Mark Devlin | Musical Truth 2, Lifetime Actors, & Weaponized Sound

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03:06 Here we go, Hireside Chatters. Another day another deep dive into the strange conditions we find ourselves living under on this island Earth a place where pacified people parlay their purposeless professions into night-long Netflix sessions extended Xbox marathons and social media scrolling just waiting for the next ecstasy fueled music festival where weaponized pharmacology, weaponized entertainment and weaponize sound all come together in a harmony of social engineering hell And it might sound a bit over the top until you examine history of film to find that its earliest uses were to inject wartime propaganda and positive PR for the robber barons. Maybe look at television and its sole purpose, to show you bright lights in pretty colors just long enough to get to the next commercial break all while taking your brainwaves down to the level of a nice hypnotic numbness

03:56 Or perhaps you noticed the odd connections between military intelligence, banking families and knighthood that plague the artists and actors you think you know and love. Folks they call it programming for a reason! And none know this better than Mark Devlin one of the returning champions of dissecting conspiratorial culture creation If you don't remember Mark is a UK based club and radio DJ who in more recent years has begun speaking out about the dark forces that have been manipulating the music industry for decades This led to the publication of his book musical truth in two thousand sixteen and he joins us now having just released musical truth volume two and honor a pleasure the man who knows the plan mark devlin welcome back my man. Well thanks greg i think you just wrote another half a book right there brother

04:42 Yes well people's attention is such a hot commodity these days especially online you gotta do something to grab quick because otherwise i'll just slip right through your fingers entirely. Well absolutely i commend you on that and looking forward to link up with you soon in your hometown as well coming out to san diego Indeed man it's gonna be a lot of fun i had a great time taking the laurel canyon tour last time you were in the area we went through and took a peek at the homes and locations of a lotta key events from that time period in the sixties got the royal treatment for my guy who really knows the history there so.

05:19 Thanks for letting me and the wife tag along. For people who didn't see it, we did put up a little video of that conspiratorial tour you can probably find on Facebook or YouTube and either way I am sure we're gonna have a great time in sunny San Diego as well! Yeah man that was right in the belly of the beast where all that stuff was happening so... San Diego is the next chapter and I don't smoke too much of a little smoke but I might be tempted to have a drink You never know Yes, I like it However I can corrupt you is fine with me Man It was just a blast the last time we've talked you know you done a lot of work dissecting that deception of the musical offerings of the sixties as well as the weaponization of hip hop into gangster rap and.

06:01 Of course if it's been successful in those genres i'm sure we're gonna find musical manipulation spirals out and all directions and areas of entertainment we might not realize or have maybe not wanted to realize which is pretty much the primer for a musical truth too when you say. Yeah i'm sort of going john robin genre really it's a case of who are they not pissed off yet whose heroes about not thrown out yet. It feels like that sometimes, I'm not setting out to do that but it really feels like I'm pissing on a whole load of parades and is quite difficult job to do because people do have a lot emotional attachment to certain music genres and certain acts big names in the field and they don't take kindly somebody like me coming along and saying hey did you realize there's this to know about

06:46 This person in terms of their affiliations and the bloodline or whatever so it's not always a popular job but it's an area of research that I think i'm cut out for. And its work but i think needs to be put out into the world and so here i am doing it Right on yeah i do find it to be just really mind blowing research what's so interesting about is just how all encompassing it is you start to feel like nothing is genuine but i guess that makes it easier to break the addiction at least right. Yeah i've gone step by step through this research and in the very early days i was quite green and quiet naive about all of it, i tend to think that it was miley cyrus and katie perry videos from the last few years that was full of all the imagery on the mind control stuff maybe nefarious sound frequencies in the productions.

07:35 But the more I delved into the whole area, I found myself going down so many different rabbit holes to use that old cliche which i'm sure is a familiar process for many researchers. And it came to discover that it goes all the way back to the early days of the industry and its not just pop music incorporates psychedelic rock and heavy metal and hip hop and electronic dance music even country and western music any kind of genre that is popular the spawn household names it's gonna bear the hallmarks of manipulation. People who not research did my think that sounds very paranoid, And that you're just setting out to find stuff that might not even be there. But the research bears it out when you look into the prominent names in all these fields, You discover there are connections going into military intelligence There's connections going into all facets of the establishment Ivy League colleges and universities Connections into government Connections into secret societies and fraternal mystery schools All that good stuff is right they're just waiting to be found

08:36 all these loose ends and just waiting to be tied together. And that's what my work has consisted of so Musical Truth 2, the new book has been tying together a whole bunch of loose ends taking up a few stories from volume one as well I'm following them through to some different conclusions and just looking at some new information as well which are not presented before but i think the overall factor that links all of this information is that of deception and duplicity. If there's an overriding message behind all this, it's these industries and these institutions have been used to

09:12 Manipulate and deceive the masses for a very long time but methods of the tactics that are used differ at the end of the day it's all about mind controlling us general public, i'm sewing certain beliefs in value systems and perceptions in the collective consciousness. I don't take kindly to being deceived and made a muggle. That was motivated me today when i discover that i've been juked i'm not happy about it And that's a very motivating thing i find. Cheers to that and it is kinda strange you think about it like well if entertainment is crafted by just a handful of names in the hand full of companies and corporations with some sketchy ties, why would the gatekeepers let anyone through this genuine if u have control of it no why wouldn't you just make a flavor for everyone when it comes to your control so

10:06 I mean it's far fetched when you start to like get down into it but at the same time, it makes total sense because you see who the big players are at the beginning and so right now. It seems like the biggest musical trend is EDM and rave culture kind of mixing that with pop artists something I've never really been able to get into but when you get into the roots of where it came from thats kinda where you started the book it almost looks like they took the lessons from in that nexus of music and LSD, and then fine-tuned it for a new generation. Couldn't you say? Absolutely! That's the way it looks to me, and I spent the first couple chapters of the book discussing that at some length

10:46 I'm not old enough to remember the six is counterculture saying so i've researched that from a detached perspective. When it comes to the UK acid house scene and the massive dance music phenomenon that kicked off, i was right there in nineteen eighty eight hours apart of it so i got some emotional attachment to that which is why when i discovered they were various aspects to it I felt more personally involved in this one and there are so many parallels and overlaps between that 67 summer of love. California and somebody researches in recent years with the availability of new information have shown how that whole scene if it wasn't started from day 1 by a CIA,

11:30 certainly was steered in desired directions under some very heavy influence from the CIA. When you factor in characters like The Grateful Dead, who were basically a group created by the agency and a couple of their members were part of The Bohemian Club as well which spawns the Bohemian Grove annual meetings which are quite notorious conspiracy circles then you get characters like Dr timothy leary the acid guru lsd advocate who in later years pretty much admitted. That he'd been in the employee of the CIA yet characters like ken kesey and his merry pranksters even you know terence mckenna seems to have had some attachment to the FBI from comments that he himself made, so all these key figures from that scene it can be shown had connections to the intel agencies

12:21 So, we can fast forward 21 years to what was dubbed the second summer of love coming out of the UK largely out London 1988 and we see so many parallels between this and that earlier scene. In 67 you had psychedelic rock music coming along to replace these previous forms of music going hand in hand with LSD being put out there in seemingly limitless quantities just coming out of nowhere being laptop enthusiastically by all these young people that were gathering in the city communes and festivals and stuff. Any UK in nineteen eighty eight you had this new form of electronic dance music known initially as acid house which again came out of nowhere very quickly and i was coupled with. Instant availability of large quantities of ecstasy which was the drug of choice for that particular scene e,

13:16 Or mdma as it's known its main chemical constituent and it's not these days in the us by the nickname molly. You know this stuff just came out of nowhere in eighty eight, add that whole movement was dubbed by the mainstream media at a time the second summer of love so there is the first clue but these two scenes may have been connected But there are many, many more. And I've got to say at the outset there's no documentary evidence that has come to light so there is no memos or whatever have come forward through Freedom of Information Act where MI6 or the Tavistock Institute or whatever has said oh we created the acid health scene in order to get loads of young people hooked on ecstasy and kick off this worldwide electronic dance music phenomenon so that we could socially engineer

14:03 Entire generations of people also there's no individuals come forward to say yes i worked on this project and that's what it was all about but maybe we shouldn't be too surprised. Nobody has come for them that basis i mean these things are supposed to be kept under wraps, When it comes to clues and visual indicators we get into this concept of placing the truth in plain sight revelation of the method which i think i touched on last time where the cultists that basically run all these projects feel the need to let us know what's really going on or be a very cryptic encoded kind of way. And there are so many of these when you look at some of the symbolism and imagery involved with the UK asset house seat

14:48 So everything has its own Wikipedia style cover story or official version of events as to where it came from. No and with you can't sit house we get this story of four young london djs having visited a beach in september nineteen eighty seven. For paul oakenfolds birthday is one of the prominent DJ's kicked off this whole thing and they were captivated so the story goes by the lyrics spirit and vibe, what's the scene out there largely through the records being played by this Argentinian DJ, Alfredo. And we're told they came back to London and they were so inspired by the wonderful spirit of what they'd experienced there dancing under the stars and getting high on the music that they decided to start their own nights in London club nights where they could play all this stuff So the four DJS involved were Danny Rampling Paul Oakenfold who's gone on to have a very successful career largely US based Nikki Holloway

15:47 And johnny walker not to be confused with the long time radio one dj johnnie walker but the trip that these four days made in eighty seven. Coincided very serendipitous lee with the influx of us house records so at that time there was a whole load of new records being produced on synthesizers or coming out of chicago and a few other american cities, And this observation was actually addressed by Paul Oakenfold himself and Pete Tong, who's another massively successful DJ and broadcaster also US based now. And I'm sure we'll get onto some more about Pete Tong in this conversation but these two in 1988 wrote an article for MixMag the leading UK dance music publication called The Belliric Beat Story

16:31 And in it they said the emergence of this movement in london as coincided quite conveniently. With the ever increasing popularity of acid house indeed how's music does provide a large proportion soundtrack new london clubs considered to be the pioneers of this new scene, what's something that you later would be massive thanks to what's been called the second summer of love So that kind of telling you what was going on there and then making the point all this. New dance music coming out of the us coincided very conveniently with these four djs go into a pizza i wanted to bring that spirit back to london,

17:08 So it causes me to ask whether this scene was being created in order to harness and steer off an emerging shift in consciousness that the controllers knew was coming at that time. And the reason I say that is because there was a very revealing interview by Danny Rampling, who's always been one of the more interesting DJs to listen to, in The Guardian newspaper in the UK in 2007 so he's looking back on the Acid House scene of 87 20 years earlier I need this interview he says i'll bring something different the table here i felt there was something deeper spiritually running through the whole experience, i discovered something recently through my own research in august nineteen eighty seven it was an event called harmonic convergence a global shift. Is what's in unity consciousness to dance rituals which is part of the mayor calendar teachings

18:01 You can actually go on Wikipedia and you get this account of what the harmonic convergence was all about. It's supposed to be an alignment of various planets which has affected the consciousness of humanity in certain ways So that's a very interesting thing i mean i've got questions now about the true cosmology of place we live as you well know greg but i do find it interesting that rambling mentioned spiritual consciousness component to this acid house scene kicking off when it did in eighty seven. So it's very interesting that in sixty seven you had all this talk of the age of a query is supposed to be this new age. I need energy or if it was being tapped into by discount culture psychedelic scene and then eighty seven we apparently got this shifting consciousness going on, add this dance music seeing blows up out of london along with xc to harness that whole thing i just stopped the second summer of love in the media that's pretty interesting to me

19:01 Absolutely and i'm so glad you touched on this part because this was definitely in my notes to get to this harmonic convergence apparently it marked a twenty five year lead into december twenty twelve at the end of the cycle as he said, add i am pretty convinced that these cycles and astrological conditions matter and that the elite work hard to manage them because i had. Pretty well established astrologers and magic practitioners here And they say, you know look when Saturn comes around it requires energy of a certain nature and you can either do nothing and let it determine how its going to like manifest or extract that energy. Or you can do something

19:45 That is kind of in line with its personality profile i guess would be a way to determine and. That's kinda the idea sacrifice we have all these indigenous cultures that at certain times they felt the need for a sacrifice because if there's an energy coming that wants death, you know don't just wait let it choose who dies no try to channel that and give it what it needs feed the beast so that leaves you alone anyway and i think the elite are doing this same kinda manipulation with these energies. I mean maybe they're amplifying negative ones and downplaying positive ones but it makes perfect sense that this would be an example of a energy coming that was going to shift consciousness in a positive way, and instead you just

20:34 kind of corral all those people and you send them spinning off into just this dream state of music festivals and ecstasy. And then, of course 2001 we have 9-11 which everyone talks about is a major timeline split and life hasn't been the same since that could possibly be an element of gearing up for that as well but I definitely think they're into timeline management and tying it into our music are entertainment and their attempts to try the channel this i mean i think you're right on man i got super provocative also probably. Right line with what's happening well that's right the elites plan not just years but decades in advance, can you hear a lot of research is talking about technology in that regard

21:21 You know it's known what technology we're gonna be using about thirty to forty years already been developed but is just not rolled out to the public until the time is deemed right so i think its perfectly feasible that the controllers, who again are a cultist let's not forget my study things like incoming shifts of consciousness if you place any stock in that. And it's very feasible that back in eighty seven Play what planning thirty years ahead as to where they wanted to take things. I make the point in the book that whenever you get any kind of fad or trend or movement that sweeps up large numbers of people and sends them off down a certain path in terms of their behaviors, cultural values and all that kinda thing. You can be sure it bears all the hallmarks of manipulation because the controllers have taken all this time and trouble to infiltrate every area of human society literally

22:17 I'm not gonna leave to random chance which kind of movements get as big as the electronic dance music scene date. All from these humble roots coming out of the acid house scene in the UK and 87. That's why i referred to the wikipedia official version of events because it's gonna be some kind of explanation given as to where any movement comes from, add more benign and well meaning it sounds the more likely is to be swallowed in terms of that's where it all came from but what if there's more to know just going back to this idea of shifting consciousness changing time

22:54 back in the late 80s, there were a number of very significant world-changing events which happened around that time. If you look at 1989 that marked the fall of the communist regime, the breaking up with the USSR and all these satellite Eastern Bloc Soviet states in Europe were all disintegrated it was the end of the Ceaușescu regime in Romania actually on the winter solstice I think 21st December 1989 Then you had Nelson Mandela being released from jail in 1990. I do actually remember that happening, so that kind of blows the Mandela effect out of the water in terms of my personal memories of it but

23:33 There all these other changes that were happening at the time the berlin wall came down at the end of eight nine cities are very significant world events and it does seem as if. Things were changing there i even recount an anecdote in a book about personal experience that i had in the early months of nineteen ninety where i feel i was tapping into, some sort of change in consciousness although i have no clue what's happening to me at the time so yeah for planning counts for a lot and these guys are masters at it Right and another aspect of all that to pile on is indigo kids used to hear about these philosophical higher consciousness super creative and artistic children that were being born, a new age as we're saying here are the clues that humanity is changing their consciousnesses changing and i don't hear about that at all anymore you know ten years later.

24:25 and we've definitely been weaponized with vaccines or something to cause autism. And you can almost say like, Here's an attack on the kids you know before they bring in all this new energy let's just hit him with some chemicals and destroy their lives. Who knows but i mean it seems like you can approach it from many different angles and, stories all seem to align to create a synergy of what the elite would want during a period of potential change that's right. You gotta look at where this whole scene when full circle bringing up today. Where we are now twenty eighteen

25:01 Looking at these massive, large-scale electronic dance music festivals that we have now there's some clues in the naming of them as to what I think the long term plan was. So many of the names of these events hint at digital and electronic ways of doing things and the future so you have events like Tomorrowland, Tomorrow World, Mystery Land...I've actually got a list of some here And if all these events were coming from different random promoters scattered all over the place. People might be able to make an argument for oh well it's all coincidence or they just inspire each other somebody comes up with a festival called tomorrow land and somebody else thinks that's a good idea i'll do one like that but when you find there will come in from the same place, it puts a different slot on the story and imagine in the book this company called SFX entertainment

25:53 Which has since changed its name and become a different company and it's now known as lifestyle inc. The end of twenty sixteen the operation emerged bankruptcy from sfx entertainment to become lifestyle ink on this website at the time when it was under the leadership of this guy called robert salomon, The chief executive their website said SFX entertainment is the largest global that goes that word again producer of live events and digital entertainment content focused exclusively on electronic music culture and other world class festivals. And it goes on to list some of the major

26:31 events that it's been behind and they include Tomorrowland, Tomorrow World, Mystery Land, Sensation, Stereosonic, Electric Zoo, Disco Donny Presents, Life in Color, Rockin' Rio, Nature One, Mayday, Decibel, Q-dance and React presents. It also says that SFX at the time operated Beatport, the principal online resource for electronic dance music DJs and a trusted destination for the growing EMC community, Electronic Music Culture. So this one organization was in charge of so much of that whole scene and where it was all going. And they had all these events where the names hinted

27:14 Futurism and artificial intelligence and digital ways of doing things you got so many other events like that did your dreams on other similarly named events. So i think there was something going on there in terms what the end game was, as a side all came from these humble beginnings that were sent around london in the second summer of love of eighty eight which are remember well remember nineteen eighty eight better than i remember yesterday and go and read into some of these clubs There were all kinds of little motifs and symbols that were associated with that scene as well. And actually a lot of these had throwbacks to the earlier 60s scene, so when Paul Oakenfold started his Spectrum night back in London as an offshoot for that famous Ibiza trip

28:00 He used an image of a great big bloodshot eyeball as the central motif for that night. And it also cropped up as the sleeve design for this record, Gibaro Electra which is one of the early Balearic Acid House records and that bloodshot eye was previously used by The Grateful Dead on a promotional poster back in the 60s I've got a bunch of Acid House flyers from nights in 1988 And as well as metaphysical and mystical ufo in alien themed symbology you've also got a lot of stuff that cropped up in the hippie era as well this planetary conjunctions there and bears.

28:41 Sunrises and solstices and things like that all kinds of esoteric and occult imagery on these acid house flyers you've got references to timothy leary. No is this guy called the divine style of hip hop who referred to himself as timothy lee really timothy lee really hit ball, You've got the phrase turn on tune in drop out, which was used big time back in the 60s cropping up on acid house flyers. You've got a bunch of early acid house records from 88 sampling things like The Prisoner that cult TV show from 67 which is very much part of the counterculture and using phrases like far out man and getting tripped out or things like that all this terminology from the 60's

29:22 So there's all kinds of clues there in the records themselves and the motif that was used for the acid house scene pretty much from the start it cropped up on the early flyers for Danny ramplings shum night. I'm not with one of those very early acid nights in london, The name show is set to represent the sensation that a club of fields when they can because from an ecstasy tablet first start kicking. Like you know go straight to the brain so that was the naming about nine and all over the flyers for it, You had a smiley yellow face which came to be the emblem of the acid house scene and absolutely synonymous with it by nineteen eighty eight you had ravers going out in acid house t shirts, what else is house badges or featuring these smiley yellow faces this molly yellow face also cropped up on the load of record sleeves it was essential design for bomb the base beat dis. Which was very big record in the UK in the early part of eighty eight

30:21 In the book i go into the history of the smiley yellow face and there's some very dark disturbing stuff to discover that so it first started to get use. In popular culture it seems in the late nineteen sixties going into seventies when is adopted by the advertising industry in the us at time, i will try to shake off some of the doom and gloom that was still hanging around in the wake of the vietnam war which was bringing a lot people down so What advertising agencies thought let's put the smiley yellow faces out to give people a more feel good optimistic outlook on life. Then it cropped up in the Watchmen series of graphic novels and comics, which were put out there by the illustrator Alan Moore a British animator who was also a big time occultist. It turns out with a reverence for wait for it the chaos magic teachings of Alastair Crowley have we heard him before anywhere? So you had to smiley yellow face there which appeared with a splatter blood on the corner of your face

31:23 And you know this stories as to how that smiley yellow face came around what it represents is all tied to chaos magic teachings and nihilistic ways of looking at things so yeah i'm not when bomb the base use it on their record sleep they featured the blood splatter from the watchman comics. In more recent years there's been a very dark and unsettling rendering of the smiley face, i just comes down to series of murders which has been going on for quite awhile in both the US and UK it would seem. Which have come to be known as the smiley face killings and greg let me ask you had you ever heard of these things before it cropped up my book

32:06 You know i'd say maybe little threads but definitely not tied together and definitely not at this magnitude but as a cultural symbol I think you know if we're gonna say that, a lot of things are manipulation thats my face stephanie seem like a very shallow like hey just smile who cares if you hate your job hey life the wars going on like he said you know just smile like the most simplistic type of. you know, cultural manipulation. But you really tie a lot of it together. Yeah I do think this is largely new material especially at this depth Right well the reason i asked you about this my face killing is because it seems to have achieved very little mainstream media coverage and start doing some talks around the book of us people at these talks have you heard of these feelings and most people haven't. I only came across it because i was put on to it by william ramsey who's a great researcher does his own radio shows stuff he's done a lot research into the smiley face killings as they've come to be known

33:04 So it seems to have been chalked up this series of murders has been choked up officially as far as that version things goes. Do the work of a serial killer but what, But when you look at the geographical spread of where these murders have been happening, there's no way one individual can be doing it because this happened all over the United States and has been a spate of them in the UK in lots of different geographical regions as well. So they would appear to be the work of a coordinated group and yet the police don't seem to be tying them all together and spotting the patterns But what's been happening is there has been a large number of young, clean-cut collegiate males in their early 20s that have disappeared on their way back from drinking at a bar or club or some sort of party. And so they disappear and the next thing that is heard about them is their bodies have been found

33:58 In water so it's like a river or creek or brook lake or something like that and somewhere in the vicinity of where the bodies have been found there's been a smiley face, dole on to rocks or trees onto the ground in pain. And that's why these are going to be known as locally is this money face killings So it's some very strange business and it started to happen in the UK as well there's been a particular concentration in the west country seems around bristol about that kind of area has been quite a few up in the manchester area and they bear all the hallmarks off being.

34:34 done on a ritualistic basis in line with what's been happening in the US. And I just find it very interesting that you've got the smiley face cropping up as a very grim motif of what's been going on with these killings. I'm asking the question as to whether it might be connected with the acid healthy and is adoption is the emblem there particularly when you factory in these chaos magic teachings of crowley, where cropped up in the watchman graphic novel series. This stage it's just a question i can't prove any link between number i do think its interesting too back to that end particularly has not great deal people seem to have heard this smiley face killing right yeah definitely hadn't heard of the killings themselves

35:18 But that is super interesting and we know symbols have deep meanings. And a lot of times only the privileged know those deepest meanings, so I think you might be onto something it's hard to know if we'll ever get a smoking gun for it but it's worth exploring. Sure Well, I just wanted to add a little bit more about where this whole electronic dance music scene has gone in the last 30 years. So it had these seemingly humble beginnings coming out of London in 87-88 and it grew in popularity as the 90s kicked I need the advent of UK superclubs then so these parties would come out of warehouses and fields which is where the early festivals took place or raves as they were known, i'm there within driven indoors to these massive purpose built clubs such as the ministry of sound in london. And individual behind that particular location is an interesting one to look at his name is james polumbo and he's known as the barren of southwark

36:14 So, he's from the establishment certainly and he is very well connected within establishment circles. And yeah, he is a baron of Southwark now and he's the guy that established that particular club then you had clubs like cream and gatecrasher golden renaissance miss money is always massive uk superclubs that. All this dance music out there created a huge scene captivated hundreds of thousands of young people every weekend going to listen to this new music that was coming through. XTC was out there all the time every single weekend when kids would go out raving they would be this seemingly unlimited supply of xc on hand

36:57 So the UK scene became very very massive on that basis it seems to have inspired scenes in lots of different countries all over europe. I want to come to us it seems to be quite late to the party so speak, In terms of taking its time to really adopt electronic dance music and particularly ecstasy or molly as it's known in the states as i say. But that all seems to have happened in the early two thousands what i can make out and they seem to be a big breakthrough round about 2007 2008 where america finally got it,

37:33 and really understood what this whole scene was all about. And that's when you had big name DJs and producers coming through, like David Guetta and Kelvin Harris, Swedish House Mafia, Steve Aoki Afrojack or these big names Skrillex then guys like Avicii, Tiesto, Armin van Buuren Paul Van Dyke. The American scene seems to have kicked off in California specifically Los Angeles We've seen many a scene and many of movement come out of la for some reason california really seems to be the hotbed for all this stuff when it comes to the emergence of molly as well.

38:11 This was very much helped on its way by a DJ producer by the name of Cedric Gervais, who put out track called Molly a few years ago. And Madonna helped to popularize that whole thing when she got on stage at the Ultra Music Festival. I don't know if that means MKUltra but this big event in Miami where she go up there and said has anyone seen Molly? I'm looking for Molly and it seems to have been a direct reference You know, the MDMA that was known to be permeating the scene at the time. And it was a reference also to this record by Cedric Gervais. Now when we get into whole area of lifetime actors and culture creation which I think I touched on last time and I know you've recently had a chat with Joe Atwill who is the inventor of the term Lifetime Actor. It's interesting to bear all that stuff in mind when we look into the background of Cedric Gervais who is this dance music producer that put out the track Molly

39:04 So we find out his father owned a nightclub in the south of france and entry on the resident advisor website states, set your face has had an extraordinary life as a young teenager he held from marseille headed to central pay. 14 years of age not even legally old enough to party with the people he played for you got some a residency, you pleaded with his father to take him out school so he can concentrate on dj and his father went to the local courts and got the agreement. I know fifteen years of age not speaking any english cedric decided paris wasn't challenging enough for musically so we packed up and moved to miami

39:42 And this was just at the time when an exciting movement within the club scene was happening, says resident advisor. Cedric saw this opportunity and jumped in." So what luck? What serendipity! But then you discover some more about Cédric Gervais. His real name is Cédric de Pasquale and he's an actor Literally featured in hollywood productions such as patriots day and deepwater horizon so patriot stay was reinforcing the official narrative of what happened at the boston marathon bombing, i need more horizon was reinforcing the wikipedia version of the gulf of mexico oil spill on you find this guy was featured both these movies.

40:20 So it seems to be the same old story every time when it comes to trends and movements taking a foothold, individuals that are used to kickstart or uses figureheads. Turn out to be tried and trusted individuals with establishment backgrounds. And that certainly seems to be the case there, and I think we could probably also apply this too many of the big DJs and producers who have spearheaded this whole scene. Certainly Paul van Dyck is a guy that's very interesting to look at he's a German DJ and producer absolutely massive name on the dance music scene

40:59 His status is like that of a god among his fans. I've got a picture here, which i found on the internet yesterday of a fan of Paul van Dyck that has had a massive tattoo made on his back of Paul Van Dyck's name and also this sigil, this symbol that Paul Van Dyck has used quite mysteriously on his record sleeves and he has it projected onto massive screens at these big dance music festivals that he plays And the symbol is like a triangle with two of the corners cut out also into triangles. So you could say it's like a pyramid, but it's a very distinctive design and I puzzled for ages over what it might mean and then all of a sudden I happened across this

41:43 All time logo that was used by my five british intelligence from the nineteen fifties through to the nineteen seventies. When you in for people van dyke logo just turn it upside down it becomes identical to this symbol that was used by british military intelligence when you got triangle with two corners cut out, nanny m i five version you've got capstone at the top so it's like a pyramid where the body all seeing eye. So, you've got Paul van Dyck using an icon, a motif that was first used by British military intelligence and he's not the only one to have used it because there is a Japanese DJ and producer by the name of Steve Aoki that has used the same symbol in his flyers and his promotion. You've got fans of Paul van Dyck with this bloody sigil carved into their back and they've got no idea what it means. They just elevated this individual to a godlike status.

42:38 When you look at some of the poses that these DJ heroes strike, at these massive festivals. You can think of somebody like David Guetta is up there in front of literally hundreds and thousands of adoring fans and he stands out with long flowing hair and a beard I can't think what sort of imagery that might be trying to convey and he's got his hands stretched outwards. And he's controlling this throng of clubbers from the vantage point of the DJ booth which has become like an altar in a church, and that is the status these DJ heroes have taken on they're godlike figures

43:14 I have found places in hundreds of thousands absolutely adorable you can look at the comments that left on facebook pages people say you changed my life i worship you, i follow everything you do you want my life is like this cold type mind control like hold. that these individuals have over large numbers of young people. And I think it's interesting when you combine the occult and esoteric symbolism that you see at all these big dance music festivals now being projected onto these massive screens with mind-altering drugs, mainly MDMA ecstasy but other drugs as well and also sound frequencies which are embedded into digitally produced music

43:57 Because all this music is digital and electronic in its base form. It's not natural, organic musical instruments it's computer generated so you know symbolism plus drugs plus sound frequencies is to my mind I'm a level of manipulators dream could that be what all these events are really about. Yes man and wow what great string of information there but that is something i really wanted to get into was the science sound i was so happy to see this chapter in the book it doesn't get talked about nearly enough but it is

44:34 worth throwing in there because it's not just subliminal symbols and music videos, it's not just the lyrics to music or the drugs or making burnout seem cool but the actual music itself could be tuned to frequencies less harmonious with a human body. And it seems like that's been done in the past and digital music even more so Yeah, let me just finish off that last thread as well to segue into this one with a comment that was sent to me just this week by I'm not going to name the individual but it's a Facebook post that somebody made and it was sent to be by one of my friends. To really help reinforce this point about how sound frequencies can be affecting us on an unseen level alright so this individual said in their post

45:20 I have inside info from a close friend who worked with bass nectar so base neck is an american based dj producer on the sort of dubstep drum and bass type scene i think he's based out of san francisco. As you was getting started so this person said not that i ever like that music but a friend was with bass nectar as they were both approached by a government agency to use dub step noise and heavy bass carrier waves for psychotronic attacks, She immediately walked away, but Bassnektar embraced it and now entranced a generation with terrible music used to program the mind. Couldn't make this up if I tried." Wow! Yeah, I was delighted to have that come across my radar and fall into my lap this week because it really drives home the idea of these records, this music being used to mind control people and have an effect on a sound frequency basis on an unseen level

46:19 I'm not just coming from somebody else that mentions a government agency the tried to adopt this dance music producer to use this stuff you know very interesting yeah so when it comes to sound frequencies. I don't know how chapter on this and i had to really do my homework on it because the science of sound is not something that ever came naturally to me. I'm the least technically competent DJ you'll never meet is a wonder i've been able to do the job ready because i'm not technically minded at all scientifically minded so i really had to delve into this one but i always understood, what sounds can be used for healing there are therapy centers which

47:01 I've been known to work with people that have been in deep coma states, prolonged comas and exposure to favorite songs. And certain sound waves and stuff have been known to bring people out of long term comas and exposure to good sound frequencies has been known to cure all manner of diseases and physical ailments. So, it's certainly the case that sound can be used for healing. You can factor in the experiments by Dr Masaru Omoto, the Japanese scientist that showed water has consciousness and is affected by sound frequencies and even the frequency of words not just in heard audible form but even written form.

47:41 If you expose water crystals, he showed to certain words then the frequency and the resonance and the intent behind those words could actually cause the crystals to arrange themselves in certain patterns. And when you would expose them to certain words with positive intent attached they will create very harmonious results so it's pretty clear that sound frequencies with benevolent aims You know good meaning attached can have a very positive effect on not just water but people. But of course the opposite is also gonna be true and if sound could be used for healing it can also be used as a weapon, I certainly has been over the decades is even reference in certain records there's one by Kate bush called experiment 4 where the whole track is about secret government military intelligence plan to produce a sound weapon

48:36 To wage warfare on entire groups people so it's been well known for a long time sound can be weaponized and is all down to the frequencies that are used. There's this thing called try tone which has been known as the devils interval which goes all the way back to, today's of classical music from the sort of sixteen seventeen century where composers were Will condition to steer clear of this particular arrangement three notes which came to be known as the devil's interval because it was said to produce such dissonance and it was set to be so unnatural to human ear and two human brain waves in search that it could cause people.

49:17 to get into extreme states of panic and even to drive a man say that was the legend surrounding try to. So you bring that up today with what can be achieved now we have computer generated digital noise and the sky really is the limit, you can also factory in the comments by this guy john told think i probably mention this in the last interview as well so they mentioned it in the first book John Todd, known as John Todd Collins and also known as Lance Collins was a witch basically. He came from a long-running bloodline of occultists And by his own admission, he was put to use in the American recording industry in the 1970s and he worked in various high profile positions in record labels. His job was to affect the sound recordings that were going out there to the general public but for some reason whatever that may have been, he turned whistleblower insider and did a series of interviews talking about what he'd been involved with. He's the one who spoke about record companies having these

50:19 Dark coven's of which is that would come into an altar room in the headquarters of the record companies and place a hex or spell on the master recordings. All these records are going to the general public so again if that's what was happening in the era of analog type and vinyl records back in the nineteen seventies, who knows what they could be doing with this stuff now with sound frequencies and digital ways of doing things so I think if you are a malevolent controller that doesn't have humanity's best interests at heart, the current era of electronic ways of doing everything provides so many opportunities to embed frequencies and who knows what else into digital recordings that are then put out into the market.

51:04 Absolutely and what a great breakdown i just love this study in the book you know like you say the rockefeller's try to change that standard tuning from four three two four forty nineteen seventeen it didn't take and then tried again after world war two which clearly shows they cared about something that seems like an odd thing to care about if he didn't have some kind of controlling effects like why make a second push to do this and, i love the work of mitch horowitz you site in the book. One thing that he said it always stuck with me is that they use disney's fantasia which came out in nineteen forty right now window as a big showpiece for four forty tuning and the that was the way to go and i just feel like the idea of this hidden purpose behind fantasia, which is a fairly strange release on its own with no real narrative or anything it just makes a lot of sense in that context is kind of interesting.

51:59 Yeah i just wanna was telling the story of john todd relating how these covens of which is would put a hex on these master tapes it reminded me of a couple other things that i've heard as well, i mean first of all in the book i tell off this album by the food fighters dave grows bad where he hit upon this idea of. Recording the whole album on analog tape when everybody else was already using computers and they hit upon this marketing gimmick of shredding up the analog tape into tiny little fragments, and putting a little piece of the tape into each of the CD copies of the album as it went out into the market. So you'd get the CD, you'd open up the jewel case, and you get this tiny little shred of the original analogue tape so you could say yeah that's a pretty neat marketing gimmick to stand out but a suspicious mind like

52:52 Like mine might say well maybe there was something else going on that may be you know that tape was imbued with some kind of energy that would then find its way out into the market. Maybe i'm just crazy but another thing that i was reminded off is, i read a story in a book by a friend of my car james talking about the film industry where he says that during the production of star wars at the very first one ninety seventy seven george lucas's film Somebody that worked on the set and later came forward as a kind of whistleblower from says the george lucas had hired a couple love. Which is our guest mcconnell certainly that were staring into the camera as it was shooting the real as a film,

53:36 On celluloid back in the day you know and they seem to be no concentrate in their intent on the camera as these schools of film reel returning. I'm obviously doing that with some kind of energetic intense which is very interesting i also remember story off winston churchill, who apparently was also into the occult himself and started many of the mystery school teachings I know this incident where he hired himself a bunch of which is again to stand up on the cliffs of dover. Looking out over the english channel and concentrating their intent on the potentially invading german fleet that would have been arriving into england at that point, i'm sorry got this bunch of cloaked witches upon bloody cliffside

54:26 You know beaming their thoughts and their intent out into the sea so it's all the same idea its you know using your will and your intent to kind of influence the outcome of a situation. I just put me in mind those different instances there what we were talking about with the intention of sound, but i think that's the key to order it always is this what is the wheel what is the intent of whoever controlling this situation I can be used for positive uplifting healing purposes or it could be used for the opposite and i think we've seen enough of the individuals that were talking about, add to top end of these industries greg to know which of those options seems the most likely.

55:07 Oh yeah, and that John Todd example is so great. I do love any thread in this realm any clue to magic being used against the people there's another story you have or you touch on in the book In 2012, the UK's Daily Mail reported that John McAfee founder of the McAfee antivirus computer software had taken to having wiccan witches perform drumming rituals at his headquarters as a way of infusing this product with some kind of resulting energy and sure enough it is one of those powerhouse pieces of software. That's a household name everybody knows this is what the effects do apparently

55:46 What's wrong so if this stuff is all a load of bollocks and there's nothing to it john mcafee in george lucas and winston churchill didn't seem to think. Exactly you mentioned dave grow the food fighters and you talk about him in terms of being a lifetime actor and he's just an interesting example apparently he was, a hardcore punk band in DC named Scream. His father, James Harper Groll worked in politics as an assistant to Robert A Taft Jr., Robert's father was William Howard Taft the 27th president of the United States and his father was Alfonso Taft, a founder of Skull & Bones

56:29 And during John Kerry's presidential campaign in 2004, Dave Grohl joined the trail and dedicated the album In Your Honor to the former Skull & Bones men. That is just how it works man isn't it? Absolutely! Dave Grohl was a good example of all that he was in Nirvana before forming The Foo Fighters as drummer A lot of people have tried to link him with strange situation of kirk coban's untimely death and it's been suggested that you know dave grow may have no more about what really went on there i can't prove that but i just mention it because its a popular room at the top. Courtney love of course was tied up in the whole thing she was the girlfriend of cobain time she is an interesting one to look into because her dad is hank harrison,

57:16 Who was a one time road manager for the grateful dead with back to them the grateful dead also had a guy called alan trist as a one time manager and he turns out to be in the sun of one of the founding members of the tavern stock institute human relations in london all about social engineering. I'm mind control eric trist and as i mentioned earlier grateful dead was cia bohemian club connected so there's an interesting link going down to courtney love their we get caught up in this whole mess and dave growl had a part in that as well and there are links and connections for days.

57:53 Yeah man there really are and this is just been so great finally men i want someone to ask you if you could talk to us about the book summary or the takeaway message that you can't just be entertained by conspiracy research you have to use it it's a worthwhile point to wind down with me, i think so and. I guess i mentioned earlier that my job is an unpopular one because too many people it looks as if i'm just pissing all over popular heroes and icons, i said earlier i take no pleasure in doing that i'm just going where the information takes me.

58:30 My job is made easier in a sense i guess everyone loves music so when you start talking about the fact that there's far more to know. About the music industry what's on the surface and it involves some very prominent names whether we're talking about the beatles or jay-z or michael jackson, it does tend to prick people's ears up and they do tend to wanna know more I like to use my work and my research on the music industry to kind of hook people in a bigger conversation. Where we can talk about what's happening in the world generally so that controllers the cultist that we have at the top of entertainment industry music industry hollywood movies and television

59:17 Those are the only institutions that they control there at the top of everything you know they've got politics and a stranglehold they've got the financial banking world locked down i've got the world of the military they've got the world of science and academia they've got food drink corporations they've got everything Locked down and i have done for a very long time so you can't just look at music history leave it there. You got a question who are these people who are these networks how did they gain so much power, how we been asleep with the wheel for so long to allow this situation to become so entrenched why are they using a cult teachings and ritualistic stuff to control us what do they understand about the nature of reality

1:00:03 How it works that we are missing and if they using all these methods and tactics to lock us down. How can we harness some of that power for ourselves and use some of these methods to get rid of these bastards once and for all, and regain our own power. Be able to enjoy our lives the way we should be able to without being subverted in controlled and enslaved every step away so it's much bigger conversation than just what's happening in the music industry and I do get into that book and it comes down to people needing to take personal responsibility What's happening in this world the biggest threat facing humanity right now is this fast march that we have towards transhumanism and this smart great. Artificial intelligence reality those becoming more real with every passing day this is really dangerous stuff and the generation that we have right now,

1:00:59 This is my closing for in the book is anyways the last generation. Is gonna decide whether we get totally locked down and enslaved weather that prison door gets slammed shut, where do we take responsibility collectively to turn this situation around one or two people can't do it Just a few research is putting this workout and if you people reading these books watching these youtube videos going yeah that's interesting yeah it was pretty cool doing nothing with it, is not gonna make happen is gonna take large numbers of people taking some responsibility and understanding. We have to take the power back otherwise things are just gonna go so far become so entrenched but we're not gonna be able

1:01:42 to roll it back. So there's a serious side to this and people really need to consider what their own role is going to be in how this stuff all pans out, one or two individuals as I say can't make it happen but a large number of people all engaged collectively and working towards similar goals which is to get our freedom back can make it happen. And another thing I just want to add as a footnote You can discover that groups like the Beatles and The Rolling Stones and The Doors, guys like Jay-Z might not be all you thought they were. And there's stuff to know about them but it doesn't mean you have to stop enjoying the music a lot of people say to me oh well since I discovered the beat was dirty i cant enjoy their songs anymore. I disagree with that because I think the world would be very grim and boring place without music there

1:02:39 And a lot of the stuff from these very controlled acts is great music you know let's not front these are fantastic songs and you can still enjoy. What you take an understanding of who these groups may have been because the mind control spell is now being broken. It's no longer working it's magic on you want to subliminal basis you understand that these groups will probably created, i have a controlling effect on us but know that you understand that just enjoy the music and just rock out your favorite songs because they're gonna affect you in that way anymore that's a little footnote that i like to leave people with Yeah, cheers to that man. Every once in a while there'll be some random pop song that gets stuck in my head and I start to like it or play it and people will be like you liked that song? I'm so surprised but hey man! It was engineered to be appealing millions of dollars spent by experts Of course I'm gonna like some of these songs That's just the way it goes And yeah...I mean it is a sad world without music I'm with ya

1:03:38 Well, Mark this has just been an awesome time. The sacred cows have been officially torched you know your subject area so well it's always a pleasure I know you have some conferences coming up as well as that San Diego visit i'm looking forward to talk to us about these things and also where to get the book before we go Well I'm coming for a whistle stop trip to the states. I'm going to be speaking at the Truth Mind Reality Conference on Saturday, March 10th in Phoenix Arizona. Other speakers on the bill include Mark Passio, amazing work that guy's put out, Lennon Honor, Sonia Barrett and a whole bunch of others so looking forward to that one. A few days afterwards i'm gonna be

1:04:18 at Venice, Los Angeles, Venice California doing a bookstore launch. Mystic Journey Bookstore in Venice California that's Wednesday the 14th of March I'll be doing a talk and there will be some books available there. I'm going to be touching San Diego in between to hang out with you as well and see your hometown. And in terms of the book it is now available on Amazon Or if people want to get a copy from me direct, I am mailing out books all over the world. It's only a little bit more expensive than Amazon and some people just prefer that way of doing it to support the author and cut Amazon out of the picture so if anyone wants one on that basis they can just drop me an email to markdevlinuk at gmail dot com and we can make all that happen

1:05:04 And my website is markdevlin.co.uk, musicaltruthbook.com and on my YouTube channel which is youtube.com slash Mark Devlin TV there's a whole bunch of my conference appearances and this year I'm going to be doing some talks where I show the visuals All this stuff we've spoken about today so you know which talking about symbolism in eighties pop videos in my talks to show slides of these images so you can get a proper feel for what they are just complete aspect of the story. I wanna thank you great having me on again i saved a bunch of information too unleashed on this interview that i'm not putting out on others cuz i want you to

1:05:44 have the scoop on much of this stuff and i love you show man always thank you kind words and i'm always impressed by the depth of connections you make in the connection to keep straight, i mean it takes a certain kinda mind clear head to do this kinda work we know mine's not clear so i am just and all your ability to do that so it is always a pleasure great job thanks again take care of see you next week. No doubt thank you sir Wakanda-luja, dear people of the internet. Mark Devlin dropping knowledge once again always on his A game with the memory of a champion

1:06:21 And a good compliment to last week's Joe Atwell show I would say. I think both Joe and Mark operate in some of the same lanes, some of my favorite lanes these days and getting into lesser discussed genres and the music festival scene is pretty damn interesting! The lifetime actor thing is just so fascinating too When you consider the Lifetime Actor thing to be as wide-scoped as it's presented, man...you come away with a very Truman Show kind of feeling. And not to comment on Mark specifically, but I do think sometimes the lifetime actor angle can go too far. I think sometimes the metrics with which we gauge a person's ties can be...a bit too harsh because the nefarious few are always going to show interest in a person who gains popularity or proves to have some influence

1:07:15 So just because a meeting was had or a picture was taken doesn't always mean they're first and foremost some kind of operative. I only say this because i don't want to see us paint with too broad of a brush and lose the value of the very real connections that have been found I mean, to find so many musicians with military intelligence parents is insane. From Jim Morrison right on up to Blink-182 it's like a commonality that really makes no sense outside of the context that musical movements are vehicles for cultural manipulation. I was also really glad to find a chapter on the science of sound in Marks' new book because that makes a lot of sense to me too

1:08:00 I'm sure the weaponization of frequency goes well beyond the 440 switch at this point. As Mark pointed out, when you account for fully digitized music in EDM there's no telling what could be embedded in that music It's not like you have to hide it within real musical instruments Nobody uses those anymore! I'm also always intrigued by a magic ritual anecdote and of course we got a few of those too The man digs deep, no doubt And that said, do check him out at his upcoming US conference appearances. Check out Musical Truth 2 if this type of topic is your jam I really know of nobody thats more tuned in to musical conspiracies than our man Mark here

1:08:41 So I always appreciate him coming on. He was kind enough to save some stuff for the higher side, as he mentioned and in the second hour plus show of course we got into a lot more! We talked about things like the work of Miles Mathis an updated perspective to the Paul is Dead theory The manipulation of the punk music genre Famous names of the beat movement and their sketchy connections Ed fucking Sheridan of all people Obviously he's connected, because what the hell was he doing in Game of Thrones? We also talked about conspiracy-related symbolism in 80s music and music videos from that era. And of course the strangeness and symbolism surrounding what seems like the ritual death of George Michael So if you like The Hiresite Chats in general and have an interest in hearing about these things sign up!

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1:10:28 You have hundreds of hours of archives that you've missed, and I just want to put us in the best position i can going forward. So if you think there's value here be a pal and treat yourself But for now, I'm outta here. One more show comin' atcha to close out our short month of February and then it's on to the next one! Big thanks again to Mark, I've done my part... Your move Deep State genre designers, facilitators of the festival farce and lifetime actors in The Big Machine… You're fuckin'… I won't take it No I refuse

1:11:04 If it's alright, I'll keep my refuge. I've been scheming of bigger things and have to leave my old life behind Gotta transfer To the inner earth I built a box, build a hole gotta need it up Going under And now you find me In the bunker Bunker, bunker Take it under Find me in the bunker, bunker Bunker

1:11:53 Yeah, the laughing elite classics While they're scheming masses Who do you think they are? Fancy suit and a stick Tell you the basics They print your money Got the Fed in your head Currency Now they're smiling And you're caged meat How this happened? How you don't see? A pillage of plunder Plunder is a plunder

1:12:36 Killage and plunder, plunder. Plans are simple The best protection of all is the special shelter built according to specifications of your local civil defense organization The basement of any house or building will become a good improvised shelter if you block the windows with sandbags If you don't have sandbags just what can you do? Bunk up Take it under You'll find me in the bunker, bunker Take it under, a bunker Bunker, take it under Me and the bunker, bunker Plund- It's a great pillage in plunder Plunder, is a plunder Pillage of plunder, plunder