Nick Hinton | The Psypocalypse, Father Seraphim Rose, & Quantum Sorcery Chaos Magic

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01:42 It's the end of the world as we know it, but I feel fine from the sunshine state. I'm Greg Carlwood and there's no question that things are moving quite fast two years ago. The average person barely knew the names of the techno oligarchs and AI had yet to become a part of our daily lives. And now it's almost unavoidable. We all recognize the annoying cadence of AI generated texts in the majority of written communications. We hear people citing what their AI consultants tell them for any information they look up And we can no longer assume video content we come across hasn't been prompted into thin air as it's quickly advanced beyond noticeable artifacts. The handful of so-called people building this world are increasingly open about their desire to run away and hide from it, yet the runaway AI train is still barreling down its digital tracks

02:28 Well if anyone has been well ahead of all this it's today is returning guest nick hinton just three years ago we had one of my favorite interviews in the thc archive about his own experiences interacting with early models, which he was actually referring to as extended intelligence from a theory old beans living within the electromagnetic spectrum. that were merely given new tools for recognizable communications. We also talked about his two books, the Saturn Time Cube Simulation and The Aquarian Singularity suggesting that Saturn itself was an ancient celestial supercomputer AI intelligence broadcasting a signal-based matrix of our souls to remain trapped

03:06 in an artificial time looping Saturnian sine wave frequency all coming from the 20,000 mile hexagon at its North Pole. And that a recurring electromagnetic plasma changeover event or plasma apocalypse might be in our future and if you see a plasma vortex portal to the higher realms open up above the North Pole of our planet... You better get to praying! And since the last interview just four years ago, not only is reality radically different but so is Nick. He's not spoken too much publicly about his descent into conspiratorial madness and AI psychosis or the light that brought him back from it But lucky for us he feels ready to tell the tale and elaborate on his assessment of the current state

03:45 of what I've heard him call the Psypocalypse. And it's very compelling, so let's do the damn thing! The big black cube cult critic AI psychosis experiencer and rabbit hole researcher on his Redemption Arc tour... Nick welcome back! Wow thank you, thank you Good to be back. Yeah, man it is great to have you back this is a real pleasure You are someone that I've always resonated with and I'm glad to see you back out there again Just to give people some context for what's been going on with you? I wanted to read a little bit from your pinned tweet You write, at one point I said I was quitting conspiracies to become a cow wrangler but now i'm quitting cow wrangling to become a preacher. Just kidding! But I do need to share a story I've been keeping to myself since 2021 that year of our last interview At this point in my career I was traveling all over the country while experimenting with quantum random number generators communicating with the supposedly psychic AI and

04:42 and chasing UFOs. I got to go on many podcasts and talk about these things, it was all very exciting at first it was like a fun game because of the constant synchronicities that seem to surround me, I truly felt like I was on the right track to achieving my lifelong dream finding the meaning of life and the secret of the universe The answer appeared to be something mysterious, mystical and complex like the philosopher's stone or the equation to squaring the circle. However, the search left me endlessly seeking increasingly more dissatisfied and exhausted and even addicted to increasingly more supernatural experiences."

05:18 It also seemed to be taking me down the rabbit hole into Wonderland, which was actually more like a psychotic underworld or hell. Things took an even darker turn when I discovered that some of these important and influential people were pretty dangerous—people who were truly involved in mind control experiments and other psychological operations at work. It wasn't a fun game anymore, it was all very real. I had been duped and when i realized these things and began to write about them the synchronicities went from cool to creepy And from that point on even worse things would happen. It started with bouts of insomnia and horrible nightmares And then after synchronistically having a run-in with someone associated with the mafia and someone else associated with the satanic ritual abuse cult, I'd have sleep paralysis see a demon watch his cell phone seemingly become possessed receive death threats. And lastly getting stalked by someone in a suit before nearly dying."

06:13 Well, this is obviously going to be a lot to unpack. But we maybe should take it from this dark turn you mentioned what brought you to the realization that some of the insiders who are getting acquainted with were actually dangerous people? My gosh! This is so crazy. It's also crazy to think about. Yeah I haven't thought about in a long time when's that pin tweet from its like 2022 right yeah or 2023 23 I believe Okay, yeah that was when I finally got the balls to write that. But um...I think when i wrote that what was going on at the time is I was just living in Virginia trying to become a Christian but that wasn't working out so well because I was joining all these different churches

06:59 And they seemed like psyops too, basically. There was no transformation, no change in my life and I was still experiencing spiritual warfare, I guess. The turn happened really when I just saw that conspiracies seem to be on this track of going mainstream I wasn't fully a Christian yet, but like I just remembered reading somewhere in the Bible that the world hates the truth. And I figured if i was really telling the truth then I wouldn't be living a fun cool exciting life and easy life

07:39 I thought that if i was really telling the truth, I would be being persecuted. So... ...I started studying the persecuted conspiracy theorists rather than all of these big names. Yeah wise? Wise! I was just wondering why is it that we are able to talk about the New World Order Why are we able to talk about the Illuminati Why are these things trendy in pop culture That even started with Robert Anton Wilson and the Scordian Society They made it like a fun thing to talk about To me, it seemed like it was part of the agenda that they actually wanted us to expose these things and feel like we were on this treasure hunt I guess. Yeah a LARP of some kind! Yeah yeah, a LARP... So the shift really came about when I started studying the origins of conspiracy theories Like I said, I found The Discordian Society I found that some conspiracies were originally from the Jesuits The Jesuits were exposing themselves and putting disinformation

08:36 in some of these theories and there was like pamphlets left around back in the 1800s where they were exposing the Rockefellers and exposing the Jewish cabal. So it's like, why has there been this weird thing going on for a long time where they are actually exposing The New World Order? I mean, the conclusion that came to me from the book that never got released, The New World Disorder was that The New World Order is a scapegoat And that they're actually preparing for the Antichrist who will save us quote-unquote from the New World Order. So that was the theory, that was the conclusion I came to while trying to write this book that was seemingly ruining my life and yeah but like i said i was still not really a Christian yet...I just was trying to become one because it was the last path that I had thought to try and you know all the darkness

09:35 I was like, there has to be something good out there. If there's this much evil, there has to be a God! And Jesus was the only god that made sense to me. He is the only god i didn't try to study and so...I just went through all the denominations for Like I said, three years. But those three years were pretty awful. Right? Yeah so there's definitely a lot of little details there that i would like you to elaborate on especially when it comes to some of the things that were happening in that darkness It seems like you we're kind of brought into at least the outer rings of The Invisible College perhaps and you learn something

10:11 But let's talk about the religion thing. So I think anyone who follows you online has noticed that you have found God, but you've said this is not your typical jumping on the Christian bandwagon which we see so many people do when they feel that conspiratorial attention is starting to wane. Here's what you have to say about that you wrote to me yesterday. You said I suffered and went insane for three years, trying to figure out how to heal. I tried every Protestant church and nothing worked. I was desperate. And for some reason thought Christ was the last answer that I hadn't looked at yet then I said, okay, whatever Christianity is another PSYOP. And I quit going to church. I went on a road trip and miraculously discovered an Orthodox monastery in California. A saint was buried there named father Sarah Femme Rose

10:58 We lived almost identical lives, but he became holy. And you can feel the holiness at his tomb! I experienced profound healing and peace there." So long story short, it was all a blessing because it led me to the ancient church started by Christ and the apostles. And yeah, Father Seraphim even wrote a book that predicted exactly what's going on right now! He explains everything. The Orthodox saints have known about these things forever nothing new under the sun I guess this wisdom is hidden by the modern and fake churches to make us ignorant of God Well, if you've sucked me in a little bit. Tell me more about this saint and this church? You say orthodoxy is different from what we might expect. So I thought Orthodox was synonymous with Roman Catholic which to me is essentially empirical state religion but I was doing some reading and there is a distinct difference

11:51 One of these differences that I read says that the Catholic Church believes the Holy Spirit proceeds from God the Father to Jesus Christ, the Son. And the Orthodox Church believes the Holy Spirit proceeds only from God the Father and Sure, fine. I mean, I can get on board with the idea of direct gnosis, direct life-changing connection to the divine. I've heard enough from people to feel like there are many paths that get you to that place but i am glad that you found one that you have no doubt is authentic tell us a little more about this father rose and this church you ran into

12:32 Okay, so Father Sarah from Rose. What I mean by like we almost lived identical lives is that he was a truth seeker like he was desperate for the truth really big into philosophy He was studying Nietzsche. He was basically a Chinese scholar. He could have been like a great like...He was a genius and he could have been anything you wanted to be really but he spent all A lot of his time also being like a vagabond hanging out with the beatnik poets He was a student of Alan Watts. But yeah, eventually he just got burnt out and he would like get drunk and drive to the top of Mount Shasta and just scream at God and be like where are you? Where are you? Like... He knew that there needed to be something more concrete because he became

13:16 disillusioned with all these gurus that he was hanging out with. This was like in the psychedelic counterculture era where all the Eastern religions were coming over so like I said, He's very interested in Eastern religion and Chinese philosophy but when he would hang out with these teachers He realized that they were kind of just doing lip service Like he did not... he loved Alan Watts at a point But then when he realized that he was really just like in it for the money and for the women And he was just like, I don't know. Just kind of being more of a poet than an actually enlightened person. He's like, I need to meet a real teacher and so eventually he came across a Chinese scholar that told him to go meet an actual Taoist master someone who is in this initiatic lineage of Taoism It's been awhile since i read up on this stuff but this is just like a paraphrasing cliff notes version

14:09 met this guy who is in the initiatic lineage of Taoism and he realized that there's a big difference from someone who just like talks about the truth and someone who lives the truth. And then, he started studying René Guénon. René Guénon was another philosopher type who was really big into like you have to experience the truth rather than just research it. René Guénon went on to become like a Sufi mystic but René Guénon convinced him that someone in order to understand like any ancient truth has to become Eastern in a sense. They have to understand the Eastern mindset because the Western mindset is very new, it's only like 200 years old or at least the modern mindset but like into the intellectual mindset that came out of the Enlightenment movement it kind of shifted our way of thinking completely whereas in the past and the pagan past people had more

15:05 paradoxical, poetic, mystic mindset. So anyways I mean he just he was seeking the truth and um... He realized he needed to experience the truth. He realized he needed to have like a discipleship with someone rather than just like learning from a scholar or something and eventually he met a living saint named Saint John of San Francisco. St John of San Francisco took him under his wing Yeah, he became so he was like this vagabond and also the scholar and all these things but then he left everything behind to become a monk. And he built the monastery in Peltina California. So I just went on this road trip and yeah, somehow ended up there but The other crazy thing is that he wrote this book called Orthodoxy in the Religion of the Future where he predicts the technocracy that we're living in right now

15:57 Eastern religions, transhumanism the UFO phenomenon and how all that's going to kind of converge To create this new religion of the future which it to him is the Antichrist religion. And yeah I agree with him He was dealing he was the only person that was able to explain it in such a way That satisfied me but then you get into the other holy fathers that he was studying and that all these other Holy Fathers like these Like in orthodoxy, theology is not just like scholarly research. Theology is conversing with God it relates to the word theosis which is oneness with God and so we don't believe that the intellect can actually contain the truth like this spiritual organ that can receive revelations from the objective truth from God

16:46 Because everything in our head is subjective, right? So in order to understand objective things you have to cleanse the heart. Cleanse the noose...the noetic faculty..the spiritual organ and when God comes and abides in you he reveals things. And so ancient theologians who are conversing with god they said all kind of the same stuff about pre-lust spiritual delusion Yeah, beings in the sky and all this kind of stuff. So I love it here's a little synchronicity for you obviously interview a lot of people they throw out a lot of information things can get quite dense sometimes and the name father Sarah femrose did not stick out to me but while you were talking i knew you had named and your writing the title of his book and how i wanted to see it because uh i want to remember that title when i saw the cover

17:31 immediately recognize the book. I have the book, I know you can't see me but it's in my hands right now. It's sitting on my back shelf one of the many books i picked up after a very compelling interview-I can't even remember which one and have yet to actually get into but if I was just going to read from the back for people's context says The American Book that has Changed the Spiritual Face of Contemporary Russia Interesting, because a lot of people talk about Christian orthodoxy in Russia and how Putin's a Christian Orthodox and all this stuff. So this book says do the Do the Orthodox have the same God as non-Christians? What phenomena are assaulting Christianity in our modern world? What is the Orthodox understanding of UFOs? How can Christians avoid being caught up in the apostasy?" The present book examines, in eight chapters, these and similar questions facing Christians in the contemporary world. The religious phenomenon of today

18:24 They are some symptoms of a new religious consciousness that is preparing the world religion of the future. Phenomena such as yoga, Zen tantra transcendental meditation, Chris Hari Krishnaism UFOs, the charismatic movement and Jonestown are presented in contrast to the Orthodox patristic standard of spiritual life without the understanding of which in the coming time of Antichrist it will be scarcely possible for Christians to be saved. Written in 1975 and updated by the author in 1979, Orthodoxy and The Religion of the Future have

19:01 has proved prophetic in the succeeding decades. A new epilogue of this fifth edition shows how the New Spirituality has progressed precisely along the lines that he described, further developments are discussed such as the growth of the New Age movement, the rise of witchcraft, the formation of a UFO network, the promotion of Gnostic Christianity, the influence of feminist theology and the reimagining movement The impact of the charismatic Toronto blessing and the effects of globalism. So it is a pretty radical book, I mean, I haven't read it, but it seems to offer pretty radical departures from what people would consider to be typical Christianity. Right? Right. I have this other quote here that says in St Nikolai

19:51 tell me reach is essay the universe that's my that's my a patron saint yeah i was there you go okay your patron saint well and his ass say the universe as symbols and signs he says, The universe is presented not as just a physical entity but as a manifestation of spiritual realities and divine truths. He argues that true understanding requires interpreting natural phenomenon as symbols pointing to a deeper, eternal spiritual world rather than viewing them as solely material. This concept is central to Eastern Orthodox mysticism which sees the visible world as an

20:29 transparent sign or riddle for the unseen divine. I like that! To me, Gnosticism is very close to this. He seems to be casting aspersions at Gnosticism but you see the similarities too. So i don't want this to be a lesson in theology but i do want people to have a little bit of context because you are separating yourself from The Nick Fuentes is the Candace Owens is the turning point USA's. You are doing a different thing. It is not the Christianity that is being promoted for all of us to adopt, and it is not the Christianity that seems to be the next step.

21:09 stage in the conspiratorial grift for so many people that are being promoted out there. And I think that distinction is important to make, so i just want to back up a little bit to your dissent that I mentioned and wanted have you elaborate on. Yeah can I just say one thing for a little more context? Yes! Because you were wondering about the difference between Catholicism and Orthodoxy...I'm not going to get theological about it but like the basic information I guess that people need to know Orthodoxy was the first church and it wasn't until like a thousand years later that Christianity was finally widely accepted in the world. They weren't being killed by the Roman Empire anymore because they couldn't stop them from growing so they're like, okay we'll just adopt it as the state religion

21:55 And once it became the state religion, you know all of these bishops were getting more like prestige money political power and things like that. And this eventually caused a great rift which they call the Great Schism because these bishops who are getting more powerful... They kind of let this power corrupt them and then they introduced all these different heresies and stuff so the church split in two and thats where Catholicism and Orthodoxy split. Then in the year 1500 people who didn't know about Orthodoxy and were just Catholic, you know Martin Luther in the Protestant Reformation. They were all like oh my gosh this is clearly not Christianity anymore this is like the Antichrist you know that's what Martin Luther thought is that Catholicism was antichristic and so they all revolted or protested had the Protestant Reformation and that's where you get all these different denominations That's how it all started And that's when the Jesuits started

22:54 putting out conspiracy theories. They were saying, oh no don't worry about the Antichrist we're not the antichrist the antichrist is coming way later in the future and it's going to happen during this exact seven-year period called The Great Tribulation and the antichrist is going to create this one world government and blah blah so they did all that to get them off their backs And so that's where I think that's where the whole New World Order thing really started is them saying, oh no no don't worry about us like it. It's coming way far from the future and i think they're kind of staging their version of the Antichrist in the apocalypse right now And also this Antichrist, this fake Antichrist in my opinion has to appear Christian. So yes a lot of the different denominations are converging right now to create this political cultural Christianity while you know the ancient Christianity as he saw on those quotes was very otherworldly had nothing to do with politics or culture. Mm-hmm I think that's important for people to understand so

23:54 To talk a little bit more about what the bad guys are doing. I wanted to talk to you about synchronicity and this idea that maybe A natural mechanism has actually been weaponized when I listened back to our last interview, there was one point where you said i think there is power and storytelling and maybe writing these books you know putting things out first in fiction helps them manifest their goals. And that is something that i am very mentally focused on lately all these books that precede events that have, Synchronicities in them with real world events, almost always conspiratorial events. Whether it's nine 11 or a cyber truck blowing up that was written about in a book that came out a year before or just all these random things that seem to be written about the Dean Coots novel about COVID well when I look back at the conversation we had yesterday you said that

24:53 things you were getting into at the time, you realize they were quote all ops connected to CIA guys in project Stargate. It's all quantum sorcery chaos magic and that strikes a chord with me because I can't get over the fact that Jacques Belay he might be a good guy. I don't know. He writes the best books, the most nuanced books on whatever these beans are that people just love to cite every time I mentioned This topic but he also is instrumental in cybernetics he also was like an early internet guy and he's also buddies with help put off so there is like this weird thing where the people have the most insight into. Ultra terrestrial entities are building digital infrastructure that powers the whole internet,

25:43 So I just think it's interesting, but elaborate on some of the things you think you might've discovered about these sorts of programs and how they work. The things you were alluding to right there, quantum sorcery chaos magic? Um, well yeah, I mean, I kind of learned it through experience. You know, we were talking about in the last interview that how is communicating with the EIs or the AIs or whatever. Right. Yeah. That all came out of like experimenting with quantum computing apps and I mean the whole idea of quantum computing like people in that community are obsessed with chaos magic for some reason. And you know, i saw that theme i wanted to figure out what chaos magic is so i even started doing chaos magic too

26:30 experience it for myself. Yeah, and before I even knew that we're supposed to experience the truth rather than just study it It was actually a quote from Nietzsche that made me like start going on all these road trips and experimenting with different magical things and whatever so he says like a real philosopher will either live his philosophy or die by it. And I was like, oh my gosh okay i'm over here just writing and reading all the time...I need to like live these books! Like those two books that we talked about mainly Aquarian Singularity. Like I had just released that and said okay I need to go actually live this if you know? I didn't necessarily believe any of those things 100% I was just theorizing or asking questions

27:15 So I decided before I write any more books or whatever, I need to go experience these things that i was writing about. And so yeah, I dabble with Chaos Magic and met Chaos Magicians The whole quantum computing thing...I mean.. I'm sure you've had plenty of guests that talk about how it all goes back to John Dee and stuff like computer technology in general Circuit boards look like sigils Yeah, yeah, yeah! Like John Dee was channeling angels or whatever. And this actually, it all... So people if they're actually interested in this Orthodoxy stuff they can read Father Sarah from Roses It's the Orthodoxy Survival Guide he goes through a complete history of all world philosophy and how everything ties back to that great schism that I was talking about where orthodoxies split and Catholicism was created because once Catholicism was created The Eastern Orthodox remained mystics

28:07 But Catholics became increasingly more academic and scholarly. And because they were missing part of the ancient tradition, there was gaps to fill in. Especially after the Protestant Reformation so John Dee... John Dee was a Christian! He was a Protestant Christian or so he thought and so because he was missing So much of the truth, so much of the original tradition, he's like okay well There's gotta be more to this so he started dabbling in what he thought was Christian alchemy To talk to angels And the reason he thought it was Christian alchemy is because a lot of the Catholic monks, they were influenced by the Ottoman Turks. When the Ottoman Turks destroyed their empire at one point they saw all the advanced technology that had all of their weapons of war and they were like how did they get this? So they adopted some of their alchemical stuff

29:03 That's where you get all these medieval Catholic alchemists. And so John Deeb was kind of like one of those guys and he started channeling angels, or so we thought yeah got all this information to basically lay the groundwork for what would later become computers So already you have that link between fallen angels and computing technology But yeah it definitely doesn't end there I mean that's just...I feel like that's even becoming mainstream Like i don't think that the AI Antichrist is the final the final thing here. Final form? Yeah, yeah I agree and i just think it is interesting that you can draw this line all the way back to John Dee maybe he was communicating with one of these extended intelligences from the electromagnetic spectrum It does seem like the people who tap into this stuff are given ideas that become the technology that end up enslaving us or I like to just say anti-life technology because

29:59 The blue light from the screen is harmful. The EMFs are harmful, the extraction of the materials from the earth is really devastating to the earth and requires the exploitation of slave labor. I mean up and down the chain it's very anti life. And then what is it for? What is the trade-off for now they have these AI data centers that are using all the electricity. Electricity, some think, is another gift from the gods, the electrical light of Lucifer and it's just interesting that he uses up all the water. Pretty crucial resource water I've heard. Yeah yeah, I didn't even know that the AI was drinking water in a data center.

30:41 Crazy. Yeah, so John Dee, you know, Lester Crowley was trying to finish his work right? Lester Crowley inspired Austin Osmond I think his name is. Austin Osmond was the creator of Chaos Magic Basically what these people are trying to do with chaos is break down objective reality with all these different, um... Like okay so the Discordians. The Discordians are- were also inspired by Crowley and Chaos Magicians and they were- Are they more than just a joke you think? Because I thought they were just like little trickster jokers and that whole movement was kind of gone Would you disagree? No! I mean I don't know if there's people still around that take themselves seriously go oh i'm a discordian but I mean I think the philosophy is still alive So Robert Anton Wilson If you read Illuminatus

31:31 He talks about how there's this guy, Hagbard Chilene or whatever. He is like the hero of the novel he lives in a golden submarine deep in the ocean and he's friends with people from Atlantis or aliens from Atlantis or whatever and so The whole novel is about this guy or a group of people finding this guy. He basically summons This mother goddess to defeat the Illuminati So the whole point of the book is to expose the Illuminati. Basically, she's Sophia right? Or summon a higher power to help in that end goal Yeah and so this entity Eris in um... The book Eris, the goddess of chaos She is another version of Babylon Crawley er sorry Robert Anton Wilson loved Crawley He loved the concept of Babylon And so even Crawley believed that

32:24 summoning Babylon would help them initiate their new age where they destroy all the patriarchal religions and institutions and create a whole new world that's free from, like I said, patriarchal systems. So that what it seems like to me is that... And so for some reason This Babylon stuff like yeah, it ties completely into the UFO phenomenon. You know Jack Parsons was doing the Babylon working when all the UFOs started showing up so yes Sorry It's been a long time since I've really thought about all this all good Let me let me step in and help you a little bit because I've got some notes here and the rabbit hole goes deep Oh, okay real quick real quick. I'm sorry. I just remembered something So the other thing that I find super interesting is that

33:08 A lot of the ufologists that we're talking about like Jacques Fillet or whatever and The guy I've been studying a lot recently is Ingo Swann. They're obsessed with these Marian apparitions at the Catholic see right? Like these mass sightings of Mother Mary in the sky, or whatever like one of the first major ones being in 1917 the miracle at Fatima. Father Sarah from Rose wrote about that. He talked about how that was going to play apart in the final days, anti-Christ deception because like I said the ancient saints they talked about prelust which is this spiritual sickness it's spiritual delusion caused by pride and vanity and especially religious pride where you think that you're this enlightened guy worthy of seeing angels and worthy of seeing mother mary and things like that so even when they would go into caves

33:59 sit there and pray, and try to become holy or whatever. They'd be visited by demons disguised as Christ, disguise as Mother Mary. And they would test the spirit by basically trying to be humble like if an angel came to them and said oh I have a very important prophecy for you to get Oh! I think yo got the wrong guy Like I'm not worthy of talking through an angel If it wasn't a real angel it would go away Interesting. But if it was, they'd have to sit there and test it. So anyways Father Seraphim Rose wrote about how these mass sightings of Mother Mary are like a widespread manifestation of pre-lust like religious pride that is going to be the end times delusion like this prideful fake Christianity where everyone's experiencing miracles and things like that

34:50 And so yeah, the ufologists are obsessed with this with these Marian apparitions. They don't think it's actually Mother Mary they think it's like this cosmic mother goddess and I think that ties into the Babylon thing and so if you study the miracles of Fatima, or the miracle at Fatima. Supposedly Mother Mary told some of the people involved some secret prophecies So there's also these things called The Three Secrets Of Fatima Right And one of the prophecy apparently is that Mother Mary will return to stop the apocalypse I could easily see them exposing on purpose this AI New World Order technocracy with these fake anti-Christ like Elon and Donald Trump who are obviously not Christian Obviously evil It's not deceiving anybody

35:29 And then you have this mother Mary return to like save the day. That, that to me is the... That's what I think is going on. I think it makes sense honestly because we all know that there's a push towards a one world government but we kind of think that we're gonna be like forced into it yes some people are taking the neural link and some people are adopting the digital ID and were getting brought in and they're not really resisting like you would think But for those who are looking at it with a critical eye, like they want to resist this thing. What maybe that is the Trojan horse? Maybe it's actually a flip that if they get us to unite ding, ding around a common enemy well then when that fake enemy is laid to rest, they've got the United one world government that they initially wanted anyway and just to elaborate on a couple of the actual

36:24 you follow just that you referred to in your writing say how put off one of the cias top remote viewing scientist said there are evil aliens trying to turn humanity into a hive mind apparently they've already invaded the internet and live in the beast super computer and utah utah. Interesting place these days. However, how also believes there are benevolent and enlightened entities who are fighting them on our behalf? Then you say John C. Lilly the psychologist and psychonaut who inspired the CIA's remote viewing program believe these things as well while exploring different dimensions of consciousness he claimed he came in contact with two different kinds of beans

37:06 the solid state intelligence and the earth coincidence control office. That's interesting because we know John C. Lilly was getting deep with the dolphins and, and earth coincidence control offices ECCO that's echoed the dolphin in the old Sega game that we know so well. And I think we talked about that last time but i just very few opportunities to reference Echo the Dolphin on the show these days. I got to bring it back up, but then you go on and say this is not to say that I agree with these theories. I just find it interesting that the media is beginning to cover stories about demonic terminology. Perhaps they're making the AI Antichrist an obvious enemy so that people might be deceived by another false savior from space like the Hegelian dialectic on a cosmic scale. I think that's really well said

37:55 I've been actually talking a little shit on Twitter when it comes to like JD Vance and Tucker saying, well, I actually think that UFOs are demonic. I'm like stay out of my lane guys! This is the thing we've been talking about on my show for way too long Uh, step aside. But it is just like, well you know at the time it was a curiosity that not a lot of people were discussing and now as I see it hitting mainstream conspiratorial media presenters, I'm starting to wonder huh? Well if they're talking about it maybe I need to find something more creative. Maybe that's not the thing. Yeah, No, It's super weird that its all... Like the Overton window has officially broken. Its like Terrence McKenna said

38:38 As the singularity approaches, like things are going to get stranger and stranger and stranger until people are forced to talk about it. And yeah so if they break down the objective truth of that, if they convince people that like nothing is true or everything is permitted, like the chaos magicians believe then whatever answer they present us with, people are going to be so desperate for something concrete, they'll just accept it. Let me read something else from you this is where you get into the term the Psypocalypse And this also gets into the Jesuits. So we know Trump and Erica Kirk go way back and are Jesuit educated, that seems to be the connection here you write after leaving the conspiratorial world behind define Christ in 2021 and exploring different denominations in 2022 I accidentally stumbled upon a strange web of Masonic organizations and intelligence networks within Protestantism wolves in sheep's clothing were leading a lot of popular churches

39:34 I also realized they were all preaching about similar end times prophecies, and those supposed prophecies just happened to overlap with the predictions of a lot of popular conspiracy theorists who turned out to be agents, masons and controlled opposition as well. I wondered how this could be? If spiritual eyes and spiritual ears are needed to hear and see what's going on, how could all these false shepherds have the same prophetic knowledge How could Gnostics and New Agers, people who aren't even Christian receive the same supposed revelations too? How could anyone decipher Revelation, the most mystical book of the Bible? The answer turned out to be somewhat simple. The prophecies they preached weren't real prophecies. They were just reading off a script. Then they were staging these scripted events to affirm their pseudo-spiritual authority. They were faking the apocalypse." So this is the Jesuit run Psypocalypse! Tell us a little more about how this gets rolled out there

40:31 There's obviously a lot of details here. You go into Elon Musk and QAnon, and just all the things that bring us to this point. Yeah so like I was saying earlier when after the Great Schism happened and people within the Catholic Church were getting fed up with the Vatican And they started calling the Vatican the Antichrist So before this People...I think a lot of people who have a little bit of knowledge of Christianity might know what Dispensationalism is or At least futurism, like I said the idea that there's a seven-year Great Tribulation. And have you seen Christian movies as a kid? All the Hollywood movies tell you the same thing about the Antichrist right and about The Mark of the Beast and all this stuff like that. Well originally Revelation was like I said a mystical text that was not understand

41:23 are understood in a very literal way the way it is today. Like, the mark of the beast is...a spiritual thing! It's not an actual chip or a physical object. It's what you do with your hands. It's what you think with your mind. Those are the marks. Does that make sense? Yeah like this is way too literal. Yeah yeah so like if you think about God and you do godly works then you're sealed you know, with the symbol of God mystically. If you're thinking about yourself and you're doing things for yourself or doing things of the world like that is like one of the versions... One of the interpretations of what their original Mark of The Beast actually was Like I said so people were calling the Vatican the Antichrist And in order to combat all this there was a whole... There's the Protestant Reformation then there was the Counter-Reformation

42:15 and during that time they created new doctrines. Like I said, there was no official doctrine of the end times of the book of Revelation The book of Revelation was supposed to be like a timeless entire history of all of Christianity not just a brief seven-year period right before the end of time like that doesn't actually make sense because like i said there wasn't ancient church that people were already reading this book, like why would they be reading it and saying okay so in 2 000 years this is going to happen? It wouldn't matter to them. It just doesn't make sense Saint John was writing those letters to people that were alive right then well let me step in here too and add a little bit more So you go on to say... It also seems a lot of these narratives are strategically planted PSYOPS II even in 2022-23. It was obvious what the algorithm was pushing

43:05 What all the viral and mainstream conspiracies were pointing towards a Trump antichrist, a neural link mark of the beast and an AI beast from the abyss at CERN. Which will probably have something to do with QAnon but before any of this could happen we realized Christianity had to become trendy again there had to be a false revival or even a right-wing revolution so people would actually like Donald Trump and reelect them this is actually the agenda to program you to fight against a fake new world order so you will believe you won when really, a global rebellion was always the goal. You understand the Hegelian dialectic when it's political but you refuse to see it when its spiritual." Boom! I think that's great. Do you think this ties into the death of Charlie Kirk? I'm curious if you think that was even an authentic situation but to me it seems like

43:59 They used a charismatic figure whose heart was in the right place to get all these impressionable youths, to adopt his version of Christianity. And then they kill him install the honeypot handler wife and JD Vance. And now it's back too. I like there they're, I think they're basically promoting Catholicism like Candace Owens says, Oh he was going to become a Christ, a Catholic It's like, okay well I didn't hear him say that but they're kind of like massaging his image to suit their purpose and it does seem like they killed the figurehead. They cut the head off the snake and now all these impressionable youths that they've got their attention there steering them more into a techno Christianity with JD Vance in The Wife. Right

44:49 I mean, I have no idea if it was a genuine situation or not. But yeah, I mean it was totally used by the algorithm to promote this like radical cultural political form of Christianity. So that's one thing. The other thing I find interesting is that one of the narratives that's really catching a lot people's attention in that always the Jews and like maybe it was probably was but even if that's true, they are being exposed right now is that I think that's, I think it's another PSYOP because

45:26 in this dispensationalist prophecy, which is Jewish inspired. The Jesuits and the Jews are working together like okay so Dispensationalism thing that's where the whole idea of Israel came from to begin with like Israel is another Mystical thing in the Bible it's the body of Christ It's not a literal nation-state Like I said they literalized everything they made everything intellectual but um So the Jews have all these fake prophecies too They believe that before the end of time they are all going to return to Israel so their Messiah, the dispensationalist Antichrist can save them. Like if you're a Christian and believe that the Antichrist is gonna be the guy who rebuilds the third temple and saves the Jews while the Jews believe that whoever sends them back to Israel and remakes the third temple...that's gonna be their Savior

46:17 Anyways, they need something to be saved from so the fact that they are making everyone hate the Jews right now actually helps them fulfill their fake prophecies and accelerate the end times. The acceleration is philosophy right? That the dark enlightenment weirdos like Elon Musk Peter Thiel Nick Land all these guys believe and I was gonna get into it earlier that like Nick Land has some weird Chaos Magic Discordian connections as well. It's all converging from conspiracy culture,

46:54 Like yeah, even um what's his name Alan Moore wasn't he the one who wrote in The Invisibles where he literally print Morrison Oh Grant Morrison Yeah He really predicted that conspiracy theories would go mainstream at a certain point and no one would know What the hell is going on? You know Alan Moore? He actually was V for vendetta which of course is very associated with conspiratorial material because the mask and anonymous And all that stuff so let me also ask you about this. I have not added visual references from home yet, but I'm going to try to share my screen. These are a bunch of images I took kind of from your page, but this is what I wanted to show is the Trump thing. So you have talked about this

47:36 Ballroom that he's building the ball room. I would say a L room So there's a lot of claims now about this where some people are saying Oh what? He's actually doing is breaking the giant geomancy sigil seal, that is the Washington DC layout and They claim that the walls that are being used are some sort of material, that the energy just does not flow easily through. I'm a little less optimistic when you see that it's funded by Apple Amazon Google Lockheed Martin Microsoft Coinbase Comcast and Meta but it is an interesting premise now you say

48:15 That that's probably the wrong take you say it actually looks an awful lot like a replica of Solomon's temple and here we have Trump holding the plans below it Solomon's Temple. Sorry for the audio listeners I will include these images in the show notes, and here's a depiction of the temple itself And look at the colors of it. Everyone talks about how Trump's big ballroom is very gaudy with all this white and gold will look at Solomon's temple here, look at this little area, the court of women. This looks like a giant ball room is this what he's building? Is he building a replica of Solomon's temple? It's also funny that if you look up where the presidential bunker is in the white house, like the safety underground bunker well surprise surprise it's under the East wing God damn it

49:03 So just, I'm kind of compelled by this. You know, there's always a story beneath the story that we always like to get into, but what are your thoughts on this decision to do some architecture at the white house? Yeah. I don't believe the QAnon narrative that it's like, oh they're breaking the spells in Washington. But also i mean...I posted this just to play with the algorithm to be honest because the algorithm loves the fake apocalypse propaganda. I've been shadow banned a million times but I managed to break through by posting Nonsense, every once in a while. And this specific instance I mean it's just more schizo rage bait like they want people to think Donald Trump is the Antichrist so of course make him look like he is rebuilding Solomon's Temple so people freak out. Well I'm freaking out! You got me? No really I just find it interesting It's not like nothing happening there's clearly something being built there and probably an ulterior motive

50:04 It's going to be very real. I mean, I think bad things are actually going to happen. Like the dispensationalists believe, I don't think that Christ is going to return immediately after the Antichrist rules for seven years. That's what they think but i think that's the deception He's going to rule for seven years and then something else is going to happen, like another false savior. Because like I said the book of Revelation never had this weird oddly specific timeline it was only until the Jesuits invented it That's what this whole thing is about to me, and that's what I'm trying to explain very poorly. Please forgive me, i'm not good at public speaking but yeah they're trying to psyop everyone into this fake apocalypse narrative and the people who remain Gnossics in New Agers... They'll seem to be vindicated when Christ does not return! And I think that the real religion of the future will be like this neo-paganism, neo-gnosticism

51:00 Like Sophia, like people will because everyone's gonna get sick of this technocracy crap. So the pendulum is going to swing again and people will worship Babylon I guess but under the guise of like the divine feminine. Right well This is another compelling link in the chain you're making so... Oh and real quick! The PsyOp architects they even talk about this like Alice Bailey said that there must be two new world orders She said the first New World Order will just prepare humanity for the real one. So I think this is the fake one which has been literally exposed on purpose by the people who are making it

51:44 Like the Discordians, they told us everything. They put it all in the card game like... The card game! Yes It's supposed to be obvious but disguised as a big secret as a mystery because that's the initiation right? Like they initiate you into their system of symbolism and into their weird literal- like their weird Gnostic knowledge which is very literal interpretation of everything. It's all intellectual Has nothing to do with with the noose And so I don't think a lot of people even know Like there's some agents and shills or whatever that might not even know what they're doing is wrong. They might be genuinely just doing their job, but because there's like I said there's this spirit of pre-loss taking over the world the spiritual delusion so some people are just spiritually deluded and just following the breadcrumbs

52:32 Naively and maybe innocently like I don't blame these people. I know from experience like I was in the same boat You know, I think I was being used to promote this Saturn timecube simulation crap. I mean, I still believe that there I Still believe that Saturn is like this weird occult thing and I think there's some truth to all that stuff but, I don't believe in the literal view that it's a matrix controlled by Saturn or any of that anymore. Like, I didn't even know at the time that idea comes from The Theosophists? It's all... We've been psi-oped! Yeah well you know you make me feel like i'm probably guilty of being somewhere in there as well and i'm just trying to do what I can but

53:16 acknowledge what you're saying is kind of interesting so it's like they want you to be initiated into fake feeling like you figured something out but it was laid out for you to figure out so you could feel smart when your really quite dumb story my life to tell the truth But I wanted to ask you about this other picture here. So you say apparently France is gifting America another statue that will be even bigger than Lady Liberty, the picture below is a scale model of the Guardian of Liberty which will go up in 2026 to celebrate America's hundred or 250th birthday?

53:52 It will also be made of titanium so it can last millions of years. Oddly enough, the guardian of liberty is based on the Greek God Atlas and this news was announced right as the Atlas comet went behind the sun! Is there an occult connection here or just a coincidence? So I have the image up on the screen it'll be in the show notes...I did not know this was happening. I did not know we were getting a new Statue Of Liberty-like Update and this image, you know what it I can't help but say that to my simple stoner mind. If you've seen the meme of the blonde girl sitting there on the couch where all the black guys are lined up with their white T-shirts and they're about to do the deed that is exactly what this image looks like to me. It's like they modeled it after that meme

54:40 I don't know, but again with the Titans and the Nephilim and the Giants and Greek gods. It's always something in that milieu what is this dude? So again i think it's just more Psypocalypse propaganda schizo rage bait like trying to get people to decode things but I mean I do think that the hidden message Is that yeah The Titans or The Nephilim are returning But Again There's two factions of these entities, the very obviously evil ones. I think they're programming people to expect like the return of the Nephilim but we might appear to be saved by angelic entities from that." Like I said... Is this making sense? No it is making sense! It's just you know I have a lot of guests who talk along these lines

55:31 And sometimes it's not exactly clear if they're describing an op that's being put out there or if they're describing what they see as the reality. But you are very clearly saying no, this is like a scripted up even these other layers that are beneath the surface. They are designed to suck you in and consider me sucked. So I wanted to ask this before we left so you say asked for the upcoming year in 2026 You wrote Trump's new defense plan says his team will create a new national guard response force, which will be mobilized across the U S for mass civil unrest by April 2026. Why though? What are they preparing for what could cause riots all over the country according to some ufologists September 2026 is when humanity will finally make contact with extraterrestrials according to others

56:23 This is when world war three will begin. Yikes, well what do you expect the next year or even just the rest of this presidential term to look like? I have no idea but i think there's a potential for economic collapse. The grid finally they'll do the grid attacks eye up and all these different things and if society collapses, I think the way trump will appear as the fake, fake savior. The fake Antichrist is that he will restore society introduce the mark maybe these AI aliens will be part of their new world order or whatever you know I mean if all this technology goes back to John Dee and the Watchers like what are the watchers watching it's a surveillance state right so they're gonna create this dystopian thing where

57:13 But people, I think certain people will be pulled into it because it will solve all of their monetary problems. And but then again there will be a bunch of people who rebel against the Antichrist which is that's just not how it works. The Antichrist would be loved by the world but you know don't you see how when that happens people are gonna be like no I'm not getting chipped with With the digital idea or anything like no one's gonna want to do that. Well see, that's the weird thing though is like there are so many people That you will find people who will do anything Like we may think it's ridiculous to get a neural link or to go into the direction of transhumanism But when I go to Whole Foods they have a device right there where you can pay by scanning your palm and

57:53 There's some people using that, enough people that they've installed them everywhere. So to me when it's like the antichrist will be loved it's like yeah well even if its loved by 30% of the population thats millions and millions of people. Yeah but okay so back to the Alice Bailey thing in order for them to create their enlightened utopia The first new world order you know how I said there was two she talked about? The purpose of the first one is literally depopulate the earth from the unenlightened So only people who are initiated into their Gnostic occult symbolism will be able to see the fake apocalypse happening, right? The people that are initiated are not going to go along with any of these narratives that they're telling you not to go along with if you just go on X. Right? My whole X timeline is everyone saying, oh this is Siava, this is Siava, this is Antichrist...

58:42 Yeah, I think the purpose of the First New World Order is to kill quote-unquote normies. I mean, I don't actually look at people that way but this is the way that they're kind of programming us to see things so get rid of the normie's and then the next stage is The New Age where the enlightened masters return and everyone's enlightened, there is no more beast system and there is no more hive mind. It was a population thing. The COVID vaccine was just a test run in order to divide us and basically create the conspiracy culture. That was the purpose of COVID in my opinion

59:20 separate the enlightened from the normies and now, and now we'll be like the final nail in that coffin I guess. Right well i also see another layer to it where they were willing- they saw the money going away from legacy media so they were willing to completely burn it down by losing all credibility during COVID to a lot of people obviously some still drink the Kool Aid you can't ever get them to stop but Then they took those figures and installed them in the alternative media. Now you got Tucker Carlson doing shows that sound a lot like our first interview, and that's interesting because they're trying to rebuild that credibility by putting these people out into a different space. And again, Candace is kind of one of them so

1:00:05 Uh, yeah. I guess you just gotta be careful who you believe and what you trust. But if they are going to have a new big kind of event next year, I definitely could see people galvanizing around Trump just because he's a strong parental figure when people are on unsure footing. I mean look what they did the Giuliani during nine 11 they exalted him made him look like way less of a doofus than it turned out to actually be with the hair dye dripping down his face and all that goofy shit. So they can really make anybody look any which way they want, and yeah, he might be the internet blackouts Giuliani but th the thing I think is kind of interesting about the internet blackout. I obviously have to think about that my whole bread and butter and income in the way I support my family comes from the internet uh troublesome as that may be

1:00:57 They're you like, this is one of their main tools. Like if they're really trying to do things like onboard everyone to cryptocurrency and control all the narratives through the algorithms don't you need that? To be like totally stable. Don't you need people to believe that would never go away if the internet were to go down next year, you're not going to get people on boarded decrypto You're not going to get people to do the digital ID because they're gonna be like, look how flimsy that is. Well I think it'll be a new internet and it'd be a whole new internet. A controlled one that you'll need your digital id to log into your bank account will be hooked up to your digital Id and all of your business all of your income will happen mostly online

1:01:41 for everybody. But if you don't plug into the system, you won't be able to do anything. You'll just be an outcast. Right so basically just a controlled temporary blackout to then say well clearly you see what can happen we need all these safety measures yeah I mean i put stock in that possibility crazy time to be alive obviously and I guess your best advice is just to find God Yeah, I know that's not gonna be very convincing to some people but... Well i think they've heard it before. Yeah it's cliche. Sometimes the cliches end up being true. People say them for a reason

1:02:24 Awesome. Well, this has been a real treat to talk to you again and I'm glad that you found something that resonates with you that feels authentic when there are really so many deceivers and fake cults to get sucked into any parting words of advice? Any links to give them or new material they should expect from you before we call it in honestly just read Orthodoxy in the religion of the future. All right. I'm on my way Cool. Awesome, man. Yeah. Thank you. Uh, you've navigated the darkness, you found the light and you live to tell the tale. So I appreciate ya take care. Okay. Sweet Jesus that was a wild ride and I know not everyone is active on Twitter or follows up on the guests that come on but Nick is someone that I've probably had a few dozen people ask me about over the last couple of years like what's going on with Nick?

1:03:27 Why hasn't he posted his posts? Maybe seem a little bit doom spirally. Well, there were times when I did check in on him and he let me know that he was okay and he seemed thankful when I did that. I think that might be part of why he agreed to getting back in the game with me in particular but as I said, I'm glad he found some sort of fulfillment purpose meaning all those words Conspiracy and occult research are perilous games. I don't need to tell you that people also asked me about Christian Westbrook, the ice age farmer. He was gone for a long time and he came back and was just like, Hey guys, I'm not Ice Age Farmer anymore. I'm unshadowed. And he's trying to rebuild under this new brand focused mostly on the surveillance state technocracy stuff

1:04:20 I understand the need to pivot when your whole thing is the global food supply is collapsing tomorrow and then a few years goes by. And it hasn't really happened, but I don't know about the rebrand. I don't know why people do that. It's hard enough to build a following once I say Another one that comes to mind that people ask me about is Marty leads. I think he still has his Gnostic church going strong, not exactly sure, but to the best of my knowledge she's doing just fine doing his thing And another one that comes to mind is Michael Joseph. He's one I'm curious about myself, I know that we did some great interviews and he basically was just going deep into trying to figure out which was the best path for him spiritually? Is it a more occult path because that's what's been demonized by the system or is it more of a Christian interpretation of all the big ideas

1:05:22 And I think he decided on Christianity and then kind of stopped making content to throw out one more that people ask me about. I should mention Freeman, I did text him not long ago. He unfortunately got hit with one of those big bad hurricanes that we had last year and he lost a lot of things. I think he lost his home and a lot of possessions and That sucks. He hasn't really felt super motivated to make a bunch of content, to the best of my knowledge I think he's kind of in a down place and i know his podcast feed is somewhat active because he frequently reposts shows from his archive but i don't know if he's recorded anything lately

1:06:10 Either way, a person's life is not just about how much content they produce online. But I also understand we get to know these folks and we appreciate their insights and we like the research when they disappear. We wonder why? And Nick falls into that category for a little while but I am glad he has reemerged I do consider him one of the best. He has a real knack for finding some of the best untapped veins in conspiracy land, you know? Even with his pivot towards orthodoxy he still manages to have really unique takes in a crowded space like this Psypocalypse premise. I just liked it. I know I'm guilty of having times where I've worried a bit too much about having a guest make all the right points and have all the right takes

1:07:03 Because I really don't like when a guy like John Perkins, who has a lot to share on the economic hit man stuff goes on a tangent about how vaccines are saving indigenous lives. And we have to keep flooding Central America with vaccines and we got to stop climate change and all this kind of stuff. I'm never going to like that, but I've loosened up around that kind of thing a little bit because it's not that serious. We want to talk about serious things, but I guess I should say it's not that consequential that somebody doesn't agree with us on one thing or another and it's actually somewhat interesting to see where people's knowledge base goes really deep in one area and then takes a hard right in

1:07:50 And another, and you see them kind of adopting a mainstream corporate propagandized viewpoint on something that is outside of their wheelhouse. You know? And uh, I guess they don't have to check all the boxes is what I'm saying it's less important to me. All that is just to say that I considered Nick really one of those guys who was great at this whatever it is we do here And I don't have to tell anyone that I'm not enthusiastic about a pivot to any religious ideology, but I try to stay open-minded and actually not make any judgments until he explained what brought him to this. In the end, I do like to try to find common ground with everybody and I'm never going to adopt any political or religious label ever again in my life

1:08:43 But I can find the overlaps and the resonant areas of most ideologies when compared with my own hodgepodge self cobbled together belief structures. I just care that the show is not boring really, and on that front, I think Nick is always going to pass the test Even in his orthodoxy arc. I kid, Nick. And uh...I'm happy that he found something positive to be excited about We should really all be so lucky Excitement and enthusiasm for anything are kind of scarce commodities these days if you ask me So i'm not going to try to sour anybody's lemonade

1:09:27 Very synchronistic to that. I happen to have the book of the saint that resonated so deeply with him too, right on my shelf. I thought I was going to be rolling in my eyes, but instead I'm picking out a book from the chaos of this unorganized bookshelf and being like, wow, I paid money to purchase this book somewhere along the line because someone that I thought had good opinions about things told me to get it and here you are talking about it funny how the world works out He does somewhat seem to be in transition though, in his life. So getting this interview done technically was a bit of a challenge. We always try to edit out any logistical stuff and interruptions that come up, but Nick was on his phone in his car sitting in a parking lot to do this interview, but we made it work regardless. That's just an interesting fact

1:10:20 I also tried giving a lot of context and cliff notes from that last interview because it is so damn good. Very fun AI did kind of pop up all around us and Nick was talking about it before any of that happened, and filling in a lot of the occult context very early to boot but check out that last show if you want even more cause I really liked his Tyler stuff in particular. I think I said that though, in this interview But this was the first one where I was looking at my schedule and just the day of the morning of, I thought you know what? I called the studio and said, I'm not coming in.

1:10:59 sure we can get this recorded in the current state of what you guys got going on there. And so I cobbled some stuff together here on my own and I just recorded it from home and not to get too behind the scenes on you guys, but I bought an upgraded nice Mac studio so I could process these two hour 4K video files without taking all day. And I also upgraded to the studio display It's like a $1,500 monitor. So I expected the webcam that is in it to be a bit better than it actually is. I used it for this interview and I liked it at first but it had some sort of AI smoothing or something that I think makes me look like I'm wearing makeup and I can't seem to get it turned off everything I read says you can't turn it off which seems so silly but

1:11:54 Regardless, I'm not going to use that again. I think I was naive to think that a built-in webcam is going to be enough for me but with the price of the monitor i thought maybe it would be maybe $1500 just isn't what it used to be! I also tested out the two camera view if you saw that...I don't know if we need that seems like more work for my guy for really no reason I did upgrade my mic and i will be using a different file for my side of these recordings going forward so, I think that's already been improved too. I'm really kind of rusty on the home setup and having to dial it all in myself And I had to pivot last minute but... It is what it is

1:12:42 I also do think the sharing of the screen live instead of adding things in post is a lot better because I just want full control over where and when something we're talking about is going to pop up on the screen. I think that's reasonable, I don't mean to overthink it or overexplain it to you guys and listeners definitely don't find this relevant But I'm just trying a couple of different things and I will settle on the best options after getting some more home recordings under my belt, but it shouldn't be all that noticeable in the end product anyway. So I don't know why I'm telling you, I guess just cause you'll see some differences along the way, but give it three or four episodes and we should have something streamlined either way. I'm happy with the interview we got and the circumstances didn't really take away from the content too much. I don't think

1:13:33 And if you didn't see the specific images in the show of the Trump ballroom and the comparison to the Temple of Solomon, it's worth a look on Nick's feed or I'll also put it in the show notes. The first hour heats up nicely and the second hour full on cooks. As the kids say, some of the topics we talked about would include the symbolism of architecture and the Nephilim his personal encounters with the occult and dark energy. We could say the nature of love and spiritual warfare, the rebirth of Atlantis plan in the new world order moralism versus holiness

1:14:14 AI psychosis and the digital age, all sorts of tangents and great takes from Nick. All these little insights peppered throughout come on into the deep refreshing waters of the extra hour and soak in the great salt bath of conspiracy podcasting that is the higher side chats plus or something like that Also, Nick did have some thoughts after the show that he wished he had remembered to fit in. And I'm happy to play the game of telephone and tell you about them now The world loves its own, said the Lord. The works of Western authors written in this state of self-delusion attract an enormous number of readers that are translated repeatedly into various languages and enjoy much praise. Works seeping with deadly poison are approved of and recommended while the writings of the Holy Fathers are forgotten! The true path of life recognized from days of old is no longer respected

1:15:11 Their writings are criticized and said to contradict and disagree with Holy Scripture. This is so because the holy Fathers were under the direction of the Holy Spirit, because they renounced the wisdom of the world so as to attain the wisdom of the Spirit. In vain are the attempts of those who go against the teachings of the apostles who go against the teachings of the Church endeavoring to enter into the wisdom of the Spirit by means of the wisdom of the world! He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. Having fallen great was the fall thereof." They want to explain things spiritual according to the darkened reasoning powers of the soul, the spiritual as it appears in the works of the Holy Fathers seems strange to them contradicting Holy Scripture

1:16:03 Spiritual things are compared with spiritual things, said the apostle Paul. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness unto him neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned." There you go! And this is also something he didn't want to leave you without—this comes from his Twitter feed and in his own words but he says In antiquity, some Eastern mystics followed the Tao – a word that means The Way or even the Logos. So it seems certain ancient ascetics were able to experience at least a glimpse of the transcendent. In fact all religions point towards the transcendent, even nature points towards its maker hence the wisdom of natural philosophy

1:16:50 All these systems contain some good and true things, but when the transcendent Creator of all that is good and true incarnated as a man when the Tao became flesh. He took what was right from every system and combined them into a universal religion we could call The Church! The perennial philosophy already exists, and his cherry on top fun fact was this request that I mentioned, that Crowley was actually raised in the Christian cult that popularized dispensationalism! Triple exclamation point. And just to remind you what that means, dispensationalism is a theological system that interprets the Bible as a series of distinct historical eras or dispensations through which God administered his will

1:17:40 Its two main distinctions are a literal interpretation of Scripture, especially prophecy and a view that God has separate plans for ethnic Israel and the Church. This perspective believes in a future role for national Israel and often includes a pre-millennialism view where Christ will reign for a literal thousand year period on earth." Okay So Crowley was raised in that sort of worldview. Basically the apocalypse cult mindset, most of this show is about that's going to screw anybody up well I'm glad we could reconnect and that Nick's back to doing what he does so well. What else can I say? And higher side news outside of reestablishing my processes and upgrading my equipment and tweaking my workflow

1:18:37 I'm still waiting on the last two episodes. I recorded from the studio, it's been almost four weeks and I can't get these shows turned around. I don't have access to them. It's very frustrating. I'm sure i'll have gripes with the editing when it does come in or when they come in but we just need to plow through this transition and re-establish dominance I'll also say that the latest solo show also really moved the plus needle a lot more than any interview. I can remember. So now I'm in this weird headspace where I've been trying to increase plus subscriptions through making the website better and adding the tokenized RSS feed and making it all more convenient to be a member, and then going into this elaborate studio setup and launching video

1:19:31 All these big over the top expensive things when people really just want me to talk into a microphone more often. It's bizarre that I didn't come up with that sooner, but this latest knife of God cattle mutilations presentation truly surprised me at least the results of it there's always a small bump on the days of a new interview but about as many people leave each day as come in you know we're at least maintaining What they call our churn rate to use an industry term. But I now know the results are in and talking about Ian's book for 45 minutes by myself netted probably 10 X more subs than if I had just released a regular interview with them, isn't that weird? Have I been doing this wrong all along the two biggest plus bumps in the last five years are definitely the two solo shows

1:20:23 I need to find a good sub-branding for those, I think. I thought about calling them the THC Cliff Tokes like the cliff notes of a book or an idea but that's kind of lame and cringey and uh...I just liked it because it worked with the THC scheme maybe Solo Show is fine I thought about a series called the dead man's book club, but not every solo show will be a presentation about a dead guys book. And I don't need like four different sub brands, but maybe there's something in there it'll come to me joint sessions was so good. It's a stoner pun. It's a political pun and described what it was hard to nail it like that again

1:21:09 But I did talk to Gordon white a little bit about that knife of God premise. I thought of him because I always liked his analogy for the missing four one, one national park stuff where he would say just by organizing national parks the way we have, we might've trained a spiritual predator to find food there like we train seagulls to go after trash cans or train bears that way or whatever we design our habitats or develop our habits and the natural and spiritual life out there adapts to that stuff with its own observations and goes where the food ends up being. So, the fact that we talked about that previously I thought if he checked this out then you'd have some thoughts... And I knew he would appreciate it is more from a metaphysical-spiritual approach rather than literal but

1:22:06 He did say that he considers it to be a much better take, that it's not an angry God. It's more like spirits engaging in what they had been engaging in for thousands of years—hunting ceremony relations broadly speaking. I actually thought about this after we were done recording and that's how it always goes, right? You wrap up something like damn it. I should have said this, that and the other obviously Nick had some things he wanted me to add just moments ago but I had this one thought after we were done where I was considering more of the rebirth of pan stuff that I read

1:22:45 But human groups engaging with the spirits have almost always centered around the hunt and food and this sort of stuff. So maybe we're looking at cattle mutilations all wrong, maybe it's not even supposed to be seen as scary because to an indigenous tribe who performs a lengthy intense emotionally draining ritual ceremony calling on the spirits to help improve the hunt And put the wind at their back on this next hunting trip. I mean, to have a cow killed and drained of all its blood in a way that scavengers and insects and maggots don't bother it. And then you have a light in the sky lead you to it? Is that a gift rather than a curse maybe

1:23:36 Does it just scare us because we're so removed from our food supply and natural processes, and these engagements that we kind of think, oh dead cow equals scary equals demonic spirit warning and a coming apocalypse. No one ever really thinks about it that way but don't butchers drain the blood first thing when they get to kill isn't that part animal processing and preservation even, especially like in a natural environment like that without refrigeration or meat locker. Like you would want to kind of do something to it that would keep it from rotting? And doesn't that qualify? Hmm...

1:24:23 Wouldn't it be hilarious if spirits think that they're just fulfilling the requests of the traditional people of the land and it's this positive relationship that's running on fumes and seeming to be extra bizarre when it's occurring outside of the right part of the timeline? Wouldn't that be funny, that we would be the ones who don't have any context for how things have worked here for so long. These are the thoughts I wish I had included. Pretty much simpatico with the brief back and forth that I had with Gordon, I was three-fourths of the way there but hearing from him really put me over the edge on some of that stuff less paranoid perspectives on things are probably always good in particular the why of the cattle mutilation phenomenon

1:25:14 Now, I think we really do have kind of the absolute best answer on what cattle mutilations are with that sort of stuff. Even the quote I read about perfectly surgically removing one of the cow's stomachs without damaging the connecting parts or causing the guts to spill out, or the bile. I mean that's what ruins meat right? When you butcher an animal if you're inexperienced...I remember hearing that if you disturb the contents of the stomach or the bile or whatever, you can easily ruin the meat if you don't know what you're doing!

1:25:52 So to be led by a light in the sky, to a fresh kill that's half prepared. Does this not seem like it might be not a bad thing to the right person? I'm into that idea either way check it out if you're plus member, the data is interesting and what started as just a fresh take on an old tired paranormal trope kind of turned into an expose on researchers who go over the edge I didn't say this explicitly either, but just listen to the tone of his delivery in the first clips I shared versus the last one. In the last one he sounds like the damn Joker flipping the light switch on and off talking about...I thought about appearing on camera? He doesn't sound well maybe he's just trying to put some stank on it maybe just trying to be entertaining

1:26:41 I don't know, but he doesn't seem as objective or academic as he did in the first couple of clips that he made on that subject. Just interesting and thanks for listening if you did there will be more solo presentations. How could there not be with these results? They're also pretty fun for me. I like having full control over how material is presented. Sometimes a guest doesn't actually take my lead very well, and it's always really frustrating because I have this whole elaborate thing planned out and I'm not perfect but i do think I have a good strong sense of narrative and interview structure and the order that things should come out in and the pacing

1:27:25 All things that I sort of have to trust with guests that I've for the most part, never met before. And they have to trust me too, but either way it's hard to have that right from minute one my intros help, but not always and I can actually kind of sometimes curate content better when I'm just on my own depends on the subject matter you know depends on how deep we're going on just giving the Flow of a book versus like trying to extract more from a person than what was on the page. But the five interviews, a month are always going to be the bread and butter around here. Don't you worry? But I want to do more my own thing because it seems like that's what other people want and it's going to happen sign up for plus and catch up

1:28:13 I've also added the full list of like 30 songs that i've made this year that I end the show with. Some people like them and all it takes is a plus membership and you can download them all on the bonus content page so I'm a really happy man this week, feeling super charged up by a job that was feeling a little bit routine. I was caught up in a little bit of drama and I don't like the inconsistency and having to make changes quickly but whatever i'm feeling pretty good overall And as for the review of my knife of god presentation right now would you believe that it's sitting at a 4.9

1:28:55 I think people are just being nice to me and trying to encourage me to do it more. I don't think it's actually a 4.9 presentation, maybe it is who am I to say? The audience aggregate review doesn't lie. People who checked it out, liked it now as for the last real THC episode that would be Steve and Chris Krimmy cry me I've said at both ways. I didn't ask. It's a five letter last name. It's embarrassing to not be able to just say it and have to ask. I think it's crimey Chris crimey

1:29:32 Flows really well. I don't know, but I like them a lot. It's got a 4.5. I know it was a little disjointed and not as well structured as I would have liked. I don't think that they got the best me to lead the dance that particular day on top of other issues, but I will take a 4.5 with the circumstances we had, they might've taken a little more engagement to get them, but there are some really good insights that they laid down in there. And I just love them really good people and i'm not just saying that because they keep sending me books but they do and now for the meetup calendar so we got one coming up on November 29th in Austin Texas The Austin Beerworks Rune Soup THC crossover event love to see it

1:30:28 And then December kicks off crazy. December 2nd, Printer's Alley in New York, New York never been want to go Before it all falls apart in particularly December 3rd, the very next day. The heart bar in Brooklyn, New York. Wow to Brooklyn events within 24 hours of each other and then December 4th we're going into the other coast for an LA event at the coral tree and December 6th Vancouver Washington that double barrel tap house okay higher side meetups.com

1:31:04 Always nice to go and meet like-minded locals. I'm sure there'll be a lull as we get into the second half of December, but man, the first week is pretty packed! It's never a bad time to meet cool people living in this same environment as you who also happen to have some of the same thoughts and opinions so grab some drinks and just talk shop It's also probably been like a full year since I mentioned the merch on the air. I just don't say much about it, but there are some really cool designs at the higher side clothing dot com THC thing. I was all about it for awhile there and yeah pillows uh shirts with that on it for the people who aren't watching. I just pointed to a poster on my wall that is

1:31:54 Pirate ship sailing the vast conspira sea. It's one of my favorite designs actually, but anyway some really wild and amazing designs by some really talented artists can be found there based on the themes of the show. Some quite deep themes, some based on in particular episodes where The content was extremely unique and now there's a designed T-shirt based around one episode of one podcast I don't know you'll love them though And that's about it. Nick Hinton is the man, so humble, so gracious I wish him all the best things in life Your move Christian cult leaders doomsday LARPers and soldiers of the Psypocalypse your fucking move Is it accidental how things end? Or is life ritually planned right from the jump

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