparently And I know it quite well and then that supposed to be crisscrossed with them you know? And then you've got David Icke who lives there and he's really at that opinion that actually these are ritually used and they even put actual buildings for that purpose on those lines to generate power but Yeah, it's quite compelling. I don't know whether I go along that route or not really." Yeah, never really heard quite that explanation that there could be a connection geographically from positive ET experiences to certain ley lines and then negative experiences on other ones...I mean that's pretty new as far as i'm concerned but I think it could make a lot of sense!

16:02 It all seems to be about energy and there seems to be a polarity to energy, positive or negative. And I guess that would open up different doorways to different types of beings? I mean...I don't know it does seem possible. I think it does yeah! And it seems almost as if they're drawn to that energy you know whether its UFO visits Or whether it's paranormal. There was a scientist Dr Robert Sosh and he was on Mount Kailash in Tibet, which is possibly where Shambhala is. Hitler was quite interested in that mountain wasn't he? He went there apparently and they were just meditating on the top of it and it was dark and you saw this sudden flash of light and these figures suddenly materialized but that was a place that's supposed to be a hotspot for UFOs so if they're drawn

16:59 People like Hitler looking for that energy source. You know, there seems to be a lot to do with this energy, isn't it? This invisible energy. Mm-hmm Yeah and also I love A Good Cryptid Story and you have quite a few of those in the books And this one that was pretty new to me I'd never heard before was The Beast Of Exmor What happened here what we know about this beast Well, I think in terms of this one. I think really is in terms of the kind of a big cat as opposed to paranormal So I don't think it's like you know the Sherlock Holmes The Black Shark or the Big Black Dogs that they have sometimes I think more intensive You know maybe like a bit of humor that escapes but in the 80s and

17:41 some sheep went missing, well no sorry they didn't get missing. Some sheep were killed 30 of them were killed on a farm in Devon and all that was left behind was their skin and head and feet and then it happened on another farm and then another farm and they actually got the Marines out and they were using live rounds which in England is unheard of but people had sightings of this extremely large big black creature And a woman wrote about it called Di Francis and actually she said, and it's quite controversial I don't know really but she said that there was a missing teenager when she was out on her news round in 1978.

18:20 She got off her bicycle because she saw some friends and they walked up the hill, and as the hill leveled off she got back on the bicycle and went off. When the friends got to where she had been they just found a bicycle laying in the ground...laying on the ground with wheels still spinning But they thought maybe she was just hiding, she was going to jump out on them. But she disappeared so the whole village were out searching for them and they got the marines out with helicopters and dogs but there were no tracks or any idea of where she could have gone really. These big huge black cats go back two centuries

18:57 In 1906 in Guildford which is closer to London, 50 sheep were killed in one night and drained of blood and mutilated. These are probably not paranormal I think but There are lots of historic accounts of these big black dogs. The Hellfire Club in Ireland, which was kind of like an occult establishment that aristocrats set up and they had a big building on a sacred site in Ireland just outside Dublin and there's always reports of black dog sightings there

19:38 They found skeletons buried there. It used to be a black magic sort of place, but actually I was reading just the other day... There was a police inspector in 2012 but he'd only just come out with it and said about it and it's in Scottish newspaper that there is a place called Arthur's Seat which is outside of Edinburgh and he was up in a helicopter because they were looking for missing woman and it's not a huge uh... will replace not national park but if they have written into mountainous and hill and they had to help put into that camera and section for a dark anything p i could see this math black mapping three times the size of the people who don't look around searching for the women and think he felt like a radio haven't connected just walk away and because he thinks it is probably a big at the back half

20:30 But it's really strange. At Arthur's Seat, I was also reading that some tiny dolls were found almost like voodoo dolls that had been buried there about 200 years ago and they're like little stick men but they're wearing clothes but nobody knows why they were buried there or what they are for Right, could tie back into the magic thing. Maybe some phantom cat is being summoned from the ether? Who knows! Yeah Man these are all great another story that I love that really doesn't fit anywhere else It just seems pretty unique it's the case of the Delatov Pass incident Pretty strange circumstances but tell us about that one a bit

21:15 Yeah, I mean it's probably one that a lot of people have heard about. It was in 1959 when seven men and two women from the Polytechnic there in the Ural Mountains of Russia they set off to do what was rated as the most dangerous climb. They were all quite experienced hikers though But when they didn't return on the expected date, a search party was sent out for them. And when the search party got to where they thought they'd be, they found their tent which was pitched on the uppermost slope and it's called The Mountain of the Dead anyway but they found a slash that had been made from inside the tent and there were barefoot human tracks going downhill in the snow

21:54 Inside the tent, their boots were stuck up in a neat row and their dinners were there frozen and uneaten. They found the bodies about a mile away and they were scattered and half-dressed with no coats on but they'd all had severe injuries. The weirdest thing was that they had crushed internal organs and one of the women she actually had her tongue removed and her stomach showed that she blood in it which indicates that your heart is still beating when, when it happened. So she also had her eyes removed but there were no external wounds no scratches or anything else and the theories over the years have been really that it was in a Cold War era so maybe with some kind of nuclear weapon testing because the radiation levels are quite high but it could have been you know prisoners escaping from a gulag or it could've been wild men or yeti but there were no tracks anywhere

22:43 And there were reports of strange lights in the sky. But their injuries were really consistent more with a kind of fall from a height, and other people have said it was an avalanche. I believe somebody came up with this theory about it being infrasound. But I don't know. I mean, I did find recently another case which happened in Argentina on a place called Mount Anconagua in January 1972 and a team of eight had set out and it was the worst month to go because it was absolutely freezing and they'd been advised not to go there but they refused then they took a guide with them

23:22 One by one, they all started to turn back because the weather was so adverse. And two called Johnson and Cooper returned and they were delirious with frostbite. The guide and the other people there said where is the remaining people from the party which was John Cooper and Jeanette Johnson? So there were two left out there. Cooper is left in sitting up by a road and Jeanette has been taken by a team of women on mules which sounded like they were having hallucinations. So two years later, some climbers came across Jeanette's body and she'd been preserved in ice but she had been brutally beaten and they came across Cooper when he was laying down too

24:07 And he was also beaten. I suppose you could say, well was it the two other climbers that returned? But I'm presuming that the police cleared them but they did say that they'd both been murdered but The thing is they were up in such an inhospitable area and because of the time of year there were no other climbers there So the kind of mystery there is how did they die? I don't know Right Both of those stories are interesting We hear so much about individuals going missing Having a weird experience, but when multiple people go missing or die in the same I mean that is even stranger because people together should be able to, you know they can work together to get out of the situation but a large group like that going missing or dying in weird unknown ways is even trippier. There's another thing in the book you talk about it's gotta probably one of the biggest groups of missing people. A village of missing Inuits, 30 people apparently just disappeared?

25:07 Yeah, they did. Now there was a trapper and this is in Canada and he used to always go there and just visit the villagers and then he turned up one day and thought well this is odd because I can't see anybody but there's about 30 or 40 people that lived here. His name was Joe LeBell there was still food cooking inside their homes, so he thought this is really scary and he just fled. And he went to find the nearest Mounties who came back to investigate but there was no explanation because there were no tracks anywhere, there was nowhere for them really to have gone and the only thing that people said could have happened in the Inuit belief was that there was a demonic entity according to Inuit legend

25:59 part of the Torn Gasp, but it's supposed to be a powerful sky deity and it has this legion of malevolent spirits under its control. And it said to be invisible to all but the Inuit shamans that can manifest in animal form. So I mean again there is no explanation for that one It's interesting when strange lore seems to coincide with a strange occurrence. And when it comes to Native American stories, I love the stories of skinwalker cults and human-animal hybrid shapeshifters

26:39 and that might be what we're dealing with here, but I was also kind of psyched to see you write about that in its own section. Its own chapter and they are kind of underrepresented stories and very weird. Tell us about a couple of your favorites in that realm that interest you most? I guess in terms of the Skinwalkers, the reason they're so rare is that people don't like to talk about them because there's that belief. In the Native Americans there was a belief if you talked about it then you were almost drawing them to you and so few people would ever talk about it and I really struggled to even find any accounts at all. A guy called Hoss Laws who was a teacher living on the Navajo reservation has written a book

27:22 And he had explained that he killed a rabid dog that had come into his yard to put it out of its misery, really because he thought it was really ill. Then he went back indoors and when he came back out again the dog was gone and there were no tracks in the snow. He then became violently ill that night and his wife said we need to get you to a medicine doctor. But he said, oh that's silly you know but they insisted. They took him there and a little boy who was a neighbor he'd gone with them and he said I saw this spirit form leave his body as he was being worked on by the medicine man He said that's what happened despite his skepticism, and that's what he believed to happen. But in Malaysia and the Philippines there is a similar kind of creature as such called an Afuan.

28:14 That's more in terms of its appearance. It seems to be able to take on animal form, but it also has an appearance like a sort of witch with long dirty massive hair and bloodshot eyes and the long black tongue and nails. And it can take bird form as well that have this dreadful smell. I was reading by Michael Lindemans of the Encyclopedia Mythica. He wrote about his own experience because he lived there as boy in small village in Philippines and

28:49 And it was a bright moon and he said he could see something floating horizontally in front of the neighbor's window, but it looked like a person. The next day he talked to the children next door and they were really matter-of-fact and they just said well it was after our mother because she is sick. Their theory is that these entities target the ill and vulnerable and are supposed to be able to enter a person's body and then use that body to inflict harm on its enemies I found a really fascinating one from South Africa. There's an English guy called Jiminy Shreve and he is a voodoo practitioner, but he wrote about this account that actually went into the courts... A man was put on trial for it in 1987 because he'd woken up in this rural village, he heard scratching noises at his front door and he had called out and nobody had answered so he grabbed hold of his axe and opened the door

29:42 bat-like creature hanging from the rafters of the roof, and he hit it with the axe. And then he fled next door to the neighbors and several of them returned. He wanted to show them what's this thing? They saw this creature dragging itself across a yard toward a fence, and he hit it again until it stopped moving. But the thing was in court because what transpired was that it turned into a man allegedly so When it went to court, each witness described it differently. Some said that it was a mule-type creature and some said that it was a winged creature but all of them said that it changed its form in front of their eyes so it started off as a creature but then turned into the body of a child and then it turned into a fully formed man. Well when he turned out, he had actually killed the local wizard who was called Jim Mifalamaa and he was reputed to be this wizard who used to go around the village and tell people I can do whatever I want with you

30:33 And he would say, nobody's got the power apart from me. But I don't work in the daytime, I operate at night and that's when I fight my battles." It was actually a proper trial in South Africa and the judge said well you should have realized it was the man but all of the witnesses said oh it shifted. Yeah, that is an interesting element too and it's got to be really disconcerting when you think you're beating an animal or shooting an animal And then it turns into a person. I mean now you're looking at jail time exactly. Yeah, he did he got manslaughter? Yeah, man Appealed then it was appealed may reduce his sentence Oh nice. Yes. He got that out of it what

31:17 Man, shapeshifters skinwalkers cryptids. I love all that stuff another couple stories that You have a section of is jinn encounters or maneuvering fairies which is slightly similar? I suppose sometimes I wonder if we're not looking at just different ways of describing the same phenomenon but things like Jinn and these fairies they have fairly unique characteristics to their encounters don't they Yeah, they do. I mean some people say it's the archons and that the archons are the ones who manifest these entities and they can appear in all of these different forms but then if you look at the Celtic kind of tradition fairies were very much part of folklore but it wasn't really folklore, they actually said that they were having sightings to them it was real and it very well may have been

32:05 I mean, the Jinn are harder. They're almost like the skin walkers. It's so hard to find accounts of that although I have a friend who has told me Jinn stories because he comes from the Middle East and for them it is totally real and they get exercise to get it out of them. So there is very strong cultural belief there But the fairy stories, you know the fairies are supposed to be elemental spirits and their natural habitat is said to be the woods and forests. The thing about them is that they're supposed to use a power of illusion or glamour so that they can disguise the path in front of you. So you may think you've come to a meadow, but actually they're leading you through something really precarious and you're going off the edge of a cliff. And the djinn are supposed to be able take the form of winds or storms and again they can cause you accidents. The fairies I mean they can be invisible, they can manifest in Ireland there was newspaper reports in the 70s that these school children saying that they had these apparitions of fairies and they would chase them

33:06 and they would go through the hedges, but there would be no... They would just go straight through them. They could go through walls or anything! In the 1800s, there used to be lots of reports about fairy sightings and quite strangely, religious figures, vicar's, would write about them. There is one story that was in 1865, and a little boy said that he'd been lured into the forest by some music. And he said that the leaves and branches parted as he walked, it was almost like they were opening for him. He found himself down in this beautiful place

33:56 really strange is that there's a true story about a lady called Netta Fornerio. She lived in London in the 1900s and from a young age she was really, really keen on the growing Victorian spiritualism and she was obsessed with trying to commune with spirits of the dead She actually joined the Alpha and Omega Temple which was established by Samuel Mathers after he'd been kicked out of The Golden Dawn. And Mathers and Aleister Crowley had this fight for power over it, and it was said that Samuel Mathers had manifested a vampiric entity to attack Crowley, and Crowley responded by raising demons. They've

34:39 But the actual story about Netta is really, sort of incorporates a possibility that she was taken by fairies. Because she went off to a tiny remote island in the Hebrides in 1929 and that's off the coast of Scotland and it's only about three miles wide. And at the time there was no electricity, no water, no phones The legendary English diarist, Dr. Samuel Johnson had written about it and he had said about this really strange unusual energy that was there before him and it has been founded years ago so in the 7th century an abbot of the island called

35:18 He'd written about St. Columba, who the legend had it could control the weather and the island and he could keep the dragons and serpents away but the monk wrote about his encounters with fairies and angelic visitations so she's gone there anyway for this extended stay she left London on her own and found lodgings with a family there It turns out that she used to spend her day in the bedroom and at night she would roam the malls on her own, and then come home in the early hours. And it seems that she would just spend all day writing a journal but nobody really knew what she did at night. But her behavior began to get really disturbing because the family noticed that her jewelry

36:01 But in the daytime she seemed to have this really far away trance sort of expression. She wasn't focused at all, she was just glazed and then they left her to it but then one day she became really distressed and said to the family I've got to leave, I've got to get back to London immediately." And she said that she was being disturbed by people telepathically and she was receiving messages from other worlds. But the thing was on that island it is a Sunday and the boat didn't go to the mainland on a Sunday so the mother said well we'll take all your belongings and we'll take you down to the harbor and you can wait there for the ferry for the next day She went back to her room and she packed, and then she came out. And she said to them no it's okay I've changed my mind. Later the mother Mrs McCrae described her as having this look of resignation about her. She spoke that if it was a inevitability you know she'd resign herself to her fate

36:51 The next afternoon, the mother realized that she hadn't seen her for the whole day so she knocked on her door and there was no answer. She went in all of our belongings were in there but the room was empty and in her fireplace with a manuscript and she'd burnt it all and they were concerned for her mental state so they set out across the island and it's only one mile by three miles wide but they spent the whole day searching through the mall They didn't find her, so the next day they looked again and they still didn't find her. So they sent somebody over to the mainland to get a policeman and they brought him back. And then the next day they went out again and their son found her lying dead. She was

37:32 a long dark robe, and it had occult stigmas in the lapel. And she was lying over a piece of grass on a mound that she'd carved across into the earth underneath her. And it was said that in her left hand she had this long knife which she held and her face was supposed to have been in expression of terror—you know, but she had these fierce scratches all over her body and the doctor couldn't determine her time of death. But also, the weird thing as well was that her toes were all cut because she was barefoot, so it seemed to indicate that she'd been running across the rocks on a rough ground there, maybe you know if she's being chased or what is she running from? The soles of her feet were completely clean and there was no damage to them. So they were thinking how did

38:19 walk all around the island for two days like that. Her death was ruled as exposure, obviously but her good friend, Dion Fortune who was part of the Alpha and Omega organization she said well Moira Matters, the wife of Samuel Matters has killed They thought, well how? Because she's dead. And she said it was a psychic astral attack because Crowley and Mathers had this battle going on But the thing was, she... and also of course the mistresses of Crowley. Four of them have killed themselves so it was sort of well had they been killed by some kind of ritual summoning because Mathis himself has said you know I can summon the demon Beelzebub but i'm warning you all that if you don't take pristine care in your ritual it will kill you or yourself

39:10 So there was a thought, well has she somehow been killed on an astral attack? Is that even possible. But the thing is Netta also back in London she used to write reviews for the Occult Review so she was obsessed apparently by the writings of Fiona MacLeod who is actually a man called William Sharp and he's a Scottish poet but he wrote under this pen name And she went to see this opera called The Immoral Hour, and she went to see it about 30 times. She was obsessed with it and then she'd write a review about it. And The Immoral Hour is about fairies and folk fairy magic, and she describes the fairies in that as a breed of strong immortals that humans are in awe of but they fear because their ability to interfere and manipulate with people

39:56 In her review, it actually mentioned the dangers of opening yourself up to the fairy realms because of what could happen. She called them a dark cataclysm which is saying ancestrally that they're very dark beings and have no human empathy so she seemed really aware of the danger of dabbling in this but Moina Matthews also pointed out that she stopped working with METI in their occult workings because she was so obsessed and she was dabbling in this obsession of trying to contact the Green Ray Elemental, which is supposed to be one well in the esoteric belief where you've got all these different rays and the green ray elementals they come from um you know Gnosticism and Theosophy, and the rays are a type of light where matter is comprised of waves and energy and thought to have created the universe. So the green way is believed to be on a substrata or this

40:48 these planes, but it's on a higher plane than the sort of demonic plane. So the idea was that maybe she was trying to communicate and go towards this fairy realm and it turns out that the writer that she was so obsessed with as well he had also spent some time on the island and he'd lived there, been brought up there and he had gone one day and she disappeared. Her mother said, well she's gone to the fairy mound because she believes that the monks from the island are trying to kill her they're threatening her I mean the dead monks so she'd gone for the only place where a monk couldn't access which was this fairy mound and that was where she was found dead So there was all this fairy lore but on the other hand at time when she was found dead then there was a report of black hooded robed figure that was found with her

41:44 wandering around but there was also UFO lights in the sky and so again it's kind of well what the heck happened you know? All kinds of elements tie in there. And I do love stories of things that fit the description of fairies or gnomes, elves and goblins. Some type of mystical humanoids that might be screwing with humanity from the shadows. I think it's a really compelling idea because in the conspiracy world we're always looking at who is on top of the pyramid and if you look at it there are possibilities for non-human elements. A lot people talk about

42:21 partnership between alien races and the global elite but what if you know we're dealing with some type of mystical entities that are based on the earth that are just not something we understand and they kind of pull us like puppet strings whenever they decide to get bored. Yeah I mean i really think it's a lot to do with the vibration energy in fact we're a certain denseness, aren't we? And they're a different kind of denseness. They are much lighter and they can come and sort of flitter into our world and go out again." I forget which book...I think something in the words…I do have a really big section on invisible entities and there are so many accounts for people having some kind of encounter with things where they can only hear their footsteps or that

43:06 They're invisible type entities. Well, they obviously exist but you can't see them so they're coming from some other dimension that they are coming into ours because they shift their density It's a hard thing to grasp But then if you can grasp it makes complete sense To me, I'm really keen on the idea of life after death and near-death experiences and afterlife communication. That's a fascination for me. Some of those accounts kind of because to me it validates the existence of our soul after death, I find it harder

43:43 that these entities can come into our world as well, if that makes sense. It does and I'm not sure either...I kind of assume that if you can go one way you've got to be able to do something to go the other way too but who knows? Exactly! I wish science studied it a little bit more but we talked about the idea of negative fairies and entities in djinn let's talk about the flip side there are stories of people being helped by spirits when they're kinda lost alone in the woods aren't there Yeah, there's some really good ones. One of my favorite ones actually is quite a famous story and it's sort of called Michael Of The Morning and there was a reverend called Walter Muldy and he gave a talk to some Marines on the naval base at San Diego in 1950 and he read a letter out that had been given him by a young Marine and it was based in the Korean War

44:37 And the Reverend Walter Muddy, he said I corroborate this. I've spoken to the boy and this is what happened." And the letter itself was to the boy's mother and he said something has happened to me. I don't dare tell anybody else for fear that they're just going to ridicule me but I have His mother had said to him, you know that prayer Michael, Michael of the morning? I want you say it every day. And he was writing back and saying to her, I've said that prayer everyday but i need to tell you what happened. He says one day they were sent out on patrol and it was in the winter he's walking along and he suddenly sees this man standing next to him, this huge marine who was about six foot five. And he thought well I don't recognize you and he said to him Hi who are you? He said I'm Michael and he said that's my name too! Then this big Marine started reciting the prayer that he said every day and he said I don't understand it but I know everybody else in my unit anyway then

45:38 He thought, well that's the man next to me. I can't see his breath but it's really misty and cold Anyway um The marine said to him there is going to be some trouble up ahead And a snow storm came in So they couldn't see anything at all But when it cleared They found themselves standing face-to-face with the enemy With the Korean soldiers The Michael that wrote the letter he just grabbed hold of the big guy and he ducked down, but he got hit as he um So yeah so he ducked down But the big guy Michael who we didn't know He refused to get down And even he brought up trying put him down and he got shot I mean you said all he could remember was being held by this huge soldier and then a soldier got back up and he said he seemed to be

46:20 and he had this terrible splendor on his face, and it looked like he had these huge wings that were glowing. And in his hand he had a sword." And then he passed out and woke up in hospital. The sergeant of the unit came to see him and said, The soldier in bed, the Marine Michael he said what do you mean? He said you killed each one with a single stroke of sword. Wow! Yeah I know and then he said who was that guy that was with me and he said you know Michael and goes your'e the only Michael I love that story. Frank Smyde was trying to climb Everest with a group and it was 1933, he'd got up 26,000 feet and he had about 1,000 feet left to go. The oxygen at that level is almost enough you're going to die virtually. He thought,

47:16 He thought okay, it's just me. I'm gonna do it and he pulled out his last remaining piece of food Which was a biscuit then he broke it in half and gave it to the man with him And when you got back back to base? He was writing this journal and he said yeah, I can't believe that I thought somebody was with me all that time But nobody was there with me um and then A woman called Chantal Leakey, she'd written into Newsweek in 1993 and she said that she was up on a mountain trail in Pacific Highway 101. She was with her fiancé and he said I want to show you this tremendous scenic route if you come up the mountains so they climbed

47:57 And it was really beautiful, but now they were going to get down. And he chose to come down via a path which is almost like an animal trail and the thing was it started to rain as well It was loose shale and they were trying to get down He was turning around occasionally to try you know help her and if she turned round one more time he fell off to the mountainside and obviously died She froze in terror she didn't know what to do But she said, I had no faith. I didn't believe in God at all but all of a sudden...I prayed and it was almost as though the gateway between heaven and the angels just opened up! And I saw these angels all around me and they got me down the mountain. When the rescue people came they said there's no way we would go down that path

48:44 We wouldn't do it even with our equipment. But she had somehow managed to get down the bottom, and in her opinion they had brought her down. There was a journalist called Bill Burtt who used to travel the country covering stories as a reporter. Some scouts in Scotland had gone missing on a mountain and he'd been sent to cover this story. It's about a six-hour journey from London. So by the time he got there, they'd been found." But he thought well I'll talk to the boys anyway and they can tell me what happened to them and basically we were lost you know? We didn't know what to do but then we saw this woman in this long white gown and she was beckoning to us so we followed her and she took us to the search party

49:27 Bill Burt, the reporter he thought well that's amazing and he went to talk to the rescue party and said you know did you hear what the boys said? And they said of course there was no woman up on a mountain it was snowing freezing cold. No way! But I mean there are hundreds of stories like this you know they're just incredible and for people who were there at time probably could never convince them that it didn't happen so you know there is a psychologist I think his name and he called it the second-person syndrome. It's almost as if your subconscious conjures up this image, but I don't know...I tend to think that actually they were probably helped Right. I mean both are compelling ideas the idea that it's some psychological effect is possible I mean trauma based mind control is well known for creating multiple personalities and within a body, I guess It's possible you could have one without although you'd think if that was something that was common it would happen to people that are in like solitary confinement pretty regularly and I don't think

50:24 I don't know that it's a psychological manifestation. It seems legit, people have negative encounters all the time why shouldn't there be some positive ones? Yeah absolutely! Yeah, yeah. So I do love along with the goblins and the fairies and those types of elvish entities...I like them because apparently they seem more earth-based and probably underground. The stories of underground creatures in bases are pretty fascinating to me and that seems to be the explanation given for some other disappearances in this forest in Puerto Rico which is pretty strange and some of the strange cases

51:05 there kind of point to an underground manipulation of some kind, doesn't it? It really does. It was Scott Corrales who's a fantastic researcher and seems to cover sort of the Latin American places And he was writing about El Yunque National Forest which is dubbed A place that has a dark side that involves human disappearances In 1973, nine campers and students and their leaders including a man called Harry Bramoff. They were heading up the mountain trail to camp there for the night and they met three men coming down the trail and one of the students was taking pictures at that time

51:54 They noticed, well they looked like humans but they were all dressed exactly the same and their features on their face seemed to be identical as well. But they didn't really think anything of it and when the film was developed later there was just a mist where those three people had been so that was a bit strange but it got weirder because that night they were all camped up and suddenly they found themselves surrounded by five vaguely humanoid figures, but they were darting around really fast through the vegetation. They said they had claw-like hands and elongated ears but what they did well if they could not be to make it up the trail that we're going down for the men and for the uh... campus to escape and except had triangular shaped head but all night they circle them at that time when it astonishing speed and and he made one of the group but hitting self-promotion flashlight so terrified he just wanted to help himself out but there's no need to make a report back

52:51 There's an ex-Navy officer, Jorge Martin and he runs a radio show called OVNIS Confidential. He is now a ufologist. And he said we've seen craft emerging and going into the sea. We've seen them go inside of the mountain base. They have been there for years you know? But in the 70s as well, a group of school children... an investigator called Hermes Rivera had written about some children and they'd all disappeared on a school trip. And the police turned to a psychic which sometimes they do, and he said that they're no longer in this physical dimension. It was reported that the teacher killed himself over it because you know so distraught but all these children disappeared

53:34 And two soldiers have disappeared from the naval base security point as well. So there's lots and lots of accounts, and the authorities tend to sort of say well I think they've just disappeared into sinkholes but then they say that actually they weren't anywhere near the sinkholes when they went missing But it's known really for really weird creatures and really weird disappearances but a UFO hotspot as well Yeah what a strange place Pretty wild. Another thing people scoff at, and of course whenever I go on a show as a guest they always make a crack about reptilians but there seems to be some actual stories of encounters with reptilian-like beings that you've dug up out there aren't there?

54:18 There are a lot. I mean there's thousands and thousands of people who say that they've been abducted by them Yeah, I know and it's not a new thing is it when he's been going on for years and years in terms of accounts coming out about it John Rhodes is probably one of the authorities on it. I mean, I'm not an authority on it That's for sure but then John Rhodes He calls himself the alien hunter But then he you know have affirmed belief that there's reptilian bases under the National Parks You know like Dulce and He says, you know worldwide the legends tell of an underworld inhabited by these mystical beings of varied forms which I believe to this day that they're still underground. That's what he says and then you look at things like Thomas Pustello which is a really old story about security guard who said that he worked in Dulce and he came across these lizard-like upright reptilians

55:10 John Carpenter as well, I don't know if he still is but he was the director of MUFON and he's a psychiatric therapist. So he has interviewed people and had these testimonies from them and the accounts are all the same where they say that they've encountered reptilians and there were always bigger than 7ft lizards scales human snake type face almond eyes vertical slips in their eyes, no lips but very muscular but they can shape shift. So the idea is that they can impose a hologram of human face onto theirs and they use mind control to sort of drain your energy and make you do what they want you to

55:47 There's a woman called Kay Kiziar who says that she was abducted under the superstition of mountains and taken down into this base where there were these beings in dark robes, using them as slaves but using them up on the surface as slaves after they'd mind controlled. I mean Thomas Costello said that when he worked there in the base. And you know, I don't know if it's true or not but he said that it was a government military base but there were people in cages so human beings had been abducted taken underground and they're used in experiments and they're turned into like hybrid monsters that are kept in cages and when they're no use anymore they're just fed to the reptilians and eaten which yeah it all sounds really really really ridiculous

56:32 On the other hand, if you've had that encounter I don't think you would say it was. It's really down to... If you have these kind of experiences then you believe it, you know? In the UK probably as in your country as well but we have a person called Miles Johnson he has been studying this for years about 20 odd years and he had a similar kind of security guard testimony from a guy called Barry King now he is on YouTube on what is called The Bases Project And the idea with these bases, supposedly in England is that their military base is underground. But not so much that the reptilians are in control but it's more like the military government are in control and they've generated these programmed life forms that they now use to do their bidding. It's more like we're in control of them." He was saying he came across all these creatures

57:23 And it goes further because they say that whistleblowers that have come out, you know say that they were taken down as children and used in experience mind-controlled like you said about the factored personalities and weaponized to remote view people. To kill them using also using a cult ritual to enhance their power but they can't you know got the power to remotely view people It goes way into the land of sci-fi. I don't know much about sci-fi because I've never read a sci-fi book, but you could say this is the stuff that films are made of but there's also so many whistleblowers that say actually this is what going on. Talking with them about what John Rhodes said about these mystical beings underground in

58:06 writing about Malta, you know the island Malta? Yes. Well there's an archaeologist called Graham Stewart and he made a statement that mythological creatures exist in the governments have known for such a long time and they're actually fed humans And what happened in the early 1900s was that A group of laborers were digging a well and they accidentally discovered excavations that led them down into multi-level catacombs And down there they found 7,000 skeletons. A lady who worked at the British Embassy called Lilla Jessop had gone on a guided tour of these catacombs and against the advice of the guide she'd snuck off into one of the little chambers and she'd gone through it and she found that it led her out into this almost bottomless cave, this huge area.

58:56 When she looked opposite her, she saw these beings emerge and they were extremely tall and they were wearing cowls over them. And they had long white hair and she said that they beckoned with their fingers to her and there was a huge wind so she literally just ran as fast as she could back out. She said that she saw the guide and looked at him and she was about to tell him but he gave her a look that told her he already knew what she'd seen Yeah, she wrote about her experience to a journal called Borderland Science through the editor called Crab Riley and she mentioned that a group of school children and their teachers had gone missing inside the catacombs prior to her visit a few years before.

59:38 she thought well the story was that the cave had, um... the wall had caved in so they have been trapped inside but they were searched for weeks but never found. So it's supposed to be a true story and but Brad Riley of The Journal he thought well you know I don't know is there any evidence for this? He spent weeks looking for evidence of this story and he found in National Geographic article and it said that It said that these children had gone missing and they'd been searched for, and they just had to give up in the end because they couldn't find them. But the article that he read about the children missing was written by another archaeologist called William Griffith, and he has called the actual place there a restaurant for the Atlantean descendants. And actually, he said 30,000 skeletons were found under there. Wow!

1:00:25 Yeah, but you know what's interesting? A guy called Dustin Mace has done some research on caves in America and he said there are 700 caves and tunnels in the Lava Beds National Park alone. And there is about 150 in Marble Mountain with about 30 miles mapped so I mean it's you know, there is a possibility. So it's not so much that they're alien-type creatures but they're an ancient race that are down underground. You know? There's that idea." Yeah! Sometimes I think that the... either the stories of The Greys could just be a misinterpretation of the same phenomenon that's ongoing or maybe, you mentioned in one of the books that some researchers claim

1:01:07 saying these disappearances are attributed to Bigfoot or some type of unknown animal or some cryptid, I mean some people are saying that that is disinformation just to cover up the military operations or the joint operations with these underground entities. Or just something they've discovered is we might not be the apex animal on this planet there might be something else down there do you think that there's an element of disinformation in this realm? Of attributing it into anything else but what it really is Well, I'm not sure.

1:01:51 And he was saying, well actually it's because the bases underground are where they put the Nazis after they were smuggled over and it's an elite breeding ground. So we want to say its Bigfoot or these creatures because we want to keep you away from what is going on here. Mary Joyce and she's got a website called, I think you had her on your show actually, Sky Ships Over Cashier is her website. And yeah, I was reading about something that she said about a lady called Jane Spotted Bird and she'd gone into, I believe it was the Smoky Mountains on a little walk

1:02:28 and she was going up to a monument to have a look at it. And she was going towards it, but as she got closer she realized there were no noises—no bird-nature noises—and she'd get this really pounding sort of headache and she could hear all this pounding noise as if it were like pylons being put into the ground And it made her feel really nauseous and ill. And actually, she sort of left and she was saying well maybe these bases are possibly being built... Maybe there's disinformation I suppose to try keep people away from what is really going on underground but it's not so much that there are these creatures but there's a lot of building elite bunkers that sort of thing So maybe there is this information? I don't know!

1:03:14 And I really wish that people would just tell the truth because in this actual area of investigation, it's really hard to find the truth and what is true and what isn't true. So I honestly don't know in terms of whether or not this information is going on Right. Yeah, I mean that is an element that really sucks But yeah It makes logical sense if the government's trying to cover something up they got to put people out there that are going to give false information and send people down the wrong trail looking for the answers I mean that happens but what sucks is that mainstream people or people just don't have a serious interest in this stuff they find out one or two things as a hoax and it's so disconcerting that you're like screw it, I'm done with this kind of stuff. And that's exactly the intended goal I think

1:04:04 Well, that's the thing with Bigfoot isn't it? I mean to be honest. I actually don't really even get into the bigfoot side of things because A.) Because there are so many experts who have dedicated their lives to it but also B.) How do you know what is true and what isn't true? It's just confusing! But I guess I'm not talking about disinformation here...I am talking more about people's accounts I think what befuddles me is any idea of duplicity. When I first started researching and getting involved in this field, everybody was really nice to me.

1:04:42 Because of the nature of it, because it's quite spiritual I thought everybody was nice but I don't think that is actually necessarily the case. You know everybody is the same as they are in ordinary life aren't they? In this field as well you get the good and bad so trying to work out... But it is a shame if there is disinformation. But I'm sure it's out there. That also applies, doesn't it? To the UFO thing... that's a massive field of misinformation and disinformation Yep, it becomes very hard and of course not only is there professional disinformation but there's also just people who want attention. People who have a psychotic episode... But again I mean if only five of these stories are true or two of these stories are true that's enough to be like something strange is going on in the world Oh absolutely! I was on a show a few months ago and after that I got people sending me accounts

1:05:39 These accounts are so compelling and I had one, in fact I put it in my last book. It was...I had so many interviews with this guy that I really do believe he actually knew what he was talking about and a lot of stuff I have to leave out because it's too dangerous for him allegedly to reveal all the things So, you know I tend to believe that a lot of the accounts are genuinely true. There's an...I don't know if we're going to talk about it but there is a phenomenon maybe called the stick men now I was looking on a website and the people that kind of first brought it to the attention and there's about 300 accounts on there now I do not how many are true I don't know how many people just writing in because they think

1:06:26 It's good to write about. But even like you say, if 1% is true it means that it exists. So... Yeah! You're right, it only takes one and those stick figure beans man I have seen a little bit of footage of those things very creepy I don't really know what to make them based on the reports are there any characteristics that they share that are unique to them or different from other types of encounters he could tell us about? Yeah, the weirdest characteristic is that it has a kind of lolloping gait. So it either walks in this way... Do you know what I mean by lolloping gait? Not exactly. Okay, lolloping. It's almost like so I suppose if you're really tall and lanky and you were a little bit drunk, you tend to be a bit clumsy when walking

1:07:17 Yeah, so kind of like that. So yeah they have a feature of doing that or they also glide although they have legs they glide, they don't walk with their legs I mean when it first came out maybe a year ago and it was on Spirit Seekers blog and I think they probably made me first bought up and they were saying themselves is this a new meme like Slender Man? Or is this real But there are a lot of accounts, you know. It's like a big thick black shadow and it's the shape of the person but it doesn't have any features so its got very long head but extremely long arms. In terms of the long arms now I've read books that have been written 200 years ago or 100 years

1:08:07 similar characteristic is always these really long arms, whether it's Thick Man or whether it's a really other strange creature. And you kind of think what they were saying about that 100 years ago 200 years ago why these long arms but and why would they all just make it up? But these stick men, a woman wrote in to move on and she was in Tennessee in her house and it was about six in the morning. And she said that she's on the deck of her house having a cup coffee and she saw something out at the corner for eye and had decks about 12 foot off the ground As she turned her head, she saw this huge black shadow in the shape of a man but it was standing higher than the deck so it had to be more than 12 feet. But it had no face and yet it turned its head towards her and then slowly she described it as peeling itself off

1:08:58 of the rail and then running it fingers slowly along the rails as they're coming in her direction. And then it started floating away, but it had legs but wasn't touching the ground and it did move them like a man would, but it wasn't touching the ground! As we got some distance away, it turned its head back and she said I felt like it was communicating the message to me that it had left me unharmed, but it was telling me that it's more than capable of hurting if it chose too? Man, that's wild. I do love those stories also you've mentioned a few of them where people are found in a way that implies they were placed there very creepy it implies something intelligent is taking people You can't write that off as bear attack or something because bears don't take people for a week and then bring them back to where they were

1:09:48 One case that you had written about was Robert Springfield. It's an interesting case, he is also a former Marine which is worth pointing out so the guy should have some type of survival skills but there were some strange anomalous details to the findings in his remains right? Yeah there was and I think it's that family ended up taking him to court, I think at some point. He was a former Marine and former Special Forces Reserve and he'd grown up in the area which was the Big Horn Mountains of Montana and it was in 2004 and it was actually on the pro-Indian reservation and he was hunting with his son when he went missing. They obviously got separated, and he just seemed to disappear so they got the helicopter out for him using infrared and they had 12 trains canines about 200 people volunteered to look for him but they couldn't find him at all, no sign, no scent... They searched actually for weeks And then returned again in the following spring still couldn't find him

1:10:52 A year later his remains were found and it was exactly 50 yards from where they had set up camp in all of their previous searches. So obviously they'd searched all of that area before, and the family... They even said we would have smelt something if know, if he'd been there when we were looking. And they noticed that his wallet which had his ID and social security number in it had no sign of weather damage so if he's been outside for a year they would have got some kind of damp or rain had got to it all snowed. So in a way seemed to imply that he has been elsewhere during that time but obviously where had you been? You know, complete mystery! Actually there was a case

1:11:38 I believe it was the Bennington Glastonbury Mountain, and four or five people went missing in a period of about three or four years. And it's a lady called Frida Lange and she went missing—I think it's the white one I'm talking about—and she'd got a bit wet as she had accidentally gone into a bit of a stream so she said to her cousin, I'll go back and change just walk on and I'll catch you up disappeared and she was found in the area that they'd looked for her. And there were rumors, and one report that her body was fresh when it was found but she's been missing for about a year so where had she been all that time? I'm shocked how many of those type of stories there are hundreds of them! No real explanation and no real agency going after answers... It's very curious

1:12:32 Another phenomenon that I think is pretty interesting is what's going on at the Assonet ledge or the bridge in Scotland. I think these are two places with a similar phenomenon where people seem to be prompted to leap to their death, I guess? Is that kind of what's going on these places? Well, that's the mystery. I was kind of... you know first of all i was thinking well maybe is it something to do with the granite or the... I mean granite is composed partly of quartz and quartz holds memory-it retains memory and that's why they use it in spell casting for magic because it keeps that intent um so i'm thinking well i wonder if you know the geography itself has something to do with it but then i was also thinking when i was

1:13:18 going more into it and I was finding stories about people hearing voices, so thinking well maybe there's a demonic entity but Affanet Ledge which is in Three Town State Forest in Massachusetts. There are about 12 or 13 people that have committed suicide on the ledge but its not a suicide hotspot we have these hotspots in England as Im sure you do over there where people will always go because they know it's where people, you know. But this was not associated with it at all and the people that killed themselves didn't know the other people unless they sort of scoured the newspapers, they wouldn't know about it but the witnesses who did survive were saying things that they felt

1:13:57 terrible feeling of dread when they were approaching it in the area and then they were just overcome by this urge to jump off into the quarry below. And some have done it in front of companions that they've been with, but their companions have said well they didn't show any sign at all having that intention I mean there was nothing wrong with them and then they did It's a place called Devil's Pool in far north Queensland, Australia which is called the Devil's Pool as well and that has got a quarry bit over the top. That has got the same reputation where there have been so many deaths there but I suppose

1:14:38 which is over the River Clyde and it's a granite bridge. But the very, very strange thing is that at least 50 dogs have thrown themselves off the bridge and died, which is unheard of. This was not something that dogs would do. And I suppose there are a few components there because it is a granite bridge but the There was an animal behavior therapist, psychologist. And he took his own dog over there and the dog froze at a certain spot and tried to jump off but he couldn't account for it. The only thing that he could come up with is he said well there's mink sometimes

1:15:26 and that's got a really strong smell, and it could be that. But then there is also the story that years ago a man had thrown his baby off the bridge and then tried to kill himself as well but had been stopped from doing it. And actually a woman has written a book about this that came out very recently and she has found there's a mansion just below and it could be the fact that there are ghost sightings there. So, it is very paranormal kind of area but no explanation really at all as to why dogs would do that. Right! Yeah, that's even more interesting I mean animals seem to be more prone to doing things instinctually and that's definitely not something you would do? People seem to be one of the few

1:16:13 animals on the planet that does routinely kill themselves. But man, the fact that dogs are doing it I guess it goes back to that idea of energy in a certain place like you mentioned with that first place we talked about sometimes people feel a pull on their steering wheel and their car Man maybe there's just a pocket of entities there that's whispering into ears of passerby's and trying to coax them into the great beyond but It is odd I know, well because I wrote a book on demon encounters and it reminded me of this because of the man in London and as a result of the experience he had this day. He actually ended up becoming a paranormal investigator who dedicated his life to it because he was a teenager when he went into a house in London with his dad and his dad was a housing inspector that was just after the war and he's going upstairs and there is sort of balcony outside one

1:17:09 And as he stood near the balcony, he heard a voice in his head and it said jump. It's not very far you'll be fine and Luckily his dad came in and got pulled him back from the ledge and his father went to a friend of his who worked for The Metropolitan Police then he said can you find anything out about this house? Because it's really strange and then he found out that I think it was 17 people had jumped off that ledge Wow Yeah Something's going on. Another weird phenomenon, and people have been writing me about this recently is this black goo phenomenon there seems to be a lot of cases where this comes up I'm a little bit surprised it's fairly new to me but i've been getting multiple requests about it explain to us what people are seeing or experiencing with this black goo

1:17:55 Well, it seemed to come out about two years ago in the UK anyway. That's when I kind of heard about it and there was a guy called David Griffin who runs an exo-politics site now he did get information from a New Zealand guy who apparently is now in jail over it but I don't know his name I'm afraid but so he has been giving talks and he started about two years ago um... Now the idea is that uh... the Falklands War in 1982 was supposed to be over territory. We want the territory of the Argentine Falkland Islands, but Argentina had said that they wanted it back. So that was what the real reason for the war was." But he's saying no it has nothing to do with that. It is a fact there's an island as part of the Falkland Island called Kewal Island and that was discovered in 1700 by Captain Cook and its pretty much very very close to Antarctica

1:18:52 And in 76, the Argentine military had put a small base there that is our territory. So that's why the war was started but his theory was actually there is blue ET base there and when the UK went there, that was what they were going there for and they destroyed it and what they took away from that base was this black goo. This black goo is supposed to be a sentient oil fluid. The fluid, the oil is the carrier so inside of the oil is a nanotechnology of alien origin and it's supposed to be sentient and biomorphic

1:19:32 The idea then, according to David Griffin is that it was then given to Marconi. Marconi is a British defense company and the weird thing about that is there were stream of death in Marconi in the 80's just after this period but the black goo as its called something that's aware and it operates within an intelligence, so it responds to RF signals. So you program a subatomic level and its supposed to be able to transform our DNA through its own specifications. So we can hijack our system and alter it according to how is programmed in how it wants you to change You know it can collect data from that person and then change you

1:20:18 It's supposed to sort of be a piggyback. It can piggyback off you as well, and there are also further claims that it can go on to be a shapeshifter or it can take any form it wants too These are all theories I'm not saying this is what it is but thats whats out there at the moment Then it goes a bit further as well because there's a journal called Veterans Today and Gordon Duff is one of the writers for it, he calls himself a global intelligence specialist. And now his claims get even wilder because he says that this nanosubstance has been activated by this off-planet

1:20:54 ET race. So it has become activated and it's now sentient, and its aggressive, and it's shown itself capable according to him of disarming fleets of ships and killing people. And he says our military have been able so far to protect us with our own technologies to counteract this however the Chinese are now working with this off-planet group of ETs who controls this goo and they're threatening countries to align with it or else, you know, they'll unleash it. So he's saying this alien group is hostile to us, China's in league with it, they're going to kill us all! I suppose you have to sort of say well...I mean I haven't watched Prometheus but apparently its in Prometheus, its in the X-Files now so you can say well

1:21:39 Somebody has just come up with this idea, they've taken it from the movies and they're putting it out there. On the other hand you can also say some people believe that movies are how methods are revealed aren't they? So you know the Illuminati, they'll reveal all their methods, you can look at all the classic signs in the movies, they're telling you what's going to happen because they need to tell you in order to get that subliminal permission and then they'll do it so I don't know but it gets even deeper because people like Miles Johnson who I mentioned before of the bases, now his theory is that actually yes Marconi the defence company took it and

1:22:15 They found it to be highly unstable. So he says, they dumped it and now we're owning our sewers and its infiltrating people." And he's had people on his shows saying what happened after being infiltrated by this black goo. I think that has taken too far but there are a lot of people who say you know that they've been infected with it. Now there is a man The recent thing, because you said you wanted to talk about it and I thought why did I write about it? And then I found out in the book. But recently has really come to the fore from a guy called Harold Katzweller who's a German scientist that have to say I haven't watched or heard about all of that but I think so Harold Katzweller is the guy at the moment who's really coming out with what's going on at the moment.

1:22:59 But going back to the Marconi death, I wonder if that really does lend it credibility or not. Because in the 80s just after the Falklands War, Marconi was given a defense contract supposedly from the US government to work on Star Wars projects which was supposed to be a pilot program for America's strategic defense. There were about 30 people that died, all of them worked in the same company or associated with that company and they all died by the most ridiculous method so one of them went home, went into his garden shed and he stripped the rubber off the electrical leads

1:23:38 and he attached them to himself, turned the electricity on and killed himself. Another man wrapped the rope around his neck tied it to a tree and drove off another man drove off with canisters of petroleum blew himself up A woman was found tied-up in just a tiny bit of water drowned in it Another man drove about 200 miles to jump off a bridge He had a puncture wound In his buttocks So there were all these really, really strange deaths and people in Parliament were trying to raise it as an issue to get it debated. And the American Embassy was saying look this isn't James Bond don't be so silly. And then Oxford's specialist was saying, a counter-terrorism specialist

1:24:22 saying, look these need to be investigated. These are not suicides none of them showed any sign of wanting to kill themselves and but the idea was that nobody was looking into it because you know such a lucrative contract they didn't want to make a fuss about it so I don't know... again one of those things you don't know do you? I actually have talked to Nick Redfern a couple times about the Marconi deaths and they are so strange And I guess the only conclusion. I had ever really thought of is that it was a cover-up of some kind You know, they worked on something and then government wants to keep it quiet So they start knocking off all these scientists and all these researchers But I mean maybe there is another angle Maybe they were possessed by the goo maybe they're compelled

1:25:07 to just off themselves in strange ways because of their interactions with this stuff. Who knows? Well, exactly! Yeah exactly so that could lend credence to it being quite you know this aggressive kind of nano thing that can go into your body and influence you I mean if if possible...I don't know I really don't know. So, yeah they were either killed to be silenced because they were supposedly working on this death ray which was you know Dr Fred Bell and he died didn't he quite recently? And he was working on this Star Wars Death Ray thing and he was saying on radio shows that I've got a hand in them and not going to be happy that i'm revealing some of his stuff but they were working on the same thing at Marconi so initially it was supposed

1:25:56 these weapons, you know laser type weapons. It could well have been yeah this is black goo I really don't know I don't know if you've ever seen Spider-Man, but one of the premier characters in Spider-Man is Venom which is a black goo. It's black goo that takes over a person and it takes over Spider-Man he becomes a different darker version of Spider-man. It takes over one of his rivals at the newspaper and it becomes venom. They call this symbiotic suit but its black that takes a person over and has all these tentacle-like features. And apparently in Spider Man, it comes from a meteor from space but I think if anything seemed most similar from Hollywood to this black goo definitely be the symbiote suit of Venom which is very weird. Really? Yeah, I don't watch enough movies to know this but you know then you wonder well have it been taken from the movie or what? Right yeah chicken or the egg kind of thing

1:26:57 Also, we talked about things like the Slenderman and it could be a real manifestation just because so many people are familiar with the Hollywood version. Well it's funny because in the last book I was doing I came across this spate of suicides that have happened in England and I was trying to find another place where a cluster had happened And there was actually a friend of mine who sent me a link saying look here is a cluster And it was on the Pine, I believe it was a Pine Ridges reservation and a group of Native American teenagers were killing themselves. And they were saying that it was because of Slenderman but it also transpired that the elders were saying

1:27:41 It's walking Sam, it's this entity. It's a suicide spirit. It's always been in our culture and it visits you know? You have a visitation from the spirit so yeah was it you know Slenderman is a meme isn't it? It's made up thing but then actually the Native Americans were saying that it has been in our culture for a long time before the internet came along and its called Walking Sam and it's almost like The Shadow Man or The Hatman And um...you know it was appearing to these teenagers So yeah which one was it I don't know That's interesting. So, and with this black goo where is it now? Does it multiply does a degrade how much other isn't I mean that's the thing you know something thrown away into the sewers which okay I just think they'd throw it away into the sewers so I do not know well

1:28:27 I do not know. I strongly advise people if they want to look into it, there's some very good YouTube videos about it and this guy... If you go onto the internet and put The Bases Project in you'll find Harold, this German guy he would probably be saying where is now but I haven't got around to seeing him. Right, that's so funny because that that Harold guys presentation has been forwarded to me probably six or seven times while I was on Armenia and That is something people want me to reach out to him. I have I've tried to get a hold of them We're gonna try even harder but it was so coincidental we scheduled this interview long ago before I ever heard of the black goo And here it is in your book Yeah synchronicity yeah

1:29:08 Yeah, exactly. So we got a little bit of time left and the last thing I wanted to fit in in terms of topic is the stories of time travelers It's sort of connected to missing people a little bit but definitely a strange thing John Titor Of course Is the most famous of these cases? A lot of people are split on whether or not this was a hoax Or if it was something legitimate But tell us a little little bit about his story and what you think of the credibility on this one I really don't know about the credibility. I mean, I struggle with time travel to even understand it but I do not know. He turned up in 2000 and he was posting on bulletin boards which they had then and on Art Bell's forum as well and you were saying that he'd been sent back to 1975 together obscure IBM computer piece

1:29:55 at the neck with a complaint why would you need to uh... dp from an old computer but if you have and he made it a prediction and anything about civil war in america he said that the and he kept it out of them His time travel machine was a computer with gravity sensors and he posted sketches of it. And really, it was kind of supposed to be in a four-wheel truck so I don't know... He said that he was then stationed at an army base in Tampa after a massive world war in which three billion people were killed and he was in 2036 – the future.

1:30:33 And when people were skeptical of him in the online forums, they were saying give us the lottery numbers. Give us the Super Bowl scores and he was saying look... They all said you can't describe your time machine very well and he was saying well look if a general in the army has got a machine gun can he describe how that works? You know to try and say why would I know how it works? I just know that I've got it and use it His predictions didn't particularly come true but he said that there was a world war that ends in 2015, but it was short war so I suppose you could say what happens. But I don't know in terms of – I mean there were speculations that some kind of hoax but

1:31:18 of him was the fact that he couldn't really describe or really convince people of how I think all of his archives are on Anomalies Let to read, but I don't know in terms of that one. It was a great story when it came out but when I was doing that book, I really struggled and committed to doing it and then I really struggled to find time travelers. But I did find a really interesting story about a guy called Sean Day. Disclosed TV had put a post up in 2012 and they said, listen keep an open mind. This has happened it's real we're not making this up but on the viral mainstream truth website it had been hacked by a time traveler and he is called Sean Day who used to be a Navy SEAL who was part of the CIA and he is a time traveler

1:32:11 he had been bombarding the website Viral Mainstream Truth with all of his posts and he said I'm doing this to prove to you that I am a time traveler and to get you to listen, and he set up Facebook in YouTube. Now they're gone now but um... He said he had access to a quantum computer system and with it he was trying to stop a time machine himself and it was also looking for something called The Looking Glass. Now he made predictions about again a third world war economic collapse, alien invasion. But he said birth death and time are illusory there's no time it's only the now and he really emphasized that war is spiritual I urge you to become more spiritual to understand me And he said look at sacred geometry for clues but i mean he didn't give the actual clues He said he was running a safe house during this upcoming war

1:33:03 But again, he got really angry because the host of the website was really sceptical and was pushing him on answers. Anyway Disclosed TV carried out their own investigation and what they discovered that there was a Sean Day who is a Navy SEAL and did exist! And exactly at the same time in the newspapers A man called Sean day was arrested by the NYPD after brandishing a gun in public and talking incoherently and told police I'm a Navy SEAL But they didn't believe him and they locked him up in a psychiatric ward. And then the police did their own investigation, and they found out that he was a namesake so they let him go. And exactly at that time all of the messages and videos disappeared...and HE disappeared! Now he said he was searching for this thing called The Looking Glass now THAT DID EXIST it was an alleged

1:33:48 secret US government program. It allegedly existed and the idea was it was originally designed to be a portal opening mechanism for Stargate type time travel, and it was supposed to have the capacity to bend space in time so that it could view future events, so it could see events in their future to find out what's going and but it was going to be tested also for transportation applications recently two thousand four and then he was supposed to have been dismantled safety reasons now again who knows uh... that the great thing is i think that that short-shot mainly feel within being arrested um... she actually said in his place but he was already dead and he said i was killed in service in a parachute accident are not working in a fourth dimension on spirit

1:34:40 But he was saying that he was dead, but talking to everybody. And then I suppose you think well what's the Sean Day that was arrested and sent to a psychiatric unit? So was that a psy-op? To discredit the real Navy SEAL Sean who was actually dead in a spirit time traveler. It is really fascinating story. Yeah weird connection. Weird one yeah Another one that's about a guy who apparently met someone claiming to be a time traveler is this Ivan van Meegham? Yeah, yeah. Well I found this and he's apparently a UFO researcher and then he said you know sometimes you do meet strange people when you go to these conferences

1:35:22 He was giving a lecture in December 2000 about a Belgian UFO wave that had happened in the 80s. He was an archer in Germany at the time and he said, ìA man in his 40ís approached meîóand he was really athleticóìand he spoke English but he had an American accent and he came up to me and said, And he thought, well I don't remember you and he said, I don't know who you are. The man said to him, well I told you that I would meet you and come back through time and space again and give you the warning. And Ivan thought oh god it's another lunatic! But the man said, I'm not crazy can't you remember me?

1:36:01 And he said, I traveled to meet you before and I turned up in your basement when you were 15 but you were too scared of me. And Ivan knew that he had met this man and he never told anybody about it but he said he'd met this man in the basement but he was more like a ghost kind of entity green sort of mist that surrounded him, but at the time he was so scared he just ran upstairs. So this man carried on talking to him and said they're almost here, time is running out, they are communicating with Earth's government please tell the governments don't believe them they are evil, don't trust them I have escaped from the future and will maybe return one more time and you will need me then But for now heres a clue and the clue is 3390 remember it until then And then he left

1:36:46 I then said, well you know look. I'm a serious researcher alright? I haven't had UFO experiences but i am really serious about this field and don't want to risk my reputation by putting it out there and telling this story but then he was listening to a radio show and um...he heard that the topic was HAARP and didn't really know much about it back then He said, and the weird thing was that they described the hertz frequency that it's supposed to transmit on. And it turned out to be what is actually 3.39 megahertz which is 3390 kilohertz and I was exactly the same

1:37:23 code or clue that the man had given him 15 years ago. And there's a theory, isn't there? That hard is used for mind control and it uses as a weapon and modifying weapons and modifying the weather sorry so I don't know, strange story! That is wild the fact that it could possibly have a connection. We've been looking into frequency a lot more I think there's something there that ancient people knew about and Modern science is kind of quarantined, and they don't really study it yeah Yeah, it's funny actually because I've just started recently listening to binaural beats. Which is way off topic but um...I absolutely love the effect of listening to binural beats and there's- I'm fascinated by this because there's a frequency that has been discovered. I wish i'd made some notes about this but It's supposed to be the miracle tone

1:38:14 It's the sound in which the universe was created and you can listen to that tone on YouTube videos. And I tell you what, it has an amazing effect on you when you listen to it. It is astounding! That supposed to be the sound in which the universe was created from. You know, the Hertz frequency...it's just fantastic! Yeah, I think I've heard people give different numbers of that some people say it's 528 Hz? Yeah, there's a 482 and I think 523. I wish you could remember that but yeah it's the miracle tone apparently and it's supposed to be able to heal your DNA and I don't know about that but it definitely has...I mean there are some that can supposedly open up your third eye and things like that well I'm not going for that in case it does something and starts seeing things! But you know its amazing. I really do believe in the power of sound, certain music

1:39:07 I totally agree. A lot of people are starting to attribute some of these strange sightings to dimethyltryptamine in the brain, that it could be some type of chemically induced psychedelic dump in your brain that you weren't expecting and maybe it happens to people randomly, maybe it happens to people in certain situations but you could also say there's frequencies flying around and maybe they trigger the same type of experience. Maybe they trigger your ability to see into the other realm for a few minutes and then you see some crazy cryptid and your life changes Yeah, I haven't had DMT but in some ways it's quite tempting to want to try it because the things that people see you know...

1:39:51 Those are the things that supposed to be around all the time it's like I talked about it before on some shows is called atmospheric skype. We sound like ridiculous but if you capture them using infrared you can see them and they're these amorphous kind of huge thing for clouds and they can take form a UFO, but there actually living entities so their morphs fibrous entity but you cant see then we got physicists I think it's Dr. William Keller, I've done quite a bit of research in the books about scientists who back up some of the things that I say and they say we only use a tiny amount of the actual visible spectrum so if we don't see most of what is out there because we're not equipped to see it unless perhaps you use DMT or open your chakras and then you can see it but they are all around us but we don't have those abilities

1:40:46 Yeah, a lot of possibilities. I'd love to know exactly what it is! I've always been interested in portals and wormholes and time slips and in your time travel book you have a lot of great examples of those things but one story in your section Time Slip To A Future City Is one of the ones that's probably most interesting can you tell us about that? Yeah, there's lots and lots of stories about that happening actually. And in fact when I was talking about the Isle of Wight there are thousands of accounts of people going into the past particularly there but in terms of the future one now this is on Stephen Wagner site and it's quite interesting one because then story about a couple called Daisy and Rick they were traveling at night in their truck on a deserted highway in the middle of the night all around them were just cornfields and it was 2004

1:41:37 and they truck suddenly died. So, they thought we'll get out and walk to the nearest town and get a pay phone and call for help so they started off walking but it felt like they were walking for hours and their town didn't come into sight then they got up to a steep hill and as they walked up the hill they started seeing really glowing bright lights over the hill and if you go to the top of it They saw this futuristic city with lights in every window and huge metallic towers, and in the middle was a huge silver dome. And up above them in the sky were hundreds of hovercrafts. One flew over them at amazing speed and they were terrified and just ran back all their way to their truck but when it got back to the truck it started immediately.

1:42:20 And there's quite a few stories like that. Actually, a man wrote to me the one I was talking about earlier and he lives on the San Juan Islands which is just off the tip near Vancouver but it isn't in America but is close to Vancouver and he had this extraordinary tale to tell and he had gone out one day and he's quite spiritual and he'd been on his phone and he was walking around in front yard but it's all grass and he suddenly realized that he stepped inside what was called a fairy ring. So, it was a group of mushrooms in a circle and I don't understand what happened but I suddenly started feeling really dislocated.

1:43:03 the sounds were coming to me as if it was like I was out on a boat and then the mist has got there and it masks the sound. And he said, that felt so strange but I just made it back into my room and went to bed. I woke up the next morning and then uh... He said, I work on the island, I'm self-employed and I was thinking about renting a new office space. So I knew that there were probably some open lots at this place so I drove over to them but it's really disconcerting because when I got there there was this huge government pristine shiny building there and there were these people outside with automatic weapons. And I said, what's going on here? And they said no you need to go now and he left and then he went for a walk on the seafront at Friday Harbor and there is boat called The Sea Shepherd it's like environmental, you know, they save the whales and things like that conservationist

1:43:56 And he walked past it, but the lot was empty. And he thought that's odd I didn't know they'd gone and then you walk back again the next day or no sorry the next week and it was there again! And he went back to the industrial complex...and the building has gone But he had a tale to tell that involved the possibility of some kind of time well. There's a lot of people on that island, according to him who are ex-CIA, ex-Intel people and he was saying that there was some kind of time well that was masking what was actually there. this government building was there but it was being masked so you couldn't see it, but he had this unfortunate experience of kind of dislocating himself in this fairy ring and it set off his top temporal ability to see things. It's a very long story and so many strange things happen

1:44:47 I remember there was a hunter years ago in 1974 called Carl Higdon and he was at the Great Sand Dunes National Park in Colorado. He was in the newspapers at that time, elk hunting and thought he saw an elk to shoot so he pulled the trigger of his rifle and described how the bullet shot out in slow motion and fell into snow. He went to retrieve it but it was all mangled up but it hadn't shot anything. And it was later examined by a doctor, a metallurgy doctor who said that he hit something incredibly hard for it to have been mangled so much. Well anyway as the hunter went to pick it up he said that he became overcome with this strange sensation in his body and came face-to-face with this humanoid thing who was about six foot in a black jumpsuit and spoke to him saying if you eat this pill then you won't be hungry for four days!

1:45:38 I need to be transported to this place that had extremely cool building and the fun in the brightness so much for his eyes hurt. Then the next thing you need is back in the forest any plan off your hands when you return town and he went to sheriff and sheriff took him to hospital because he was in hysteria But in the hospital, he was found to have elevated levels of vitamins in his body. And it was testified that the scars on his lungs where he'd had an earlier bout of TB had disappeared and a professor of psychology at the University of Wyoming had investigated him said I firmly believe in this you know what's happened has happened but oh It's crazy Mm-hmm That is a weird one

1:46:21 So another subject that I was happy to see in your book is the idea of lost technology being buried or hidden throughout the world. Some researchers talk about it being the real subtext for military conflicts and occupations, kind of like that black goo we talked about? And there's two good examples of this possibility that you detailed one was totally new to me It's this Vermona craft in Afghanistan tell us about this supposed craft Yeah, well I think it was Stephen Quayle who broke this one. So when the troops...when the American troops first went into Afghanistan rumors began to circulate that there was a time travel craft that was found in a cave there which you know is this Fermanagh and the rumor was eight soldiers had gone in to retrieve it and they disappeared after going

1:47:13 A source came out, which I don't know about this one. But supposedly some Russian foreign intel service has put this report out saying that US troops had been decimated when they activated this time well that was inside the cave and the story was that this vermana was said to have been in a process of being moved so they got it out and were going to transport it back to America from Kabul. Now, an elite group of soldiers were in there guarding it and the time well which holds the Vimana was apparently supposedly suddenly activated by accident probably by moving it. And it caused this huge electromagnetic shockwave and killed everybody in midair. Now you can also say

1:48:00 possibly on a more realistic note, I don't know. But there was the fact that elite soldiers were shot down in a terrible crash in which Navy SEALs were killed and it's a terrible tragedy but the conspiracy around that story... So are these two different stories or is it the same one? The rumor about why those ones the Navy SEALs that were shot down is that they were the ones in Team 6, or some of the ones who went on a raid to kill Bin Laden and then everybody says he was already dead. So I don't know but the vermana itself comes from ancient Sanskrit, the epic, the Mahabharata and the vermana is supposed

1:48:46 kind of like a blazing wheel in the sky and it has shafts of light which they focus on the target and they consume it with its power. That was what was written There's reference in this text to these battle planes that they use sound to find their targets and they use the beams of light destroy everything they touch. And the time well that encases it is based on an electromagnetic radiation gravity field, and its supposed to be postulated later by Einstein as a unified field theory. The thing that was rumored behind the Philadelphia experiment

1:49:28 and it's supposed to be a perpetual power source. So yeah, the idea is that these are ancient sources of power that have been cloaked and hidden and they genuinely exist and that's the story—that they were retrieving it because a lot of this comes from that part of the Middle East doesn't it? This ancient technology in the ancient texts. Right! Yeah, that's where it would be I guess one the other example you have is the story about a stargate in the Baghdad Museum another another fascinating possibility What's the best evidence for this one? Well, um again so in 2003 It was alleged that The first thing the US troops did when they got there to Baghdad was go to the museum and secure it And take ancient artifacts from it. Now these artifacts are

1:50:16 were supposedly used by alien entities. So they got four levels down into the vaults and they used a secret safe zone, they got into them and they found these mysterious objects that they were looking for from the Dawn of Civilization so the idea is it wasn't WMD's that they were looking for, ancient things from them the time travel technological weapons. The story goes that the aliens warned the US government to hand it over and of course, Americans refused but then it led to destruction at Fort Worth Armory on 21st May 2011 so they had taken this Stargate

1:50:58 and they've taken it to Fort Worth. Now, it's quite interesting if you look on YouTube you can see many videos of this and its supposed to be a multiple UFO attack now other people say that it was just transformers that blew up but it is tremendous explosions but they're silent, there's no noise at all. So the idea is that they stole this Stargate and they took it back to America and put it in Fort Worth where there was a NASA complex and the ET species retaliated and blew up the Fort Worth armory using directed energy weapons

1:51:35 because it's a silent attack. Other people say, well actually it was a lightning storm or transformers but you know it's great to watch on YouTube put it that way and so Dr Michael Sulla who is a great researcher he's an Australian man and he was saying that it was the Stargate they found in Iraq and it was put there by the Anunnaki the gods of ancient Sumeria In his scenario, when Nibiru is closest to Earth the Anunnaki will take this opportunity to travel to Earth through the Stargate and set up their own encampment. So that was why they didn't want it taken from Iraq because they wanted to return to it but of course we went in there and it wasn't WMDs but we stole the Stargate back

1:52:19 And that's why Saddam Hussein had German archaeologists there around the time of the war, because they were trying to reverse engineer it. But that's how the story goes." Yeah I love those kind of stories! They're obviously more provocative than the stories of just going over there for oil and to kill dictators that we originally put in place anyway. It makes you wonder doesn't it? Wow, Steph. I mean, I just love these stories we covered a lot of ground here We kind of ran through them in a pretty rapid-fire fashion But I mean you got so many good stories in these books So many I hadn't heard before which is always a treat but I'd say we also left out way more than we included so anyone who wants more definitely check out steps books and And maybe we should tell people where to get them and clarify that you write these under a pen name as well right?

1:53:11 Yeah, I do. So on Amazon they're called Stephen Young so i write under a pen name which is Stephen Young and they are on Amazon. All great about a dozen there covering subjects that we didn't even get into like real demon encounters in haunted places very good stuff all kindle all pretty reasonably priced too Very awesome. Well Steph, it has been a blast I love these kind of shows A series of strange stories to tell around the digital campfire and uh...I really appreciate you being here So take care yourself and keep up the great work alright? Thank you so much Greg It's been such pleasure thank you You got it have a good one out there! You too

1:53:54 Rock me like a hurricane, Hireside Chatters. Mmm! I hope you liked that show It's nice to hear female voice once in awhile and Steph definitely had great recall for her work I don't think any of her ebooks are over five bucks And they're great if you have a 20-hour layover in Moscow like I just did I did want to say A little more about the Armenia trip I did talk to Graham about doing THC and I think we're gonna be setting something up for early November right before he does Joe Rogan And that should be a great time. I did get some awesome footage and information about these sites, we saw a pyramid that had been buried petroglyphs are thought to be 12 thousand years old visited Karahunge which is largely thought to be the world's first observatory sort of like a Stonehenge type place with perfect drill holes that frame Sirius and Orion at key points in the year pretty amazing place

1:54:43 Think of it as a calendar that works like a cosmic sundial. Another place Vartanots was known as an ancient ritual space and I climbed down into a sacrificial pit, who knows how many people have been burned there? And when we were checking out an excavation site I found a human jaw that still had teeth in it probably my first time touching parts of a dead human...and one that might be several thousand years old no less so interesting stuff! I will be putting the footage up when I can I still have some catching up to do, two more shows to get done before we close out the month. I have two more on books and then start working on the Armania stuff that will be available in the Plus site. Speaking of Plus you know your signups make my world go round but it's also just twice as much show for you! The last show with Richard Cassaro was pretty good too. Hope everyone heard that show and also before that one I did one with Crowe and James Alfred

1:55:35 A two guest show doesn't happen all that often and that was also a personal favorite. And also I think Richard Merrick right before that was on another level The Venus Blueprint, the psychedelic component to the past... compelling stuff! Of course today what did Steph and I talk about in the second hour after pretty solid first? Well we talked about places that compel people to commit suicide and the possible quartz connection. We talked a lot about the Black Goo conspiracy, I've been hearing this more and more but Steph has written about it. This seemingly sentient alien puddle of goo that The Black Project stumbled upon apparently

1:56:12 We also talked about several great cases of possible time travel from her book on the subject, of course John Titor. But also Sean Day and a time slip to a futuristic city Sound & Frequency The Time Travel Craft Of Afghanistan And several other great stories Just go to thehiresidechatsplus.com, sign up for the $5 a month, read the FAQ page for best apps and listening methods for your devices and enjoy that extra hour of weird, sometimes educational, always out there interviews with the best guests in the alternative world! That's my pitch. Speaking of John Titor... I did have somebody email me

1:56:51 Couple months back. I posted this on the plus forums that didn't know where to put it but somebody contacted me and they said that they believed without a shadow of a doubt That their father was John Titor They never knew their father, their mother always kept it a bit of a secret and through his own research and digging He concluded it was John Titor. He asked me if I wanted to hear the full story, he was reluctant to share...I said yes i did and never heard from him again so I don't know what was up with that but since we talked about John Titor today I figured I'd mention it

1:57:29 Anyway, you are all awesome. Let me know if anyone has any further problems with the feed but 10 hours of tech support and $900 later I think we're over the worst of it and it shouldn't happen again." I was sorry to see so many people lose faith in me so fast You know It's a little disheartening And I know that's obviously not the majority is just the loudest voices in the room But you know We've been doing this show for almost five years and I don't think I've ever steered anybody wrong yet and to get three or four dozen people jumping to the conclusion That this is all part of an elaborate ruse on my part, or that I quit the show. Or that by me going on Jericho I'd lost all credibility...I heard a lot of crazy stuff these past two weeks!

1:58:11 But I hope the greater majority understand that i got no tricks up my sleeve. Im just doing my thing and I promise you, I wouldnt ever undermine your intelligence with a money making scheme or any kind of marketing stunt or try to drum up some drama by publicizing A minor cyber attack. You won't hear me screaming from the rafters about Doom and Gloom, all these things that have really poisoned the well for conspiracy shows and alternative hosts Everyone says they're different everyone ends up being the same I totally get it It's why I started this show but i'm trying to be the exception to the rule I have full control over the project

1:58:52 I'm pretty sure as long as i'm alive, I'll be doing five shows a month. As long as people are listening and you'll never see me get sponsors ever You know? I've been asked by three or four big podcast advertisers since the Jericho show if I'd be interested And I will not do it THC plus is doing just fine. I think it's the most fair I think it creates the best show and those who scoff at the model well Just remember you are not hearing about nature box or legal zoom Or audible dot com for 10 minutes every show and consider that worth something. I am in this for the long haul, just trying to be open honest and focus on the guest which is what i think's important and have a good time doing it

1:59:35 Boom. So that's it from me today, the triumphant return two more shows coming at you in the next eight days and I'll see you then Your move underground overlords interfering entities and skinwalkers of The Secret Order? Your fricking move Now here is another THC twisted cover by my man Nick Tetrult Peace! I got a new life You would hardly recognize me I'm so glad now im amazing I don't care about Why do I bother when you're not in the club with me? I saw the sign and it fell in my eyes, I saw the sign Life is deemed misunderstanding! I saw the sign in my eyes, I saw the sign Three maces gonna bring you up Get you into the line where you belong

2:00:40 Under the pale moon, these rituals will make you who you are. Person like you made joy when I get a lot of scars. DINAPIA! I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes. I saw the sign, life is in their understanding. And it opened up my eyes, I saw the sign This reason's gonna bring you up Catching waves in a line where you belong I saw the sign It opened up my eyes and I am happy now

2:01:42 I have left you, I saw the sign And it opened up my eyes, I saw the sign Three minutes is gonna drag you out Guess we'll wait till our life and then you are I saw the sign I saw the sign. And in the wind of my eyes, I saw the sign!