Shamangineer | Water Alchemy, Fringe Science, & Viktor Schauberger

00:05 Puppet masters almost surely have a clearly maybe something there and until you've thoroughly tested every last course just to think you know the less you really do. That's true, Dr. Seuss! Edward without TNT, clear by and to us just on with our TNT The higher side chat show of wood company

00:44 Alright, Hiresight Chatters. As we explore the world around us it's seeming more and more like the realms of science are not reflecting to us the culmination of human knowledge and unbiased progress but rather a carefully crafted paradigm in which the lab coat clad quarantiners have roped off areas that interfere with the profits of their monopolistic paymasters, and the Capstone Cabal has made sure to strategically structure their fancy educational institutions to leave any information that might lead to opening these doors scattered across the cutting room floor. But there are plenty of rabbit holes full of erased history, dismissed discoveries and destroyed scientists to look at for all those curious enough to take the journey. And that's what we're doing here today specifically in the realm of that mysterious magical and essential element water as many of you know or methodically working through a series of chats that revolve around alchemy and the elements with plus member and wise sage Shaman Janir

01:39 So far we've knocked out two previous shows. First, we started with the Air episode where we talked about Aether Theory that wild little substance called Ormus and the mysterious airships of the Sonora Aeroclub And then we followed that up with the Earth episode where we talked about the advanced permaculture practices of Native Americans engineered abundance enriching the soil through strange means and the power of the biochar process And today we're tackling the realm of water alchemy, talking about some of its under-the-radar qualities and exploring the work of brilliant minds that they don't want you to know about. Back in the saddle for another wild ride my friend and yours The Shaman Jinneer Welcome back man As always, an excellent introduction.

02:34 covers the majority of the planet, makes up the majority of our bodies and could be fine-tuned to produce effects that seem damn near magical. So this should be a lot of fun! How would you like to set the stage? Where do you think we should start Intro To Water Alchemy 101 Well, let's just start with what people know about water since it's you know you drink it every day. You bathe in it It falls from the sky So everybody is familiar with it. You can't escape if you want to its essential to life so Most people know that it has a chemical composition H2O, ice floats. Basically what we've talked about up to this point and then it's used for heating and cooling. And that's about it most people they're like okay well that's great that's water. Yeah well more do I need to know? What more do I need to know you know they just take this kind of

03:30 It's in a beaker and it has certain spectrum and that's about it. You know, just standard stuff right? It's a liquid but when you get into even just the fact that ice floats is a special thing When you think about solids liquids gases there's a scale of density that is the same with most other materials, but when it comes to water why does a solid float on the liquid? That's not normal. Now is that because it has air bubbles in it perhaps? It has to do with the way that the water gets structured as it approaches that 4°C anomaly point was what they call it so at four degrees Celsius is the densest water becomes

04:20 Basically either side of that getting colder getting hotter it becomes less stats. Now we're gonna get into that a little later but from what professor pollack is saying that's due to, i different structure right now and if you able to be in a more dense conglomeration of the apps Yeah, the Gerald Pollack stuff is probably my favorite of anything you sent because it's just so interesting to think that there could be a fourth phase of water other than liquid solid gas other than the ones we think. Yeah well I mean i can't remember exactly when that goes back too but maybe in the 1800s or something like that somebody postulated that there was a fourth phase of water

05:06 And there was also the poly water stuff that came up in the 1960s where they thought they found another kind of water. But then it ended up being dismissed because they said, oh well you know these huge changes in the properties of the water that we're seeing That's due to contamination and its like wait if your saying huge changes in the properties of water due to a little contamination that you couldn't even detect initially Isn't that in and of itself interesting? Right, right. It just seems like that was another excuse That was the swamp gas of its time a reason to dismiss Something that seemed really interesting that might have opened up other areas of science that they're like you don't need to look there There's nothing important here it was just some contamination yeah but

05:55 If you think about just homeopathy on the face of it that speaks to me up at the having. The possibility for making changes in the way that waters properties are manifested by very small amounts of things even if it gets to the point where there should be a molecule and there's something going on there Right and that was one of the big things that was an eye-opener with this stuff is because homeopathy is one of those areas that I have sort of come to dismiss as pseudoscience, as some new agey bullshit because I've just been convinced by the mainstream but now revisiting it.

06:35 it seems like maybe there is something to it because you shared a lot with me about DNA and water memory, and how it can actually keep memory to a degree. And so maybe it's something more than just dilution because I think a lot of people think of homeopathy and why they can dismiss it as because it's just dilution. It's just mixing it with water and then selling more. You could see the capitalistic reasons why someone would do that. So that's partly why I've dismissed it but I guess there's something to water that actually might enhance that or magnify it, or in some way keep it working. So if you look at the basic structure of water It's what they call a polar molecule

07:16 So that means that it has a side with the more positive charge in a more negative charge Which means you can get these things kind of linking up, you know Like those little monkeys in a barrel that she had as a kid You could have them kind of making different structures and hanging off of each other and kind of 3D conglomerations of water molecules in the bulk of the water and from some research that was done by Luc Montagnier. He found that just using electromagnetic signals, they were able to cause water to reconstitute

08:00 DNA when given the correct enzyme to restructure the DNA. So, the information was actually in the water. So there's a structure that is able to be built up by... and his hypothesis is that it's due to these structures in the water acting as resonant cavities and kind of entraining these electromagnetic signals into the water structure itself Right. And just to give people a little bit of context, you shared with me a documentary that's about this research and in it I guess it's Luke's predecessor but he deludes DNA to the point of saying that it would be one drop in the Atlantic Ocean and then they brought back

08:45 the whole DNA strand or all the information just from the little pieces that would be in that water. Not even, not even that it's even more cool than that. Okay? So what they do is say they have this sample of somebody with cancer or anyway no its HIV its somebody with HIV because thats what he got his Nobel prize for his discovery of HIV and then Basically what happens is they dilute that to a certain point. And I think he has the limit for what he found where they would still get a signal and it's less than, less than a lot of the homeopaths are using so that might be part of the reason why some remedies don't work the way they're supposed to or something like that because he basically found the limit to where the information was still encoded but it was still that kind of dilution that you're talking about which is massive

09:43 So basically what he did was he took that water where it shouldn't have a single molecule left. He put that on essentially microphone going to the computer, the computer recorded a wave file they were just using the pickup coil to pick up the electromagnetic signals are coming out of the water and then What they did was they sent that recording file like you got right now recording my voice and i sent that across the world to italy from france and then in italy, they put a sample of water just. No water that hadn't had any contact at all with the previous water that was in france. And then they put that inside of us so annoyed coil essentially just a quail wrapped around the water beaker

10:36 And then they played back that file. And then what they did was, they took that water that had that information encoded in it and put in the enzyme that would be able to reconstitute DNA and then THAT is where the DNA came back and were able to confirm that it was 98% identical to the sample from Paris. that's what they showed in that documentary. So, that is a big deal being able to transmit information and reconstitute a DNA pattern on the opposite side—that's a big deal. Through water? And so what would like implications of that be or what would be practical applications for it? Well right now I'm not exactly sure with the practical implications would be but in theory its kind of like an aqueous

11:29 Transporter from star trek it shows that information can reconstitute life. In a separate area so in theory its kinda like the first steps towards something like that potentially Huh. So how, I mean you know just wild speculation would that be helpful for someone who wanted to make a directed panspermia argument that something landed here and unpacked itself on a planet that's largely made of water? Well as we start to get into some of the other research i would say that it tends to lend to the fact that

12:10 there isn't anything that's really that magical about water creating life. So you kind of need the amino acids, which they've shown in those conditions of primordial Earth that those building blocks of life were there and then you need some sort of energy to get it self-organized and that's what we're talking about is a self organizational property of this. We're just talking about a coil around a beaker of water causing DNA to reconstitute! That's a big deal, you know? And there is obviously the establishment that said oh this can't be true blah blah blah and so he is basically out of Paris now in China So he's doing his stuff in China but they are doing a lot of this Qi

13:08 Energy kind of stuff. So it's a part of their culture to them. It's like yeah, whatever Yeah It's not as big of a deal is this for us Westerners? Right and you mentioned James Randi someone that a lot of people would know is a famous skeptic It was a different scientist the guy named Jacques Benveniste Benveniste and You know, Randy helped destroy that guy's career in the realm of water memory by moving the goalpost repeatedly. They'd have it work and then he would be like oh well I don't like this part of the experiment you should tweak that and they just tweaked it moved the goal post until it didn't work and they said ah see? It was just some bullshit this guy is working on. And because people respect Randy for some reason...I mean you can dismiss all these realms

13:58 Yeah, so I mean that's the sort of stuff that happens. Where with another form of research that would be more conventionally recognized they would just confirm it but with this what they love to say is extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence but no! I say extraordinary claims require the same damn evidence everybody else can apply you don't have to change markers as you go along and thats why this stuff a lot of times gets dismissed because of stuff like this. Yeah, man and maybe we should go into the Gerald Pollack stuff a little more because people probably aren't that familiar at all but he talks about EZ Water the exclusion zone what about his work is so fascinating? So his work is so fascinating because it's something where you can see it at a macro scale like you can see the exclusion zone through

14:56 a very low-powered microscope, something that you could find in pretty much any lab. And you can see this zone build up and so he's been kind of interrogating this effect and basically what it is if you put a barrier or boundary in water and it tends to repel water its hydrophobic like Teflon or something like that and a lot of proteins are hydrophobic then what you'll see is this easy zone buildup, what he calls the easy zone. And basically what it is these sheets of water that are in a different molecular configuration and basically it's these hexagonal sheets of water that are in a different molecular structure and they're able to stack much more closely than the ice

15:50 And so when you're at this 4°C anomaly point, you get the densest stacking of these sheets. Then as they start to organize into ice then they start to build up more volume and actually create the ice crystal Yeah, and he talks about this fourth phase of water being a gel-like phase that I guess is just barely noticeable or it's just on the surface of the water. He explains that Jesus lizard that everybody has seen running across water... The common explanation is oh well that's just surface tension but he says the math does not work for it to be surface tension there has to be something else going on and his hypothesis is

16:41 Fourth phase of water this gel like phase that would be I guess very thinly laid out across the surface of the water Yeah, he's found that it's affected by light It'll build up more layers in life and actually infrared light is the one that affects the most but in also I mean What do they call that lizard right? Yeah, the Jesus lizard. Oh the Jesus lizard. So, you know it also has ramifications with respect to someone like Jesus who is supposed to be able to walk on water and there's other accounts of similar things happening but what if it's due to a field effect creating a much larger easy water sheep with a much higher strength than somebody could actually walk on water? So he was just a magician

17:34 Well, I mean you're talking about getting into the fields that create quantum effects and things like that when you're talking about this stuff. You're talking about what goes on behind the scenes of quantum physics into the ether. Yeah, I did think that was so fascinating too that he talks about the relationship between water and sunlight in that Those two elements, they play off each other in a lot of interesting ways that we just don't consider and that you could basically make a really good battery using just water and sunlight in the right configurations. He talks about basically a form of what

18:14 I guess would be described as water photosynthesis, that maybe that even plays on our bodies. Because what is in our environment more than sunlight and water? And for these things to have interactions that we don't really get that deep into...I mean, that's a fascinating and provocative area! Yeah, definitely Definitely and you know you can get into like sun gazing and things like that Potentially I mean that's kind of its own whole thing. But right but maybe there is a mechanism there I laugh I think that is the goofiest thing to the Sun gazing thing in the breath Arians And people who just think I don't need to eat. I'm just gonna stand in the Sun or look at the Sun There's that documentary Eat The Sun? That's about that but

18:58 I mean, shit. Maybe there is some kind of mechanism there, some type of water-based photosynthesis your body is mainly water? So why not? He mentions that saunas are so great for people and we don't really know exactly why and that this might be the mechanism it's not light but its heat Heat and it makes you sweat And... There's just apparently something in there Well, it is light. It's just in the non-visible spectrum. Fair enough! Light is... you know x-rays are light. Radiation is light, you know? Yeah

19:34 It's pretty compelling and then kind of in line with that Jesus lizard thing or someone walking on water are there being a gel like structure he shows he puts two beakers of water next to each other with water right up to the brim. And I guess he charges that he charges it with electrons and then he pulls the beakers apart, and the water makes a bridge. And that's so nuts because you would think that water as a liquid just would fill its container or has flat earthers say it works to level itself out but yet here we have a bridge made only of water is not supported by anything. It's just charged water and he pulls it apart as far as four centimeters and think about a four centimeter line that is just

20:21 a water bridge, that's impressive. You gotta think there are some kind of implications for that somewhere further to take that? Well I mean he is basically building up these layers in the tube and it is kinda like forming a pipe of water made out from these sheets so it would actually be very similar configuration to something like carbon nanotube when you think about you know, there's strength there. There is strength in that configuration and these hexagonal sheets, hexagons are used in bee colonies and stuff like that so it's a very strong structure

21:00 It's just like, man considering the fact that so many people think that big pharma and the medical community has pretty much got it all on lock and got everything figured out. Here is this fundamental process or relationship between two things that are very huge in our lives and is just not talked about I guess people wouldn't think that it would even be that important or whatever but clearly seems to be Yeah, well I mean the thing is that when you're talking about water structure this is just one of the water structures but I think it's the most important because what further researchers have said in a form of Victor Schauberger because he had a big focus on the anomaly point and if this is the structure that goes into at that point then thats what he was talking about there. But if there are other structures that are able to be formed

21:53 You know it's kinda like when we thought the atom was just an atom. And then, and then... We start to get into smashing them together and you see all these other things just starting to pop out It's kind of like that where it opens up this whole different realm of what water can be at its fundamental properties. I mean, there's steam tables out there that they've known about since the 1800s that give you all these phase change of water under these conditions and blah blah blah but there is stuff like that it just goes out so many different dimensions at that point when you start to talk about the different ways that water can structure during this phase changes and stuff It's boggling! It's boggling really

22:39 I mean, you saw that website. I sent you where there's this European? I mean this English researcher and he's listing all of these different structures of water that have been found in Microbiology and things like that It's just page after page after page of different structures that water can form in You know so it's really remarkable And I think is Especially once we get into the cavitation stuff and how that works I mean, that's just huge huge for being able to transform world right? Yeah the cavitation stuff. I mean let's explain that two people because basically it culminates in the idea of a Universal 3d printer right? I mean the idea to manipulate all the elements

23:27 and if you can do that in a machine, you can 3D print anything. You don't have to just use that resin material that the machines today use? Well yeah potentially I mean obviously this is just a concept but there's a guy Mark LeClair at NanoSpire Incorporated he's been working on cavitation for years at this point and what he's found is During normal boiling you get a bubble, right? And that's full of steam and it just expands and contracts. Once it releases the steam to the air or collapses as it gives off heat to the water but what he started to get into was looking at a pump

24:17 Where you get cavitation bubbles in there and it's not really steam at that point. It's a more rarefied vapor than you find in the steam bubble from boiling, and what happens is as this bubble collapses on itself there's this spike of the water that starts to form as it goes in basically like a donut where the spike is going through the hole in the doughnut And it turns into this twisting spire. That's what he calls a nano-spire, and it has the shape of a double helix like DNA. And as his spire is coming down I mean it is extremely, extremely rigid. It's...I think you said it was like 12 times more rigid than tungsten or something along those lines

25:10 then it has this charge to it where the crystal as its forming, it's developing these charges and if you have something that basically attracts this positive head of the Collapsing bubble then it'll shoot off and he was able to get it up to about half speed of light a mini UFO And we can get more into that, but basically what he was calling them as mini supernova explosions is this spire of crystal and water. It's harder than diamond you know is just drilling into whatever this bubbles collapsing into what he calls a substrate You know? We have to have this bubble within three bubble diameters of the wall and then at that point it'll just as its collapsing it will get attracted to it and it'll just start to drill into it But if you have something

26:07 where there's a charge that'll attract that positive head, then it will start to shoot off. And that's where he gets these effects and so that's what he does in his reaction chambers. He has a charged plate where all of these little spires are shooting off towards it and digging trenches into it and the trenches you find all these transmuted elements. There's other researchers who've done similar things with just a plate And this is outside of water but it's a similar fact what he's doing is there's a play to ceramic or glass or some sort of dielectric and he's got a little finger. And he shooting out with the calls

26:52 I think it's electric thallium clusters or something like that. And he calls them EVs, but what they are their charges... Now this isn't in water this is just a charge of electrons but they're all clustered together and they will do similar tunneling and they'll give similar effects where you see all these elements strung out across the entire periodic table in these impacts And so it's not just a property of water, it's the property of space and matter. Being able to get these high energy impulses that go down into it you're able to start transmute the elements at a point So whether its these little charged clusters of electrons

27:37 shot out of a metal tip or if they're just due to cavitation, there's two mechanisms right there where you could potentially build some sort of 3D printer that the substrate is just built up into the material you want as you go along. And you can control it by controlling the velocity of the impact of this spire in In the case of the electrons, it would be the energy potential that strikes in either case. And then you're just programming what kind of material you want to build up there so you can build up mixtures of metals that are all interwoven together and you could have 3D channels never after cut out they're all just embedded in it

28:19 or porosity you can make. I mean, just like anything you can do with a 3D printer but out of different materials and on a nano scale Man, like obviously the metals have that has huge implications. I mean you could get into organite and perfecting that and all kinds of weird stuff there But you could basically ultimately 3D print a full aquarium filled with water right? I mean you can make the outside structure You can make the gravel at the bottom And then you can have it fill with water as it goes Potentially...I mean but Obviously this is just a concept but yeah, you could do stuff like

28:58 I love it, man. And in terms of the potential for an engine from LeClaire's work... Is there a way to harness that energy into a pilotable engine as far as you can tell? A pilot-able craft? Well so that's where we get into Maury B King and his talk about hydrogen plasmas using brown gas generators in internal combustion engines as a bridge technology into a free energy economy so what he proposes is you know being able to use these brown gas generators to create a hydrogen that once it gets introduced the engine your able to turn into a plasma and then that is actually what is

29:50 driving the engine and you know this is been out for years but he talks about how. All of this happens there's a self organization of the plasma due to these effects where plasmas are able to organize that goes back to nobo price from seventies, here i go and i think was the one who discovered that it makes it so that you know something where its modifiable under what we already have So you don't have to go out and buy a two hundred thousand dollar new machine. You can modify what you have, but the big barrier to this is just getting people to realize that it's possible and getting it so that it can't be shut down by these people who want to keep these things out of the public eye right there needs to be some threshold where

30:42 The knowledge that this is possible reaches out to enough people and it becomes something we're like, we know it's there. We know what's available. Let us have it stop blocking yet because they've had this stuff for years I mean all victor shower burgers were kind of like Tesla at all just got gobbled up and somewhere in somebody probably doing something with it but we don't have access to it. It all gets gobbled up and we need to demand access to this information again, and keep building it up on our own as well, as long as we can. Right? And we need to get more into Victor Schwabberger's work. He seems kind of like the Wilhelm Reich of water. Yeah! Probably the most fascinating scientist in this water realm. Walk us through a little bit about his background and kinda progression of his discoveries

31:37 So, Viktor Schauberger was born in 1885 in Austria and he did not want to go to university because his brothers went to university. He saw the effect that it had on their thinking and so he decided that he wanted a career in forestry And by doing that he became caretaker for a lot of unspoiled alpine forests And while he was doing that, he observed quite a few interesting things in these forests that were kind of holdover of the medieval forest that was still around at the end of the 19th century. Whereas a lot of European forest had been for generations been overworked by the Europeans but these were basically royal lands that had been set aside and not used

32:29 So I'd like to read a little section of Alec Bartholomew's Hidden Nature. Perfect! Startling Insights of Victor Schauberger, where he talks about some of the things that he observed when he was in the forests. This section is called The Water Wizard. Water was always Victor's fascination One day accompanied by his foresters He came to remote upland plateau Where there was a legendary spring That emerged from a dilapidated dome-like structure Schauberger ordered it to be pulled down for safety reasons. One of the older foresters warned him that if the structure were removed, the spring would dry up. Taking note of the old forester's advice and as a verifying experiment, Schauberger requested that the structure be carefully dismantled with each stone and its place marked."

33:15 When Victor passed again and two weeks later he noticed the spring had indeed dried up due to exposure of the sun's rays. Immediately, he ordered the structure to be carefully rebuilt and a few days later the spring began flow again This taught him that water liked to flow in cool darkness. Victor's abiding interest was discovering how to generate energy using nature zone methods, he worked out how a trout is able to screw its way up a waterfall by hitching a ride on strong levitative currents Using this principle the first generator he developed was called the Trout Turbine To perfect this, he needed more precise information on how a trout is able to stand motionless in fast-moving current and indeed how it suddenly accelerates upstream. The trout is holding its station midstream where the water's coldest densest and has most potential energy. Victor studied the gills of the fish found what we thought were wave

34:09 guides which would direct the water into a powerful backwards vortex current. The shiny scales minimize friction in the water and they also create scores more little vortices that amplify the upstream countercurrent, particularly towards the tail which cancel out pressure on the fish's snout The zone of negative thrust is created along the whole trout's body so it stays in the same place. These counter currents can be increased by flicks of oxygen deficient water expelled from the body, this combining with free oxygen in the water causes the water body to expand with the effect that fish similar to squeezing a bar of wet soap in your hands." Another experience that Victor often quoted as significant for his growth and understanding occurred when he had us shot

34:53 a chamois buck on a frosty night under stream where he stood. Some green logs were bobbing up on the surface and sinking to the bottom as though they were dancing, and not only that there was a large stone that seemed to have no uneven or ragged edges on it and it began to float in this way. Schauberger developed his ideas different forms of motion and shapes from these observations having seen how water could carry its greatest load on a cold clear night He made practical use of this observation. During the winter of 1918, the town of Linz was suffering a severe shortage of fuel as a result of the war when draft animals had been commandeered. There was a small stream that ran through narrow gorges which was considered unsuitable for transporting logs but he wanted to try out his ideas using this stream. His offer to help

35:44 Being accepted by the authorities, he described how he proceeded. I observed that the increased water level after the thaw takes place in early hours of morning when it is coldest particularly at full moon although volume of water is apparently less due to its compression on cooling It had more energy that enabled it to carry more sediment, gouging out deposits of sand and concluded that in these conditions it would be able to carry a greater weight of logs. This was the principle that enabled him to turn upside down the current theories of hydraulics and particularly the methods of river and flood management." So basically during this period

36:22 Schauberger was building up his observations in an unspoiled wilderness where there were a lot of these etheric and energetic effects that you don't see in more dilapidated wildernesses. So, like one of the things he saw was this trout and it was kind of like cartwheeling in the air as it went up a waterfall but it wasn't...it wasn't like it jumped It was just dancing in the air and it's going up over a waterfall. It's riding these levitational currents, I mean this is stuff that you just don't see today. Right but its right there in nature apparently! Evidently it was at some point but ya know I think a lot of our waterways are so damaged at this point that we don't see these effects nearly as much.

37:13 And you mentioned in that paragraph that you read, water would be able to carry more on a cold dark night was one of his observations. Doesn't that counteract what we were saying about the Jesus lizard? I mean doesn't that fourth phase or gel phase isn't it light would help that? Well so the thing is that yeah the light helps it that's the moon oh fair enough And when it's coldest, so that's basically trying to get it to that anomaly point where the water is coldest. I mean, it's not where its waters coldest but it's at density points you're getting all these sheets built up and if you think about like riding around on ice skates those sheets are very slippery So you'd have this slippery gel that all these logs are bobbing around on

38:11 It is crazy. In the documentary you sent me, you can see video like old black and white video of the logs going down these chutes that he made and it does seem quite fascinating that we'd have footage of that and then still not use it in practice. the way that he used these shoots it was used for many years in europe and the way he kept the water at that temperature was by, he kept pulling off of the stream at certain points when the water started to heat up and kept it covered during transport and stuff like that I believe if I'm not mistaken. Well it was that documentary where he talks about

38:51 saying that we only have half a water cycle. In school you're taught, oh you know the sun hits the water, the water evaporates goes into clouds and rains down and that's the water cycle but actually that's only one side of the coin that there's actually a whole nother component that light component We were talking about and it's actually necessary for the water to be basically in good health, quote unquote. And when you deforest an area the forest actually helps regulate the light I guess to a degree and when it doesn't have that forest the river isn't as healthy as it could be otherwise is that right? Basically so it has to do with for one The shade helps to keep the water from evaporating It also helps to keep it from being exposed to the sun too much which deals with

39:40 So there's, you know light can help it but if you get too much light and start to heat it up too much then your breaking down that structurizing effect. You have to keep at a cool temperature close to 4 degrees C as possible from what Victor Schauberger says What was the other point you were asking about? Oh, just the other half of that water cycle. Yeah yeah so the other thing is that's talking about surface water and air water but then there's earthwater There's a water that soaks into the earth from streams There's water that soaks into the earthing and then gets pulled up by the trees And so when you remove those trees You actually lower the water table and you reduce the amount of water That's available to the roots of plants

40:27 Because those trees help to basically raise the water table as their roots draw on the water So there's that effect as well. And also the ground temperature, the higher the ground temperature, the lower water table is going to be less vegetation means higher ground temperature things like that so right and that's so interesting. So I guess to give people a little bit of visualization or make this easier we think of the water cycle as you know this loop where the water goes from its puddle up into the sky. And maybe we should think of it more as a figure eight, where it goes up into the sky but then it comes down to its puddle and then goes down into the earth and has a filtration process or some type of process and then would come back up to the surface and go back... Maybe we should think of it more as a figure eight rather than one cycle that ends at the water puddle if you're going to talk about a lake or stream or river whatever

41:23 Well, trees are critical like that spring that was covered by that old shack. Once that shack was gone, that spring dried up and you see the same thing with trees and springs on mountains if you get rid of the trees... I mean, that structure had nothing to do with roots or anything like that. That structure was just keeping the sun off a bit but that wasn't enough It really speaks to the interconnectedness of everything, not only nature but of course structures that we build. Everything is so integrated that one change you don't even think about the implications of that and especially when you look at the deforestation we've done, the changes we've made in the environment I mean we've trashed it and its more than just what you can see because we don't even understand these mechanisms that are basically in ruin at this point

42:16 Yeah, and I think if we're going to have any chance of being able to make it past the next 100 years or so. We're gonna have to come to terms with trying... because we haven't tried to take care of the planet for the last few hundred years, really. I mean we've just basically been looking at it as a big sink where we can dump wherever we want and be like Mother Nature will take one for the team! But we really need to start getting back to looking at ourselves as stewards of the land

42:57 There's kind of this baby boomer mindset of, I'm coming along. I'm going to take whatever I want and that's it. It was just like we need to get past that big time. It's just gobbling everything up making everything disposable saying well, I'll get mine and whatever. That's not going to work. This is not gonna work going forward. We're destroying the earth to the point where we can't survive And the earth cancer but i mean it will keep going even if its just limping along for a few million years and starts to chug again. Is ecosystem rebuild themselves but you know we're gonna be around me to really make some big changes

43:41 and the way we think about our interaction with nature. The documentary said it almost makes it seem conscious to a degree. It's so interesting and then I guess this guy Gorber is now making rock shoots in the river he's basically putting big boulders in the river, to try to carry on Victor's work and amplify the effects of rivers some of the things that we might have destroyed and he talks about creating

44:22 separate ecosystems because certain animals, certain fish require a certain water pressure and water flow to thrive in. And you can actually make levels in the same river artificially using these natural principles and it really just speaks to engineering abundance is just so damn cool. Yeah. So basically what he was doing was key Rather than building a concrete enclosure for the water to hit up against and just keep it contained, sort of strategy. It's about rather than doing that

45:00 You allow the water to be where it wants to be but you just help guide it so that doesn't get out of control. You put these boulders in place to help guide the central portion of the river and keep it from drifting too far one way or another, the actual heavy flow And then you make these smaller zones where it's not as turbulent. Fish can hide there under the rocks and stuff like that, and it gives these little pockets of areas where the fish can hang out and poke around and not have to be in the full flow of the river and stuff like that so...

45:38 But basically the idea behind that is that you can let the river meander, but you would keep it in one set meandering. You wouldn't let it keep changing over the seasons and stuff like that. Now, that's good in terms of us being able to live with natural rivers, but in terms of land, still that meandering of the river letting it wander around had a big effect on the soil as well as well. So, you know we're still kind of letting nature do its thing to a degree but you obviously can't have a river decide it's going through your backyard every other year or something like that It's just there are some constraints that we have to make in order to keep our society functioning and moving forward We can't just say okay were just gonna tear everything down But we have to realize maybe we've done too much in some areas

46:32 Right. And maybe there's things we can learn to work synergistically rather than just trying to beat back nature the way we do in such a primitive way with big concrete dams and all all the stupid stuff we do. And I guess that documentary is called The Secrets of Water, if anybody wants to find it on YouTube but even in there they talk about vortex generators and motors that could possibly power a house. Finally we have Elon Musk talking about his batteries that could power a house but here we have principles in nature just looking well things you can derive from observing nature apparently

47:12 And these mechanisms could do the same thing and probably a lot longer ago. Well, I mean Victor Schauberger was talking about this stuff in the 30s through the 50s the early part of the 50s when all this stuff got basically stolen by a Texas consortium with some German sounding names in it. So right, that's another element for sure! That's so interesting too the fact that right in that time period we've talked about other things that involve German nationalists operating in early America and here we have another possible thing where again it ties into the realm of sciences and suppression

47:53 Well, I mean there's also the fact that during the war he was conscripted by the Germans as well. During World War II he was working on the repulsing which there is probably aspects of the Coenga effect in it but also from what i understand there was ionization of air and so He was working on anti-gravity vehicles for the Germans and there's still models of these, they look like these little UFOs. For people who aren't familiar with the repulsing is basically a anti gravity engine yeah yeah and this is something that you know nobody denies yet you can find pictures of it apparently

48:36 they have lost or misplaced, or someone's hiding the working engines are Victor. Victor's last engine and the documentary goes into that a little bit that it's kind of a mysterious story of where it is. It popped up at a conference once there some photos of it, some elaborate photos of it popped up in a conference and then back I disappeared and who knows? But it somewhere just beneath the surface. Yeah You know, all this stuff it always seems to just kind of fizzle out into mystery doesn't it? It does. So... But yeah Victor Schauberger if we were just able to recreate his implosion chamber which was this egg-shaped vessel with cooling tubes and stuff like that and he was able to basically make clean water and make power And if you just had that

49:38 That's enough for most people to be able to do a decent job of making a living without being held over a barrel. If you have water and you have energy, then you can make food and you can make this and you can make that. And just having that base of something available that would alleviate some of the basics would go so far towards making the world a better place but like you said it gets gobbled up, disappears Yeah, it's a sad thing man. And on the subject of suppression with Victor Schauberger work in particular I guess this Poppel report is one thing that destroyed his credibility or a good chunk of it right? Well it should have actually boosted his credibility but the professor who worked on the test wanted to gloss over the most interesting findings which was that there at two velocities

50:35 in this pipe. So basically, this pipe was think of a regular pipe and then think of it having a spiral on the inside or veins on the inside to cause it go into a vortex like you'd see going down the drain of your toilet or down the drain of your bathtub for sake but at two different velocities during this test they found that the friction went down to zero or even below zero, which means if it has negative friction it's being pulled along. So that means that somehow just having an induced vortex in the water, if it reaches these specific velocities, it will tap into the zero point energy. It will be able to actually float along so you don't at that point as long as you're able to maintain that velocity

51:34 then you don't need pumps. If you order things correctly in the way that you have things flow through hydraulic systems, you can have things going places without any pumping going on and it just maintains the stable vortex as it flows along. Just by utilizing spirals in the plumbing basically? Yeah Huh. I mean, God there's just so much we don't know and you know when i recorded that episode with Dr Judy Wood about 9-11 and the idea of secret technology use towards the end of that it got a little weird where she started talking about tornadoes and basically vortexes in zero point energy and almost cavitation because there is a cavity in the middle of a vortex or

52:21 of a tornado and just how that could be used technologically. And maybe that's connected to some degree, but it seems like in that same realm of spiraling technologies that are shown to us in nature that we just don't harness properly for our own energy needs. So the way that it's described by Murray B. King is that when you have these vortex formations and in a vortex, you have a stable structure and you're able to get high flow velocities within itself contained unit and you're able by pulsing it quickly or you're able to tap into the zero point energy

53:04 And in these non-equilibrium sorts of formations that happen, start to tap into it when you disturb that structure. When you hit it really hard! Then you create these fluctuations in the background of space and ether and by being able to tap into that by separating the charges somehow You can get this energy out. You can put it towards all sorts uses heating, cooling, levitation you know gravitation all these different things that are results of the etheric vortex structure that underlies the atom itself. The atoms are not billiard balls little kind of moving around it's more like flows of ether that

53:56 comprising matter. Right, man and yeah because she was with the tornado thing she was talking about if you look at the aftermath of the wreckage of a tornado you can find some very strange clues like transmutated material or wood that's been embedded in steel and just that same kind of stuff like there's just weird things that happen weird effects on matter within certain vortexes just overlooked. I mean, it seems so fascinating that I want to look at more wreckage from tornadoes and see if I can find that kind of weird stuff but i guess people just think oh well it was moving at such a fast speed in that vortex I guess it just went right through but a lot of it kind of defies conventional logic I guess

54:42 Well, what you're doing is you're kind of like unzipping the atom. You know everybody knows that the atom is mostly empty space right? Yeah What's really holding this all together are these spins of these little what we call subatomic particles but what they really are these small forms of stable vortices or the ether and as you start to have this entrained ether that spinning, it starts to make all these other spinning things change how they're flowing and moving. And so then you can get atoms interweaving with other atoms as this stress in the ether is embedded across the area and so... You're getting into all this weird stuff like the Hutchinson effect and things like that, you know?

55:28 And you could go back to Project Rainbow and the whole, what was that ship that they had disappear and then reappear? Oh! The Philadelphia Experiment. Yeah, Philadelphia Experiment and all that stuff so... The Eldridge. Yeah I love it i guess this would be the kind of stuff that would comprise the scientific field of alchemy and transmutation of matter if that was on the table whatsoever Well, you do have transmutation of matter. It's just it's only allowed by fission and the certain... You know they constrain everything so tightly that this is the only place you can look for this anywhere else in it defies physics but really you can't hold observation to theory Observation has to lead theory

56:16 And we talked a little bit about this off the air, but it does get into that weird realm of our backwards nature to our sciences. Almost all the methods we use are opposite from nature—the implosion-explosion fusion versus fission integration versus degradation and I find that interesting because if shows about science being derived from dark forces episodes with guys like Chris Knowles and the whole Lucifer's technology perspective. Like, if there was a group of trickster entities inspiring technological progression down a negative path this sort of syncs up with how opposite our methods seem to actually be from natural processes couldn't you say?

56:58 Well, that's exactly what Victor Schaumburger said. He said if you want to know the right way to do things Do it the exact opposite of the way we're doing it right now and what he was talking about Was the way we make energies by blowing stuff up and the way we handle politics is by blowing stuff up You know It's coming from the same mindset Yeah So when you look at everything whether its nuclear power I mean except for saying like, you know solar cells and stuff, that's a different mechanism. But most of them are basically converting heat into some sort of rotational energy and whether that heat source is coal or oil or whether it's the nuclear reaction its all driving heating steam And then once you heat that steam you put it through a turbine

57:50 Runs generator and that generator get you what you need in terms of power but it's all this explosion energy and what victor schauberger was talking about was a form of implosion so. Rather than things using themselves expanding really then there. Infusing themselves as they contract radio and you get a build up of structure rather than the degradation structure, is what he called the science of extra p verses entropy that's one of his

58:26 own words. And he had a lot of those, so I'm not going to really go much beyond that because they get really confusing. Right? Fruitogens and dynogens and you know stuff that it takes too much to lead up into the describing his verbiage but fair enough You know, like you've said there have been scientific councils that sort of battled it out and decided where science or medicine was gonna go and where it wasn't going to go right. I mean thats happened. Yeah yeah And I mean its the same thing with trade councils and stuff like that these are the ways

59:03 Council on Foreign Relations, everything. This is the way that they guide things from the top. This is how this top-down structure commands what you can work on, what the boundaries are and that's critical to keeping this stuff controlled. They're starting to... I've sent you some articles before and they're starting to let the genie out of the bottle with some of this science But they haven't completely let it go and they aren't going to ever talk about the stuff that's gone on in the past. What they're looking at are finding ways to have this sort of stuff released in a controlled manner where they control some aspect of its production so that it is still under their purview. Right, of course

59:52 By framing it very narrowly in terms of this is an acceptable scientific understanding you can say well, this free energy device works because we can control this aspect of the manufacturing process or that but there's other windows. Even though they're working on the same principle. So that's, you know... That's a lot of how this keeps people from really thinking about it It's just you frame it in such a way that it's so that violates the second law thermodynamics even though There are Nobel Prizes and stuff like that that talk about things that violate the second law of thermodynamics You know

1:00:31 Exactly. You just make the box, the parameters and then you just say well nothing can exist outside of here so why even discuss it? Yeah but... And that happens a lot in engineering I'm sure specifically because they don't want them to think about you know the ramifications of zero-point energy in physics It's something that is known in physics but if you keep the physicists from talking to the engineers too long then the physicists won't come up with a way to actually tap into this stuff and the engineers won't realize I need to think about how to tap into it. Yeah, yeah because there's the people who come up with the science of it then there's the people who create the devices that use it yes just keep them separated like offspring said yep so To get back to Victor a little bit you mentioned that Texas group that ended up with all his work

1:01:22 And how that speaks to what we've talked about before, these pockets of post-war German networks like the Sonora Aero Club would be another example of pockets of German people working on secret technology outside of the realm of what's known. I guess this is just another thing that points to it right? Well, it speaks to the fact that immediately after the war... I mean you're talking within 10 years of the war there's this consortium and whether it's paperclip Nazis or whether it's just some consortium that has been working behind-the-scenes. Or its postwar German nationalists who are working with their partners in the US to try and keep this stuff contained

1:02:10 We don't know but it speaks to the fact that there were elements of the Nazi party and things like that, we're operating within the United States during and after the war. Whatever this party really was I think that they really were Nazi related For one thing because he was conscripted by the Nazis now Victor Schauberger He was probably the only scientist. I've ever heard of who actually Demanded good living conditions for his workers So like he refused to work for the Nazis unless they treated as workers well hmm, but that's the only one I've heard of where

1:02:55 Anybody made that request and actually had it granted by the Nazis. Wow, so damn you know most people they would have just said screw you we're doing what we want You just drive him as hard as you can and hopefully don't keep a gun too close to your head, you know Exactly man So I guess to switch gears a little bit We also were going to talk about Alec Barthelme's book and some of his stuff about the ionosphere in particular right? Yeah, well so he's working off of Schauberger material and what Schauberger... And you know NASA confirms the stratification of layers between the Earth and ionosphere. There are all these different temperatures that are stratified through the ionosphere and it gets up to hundreds of degrees

1:03:46 And then it'll go down to like below freezing. And then on other places, there are these stratified layers where they're exactly at four degrees Celsius which is this anomaly point of water. You know if you think about it that's kind of like a big capacitor. You've got this shell and these different layers that have different properties in terms of you know letting ions and things through them so...you're talking about this huge store of energy and that's also you know tesla was tapping into that with his word but our stuff like that. And also there is this theory of burgers we talked about cosmic fertilization any basically talks about how the sun,

1:04:31 it is fertilizing the earth. And there's this diagram where he shows the suns rays coming into the earth and then inside of the Earth, in the very center there's this re-radiation that's going on and I think that speaks to some of his understanding about how something like an internal Sun inside a Hall worth might develop. Right! Boom! There it is Yeah All this stuff you know all kind of ties together And we'll get into that a bit more when we get into the Eddadorpha book and stuff. Right, and what else would you like to talk about before we do get into the Eddorpha stuff? Are there other things we've left on the table? Well... A lot of Schauberger's designs they used golden mean and golden ratio sacred geometry in them so that was very important to him. Right again nature! Yeah, you see that all throughout nature

1:05:25 So there's one thing that I would like to discuss, and that's just kind of for people to have an idea what his recommendations were with regards to water since it's Something that's so ubiquitous and we all need it, and treating it properly will help to keep you healthy. So here are some of the key points that Schauber points out. Water is enemy as excess heat and light. Water contains oxygen a substance that's essential for the processes of growth and decay below a temperature of 9 degrees Celsius oxygen is used for growth above that promote decomposition Water should really be maintained below 48 degrees Fahrenheit.

1:06:08 As the temperature rises above 50 degrees Fahrenheit, the oxygen becomes increasingly more aggressive promoting pathogenic bacteria which can give us disease when we drink the water containing them. Tank or cistern that is above ground needs to be well insulated and painted white to reflect the sun's heat because mostly below ground walls will not require insulation but the top must reflect heat. Victor advised against using rectangular storage containers for water as they degraded the water and did not allow for its natural movement although it might be difficult to source The only container that allows for this movement is the egg shape. The material of containment is very important because water needs to keep cool and breathe, and the best materials are natural stone wood and terracotta so

1:06:50 That's just kind of some of his overall recommendations for water. Now, mostly what we do today is we add things to it like chlorine which degrades the water and stuff like that and just the way we move water through pipes is also very damaging to the structure of water there are 90 degree turns everywhere and pumping it with our centrifugal pumps rather than centripetal pumps is very damaging And then the way we transport it, it's all open to the air. The sun just hits and degrades on its way as being transported around states so...

1:07:29 We need to completely if we're going to live happy healthy lives when the big things you need to do is completely restructure the way that i think about water and how we handle it. Add you know one of those things is actually no everyday wake up in the first thing i do is i pina nice big water And I think that we can find better things to do with it than just crapping and throw it away. Right? There's a really funny meme about that with the kid in Africa who says, like, let me get this straight. You've got bowls of clean water piped right into your house and you shit in it. It's like yeah man sorry sorry to say we know well

1:08:15 Back in the 19th century, late 1800s Paris actually had a completely vacuum based waste handling system for urine and defecation. So basically if you ever gone to the bank and sent your check over on a tube it's like imagine having vacuum that you just open up the valve and it sucks out your poop and it sucks out your urine, and then it goes to a place where, you know, a fraction of the water is used to convey it. But that stuff was available since then. It's just everybody has gone into the water systems because it's less costly in terms of equipment. You just let the water flow and that carries it off if you need to deal with a clog or something like

1:09:01 the pumping systems for the vacuum was more intensive and stuff like that. Right, and we should at a minimum I guess be using those spiral pipes? That would help out quite a bit apparently! Well yeah but it's verboten you can't do that right so as long as you can then you won't right true But there are people who are making those pipes, but without having a big retooling for that sort of thing it's very costly to make by hand which is basically the way it's being made right now by a few people. Right and apparently we'd have to have much cleaner water because there was another guy you sent me his work Theodore Schwenk I believe and he talks about how pollutants affect the water in those vortexes or how it affects water vortexes probably in a more natural state but that's a big deal too right?

1:09:53 Yeah, so basically one of the things that he looked at was pollutants from brewery and domestic wastewater and how that impacted the... So his tests were very similar to what is it Masaru Imoto's research only with liquids rather than ice. So where my story moto with freeze water while somebody was projecting their emotions at it or saying something just doing something about that would deal with the water he was able to form different crystals and show that there is an effect. Now this is dealing with pollution rather than emotional pollution say that this is more physical pollution but

1:10:41 It deals with how the water is able to structure and so it. Similar to what Victor was saying about the temperatures effect on water and its capacity for life, he found that when pollutants were introduced about six football fields downstream the waters ability to vortex was just terrible. And it had bacteria and worms that dominated the stream so there wasn't much in a way of higher ordered life withstand living in that water. So about a mile downstream, he found that the water was beginning to have lateral structure forming. Basically what he'd do is drop a little drop of this water and then he had to have a picture taken at a certain point and he kept doing those tests over and over again to see what happened when the water fell into a pool of water and how the vortex structures formed because that deals with the structure of the water

1:11:42 By about a mile, he started to get some lateral structures and side structures on the drop as it dripped into the water. And that's where larvae of insects started to develop and large part of the substances that were introduced had been degraded So that kind of speaks to Victor Schauberger's idea of water needing to chew its rocks. Like he talks about water like it's living, but he said that it needed to chew its rocks so there was a degradation step that needs to happen in the development of water where it is transforming these materials into less ordered states and can build them back up again. And so that's part of what's going on during this introduction of pollutant

1:12:30 So the pollutant is being degraded and broken down. So it's mostly broken down within a mile And then the water starts to develop for disease around two miles, algae start to develop and aquatic animals are able again to inhabit stream. And then by five miles it's basically back where it was in terms of the ecosystem being restored and not really seeing the effect of those pollutants now keep in mind this is just organic polluted so domestic wastewater Brewery waters to talk about yeast and food particles and stuff like nothing really that damaging or toxic right when you start getting it stuff That's even more toxically oil

1:13:14 you know, different chemicals then you're talking about stuff where it might take a lot longer for it to become degraded. Yeah I mean even the natural stuff is showing a huge influence that alone is enough to be like hey why don't we stop that? You're damaging miles of the river and you don't think about it because you're like oh well its relatively clean water were injecting into it but not from the rivers perspective Well, I mean we aren't breathing it either. You can have it on your hands and it's not toxic or anything but try and breathe that water in with all the food and stuff like you'll get really sick. And we should also probably break down Dr. Imoto's stuff a little bit because I'm sure people have heard of it or once it's explained a little bit they'll be like oh yeah I remember hearing about that but it's something that science has thoroughly dismissed

1:14:07 I wouldn't even say debunked because of course we don't think that but, uh...I did consider this fairly hokey. Like i can't ration in my mind why this would work or at least I had a hard time doing that up until we started talking about this show but talk about Dr Emoto and what he did exactly sure yeah I'm sure most of your listeners are familiar with this most people have heard of it and just kind of went well whatever But he would freeze water while subjects would pray, say or otherwise provide intent for the water sample. And then he'd also play music samples as well and the crystalline water structure of frozen ice would then show different shapes or patterns based on the words or the structure of the music and words that invoked empathy love beauty would produce highly ordinate intricate structures as well as classical music

1:15:00 And words that invoked aggression, pain or fear would produce ice that was seemingly disrupted and formless in its crystalline structure as would heavy metal and things like that. And so there is one thing I found that actually supports that with scientific theory In 2012 researchers at Stony Brook University concluded The volume of water, of ice depends on the quantum zero-point motion of the H and O atoms in an opposite way from normal materials. Crystals shrink as they are cooled but because a zero point motion shrinking stops before reaching temperatures of absolute zero." And so they called this Quantum Ice Effect. So that there are quantum effects that are going on during this freezing process. So the potential for those quantum effects to help order

1:15:51 ice crystals you know there's starting to be some theory that could support that man i mean his work was done and believe in the late nineties or something like that but just now we're starting to catch up with what. Might be the causes so crazy to think that you can take ice and you can say I love you or fuck your mother and the structure of The ice changes, I guess to a degree. I mean that's basically what he's getting at is intent negative or positive emotion Actually has an effect on water structure And that to me always just was like nope I can't go down that road That just doesn't make any fucking sense but

1:16:37 you introduced to me the other day, you were talking about those early alchemists and how they used to talk about the mind element to transmutation. That there was some type of mechanism there, that it was some kind of mental process that had an effect on what they were doing. And you could say before they had the technological ability, the mechanical ability to do some of these things, there was a mind effect – people with strong minds could Maybe be better out the next i just think that it makes a little more sense now its kinda mind blowing man yeah well they called the mine the inner fire and so when you read a lot of. I mean all this stuff is encoded in this really hard to decipher but there was one other things that stuck out to me was talking about this entire fire into me

1:17:28 That speaks to this quality of the mind where you can be a projected consciousness outside of yourself and go different places like remote viewing and things like that. They've actually done experiments where they have had photomultiplier tubes at the target of something that was being remote viewed, and they found that they could detect light So when somebody was remote viewing something, they could detect light with a sensor. It was very small but that showed that there was something going on there and so I think that our consciousness by injecting intent especially once you start to get into kind of altered states of consciousness, you'd be able to open up this pathway between the conscious and unconscious

1:18:25 then you're able to take processes that would normally be impossible and you start to skew the way that these lower level interactions happen on an aggregate scale, and you're able to make reactions occur that would normally be impossible. And so it's something that I think is really at the root of our reality to a degree But it also gets into alchemy and magic and all this other stuff that we like to talk about. Yeah, I mean this is just so exciting for me because a lot of the stuff that gets talked about in the show i've been into for maybe a decade or more And this is just

1:19:11 pretty fresh. And there's so many people who try to talk about alchemy as, oh well it's all just symbolic language and it's about strengthening your mind. Yeah strengthen in your mind so you can do some real shit! Strengthen your minds so you can have some scientific effects and its almost like that's the disinformation. To say that there is no way... There's no area where alchemy touches real science is like get out of here. Well I think lot of people especially in the new age world. They like to think about everything being in your head, to a large degree. And you know our perspective and there's a lot of let's say manipulation behind the scenes when it comes to the new age perspective on the whole in terms of different institutes that have been set up who are being funded by The Rockefellers or this or that stuff like that so I think there is this tendency

1:20:11 to keep it to the self-help realm, you know? Because a lot of that stuff is just kind of like the self help realm. And oh if I just envision that my life will be better it will be better and kinda keeping in this fantasy mentality Right keep it in areas where the results cause people to actually dismiss the phenomenon itself and the entire body of work. Yeah but they know about this and the whole mindset of it is well my psychology, affects reality, but it's just I There's there's pieces missing from the puzzle there. Let me just say Make it seem arbitrary yet they make it seem either way doesn't matter You know It's all good and that whole kind of like well if I just do my thing I can ignore the rest of reality and this kind of you know But really

1:21:11 Yeah i don't want to be too much on the new age there are some interesting things that they know about and obviously they aren't dismissing a lot of stuff like scientists but Let's just say I think there are holes in their philosophy. Right, maybe they're interpretations a little off because they don't have the scientific background or the know-how to really put the pieces together but they don't have a bad intention? A lot of them have intuitive understanding but then i think there is also these levers of control that guide them into certain ways of thinking as well Yeah Absolutely. And so I wanted to ask you before we get into the weird stuff and dive into the deep end of the pool, just to put a kind of a capstone on this what will probably be up to this point just what turns out to be the free show just to make it all come full circle but have you taken any of this research and done any experiments yourself either by building a Victor S style device or by giving yourself vortexed water to see how you feel anything like that?

1:22:15 Well, I've done a little. In terms of vortexing the water if you want to do it like the Rudolf Steiner method of vortex where it's kind of an hour one way and hour the other way It's just a lot of work! I have to make some equipment to do that sort of stuff. I do wanna get into that more Basically for now...I'm just using some thing called the Sperling Ring There was this guy, he developed these copper rings which are supposed to and train the ether in a double helix pattern that wraps around on each other, fractions of a qubit and things like that. So I basically use that and have a Berkey system then put it into a copper egg-shaped vessel but not really much beyond that. I want to make some organite water holders that are egg shaped to help structurize it And then also add some motion to that with some sort of motion structurizer or flow structurizer

1:23:18 This is like medicinal water in effect, right? Yeah. Well to really get it up to that level you need to start looking into adding minerals and things like that which is what, you know basically when Schauberger had his system he had He had it where you added like a little packet of minerals and then it would flow all around It had carbonic acid and stuff added to it to help break down the minerals and stuff So he even way above what I'm thinking of doing any time soon But you know that would be wonderful. But you know all this stuff takes a lot of work Yeah, it's a lot of work

1:23:54 I mean, it's not hard. It really is very simple stuff but none of this stuff is sitting on the shelves! Just even finding a vessel that's egg-shaped of a decent size is hard enough. Yeah... just so sad because obviously we know the water that's pumped into our houses is polluted and Some areas worse than others of course, but then even the water we get generally is in these plastic bottles and there's been more than enough research to suggest there's trace amounts of plastic in those water bottles seeping into the water. So like The building block of life, the only sources we have are all just dead and polluted. Yeah well and then there's fluoride. Oh of course yeah add it to the pile! That's a whole other...

1:24:47 If there's any hope for people living happy, healthy lives is something that's going to have to come under scrutiny. It's going to have to and you know when it comes to the work of Gerald Pollack This EZ zone, that's just the first start of his stuff. He goes into how it deals with protein folding cellular function muscular contraction cellular division microtubule polymerization mitochondria development chromosomal development in the cell so water structure plays a huge huge impact in every single stage of cellular development yeah there's a rabbit hole there yeah think of it as like well

1:25:28 almost the electrical muscle of the cell. This pulsing and you start to get into kind of orgone, one thing I should mention is that I misspoke in the first series when i was talking about Wilhelm Reichen's creating these little bionds The bionds weren't really bacteria they were just kinda like these vesicles These little spheres of material that was pulsing and it gave off this light And that also seems to be supported by Pollock as well because he talks about the first stages of a cell being made up of these different particles that are being held together by charge and then they start to clump together, which is exactly what Wilhelm Reich was seeing in the formation of these bions. Then you get this conglomeration of matter that's forming a shell and it starts to glow. What Reich said was it was pulsing with its orgone energy

1:26:24 the beginning building blocks of a cell and life, and things like that. And so if you think about that and couple it with what we've talked about in terms of cavitation and DNA and stuff like that then you're also getting into some other theories of Mark LeClaire because he found when he was doing his experiments that these were the perfect conditions in these cavitating bubbles to create all sorts of different materials and he theorized that the impact from all of these meteors and stuff like that on the primordial Earth

1:27:02 made these double helix structures, you know kind of creating elements all over the place and so You know if you've got these little balls floating around and they got these double helix injectors that are shooting different molecules into it He's saying that's kind of like the crucible of life right there. Mm-hmm Amazing, man. Amazing! You're a great synthesizer of all these little different compartmentalized areas of research for sure Man, we definitely have put together a hell of an episode here. It's pretty amazing that at least in the earlier portion the science we were talking about the alchemical stuff seems to be so in tune with nature and so fundamental but it's crazy they've been able to keep it out of the mainstream for so long? And is there anything else really we should do to wrap this thing up

1:27:57 Well, since we haven't broached the subject at all I would like to talk just very briefly about dowsing because it's so related. Yeah that's a weird art Yeah, so dowsing one of the most popular uses for dowsing is water witching you know finding water and What's using a rod or a pendulum or something like that? Something with a rhythmic movement to it or something that can twist in order to be able to do some sort of prediction or some sort of determination as to where water might be. Or, you know other things as well but we'll just focus on water for now When it comes to dowsing We've been talking about these

1:28:44 quantum effects and things like that. They're really dealing with these torsion-orgone energy streams, and all this is dealing with this rotational wave And so when you're dealing with dowsing, one of the big things is that there is evidence that there's something going on outside of just a person manipulating things with their hands. There is an outside force that seems to be developed. So Just a quick little speaking to that, there's this book called Aqua Video Locating Underground Water by Bernal Cameron.

1:29:29 And that's specifically dealing with his Orometer dowsing rod. It's a doodle bug, it is basically kind of a cross between a dowsing rod and pendulum where something bounces around as it can spin and find things Measuring the deflection of a dowsing rod on May 1, 1963 exhaustive scientific test proved conclusively that a powerful force outside the human body actually pulls the dowsing instrument in the presence of underground water. The test was conducted by qualified scientists at the suggestion of the Institute of Radio Engineers, for whom Vern Cameron had given a lecture demonstration at the IRC Hall in Los Angeles. Alvin Kaufman for the Litton Company of Engineers and assistant arrived at Mr. Cameron's Elsinore home with a sensitive electronic recording machine designed to record by means of two moving styluses on four-and one half inch paper tape

1:30:30 This subject was covered in detail by James Crenshaw, a February 1965 article in Fate magazine. The specifically built device was a 12-inch aluminum arm with the vice at the top. A rheostat or potentiometer mounted at the bottom carried a heavy pendulum to register the slightest deviation from vertical, or from whatever position the arm was held with the dial adjusted for zero reading. The torsion beam bending bar two stylite trace the record of the action on the switch as well as the attitude of the barred switch The machine was set up to have a small cold water stream Cameron endows beneath his driveway. Wires ran to the water clamp carrying a forked switch Cameron cut from nearby fruitless mulberry tree, first which while good for normal hand use and doesn't kept twisting off the arm of the twig when clamped in the vice. The opposite end of this switch was carried on Cameron's open upturn left palm

1:31:25 The torque on the first switch was not great enough with only one end to support the crotch, so Cameron cut a much stronger switch about 18 inches long with a 1 quarter inch diameter at the clamp. This proved to be satisfactory." So in this experiment He's essentially got the standard twitch you would cut off of a tree, in this case a mulberry tree. You know that forked branch? They're clamping it on one side just to an angle meter, potentiometer that changes resistance as the angle changes and then he is putting his other side on open palm and its twisting and they are measuring the amount of twisting and the twisting so strong when they put a smaller branch in it twisted the branch off

1:32:12 So what's doing that? It's not his hand, his hands open. It's not the vice. The vice doesn't generate any twisting it just holds it so the branch is moving on its own there's this rotational energy that's going into this operation That's not being performed by the musculature of the operator Wow! It's being done by their consciousness I believe wow...so we're getting back into that consciousness aspect again Huh. I mean, Dinosaur Internet has always seemed weird to me but it's been used for so long it clearly works! Well that's the thing is there's a lot of this stuff that gets dismissed as superstition and this and that but when you actually do try to come at it with a scientific mind that isn't prejudiced and you actually look at the evidence then

1:33:04 everything opens up, you're like wait there's an actual force here what's causing that? Wait there's more! There's more yeah so and you got to realize that the ancient people weren't stupid. They didn't have all these complex systems but maybe it's because they didn't need all these complex systems that we have today right you know We think that were so smart because we're shooting radar into the ground and were able to pick up things but this is just somebody with a bit of something on the string or stick and they're able to find the same thing. Who's smarter? Absolutely, begs the question!

1:33:47 And so we also wanted to give a little preview of future shows before we wrapped this up. In fact, you wanted to take a break from this series and then in a couple months down the line do an episode that focuses on fascism especially in light of recent events but what would you say to get people primed up for what we got coming there? Well, we've been talking about the Germans and things like that you know, elemental stories. And that's because there is definitely an aspect to involvement of Germans and they definitely I mean obviously they have some impact on the subject of fascism as well but that's not a coincidence There is this undercurrent in United States history and politics which has hardly ever discussed

1:34:39 And it's this kind of fascist angle. We'll get into that more when we talk about things like the attempted coup of 1933 and Smitley Butler, and stuff like that I'm going to definitely send you some books One of them would be The Nazi Hydra That thing is a tome It's just almost like reading a reference It's so thickly packed Let me throw something in here, because I was preparing for another show that I was going to be doing with someone that will not be happening. Because they're a little bit too paranoid about the culture right now and how polarized everyone is politically and they don't want some things to be misconstrued but we were gonna do a show that talked about

1:35:27 some of the weird aspects of Trump history and it all spawns from the idea that book Baron Trump and his journey to the inner world. It's kind of a 4chan conspiracy right now but there is a real book written in the days of Tesla, in New York when they both were in that area And it's a book written about little Baron Trump, Baron as a moniker not as a first name necessarily. But phonetically I mean synchronistically very similar. Little Barron Trump and his journey to the inner earth. So what's weird about this you would think this would just be a troll right? You would think

1:36:03 But as you dig deeper, you find some interesting things. So Donald Trump has an uncle named John G. Trump and apparently you can find a lot of clips of Donald sourcing John G. Trump talking about how smart he was. There's a quote where Donald says my Uncle John told me about nuclear before nuclear was nuclear and just all this weird stuff but I remember that yeah Yeah, so interesting. But and then he says the most stupid thing you can about nuclear energy but you know well yeah his uncle John was heavy at MIT like he went there for decades He worked he was an MIT scientist And it's not long in the deep state when you're talking about secret technology and this kind of stuff before you get to MIT and I actually went on YouTube and found a black-and-white archival video where

1:36:57 Somebody in radionics is actually interviewing him and from his own mouth man. He says some interesting stuff he says that he used to work at Bell labs when they changed the name from Western something to bell labs like he was there at the time so that's an interesting footnote also he talks about. What time when you is working on his thesis and he hit a roadblock so he went to talk to van ever bush Personally, so he went to talk to Vannevar Bush. I mean that's you're talking about the heart of the man and this is Trump's uncle first on that he knows well and so I haven't even gotten to the most crazy thing but anyways so he gets a van ever bush

1:37:48 Vannevar Bush's advice to him after hearing what he is working on, on this thesis is Oh you need to go talk with this other guy. He has got some wild ideas but I have checked them out and they seem credible And I can't remember the other guy it's not someone that I had ever heard about before But he is talking about strange ideas that are off the radar for the scientific community He is getting advice from Vannevar Bush where to go and here is the icing on the cake When Tesla died and they recovered some of his material, the FBI hired a scientist to review that material and see if there was anything of use. That scientist was John G Trump He was the guy who took Tesla's stuff And then he gave a public statement that there was really nothing to see here

1:38:38 Oh, here's the quote. I wrote it down. Tesla's thoughts and efforts during at least the past 15 years were primarily of a speculative philosophical and somewhat promotional character but did not include new sound workable principles or methods for realizing such results so he basically says nothing to see here this is the guy they hired I mean, that's if you talk to any engineer today. That's what they say. Right? So there is the speculation that John G Trump actually took Tesla's work and kept it private and publicly said there was nothing to see and that the Trump family is time travelers in that little Baron Trump is actually Donald Trump in a small in a real timeline and that he's gone back in time

1:39:27 gone to the inner earth, had this book written about him using Tesla's material. And obviously that is a crazy story but what's also interesting is the real movie Back To The Future Biff Tannen time traveler is based on Donald Trump. Oh man! The writer of the books... the writer of the movie straight up says he was based on Trump so this all ties together in a really weird way Wow we have to go there second half that we have for sure. Absolutely, we'll hit up beast men and gods but will have to do both of them in the speculative portion absolutely man so fascinating stuff I love it and of course we're gonna continue the alchemical series after we make that pit stop at fascism but this has been a great time man i'm really loving these episodes well i'm glad you hear that I hope everybody else's too!

1:40:26 Doing all this research, I've had these ideas floating around in my head. But whenever I come back and revisit it to talk with you just new stuff just keeps starts popping up left and right. And I'm like oh gotta add this in! Gotta add this in! You can see the way I email stuff is like well here's this and here's this. It's a tangled web man. I appreciate that. I see them coming in and I'm like oh shit he's firing off a lot of stuff at me that I have to get into but It's important. But it's worth it, I think it's worth it. Yeah! I find with you and your audience a group of people who are willing to listen to my crazy outlandish theories and there is evidence here but most people are never willing to look at it. Most people just the cognitive dissonance is so heavy that they don't want to go there. Agreed. A lot of them even if they do ponder something for a moment what can I do about it?

1:41:22 go back to where they were. Well, I think you tie a lot of great stuff together and these make some of the most unique podcasts out there and obviously i couldn't do it without ya! Well for a long time I've kind of looked at the whole conspiracy world and except for a few shining lights like Graham Hancock...I know some people have their issues with him but I really like his work then there's Joseph Farrell Eric Dollard and some others, they just really stand out as sources of true information. There's a lot of other people out there where they get in their own way even if they're trying really hard to find the truth something about their personality gets in their own way where they just won't go that extra mile to say am I being objective?

1:42:14 Am I trying to root out all the sources of myself that could get into this? You know, I kind of think that we need to have a gonzo scientific community pop up and like a gonzo reporting community where... Because that's what the whole claim to fame with What's-His-Face, the guy who wrote Fear and Loathing. Hunter S Thompson Hunter S. Thompson, yeah the Gonzo journalist he said gonzo journalism was about recognizing that I am a part of the story Just like scientists need to recognize you're a part of the experiment. You affect the experiment, if you are steadfastly against ever believing that there's a possibility that your mind could interact with this then you won't see any evidence of it and in and of itself if you can be... That's something that can happen

1:43:09 In this context, but if you're thinking outside of that context you like well obviously that's not gonna happen So, you know it's just looking into a mirror thing You know Yeah Gotta be able to reflect on yourself and see how much in myself am I injecting into this? Am I really being objective or not right, you know And that's one of the big things that, just as in the scientific community it also happens in the reporting community and conspiracy community. People aren't able to get out of their own way. Right! That's something Gordon White talked about a lot is data and interpretation you gotta separate the actual facts and data from the mouthpiece that's giving you the information because they always put a spin on it like he said

1:43:49 Yeah, and I mean, I try and not put as spin on it as much as I can. But I'm still a person. I got a personality out help you know? I'm not a robot so right now if you can even like the people who try to be conscious of it obviously are doing way more than the people who were oblivious to it. I mean when your oblivious to it is just It's almost kind of frustrating to see how you want to shake him and be like hey well what if it's this yeah You know I like what you're saying but what if it's that But either way, you know how it goes. Yeah but definitely send me whatever information you have about that Donald Trump thing I'll take a look at it Oh well I'll send y'all my notes from the show that never was what it will be interesting It will be man it will be so yeah big thanks for bringing all this stuff to the table anything else you want to promote in terms of stuff people should follow up on or dig deeper into to get a clearer picture these things we've been talking about Well

1:44:44 So remember my first podcast, I was promoting the Wilhelm Wreick documentary film? Yes. That it got its full funding. Hell yeah! It's coming through. Good job listeners, I'm sure it is all you! We do what we can here at the Hireside Chats Well they had to do some subsequent funding and stuff like that but yeah they made it up Well were stoners so were slow to get in there and take care of shit But yeah its being made so...I know it's probably going to be another 18-24 months before it will be released on disc

1:45:21 So it's a ways off, but you know it'll probably be available through the Wilhelm Reich Infant Trust or one of the other Wilhelm Reich organizations once it is. So that's something to just keep an eye out for I just thought I'd give people an update. Heck yeah! Cool and I assume as usual if people do have questions maybe you'll try to engage in some correspondence on the Plus Sites comments section or on the forum? Well I haven't been on there as much recently like basically since Trump was elected. Yeah, this part you know I've had a lot of work and I've had some stuff I've been doing at home to try and fix some things that I've got going on my own projects And so probably after we do this fascism podcast I'll be on there bit more but leading up to that just because there's gonna be So much material for that one as well. I'm probably not gonna be on the boards for a while yeah

1:46:16 Fair enough, man. Well very cool once again you killed it Thank you so much take care And I guess we'll be talking in just a couple of months if we make it through sounds good wait wait hold on Oh one thing yes since we had that talk before about the eclipse and Trump's job change and all that We should just really briefly especially what happened last week we should talk about all this Nazi stuff that's been going on. Pretty crazy, and for people who just so you know we're recording the show the day before The Eclipse so we could be in for a whole new world by the time this releases but it's been crazy already and you hear about people and hysteria and lunatics and it's all tied to the full moon and there's that whole mythology but if you take eclipses

1:47:05 And there's also a similar mythology there. Leading up to this eclipse, people are acting crazy! Oh definitely! Whoa, there is the whole series of protests around the Robert E. Lee statue and then one of the counter protesters gets run over and he takes so long to make any sort of statement about it and then you know it's a bit ambiguous when he does right? And then like a day or two later He's texting and he retweets that he's a fascist and then he re-tweets something where CNN's getting run over by a train he's letting go his main strategist and Bannon, and the whole economic councils and stuff like that. They're all getting disbanded! The power is leaving the room. That's basically what I see happening right now. And that's what the Young Turks are predicting—that in the next 6 to 18 months

1:48:02 Six being the more likely outside, but 18 months being the far far outside. But anywhere between one and six months they're predicting he's going to be out He's gonna resign for one reason or another that he gives Yeah, I mean i'm right there ever since Austin Coppock on the astrology episode talked about this eclipse and what it means with Trump's natal chart to suggest a career change for Trump. Ever since then I've been spouting off about that telling people hey just wait its gonna happen now got a buddy who every time I get Caught up in one of these predictions of one of my guests he writes it down and he makes me sign it. And then when something doesn't happen and the economy doesn't collapse, he calls me out on it.

1:48:45 It's not something that's pegged to the day. You know, these astrological changes create windows. Yeah. So it could be six months from now that Trump actually leaves office and people are going to say, well, that had nothing to do with the eclipse. And it's like, well, how often does a president leave office so soon into his first term? I mean, not often. And I mean in terms of shitstorm controversies is this the trump card because Trump card indeed. You want to talk about Nazis marching through the streets in front of synagogues and there's the book of revelations line about The end of the world will be ushered in with trump pants Oh No trumpets And the way he reacted I mean unless you're really a hardcore support, you gotta realize that

1:49:39 the way he reacted was just so flat, you know? And saying what are we going to do now pull down Washington's monument. It's just getting to a level of ridiculousness that is it's cartoonish at this point. Right well considering how much deep state funding talk there was around the Trump election realizing that his uncle was very embedded in the MIT nexus and And also, I looked at some stuff from Walter Bosley since you first brought the Charles Delchao saga into my sphere of influence. He actually talks about that too and what's weird is that apparently multiple machines in the Charles Delchao artwork are labeled Trump and apparently the man who is credited with creating those arrows

1:50:34 His name was Homer Trump. So yeah, man and another thing is the ones that say Trump on them are numbered in a series 4500 Donald Trump 45th president. What? OK I gotta bring out my Dell shop book and look at some of those paintings Yeah you should look at that because maybe there's some You know you have a source because you can always go back and change things later or make one Looks the same but says Trump on it and then put it in your blog But if you've got a hard copy definitely take a look at that series 4500 of photos and see if you see stuff with Trump written on it because he might be a liaison to a deep, deep undercover cults of weird alchemists and Arrowcraft flyers that are German in nature

1:51:28 Well, you know I mean one thing that came up briefly during the election that a lot of supporters dismissed was the fact that it was stated during his divorce proceedings that Ivanka saw him go to sleep reading Adolf Hitler's speeches. Damn! That's pretty damning You know, I brought that up to people and they said oh well that's a divorce proceeding. You can't believe anything had said in there. And I'm like well actually that's probably one of the best ways to get dirt on somebody is to have their pissed off wife spouting off in middle of courtroom. Yeah. I'll definitely check that out because I have the book with all

1:52:11 I don't know if it's not all of them, but like a lot of the original prints that were sourced for the Del Schout book. Yes! I have that book of prints of those so i can look at that yeah It would be great to get that confirmation and then if i find something i'll send you a picture and maybe you can post that absolutely Absolutely. And there's even more to this, dude! There is so much to this but we're about to set a record... We actually have. Actually that's copyrighted I don't know if you'll be able to post it. That's fine. We won't post it but let me know so I know. Wait wait wait, we can source at least. We'l figure out. It will happen But man, we've definitely set the record for longest episode of THC which I just appreciate. But i've gotta eat! I haven't eaten today. I haven't eaten either. Alright man Okay well take it easy. I love it Definitely Great time Take care Okay bye-bye And boom goes the dynamite people Shaman Janir once again helluva guy Helluva show I hope everybody's liking this series of secret science shows They are a little different

1:53:15 because Shemange just sends me books and presentations and lectures that are related to a given element, and then we talk about them. I also try to stay conscious of the fact that you guys need context it can't come off like two guys talking about a movie you never saw so we always try to lay a good base there but we also include everything we've talked about in the show notes So the links are always there but it is more of a synthesis of material than most episodes I know we're a day late also, but everybody gets an extra hour. And i think that's something to celebrate at least because me and Shemange ended up taking two hours just to get through these scientist guys and all their interesting work and the experiments that have been done around water so if you cut it off there that's really like a typical higher side plus show

1:54:05 two hours chalked to the brim of interesting shit, and everybody gets that today. And then in hour three we pretty much went a completely different direction by focusing on this book Eddadorpha and a few other pieces of sci-fi fantasy stuff that relates to the inner earth and these properties and lesser known states and structures of water That actually helped to make the case that these stories might be Truth wrapped in fiction. Because the idea that they guessed so right about a few of these things is fairly unlikely, so maybe we have some real elements at play? And as me and Shemangineer do more episodes, a rhythm does start to emerge after the first one when we decided how to flesh out the series

1:54:46 And then after the last one, we figured out how to split the show up into the secret science and data upfront. Then that becomes the structure upon which we build that latter speculative portion that becomes the plus show. I think that just works out really well. So if you liked the first two hours consider that any other week with THC, you'd only be here in half of that! You're leaving a ton of great material on the table for five bucks But this week too, you also would have missed the Eddadorpha hour. So consider signing up for PLUS. You know the drill. The higher side chats plus dot com But that said guys, water! When you check out the stuff I did for this show or hopefully just listening to it explained was helpful but this is very real and suppressed stuff. Like there is no guessing, I saw the charged water structure form a bridge supported by nothing The DNA memory stuff has real results so I think this is just a much cooler and more interesting subject than I might have even a month ago

1:55:46 We all know how much of us is made of water. But we don't think about water's structure or the health of the water that we put into our bodies very often, I think our actions are probably proof for that right? What if you could treat water with all these fairly simple methods like vortexing and have it be like Popeye's spinach And of course the energy applications are pretty great too. The cavitation material is really interesting, just all around stuff I don't hear about very often so big thanks to him for bringing it to the table takes a lot of work and time to gather this material and your thoughts about it... ...and then to sit here with me for three hours who wants to do that?

1:56:24 I also saw an interesting headline on Reddit today, a little bit of a synchronicity but it sort of ties in. It was on the Futurology sub which is one of my favorites and it said that scientists have succeeded in combining spider silk with graphene and carbon nanotubes A composite material five times strong enough to hold a human which is produced by the spider itself after it drinks water containing the nanotubes So there you go, just by drinking treated water the spider can do this. I mean what could we do with it? Is it maybe a less invasive and natural way to geoengineer or even bio-engineer our bodies because it sounds like it could be And what this whole episode got me thinking about was legends of fountains of youth and magical springs and how this could all relate to perfect conditions in the environment

1:57:15 Maybe the light hits it just right and the water flows in the optimum spiral, and a charge builds up. You know what I mean? I think it's possible! And not only was this episode long but you basically got a crash course on all of the material that I had for the time-traveling Trumps Baron and The Inner Earth episode that I guess isn't going to happen. I do think its pretty crazy that nobody I saw during the election was talking about Trump's uncle literally being the guy who assessed Tesla's papers And if that wasn't enough, I mentioned Walter Bosley had added that Trump is actually on some of the Delshow drawings of the Sonora Arrow Club. Well, Chremange confirmed that because he has a hard copy of the book of artwork and sure enough it's there! Maybe there's no way to link the family trees together but Trump is not a common name and especially not in the small pool of people working in science at that level that are German immigrants at the time right?

1:58:11 I don't know, some people even say that the name Trump is made up. So who's to say? But there is a ton of speculation there built on a pretty interesting set of real facts from the Barron Trump books and the Aero Club artwork to his uncle Tesla and back to the future Either way maybe we will get Walter back on it really is his material It's his blog that I learned about The Del Shao-Trump connection And I think a lot of people enjoyed the last one we did so maybe we should do that I think that'd be fair I also have to thank everybody out there who answered my call about web hosting and needing a new server. I got a lot of great responses, and I have multiple generous people helping with the back end and technical aspects of this business because it is a business. And traditionally, I like to keep everything in-house but that's risky when something happens that's over my head

1:58:59 So I asked for a little help and man, I got it. I will say that I was really shocked by the career positions of some Hireside Chat's listeners out there! Jesus Christ! Some of the resumes I got are listeners who work in IT or data analytics at some huge companies... ...some who are lead engineers at major web hosting companies too. So I was like really humbled to get such high quality responses I ended up going with a guy who's a little more independent but also has an impressive resume and he's gonna be making some moves in optimizing the THC infrastructure. And so far, he's been really great and I think we have almost all the little issues worked out Also big thanks to other podcasters who helped me out and gave me some contacts or just felt my pain Apparently our good friend Jen Briney of Congressional Dish she was with Bluehost too and finally ended that nightmare

1:59:49 And Gordon from those conspiracy guys, he got in there and tried to work out some redirects for me and helped out a lot. Offered a lot of great support to me in my time of crisis So I do appreciate the solidarity guys you both put on really excellent shows But that pretty much does it for me. I think you guys are going to love what we got coming out on the roster for September We're getting into a recent surge in Chicago encrypted sightings, we're getting into predictive magic and we're getting into the 5G attack on everything It's gonna be...a wild ride! I'm also gonna have chapter 2 of The Armenia Adventure on your desk by the end of the month And that is A Carl Wood Promise

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