George Howard | Suppressed Plasma Physics, Lost Civilizations, & The Cosmic Summit

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00:54 Well, my world's on fire. How about yours? From the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood and how anyone still keeps faith in any of our traditional institutions is beyond me for a long time academia industry and a compromised media benefited from a monopoly on ideas and information across pretty much all scientific disciplines and perspectives on history But after 25 years of a fairly open internet, our traditional structures have proven themselves to function more as gatekeepers to knowledge than altruistic and curious experts on the cutting edge of their disciplines. They mock outside-the box thinking, refuse to discuss ideas with the uncredentialed and invoke willful ignorance around a lot of alternatives. They circle the wagons around their preferred narratives and dogma bullying those who dare dig deeper

01:39 They cherry-pick what new discoveries to circulate and surprise, they tend to happen be the ones that reinforce the academic orthodoxy that dares go no further than what their experts have established as official canon. Whether it's health and medicine, human history, energy science, archaeology or astrophysics we find much more interesting forward thinking in good faith discussions happening in the alternative space From people who are plenty capable of understanding the fields they find interesting despite not having the almighty system stamp of approval. And in a big way, these rogue researchers have breezed right past The Old Guard And their loss is our gain and the gain of people like today's guest, catastrophist conference organizer and self-proclaimed pajama scientist George Howard. For the uninitiated George runs the popular alternative everything website The Cosmic Tusk as well as The Cosmic Summit Conference and YouTube channel covering everything from free energy devices to the Knights Templar safekeeping the bones of Jesus

02:37 He was also an original proponent and expert on the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis with over a thousand academic citations in reference to it. And it's bound to be a good time today, the renegade researcher, citizen archaeologist, and cosmic tusk tactician George. Welcome to The Higher Side! Thank you very much, Greg Carlwood. I am honored to have an introduction from you because you give them like nobody else, buddy. That's awesome! Thank you so much. It's all part of the 9-to-5 at this point but thanks, thanks. Well, you do a good job in that nine-to-five. I try... So i learned about you from researching Bob Grenier

03:13 He was one of the presenters at the last Cosmic Summit and then I watched more, and then I saw some interviews of yours. And you've had quite a ride from your study of The Younger Dryas comic impact hypothesis to being involved with some wild free energy work But to get this going, the name Cosmic Tusk for those who don't know. You actually do have a large mammoth tusks on your wall in your living room pretty awesome and you have a lengthy explanation on the website explaining the branding so let's crack this nut open what would you say the cosmic tusk embodies? What is your approach to alternative ideas and stuff that conventional experts just won't touch

03:57 I don't know, go five clicks in man. Don't surf the top of the web." You know? Get curious and then just... I just can't stop with it and that was the greatest thing that ever happened to me. It gets a lot of shit now but I love it. I was the kind of guy that couldn't study at college because—at the library because I would end up just walking around and pulling books off the shelf about other subjects you know? And so I'm pretty curious guy and I was, you know grew up a science geek And I had a very, very rationalist businessman button-down father and an extremely wild new age crystal loving mama. Right? They eventually parted it was just fine they were better in the 50s 60s and 70s they just couldn't do 80s 90s sure yeah but i don't know did they kind of mixed up in my head if you took them together and blended them that would be

04:53 Cosmic Tusk now, you know kind of trying to stay rational Trying to stick with the science and everybody wants to do that And that's true and everybody seeks too but the cosmic summit for instance is a balance of it We try to put one third credentialed researchers that hold a heretical position, that we're just regular old geochemists. And then they fall into this thing and they're like, oh my God! This is a crazy world. There was a tremendous catastrophe 12,800 years ago and I see that in my data and I've worked with these kinds of techniques for 30 years and to be honest, I got to come forward with it." So we have that group one-third...and then two thirds are called speculators. They are people who were taking that published science

05:37 popularizing it, right? And that might be Johanna James or Ben at Uncharted X. It's certainly the great Randall Carlson Right? Where you're taking work that is obscure or set aside by the mainstream, or as you said in your introduction willful ignorance is a huge problem. Yes. Where people deliberately... I don't want to look into this because it just makes me uncomfortable that my last 30 years of teaching has been misdirecting students about the past. So I'm just not going to look into this version of the past because it would just be too painful for me personally, so I'll stay willfully ignorant." Yes

06:20 Yeah, that's a great summary. What I latched onto on your website description was that while most attention is focused on the future you focus on the past and i think that's wise You know there's this perception of linear progress That it's just from the bottom straight up to top And really more like a sine wave form Of valleys and peaks all throughout It seems...and I think the harder archaeologists in particular, or even armchair archaeologists just look at the past and look at some of the symbols that have been used for a long long time and how those symbols relate to structures that people see in the lab with free energy. It makes you wonder maybe we should be looking into the past to rediscover our old highest heights

07:11 One of the taglines for Cosmic Summit is past is prologue. There you go, right? That you got to read the first part of the book and know it pretty well before you know the rest of it and what's coming. And um... It actually goes all the way down into a research approach I believe, but yeah, I'm a catastrophist as you said, I believe there have been repeated catastrophes particularly very pronounced one 13 000 years ago called The Younger Drosodont But I believe they've been others too. quite a bit of money looking out, probably not as much as we should. And I think we're kind of looking at the wrong things asteroids instead of comets etc But... A lot of money goes into spacecraft and various detection programs etc. and then no one looks at the shallow soils of Earth to see if they contain impact proxy markers in various defined horizons That's not that expensive There is one group in the world doing it It's called The Comet Research Group

08:04 And we do it on nickels and dimes, in people's free time. And some significant contributions in recent years that have helped out tremendously particularly for Mr Eugene Jong I will say that when he is speaking with him later this week But if you went and had a multidisciplinary open-minded comprehensive worldwide testing of shallow soils You could probably do this for five or ten million dollars human history much more clearly. You think so? It's strange, we don't look at the past... Look at it this way, excuse me Greg there are two ways to figure out how often things hit us you look out and that's the traditional method then we count all this stuff and say okay what is that or you can say how often has it happened in the past

08:51 And we don't do that. Right, well you know there's also a lot of stuff that I'm skeptical of when it comes to like carbon 14 dating and how much accuracy can we really put on these super long arcs of history? We're talking millions of years! The actual information we have to go on is kind of a fraction of that and then its extrapolated out these huge degrees, I just don't know. I mean, I'm ignorant you know maybe you can help me out but i don't know how reliable I can make some of that stuff these claims that are involving millions sometimes hundreds of millions of years well it's like hominids you know? You can take every early human hominid bone the type they found in southern Africa right

09:40 going back a million years and Lucy and all that kind of stuff. You can take everyone that's ever been found and put them in the trunk of a car, so I mean you're piecing it together. You're making a lot of assumptions to build your timeline and that might be the best timeline they come up with but damn it they need to put an asterisk beside it that says hey You know, we didn't have a whole lot to go on and we could've missed a whole lot since we got .0001% of the material. Yeah there's so many theories that become the canon, the official canon and then they're just assumed to be true And when you start...you know these one third of the rogue scientists you deal with They start finding holes in these theories

10:21 And the conventional model says, well your data can't be accurate. The model is accurate and it's like well it still says theory at the end of it so can we like add in the new information and maybe adjust the theory? But you know this is a tale as old as time. Exactly Gregg! It doesn't modify itself like science is supposed to there's a lot of received wisdom that's another term You know that has just received wisdom That's just what you got you assumed it was with and then it...you just pass it on and no one questions it But back to the internet, it's blowing all that up. I mean it's been going on for 30 years but now it's intensely...I just don't think you can put these ideas away When we first were working on the Younger Dryas catastrophe in the 2000s You could fit everybody that was talking about or researching an Ice Age comet into a minivan It was about 10 of us Published the paper, I think it was 23 in 2007

11:14 And those are the only people that even knew of this idea. I mean, unless you were traditional catastrophists Plato told us 2000 years ago that there's a catastrophe at this time so if you look at it that way but as far as mainstream credentialed scientists very small group and no one in the public that was generally we're now millions or are aware, younger drives of that. And it did that without the assistance of the scientific journals particularly. some bloodlines got in charge of things across Europe and decided, well we are the kings. And maybe they backdated some history I mean there's some really wild things out there in terms of how the power structure got in place but I think it logics out that potentially there was a high society called Atlantis Some people at

12:13 head of that society had knowledge of cataclysms and they found some way to save themselves and reemerge at the top of the heap while the rest of us were trying to figure out what the hell just happened. What do you think about that kind of idea? Yeah, I call it precursor civilization because Atlantis is such a Disney ruined it for us. That's true. You got to wonder about that too because they cartoonified our true past. And I don't have strong assumptions or beliefs about the nature of Atlantis and the precursor civilization, but i think it's plainly obvious and I believe the old stories when you start taking the old stories seriously

13:02 which used to be just complete silliness. Why believe in mythology? It's just trying to communicate deeper human understandings, the actual mechanics of the story or beside the point, which always stripped it of its interest to me. I didn't even consider... I remember in middle school taking mythology classes and just not really liking it and then in the early 90s when I got into Carolina Bays went on a website that still around Bob Cobras' website And he laid out and said, hey these mythological stories when Zeus throws a thunderbolt you know and Phaeton's chariot is crossed across the sky those are actually I guess you call it allegory or whatnot for actual physical events that they were witnessing. And then reducing to storytelling yeah and then myth became really interesting to me i was like no kidding

13:52 No kidding, if you look at it through that lens and take these people seriously and literally with allowances for time and cultural understandings in naming this or that what they call it. It just opens up a whole new world because everybody agrees that there was a golden age. That there were people before, that there was tremendous trauma, that there were waves and fire and earth shaking the worst day Earth ever had, and then we barely made it. And just a few did and then we rebuilt in different terms. Now if everybody around the world is saying that maybe we should take it seriously but I think you know...I think the rejection of religion kind of 19th century and stripping out Darwinism all that I think went too far yeah and yeah and it kinda denied us something really important about human story which is embodied in religion

14:53 And we became just, you know... All science became knee-jerk secular. Yeah! Well the global flood myth of course is exhibit A for that premise. Exhibit A! The exhibit A and the funny thing is modern academia you know they bow and scrape and whatnot to diversity in indigenous cultures and land... But then if you tell them how about we take these people's story? They consider their stories, their origin stories to be campfire stories Just total bullshit. You're like, well how can you pay these people so much respect but not take seriously their contention that a

15:29 gigantic wave washed over their island sometime in the past and you know, they barely made it. Yeah yeah You know so take them seriously Indeed So with this precursor civilization you know what I alluded to with Bob Grenier's work the thing that i thought was so interesting that presentation The Cosmic Summit one I've got some screenshots I might be able to add and post but he showed his fathers Freemasonic regalia, the medals and the emblems that he had. And that these patterns that are in them, the sacred geometry of them, the Florida Lee for example and these other symbols they actually are the same geometry shapes that he's seen in the lab working on this plasma physics low energy nuclear reaction stuff. I've heard you say that both your grandfathers were

16:24 Freemasons and you know a little bit about that, that they were doing rituals and that their sacred knowledge goes back to at least Egypt. If not this precursor civilization And the quote I wrote down here when you talk about this was that they were doing stuff That wasn't bad as woo as it gets Well, I mean I'm interested to hear a little bit more of the insight You might have got from your grandfathers and just your thoughts on this connection between free energy lab work and freemasonic regalia. It seems like they're kind of trying to preserve some old knowledge. Yeah, I think they were preserving the knowledge with varying degrees of understanding what it all meant. You know? And it was probably... For a lot of Masons, probably ritual for rituals sake and not really understanding

17:13 until you got into higher degrees, I would suppose. You know the true nature of the knowledge that you're receiving and i would imagine if they're using Egyptian symbology in 1950 in Columbia South Carolina in a beautiful building downtown That just blows my mind. Me too! Yeah, and these are button-down oil painting type three piece suit guys but you go get them back to the lodge and turn the lights down and then they're conducting ancient rituals timeless rituals it blows my mind. And I'll tell you, we had a hell of a piece of synchronicity and synchronicity is always more significant to the person experiencing it. It might sound a little interesting in long shot that that happened to someone else but you see when you see yourself and this one hit me that way. I guess by the time this airs, um... We will have announced, I don't know if anybody will notice but hopefully they'll notice down the road that we're going do a new network on esoteric historical subjects, if you will. Okay. Right?

18:15 And it's going to involve a lot of creators to be announced that have already signed on, et cetera and so forth. We'll have correspondence I'm going to act as an anchor for a news program, et cetera." So we're scoping out space for a studio. And this guy says, well this is just perfect for y'all you know? This where you need to be go look at...I forget the thing like 130 Fayetteville Street. So I said looked at it, oh that's pretty building! It says Masonic Lodge Building that the whole building, like our studio I think is going to be in the Masonic Lodge. You know on the first block of the main street in North Carolina Fable Street one block from the state capitol it was the perfect studio for us and it happened to be at a lodge and the interesting thing about that place is That it was an office building from day one

19:04 They built it in 1907, but they leased the space out and had accountants in there and all that kind of stuff. And then did the rituals? I hadn't learned everything. I look forward to learning them on the upper floors or something. But the Masons—and back to the Templars and whatnot—I have come to understand they were very enlightened people. They were trying to transmit the understanding that human nature is flawed, and you need to set us up in manners that account for our flaws like divided government. And all of the founding fathers, I believe were Freemasons in fact, I know it right? So that document relates to some of their understandings that they were taking from their masonry very directly so you can as Tim and Scott Walter have laid out so well that The Founding Of America is kind of based on those principles

19:58 Where are you with masonry, Greg? I mean it can kind of go two ways on our side. You know it's like Are these people creeps or are they heroes? I'm on the hero side now. Yeah, I mean i'm not married to either idea. I actually think that the nuance is that an organization Is kind of mundane but then power seeking people join it and then you have the bushes And this time in history where a lot of power seeking people did join up and then started offshoot groups I think it depends on what time depth you're looking at because at a certain time, it seems like they were preserving knowledge that authority would have burned them at the stake for having. And so sure, you got to go underground and then I think if there is real power in this sacred knowledge that starts to transmutate into

20:48 the only, having a monopoly on some really powerful techniques and then I think certain people exploited that power folded it in. I mean when you look at people break down 9-11 as a ritual of the two twin pillars of Jack is and Boaz or whatever it is like there's some really detailed stuff there that's very bizarre I don't think that you can really summarize it as one thing because at different time periods, it's been different things. Different people in different countries. Yeah, people come through who want to exploit it for sure and that's my curiosity is so why do you think they preserve the rituals these days? Is it just ceremonious or is there something really embedded in there some kind of power and what does that power relate to? Is a consciousness, is a manifestation?

21:36 I have approached them about joining the local lodge. Oh, ho-ho! I got tired of talking about it and just said okay i gotta jump in the pool So I'm going to have lunch with somebody here soon. And, and maybe I'll get fast track since I'm friends with Tim and the gang." That would be nice! My speculation is that it's heavily involving consciousness and potentially manifestation. Maybe those two things are the same because you have to take all this knowledge back to a pre-industrial non technical non digital world

22:12 And so back then, what is there to play with? Well maybe there's some really exotic benefits to meditation. Maybe you can get into group ritual spaces meditate and project astral projects the consciousness of a whole group of people into one liminal space together. Maybe that has its own benefits. It is really difficult to say. Manifestation, I think that that is something that has been trashed super hard but...I don't know. I think there's a truth to it. I listen to Neville Goddard and I'm like man this guy is really compelling. He's the guy from like the 1950s but

22:54 He used to say, and not to go off a huge Neville Goddard tangent but he used to say when you come to his presentations. He would say I want you for three nights in a row To as you fall asleep picture yourself climbing a ladder just picture yourself climbing a ladder And then throughout the day say to yourself. I will not climb a ladder and this is supposed to demonstrate that visualization in your inner world is much stronger than vocalizing something. And he would say, if you don't end up climbing a ladder don't even come back to my presentations because obviously they're not going to be valuable to you but I've heard people say that they did this and one example is this guy was like...I never..I was like I don't even climb ladders why would I climb the ladder? But I'll do the exercise

23:38 And then he was hanging out with some buddies at the lake and they were jumping off the dock. And as they were coming back, he realized that to get back to shore to climb the dock- He was on a ladder! And he's like holy shit this is real so Take scale that up to something. That's not as mundane as a ladder That's just the exercise to crack open the brain But you know imagine that You fall into a huge fortune and then imagine a group of guys discover this and like preserve it for themselves and continue to do the rituals Heighten up their manifestation abilities. I think there's definitely something there, but just like remote viewing We know remote viewing is real But it's a huge problem for national security so they suppress it and they tell us It's not real well manifestation to it would be a huge problem if everybody suddenly felt powerful enough to walk into their true will

24:33 Yeah, yeah. Hierarchy doesn't need that. I think we're approaching that day... You said something important earlier that was kind of a segue from me talking about taking mythology and taking it literally? Sure And that Bob finds things in the lab that match ancient iconography and art Right? The shapes need to be taken literally It's the same thing It's like this isn't just pretty, like the old poem or the old myth is elegant and whatnot. But it's real. That art is actually reflecting physical phenomena that happen in the high energy scale, exotic energy scales. I love that research and this is another thing

25:23 Yeah, I'm supposed to be interviewing you. You're supposed to be the star of this show so Let's fold in something that is just mind-blowing to me but yeah, I know obviously your good friends with Randall and Randall Carlson has done a lot of Joe Rogan interviews and he's done interviews here largely about the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis But there was this time this situation steeped in intrigue where Randall brought this guy Malcolm Bendel to Rogan Studio with him and they wanted to expose this free energy research to the masses that Malcolm had worked on. And an interview was recorded, and then Joe decided not to air it and it's been buried and obviously I'm endlessly curious about what was in that interview

26:10 I come to find out, maybe it's synchronicity. But you were there! You were in the room! You heard the interview recorded and you are in the car with them, I guess driving into the studio so you can shed some light on this very curious situation that I've always wanted to know more about The No Show Joe show The no-show Joe show indeed You know? The only one that ever didn't make it out of a can And I don't necessarily hold that against Joe, I should say as a disclaimer right off the bat. And I don't say that just to kiss his ass if he were to happen to hear but I was there it was wild And it's his call on this stuff and I don't think it was what he expected that day by far. Well, let me just jump in and say I do kind of hold him accountable because why is it okay for the audience to make up their own mind when it comes to Terrence Howard's weird math or any other fucking subject he covers? You know, I'm in the soup too so

27:08 Sometimes wild claims get made. I'm sure in my 15 year history some bullshit has made it onto the air, but you let the audience decide So this is a good point that this one situation involves free energy? I think one of the most dangerous things to talk about And he has said he concluded that he thinks Randall got taken for a ride by a huckster well Put it out there and let the audience decide because you don't seem to care about Terrence Howard's weird math and all these other things. So, uh... The Terrence Howard thing that's a good point I mean that was some pretty weird wild stuff too but the interview we yes it was a great trip And go to Randall's house now rented a big old Cadillac Escalade You know like SUV thing and figured okay

27:53 We'll have a good time doing this, and we'll go see some Indian mounds. And I'll go pick up Randall in Atlanta and will drive to Austin and drive back into a mound tour there and back which is lot of fun." But I get there and I knew he was around. I didn't think he was coming with us necessarily. It was this curious little bald Tasmanian man at Randal's house. And it quickly became apparent that he was jumping in the car with us And then Randall says, well he's kind of banging on me a little bit to get on the show. And said your call interesting I mean, I don't know what he'd say but so we get in the car and this curious man, The Amazing Bundle begins telling the wildest series of tales of international intrigue that I have ever heard anyone say in my entire life

28:51 And we're talking a good 15 hours in the car and a night and all of that kind of stuff. I mean, it was extended, extended detailed lecture from Malcolm about all sorts of bizarre things, okay? Including bringing down shell oil and we can get into some of the wilder parts in a sec. So I listened to all this and was like yeah that's the craziest thing I've ever heard you know surely he's not gonna say any of that on Rogan And it gets up there And he goes, gives the exact same spew of information. Not by far it was much more than just free energy because Malcolm's thing if taken in whole involves all sorts of additional kind of quasi-political geopolitical intrigue

29:46 that has nothing to do with free energy. So he just goes screaming into this world with Rogan and then Rogan went into what I would call, and I was like oh my God he's gonna say everything he said in the car! And we were just jaws agape and it started rolling and Joe went into what I call kind of Spotify mode, corporate mode. He was like whoa! I got a wild one on here and i think he thought okay this is crazy man combo fraud I need to be real careful here and beat him up for awhile so for about 45 minutes Joe's pushing back and then the amazing Ben doll seems to kinda grab Joe

30:27 intellectually, and then they start mind-melding. And then it's just a roller coaster of crazy talk man! And the security guys I'm sitting out there with the antelope head and all that stuff you know? You're not sitting in studio so you watch it on screens and stuff...and these guys have obviously seen a lot of Rogan. They're sitting there all day every day They were calling their wives going, baby you ain't gonna believe this one. This is the craziest I mean and when they cut the thing everybody looked at each other said that is the wildest Joe Rogan ever recorded this is gonna be memed up globally. I mean Malcolm had some little thing that is uh

31:06 Buddhist teacher had told him, will you do something with your hand? And then Joe tried to do it. And then Joe goes bug-eyed like he does on Malcolm several times and Malcolm's bug eyeing back and it was just crazy. And uh...and then Randall came up to me later and said, You know bad news It looks like they're gonna hold this one for a while." And...and Joe actually when Jamie came up and Joe said This is still in the studio I heard about it later And we can't say like, this is a wild one boss. He said it sure was and Joe said we want to probably have to clip that up some and Jamie said they're just too much of it I don't think I can so then it was kind of hanging by thread within a couple of days We knew that they just decided not to publish it but what he was talking about was things like having Married a woman some of this is in his books. I might get some the details straight who knows might all be bullshit

32:04 But Putin created his marriage, he put this woman on him. And she was a mysterious character and the night they married she laid out three different identities and she was either computer scientist, a Russian peasant girl and something else. She was like three different people so whatever he's going in these days oh in the golden brain of China that Malcolm had been mentored for two years in China by the greatest brain in China whatnot and at the same time he smuggling in Bibles to China And then he gets into body part harvesting

32:48 And it was just such a rollicking roller coaster of every single thing he was saying sounded kind of sets off a little bit of a bullshit alarm. But for people like us, you know, you're kinda still in the game? Yeah! But there was so much of it that I guess Joe just said, you know, interview a fraud. And then as Randall will tell you about the interview it included very little about the tech and Randall was wanting to give and they had prepared I think mistakenly and i knew it at the time but they...I think they had like 200 slides that they were going to give Joe on the tech? Well, first of all it just doesn't work on Rogan. I mean you can't go on Rogan and give 200 slides it's a conversational podcast it's not a presentation thing so they have prepared for presentation and of course the conversation gets rolling as catalyzed by Malcolm's crazy ideas so Randall sitting over there frustrated that you know you can't get into the tech

33:44 So that's the No Show Joe show and it began a whole series of things. Man, I went to India with Rob Grenier we built the machine over there in some godforsaken city We also had a luxury trip where we went to Zurich and ran the machine there, under very different conditions but also had to build it there. I say that because it was just such a weird thing to be doing internationally. We like had to go on scavenger hunts for all the little parts that you needed to build the bubbler in and the thunderstorm generator, you know that attachment stuff while we were in India having to gather the parts and run around these warrens of... I don't know. It's just crazy! It was like one those true international adventures with a crazy scientist there were people from Indian military there without question These were military authorities from the Navy that wanted to see it run So I've kind heard about all this things You know as conspiracist like I am some degree

34:41 people tagged us with that name but let's just go ahead and say it. I believe in these things, and then i got in the middle of one you know like god is this for real? Is this really going on? And we tested the thing pretty thoroughly here in Raleigh and it showed incredible results! We had it in a laboratory here that literally was a university-grade laboratory very qualified people, some of the smartest people in the state that were scratching their chin very hard on how it managed to remove all pollutants from internal combustion engine and send out clean air. I mean that's a pretty good parlor trick and we had so many devices hooked up to it looked like an ICU patient. This was a serious investigation and couldn't quite get to the bottom of it and then Malcolm kind

35:36 And he was also sucking all my chi out. I don't never, usually don't use those kinds of terms but it really did feel the guy for about a year just drew my energy out. And he's exhausting, yeah. What are you questioning? Yes I know those kind of people and i'm well familiar with characters who have a kernel of truth but maybe can't stay on topic...I mean it's the name of the game! So another couple of details I heard you talk about when you've mentioned this previously is apparently Randall was on Rogan previously and just kind of talking about him, and accidentally name-dropped him. And he was doing his research in the Maldives in isolation and the president of the Maldives called Malcolm Bendell was like hey now that your spots blown up you can't do the research here You got to go which yeah is compelling to me because there are all sorts of folks from the Navy military intelligence CIA There's a lot of

36:36 People who seem to try to keep free energy contained because there's a lot of money being made and let's just keep things going as they're going. I think you can take the story all the way back to prohibition because cars used to run on alcohol, and farmers used to be able to just throw kitchen scraps into a fermentation bin and then power their own tractors suddenly the The reason Rockefeller funded all these temperance movements, these poor little housewives who were so worried about what their husbands were doing. Why Rockefeller got behind that is because it competes with oil and I think that's been the name of the game the whole time but let's talk a little bit more about this thing where after this Rogan interview you went with this guy, you demoed this tech, the thunderstorm generator.

37:35 It is a cavitation device and it can be retrofitted to internal combustion engines. The device removes all emissions, maintains oxygen levels and significantly increases engine efficiency. It's simple enough to build with parts from hardware store and this is just wild so I think... They've got a giant one now, he's still working on it. Okay yeah i want to know the latest when it comes to Bendell's work and maybe you and I don't have the expertise to vet it but I mean have you seen it running? Have you seen a car make it around the block with this thing on it like what can you verify? Oh hell yes! We had one at the Cosmic Summit Yeah I heard that, I heard that. Yeah an old 53-57 Chevy whatever it was

38:17 But, yeah I've run it through its paces. I first saw it at Tesla Tech which is a conference worth checking out. It's coming around! It's coming around again people keep telling me about it Yeah, it's cool and it's kind of part of our network as well. How did I first get introduced to it? Randall, I don't know. But I flew out and said, I want to see this machine and I actually walked in the hotel and he was just cranking it up. And I was like oh my God you know this guy's really saying this and that there is got a... We had more of these devices. I learned a lot about them these emission testing things where you stick it into the sensor into the exhaust and it tells you what's in it. He flips it on all of the pollutants just go to zero

39:03 And damn engine's still running. All they did was just run it through the bubbler." And I said, well that's amazing and so i called a friend that is works on free energy projects if you will leave it at that in a significant manner. He actually, I've said some of this but there was a small company here in Raleigh that was investigating cold fusion and made a pretty good run at it. I don't know exactly what's going on now and as they said to me, I've become a journalist So I don't really get a whole lot of tips out of them anymore, you know? Because I'm sitting there recording 10 hours a week and God knows what I could say. Sure. And so I deliberately don't know much about what's going on now but it's got very significant investors. Lauren Jobs has been named as one in CNBC articles. So I think I can say that. The wealthiest woman in the world is behind it. Wow! But those people put a lot up... You know they'll take moonshot investments just to mean that they got it but I called my friend and said can I bring it back and y'all take a look at it

40:04 So I actually got to know Malcolm very quickly and he gave me his machine. And I put it in the back of a Penske van, rental van and drove it all the way from Albuquerque back to North Carolina and put it in a secret laboratory. Like I said we tested for a damn month and couldn't get to the bottom of it So why can't I buy one? Where are the plans where i can go to Lowe's and just put this thing together. I think they've got something out now, you know really it's funny our team fellow named Beckett Fusico who I wanted to introduce you to talked about earlier he talked to Malcolm yesterday and neither of us have been in direct touch with him for close to a year and I really should have called to get what is the latest but from what they're putting out on social media the little old you know thunderstorm generator that had

40:55 you know, the sphere attached to it. Our spheres were like this big. The one he's working on in Australia is like this big and there's a whole bunch of fancy equipment around and all that kind of stuff so there's a lot of work going into it still if it be a fraud... And he's sitting here ramping up the fraud continuing I just never saw the fraud part It's a pretty poor fraud actually when we were driving down there and he was saying all this stuff I just sold my company and could kind of say with some credibility, you know that I could invest in something. So I said to Malcolm in the parking lot of a Buc-ee's, I said hey... And Randall was away so I kinda looked at him like a businessman he's the dinner. I said hey where would quarter million dollars get me in this? Dundalk seriously and I didn't say get it to him just said well where would that get me what would and

41:49 He just shrugged it off. He said, I don't want any money and then I was in touch with him for the rest of a year he never asked for any money and then after we parted...he got upset with us. He's very volatile guy and he got all and very paranoid oh my god! You have never been with someone who is so physically paranoid you won't rent a hotel room unless it's high enough that you gotta angle the shot So sharply that you probably can't shoot somebody in a bed. You know, and things like that. He's the character? Yeah he is an absolute character about how paranoid he was I don't know but it I just kind of had to part from it. I wish I had a better ending. I think he could have it oh

42:40 Yeah, he gave me... Oh! He thought that someone had stolen the testing equipment while at the Cosmic Summit. I heard that and he blamed you for bad security? Oh God and then i have to go back during the event and review all the footage their cameras around the hotel figured out exactly what happened it was total bullshit they didn't didn't apologize or anything. So it kind of ended with a dud, I don't know what he think particularly against Malcolm because that's the nature of somebody like that you know? Yeah but then what did he do as he had been saying all along I get a million shares of penny stock in London of Alpha Prospects and on papers were $200,000. Wow! He never asked for any money and arguably I don't know how liquid it is gave me money

43:30 So that's an odd fraud and I would have made a good mark. I looked like the perfect Mark, I probably would have been you know if he had said in that part i wouldn't totally serious but he probably could have talked me into some money yeah But it just never happened. You know my take on the free energy space is that there's so many examples from Stanley Meyer who just even just people who got cars to run on alternative fuels like water or got them to run 200 miles a gallon, even small micro movements like that these people have had their work destroyed they're

44:06 Slabs robbed sometimes they're killed. I think Stanley Myers last words where i've been poisoned There's there's a lot of stories like this so I hopped up at the Cracker Barrel, said I've been poisoned after meeting with two mysterious Belgian people and dropped dead in the parking lot. Right? So I don't necessarily have to hinge the whole free energy thing on one guy because I think there are dozens of people and if even one of them had the truth then that's all there needs to be but But I also wanted to ask you before we ran out of time about your most recent interview with Paul Shatskin because that was an interview that hit me like a ton of bricks. I loved it, he has these two books that are kind of obscure one about T Townsend Brown and one about Philo T Farnsworth

44:56 Brown of course was working on anti-gravity technology brought into the invisible college kind of group I think we called it the Caroline Group and Farnsworth was the inventor of the television conventionally. And then after the television he started working on cold fusion and apparently had a device that could fit in a briefcase and sit on your kitchen table, Where's that information? You know, where is that in the file on yeah. Where's the file or T Farnsworth Museum That's talking about that aspect of his work But what did you get out of that interview have you read those two books? I have. I have read both of them, and I think Shatkin's a great documentarian of heretical science. Yeah And the Philo T Farnsworth as we discussed in the interview it just blows my mind. I mean there are all sorts of great eureka and aha moments and you know discoveries made by impassioned individuals but they're generally adults You know he was 13 years old when he intuited

45:57 the control of electrons to communicate visual imagery. And then he made it manifest and it changed the world, I mean how does somebody get struck with that? I think it's something that has to come along and then fate and cosmic forces have to manifest a person to get it done We're all manifesting, we've all got some kind of role. But I don't know there's just it seemed like TV had to happen and it had to happen then and the advance between what he described as mechanical television... They were trying real hard to come up with TV! It wasn't out-of-the blue, it was like we need something that communicates pictures

46:42 And everything else was complete slop. I mean, it wasn't going to go anywhere and it was actually mechanically driven television where you had to turn a thing and all that kind of stuff. And then boom! Somebody uses Einstein's understandings to show us a new way. It just...I don't know. Just seems little cosmic. And then he gets up all the gets to the end and comes up with something perhaps just as pro- well more profound And as you say, it was never heard from again. Like so many of these stories in dot-dot-dot. Yeah? I agree and the T Townsend Brown book is so fascinating to me because of the dialogues he was having with this anonymous character He was having these email exchanges with this anonymous character that apparently was a research partner of Brown's

47:33 The secret love of Brown's daughter. Of the daughter, yeah! Yeah very bizarre but he would disclose and drip drip drip little bits of information to Paul and To see these transcripts basically in the book they were mind-blowing to me And I think that thing I've talked about the most in previous interviews was this instance where T Townsend Brown and his daughter go to bed at night. They have the same dream that these beings from a craft came and brought them back their work because they had retired their work because they thought there was a mole, and it was going to get out to Russia so they retired the work. They have this dream of UFO brings them the work back And then Paul asks this anonymous source like what was that all about? He goes That Was Us

48:19 So you're basically saying that there is a secret group that can take physical objects and actually travel to people in their dream space, and reliably give them things or just basically the notion that you can technologically invade someone's dream space alone is interesting. And you know, I do think we probably live in a shared dream. That's probably the best conclusion about what reality is and why you can take mushrooms and see the same beans that they say disclosure is going to reveal. Oh without question yeah The whole psychedelic component and isn't it crazy how that's coming along all these things? That's why I say don't be too much of a cynic It can't

49:02 The grand culmination of this stuff can't be something that they are controlling. It has to be something that they're trying to manage, but I think there's an inevitable enlightenment coming. But I like what you're saying about... persistent global individual monitoring and tracking to keep us from misusing that technology. Yeah, that's a Bob thing! I mean again... I think he is on it. Yeah and that also kind of fits with me. I'm an optimist in maybe a little Pollyanna but I just do think there are good people out there too for every demon there is an angel And you know

49:41 something's going to come that we're going to glad have it. I heard a good, uh... I don't know if you've heard this phrase yet but it stuck out to me. You ever heard somebody say—I'm gonna put on t-shirts— reality shouldn't be classified? I like it! Yeah isn't that good? Reality shouldn't be classified. It wasn't Rubio but it was one of those types who thought deep about it and said that's ridiculous this is reality. You can't keep reality from people so I think we're gonna see reality more clearly than we ever have in coming days, maybe how many we got? Four. Four days! Yeah, let's see if I hit that one, I just... That'd be great It would it would be you'd be the man out of the conspiracy yeah no one communicated that to me in a dream

50:29 Before we do the wrap-up stuff, has Bob ever met Malcolm? Have they interacted and worked on projects together to any degree? Have they vetted each other? Oh yeah. We went to Switzerland and India with Malcolm to run The Machine. And then Bob worked on The Machine and investigated The Machine himself in London as well. So they've done a significant amount of traveling together. We were in India with Mrs. Bob and the little Bobs, he's got the two smartest kids oh my god I mean that was just another thing said this guy is for real I mean his son ran through high school by the time He was like 12 you know taking college classes as a young teen The daughter smart as hell and his wife beautiful intelligent

51:20 woman herself. So, Bob is... He's good genes man! But yeah they have met and they've spent a lot of time together and I don't know where Bob is now except I thought it was odd that the one thing he found crenulated iron spherules you know inside the thing. You also found crenulated iron spherules at 9-11 right? Inside the thunderstorm generator It was transmutating things that weren't there before, okay? And you're finding elements within some of those spherules that weren't in there before. So the torotomagnetic moment that's occurring in there is somehow transmuting something etc. Point is at the YD, that's one of our main lines of evidence at the Younger Dryas boundary. One of the main proxies is crinulated iron spherules which I just think was there some kind type of plasma action at the catastrophe

52:21 I think so. And, I wanna run that down and haven't really linked those teams up yet right? I want to get the spherule experts like Mark Young of the Comet Research Group to go look at Bob's spherules and see how are they distinguished from those we find in The Younger Dryas Black Matt Yes! I think thats one of the biggest problems we have is the compartmentalization of the alternative world Like when we used to talk about aliens 10 years ago, I'd also interview these occultists and they would say look in these grimoires you can read these rituals and you can draw your pentagram. And this being of light that looks like X Y or Z will appear and you can have a dialogue with it. And then I'd read these accounts of the farmer that Neil deGrasse Tyson doesn't trust. And the farmer would basically say the same thing. And it's like well maybe there's a way to

53:16 intentionally open the door with this equation of language Or maybe the bean can open the door itself in some other way on its side. So, I mean to me... But they're complementary experiences? Right! That's why I was saying that like the occultists and the ufology folks needed to really get together now it seems like it's a little more synergistic people are talking along those lines but I still don't think that the true occult scholars of the grimoire tradition have have communicated to the degree they should and shared data with the people who have tracked all the ufology encounters? Well, you know I think that's changing for the better too. I kind of call it The Great Weaving. I think these long form conversations that are going on are much more important than people appreciate. Podcasting which seems to be kind of a mundane activity

54:13 that actually it creates higher-level, long form conversations that also educate people below. But then people start to meet. I mean it's as simple as that and starting to trade guests and watch your show and I'm going to have them on right? We go to... we've looked at yours to find guests but bottom line is I think people can see that now ideas can surface more quickly too Right? Yes. And get talked all the way out, but I think there's it's converging. It's converging the guesting on podcasts again strain you know and i think action on Twitter too is creating a weaving an intellectual weaving that's bringing people from different aspects of this together and they're talking

54:59 And, you know, Bob Ashton Forbes meets Bob Griner. You know? I mean they're both in the kind of same space but they populate each other well how the hell did they get to know each other well they went online and went on YouTube oh that's our thing YouTube is most mundane thing in the world it didn't fact we kind of make fun of it you know its name almost sounds like the boob tube you know haha when it first came out isn't that funny you can watch TV on your computer Well, shit man. If you hadn't had YouTube educate you, you're uneducable! Yes... I mean it's the greatest education machine ever invented by man because you choose the class ain't nobody forcing it on ya Yeah and no one controls what information- You know to a degree we can have that conversation about censorship during COVID and all the other things but to a degree you can put up whatever you want without the authority that used to be present in any time before like the 1990s

55:52 So just don't say cheese pizza. Yeah, or a vaccine. Or ball lightning is cold fusion, ball lightning is cold fusion, ball lightening is cold fusion again. I'm barely getting my YouTube channel back together now we're going to blow it up already? I just thought you set off some bells buddy! You didn't have a good show unless you were setting off bells. I know, I have thought this has been really fun. I needed a good recharge because sometimes we get into the grind and its just like okay we are doing this one again but this has been really fun And, you know on the spectrum of skepticism yes. You know there is a phenomenon where there's a lot of people out there who like to say it's all bullshit and it's all fake and everything's corrupt because they just feel like it's safer to not get fooled. And so yeah they dismiss everything I try not to be that guy

56:40 I try not to be that guy, but now that I'm 40 and my life's half over and I've been listening for the first half of it how we're almost there on all these subjects. And here we still are right at the cusp but maybe we're forwarded...I'll save my speech until after this four-day reveal, the reveal four days from now is gonna happen because I look like a real fucking idiot. But hey It's been a lot of fun and I'm just a little, I don't want us to seem like we're too far apart. I'm just a little more on the spectrum of skepticism, a little bit deeper down than it seems like you are. I'm glad you have optimism maybe hope some of its contagious? Well, just give it another six months. I'll probably be where you are because uh... You've been ahead of your time and I've got to say We talked a little bit before the podcast but I will make sure note. I've been a tremendous fan of this show since virtually that gets us 2011

57:31 And there wasn't a whole lot out there, man. But the higher side chats was an absolute pillar of heretical podcast talk from day one and you still are. You've just done a great job way out ahead of other people, man. Thank you thank you I feel like i'm getting passed by but i'm still trying to claw my way back up to the upper third uh well good information all depends on how it's packaged and you got it and it ain't going anywhere Well, I appreciate that. So, I also am really happy that you have the Cosmic Summit! What we need is more in-person space and these people meeting and researchers coming together and that's a beautiful thing... And let people know, is there a next one? Where is it going to be? What's the deal? Yeah here's what happened… We took a year off. Umm.. I haven't said on podcast yet but now that it's completely over, I might as well say it. I got divorced this year after 25 years so... Sorry to hear that. Very sad. But both are gonna be okay kids are great

58:28 But it just wasn't the year to have another summit. And, and also it lost money which I've said a number of times but we can retool that so I retooled it so I don't think is going to lose money again We're gonna slim it down. I just had too many speakers you know find 30 people in from all over the world It's just too much of a fixed cost there or whatever So we're going to slim it down, we're going to move it to Raleigh where I am right now which is one tier up obviously from no name Greensboro. Okay and have my own reasons for wanting to do it there but those are now done And so we're going to move it to Raleigh. We'll do it again next year, but in the meantime as we discussed, we have set up a new network of creators called Titan Network and that will have been announced by now but I'm not sure to what degree, but rest assured that the Cosmic Summit world is very alive and we're gonna continue the weaving and I appreciate you recognizing the importance of getting together in person because it's absolutely magical

59:29 to get in a room with people, sit down at the bar and talk about the black mat with some random mushroom eating shit from Asheville sitting there with a refrigeration engineer from Indiana retired. And they're both talking about the black mat I love that shit you know? Agreed! And then they come in every other as my mom used say it's politically incorrect but 8-80 blind crippled and crazy I mean, every kind of person that you can have there. I love the diversity of it so there's no way we're going to sacrifice that. So it is going to come back and in the meantime, We're gonna have a digital presence moving forward that is unprecedented

1:00:06 The combined creators that we brought together now have 100 million views a month. And it's not going to be coordinated and co-packaged and all of that, but all of these people will be working together appearing with each other contributing to Titan News. We're gonna have a regular newscast And we get all that in place this year, we're going to have the most kick-ass cosmic summit. We're gonna make the other ones look like a damn tea party man! It's gonna be really really fun next time I love it and i'm on the east coast now so it's a little closer Raleigh is not so far from me So hopefully I'll see you there That was my next thing...We need to have you there Greg

1:00:44 And it's great to be in touch and to be a part of your show, man. I've been a fan a long time and I'm honored to be on it. Thank you. Two kinds so give people the other links and information they need the promo stuff The reason we do The Dance I guess promo, but be personal promo. But please like follow and subscribe the Cosmic Summit YouTube channel but also note down there there's a link to cosmicsummit.live and in exchange for your email not your cash but for your email and we're going use that entirely responsibly just communicate with you

1:01:23 You could at CosmicSummit.live, you can see all 100 hours of recordings that we've had over three years so it's all available free but we just want your email So go in and do that and that puts you in the community by virtue of that email you'll be hearing from us And yeah, follow me on Twitter either personally or TheCosmicsummit I'm more active on my personal account now And please watch my podcast, the Cosmic Tusk Podcast which I've regularized now about to hit my 50th episode. How many are you up to? You got it all. I haven't counted but probably about 1,000. There ain't many podcasts...I bet it's more dude! It might be but other shows that do the advertising model they're about churn and burn they'll put out multiple shows a week and I do this subscription model so its five a month So you add in 10 years and lot of shows have put out more content than me But thats fine

1:02:15 Well, it's a lot of fun. I mean you obviously enjoy it you're one the pioneers on that but just this is the best little retirement gig to just call up get in touch with interesting people and then sit down talk with them an hour that's just a blessing yes amen It's not a bad job A lot better than managing a GameStop so Amen brother thank you Greg Yes had a great time keep up the good work And hopefully I will see at that next cosmic summit Awesome stay curious humans And another one bites the dust, people. I loved it! I cannot believe that George and I missed each other for so many years Well, I guess he didn't miss me He knew about the Hirocyte chats but i only learned about the Cosmic Summit recently looking at Bob Greenier's presentation I guess I should stop saying Grineer or Grineer Yeah that's what I've been saying But I heard Grinier when Bob introduced himself but

1:03:17 I guess that's wrong. I went out to dinner the other night with Kurt Metzger and Danny Jones, and... ...I was trying to talk about Bob's work, and they were both like, you mean Greenier? You mean Gre- They didn't even know who i was talking about because I was pronouncing his name differently And it caused confusion. And so yes, Bob Greenyer. Bob Grenier? Bob Green- Sure! Bob! Well whatever George is fun right Not too serious but also very well informed. Sorry to hear he's taking a year off from the conference, the very year I learned about it and i'm all jazzed up on the potential to go but story of my life I guess It's all about timing Well... I've been kind of rebuilding my network a little bit lately opening up and being less Of a digital recluse And George seems to be a good guy to know I'm happy to add him to list people that maybe

1:04:14 Talk to more regularly now how do we feel about that june 6 prediction you might expect me to take this opportunity to say i told just so nothing happened really i think im gonna give him partial credit. I read there actually was an announcement planned with david grush being part of it but it was pulled back surprise surprise now grass has kinda gone rogue and just started giving out some of that info anyway, Same stuff we have heard before four types of craft and been found with four types of being summer by people humanoid life, some are mantis and summer plasma beans also saw dark journalist clip where he says that when he talked to grouch off the record i believe. Rush said you wasn't gonna just

1:05:04 Release all of his ip like that what a weird term to use about the truth but. He said that he most likely eventually do a book and movie about it so is not gonna release all zype in just obviously didn't sit well with dark journalist or myself but then also, i love you also just announced that he is the head of a new uap scientific advisory council Probably another nothing but it did happen in this window of time that george said to look for. That's just the thing though for me we've had enough councils we've had enough committees that is not what really needed at this point but

1:05:47 Look, George said he heard something about June 6th and that would be a data revealing. And I also saw independent reports that claim that too but these goalposts are always moving and nothing tends to come out. I am sick of being hyped up and i just want to wait until something actually is mind-blowing actually comes out and then I'll update you guys then we'll talk about it but right now it's just like all hype and I think all Time spent talking about disclosure is wasted until there is some. I'm not gonna comment on every little micro movement at least don't really want to but it's been going on for several years now at this point, i'm just sick of being strong along and again they don't seem the wanna talk to experience or is that all

1:06:38 What gun to my head i do think what's being felt out right now is if they can use aliens as a cover for rolling out the deep state alternative energy tech they've hidden for a hundred years. I don't want to admit that dozens of people have stumbled upon it and just had their work in lives destroyed so you can make this sale that this was always alien tag, there's not as much to be held accountable for you can kind of massage that quite a bit and i think they want this alternative energy stuff out because they can't get the data center infrastructure done without it, it's like the last thing required to get over the goal line. Otherwise there would never give it to us i guess is also an argument be made that just the economy has

1:07:30 Peter doubt and there's no new markets left in even a is a giant bubble so just to keep the economic game going maybe they'll release some of this stuff i guess i can understand that premise too but regardless probably speaking the point would be, there's nowhere left to go what opening these doors and you don't wanna get in trouble for Being the big suppressor, so you just say it was aliens and that maybe this they'll say that they've been reverse engineering at this whole time trying since the 1940's and The breakthrough has finally happened. That's kind of what I would expect no other narrative really makes sense to me And even that one is pretty wild and lofty but its clear they are positioning for something They probably said too much at this point to roll it back So we will see

1:08:24 But I'm more and more intrigued by all sorts of odd claims about pre-industrial tech that has been buried. I've been getting into minor stuff like the old calcium carbide lamps, like literal minor stuff because they would go down in the mines with these helmets and they would have crushed up calcium carbide in them and then there would just be dripping water That would create a flame on their helmet and that's how they first had light down there in the mines. It's kind of mind blowing to see and of course, an open flame on your head in a mine underground is unsafe flammable gases and all that but as it technology I didn't know that could even work can it could be useful another contacts above ground couldn't

1:09:13 Just stuff like that. Claims that streetlights were ether-based in some places at sometimes, that they would draw energy down rather than employ a lamp lighter to go around and do it by hand. There's some gnarly stuff out there you never know what to believe and the past does seem like it was a lot weirder Have you seen that other thing where it's black and white footage of two ladies on the street wrapping a wire around the top of a fire hydrant, and using it essentially as a cell phone on the street? That's bizarre. Either way I don't know if Bendall himself is legit but I'd certainly be willing to do an interview and let YOU decide how to feel about it so... Let's put that out there

1:10:04 I keep saying this but the biggest problems we have our oil and money is to monopolies and a both are carried out by the same families in it really does get to be that simple at the end of the day. I'll even ignore money and say that if we can break the quarantine imposed around energy the cascade of positive benefits would make life so much more interesting, And what create so many self directed technologies and implementations that the energy portion of our budget. What basically go away i saw some crazy with magnets to just putting two high powered magnets that repel each other,

1:10:45 on either side of a metal bladed turbine can create perpetual motion that goes on forever. Magnets don't degrade and it can actually pump water from a well, and all sorts of other stuff I saw another thing recently about hempcrete, hemp being another victim of the quarantine. Not only could it replace plastic which would be huge but hempcrete can also be used to build houses much more cheaply and it's pest resistant or pest proof they say and also fireproof just imagine that alone Reducing building costs no more termites or bloated pest control industry and no more wood rot. No more house fires release house fires that burn everything down to the ground like any one of these technologies just blows my mind that,

1:11:39 It could be implemented and change a lot of people's lives but building codes in red tape regulations are to preserve the established industries not truly driven by safety. They do just enough to make the sale and make the claim that it is about safety believable but its about monopoly Alright, well I'm pretty far off the reservation with this now. But George was fun! I am happy to have made his acquaintance The tusk is interesting Makes me want to have a tusk I don't even think we talked about it but it's called Cosmic Tusk because when they did the analysis on the tusk itself They found pieces of meteorite in...the...ivory Which is weird

1:12:26 So many questions so few answers i'll be employed for a long time it seems also pretty interesting that steve jobs is widow. Seems to be involved in funding of free energy company where he is and raleigh north carolina, I don't know, a lot of things to follow up on. But in higher side news... ...I went on and about my nice new camera and then when i actually exported the last video with the last wrap-up that had this camera it didn't really look nearly as good see the platform that I host videos on independently is really expensive and I have to get these file sizes down as low as I can without destroying the quality

1:13:11 And it took me a couple of tries to work out. I think i got it now, you can literally be assessing me in real time. I won't know until I export this video but all signs point to me finding the sweet spot now for real don't tell my wife So as for the reviews of the last show Ian Davis doing his thing researching the dark technate I expected to get dinged a little bit on audio quality and even though he made some great points and highlighted some important details, it's the topic that getting a little oversaturated at this point. I understand that too It is the plan This is how things are going But its hard to talk about in new and interesting ways right? So hes rocking 4.6 Right about where I expected it to be And I will accept that

1:14:01 Today's show I would hope would be considered a little more fresh topic wise and also sound a lot better. So, I'm hoping we can get it back up to that 4.8 level. I was on a roll there for awhile and we'll get back there as for the meetup calendar let's do that thing we do Totally open and available to anyone who wants to meet more like-minded locals. Hiresidemeetups.com I'll probably use the calendar myself in August and see if we can't get a Meetup going here in Tampa, but We'll deal with that later Here's what we got

1:14:37 Okay, June 20th a new one. I don't think i've been able to call this one out yet so brace yourself it is in Cantrell Illinois It is a listeners 33rd birthday party they're doing the drum circle around a pond with a fire Camp out afterwards if you'd like Interesting the intergalactic birthday party check that out If you are in Illinois then the next day we have a Chicago, Illinois map room meetup You could hit both If you're that ambitious, Gilbert Arizona on June 27th at the Desert Monks Brewing Brewhouse and then June 28 LA at the Trails Cafe. That's a recurring one July 6 Northcott Point Auckland New Zealand at the North Coat Tavern

1:15:28 July twentieth oaks pennsylvania at the arnold family fund center and august eighth pullman washington at ricos public house in august sixteen that is the. Tech conference in albuquerque new mexico that i might attend All right, there we go. That is the show take care of you and yours stay curious as George said curious George of course and Enjoy life despite the best efforts of The Big Machine I've done my part your move catastrophic cycle critics hidden history hiders and engineers of the energy embargo Your fucking move see you sitting in traffic And you look so stuck no sense of adventure

1:16:18 Just a routine fuck They can diagnose depression But don't know why you're bored Mystery comes knocking but you don't answer the door No, there are lights in the sky Not found on any map Creatures deep in the forest That no ranger has tagged There are things in the ocean You won't see from the land Life's under no obligation to make sure you understand I'm told the truth is out there when you get past the lies It comes when you least expect it and it wears a disguise It'll tell you everything just for goof Can't take any pictures, won't have any proof

1:17:25 So I watch you live like you never wanted it A lost soul that's forgotten what really haunted is I didn't ask, but just let me say This is a horrible approach to seizing the day There are things you can know That you can even think No doctor has medicine Like the shaman's next drink

1:18:03 Sleep is never better than inside of the dream Who promised you anything would be as it seems I'm told the truth is out there when you get past the lies It comes when you least expect and it wears a disguise And it'll tell you everything, everything Can't take any pictures