Gordon White | Pig/Chimp Hybrids, Directed Panspermia, DNA, & More Human Story Strangeness

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! These are the Higher Side Chats. How we doing, higher side chatters? Drink a little drink, smoking a little smoke and fine-tuning the calibration of my mind to be in full weirdness mode from sunny San Diego they call me The Carl Wood and as we walk this line it is no surprise that life is full of strangeness and unanswered questions about nearly all aspects of this reality from understanding the origins of man and our mysterious environment to pinpointing the puppet masters and their moves on the global chessboard

00:57 Well today we're going to try and navigate these high conspiracies, mysteries and hidden history with one of my favorite wizards on this island Earth. His name is Gordon White here in the THC saddle once again The first being a show we did together on the intriguing intersection of Gnosticism, Parapolitics & Chaos Magic back in January But for the uninitiated Gordon is the wicked wordsmith of the west behind RuneSoup.com A top tier blog where he weaves a tapestry of amazing topics and maintains several great sections on everything from Archons to Zion. I'm psyched to have him here to walk us down another winding path of realization, examining the odd breadcrumbs we find along the way... The man who knows the plan, the Hansel-To-My-Gretl Gordon White how the hell are ya?

01:39 Fantastic, Greg. Always a pleasure to either listen or to speak! Yeah man I'm so glad we could do this again We've been kind of emailing back and forth about some of these pieces of the puzzle like the mysteriousness of DNA and panspermia ancient aliens bloodlines and all that crazy stuff And in a conspiracy subculture of many thoughts and theories, it's kind of hard to know where to put our attention sometimes. But it's also kind of tough to find the beginning of the story here. I guess if we were to kick this off by talking about human antiquity and ancient civilizations to try to get some noteworthy insights into the human story, where do you think we would look first?

02:17 If we're talking about the human story rather than life on earth, there's a couple of things that have emerged from say maybe the last 15 years of genetic research that are more interesting than I think alternate history has realized and this is to do with the genetic evidence of our migration out of Africa about 70,000 years ago. Now the reason alternate history tends to dismiss this if they're like oh yes but we've got things that are older so which is true there's a 200 000 year old fire pit in Britain and another one in sort of north Israel that have been found and inevitably the problem I perceive it

02:58 A lot of alternate history theorists have a specific worldview that they're looking for documentary evidence to support. And in the meantime, they're missing quite an interesting trick and The interesting trick is this, the sort of out-of Africa project. So the mitochondrial Eve project says a lot about the human journey but says nothing about our origins so we can know with some degree of confidence that everyone who is alive outside of Africa today who isn't a recent migrant out of Africa is descended from a single female of about, at time depth of about 90 thousand years ago in the middle of Africa and then we left about 70 thousand years ago. Now the thing is that may not have been and I've actually spoken to the geneticists at Oxford who are involved in this project their exact words were it's quite clear humans weren't the only game in town and this particular journey wasn't the only game in town so

03:56 It's kind of one of those weird logic traps where we're alive today because our ancestors survived. So if there were earlier migrations out of Africa, for instance and everybody died how would they show up in our blood? Yeah, so that's the sort of explanation or the interpretation on their scientific side for why you can find artifacts and sites that fall outside this kind of 70 000 year sweep which is good. So it kind of gives us two things it um It gives us what I think is a very beautiful kind of kumbaya boondiara love-the-whole world kind of story about the people who are here and we're kind of on this journey which is great but it also gives us an opportunity to frame

04:37 some of the other anomalous archaeological sites we find without kind of going, well it's aliens called it definitely aliens close the book. Yeah that's actually a great point because that is such a gray area for me an area of a lot of confusion is listening to some of these alternative guys finding these sites that seem anomalous to the human story but then yeah of course the only real explanation is Well, there were some aliens at some point. Some genetic engineers? Yeah on both sides and so in this respect sort of alternate theorists are as much to blame as mainstream scientists because they both sort of pick the view of the world and go well this happened And then try to shoehorn the data into it whether or not it fits Now I mean we've discussed this before and I'm sure will get onto it but I'm technically an interventionist So I don't actually have a problem with the idea that

05:32 that the origins of life on Earth, I mean neither did the guy who discovered DNA Francis Crick. I don't have a problem with the idea that DNA is extraterrestrial in origin and it's called the panspermia theory but the idea that sort of three and half thousand years ago we were kind of smushed together by these very old beings on nuclear rocket ships Well, that would show up. That would actually show up in our DNA and also it kind of requires additional evidence to support that and here's where I try to focus as much as possible on the data rather than the interpretation that comes out of quote-unquote mainstream science because i do think the origins of mankind and life on earth are far from explained

06:20 But the way to definitively not explain it is to kind of go, oh well science is wrong equals Anunnaki. I agree yeah and that happens so much Of course when it comes to Sumeria the only thing we really hear about the culture or the people Is the whole ancient aliens Anunnaki saga and I'm sure there's more We should probably be considering data wise from them Well, yes. Sumeria is the perfect example of how you attract flying saucers like flies to garbage The story of Sumeria's origins 3500 BC it just appears along the Tigris and Euphrates River And they're writing like the devil is chasing them

07:08 There is no, there's a sort of conventional explanation is unsatisfying and it's unsatisfying to everyone. Like Carl Sagan himself said if there was basically any evidence of extraterrestrial intervention on Earth It would be at the beginning of Sumeria because that is one giant question mark Now, it is a giant question mark and science is to blame for this by not actually looking at the more ambitious scientific evidence that is available. Namely that we have genetic and morphological evidence that shows that some of the earlier or pre-Sumerian cultures like the Ubaid people have connections down to sort of South Asia and Southern India where of course you have Harappa and so on but then they kind of have through their gritted teeth

07:56 end up saying, well I guess we're talking about not necessarily a lost civilization but all those stories which are there at the very beginning of Sumeria. They're a child culture of somewhere else have to be looked at with some degree of respect so that they were kind of caught in this infinite loop which is by not looking at the legitimate archaeological and geological evidence that shows that Sumeria does indeed have antecedents we ignore that and then so people get to wondering and go well then clearly it was aliens. Yeah, I'm so interested in that idea that Humans wouldn't be the only game in town at this ancient point in history but are we just talking about like neanderthals and primitive. What you yeah we are but it's like I wouldn't use the word just mean you have been whatever was almost ten years ago to discovery of a homo ferencis in southeast asian indonesia which is the hobbit right so

08:56 that animal shouldn't exist. And like this should be the giants which we have legends of that probably match, I suspect cultural memories of other hominins and we seem to find about one every year and a half completely new species so the more recent one was the Denisovans and they had the highest level of genetic admixture between us and the Denisovans again in Southeast Asia So coming back to that human journey piece, when we left Africa 70 thousand years ago we basically turned right and jogged along the beach for a few thousand years and ended up in Australia and Southeast Asia effectively in eye blink like literally a couple of thousand years.

09:40 Island Southeast Asia is particularly interesting from a kind of quote-unquote Atlantean theory perspective because it's the part of the world that suffered The greatest amount of land loss at the end of the Ice Age so an area twice the size of India went underwater there. Wow So what we have is people living in conjunction with hobbits and Neanderthal And Denisovans, and who knows what else? In what is now a sunken continent And it's from here and from that sunken continent, we have genetic contact into Egypt, Sumeria, UAE the Indus Valley across to the Americas at a time depth of just before or actually quite a bit before in some cases but just before the end of the Ice Age. So you start to look at science and realize there are pieces of evidence

10:35 that we need to fold back into our sort of the sort of folklore study. That is the Like quote-unquote search for lost civilizations because these people didn't have streetlights or flying saucers But they would have had a very sophisticated astronomy because there are open ocean navigators They appear to have built step pyramids as we as the evidence from gunung padang comes out So You see kind of emerging from the scientific evidence a story that invites us to re-examine all these legends. That doesn't mean they're true, the thing about mythology and folklore is it's sort of like taking witness statements after a crime

11:17 you have about five or six different versions the car was blue the car was red and you know something is happening but your dealing with a kind of not unreliable memory bit of memory that isn't built for the precise transfer information because that's not what mythology is about Well said. So how do we kind of reconcile that information? I mean, are we just to assume that were the amalgamation of what's left a bunch of inner breeding like where a mud of all these different things that once existed or are we something different and everything else just didn't survive the ice age?

11:54 Okay, so that's a couple of questions. We're not actually that admixed with other hominins but crucially and I think this is very important we appear to have received a big chunk of our immune system or the genes that correspond with it from Neanderthal So basically, and wait for this, Neanderthals laying with daughters of man gave us the immune system probably enabled us to do things like cope with malaria and other things we would need for our kind of ongoing human journey. Now whether that is specifically what is encoded in the kind of various giant and human-angelish hybrids or human spirit hybrids around the world, whether that's what's encoded is a matter of interpretation it probably isn't um or at least not consciously but if you're talking about what humans are this is where I find

12:50 the discussion of kind of the alternate history view of human origins very frustrating because we're sort of dealing with about five different things. So it's almost as if you came to visit me in London, I cook this five course meal there is sort of Devonian crab to start with and Welsh saltmarsh lamb and Norfolk asparagus and then we finish off with like Scottish raspberry crannogon And as you walk in the door I put the whole thing in a blender turn it to mush and then make you eat that mush with your hand. And that's what happens when people try to fold the origins of Sumeria and the origins of mankind, and kind of memories of other hominids together into one thing. You're actually talking about three or four things over literally a million years. So in terms of the origin of humans don't for a second think this is in any way solved like even

13:44 conventional scientific sense. It just isn't, and to the point where if you go back a couple of million years literally the best description or hypothesis as to what we are that I found is from a scientist called Dr. Eugene McCarthy, and he specializes in animal hybrids. I sort of wrote about this last year but he's done 30 years of hybrid research on birds and mules And our over-fixation on looking for genetic evidence has kind of blinded scientists from looking at the obvious morphological evidence? He basically says were pig chimp hybrid

14:24 Right. And however weird that sounds, we have a whole bunch of morphological features that come from a pig. We're the only monkey without a penis bone and the carbohydrate makeup of our cells... there's all kinds of pieces like extra nipples, the surface fat, the kidney structure He's right. So we have a bunch of pig pieces hybridized with the chimp, which he thinks is a chimpanzee but I think it's a bonobo and they're basically the same thing except one of them is nice and the other one is a war monger." And so the scientific reaction to his research was like well how does that happen? Then they were in some creepy animal farm situation saying essentially would have to be a female chimp who mated with wild pig male

15:16 and raised their hybrid, and that hybrid back crossed with chimps. And that happened a bunch of times and that's how we got there now... That's weird! That seems weird and unlikely. And that's, this is where we have to separate and I don't think we're particularly good at it This is where we have to separate the difference between data and interpretation Dr McCarthy's data are accurate We have a pig problem we need to solve which is that were made partly of pig Then we start, then it starts to get interesting because if there are people who are sort of Sitchin fans out there you go wait a minute. So you're telling me humans are hybrids like we've been built? That's what that's another interpretation until we can demonstrate that pigs have sex with chimps where we're left with trying to solve this and

16:08 So that's my way of, that's my conciliatory concessionary card to the Sitchin types. You can make a case for something building humans not at 3500 BC we're talking 2 million years ago And if you make that case, to my mind that is potentially as good as saying it's pigs having sex with chimps. Which let me be clear that's like some science right now! That's really weird and these are the pieces we miss when we start talking about ginger nephilims from South America are our overlords

16:45 Wow, man. Yeah well said and I really love the things you have written on that You have a great piece on dicks and I really don't get to say that often In terms of the the chimp bonobo thing it's pretty fascinating because when you look at the size ratio between you know The body and the penis of primates and humans and trying to determine which primates we might be from there are some behavioral effects that relate to penis size that kind of play into this, right? Yeah for sure. It's a bit evolutionary psychology so it's again an interpretation but I think its valid which is when you look at the sort of great apes the ones that have harems, so the ones who have like a dominant male that keeps other males away and then they just have sex with females have tiny penises So the gorilla's appendix

17:40 and so on. When you get to the bonobo, it's a wonderful creature I mean they mourn their dead, they raise each other as children, they sing each other to sleep They have orgies So when chimpanzees meet each other they have a fight Bonobos have an orgy like okay let's do this it's on And that's male-female sort of multiple partner sex species And that's the closest we get to kind of a match to penis size and weight as opposed to chimpanzees which are closer. Well, not too far away, not as far say the gorilla but there is a good case to be made

18:22 What we would hopefully consider our true behavior, which is kind of being generally nice and generally interested in sex Is a better match for the bonobo rather than the chimp kind of being a warlike cannibal And to be fair some days you can make that case as well Yeah yeah I do find that interesting because there are or there seems to be elements of both behaviors behaviors in humans, but there's I guess a constant debate over are we inherently you know positive species or are we inherently a warmongering species and i think the argument can be made that only a small percentage of us are really facilitating the violence and the war. And most of us just want to live happy normal life so I think you make compelling argument with that

19:04 Yeah, the kind of innate nature of man is sort of philosophical rather than scientific. And I go in and out depending on how crowded my bus is on the way home from work but yeah you do like to hope that it does sort of bear out and now kind of lived small life experience that psychopaths just aren't that common there's not that many of them so hopefully we'll win in the end. So let's jump to Egypt a little bit. I mean on your blog, one thing you wrote that i think sums it up pretty well is that even though mainstream egyptologists won't budge on their official narrative we're starting to reach a geological and archaeological understanding that the Egyptian civilization is substantially older than anyone thought and represents the final death rattle of something even older still And I really like that! I think thats well put

20:00 Maybe you can elaborate on Egypt in this context of extending much further than we're told. I will, that's a very good example for a number of reasons the first is We can use it to kind of untangle some of the persistent ancient aliens beliefs that are associated with Sumeria as well because the Egyptians have a similar kind of golden age that existed prior to dynastic Egypt where they had the gods ruling the earth and they ruled for very specific numbers of years, so very long numbers of years sort

20:38 36,000 years or the Golden Age lasted for 432 thousand years. You see these similar numbers the four three two either four million three hundred twenty thousand or four hundred and thirty-two thousand in the Vedas and you see it in Sumeria and you see similar numbers divided by processional numbers so seventy to thirty six and so on in Egypt as well So what I think people have missed and it's because Sitchin was very Zechariah Sitchin was very literal about this He saw these numbers. And so like whatever it is the first king of Samaria What his name Alulim? he ruled for twenty eight thousand eight hundred years, but that is divisible into this kind of Master Yuga number that we see elsewhere

21:25 When he says that the gods came from the stars, they didn't. The gods were the stars So what you're actually seeing at that earlier time depth is a kind of tribal story that's based on some sophisticated astronomy and that's the key. But there is this tribal story of, well this is when this god ruled and by this god they mean this particular asterism when it was in this part of the sky which it was for these many tens of thousands of years so you're seeing a cultural memory that goes back not as far as these numbers but definitely further back than we see and with the capability of calculating these numbers because the precession of the equinox is a 72,000 year kind of or one every seventy two-year one degrees move so you're actually talking about very slow moves in the sky. And that sophisticated astronomical knowledge is there at the base all our earliest cultures of Harappa and Sumeria Egypt which begs the question where like that doesn't mean

22:24 Space men taught them that it means that they have an earlier cultural influence. That is currently sort of outside archaeological view So in Egypt's case Egypt a way call it the sort of death rattle if it We sort of think of Egypt as this one time period we go ancient Egypt It wasn't it lasted for a very very long time and so the gods like Isis were was a prominent god for a lot longer than we've had Jesus. So, we're talking really long time depths here and the Old Kingdom which is obviously the first one... The way we characterize Egyptian history, we split it into sort of three main areas old middle and new kingdom and then you have the late period in then the Roman period and so on

23:08 And these are split up by what are called intermediate periods. So you have a first intermediate period between the Middle Kingdom and then a second intermediate period, and the first intermediate period wasn't a pleasant time to be in Egypt it was 150 years of war invasion and things weren't great. It had its own George Bush Iraq situation going on now the old kingdom just instantly well again you have that kind of eye blink appearance of what were like monumental structures monumental to the point where Flinders Petrie when he first went to Egypt in the 1880s

23:48 1860s is the founder of Egyptology. He went there as a crazy 27 year old Victorian Englishman, rented a tomb for two years, probably didn't cost him very much like an empty tomb on the Giza Plateau and did the first ever survey of like a proper architectural survey of the Great Pyramid. And at that time it was still the tallest building on earth, so that's only 150 years ago So we have this kind of inexplicable level of complexity And then ends and from the Middle Kingdom on Egypt kind of looks like you can make the case that it's like modern Britain. It sort of rattling around in the remains of its former empire because they had to pass all these laws, like the kings would say things like oh I promise they won't reuse old monuments and what have you this is a civilization that was kind of adjusting to its new level but the Old Kingdom was something else

24:50 Well, that's not true. I think i can quite convincingly point to the antecedents based on the genetic evidence of sheep and other kind of things but you kind of have this split between the old kingdom and the rest of Egypt And the old kingdom kind of emerges from the gloom of what we don't know about history just there on the edge of the light about what we do and it emerges fully formed and The first thing you notice about these Egyptians was when it came to the stars they weren't fucking around And that's very interesting. Yeah, I think this is fascinating and I love this little arc in your blog

25:28 the way you kind of described the first intermediate period there is by saying that it was a period of invasions and social economic collapse, and prevailing beliefs probably came from the ancient Egyptian equivalent to Alex Jones. Which is funny because in times of collapse, in times of chaos people get paranoid and they look for those more... They look for the mouthpieces that kinda suit that feeling in the air I don't know pretty interesting stuff. It's a pretty funny way to put that. You see from the sort of earliest parts of the middle kingdom, they're trying to piece together something that they forgot it was like come on i used to know this so you see changes in the way Osiris is depicted and and the whole general afterlife has been quote unquote democratized this is the first time we start to see

26:19 sarcophagi, including non-royal ones that they painted on the inside with the goddess Nut. And you see the emergence of like the Assyrian weighing of the heart that kind of afterlife process where Osiris works out whether you've been good or bad like in a Santa capacity – the Jesus thing and then it's you work out whether you get eaten by this crocodile monster or whether you get to go And this is where we first start to see Osiris depicted as a mummified god. In the Old Kingdom he was never depicted as that, and so you see them trying to piece together and my analogy is... We're bringing back to the first conversation we had My analogy is what happened to Christianity in the old kingdom You have a royal mystery tradition that has shamanic antecedents I'll come back on to that

27:13 So the kind of, the pyramid and Giza area and the Heb Sed festival and all the different ways they invoked or called on the gods was to give the king immortality in life so they would connect with certain stars, so the imperishable stars which are the ones that are circumpolar and obviously Orion which is Osiris and so on. They would have these ceremonies that kind of in some way associated the King with his stars and he got immortality By the Middle Kingdom, they just had sort of turned Osiris into a god. And that's more or less what happened to Christianity where you had a bunch of ministry traditions that didn't really click together very well but were never designed to be this kind of personal spiritual experience then kind of smooshed into this one canon and then spread out over the empire

28:06 So that's the kind of analogy to think, to get your head around the differences in Egyptian gods between when they show up fully formed at the beginning of the Old Kingdom and how the Egyptians try to piece them together as they piece their country together at the beginning of the Middle Kingdom. Now that's interesting man. I think that is actually a great way to look at it and probably more accurate than i've ever really heard described There has been so much confusion and grey area to me with discerning what of value in some of these ancient texts And I love the parallels with Christianity too It's like a complex game of telephone where they get too far away from the source material To really understand it properly You could say the same thing about Stichen interpretations and their resulting story, its just kind of weird thing we do

28:53 Yeah, it's... In each case, it sort of lacks the subtlety that I think such a long time period deserves. And until we can kind of resist singular explanations which is what an ancient aliens TV show runs on and the singular explanation is aliens then we miss the more interesting stuff that's happening The more interesting thing that is happening in Egypt's case is no one really has looked at it, no one has done a Jacques Vallée version of Zechariah Sitchin. There is something very interesting about the complexity of the earliest civilizations on earth. The ones that were best in astronomy or the ones that were most focused on the stars were also the most complex and the most sophisticated so those two things go hand-in-hand together which from

29:51 Occult perspective is particularly interesting. What is it about projecting your consciousness into specific parts of the night sky or aligning your entire cities and indeed country in the case of Egypt? Egypt is basically one star map like the old kingdom building project needs to be looked at from a Google Earth perspective because again, they weren't fucking around but what they were doing was building a map of heaven and like a mirror of the night sky. So, the civilizations or early cultures that were the best at entangling their consciousness with the stars were the ones who ended up with the best quote-unquote high technology. That is my version of ancient aliens I do not rule out and in fact

30:42 probably suspect that process, eventually if you start kind of picking up that phone and dialing numbers at random someone's going to pick up on the other end. And it doesn't necessarily need to mean aliens. When you're talking about this kind of non-physical consciousness effect of looking at an entangling with the stars Again, you're not in a singular explanation world. It's not like someone in Zeta Reticuli telepathically got the message from Egypt it's weirder than that and it says more about consciousness and what our role is in the wider universe and until we look at it from that perspective We sort of failed to

31:23 appreciate the ritual complexity of say, the Giza complex or the step pyramid of Djoser at Saqqara. Yeah, man. I agree! I think this is great and in terms of the complexity of some of these structures when you write about the Great Pyramids You refer to them as a huge stellar immortality machine Which of course is a pretty wild way to put it although It does jive with the picture your painting but what else kind of leads you to that conclusion are there any other logs we could add to that fire? Well, it's the Orion correlation theory that Robert Bavale came up with in the 90s. It is very sound so that is the three great pyramids of Khufu, Khafre and Menkaure match the belt stars of Orion and its very sound not only because that is correct and infact their kind of location if you take the Nile as the Milky Way matches but he has

32:24 Because his background was he's spent his entire career doing engineering in the desert. He worked on construction sites in Dubai, he built a bunch of Dubai and what have you so he kind of knows what building in the desert is like and you can kind of see additional correlations like other parts of the asterism of Orion there. You also have obviously the quote-unquote air shaft or star shafts in several of the pyramids pointing at specific constellations, and in fact just the extreme precision of the Great Pyramid which could not have been replicated until probably the beginning of the 20th century in terms of its location on Earth and it's directional alignment is impossible. And also like what's the fucking point if there isn't a point? Like that makes sense right? Giza is particularly interesting

33:20 because it wasn't just a fourth kingdom, a fourth dynasty which is when allegedly the pyramids were built. They weren't by the way! It wasn't just a fourth dynasty necropolis that had been used all the way back into pre-Dynastic times now my suggestion is that the geology of the Giza Plateaus is limestone So as a result, you have a lot of caves and kind of voids in the area. Obviously under the ground because rainfall prior to the end of Ice Age... You know how limestone works right? Yeah more or less. Yeah so you'll have this cave complex which is the kind of original uh which we can surmise is one of the original ideas of what the afterlife was and in fact it's a good assumption because we see that kind of under-the-earth

34:06 location for the afterlife in shamanic or traditional societies more specifically. So you have on the western side of the river where the sun sets, you have this cave complex and so if you can go back I mean Egypt has been occupying for tens of thousands of years so you can go back far enough to before they built any of this stuff and already it has this between-the-world after world component because it's effectively a map of the afterlife that he's also kind of the afterlife in that very tribal way. And I think this is the key to explaining why some of the geological evidence like the rainfall damage of the Sphinx can go back so very far and then not really have too many other things in Egypt

34:49 that are around at the same time. Because if it was always this afterlife component, if there was always this map of the afterlife then you would start to see things like that and that would explain why you have from Dynasty One and Dynasty Zero all kinds of broken pottery and tomb detritus and all this kind of stuff so basically all through The Old Kingdom but actually frankly right up until the 200s people were sort of throwing their dead loved ones into these tombs in Giza. So it's probably the world's oldest graveyard when you think about it. So there is something about this entire area that is afterlifey and obviously Orion being a Cyrus, you have your afterlife component if you look at the work of say Robert Temple specifically The Sphinx Mystery and kind of Egyptian Dawn

35:41 The golden section and the sort of golden mean, the sort of Fibonacci numbers and that kind of thing are everywhere in Giza. Like from the shadow of one pyramid onto the other and so on... And it's layered! So this is how Egyptian magic worked as I said they weren't fucking around They built in this model of the afterlife This map of being that confers immortality which is Orion And then the idea of this sort of resurrection number, which is what the Fibonacci number is obviously it's kind of how flowers work and all that kind of thing. You start to see from a magician's angle what they were doing here and they were building resurrection technology I don't mean spaceships I mean in magical sense but this was space you would go to have that

36:30 that principle initiation right which is to become aware that you will survive death and that's what the mystery traditions are about, to make sure that you wouldn't fear death. That's kind of how you become a shaman like you go into the after world into the spirit world and back And that kinda process you see on a hyper sophisticated level with astronomical precision in the old kingdom And so that's why, yeah it's a star map but it's not because they needed a map of the stars cause they had a spaceship. They were building a ritual space to connect their consciousness with the stars. Wow man! Yeah It almost seems like it could have been more of like a mechanical shamanism versus like a chemically induced shamanism

37:20 Well, funny it's that kind of more correct than you might think. The Great Pyramid is something of a guitar, it resonates so the sort of Kings Chamber in the middle It's almost free floating, the way it was built. People who've performed like concerts in there and they've been in the Grand Gallery going up to it and actually this is interesting so it sounds better in the Grand Gallery if you play an instrument in the King's Chamber. We don't really know how obviously how this works but it's clearly by design. You clearly have built a ritual space and in fact

37:59 the quote-unquote sarcophagus, it wasn't but the perfectly smooth granite sarcophagus that's too big to fit in the door that's in the king's chamber used to ring like a bell. And when I say ring like a bell some enterprising Victorian up until like they had a little hammer that was attached with a rope to it, up until about again the 1880s 1890s and then some local Muslim thought this was you know on Muslim and cracked the which you can see like crack the corner of the sarcophagus inside a great pyramid so it doesn't do anymore it broke the resident effects but before that you could hit with this little hammer and it would shooting for and it's inside another thing at home so I don't this isn't space technology this is but this is some serious magic and we don't know how to work.

38:48 Yeah, man. We talked recently about energetic effects of just big organs in cathedrals on the show So I wonder if there's not elements of the same type of understanding in that? Yeah That's a question you want to put it up to Farrell yeah, okay, that's his area but so but the point is and The the spaceship analogy doesn't work The and that's a misread of the fact that it was very, very interested in the stars. And very, very interested in using magic in some way that is associated with the stars and you see those things there? You don't need

39:27 And also, just from a motive perspective what kind of podunk steampunk gyrocopter aliens are like putting through the sky to show up and say build me a triangle of rocks. This is mental! Even back then you'd be like... You say your God, your kinda shit actually What's going on? So the whole thing doesn't work I don't like it so many things that made a play which is even more lame than you know granite and limestone. So i'm the high technology is not physical but we see in these countries is a supremely sophisticated

40:15 It's the apotheosis of shamanism. So you see its beginnings tens of thousands of years ago in the same kind of behavior that you would have had with shamanism, the same thing every night for 20 000 years. The only thing on television is the night sky so you get pretty good at watching it and then you start to watch it a little bit more and there are names or dreams associated with different asterisms And then so you start to speak to those asterisms and some of them will speak back. I think that is one interpretation of how you have shamanic culture moving at different speeds, and in the Old Kingdom, for the top of the pyramid they got it right. If you were the king, you were going to live forever in the stars!

41:10 I like that man the only thing on television was the night sky it's like orion is the original dick van dyke show. Will you i mean if you think about and i do think about this because obviously being australian has been out in the desert and actually probably had similar experiences in california but to see the night sky in a low moisture atmosphere, which by the way the ice age was because most of the water on Earth was locked up in chunks of ice. Hence the name so the sky was unbelievably clear no light pollution maybe 100 000 people well a bit more than that maybe a million people on Earth fairly well spread out can you like... You wouldn't have even needed the mushrooms to trip

42:00 The night sky. Yeah, man that's pretty wild and we'll talk to us a little bit about Zep Tepi I mean what does that term exactly mean? I'm not sure everybody would be familiar with that term in particular and you talked about how it was encoded on the Giza Plateau Talked to us a little bit about that What is Zep Tepi? So Zep Tepi it kind of There's a little bit of Egyptological inside baseball here, which I won't go into but Zep Tepi is the name for the first time. So when I was referring to the fact that the Egyptians believed that they were descendants or there was once in Egypt a golden age where the gods ruled for tens of thousands of years That is Zep Tepi so it's kind of like their unfallen state Gotcha

42:47 You can see and this is kind of I go in and out on this. And, um...I do think that some of the astronomical alignments that you see on the Giza Plateau point to an earlier time like much earlier which you would expect if it had been in continuous use as a kind of ritual map of the afterlife for that long, but I kind of go in and out on the idea which was a sort of Graham Hancock inspired one. That it's basically a map of 10500 BC and I go in and out of it because one of the cornerstone pieces is the belief that this thing...I mean the Sphinx doesn't have its original head It's this tiny preposterous little lump right? Yeah yeah

43:30 The assumption was that it originally had a lion head. I think, and I got this idea from Robert Temple in the Sphinx Mystery but he's correct, I think it was originally a dog head or an Anubis head so a jack. Interesting And if you actually look at the shape... You said you have pets? So if you look at how the sphinx is sitting Like with its arched back and it's paws right in front, and this long narrow body. I mean, I don't have a dog at the moment but I grew up with them. Oh my goodness that is actually... A dog body! That is a dog body. And the other piece that supports this, and I think it's very very interesting

44:14 is that one of the surprising things that Egyptologists have noticed is the pyramid texts which are from the 5th dynasty, right? So first time they're written down as in the fifth dynasty. They think the pyramids at Giza were constructed in the fourth There's no mention of Giza Which is surprising. Yeah, but there might be because there is dozens of references to something called the Jackal Lake and the Jackal Lake was where the son of the dead king would go to wash the Canopic jars that had his viscera in them as part of their funeral process and

44:53 he'd go to the jackal lake to watch them and that was part of the things he had to do, to ensure his father kind of went off into the Assyrian stars afterlife or the imperishable stars afterlife. And he could legitimately be king There's a very good case to be made that the ritual area, because they kind of had this almost redundant temple in front of the Sphinx and there is this narrow passage in between it. And then next door valley temple and obviously the Nile came right up to these temples back in the day so...and there appears to be evidence of like a sluice gate at the end of this corridor

45:30 Robert Temple's suggestion, I think it's worth considering is that you would actually be able to fill the Sphinx chamber. Because why would you build this beautiful structure like carve it underground? You can't see it! They literally dug a pit and put a sphinx in it so it's basically sitting in the middle of a pool. So going out on that sort of supports my continuous afterlife map theory rather than This is a map of the first time for whatever reason I think following along that line like the doctor shockline.

46:09 where all these structures around the world, not all of them he's not an idiot but the idea that these structures are encoded as some kind of warning for future generations I don't think is very well supported. People don't care about kids we can't stop having sex with them or eating them and that has never been the case in history so the idea that we would build these obscure warnings some americans in the nineteen nineties to say oh maybe we should think about climate change i'm not that convinced that happened. Right yeah me either now it's a kind of transition something you wrote that I love is

46:51 You know, the Great Pyramid at least appears to be a stellar immortality machine. A blueprint that unpacks into a personal spaceship like George Jetson's briefcase and I really love that visual but you also use that George Jetson analogy in another piece describing panspermia DNA viruses and the possible origins of life on Earth which is another great topic that probably requires its own introduction but how does one of these things give us clues into the other? Well, yeah you're referring to Mimi. Right So Francis Crick who discovered the double helix structure of DNA whilst on LSD looked at it and looked at the possibility that it could have been randomly created from some a bunch of amino acids randomly combining when they got hit by lightning on Earth as garbage because its sort

47:46 many million mile code that's shaped like, well the non-coding parts are shaped like a language they follow Zipf's law. And he looked at it and said that didn't happen so he, and this was his mainstream scientific theory which by the way people kind of accept without realizing I mean I'm talking Dawkins accepts this without realizing implications of what it means. He invented this theory called directed panspermia, and the clue there is I want to underline the word directed and the general idea is that some form of complete DNA—and I think it was a virus he sort of speculated it was—was directed on on a rock or whatever like spat through space onto likely planets

48:35 And he underlined directed because there aren't that many planets. Like if it was a random attempt to fertilize planet, then our solar system would be filled with them like pollen, because there aren't that many planets even as far as we can see that have conditions that could support life. So he said it was directed. He didn't go any further than that and he didn't know by who But that appears to be, from a sort of probabilistic perspective the most likely origin of DNA. And then the next question becomes well then how? Like in what form you can't just write the word DNA on an asteroid and say good luck to ya! No There are couple of them I think are interesting and I think a virus is one of them

49:27 and in i think it was the eighties in bradford england they discovered a giant virus called me and this enormous enormous fires that if we hadn't already built The rules about what is a living thing and what isn't a living thing, we may not even classified it as a virus. It has this giant crystalline shape like a virus obviously but it can do things, it can code for proteins which a virus needs to host so basically its half The things that a virus needs from host but it can do things that the virus can do like survive in space and lie dormant for ages so in that respect its kind of like a terraforming ship.

50:11 because it can sort of survive through space for perpetuity, assuming nothing hits it. And then when I land somewhere you know impacts like the proverbial George Jetson briefcase and if it lands in the right kind of goo or even if it doesn't, it could probably eat part of itself but it starts to unpack and that I'm not saying Mimi is the kind of origin of life, i am just saying that we found one and we find viruses when the rare times that we actually publicly spend money looking for viruses. we find loads of them. You find like a hundred new viruses in a bucket of water in the Caribbean Ocean, it's madness they're everywhere but Mimi is kind of proof-of-concept that you can have a giant virus that behaves half... It's academic literally as to whether Mimi is a virus or not because it can do things that viruses can't and so

51:09 And so you put that together with Francis Crick and directed Panspermia, and you sort of have two thirds of what you need to start having what I would call a properly Sitchin-esque conversation. Not a silly nuclear powered rocket ship space people building whatever conversation you start to have a hold on a minute because we're talking about timelines that humans just can't think on. I mean this piece is going to go back that's interesting now we can stop too speculate without saying the word Nephilim or whatever. Right, right I think that's a fascinating take on it so if we're to consider that two-thirds of the puzzle what is that final third? The final third is what happened in several billion years between well 1.3 billion years between a hypothetical Mimi and us and specifically what happened in the solar system

52:08 because the other third of it is the story about solar system as we discussed offline. Is also not a big question mark over a lot of that and when it comes to modeling any hypothetical large impact on Mars from like an asteroid or what have you, which clearly happened. Like half of it's sort of been ripped off 4% if the ejector would land on Earth so you have a big thing hit Mars four percent of its yeah ejector will hit Earth When you combine that with the Mimi information, you're invited to speculate along another train of thought. Right? Yeah man and I definitely love our talk offline or I mean our talk off air about the solar system in those strangeness of it but there's one more thing i wanted to

53:00 say about Egypt in connection to panspermia and this DNA thing is Because another wow moment I had was reading about your own Wow moment reading some of Robert Bavall's work and To quote you some more You said what rocked my world about Robert Bravall his article was learning that the word Benben The pointy bit on the obelisks and pyramids is almost identical to the word for semen or seed literal starseed as we've all continues to point out Is this what these statues are referencing? Did we build our own meme-y virus in the past? I mean, damn. That is pretty heavy stuff man but I wonder if there is any possibility of that did the Egyptians direct their own form of panspermia elsewhere and then as the society descended into chaos people are still building giant obelisks referencing something that they don't understand but it kind of is a symbol for a big dick jizzing into the sky Gotta say it!

54:02 Yeah, I did write that piece about penises and that's all good. The starseed thing is very interesting because it gives us a glimpse into what the dare I say, kind of like initiatory belief system of the guys at the top was. And it's further evidence that they're building these ritual structures as a way to kind of birth themselves in the stars and specifically Orion and the circumpolar stars which are associated with immortality because they never dip below the horizon

54:40 So you kind of I think that folds into the idea that what these guys, these guys thought their eternal home was not on earth. It was in some very specific stars And I don't think they mean it in a Book of Mormon Scientology way. But nevertheless, that's because they probably didn't have...I mean they did have the conception of planets because the circumference of the Earth is encoded in The Great Pyramid so but you can kind of accomplish that with some fairly not boring but like too difficult to go into mathematics. You basically need a ball of dung on a string, on a hair and you can kind of get from that with a bunch of other people. You don't need spaceships and you can get from that to like this conference in the earth so I think they probably understood that they're on a planet where this gets interesting for me is the speculation part or my interpretation

55:36 is that if you look to say the mid-to late 20th century when you have something like the Stargate Project, where they're remote viewing Mars and the backside of the moon. And seeing things! Now these guys in The Old Kingdom were the best we have ever seen and there may be something 300 thousand years ago that was better but in terms of what's available to us on the archaeological record No one has topped these guys in this kind of ritual astronomical consciousness manipulation. So if we can get a few people at the Stanford Research Institute to start seeing the rings of Saturn and other stuff around the solar system, can you imagine what this sort of peak of this very old culture would have done with unlimited resources and unlimited money which they clearly had?

56:32 Yeah man, it definitely makes you wonder. And it makes me think if the spreading of life does happen in a MeMeVirus type of way I'm curious if they could have figured that out or where it came from and were trying to either get back to the origin of this traveling suitcase? Or open up a dialogue with it Or, I mean do you think that they could have even been trying to duplicate that process? Well maybe not that but i think um let's assume they did. I mean they wouldn't have called it remote viewing and their protocols would have been different but let's assume as these astronomer priests were meditating on the stars or different planets and they had a similar consciousness experience to the remote viewers who are seeing the Cydonia pyramids on Mars for instance

57:19 These guys don't have a conception of DNA and they don't have the conception of combustion powered spacecraft or any those kind of things. So what they would see would be refracted through their culture so I don't think they were looking for DNA it's quite challenging to try to go okay well let's match their experience i think in some cases you can't even think and there is a good academic research on this that I even think the whole of osiris they're having similar near-death experiences because that's quite like the life review

57:56 So I think when we look at the consciousness experiences we have, when we encounter things like remote viewing. We have to be aware that they would've been processed through a very specific cultural viewpoint and i think this is the problem with when you get to say the dogon and expecting them to go oh they knew about DNA no they didn't But they may have been entangling with something that, if you can like think of the movie Contact. They may have been entangling with something that was delivering a similar message but it's going to come through in a kind of North African tribe in a very different way than coming through to Jodie Foster Right, so do you think that the say the plethora of ancient traditions and creation myths that involve vibrating space snakes could be crude attempts to kind of describe some of this or maybe that was the interfacing?

58:45 It could be. I think, the earliest evidence of ritual we have on earth is to a giant python in Botswana 70 thousand years ago and that's the same time depth that we're talking about everyone who is now outside Africa descending from Africa So we have two kind of terrestrial interpretations that go along with it. One, it is our oldest god that we can see so that's why it shows up in a bunch of places It is also the sort of ectopic phenomena you experience

59:22 Or that you witness when you're going through some psychedelics, like high doses of psilocybin or obviously ayahuasca. You get the kind of diamond grid pattern and regular geometries and then especially in ayahuasca's case it morphs into a snake And I think that's what a lot of it is. Now, the question then becomes whether that snake is DNA or is our kind of consciousness expression of experiencing DNA can't really be answered? You can have an opinion on it but you can't really answer it so like I sort of agree with what you're saying. I think we go, snake is earliest God, snake is probably earliest God because and we can tie it to a ritual consciousness effect but whether that consciousness effect is DNA

1:00:10 Is an opinion like it's one that you could probably with a whole bunch of research and a whole bunch of friends on an island with a load of drugs. Probably do like yeomans work in uncovering but we don't really have enough yeah and walked out to the to-do list Also, on that subject you sort of allude to having chemically or magically induced experiences that added to your insight into some of this stuff and to reality's blueprint. Have you had any personal experiences in this area that contributed to your thoughts on these subjects that you'd be willing to share are worth sharing? Most of them aren't worth sharing. You go in with best laid plans but then you just kind of get off your feet

1:00:55 I think, well if i did have revelations um...I wouldn't trust them. So what I'm trying to say there is that I can look at these experiences or interpret some of the things like again the life review and the snake and the ectopic phenomena and go well based on my personal experiences how these molecules work I think that is a better interpretation than space snake. Fair, fair.

1:01:44 Times of economic upheaval and all these kind of things it's very fitting that we would be a paranoid culture But, a lot of the conspiracy world is worried about transhumanism And a lot of researchers are pointing out now That this is a crucial time where the elite are trying to become gods and create artificial intelligence and transcend life. That's a huge meme right now! And if you like looking at times secularly Could you say that there might be some parallels between this new element of the old kingdom of Egypt and maybe what the agendas are, the pharaohs versus today's puppet masters or not really? Maybe not Egypt but it sort of was a kind of

1:02:23 Well, it wasn't mushrooms but I was in a mildly altered state a couple of weekends ago. Do you know what terra preta is? Terra preta not familiar Okay so it's basically a whole bunch of the North Amazon jungle appears to have been grown in artificial earth as in some way like 15,000 years ago to 9,000 years ago. It wasn't as jungly as it is now it was sort of grasslands Okay And you look at up this is the kind of that weird thing and that interested me So obviously someone was either for agricultural reasons or whatever Parts of the Amazon are a side effect of someone terraforming earth in their own way I know and so I was thinking

1:03:08 There was an article about a guy who is going to use drones to plant million trees. I read that last week, wow! That just got really Battlestar Galactica on me and i thought that's weird because that's quite like Terra Preta like the guys who whoever was using it for either improving the agricultural yield or whatever they were doing to kind of improve this soil which is artificial right? Yeah well We're doing that again, like we are literally doing that again. We're using robots to plant trees. We don't know what that forest is going to be like in 10,000 years so in terms of an agenda perspective they can have them

1:03:46 The core premise of transhumanism is fundamentally wrong, which is that your personality is chemical and so it can be chemically mapped with quantum computing. That's wrong! So they can go as far as they want down that path, they're actually never going to end up being billionaire software programs downloading themselves into self-driving cars and then beaming themselves to Elon City on Mars. That's literally not going to happen because it's goo. It's like Howard Hughes spruce goose claptrap However, the side effects of them chasing after this ludicrous dream are the same sort of side effects you see throughout history with people chasing after ludicrous dreams. They're unintended and some of them are good many of them about so yeah it's one to watch but not because they're suddenly we're suddenly going to be faced with this all-powerful glowing face Bill Gates hovering above Seattle demanding to be fed babies

1:04:48 Fair points man, yeah ain't nobody got time for that. And honestly you know one of my favorite things to do is get stoned to the max and watch planet earth I recommend it's anybody and if you watch the ones about the Amazon it really is another freaking world man and to think that The reasoning for that is because it could have been ground zero for some crazy terraforming experiments in the ancient past I'll never look at the same and i know that it's climate plays a part but to some extent i always just kind of assumed that other areas weren't like the amazon because of human development and cementing of our environments but is a pretty radically unique place. Well it is and we think it's ancient like we think it has that kind of

1:05:30 that eternal feel to it. But it's basically somebody's garden, parts of it to be clear, somebody's garden that they've gone away and and it's gotten away from them and turned all Jumanji. So there's very little... And in fact I think this was in Terence McKenna but when he was still looking at his kind of maybe mushrooms came from space thing um he was quoting some geologists and climatologist who said that they don't believe there's any such thing as a natural grassland on Earth. So wherever you find grasslands, it's because of human impact and so the American Great Plains is a very good example because they probably wouldn't be there if it hadn't been for the sort of large bovine animals that were managed by the First Nations people. Wow! And so the Amazon is one of those things like this story about is not really one

1:06:25 Us damaging a pristine ecology. We're certainly doing damage, but again we're not the only game in town and we weren't the first. Yeah and that is important to realize when you are kind of thinking about this stuff but things you've pointed out about the Mimi virus DNA Egypt, I mean those are all things that i think are fascinating and also pretty new to me. A perspective I really haven't been all that familiar with so it's good. Nice one! But I mean Jesus that pretty much runs the gamut of topics I was dying to ask you about. I know you do listen to this show as you've mentioned... Yes, so I don't have time to listen in whatever it is a few days time on the bus

1:07:05 when I open up my phone and my podcast download, I'm going to be Greg. Gotta skip this one! No one will listen to me! Yeah man but it's just very unique to have a guest who also has that longer THC context so i just think that's a really unique situation and I'm glad that we kind of got to talk about some other shows because you know about those other shows So that was pretty awesome, man. This is definitely one of my favorite episodes as of late and you're one of my favorite writers out there today! I know you do have some other projects in the works too... Some might be a little too early to mention but maybe you can tell people about what you've got going on or where they can get more Gordon?

1:07:47 Yeah, well runesoup.com subscribe you know there's the email sign up what have you yeah so there's a couple of books coming out at some stage probably in the late summer the first one which would be more on that kind of Egypt angle Yes, all that kind of information will be there on the blog so sign up and if you want to chat I'm better on Twitter. I don't use Facebook so Gordon G-O-R-D-O-N underscore W-H-I-T and i presume like last time I'll hopefully chat to people in the comments on the forum. Yeah, right on well thanks again it's been an absolute blast next time you make it to the States you got to tell me where you'll be and I'll definitely meet you anywhere to have a drink and maybe a smoke if you're down for that anyway all right then it's a deal but until that day take care of yourself out there man see ya

1:08:37 Rock you like a hurricane, people. There it is! I loved it. I think Gordon can sometimes be a good calibration tool for us when we get into the deep dark depths of the conspiracy forest and could use a little lantern light to find the trail again I'm curious how the audience will feel about this one because i think we looked into some really interesting data and information and sort of waded against some of the big conspiracy memes which doesn't discredit them but maybe transmutes them into a more scientific version of these ideas, in some cases. I thought it ended up being a fairly unique show. I'm sure i'll see a lot of great comments, but I can also guarantee that just like every single episode, I'll get about two dozen responses that say it's the best show I've ever done and their way of thinking is forever changed and also get about two dozen that say it's the worst show they've ever heard And I've just undone five years of building credibility on this show just to tear it down with a single episode I'll hear both for sure But I'm curious what the rest of the people think

1:09:35 Seems like Gordon's really done his homework in studying a lot of this stuff, in particular Egypt. And because of his chaos magic background I think he comes out with some really interesting thoughts on old belief systems and that's something that I remember him saying last time we did a show together that a lot of people trying to study magic and conspiracy don't know enough about magic and end up making a lot of generalizations and coming to some poor conclusions...and I think that's valid! Now if you only heard the first hour of this show, in the plus portion we got way more into the strangeness of our environment. Gordon's thoughts on the moon Saturn and the perception of a flat planet We also talked about how bloodlines of the elite and some non-human interdimensional influence could be added to the story And we talked about some of the racial memes in the conspiracy world mainly the Jewish thing I really liked that because Gordon and I talk time to time about some of this stuff

1:10:27 I knew we could get into the weeds without either of us getting offended or upset. solely, things like using guilt against the opposition and fractional reserve banking dynasties. They're not exclusive to any race religion or culture and when we let people act like they are we're doing the elite a favor by moving the proverbial target away from them think about if you were a member of 100 powerful puppet masters and 30 of you were Jewish

1:11:07 and the people of the world only focused on those Jewish members. You'd probably feel pretty good, and you really wouldn't have a problem throwing fuel on that fire It's not to say that some shady elite bankers aren't Jewish but if we drop the Jewish and just say elite bankers then we get them all because there are Chinese banking dynasties too that have ties to the triads who are basically the Chinese Freemasons etc., etc So let's reject the temptation to reduce thousands of years of multifaceted manipulation into a two or three sentence narrative and instead enjoy the nuances of the vast and rich history we have to examine.

1:11:45 But that said, next episode will be another Money Bomb winner so get those contributions in the next say 48 hours. Of course if it's after that it'll just be a next month so no real worries there and if you are on the Money Bomb please keep an eye on your email so I don't have to delay the last show of May. We'll be going to Contact In The Desert, that conference out in Joshua Tree Not in any working capacity, but I will be there. Feel free to stop me and say hello! I also did get most of the THC themed covers up on the Plus site some I haven't even used for shows yet just click THC music from the menu bar and right-click on them to save if you're interested Today's a particularly good one because i actually put Gordon's name in the lyrics that Lauren Silva sings

1:12:30 And that kind of does it for me, but I guess one thing I'd add to this episode. If you remember Gordon's comments about an ancient Egyptian staring into the stars long enough projecting thoughts into the stars long enough and eventually some might start talking back now Of course its borderline impossible to separate one's imagination from an unexpected telepathic communication from a gas giant in space But let me tell you a story Almost exactly a year ago, I went on the Don Peyote movie premiere tour bus up and down the California coast with of course Dan Fogler who wrote and directed the film but also Freeman and Jamie and a few other folks. Ron Patton from Paranoia yada-yada A lot of you probably remember that well we ran into some friends of Freeman's on the trip a very nice lady her good friend and daughter And after awhile

1:13:21 It was disclosed that they were all on acid and I had never done acid before, and I had a weird anxiety on that trip that i was going to be interfacing with some psychedelic somewhere. And here it was funny enough the universe wrapped this LSD in the most perfect non-threatening package that it could for me these three nice ladies that all seem to be doing just fine with it so how could I say no? So long story short, they hit me with a few drops and 30 minutes later I tell them that I don't really feel anything so they give me another couple of drops. This is like a liquid LSD that's in say something like a clear eyes bottle. Now i've been hit with about 4 or 5 drops of this stuff and eventually it all comes rushing to the surface and Jesus Christ! I was on a very serious ride in the middle of the redwoods of Big Sur with nobody that im all that familiar with and it lasted a long time

1:14:15 When everybody was winding down and I'm laying in a sleeping bag on the floor of a dirty bus with my head hanging out the open door along the cliffside of the ocean, wide awake like I just drank five psychedelic Red Bulls. I find myself staring at the brightest star in the night sky and trying to sort of talk myself out of tripping so damn hard. And like i said it's almost impossible to separate one's imagination from a telepathic conversation but I swear nothing like this could have ever felt more real! But this star does start talking back. And we have a good laugh about my present state, and this star proceeds to give me its life story. And imagine the 10 minute fast-forwarded version of a ten billion year lifespan complete with the formation of planets and the rises and falls of their civilizations

1:15:00 and asteroid impacts, and everything one might expect in a star's personal journey. And I just sat there like wow that's pretty amazing man! And the star was like yeah it's great but how about you man? You know how cool is it just to experience the wind and fresh air and smell of cedar and crash the waves against rocks...I can't feel that…..I cant see that…. That's why even though life as a badass yellow dwarf is cool, I ain't knocking it. There was also some great benefits from manifesting as a human being in Big Sur who did a little too much LSD." And I thought touche star and although that whole story probably means nothing As high as i was i will never forget how that felt and the impression i was left with that to beings that are ultimately consciousness having an experience in the shell of a human being or a yellow dwarf star

1:15:49 Both sort of have their ups and downs. And upon their inevitable demises, both can ultimately be summed up as... Huh! That was cool. And that's a beautiful thing. And that's it I've done my part Your move Eternal Pharaohs Of The Orion Nebula Your. Frickin'. Move Carwood, it's your show now So what's it gonna be? Cause people will tune in to Hear another new conspiracy Almost too much of We thought this was low It's bad getting worse so Where'd all the good people go They're on the higher side chats cause its everybody's favorite show

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