Marty Leeds | Flat Earth Implications, NASA Lies, & Gematria

00:04 This puppet master's almost surely have a fit There clearly may be something there And until you've thoroughly tested every last post Just didn't think you'd know the less you really do That's true, Dr. Seuss! Where would we without TAT? Cause' we know they're lying to us just don't know it Where would we be without TAT The Higher Side Jack show Alright folks, we know deception runs deep and we try to hold all our accepted truths up to the light and make sure they check out. But the most far-out idea, the most polarizing possibility that we've ever really tackled here has got to be The Flat Earth episode with Eric Dubé. Since that show I've had many people write me to say that they have stopped listening after wasting their time with such a ridiculous concept

01:04 I've had Plus members cancel because that episode changed their life for the better and it's become their sole topic of interest. And, I've lost potential guests because they couldn't be associated with a show that would even discuss such a thing." So, I figured why not make more trouble for myself and do it again? Because Marty Leeds another previous THC guest one of the few that I'd call a friend now and a researcher I really respect Set off to disprove that ludicrous flat-earth fallacy and found that he really couldn't. It's since become a bigger part of his paradigm, his spiritual journey and the amazing stuff you can find on his website at martyleads33.com along with the four books He's written in this kickass music ladies and gentlemen my go-to gematria guru effervescent and always pleasant Marty my man welcome back to The Higher Side Hey thanks man yeah pleasure to have yet always love the intros dude

01:53 Well, I try. You got to put a little effort into it, I feel. Of course! But I consider you a smart science-minded guy. You've done great stuff with Gematria and your English language cipher as well as Pi and the sequential codes in nature. And it was really a big surprise to me to see you put out Flat Earth the ultimate litmus test which was a really good video and because I do know you a little bit. I have a real interest in that journey, that conversion process maybe you could walk us through that a little bit? You had to find it ridiculous at first right I think most people do. Because we've been told since our kindergarten or whatever that this is an absolute fact, the Earth is a sphere and the Sun is a heliocentric system etc., so I think that most people have that initial reaction where it's like okay well this is garbage what the hell is this? This is the dumbest conspiracy I've ever heard

02:48 I had that reaction as well, but it was very short-lived. The reason it was short lived is because for years studied a lot of other cultures like comparative mythology, syncretic study and Realize I mean, I knew right away that there was all of these other cultures throughout history that absolutely 100% claimed that the earth was flat you know and even the The themes and how they how they explained the earth were very similar a lot of times it was sitting in water There was four pillars that were holding up. There was a dome firmament That sort of thing and that the land was flat so

03:27 So, yeah that initial reaction was like this is a joke. And I actually set out like most people to say okay well I'm just going to debunk this or whatever and then after it didn't take long maybe a day or two and I was head first into exploring this and that's led up to talking me to you today. Yeah, right on man for sure. It's funny because neither one of us has a problem discussing it regardless of how far we go with it but it is such a polarizing topic what are your thoughts on how its been received? Because just the aggressive emotional response that tends to stir up seems to have been a big part of your commentary on it up to this point at least

04:11 What about that aspect would you say is worth mentioning? Well, I mean it is a polarizing subject because you're asking. It's the one...it's a trigger The subject itself as a trigger subject. Because it's such an easy thing to start a conversation with Hey! I think the earth is flat. Immediately people..It's not like when I said in that video When I started talking to people about sacred geometry, gammatria numerology religions and their ties to mathematics and secret societies and their ties to language in math. All of these subjects people don't really have a grip on or grasp up really. And so it's really easy for somebody just dismiss that not even pay any attention but when you

04:52 you go to somebody and say, hey I believe that the earth is flat or this is something I'm considering. Immediately that can get their attention because it's something they've known their whole life. They've been told 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue everybody thought it was flat he proved it was round so what's this thing that gets people's attention right away? So, it is a polarizing subject in that respect because it was made to be polarizing. Our quote-unquote educational indoctrination curriculum has made it polarizing. It really has and you mentioned the cultures maybe you can elaborate on that little bit? Because a lot of ancient cultures that we oftentimes in the alternative community put up on a pedestal for one reason or another their architecture are there measurements and calendars

05:38 A lot of them believed the earth was flat and when we're busy saying how advanced and sometimes superior they were, we do ignore that fact. I obviously see the argument that we just give them a pass because they didn't have modern telescopes or technology but it doesn't change what they thought! And if i'm going to be fair about it...and IF it's a deception, It hasn't been that long because as a people We've thought the earth was flat far longer than we believe it was round right? Yeah, much much longer. This is one that I actually had knowing for a long time knowing that a lot of these cultures thought it was flat. I actually had a lot...I had a hard time For instance the Egyptians The Egyptians absolutely believed as far as I've read and knew this for a long time that the earth was flat It was held up That's good vault of the sky was held up by four like mountains or pillars or whatever that sort of thing but they thought the earth was flat and so I had

06:29 I've talked about how the Great Pyramid of Giza is a one-scale model of the hemisphere of the Earth. And so it's like, well how can you reconcile those things? If you say that the Great Pyramid of Giza is one scale model of the Earth and this actually doesn't come from me this comes from other researchers guys like Randall Carlson and John Michel and Scott Onstott and cats like When you talk about that, it's like well how can you say that if they actually thought the earth was flat? So obviously whatever the Great Pyramid of Giza is, the measurements of it do not are not a hemisphere of the earth. What are they up to? The Egyptians thought the Earth was flat. The Hindus absolutely thought the Earth was flat. The Mayans absolutely thought the Earth was flat. Numerous historians and researchers would tell you that many of the native cultures on in the Americas firmly believed that the Earth was a flat landmass immovable so

07:19 We have to look at all these cultures and, at least for me if I'd given them the respect of looking at their histories, their mythologies, their rituals some of the gods that they've passed on. That sort of thing well then i have to give credence to this as well right? I think so now You know being a convert you're talking to a lot of people who probably aren't but what do you find be some of the most convincing evidence that they were the things that really got ya well let me say this too i'm not necessarily a convergent in one way I will say this though that and this is something I mentioned video is that, I can no longer argue for the heliocentric system there are if you go AB you know if you look at the heliocentric you look at geocentric system

08:04 and then you say, well prove the heliocentric system. I can't anymore there's nothing that there's literally the amount of anomalies and paradoxes and things like that in a heliocentric system trumped the ones in geocentric systems. There are still a ton of questions that I have surrounding flat earth and the mechanics of it is completely flat? Is it a dome or is it infinite plane how do certain mechanics work, these sorts of things. So I'm just more open to the discussion now but I will say this that as far as I can tell from my own terrestrial scientific investigation you know of this earth that it does appear absolutely flat everything that i've seen though I have only seen a small chunk of this plane or planet or whatever the hell you want to call it from what I gather it is...it is flat and not..or if it is

08:53 You know spherical it's a much bigger sphere than they've been telling us so either way I'm open to the discussion and i know this for sure that the people in power that have indoctrinated us and things like that are absolutely hiding things. I mean, i make the analogy tonight eleven i don't know what happened on nine eleven but i know for sure what the government told us is incorrect You know, so I say the same thing with the flat earth and I try to bring some reason to that discussion and not just be like well it's flat fuck you this is how it is. It doesn't do any good in my opinion. Right? And thats needed because people are very aggressive on this topic but that is fair. I definitely don't want to label something you aren't. I would say im right there with ya Im kind of earth shape agnostic at this point which

09:40 going pretty far already. I wouldn't have thought that a year ago, I would even be saying something like that but when it comes to the evidence one thing that i have seen is being right here on the coast People always talk about, oh well when a ship goes out and it disappears it's because it goes below the horizon. Well I have seen that when it goes out of your view you can take a camera with a good zoom in and see that ship again so...I don't know that's one of things that got me The other one is in your video is When you take a camera in a balloon And send it up there You see the sun over the ocean

10:19 and there's that big hot spot, and we're told that it's 93 million miles away but its putting a spot right below it like a light bulb what if it was that close? I don't know. Yeah that's the kind of things have me stuck in the gray. Yeah and its okay to question these things thats the other thing I brought up on video is like is there anything wrong with fundamentally questioning things that we've been told whatever that is I've done this for a long time with mathematics and language and the religions, where it's like I just went head on in question everything that they were saying. And I came to my own conclusions and I think the conclusions at least for me personally that i've come to have been extremely illuminating and changed my life in ways I would have never thought possible so is almost like this rebellious autodidactic sort of way of looking at these things well what's so wrong with doing that with the shape of the earth?

11:10 There were certain things that, yeah. Once I grasped how – especially since there was a model – there wouldn't have been a model to go and actually say hey well this is what in general how the sun works and how the moon works in a flat plane we have history of these things if I wouldn't had that then it might be difficult thing to try to tackle but since there was that I could actually look at okay What am I seeing here? Is this the sun coming at me and turning around a central pole, and is it coming at me according to the laws of perspective or is that ... Or am I spinning on a ball 1,000 miles per hour and that thing's 93 million miles away. Well when it comes to terrestrial science things you can actually verify yourself, I couldn't verify anything in the heliocentric model so yeah, its things like that that people come

12:02 come to this subject and they start asking those questions, a lot of them like I said but a lot of people wanted to debunk it and they end up coming to the same conclusions as well. This makes a lot of sense and there's things that can verify which is what science is supposed to be. Verifiability repeatability experiments investigations research and verified that stuff and of course this is honestly what we're doing. Well said absolutely! And I'm very much willing to have the conversation too and I can't commit but the common ground I enjoy most with Flat Earth folks is the distrust for the various bricks in the power pyramid and especially dismantling the lies of NASA. That to me is the most fun thing about it, you know more so than the actual shape of

12:46 This was a big part of the process for you too, right? I mean you've looked hard at NASA and you see it full of holes like Swiss cheese. Right yeah And that's that was so quick to I mean I the thing about NASA is I never really paid attention To it that much because It was just another government organization I just assumed That just like every other government Organization that 10% Of what they were doing might be have some legitimacy in 90 percent if it Was all bullshit You know Like I never thought we went I never believed that there was a rover on Mars. Did I consider that there was some sort of telescope or something like Hubble up there? Yeah, possibly but I thought it was just another – to be honest just another place where they could funnel money into doing whatever nefarious and evil shit that they do when it turns out no, they were actually using it as a branch of the military too as a tool propaganda mass propaganda. That's exactly what it is.

13:40 That took, it didn't take long. All you have to do is investigate it for a few days and you can see numerous problems with the things that they're presenting to us and how no one can verify any of it. You have to trust them. And of course as we know probably every guest you've ever had says well you can't trust the government right? I mean what's the age old adage that your parents told you there are two people who you can't trust lawyers and politicians isn't it funny that most politicians are lawyers Good point, good point. And for the people who maybe haven't seen your video we've talked about a lot of problems with the things NASA puts out but the Hubble what is it about the Hubble that now has you doubting that it exists because that might be one of the most

14:26 accepted things that NASA's done so far. Well, I mean just the whole space in and of itself verifying any of that is you know substantiating anything they're saying there the existence of gravity...I mean okay here here's one that i find it so interesting like I mean, the International Space Station is supposedly what 250-300 miles up there. It's traveling at 17500 miles an hour in the thermosphere that gets up to several thousand degrees Fahrenheit or Celsius doesn't even matter at that point it gets really effing hot out there. Consider that as like one of the greatest engineering feats man has ever done!

15:03 to be able to go and piece by piece put that thing together, then make it run. Why don't we have any footage of that? Why is there not a documentary on that? When the whole thing was happening when I'm guessing mid 90s early 90's I don't even know the history of it but why wasn't there a feed showing these guys putting this stuff together at 17500 miles an hour It's things like that where there's just nothing hardly anything to prove that thing is even up there. So we look at that, like okay explain to me how any sort of metals even exists up there let alone how does it handle traveling 17,500 miles an hour

15:43 never hits any debris, never hits a satellite. I mean and really what i did with the movie was try to sum up the discussion as best as i could that's really what i wanted to do that was the impetus behind the movie was to like bring the discussion and bring some balance to it not tell you how it is just lay out hey why are people thinking this? Why are people looking into this? And The thing about what I came to is that you can't verify any of this stuff. You just can't, so what does that say? What does that say about science in general or these erudite NASA scientific priests are we just supposed to prostrate to them or what?

16:25 another couple of good points you make about nasa and conventional american politics weather on the left or right there's always someone who is critical organization in the other side isn't support when it comes to nasa everyone across the board unwavering religious acceptance of everything they say and do. And that's a bit of a red flag, as well as the moon landing, the whole moon landing thing which I think has been thoroughly shown to be stagecraft was only 11 years after NASA was funded and if they're willing to do something that's that elaborate of a forgery just eleven years into their existence...I mean what does that say about the organization as a whole? I mean i think it says everything that needs

17:08 Right? I mean, what more do you want to say. It's just...I mean it's yet and it's once again the government screwing the people and one thing I didn't really bring up which the other work that I do like covers but one thing I try to like repeat is that our world is run by a cultists man these are cultists these are people who are masters of language and symbol and numbers and reality and science and they know how to manipulate I mean, I've been saying this with the language for a long time. I've been saying this about the religions for a long time. I have been saying this about the math for a long time and so when we see this happening with NASA it's just yeah of course! The other thing about these occultists you have to understand is that the occult isn't necessarily evil

17:57 You have evil occultists in charge, yeah. But the same information that they're using to manipulate you is the same information that's going to free you." I think there's just a truth there. I just posted this thing a couple days ago. It was just a quote that I had came up with and it said, go young seeker, go dig down deep through our occulted world. Go mining and spelunking into what has been hidden but know this The further you go into the darkness, the more light you're gonna need. The same place where you go to find how evil and terrible these people are is the same place that you're going to find the snake that bit you... That's where you're gonna find the antivenom. You know what I mean? Yeah! Poetic man! And well i also know

18:40 that you're a fan of many of the great thinkers in the past. How has this affected the way you view guys like Copernicus or Pythagoras, or Galileo? Well I mean...I've never really been that big of a fan of these guys as far as It's like just because you point out somebody has, you know, has done some things in the past or whatever. But it's not like I was, you know, Galileo is a hero of mine. Like it was for maybe like Stephen Hawking's or something like that there. The other thing about when when you say like, like I've used the quote always number Pythagoras said right? Well people have said like Pythagoras was like a sphere earth or whatever

19:22 Just so you know, Pythagoras probably didn't even exist. In fact I did a whole broadcast – not a whole broadcast but a good portion of the broadcast on 42 Minutes over at The Sync Book talking to Douglas Bowles about how he was actually quoting from this other book about how Pythagoras was probably more like a mythological character that there was just a group of people that created this sort of whatever you want human being and that this was Pythagoras. When we say, ìAh, Pythagoras! He was a heliocentrist or whateverî, dude you donít even know if that guy existed. Itís like when people argue about Jesusís birthday. Itís like, ìWell no it was on September 11th manÖî itís like dude, we donít even know if that guy lived?

20:06 So are you really going to have some grand argument over these things or we just going to take what we know and try to find the truth as best as we can? It's not like I've looked back and been like, oh! I was following the wrong people. I was following what was in my heart, following truth period. Yeah that makes sense but it just has me curious because i think if the flat earth model is the correct model and we've been tricked into a big bang heliocentric randomized universe type of model, it just makes me wonder are these people deceivers? I've kind of wanted to deconstruct the globe models implementation and rise and see because there might be clues there into not only is it really a manipulation and obviously who would be behind it. How did it get implemented so those are curious things to me. I don't know how much you dug into that aspect of it

21:04 Well, this is the problem I have with history. We know that history is made by the winners for lack of a better term. History is full of lies. It's constantly being manipulated and distorted. Whatever you think about Copernicus or whatever, that book was released on its deathbed so who the fuck to say that guy even wrote it? You know what i'm saying henry cavendish right henry well i talked about henry cavendish who's the guy that supposedly created or found the gravitational constant big g. Will supposedly his manuscripts and stuff weren't even found till he was dead so who is to say that oh copernicus and cavendish were part of some grand conspiracy

21:47 Or they were just tools. They were just tools, they were what do they call them? Useful idiots or whatever you want to say that there's somebody that wanted manipulate history and evil dark occultists came along and said no! We'll distort this so I mean how much of that has happened in our history most We could say that most of our history is like that. And so, since we don't have an objective record of history it's really hard for us to comb back through 500 years a thousand years and say well this is exactly what happened. We can't trust this character because history told us this. Well that's a dangerous road to go down It is, it is. And that Copernicus anecdote is interesting and it parallels something we've talked about recently with Stephen Hawking's the dark possibility that he's not saying what his computer says he's saying and that everybody stands up in claps when he comes into a room and he's the champion of the entire scientific model basically everything that comes out of his mind

22:46 what science thinks and there's no guarantee that he is saying that. That's dark, but... Yeah but at the same time would you put it past a psychopath to do that? Right and how convenient that the leading scientific mind can't actually speak his own real words. He can't speak or write I mean, I'm not saying this or whatever but is it a possibility? Yes. Some people... It's interesting even people that listen to the show like this would be like oh this is ridiculous fuck Greg, fuck Marty you know whatever and its amazing how many people will not even consider things like this This was several years back This kind of off topic but it's kinda an analogy that I have a friend who he's really smart dude He's pretty open minded stuff like that

23:35 I showed him Barack Obama's birth certificate. My friend, my friend Dylan is like that like so this is six seven years back whatever it was he sent me this thing he's like dude you got to go and check out Barack Obama's birth certificate It's online at government dot or you know duck of Go check it out So I downloaded the thing and I'm like I don't give a shit where he's born I have no stake in now who cares? I don't care at all didn't isn't I'm not part of that conversation whatsoever But it interested me so I downloaded the thing opened it up and the thing is in layers. Which if you know the Adobe Suite, when he was born is impossible! It's just impossible so not only is the thing in layers but you can actually go and see where the government or whoever was manipulated document. So I don't care where he's born I have no stake this isn't a Democrat Republican thing I just don't give a shit but I want to go tell my friend like look man I work on the Adobe suite I've been doing this stuff my whole life

24:26 I can tell you 100% that this document, wherever he was born whatever is a fake. And I told him this and he just would not have it. I could've shown him proof after proof after proof and it does not matter! It didn't matter to him because he had already had in his mind that's ridiculous. Well welcome to flat earth It's the same thing. People have it in their mind that this is ridiculous, shut up I'm not listening to this so it doesn't matter you can show them proofs you can show hey man I've seen something thats 30 miles off the coast thats supposed to be over those fear and I can show them there no way we could even prove that the sun is 93 million miles away or that the moon is a reflective light blah blah blah you go down that and alot of times it just doesn't matter

25:07 because people, they've already formed their opinions and it's based on their entire image of themselves on those things. And so to destroy them is to ask them to go through that process of really enlightenment which is a destructive process you know what I'm saying? Absolutely. And I know that as soon as you put that video out, it's got to be all anybody wants to talk to you about it. You know? I know how these things are and now the flat earth is but your work about gematria has also advanced a lot lately and I want to make sure we talk about that too just to segue into it has this seemingly unrelated work helped to shed light on NASA or the flat earth in any way this gematria work

25:51 Yeah, actually what I plan to do. I'm finishing the I'm actually taking going to 410s at work And I'm gonna finish my book in the next couple months and then after that I'm going to do a web series lecture series where I'm actually gonna stand up in front of people and Do like 40 minutes or whatever? A lecture series and the first two that I've already sort of sketched out is you know I mean they go over the cipher and then actually show this how it's expressed in the UN logo which is a supposedly, well it's the azimuthal equidistant projection but what many people are claiming could be a variation anyway of a flat earth map. So I'm going to show how the mathematics of the English alphabet are encoded in that

26:27 That's going to be the first video. The second one I'm going to do a little bit on the International Space Station directly because there is a ton of esoteric shit in that, that is just pretty amazing but it's going to be awhile before I do this just because I am a busy guy so there has been a lot of things that have come out with the work that I'm engaged in. And it's pretty interesting, man. But the other thing too though is that as much as I feel like this is a gravely important discussion to have, I also don't think it's the only discussion to have and then the next book that I'm putting out there's nothing flatter than at all because you know I'd already had the book sketched out and there was no need for it because there are all these other things that I want to discuss that to me are infinitely important as this discussion. Yeah man one connection I did see you make

27:16 between gematria, the cipher for the English language and some of this stuff with NASA is numerically I guess the degrees of the freemasonic square and compass would be 47 for the compass and 90 for the square which equals 137 which is the same as the numerical value of National Aeronautics Space Administration when you lay it onto your cipher. I mean, that's pretty impressive right? Just a coincidence man! No, I mean that shows you how occultists are running our world man. So what you were saying is on the cover of The Masonic Bible I have which is just a King James Bible was just made by the Masons so its

28:05 King James Bible that anybody gets, but they put some more stuff in the beginning and the end. There's this Freemason symbol on the cover of it." Well, there's ... The compass is open to 47 degrees. Well, the degrees between Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn no matter what model you look at are at 47 degrees so here you have the path of the sun in the Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn in the degrees of the compass right on the cover there. And then of course, like as you were saying you have the 90 and 90 plus 47 is 137 and yes National Aeronautics and Space Administration equals 137 in this cipher. 137 is the 33rd prime number so 137, 137.5 this is the degree of phylotaxis it's the degree in which plants will arrange their leaves around a central stalk in order to receive the optimal light and rain that sort

28:58 So here you have a singular number pointing to the number 33 and pointing to fundamental architecture, architecture within our creation. And it's all in a symbol. This is the level of information that these dark occultists are hiding from you. If you've seen any of the videos that I do and read any of the books and things like And this is actually, I'm speaking at the Lightning in a Bottle festival this weekend, this upcoming weekend in California. And this is actually what I'll be covering is that one of things, the main thing that these dark occultists are hiding from you is the nature of your own divinity, it's how to understand

29:39 how to verify it, with the precision and exactitude of mathematics. And this is the thing that they're ultimately hiding from you. and its implications, its religious and spiritual implications for a creator. I don't like those kind of questions in that area. They're not – I'm not comfortable there but you can't deny that it brings in all these other questions and why would they do this? Well as you've put it they're playing God. They are literally replacing God. Yes! That's what they are doing.

30:16 i mean that's exactly what they're doing the thing is except their god isn't the god of the great spiritual essence you know, the creator of the whole thing there god is themselves you know to me and that they are gonna watch out for your bloodline in your family and They want to control the world because if they control the world, they get to play God. Which means they do what they want. They control a money system I mean we've had a conversation before it was like well What would be the end goal of the elite? Money... Well no! They print all the money Yeah, they make it. They make it so what was its obviously not money so and then you say well as power why will there just drunk on power no because their power is a is the power of epic proportions and so once again that's a thats a realization people need to come to and your really only gonna come to if you study vehicle or the deep esoteric

31:12 is to realize that the greatest of lights has that shadow and we're looking at that shadow right now. And unfortunately, that shadow is in control. Right? Whether or not you put stock in the flat earth model, the materialist paradigm itself does the same thing, right? I mean they took the world from a place where many cultures had a connection to nature, to the spirit world and consciousness and yes, a creator if we want to throw that into And despite the composition of the earth, they've gone to some extreme lengths to pull us away from that mindset. It's just how bold do you think that lie was? At what stop did you want to get off the train? But broadly speaking I think a lot of us are in agreement about recognizing that manipulated shift in human understanding. Yeah, I mean...I think so

31:54 At this point, it's just like whether flat earth or not flat earth that this is what they're doing anyway. I mean this is something once again that I'd come to long before I never even heard of flat Earth you know was like I completely understood That this is what these people were doing that they were controlling humanity to play God Play god with you to control your life to control your children, your children's children's children did to dumb you down to manipulate you to indoctrinate you do proper get no propaganda is you and they're gonna use every tool in their chest what is that it's the money system it's the media it's the language of symbols religions science everything. And that's a dark

32:32 thing to talk about one of the reasons i don't talk about a lot of this stuff or heartburn is because well i mean just go cruising through youtube and you can find a thousand ten thousand different channels are gonna be talking about the dark side of this stuff and here i am ready leave thirty three over my dusty corner in the internet showing the light that these people have taken you know and looking at the body of knowledge and saying no mankind what there is a creator you can come to understand the creator it's interpenetrate in interviews through every single bit of us every single aspect of this creation and we can come we can take the knowledge back because if you understand what they're doing you understand the knowledge of.

33:16 The divine how that can be understood through geometry and even our language in the numbers and symbols and things like that you can take this back and then they can use it against you. You know i'm like i made my peace with the earth which is to say i want to get out of here anything like that but i'm not scared these people are all not scared what they do because i've I've made peace with myself and the people around me, and the creation itself because i come to understand this stuff intrinsically intuitively. And so that's just kind of where i'm at and that's why i do what i do. For sure man! You mentioned you're putting together something on the ISS. I know it's probably not totally fleshed out yet but can you give us a little taste? Because the ISS is one of those things

34:05 that has me a little bit confused because I've seen the fake videos. I've seen plenty of NASA footage, they say it's people on the ISS but yet their hair moves as if it's propped up with hairspray you can see wires there are all kinds of inconsistencies in the video but then you go on NASA website and they tell you where the ISS is supposed to be flying over and I have gone out into the street in front my house Of course its just a little dot But you do see something move across the sky in the exact place where they say it's going to be. And I've heard people say that if you have ham radios or whatever, you can sometimes catch a signal from it if it's flying overhead but what can you say about the ISS? Because it is one of those things that has got me right in the middle.

34:53 A lot of the things that i'm gonna cover with the ISS are in the esoteric realm. I am looking at the numbers letter associated with the ISS, what ISS stands for and taking a look at their logo and that sort of thing so thats some stuff im going to cover as far like substantiating the ISS. I mean, there's been people that have said yeah i can see it look at me all i have to do is look up in the sky and i can take a telescope and i can see an image of the ISS as its flying across yeah well in japan they have an image of somebody singing on stage and they get 40 000 people to go and it's a hologram you know when people you have to realize that this is well known even not even in conspiracy circles or whatever that the r&d you know the research

35:38 government is 20 to 25 years, if not more beyond what we get at Best Buy and probably more than that. So the idea that when you look at Project Bluebeam and stuff like that they couldn't fabricate this... What would be easier? To flash something on a dome a hologram up there to convince people that they made this International Space Station or construct the International Space Station from, you know, from spaceships at 17500 miles an hour. What do you think's easier? What what do we have the technology to actually do right now? Well, we know we have the technology to blast a hologram up there. We know we haven't got

36:17 do we can we right now can we send people up in a spaceship even if it was just a few miles of the air and create something like international space station. No no as we're flying through you know just regular jets yeah i mean just be reasonable so you ask questions like that and then you say no i don't know what's going on with the international space station do i believe its out there have no evidence to say is whatsoever And the people give a little shout out to Jarenism here. I don't know if you know Jaren Campanella, he's got a whole channel called Jarenism and he spent a lot of time deconstructing the International Space Station. He has video upon video of it and you spend an hour or two smoking jay sit down with Jaren for hours

37:05 And you're going to see how much bullshit it is. There's just, and that's just where I'm at right now once again, you know what? I'm not the kind of guy that's trying to convince you of anything. I'm just saying as for me going into this discussion when I started to do the video, I didn't have any stake in the matter. I didn't care whether the Earth was round or flat. And obviously, I know you're not trying to be a champion for this. I don't want to hit you with too many of these flat earth questions but on the subject of projecting something onto supposed dome? What do you think about space because just like some people say they can see the ISS, you can look in a telescope and see planets shaped like they say they're supposed to be shaped. You can see rings around Saturn and that kind of thing. What do you think people are seeing when they're looking at a telescope like that more projections

38:06 Well, I mean the idea that people have said well the moon is a hologram and things like that and it's created by the US government. Don't I know it? Yeah right so um whatever I mean talk about that considerate obviously throw it on the table for consideration otherwise you're not really doing science One thing I always went back to was the traditions, though. What did the people of the past have to say about? As far as I know, the stars have always hung like lamps in the heavens. The moon and sun had been there for a very long time and they were not fabrications made by man. One thing that's happened in how I understand it because things that I discuss are more theologically based

38:46 How I've come to understand it is what these evil dark occultists, you want to call them demonic. You want to call them Satanist whatever you want to call him one thing that they've done is like I said they're playing God. They've taken the spiritual realms and made them material. They've objectified them so how how many people in the past have actually gone up and touch the surface of the moon well i don't really know for a fact but i can pretty much say that nobody is nobody that's ever been to the moon if you can even touch them if it is even terry firmer whatever

39:22 So what is the moon and sun to you ultimately? Well, it's a spiritual subjective thing. It's like that Robert Anton Wilson thing where I think he was talking about William Blake and somebody said oh what's the Sun well it's just a big burning ball of gas and then William Blake's like no it says it's a thousand choir isn't thousand angels you know angelic choir singing me songs of the heavens What is that subjectively to you? What does the sun subjectively mean to you, what's the moon subjectively mean to you. What does it mean that no matter what the model is, that the sun and the moon and stars appear to revolve around you. We talk about like...what is the moon? Is it round or flat, concave or convex blah blah blah but then do we ever ask well what does the moon mean to us? In a video I said

40:11 The sun and the moon to me are declarations of cosmic grace that's exactly what they are the sun is that. The chronicler it's the tempo and rate and rhythm of time is what creates day and night you know so what does the sun brings me to light and brings me darkness what is the moon to meet well this is something i'm actually gonna talk about in this next lecture on doing but interesting that women's menstrual cycles are tied to the moon, add the moon is pretty much been clocked as a twenty eight days period. and of course women's menstrual cycles are every 28 days. Well, you find the number 28 right in your two hands and it is also interesting that when a woman, when her egg drops during ovulation it is actually at the 14th day so you have 14 phalanges on your left hand and you have 14 on your right

40:57 So here it is, the moonth or the month or the moon and the 28 day cycle of the moon not only is tied to menstruation which means that its tied to every single human being that's been born on this planet. The time of ovulation when a woman is most fertile is right between your hands so how many people know this? How many people have never considered this and then how many people take that information and then say what is the moon Well, the moon is once again it's an example of a cosmic race. It's that object or subject or whatever you want to call it thats in the heavens that allows us to understand as above so below and allows us to tie ourselves into the heavens and cycles of heaven. And thats what spiritual means! Spiritual mean spiral ritual. That where the word comes from So when we talk about am I a spiritual person man? Well how connected are you to these things because you can be very connected to them

41:48 Yeah, interesting man. Another thing I got from your video that I think would shock a lot of people who might be kind of rolling their eyes at Flat Earth Talk we talked about old cultures that people respect their esoteric knowledge but ignore the flat earth component You have a quote from Nikola Tesla that surprised me, that he's talking about the Earth is a realm not a planet and that these stars are attached to the firmament. I mean who knew that? Well let me say this...I believe that quote, I attributed that quote incorrectly but i'm glad you're bringing it up because other people have brought it up and this is actually an important point when we talk about doing science

42:31 So I did that movie, it took me like three and a half months just on my spare time. And I covered a lot of stuff. I was going through a ton of information at that point not only the information but writing it editing it things like that so just like every other video I put out in every other book I put out and every record I've put out as soon as you do what you look back and say oh shit I should have done better That was incorrect that sort of thing You always have the criticism so I knew in this video that I was gonna do that And as soon as I put it out, there was things that were like, ah, could have done that better. You know, I did that wrong and sort of thing. So one of the things in that video was that quote that I had two sources of it and one was actually cosmic creations dot com. It turns out that that was incorrect so some people had jumped on it right? Like oh you're a liar! You know, your trying to deceive people and stuff like that. No man, I made a mistake

43:24 No and so what you're doing there is cherry picking out of a general trajectory of an idea going to cherry pick something in there for using that as something to discredit or backup your beliefs, show me it's actually important that i left it in their number one if its incorrect everybody goes and says look marty fucked up. Marty made a mistake. Go point that out and make sure everybody knows about it." But what you also have to do in the scientific method, to uphold just civility in the scientific method is when you point out things that are incorrect, you also have to point out the things I got right or the things that are legitimate things to discuss, legitimate arguments. And we're not doing that in this community

44:10 We're not this is not happening in academia that's for sure and i said that with the number of numerology work that i've done i made mistakes in the past. And so somebody will go along and be like, oh look he made a mistake. He added word wrong or he got historical context wrong therefore we should just dismiss the entirety of his work and that's asinine here is analogy like if you go in your college university and take final exam on chemistry anatomy whatever it is and use 100 questions and you get 20 of them wrong well you got twenty questions just run you're wrong

44:47 wrong, 100% wrong. You got them wrong but you got 80 of them right which means that you passed right? But how many people in this community will look at the 20 things somebody got wrong and then completely dismiss it yet in a university setting thats a B so I know everything that I've produced Videos the books this is last video there are things that are wrong and so it's very important people going to those things out but you also have to point out what you got right it's important. Yeah it is fair my bad man no no it's not your bed i'm actually glad we're talking about this because people brought up and its important yeah,

45:27 Okay, so to ask you the big icky question for me. I know it's something that is important to you and I think it jives with a lot of people who are listening and also people who are in the Flat Earth community but how has this journey affected your thoughts about life and spirituality? a possible creator because this is your most recent presentation is pretty focused on this. It hasn't okay so for me it really did not change too much because I had already come to the conclusion that man was central to the mystery no matter if this wasn't illusion, a hologram. I had already come to this idea that somehow no matter what was going on that man and his consciousness was sort of central to the thing and that creator or this great spirit or grand architect or great geometer whatever you want to call this thing put mankind central to the mystery

46:22 it's consciousness through man and so man was actually an experience of the god thing in itself, answer that sort of feedback loop that's a mobius strip of consciousness or whatever you want to call is actually what's going on. So when the flatter thing came up not only did it wasn't in accord with a lot of the ancient people had said it was in accord with what I was already thinking The only difference was it wasn't saying that, oh no. What we're saying is man is literally central to the entire universe that literally the land mass that he's standing on and his in the drama and experience of mankind essential to the whole thing so I was already there you know what in that respect? So didn't really change much spiritually for me but II know what has helped people spiritually

47:09 And there's been a lot of people that have been like, hey this has helped me understand the creator better. So that's good I don't know if this is going to help or hurt what i'm doing it doesn't really matter I'm just gonna keep on doing what I'm doing anyway but It really hasn't changed my opinions towards the creator at all because like I said I was already there Fair. Yeah, well I like getting into the depth of some of the stuff you talked about in that latest presentation You get into the idea that there is a cohesive message parallel messages that come through not only nearly all religions but also the teachings of the Kabbalah the core beliefs of The main secret societies like Freemasons and the OTO what it

47:50 Is that central message to you what is that core message about life consciousness origins that whole thing the central thing is that man has put on this earth to undergo a great journey a great quest that he's put on the path and ultimately that path is defined something that was hidden within him and that is the entire reason that the thing was created in itself. at least as far as the drama of man is concerned, that God lost itself in its own creation and that man has put through the test and trials to go through and find that thing. And ultimately that thing is, to put it simply—and not to sound all new-agey and shit but love

48:30 One of the things that I came to, I talked about in that video. The flat earth video was the weighing heart ceremony that the crux of Egyptian philosophical thought was basically this idea that after you died your just like a lot of other cultures they talked about you'd have this sort of review of your life right? God would pop in the DVD and take a look at what she did and then you know you have that review and ultimately if your heart was as light or is lighter than a feather, then you would go back and embrace with the oneness. The great undifferentiated light of the creator kind of thing. And so that to me is the central thing that's being hidden

49:11 And so when you look at the dark occultists of the world, the people that are manipulating our reality. They're trying to steer away from that is anyway they can and thats why you have so much of this appealing to man's lower natures sex eating fighting fear all these sorts of things these are like highlighted in our society because because it steers you away from that path, which is a path of nobility. It's a spiritual path of morality and ethics and how much care and compassion you have towards your fellow man, how much love you're bringing to the earth, how much you're inspiring people. And that is really what the work I'm focused on is all about. What does Flat Earthen have to say about

49:57 If you and I were standing next to each other right now, would it matter what the shape of the earth is? Would it be flat or round? No. What would matter? We'd probably just say hey we're going to finish smoking this whole bag but then what would matter? Are we following the golden rule? Do we care for one another? Are we being kind to one another? Are we choosing to coexist even though we have differences? These are things that matter And so that I think is the great mystery and quest of the human being, and that's what's being hidden. Once again, that's just hiding the divine within it's trying to divert you from that path of finding that.

50:36 I would say this, this is the other thing. That this isn't something that has to be hidden in fact i think cultures of the past actually taught us stuff for their children that it was actually a process of growing up was a process like you couldn't enter the tribe unless you decided and less you're going to be a man if you will you are gonna be an outstanding human being you were gonna live nobly and ethically and morally and you can do what's best for the community these are things and these sorts of things were taught to children when you look at native cultures, I think this is exactly what they were teaching. Right, and apparently you know it's not really that hidden according to some of your presentations if you look at mathematics and nature You know one of the things I'm talking about in this this lecture. I'm doing It says like when thou shall reach true enlightenment when now comes to know thy true shape of the earth Said said no philosopher ever right? Yeah What did the philosophers say what did the Delphic Oracle say oh man know thyself and

51:35 and you shall know the universe and the gods. So these mysteries, all of these things that are hidden they're right in front of us like I was just talking about with the flanges of our hands it's right there! Our connection to the moon and our connection to this man's cycle coming through menstruation cycle ovulation cycle and all that stuff is connected... The sun is connected to the moon And all you have to do is a little math so all this stuff is right in front of us and they've done everything in their power to keep us from this to keep us from even understanding what's right in front of us. It's secrets in plain sight!

52:12 And I want to give people a little bit of context for your gematria work if they're not familiar, but to back it up a bit there. It seems like to simplify some of it when languages are formed all the major ones tend to have a mathematical code to them and the cipher or the way to decode the message tends to be in the core religious texts of that language is that basically can that template be applied to most languages? I honestly don't know i don't have a direct answer for that i do know that some of the major languages without question have a mathematical foundation this is just you know i mentioned this um did a couple podcasts back and my friend gave me this book and it's by this german linguist

52:52 He's just a regular run-of-the-mill academia linguist. He is not an esotericist, he is not a conspiracy theorist, he is just a professor and he wrote this book on number words and symbols that sort of thing. There are several pages in there where he goes and shows explicitly how Greek had a cipher Hebrew has numbers attached to their languages there's the abjad and Arabic etc., etc., etc. All these different languages absolutely had a mathematical cipher. Nothing controversial at all, so when you look at English and say is there one for that? Well the evidence I'm trying to put forward is yes they were encoding these things within for instance the Holy Bible and that particular one is something I've looked at because I know for a fact

53:37 At least to the best of my knowledge that it was encoded with decipher and there's just amazing things you can draw from it. And so yeah, when you look at the Holy Bible, you're looking at a mathematical document and what I'm trying to say is that you can prove that Yeah, I find that interesting because i'm not into the bible as a literal thing of course but we're talking about some people hiding a coded message in there that describes reality. That's something I can get into Can you give us a couple examples where you see that most? Well yeah, honestly

54:14 It's one of those things that as soon as we go into any one of them, we could spend two hours talking about it. You know what I mean? That's why i have to do videos and books and stuff like that because there is just so much you can extract One thing I always like to bring up with people is how this is hidden How this is occulted And why its so cryptic Number 1 the information has to be hidden in some way So that it will last throughout the ages I mean the Bible if anybody that picks up the Bible that has any sort of reason or rationale can tell you very clearly, it's highly symbolic and highly cryptic. And there is obviously where do you think the read between the lines comes from? It comes from the Bible so opening pages of the Bible Genesis 1 to whatever is talks about how God created the universe in seven days did some shit on first day was good second day was good

55:07 third day, blah blah blah. And then rested on the seventh day." Well everybody with any sort of philosophy can you know or studies of theology can look at this and say wait a second God's all-powerful he's omnipotent omniscient omnipresent he can create universes upon universes upon universes in a split second why in the world would it take this great this grand architect this great being seven days to create anything? It doesn't make any sense. It just fails logic 101, so then you have to say what are they talking about then? Well then you can actually go and find out that there's six directions mathematically when we look at your universe, your experience here, there's six directions of space resting on a seventh point

55:50 reverse up down left and right this is three dimensional mathematics in those opposites come together to a central point arresting points origin point well if you understand that the genesis of the creation of universe is talking about the genetics and jenna says of human being the universe of human being Then you realize that allegory of God doing his work in six days and resting on the seventh is talking about the creation of you. And so therefore, it's like what is the Holy Bible? It's talking about... I mean what else do you think it's talking about? You know, it's talking about the divinity of man! About how God lives through man. So that's one thing that you can kind of talk about to really just start to open that occult book up

56:33 Well, man I gotta let you go sometime. Uh, I do love talking to ya Obviously, we've been lied to in many areas. I like entertaining that to its furthest extreme and I respect you for putting yourself out there for it but before we go remind the people where they can get more Marty. MartyLeads33.com is the main website and then Marty Leads 33 on YouTube and then also on Facebook friend me there post stuff all the time so that's cool and what's coming up? Like I said I got a book coming up. I'm going to hopefully record another record this year so that's coming And then after the book is done, I'm thinking about doing a planning and doing another lecture series and kind of starting from the ground floor again. And just kinda working through all this stuff again so...

57:14 Right on and also you mentioned this earlier and i post out myself but you are speaking at the lightning in a bottle festival yes i'm speaking this sunday with people like charles eisenstein is gonna be there princey who's like a hip hop artist and there's a bunch of people that are going to be there that should be pretty cool so looking forward to that. I think the tickets are sold out so if your their not looking forward seeing otherwise another time, for sure. And one other thing I forgot to throw out there that I got to throw out is when I went to Armenia with Graham Hancock, we took a picture by a stone that had a pyramid that supposedly a buried pyramid looks like a hill but they think it's a buried pyramid out there. But they found a stone that looks like the pyramid that might be under the dirt and there are some

58:02 leaves around it and it was you who looked at that picture on Facebook and found that when you take the steps of that pyramid, it was broken up into levels. And you take the leaves around it, it encoded Pi and only you were going to find them man! I thought it was pretty fascinating. I told Graham he thought it was interesting but I just wanted to give you props because you do a lot of great work in In that number decoding realm and now it's just more icing on the cake thanks yeah when i saw that i immediately pick that up and i was like oh, Yeah, I figured you would get it. So that's cool. Yeah the frickin internet man here yet researchers in Armenia that have been there for a long time looking at these things they got the stone they never mentioned that Marty leads figures out but yeah well keep doing what you do and I do enjoy it look me up when you're in the neighborhood and take care out there alright thanks man You got it

58:58 There it is guys, the great Marty Leeds. I love that guy! And as soon as i saw his Flat Earth doc go up... ...I knew we were probably going to talk about it here It's a good video for sure for those who have any interest in this kind of stuff Obviously, I had a lot of Flat Earth questions prepared But as we went on, I tried to flex around other areas because I don't want a pigeon hole Marty into this being his only topic. And I got the vibe that he's trying to be cautious about that too, and he should! He's done a lot of great Gematria work decoding the cipher and seeing just how many areas it applies to as well as Pi in the natural codes of reality

59:35 You don't want your whole identity reduced to, oh he's a flat earth guy. And I don't want to contribute to that happening to him so it's a fine line but allow me to speculate a bit on this overreaching topic and take it to a darker place because imagine any simulated environment there are going to be patterns in the code things like pi and the fibonacci sequence make total sense if there is a quote-unquote creator But we use that term almost exclusively in a positive sense. And that's a slippery slope to me because any gamer knows Banjo-Kazooie and Dead Space are both video game worlds, both contain evidence of a creator of higher intelligence and patterns in the structure you could spend a lot of time appreciating the elegance and sublime patterns that make up these equally perfect incomplete worlds

1:00:25 But world-building genius doesn't really have many implications for a creator's morality, does it? Because believe me the dead space and Banjo Kazooie worlds are very different places to be. So to judge your creators' morality I suppose you have to look at the experience in this simulation and we live in a world where love is no guarantee but pain and death surely are Say what you will about being a vegetarian and not eating God's creatures but they'll sure as fuck eat you Without human intervention, almost any animal on this planet would die slowly as the plaything in the jaws of something larger. With human intervention they're locked in zoo cages where their natural desires are crushed under the weight of our fondness for seeing every animal when we choose to wander past and snap a few pictures or even worse if we're talking about one of the random animals we've marked for consumption well welcome to The Slaughterhouse

1:01:17 It just begs the question, is our reality a perfect happy place birthed from the mind of a just and loving God? Or will you die if you can't find water in 24 hours or for some reason find yourself in 10 hours of New Mexico desert sun. Is this really paradise or more like a terrarium of terror we've luckily beaten to submission so that we can live out our lives We do have ourselves to thank for building shelters and tweaking our environment so it doesn't seem that hostile. But when I look at the framework of the world built around us, try living in it for a week without the cushy comforts we've added to the game. When I look at areas on this planet that don't have these cushy amenities like parts of Africa, that's where I see the environment as the creator intended and its not great. Lotta bloated babies slowly dying in the hot sun

1:02:04 Or, take it to the Amazon. Sure they seem happy but that's because they're constantly tripping out on ayahuasca setting their consciousness as far away from here as they can requiring a constant reminder that this is just a dream otherwise they'd go nuts! Of course I'm kind of joking and just plain devils advocate for the counterpoints here and i'm not trying to make light of people in horrible situations Just pointing out the reality trying to redefine this paradise In more realistic terms If you disagree, go live in the natural world for a bit. Have you even seen Naked and Afraid? They know the game ends in 21 days and half of them still can't make it through

1:02:42 But if I were to use the material world as the basis for understanding the personality of the Creator, i'd say he's chaotic neutral at best. Which is fine by me obviously it's not all bad, I did just get engaged this weekend but... If you haven't seen The Book Of Mormon that's basically its whole premise simple-minded Mormons on a mission to Uganda telling impoverished people under the thumb of brutal warlords about the loving embrace of Jesus You know, yeah maybe bring them food or supplies for a hospital instead of a box of bibles. But I've gotten pretty far away from any real point here but i do hope that you liked this episode overall regardless of how you feel about the flat earth. I do think we should have a little self-awareness about our aggressive emotional knee jerk reactions to something as unoffensive as someone considering a different shape of the earth...you know?

1:03:34 Because honestly, I have more in common with a flat earther than someone who stands in line for hours just to give Hillary Clinton a standing ovation. Right? And there's a lot of them out there! I'd rather hang out with someone who takes their analysis of deception too far rather than someone that doesn't see it at all And we can find a lot of common ground around the manipulation of the education system and scientific quarantine in the lives at NASA. I actually think some of this satellite material is their best stuff, were told tens of thousands are up there. Their designs haven't really advanced in decades if you do some google searching, we have no real photos

1:04:12 They never seem to crash or fall to earth, the International Space Station never hits any of them. It's compelling that this was all a lie although I've had listeners write me and say they work on satellites and track them every day and understand how someone like that would think i'm a fucking idiot But what are you really tracking? Are you seeing satellites with your own eyes or are you tracking dots on a radar system. If I gave you a job watching an automated game of pong on the screen and told that was something going in space, when you see a shooting star you're getting a short glimpse from one paddle to another. Just because it's on the screen doesn't mean it is real thing. It won't be sufficient evidence

1:04:55 And you can get stuck in a cycle of confirmation bias and taking this to a place where no evidence is going to be good enough. I don't want to be like that, but I don't know why people get so emotional about the stuff in this flat earth realm? We alternative thinkers are already a small group! Why divide ourselves further? I get constant emails about how listeners love the general THC material and wish they had someone to talk about these things with in their regular life. So be nice to the flat earthers. They agree with everything you do up until a point and that's better than nothing, right? Or you can join the THC subreddit which could use some new posters or if you want to go further, the THC Plus forums

1:05:40 where good things do seem to be happening. But I guess that's it! In the PLUS show we did talk about some great stuff, how the nearly universal disliking of math is part of the indoctrination design, Marty's thoughts on Neil deGrasse Tyson... We talked about the Arctic and Antarctic regions of the flat Earth one my favorite areas to talk about in either paradigm. Marty talked about how the number 7 encodes the sun and moon and why the government finds it necessary to withhold this information from school children And we got into UFOs and alien abduction, which Marty doesn't talk about a whole lot. But we went there and speculated a bit about it... ...and how that fits into a flat earth paradigm. Maybe these beings have been here longer than us? And live under the ground! Fun stuff this week is no exception Sign up for Marty Leeds Stay for the week after week after week of conspiracy goodness

1:06:34 So let me leave it there. Big thanks to Marty, congrats to him for speaking at Lightning in a Bottle where your humble host had slammed his door in the face of the universe and said I don't want your opportunity for new experiences and exciting life milestones! I'm too comfortable where its safe So be a better man than I and i'll see you next week. June is gonna kick ass for THC listeners Sign up for plus if you haven't it's the air that I breathe people That's it from me this week your move masters of manipulation and quarantiners of the composition conspiracy Your fucking move, and here's a little tunage by Marty himself called torture to take us home Calling out your name

1:07:20 And the echo's all the same. And the plane I walk resounds with the sounds of you. I've been surfing wax and rain, snapping pictures in a frame Of all the memories in the book to believe are true It was cravings when you... Like a bird lifting ashes past our cracks And like a song that

1:07:58 No need to go ask your man, cause around this brother station that I chose This is torture, I'm getting a man from power I've been seeking for my same A quest that brings such pain And I dare go down and roll one more time My heart is disappearing And the shackles of all my old fears In a dream, I could finally see my heart It was cravings when you like a burn Left me as best I'm crashed out And like a sun that never sets No need to go ask your man Cause around it, you're the station That I chose This torture, yeah