Schwab | Beyond Magonia, The Cabal’s Visionary Mission, & The Great Chicago Fire Mystery

00:04 Alright people, I'm gonna make this quick but for the next six weeks or so starting February 1st. I'm putting all my show outlines up for auction I've mentioned before that i have a very strict routine for preparing for and recording THC episodes, and part of that process 95% of the time going back many years has been waking up early on the days i record and compiling my notes into a roughly 4-6 page outline that i print out and conduct interviews from as a template. I write in the margins, cross stuff out as we go along and jot things down that I don't want to forget. And usually have a good deal of material in these outlines that never even makes it to air. When a show is done, put a little staple up in the corner and throw them into filing cabinets. Well its no secret im trying to move and what better time to try collect some extra cash and offload a box of stuff I've been storing...that I dont need!

01:01 So, I'm signing, listing and auctioning off all the outlines I have to any listeners who might be interested in that kind of thing. Each one is totally unique with its own markings, coffee stains, beer spills, printing imperfections, typos and maybe even doodles in some cases...that were never really supposed to be seen by anyone else but…I guess that's no big deal I know, personally, I've bought signed scripts before and some of my most prized possessions are band set lists I nabbed at the end of concerts. So maybe this is something like that for podcasts? If you're into it they will be listed on eBay dot com. Yeah, I know... ebay dot com slash USR slash higher side chats

01:45 The link is at the top of the show notes as well, but it's ebay.com slash usr slash higher side chats and of course I'll post links across all social media dystopias i have an unfortunate presence in Again, the first batch of outlines will go up February 1st and be listed for 10 days And I'm going to continue putting new batches as time permits when and where I can and I hope to have the whole thing completed in about 6-8 weeks or so. I guess i'm just out when im out, but if there's a specific one you might want keep dipping into see what has been added. There is a good chance that I haven't gotten it listed yet and a real chance that I don't even have for one reason or another. But I do have most so just keep an eye out! Thanks in advance to anyone who picks up a little piece of THC history and contributes to the Carlwood Family Moving Fund

02:37 Alright, and that said in more ways than one let's get this show on the road. Enjoy! Back in the saddle and ready to ride. From sunny San Diego, I'm Greg Carlwood and i think it's fair to say that many of us have cultivated enough discernment to recognize the coordination between media academia the political class and the capstone cabal in the present

03:56 Knowing that nearly every new narrative we're presented with is a carefully crafted psyop designed to elicit some predetermined reaction and interest towards some prearranged objective, because clearly we are not far from rats in the maze. Victims of the push and pull of various ingrained incentives along this spectrum from pleasure to pain. But like a never-ending onion, the further you dig, the more you find new layers of just how deep this manipulation goes How long they've been working on cracking the codes to human consciousness and how many of the things you think you know about yourself, your reality and your history are actually just more pieces to this control puzzle that you have yet to consider. Like the iceberg analogy, the true scope of it all is hidden from even the most discerning eyes or served up a curated history propped up by the diploma mafias reinforcement mysterious events glossed over and erased

04:49 Energy, medicine and true science suppressed for the oligarchs' profits. Radical transformations of realities past made trivial by the magic wand of official record in academia's experts Our own most fundamental tendencies dissected and our mental gears greased with oils of conformity consumption and complacency. Our entire organism mapped and used against us by the sorcerers of this human energy farm Well, that is how I feel after reading the work of today's guest and anonymous writer going only by Schwab who has one of the most impressive sub stack blogs. I have stumbled upon yet

05:27 Always reminding readers we should assess our threshold for coincidence and truly question everything. He writes on a wide range of topics from astral beings and crypto terrestrials to the manipulation of the human timeline, the true purpose of the world's fairs, and ultimately the transmutation of a divine reality into a dead husk destroying myth and co-opting the human story itself I hope you're half as psyched as i am. Let's do the damn thing, the dedicated deep diver mystery revealer and true opposition to the jester archons of The Infinite Hoax! Schwab welcome to The Higher Side. Wow thank you

06:05 I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Yeah, man! I have not been this excited for an interview in a long time your sub stack is far and away the best one i'm aware of and getting a chance to present some of this stuff to the people is a real treat but a lot of the content you get into is so unique I wanted to start by getting a clearer picture of how you view reality, our place in it and the relationship between human consciousness and physical life because you pepper in a lot of curious comments throughout your posts. And it might be best to just lay a base in that regard. Okay? I have a way of looking at things where I think my influences would be Jack Ballet and

06:56 Marshall McLuhan mostly right and I'm looking at things as we have different layers of existence and for example, there's a sphere of Symbol in sign that we exist inside of in our minds. It's kind of like a virtual environment sure, I'll put it that way and We also exist in the biosphere, the geosphere. And then on top of that is this sort of concretion, the technosphere that we're building and we used to be able to sort of flow in between these states and have a much more fluid consciousness but over time I guess the veil people say the veil is hardening or it's getting thicker and that...I also believe that we're getting sort of smaller where like

07:56 we're de-evolving physically and psychically, sort of in a fallen state. And that's causing you know it's one thing to get weaker and smaller and less hardy but it's another thing that when you psychically devolve or I use the word goblinize, it's this process of goblinization and some people are farther along on this process than others When that happens to you psychically, you lose your ability to remember things. To see things that are around you and that's where a lot of the confusion comes as far as what are these different entities we experience? What are ultra-terrestrials? What are the Megonians for example like will talk about in a second. Yes yes And my basic

09:01 I guess my thesis is that as we sort of shrink, our consciousness shrinks. We become more afraid of death and in order to cope with that, we dive into necromancy, demonology technology all of these things are sort of coping mechanisms you know, we dive into these sort of very radical departures from the past Essentially everything we believe today, everything of the past 150 years 200 years modernity is kind of a humanistic delusion. And that you know through different things that we can do through trance through eating the right way getting sunlight You can slow that process down or you can break through it and you can kind of get a glimpse or sort of remember

10:06 you know, remember what the world actually is. What's really there? You can see the sort of like I was saying be the various layers of reality for example like a lot of the entities you know Like UFOs and things from my point of view and I get a lot of this from Jack Ballet that what we're dealing with is A very ancient phenomenon And I think it's a sort of electrical phenomenon or electro part of what I call the electromagnetic ecology. And there are, you know, these sort of electrodynamic entities that exist in their sort of self perpetuating self regulating plasma or, you know, like just think of them as electrical entities and

10:59 we used to be able to sort of understand like what they were, you know. You could sense them, you knew what their place was but now when we encounter them they're just sort of terrifying and we interpret them through the lens of this other sphere and we're not able to directly interact with the electrosphere We are seeing it through this layer that the technosphere which is dominated with ideas UFOs, spaceships and things. And so there's this sort of overlay that sort of muddies the water of our perception. And I think that there is always a way to drill down and disregard this past 200 years of coping and humanistic delusions

11:57 to sort of get through these things and drill down and see like what actually happened where, where we went wrong. What the reality is I think you can find your way back but the key is to sort of start from that sort of intuitive place where you remember that none of this is real like these things, this sort of radical departure from our real history, the good timeline of this past 200 years, the sort of material delusion. You know it's just sort of a dream you sort of remember Oh no, this is really real to sort of re enchant your perception and start from there and then you just look into the past and you can find your way that's kind of what I do as far as my research is concerned. And I usually start from that place of like okay, I know I can sense This isn't real. I know It's not let me drill down. And I always find you

13:00 some really interesting things. You definitely do and that is a great summary it seems like orientation and point of view and perspective is a big part of the language you use, its kind of the way we look at things and that of course has been manipulated and directed in certain ways, which obviously we'll get into. And your work also seems to have elements of Charles Forte I would say you throw in a little Velikovsky and dare I say David Huyck at times but you use the term divine reality a couple times which I think is kind of just saying how things would be in the unmanipulated world in the past perhaps and uh... you talk a little bit about

13:48 When you say knowing what this past was like and we can get there through diet, getting sunlight and structured water. All these things that are just kind of having a resurgence and people figuring out that the system doesn't serve us. We actually need to get outside those boxes cultivate our own strength mentally, physically our own health and all that kind of stuff. That's just really interesting that you can get to human optimization and then get glimpses or echoes of this past unadulterated reality. And just to get into the begonia stuff and add another layer to the mapping out of what reality is

14:30 This Beyond Magonia post, one of my favorites and you use the term crypto terrestrials here and there. And I hope the audience is aware of Jacques Vallée's book Passport to Magonia it's a classic but to quote this piece you write In the cosmologies of many indigenous tribes, we find a system of worlds arranged vertically or architecturally. There are worlds above and below. The earth is a floor for us but a roof for those beneath." Magonia is one such world, an aerial fairy realm whose inhabitants are known to have an intermediate resonance hailing from a realm of lesser density. Bodies composed of air their high dimensionality doesn't always translate the technology of their ships seems to produce meteorological effects including lightning and hail leading them to be maligned as

15:28 Tempestari or Storm Wizards. Since the frequency of their continuum is constantly subject to fluctuation, their craft often appear to merge or dissolve into clouds The Megonians are an example of Sky People, a European version of nearly universal folklore. However in Europe that knowledge was actively suppressed by church officials With a probability bordering on certainty the geometrical figures known as crop circles are navigational markers for Megonian sky sailors Their complex geometrical patterns form a kind of hyper-dimensional anchor point which can be seen regardless of Megonians' volatile resonance. Various transtates, psilocybin LSD or reading this article can facilitate mutual communication with these beings but also harbors in them the danger of being carried off to Megonia

16:21 which should be an extremely unpleasant, mostly lethal experience since humans usually are not suited to exist in a world with erratic vibrational frequencies." I mean that is so well written but i don't know how literally i should be taking what you're saying. Can you elaborate on these sky beans a bit more? I've had a lot of guests use that term plasma. I like that we're going in this direction...that they seem to be plasma or electrically based but How do these sky beans and their world fit into your wider construction of reality? Right. So I would have to say that, I use a metaphor here. So there are people that are known as targeted individuals right sure and what happens is their perception shifts and they're seeing two different worlds simultaneously right sometimes sometimes they're being tracked by

17:29 you know, government agencies that does happen. But I think a lot of the times what happens and this is also people that you know, people say they have schizophrenia That's a I don't believe in that i think it's a made up thing What usually happens as you're actually seeing something real but then it will behave in a way that's impossible for example maybe You'll see a helicopter in the sky right? And then there's an actual helicopter there but then your experience of it It's unnatural, the helicopter moves too quickly. It gets too close to you. Nobody else can see how close it is. It has all of these strange behaviors that has an aura maybe the light changes and maybe there's you know, of course different psychic effects where you can feel something in there like an after effect And it's very close and very similar in a lot of ways to UFO experience

18:22 There's a lot of the same markers there, the same data points occur. So that's basically what's happening with regard to people seeing skyships you're able to sort of shift your perception slightly and that's why it appears like ghostly and everything but all of these things are sort of happening all the time it's just you're seeing a sort of deeper aspect of Because you know for you in that moment the veil is thinner. Mm-hmm You're not as The hardening of the senses and the psychic numbing that's caused by, you know The man made foods and man made activities you haven't fully biomechanically converged with the mineralization Of the senses so you're able to perceive it in this

19:27 this other aspect of it. So yeah, a lot of people would just see a strange cloud fast moving cloud they wouldn't see the definition of the sky ship and that's why you can see this sort of steady decline of these phenomenon over hundreds of years You could look at chronologies from 1000 years ago and there would be skyship sightings like every decade somewhere in Europe or in the world Yeah, as time progresses or as we sort of you know de-evolve and lose touch with that kind of perception that kind of fluidity it becomes harder and harder to perceive these things. Like we're in just a human manmade bubble and we can't see outside of it but basically you're saying like in old texts and we have this perception that in the past they would say

20:28 You know, thunder is angels bowling. And we're like well now with our lab coats and our modern experts we know that it's just because the cold pressure is mixing with the warm front right and all this kind of stuff but you're saying there might be an underlying truth to the fact that things happen in our sky are effects from activities from something else up there that we don't see? Yeah I mean ultimately your dealing with I mean, what every single civilization in the world called the heavens. It's the realm of the gods have different deities of angels and demons and there is a sort of... There is a hierarchy there. There's a structure or scaffolding that you're dealing with so In a sort of very straightforward sense what you're dealing with is when you look up into the sky You are looking at a visionary medium

21:30 as far as you, as an individual. That's really what's happening it's a sort of reflection of your mental state so if you're in the 100% material state all you're going to see is a black sky some points of light You don't really see the full planetary light show that's going on all the time or most of the time It's not like people in the past were coming always seeing these things, but you know it was just more I would just say it was more diverse the things that they saw. The things that came down and that they interacted with sure sure and You are walking right into this next kind of thing I had planned But towards the end of the beyond Magonia post is one of my favorite things you've written It's long but you say oh

22:24 So here we will deploy our own correct mysticism. The sky is the reactive membrane between us and the heavenly realms in the heavens are angels and devils both, the sky is the screen on which we project our visionary experience it is what the scrying pool, the television, the black mirror, the screen of your phone pretend to be the sky The luminaries and weather events react to our minds, and vice versa. Signs and wonders are the heavens in conversation with the physical world. It is the boundary space between us and higher less physical realms." If you approach mechanically this boundary space increases elastically if you approach etherically it can contract to psychosomatic luminal astral and morphogenic contact

23:16 up to and beyond the point of physical change. It may impart blessings, curses or disappearances you can enter this sacred space through prayer worship and cutting all earthly anchors it is entirely possible in your astral form or in dreams to visit the palaces have the moon In reality I love this part mechanical approaches with rockets would be encountering a void and in this void suspension of natural law It is a decrease in information, a stretching of the boundary space until it contains nothing. Hence the decrease in breathable air, the lessening of gravity and eventually all matter." There's no such thing as a rocket-based approach to quote outer space. All the images of planets in science fiction and produced by NASA are esoteric visionary projections. This idea that heaven's luminaries are in the mechanic void

24:13 is a confusion of the sacred and profane designed to make you go insane. I just love that, the way you describe mental and mechanical approaches to penetrating the sky it's just amazing! And there are other posts where you mention casting our will and desires onto the night sky and extracting insight from the reflection... Man how would you help people try to get a sense of what you're saying here? Particularly this mechanical approach that we always see I've had a lot of guests throw shade at NASA for all their CG imagery and stuff But I still am curious what you think is going on there Well, let me start first through the paragraphs of some things people are going to their eyes are gonna roll in their heads They're not gonna hear they're not gonna hear this stuff. So psychosomatic luminal astral or morphogenetic contact is

25:06 First of all, like you can come into sort of direct contact with the sky and that is what a sort of abduction by the fairies would be or an abduction by UFOs. So it's going to affect you physically, you're gonna feel it, you're gonna have sensations that might be pleasurable they might be horrifically painful... It depends! And also morphogenetic meaning that it could change you, it could mutate you in some way it could possibly like you read the old chronologies that it could change. If a pregnant woman were to encounter one of these things, you hear all these old stories as well in folklore of women being abducted and coming back pregnant, he could sort of change your progeny your children can have an effect on your sort of genetic line. So there's that right? So it has all of these very powerful effects on people like you can't just

26:06 You know, people try to discount the whole thing with people that have had these experiences. But they are changed by them. I think the problem with what happens is that they create a sort of new age religion around it which isn't really... It really isn't helpful, I think, a lot of the time Next one next part is yeah, of course also in your dreams astral form you can definitely travel into these other realms and to the heavens Most of the time that's probably where you know, if you have a really good dream a really high Fidelity like very clear crisp dream. That's probably where you're going So I think what's happening with NASA is that there is some part of what they are doing? That is a kind of ritual like they are projecting consciousness by getting people to believe and their view of

27:10 what's up there, they're getting something out of that. I don't know exactly what but it would be the same as if I got a group of people together we all went out into the desert and invoked some kind of mystical experience invoke some kind of visionary experience and then I guided that and said okay this is what we're going to do We are going to all focus on the Megonians you know? We are going to think about skyships and focus on that, and then that sort of would guide our intent and guide our consciousness to that realm. So what I think they're doing—I say it here the brutish moderns—we should understand modernity as a form of barbarism, of deliberate directed planned barbarism

28:04 So their science fiction mystery cult, they're summoning or they're zero-ing in on a very specific type of spirit and a very specific type of realm. Which I think most people would consider you know if you look at the visionary materials that they provide or that science fiction provides it's always like especially the older that you know the farther back you go if you look at The Alien franchise I mean, a lot of the original older sci fi. A lot of these things were, I mean they were just demonic obviously and they're very grotesque and they all had a very either parasitic form or a symbiotic like they want to meld with humankind for some reason. They don't want to just visit, they want to change us and that's a theme that goes all throughout

28:59 Sci-fi and science fiction, and I don't really separate what NASA does and what like? What's on Star Trek. I believe it's part of the same visionary mission Mm-hmm well, I think that's fair to say there's that entry level point that people make, that Arthur C. Clarke kind of invented the idea of satellites. That there's a lot of stuff in the science fiction that ends up being invented later and there's also weird situations like The Titanic There is that book that was written by a guy connected to the military about The Titan before that whole event happened and this unsinkable ship hits an iceberg

29:45 And it sinks. So, it like rhymes exactly with a real story and to me that's some kind of experimentation with playing with reality I don't know what they're doing but you do see it a lot in sci-fi that ideas are seated in the consciousness if you can get a book out there to the people and make it popular then somehow things end up popping into reality Yep, I have done a little bit of research on the history of sci-fi and that's exactly right. I don't have...I kind of lost track if it is somewhere around but Arthur C Clarke was a big one and then there's basically all of them they've predicted so much of the world that we live in you know Of course you have Brave New World And HG Wells with his world brain

30:37 Book that he had which was it was more like political science But a lot of the things that they write about end up becoming real. Yeah, so you know there's the school that its all suppressed technology or It's like I'm saying here. It's it's a visionary experience and that's if you look at The origin stories of most of the technology that we have its Its like that it's people having these visions Very informative visions, you know very clear high-resolution Images of schematics things like that of like exactly how to build things So I think it holds true whenever you look at You know the origin story is like I just looked at Charles Babbage That he invented like the first computer and he was a practicing medium. You know right and he was you know basically a mystic

31:33 There's a big overlap there, I think between occultists and scientists that we have yet to really unpack. And where do they get their ideas really? I don't know man like i haven't really dove all the way into it that's one of the things i'm going to do...I'm writing a series right now Reality Ends Here yes and i'm on number two right now and i'm gonna do number three in a number three I'm going to go and unpack some of that stuff and bring it more into the psychic realm, in the spiritual and occult realm. And show how like all of these guys that created our computers and all this technology around they were

32:15 They were not normal people. They were not just like our vision of them, like tech nerds and things like that they were not like that at all. They were all visionaries. They were all extremely eccentric and they used this very magical poetic language to talk about the things that they were doing you get this sort of weird impression when you look back in there got the You know the time button down shirt And you know the thick rimmed glasses but that's completely false it's a meme mm-hmm This stuff makes me think about the 1984 analogy. In my world, everyone's always using the Orwellian 1984 analogy for the direction of the world and it's like well was Orwell prophetic or was he read in? Are we manifesting that because it is such a potent idea out in general culture now? It's like a really tricky thing to unpack like chicken-or-egg kind of stuff

33:12 Yeah, it is for sure. I would lean more towards it being a creating human weather right? That's what it's more likely to be because it's what we see happening today and I'm just sort of extrapolating from what I have firsthand experience. I see how they put things out there in the A B test things and you know they do all these little things these sort of mass rituals or whatever you want to call them simulations to like sort of prime the pump and get the mass consciousness ready. I do think there is also probably quite a bit of suppressed technology, i'm sure that goes on that's just common sense from my point of view yeah some of my favorite posts of yours are about suppressed technology and magic mirror one in two series but man there's just so much to your work! I wanted to jump over to a real isolated

34:12 Post about the great Chicago fire. It's one of my favorite subjects looking into historical events, oftentimes disasters and analyzing a lot of the details that don't add up with the cultural memory of what might've happened. And also sometimes speak to high technology that shouldn't be there. Charles Fort covered some great cases of this and it does make you feel like we are the property of something far more advanced than hidden from the main stage but to kick off this post, you write Was the Great Chicago Fire the result of a deliberate attack from crypto-terrestrial or breakaway civilization airships? Was it the wrath of God delivered onto a city that was filled with debauched fiends?

34:55 What's certain is that the truth of the Great Chicago Fire has been suppressed by our vile elites, perhaps because it was their own horrendous crime. Did they simply have foreknowledge of these catastrophes or could they summon them somehow? These are the questions I will answer first we must establish that the given narrative is unreliable or incomplete. The most obvious clue we have is the total lack of a fire signature on many of the buildings and rubble. History tells us of a firestorm that erupted in Chicago, but we see little signs among the ruins. We even see white paper signs untouched by flames." Man this is right up my alley! It makes me very curious. You also note that nearly every single North American city had a major or great fire over 150 year period all of them with strange anomalies

35:49 You say no one has done a deep dive on all the fires. There is yet only surface level speculation fielded towards the meta conspiracy." Well, help me make some sense of this and recontextualize it in accordance to the details that are often omitted or gloss over? Yeah I looked into this...I think this is something that I think a lot of people who are into Tartaria That's where I first probably saw it. And I wanted to figure out what actually happened and there are a few different events, where you look at it and you can see that cultural memory just sort of loses touch with it very quickly. One of those things is the Great Chicago Fire and also the Peshtigo fire as well that's connected to that. So let's see...

36:48 Yeah, you could look at this as a sort of summoning ritual like the way that if you want to look At what I was saying before like you could do a sort of A summoning ritual or you might know something is going to happen and sort of direct that energy in different ways. I think it's completely possible that You know small localized plasma events Happen and they're just completely suppressed or ignored And part of the reason for that is because we don't have the right model for understanding things. We just, people just think it's a fire or they think of it as an earthquake or something but they're not actually because the paradigm isn't correct all of the information is recorded or even perceived so a lot of these things get written down as tornado or this or that and in big one like

37:49 the Chicago fires and the Peshtigo fires which covered three or four states, and you have all of this testimony that was taken from that such as the fire balloons. Let me read about the fire balloons from here. An anonymous roaring sound was first heard. The balls of fire like meteors fell in different parts of the town igniting whatever they touched shortly after a horrible tornado enveloped everything in fire, smoke hot sand and cinders. So the order that things happen in will sometimes be reversed right? They'll say there was a tornado there was a fire tornado that was causing burning material to fly up at the air and then fall to earth but in actuality if you look at the source documents you see that

38:40 And then tornadoes would erupt out of the collision into the ground, which to me what I'm looking at is electrical phenomenon. All of this seems like huge electrical storms you know basically a plasma event that all of these things are sort of a subset of here we have Your readers may wonder what I mean by fire balloons and I confess that i hardly know myself. Right? I only use the term because it's so frequently used by others in conversation with me." There you have right there, there's eyewitness testimony and he's basically saying the simiosphere that we have-the sphere of signs and symbols that helps us to interpret what's happening around us is incomplete

39:30 It's not rich enough for me to tell you what actually happened. But he does his best, right? All the survivors with whom I conversed said that the whole sky seemed filled with dark round masses of smoke about the size of a large balloon which traveled with fearful rapidity these balloons would fall to the ground burst and send forth A most brilliant blaze of fire which would instantly consume everything in the neighborhood And these sound like plasma balls Which is something that when you research spontaneous combustion, you will run into that as well. Yeah, you'll run into sort of these just balls of plasma and they're called different things Willow wisps, fatness, morgana, uh, fattest Ignis and they have all these different properties and sometimes they behave with agency or intelligence or they seem to anyway so yeah I believe that's probably what's happening but it may also be possible for

40:31 there to be some kind of technology that causes this to happen. That brings it about and enables them to sort of target, do a certain degree because you know like I say elsewhere this happens to every single city in its all of this old architecture and let's just didn't happen in America has happened everywhere right? And those cities that escaped this destruction, this era, this like hundred years of destruction were later on Communists would go in and have this deliberate policy of destroying all these old buildings for a completely unrelated reason. But yeah, they would be raised to the ground and it was I think for the same reason it was the same purpose behind It was this sort of enforced planned barbarism you know that they kind of wanted to traumatize the population and create this sort of

41:32 You know, look at the architecture that came into its place. Just these sort of cube spheres, brutalistic architecture it's all very anti-human if you look at it, if you sped up, if you did a time lapse and looked at any American city It would honestly look like we were invaded by aliens. It would just, it's this completely you can see how it progresses how architecture changes and it slowly slowly organically develops over time and then suddenly within a span of 100 years, it's just these alien glass and steel structures everywhere that everyone really hates And they aren't conducive to human life in any way Yeah! And they're not even economic You know? That's just

42:19 They make no sense. piece of art. Every building is a piece of art as well, and it's really wild and there are just so many things you mentioned there that are interesting I looked into spontaneous human combustion last year too which was such a synchronicity because who is talking about that? Who is looking into that but those cases are really insane they are not people falling asleep in a chair or their bed with a cigarette in their mouth

42:58 really, really wild. And I just love this quote from Charles Ford that you put in that piece where he says I think that our data relate not to spontaneous combustion of human bodies, but to things or beings that with a flaming process consume men and women. It's like holy shit! That's just great. But in terms of the Chicago fire and the reporting of it at the time you also included this article from The Chicago Evening Post

43:33 the 16th of November 1871, right in the newspaper it says while large balls of fire were revolving and bursting in every direction igniting everything they came in contact with there can be no doubt that the air charged with electricity helped on the work of destruction and death. Mr A Kirby says he saw large bodies or balls of fire in the air, and when they came in contact with anything they would bound 30 or 40 rods away. Others testify that they saw large clouds of fire burst into fragments and in some instances great tongues of fire like lightning would issue from these dark clouds and light upon the buildings. Pennies were melted in the pockets of persons who were but little burned

44:23 A small bell upon an engine and a new stove, both standing from 20 to 40 feet from any building were melted. And that's very wild. You also note that a lot of key infrastructure like railroads and the mansions of the elite were not harmed in this event so there does seem to be maybe a possibility Directing it or having some foreknowledge because it didn't seem like random rolls the dice or a random really bad storm. Hurricane or something there's like an intelligence to it and avoided things that might have been asked to avoid but maybe this is like some demon made of

45:11 plasma that just ran amok. But it also reminds me not to get too thorny here, but if you read Dr Judy Woods book about 9-11 she is laser focused on one specific thing she doesn't care about the politics or who did it? She wants to know how these towers fell and she analyzes a lot of really specific little things and the line about pennies melting in pockets of people who were not really harmed Rhymes so well with what she would say. She's like look these little holes were created here while this isn't damaged at all

45:47 Like, no one really did that nuanced deep dive. She thinks it was some kind of technology, some technology that is hidden from humanity that did this and they said planes flew into it. So again, when we look at this old stuff and it's like well where are the modern examples? That could be one of an exotic technology used on us in a way that all we have to go on is the story they tell us. And it seems like the Chicago fire is similar in a way. I honestly don't know. I don't know if it was technology or if it was something more occult, or if it was a combination of the two. It could have been a few different techniques that were used and it might have depended on...I want to do a research project on all of the events, all of the cities but I'm probably going to need some help with that because that's going to be like a big year-long project

46:44 Well, I'm sure if you want to crowdsource that a lot of people listening would be keen to get involved. For sure. I really want to get to the bottom of that but there is here a quote that makes it sound like it was some kind of technology. Here's one thing that might show that it A number of these persons assert that they witnessed a phenomenon which may be classed with the marvelous. They saw a large black object resembling a balloon, which object revolved in the air with great rapidity advancing above the summits of trees toward a house which seemed to single out for destruction

47:22 barely had it touch the ladder when the balloon burst with a loud report like that of a bombshell, and at that moment rivulets of fire streamed out in all directions. Barely had it touch the ladder when the balloon burst forth... yeah, that to me sounds like some kind of guided weaponry." Right, and the official story of this event is that a horse knocked over a lantern and burned the whole city So let's throw that out there just so people are aware that The official story is completely bogus. And this was a very very weird event Maybe we were attacked from the higher realms That would yeah or Honestly like you could see why it would be suppressed if it was some kind of entity that was rampaging because

48:13 we had just newly settled this area or, you know there were a lot of people dying in this area at this time just living. What if whatever came was just attracted to all the death in Chicago at this time? All of the poor people that were just you know, it was just human carnage who knows but yeah I would like to get to the bottom of it but yeah that's how you know though that there is... It's not just a suppression of an event, there's also this kind of contempt because they put that story out there. That ridiculous story of a cow kicking over candle and if you just read half this article or 1 3rd of it, You see how far that is from reality? It's just it's just so absurd

49:06 Yes. And so I had a few other examples of little isolated incidents that kind of helped to build the bigger picture of this, like real continuum of lies and false history and hoaxes. And we're almost an hour in already. So I just before we close the first hour, I just wanted to maybe get a bird's eye view of the timeline of humanity and ask you a bit more about how the elite use the structures and the relationship between consciousness and reality, and our desire for narrative against us. Because we started with what is the real basis for reality? And its relationship with consciousness? Well it seems like The Elite have this mapped out pretty well, and they have weaponized it against us. You talk about

50:00 narratives versus like the divine reality. You talk about switching timelines and you talk about their need for us to participate, and I think that's all really interesting so like what is the broad view of how the elite over time have weaponized reality? And some of the mechanisms that were just kind of embedded with in reign supreme over us How did they get to the position that they're in and stay there and stay there? Okay, let's look at these events right you have different catastrophes You have a process of people that are let's say because the environment is changing. Let's say there's less energy available That sort of electrical plasma Environment that you know we probably used to live in

51:01 with a lot more phenomenon happening, it would be hard or impossible to deny that there was more to the world than what was in front of us. But as time progresses I guess it just gets easier and easier to sort of control people completely mechanically. Let's think about like this you have this sort of accelerating effort to make humans forget where they are and where they come from. You have sort of mass amnesia One of the things that I believe that's causing us to Goblin eyes as they say is the diet and that started with grain shifting from a meat based and you know sort of wild natural diet to this sort of grain based and Really strange unnatural repetitive activities which Sort of kill you psychically right like psychically numb you in castrate you

52:07 make it unable for you to sort of pierce the veil. The reason why you put these manmade foods out there is to grow the population, it's for more power, it's to secure yourself physically because the same process that's happening to us is also happening to them they're afraid of dying You see that with a transhumanist now the people that are in charge of everything now It's the same motivation They're doing all this research all these human experiments for control, but for control so that they can sort of stave off death or at least immortalize themselves in some way. You know through their control of the environment it's their way of coping with things So I see it like that I see this process of just diminishing consciousness diminishing psychic potency right because you wake up in the day

53:12 And we're all in this sort of kind of just a very passive, very receptive state. And then as you gain energy is your metabolism powers up, you get some sunlight, you get this ability to sort of enact upon your environment and sort of cut through nonsense. But some people don't wake up fully they don't completely you know gain consciousness throughout the day they they just sort of they get depressed They get sad because at no point did Did they rev themselves up enough? Did they get their psycho metabolism, up to a high enough point to where they could just sort of change something in there in their environment and their world and create like this small miracle. And once you do that, a couple times even in a small way, like you change the field of probability and you can get something You're like oh wow I didn't know I could do that. You know, you amp yourself up enough, you sort of are able to see through that but when your diet and your

54:16 habits, your rituals or you're not you don't even have rituals. Your habits are just like watching TV and eating man made or altered food. You know it's not natural it's not the complete thing that you need. Your'e not doing the things you need to do like hunting being outside. It's as simple as that looking at the looking at the stars and knowing it's not The void just like that, you know feeling the world around you in a sort of feeling that ether that you're in dropping into it so yeah I think that I mean I kind of rambled a little bit there but

54:55 But that's because I've never really tried to explain this before. Yeah, it's hard to put into words It really is which is why do the long form but let me see if I can be a little bit more concise and sum it up So yeah That's the essence of it just sort of getting your cycle. I think metabolism like the physical you know lifting weights being active Not just as a means to like look better or you know, whatever do something with your body But to get your psychic level up to a point where you can use that energy To change things around you in a very like in a very visceral direct way That's what all of these systems are keeping from doing the food the entertainment The kinds of work that are here. So yeah

55:48 You know, just try to overcome those things. And once you do you can see oh okay they're just afraid of dying. You see what's behind all these things and escape into necromancy and into wrapping themselves into technology to try to preserve the flesh and try to stave off all of the things that they're afraid Mm-hmm. Yeah, it kind of reminds me of Leonardo da Vinci's the truvian man the idea of microcosm macrocosm and divine proportion And the Phi ratio and all this sort of stuff that seems to be the divine code That we have completely ignored and instead of building amazing

56:33 sacred geometrical cathedrals, we build skyscrapers and we've just totally lost any aesthetic value to life or were just fooled by the razzle dazzle of Hollywood. And we think that is true art and it really isn't there's a couple of quotes here I have where you do speak this you say The real system of governance is not democracy or even oligarchy. It is this cybernetic management system, the theater of consciousness." And you also say we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal. These are the lines of code that created a false reality, a place that does not exist, a place where you were born, a cursed plane of emptiness and abstraction for all inherent quality, the genius and beauty and sacrifice of your ancestors

57:25 is leveled down to a self-germinating void, an empty floating signifier pointing to itself. Therein lies the aim of all their toiling This is why everything is based on hoaxes delusions frauds virtual realities To cultivate artificial life A being that is disconnected from the organic environment and disconnected from the vital impulse of creation I mean boom! There it is. Yeah, there I said it a lot better there which is why I write but thank you for having me on practicing talking about this stuff in a sort of more dynamic setting absolutely absolutely and

58:11 Finally, you know before I let you go we have talked about some pretty incredible things the depth of the manipulation of man through history and the corralling of us into this dead husk of a reality tunnel by the jester archons of The Infinite Hoax as you put it. And we know a new great reset operation is upon us. The dial on PsyOps is firmly in the red well We kind of talked about this a little bit, but since I'm going to tack this on to both the free and plus versions of the show. I want everyone to hear like some final thoughts in terms of how do we best navigate what seems like it's going to be an intense decade? What might you describe as the actionable intelligence in your work? Okay so one of the things that I talk about a lot is... It's a concept that Patrick Ryan he coined the term

59:07 Psycho security, but I have my own version of it. I believe that That I kind of have a cheat code of my own the reason why I'm like good at what I do and finding the research is because I have natural intuition and I've thought a lot about it and done a lot of introspection and I'm pretty sure that arises from What people call blood memory? And I think that the way to Awaken or you could call it a kashuk memory or whatever. You want to call it the way that you get that is through rituals and they should be rituals that resonate with you in this world that your Ancestors practiced, you shouldn't just make up something, you know so, you know for me That would probably be you know certain Catholic rituals putting meaning into that and I

1:00:05 Everything you do habitually becomes your ritual and Your consciousness proceeds out of those rituals It's what you have like who you are proceeds from those rituals And I think it changes it changes everything for you as far as how you integrate with these machines with these systems because I don't think there's any way to really like run away and do the Luddite thing, you know live in the mountains. This is going to be everywhere right? Ultimately there's no way to get away so my point of view would be only way out is through and that's just to You know Be completely anchored in the physical reality in your own psychic reality In The Divine And have rituals that align you with those spaces With those spheres of action

1:01:01 So for the physical, it's going to be like lifting weights going outside running around doing something physical play. You know for the mental it's gonna be you know try to read a book or just I just sit in the sun and just blank my mind out. I don't even know if its meditation but it works. It's just just blank out and you know sit there yeah whatever it is it has to be the thing that is most rooted in you Not just you as an individual but you as a part of this like living chain that goes back to the creation Of this world and that's gonna be, you know sort of ancestral rituals like and I don't just say do the Catholic stuff. I also try to You know look at some pagan rituals as well And that can be you know grilling meat it can be something really simple So yeah psycho security keeping your rituals in

1:02:04 making sure that the things you do are meaningful. And then also like when you go online, it's really important to not log on in the first two hours of the day or before your metabolism is keyed up there something called doom scrolling that a lot of people do is like there's like heavy doom scrolling and light doom scrolling. Heavy doom scrolling is where people just completely lose hours of their day and they're on Twitter and they're just going down and if they're really depressed And it turns them into what I call like a void tweeter where they're just shouting into the void.

1:02:41 Or you can do that with YouTube or any social media. You just start doom scrolling through it and then there's like light doom scrolling, which is what most people do like veg out and watch YouTube videos And they use social media in a very passive way It's not generative They don't go on and they don't have a mission They're like okay I want this kind of information or I want this kind of experience in this space They don't take it seriously there Just letting their time get chewed up by the time eaters. You could think of the simeo creatures that we talked about before, you could think of them in that sense as being these attendant entities that are hungry for that which is most precious like us going online and doom scrolling with this weird vegetative intention of just like giving our time over to them

1:03:35 It could be seen as a sacrifice, you know. Very powerful potent ritual that empowers them but leaves us like husks right? That to me is like the real matrix metaphor the real battery metaphor that's what you're empowering your empowering these virtual worlds and virtual entities So that's my method. Psycho-security, I'm going to give Patrick Ryan credit for coining it but all of the rest of the ideas about doom scrolling that's all mine That's my homebrew version of how to stay sane through the next alternate reality game that is coming down the pipeline Yeah so well said and its kind of like

1:04:22 You have to put yourself first because we are void of ritual and in that void is the doom scrolling and all this stuff. So go back to culture, heritage bloodline honor the ancestors Go back to prayer Consciously steer yourself towards your goals and fortify your mind and body. And when you do those things, there's not a whole lot of time left in the day for doom scrolling but if you put the doom scrolling first, you never get to The things that matter so yeah I think there is a lot of wisdom in that

1:04:58 Amazing stuff. I'm very grateful that you agreed to do this We didn't even talk about California as an island or out of place artifacts or the Hindenburg disaster hoax But, I hope we can do it again sometime in the future if the people respond like i think they will Give them your links Or any other follow-up info You might want them to have before we call it in Yeah, im on twitter at Oh, I forgot my Twitter handle. Real human Schwab, I think! Real human Schwab? That's so crazy. Real human Schwab that's me on Twitter and then um... My sub stack is schwabstack. So schwabstack at schwabstack Amazing yes people will really enjoy going down

1:05:45 the Schwab stack rabbit hole if they choose to, but this is just a taste and you are something special man. I really appreciate your time and what you do keep fighting the good fight and take care thanks a lot man thank you very much have a good night And a good night he did have. Yes, people! The real human Schwab in the flesh. You know I like to keep the lineup pretty diverse and cover a large array of topics but this kind of stuff is my favorite and i can't believe the material we left on the table. Schwabs sub stack is just my favorite and there's so many posts we could focus interviews on

1:06:28 There's a handful of substacks I've been following and really enjoying, but Schwab just nails it. I'm into his whole vibe, his subject matter, his writing style, his anonymous nature AND... His choice to use the guy from Twin Peaks as an avatar! Just all around, I'm a fan. Two of his best pieces are actually about the Hindenburg disaster, false flag & devastating loss of that technology I mean really you gotta take a look at the pictures of what this was like and then ask yourself why one disaster killed off an entire technology forever. Is that true for trains or ships like the Titanic or planes, anything else? Even a handful shouldn't be enough to lock something up until the end of time

1:07:20 But the other one would be his post about California being an island on a ton of old maps with an island of giants in the middle before you get to the mainland. And really that's all next time material but if you guys liked this, ya gotta let the man know! Shower him with praise and how could he not want to come back? Because I'm assuming that a lot of you guys are primarily in it for wild stuff like this And let me just read two quick paragraphs that I still have in my notes that i didn't ask them to elaborate on because we ran out of time but, I think you'll like. We are truly in a mirror reality the city of the magi it has revealed itself to be false many times over somehow were led into this labyrinth through a smoking mirror Into an image that at first mimicked a faithful copy of the sacred living earth

1:08:12 Fascinated by this reflection of the divine cosmic imagination, we fell across the threshold into this strange sublunar realm. In order for us to rewild our minds, restore our senses and return to the sacramental order... We shall find the mythical edge of this world made of words." So I say here is the way! The first telling of a tale is the truest. Hmmmm....I really like that and he goes on to say The modern man has been boiled in the dark waters of materialism. He believes in things like self-creating universes and self-birthing organisms! The god of modernity is a masturbating dragon wrapping itself ever tighter around the rational mind In the middle of that Ouroboros, is your conscious reality

1:09:03 constrained on all sides by a state of disenchantment. The germ of wonder sterilized, all arranged by powerful men that were fully enchanted, that practiced magic and used it to construct this current global order preserving for themselves a belief in a vast divinely constructed cosmos." Since at least the 15th century, a network of hostile economic elites have been working to transform humanity into a programmable golem Openly celebrating their own efforts, you simply insist on forgetting because you are insane. Seduced by the theater of the present. Fuckin' A right? But speaking of my notes... The Outline Auction is still happening! I got about a hundred up there and there's still a good number that don't have any bids so if your not picky but you stil wanted one that could be a good thing although the ones people want they really want

1:10:01 Some are getting up there but three days left in the auction at this point and a new batch coming online just before the first one ends. I didn't want to bring a laptop up to Mount Shasta, but i kind of have to get this done Hopefully I see some THC fans up there it's going to be a good weekend But a long drive for me...I think its a little over 11 hours And that is just the state of California for you It will be nice to drive through one more time before the long goodbye But I tell you this because there will be a slight gap in shows. I should have one back from our editor waiting for me when i return, but I'm gonna need some time because the day after I get back... ...I have an interview I've been dying to get for years actually! And thanks to our buddy Ron Patton producer of Ground Zero who used to co-host a few THCs with me back in the old old days Thanks to him it looks like it's finally happening

1:11:01 I never celebrate until we're actually pressing record because just having something on the schedule is never a guarantee. I've learned that long ago, but if it happens, people will be quite surprised and excited for it! This guy would have a star on the conspiracy walk of fame... let's just say that. Once I get that recorded, I'll get back to turning good stuff around to you Also, I gotta thank Chasing Maxwell for his rendition of today's theme song. I liked this one and thought it sort of had an 8-bit or video game kind of sound And that's appropriate for this show especially if you heard the second hour! If you are musically inclined... ...I would love to hear a take of your own at TheHigherSideChatsAtGmail.com I don't have many left in the chamber so i'm just gonna go back to randomizing them I guess

1:13:52 But before we call it in, we always got to take a peek at the THC meetup calendar. Just going to plug the February events again but we got the HireSoup Meetup with Gordon White at Foxglove in Wellington New Zealand February 11th this Saturday and also this Saturday an event in Mount Pillier Vermont The 15th we've got the Seattle Inquisition coming around again This is at least four or five for them, I think. And the Sinspiracy Monthly number two February 17th Blue Ash Recreation Center in The Hunt Room in Blue Ash Ohio so not too late to add more to that last week of February if you got a light calendar let's get something on the books hop over to highersidemeetups.com make an event it's easy I'll read it and people will show up

1:14:50 And if you hear about one in your area, please use the RSVP system so the host knows that they won't be alone. It's just good manners and I think good manners we must have but it's fun meet other locals that you know are of a certain caliber and build out your network of people who also know the value of doing so! That's pretty much it Shoot Schwab a hi there and hello on Twitter at RealHumanSchwab. He also does occasional spaces there too, which can be themed or kind of like live Q&As about his work. And if it sounds like you'd enjoy reading this work sign up for his substack at schwabstack dot sub stack dot com and tell him that Carlwood sent ya! Well I gotta go i'm hitting the road bright and early but i'll see you next week.

1:15:42 Your move, plasma weapon wielders, upper plane entities and jester archons of the infinite hoax. Your fucking move! From space it was falling Its light started calling It's making crop circles again Just as I was looking up it showed me all the hidden stuff And now I'm all enlightened and zen The masses is hard Silver ships Now I'm not asleep, don't obey the elite. Got a beam to the head, well start to wonder now we're not the sheep that they bred us to be. Got a beam to the head! Now we start to wonder how we start to wonder... See a new path of corruption and crap since the visitors set me straight

1:16:52 I encouraged you to go when you see the saucers glow up on a wake. Mass is his heart, silver ship's yard Now we're not asleep Don't all gotta beam to the and we start to wonder No were not the sheep that has to be beamed to now We start to wonder You'll see these things up in the sky Just as the system starts to die Balls made in extra belly rake This time we have faith Cause we're not the sheep that they put us to be Beamed to the hair, now we start to wonder Now we're not asleep cause we got THC

1:18:24 Now we start to wonder