Eric Dollard | Revealing Secret Sciences, Tesla Tech, & The Physics Fallacy

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats Hello, higher side chatters. How the heck are you? Drinking a little drink, smoking a little smoke and bracing for impact in sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood And today is the day we've all been waiting for Because we've been dancing around the idea of a big quarantine that seems to exist around certain sectors of science For quite some time yet We haven't truly penetrated what some of these things might be because the shadowy string

00:54 have bent nearly all aspects of modern society to their will and as a result these areas of study are far too off the radar for modern man. Although today's guest has lived deeply within those forbidden realms of study, having stumbled into it before the first grade and has widely been described as Tesla 2.0 His name is Eric Dollard and he's an electrical engineer who is known as a living legend in the field of electrical research. He is considered by many to be the most knowledgeable expert alive today on the true nature of electricity, author of landmark mathematical papers, symbolic representation of alternating electrical waves, and symbolic representation of the generalized electric wave

01:33 He's also the author of Condensed Intro to Tesla Transformers and Theory of Wireless Power. He is also the only person since Tesla's death to successfully build a magnifying transmitter, A man with many accomplishments and I'm going to work hard to hold my own! And I am very excited to have him here Eric Maman how are you? Oh I'm doing great thank you Yeah, thanks for taking the time. You have a very impressive resume and your life is quite interesting and really unique saga so to kind of get us started here can you give the people who might not be familiar with you some insight into your background and how you got into some of this suppressed knowledge?

02:09 Well, it's kind of hard just to jump into that but I've been working on this since I was six years old and my father and grandfathers were electrical workers before me so it was right there for me to avail myself too. Through my own experimental researches, my knowledge in electricity gradually started to deviate from the established knowledge of electricity until we're at the point where today Interesting, so yeah you were experimenting with electricity in grade school right? I mean you were coming into class and bringing equipment into class and getting up in front of the room and showing some of this stuff right? Yeah that was uh...in grammar school that was every year.

02:53 uh... there was like you know eric dollars day and then i would bring whatever apparatus i constructed a home to bring it to school to show the other students in them sometimes the uh... may curriculum of this would work out that the bully him the classroom with the atlantic brought up as my assistant man he would receive a shock in front of all the other students who made the laughingstock and that kind of people lead the bully Right on. So how did you get to be working with electricity in an unconventional way? How did you get out of the typical study of electricity and into some of these other realms that other people haven't gotten into

03:33 Well, again it's kind of complicated to explain but during my high school years I started receiving a lot of material support from the Radio Corporation of America transmitter site in Belitis California and this is the point in which I discovered a lot of these things that Tesla was working on not knowing about Tesla. I discovered these things myself people at RCA were lost to explain any of this So as I kept pursuing these areas, I started to find more and more that there was another type of electricity that we hadn't known about. And then I found out about nickel-etechscore, and then it became my life's aim after that to thoroughly investigate the other side of electricity

04:21 Interesting. So people get a good idea of what we're talking about, what are some of the practical applications of this new type of energy or how exactly does it work in comparison to what people are familiar with? Well now that's an even more difficult explanation! Basically the electricity as it exists today in the technological world is called electromagnetism But the electricity that Tesla is working with and I've been pursuing is more properly called magneto-dielectricity. It's the mirror image, so to speak of electromagnetism

05:00 And my main interest, because of RCA and what RCA was interested in having me do was to develop this in the area of communications. And come up with communication systems that worked for these particular type of waveforms with the hope that performance would supersede that of electromagnetism and enable the Radio Corporation of America the medium and short wave radio frequency transmissions, basically bite off the opposition that was coming from the satellite business. Ah, that makes sense! So let me ask you man are there any say energetic properties or benefits in terms of power with this alternative form electricity when compared to say our typical GE electricity?

05:52 Well, not necessarily because this society wants to use electricity and energy in an electromagnetic form but this is more of an organic type of situation so trying to express it in thermodynamic terms is very difficult. But it is interesting that this particular type of electricity tends to want to be self-sustaining That's interesting. Would you say it is more abundant or available than our typical channel through wires electricity? Actually, yes because the earth is charged with this We live inside of an extremely powerful electric field but being that its relatively uniform and in the way that its directed we can't necessarily experience it But this part of the process causes living things to grow Wow! That is news to me

06:44 Do you know of any, say biologists who have stumbled upon this electrical component to life? Or is it just completely untalked about. Well actually the science of electricity has been banned since the advent of Einstein and his followers so electricity is not allowed to be discussed in any way shape or form in any of the sciences Now that's something I do feel like I've noticed and we've talked about a little bit before I'm curious as to why. Do you think it might be because the technology that would come out of studying this would be in any kind of opposition to our capitalistic system? Well, right now we're not speaking in terms of technology, we're speaking in terms of a general understanding

07:30 So, you know if you attribute the process of life to be electrical that doesn't necessarily express a technological situation unless your using that electricity to create life for some kind of so called practical or whatever purpose. Ultimately the dimensions in capitalism and money and technology and energy are all these things we're accustomed too are really not part of this world that I'm talking about. Yeah, I find that aspect because i've heard you speak before that aspect of talking about physics and physicists really interesting because that seems to be kind of the false paradigm of learning how the world works and that seems to be the way they keep this knowledge about a new form electricity off-the-table would you say that's accurate?

08:22 Yeah, approximately so. It's been an ongoing process where this is going to be a central point in my next presentation of where did things go wrong and where did this restricted and misunderstanding condition come about? It has been a slow incremental process that can actually linked to the evolutionary process in general that the human species is undergoing. So as centuries progressed, everything started to become more and more defined in terms of gross matter and any type of spiritual or ethereal or similar types of situations gradually erased from the equation until now it's just hard physical substance and everything else denied its existence

09:15 That jives a lot with the things we talk about considering that there are people who are steering this ship and they seem to be steering it into a direction of devolution rather than evolution. If there were say physicists listening or people who have gone through the typical indoctrination of physics and they're listening to you and they're like what is this guy talking about a new form of electricity? You know, what do you say to physicists too to show them that they're buying into kind of a false paradigm or more of a religious viewpoint rather than a scientific one. Well, you can't really discuss the matter with them because there's a pathological response that comes about and then all discussion ends and it could even turn around where these people could become malevolent and try to damage your existence. And that has happened to you quite a bit from what I understand you've had your work destroyed and interfered with several times over the years correct?

10:13 Yeah, due to a number of varying factors the real estate office and their connivance is the principal source of my trouble. Another one is you know there's so-called establishment science and then there's also a very heavy racial element involved in that kind of negative spiritual force that works with that and just the general nature of America to destroy everything it comes in contact with. So there's multiple manifestations of the phenomena that ends up in the destruction of everything I try to put together until its reached a point where everything has been destroyed, and there is not much hope for recovering any of my facilities

11:02 That is a shame and I'm so sorry to hear that but it seems like kind of a textbook pattern for people who seem to be on the track of something that would be helpful to humanity or more gets to the true nature of our environment. But, its interesting you mention negative spiritual force. I was just talking to another guest about... It seems like Anywhere you look in history, it seems like with any cutting-edge science there seems to be a weird occult affiliation. Whether it's the Nazis and their obvious occult affiliation or NASA and the way they cryptically name things And then CERN also has done some strange performances and has a statue of Shiva It's odd! It's a little weird why typical scientists who should be materialist scientists also have this weird connection to the occult

11:50 I'm sure have you noticed that at all? Oh, extremely so in fact actually I wrote a whole paper on it called Wardenclyffe denied of why the The recent acquisition of the Wardenclyffe facility, or what's left of it by some historical society that Tesla's work would never be allowed to continue there. And I outlined all the various forces from my own personal experience that would prevent that from happening and of course its came to pass that none of that will be allowed to happen there I pretty much detailed it all there. It's not one of my more widely available papers, but I think I probably should make it so. It was written under extremely horrible circumstances of living in my car in the deadest part of the Nevada desert with about 8 degrees outside and a 30 mile an hour wind

12:45 So it was kind of an appropriate weather and living condition to go along with a presentation like that. Yeah, seems like a lot to deal with for people who might not be so familiar with your backstory as you've been doing all this cutting edge research and coming up with a lot of things in having labs building labs building high-tech equipment having it destroyed You've actually lived in your Corolla since 1987 is that right? Yes. Well, actually it's quite enjoyable living the Corolla. It really helped with my employment situation in Los Angeles is normally

13:28 However, be forced to charge $100 an hour for my work which even fairly prosperous companies have a difficult time paying. But the fact that I don't have all this cultural and sociological baggage which integrated usually amounts to about half of million to three quarter of million dollars that people have to boil their lives in...I don't have to charge hardly anything! So I can charge $30 an hour and everybody's happy. Yeah, you definitely have low overhead! And we mentioned kind of free energy a little bit and i know that everyone asks you about that... ...and I've heard you say in one of these talks that we should have more than enough energy on the planet just with the movement of the earth and that something I never considered and that sounds pretty interesting how would you harness that?

14:22 Well, you would have to establish some point of reference so that motion would manifest itself and that's the difficulty. That is something Tesla was striving for and electrically managed to achieve such a universal point of reference. That is how his telleric transmission system operated but I'm kind of in opposition to any free energy schemes, so to speak because with the energy gluttony that's increasing at a hyperbolic rate it would just burn the planet up. So looking at the situation from an engineering standpoint from constructing facilities and what is going on with public utility companies today and how they're configuring things is their solar collector technology

15:13 Semiconductor technology has reached a state of perfection where all reasonable energy needs can be met that way and then rather than heating the earth it would tend to result in a slight reduction temperature. Yeah, that seems like a win-win So that's really the only way to go the rest of this stuff You know in Tesla's day back backwards with the population of the earth and so-called civilization being isolated in relatively small areas, and the rate of population growth not having passed a hyperbolic knee. But it would be something to consider some type of energy system where you're extracting from ether let's say or movement of earth or any these types of things but now it is not feasible. It is bad idea

16:03 I gotcha, yeah because of the just the idea of giving people something with no limit they're just going to consume, consume waste waste waste. Well that's a very clear example that is the automobile in America a passenger car now masquerades as a pickup truck with six wheels of It'll just run to the extreme. There will be the noise and the gluttony, even if there's no pollution. The heat output from inefficiency and all energy ultimately ends up in a garbage can of ether as heat is not practical.

16:59 Yeah, that's an angle I never considered but that makes a lot of sense. The more important factor involved is food production because the agribusiness reality is actually it claims to be able to produce more food but the quality of the food is dropping and the damage it does to its surroundings is increasing meanwhile the human population is growing at hyperbolic rate So the curves are not orienting themselves in a direction in the future that looks very promising for mankind. are like taking steps backwards, right? I mean these apparently they're making some changes that are more expensive and are worse for the energy grid. Can you explain that a little bit? Yeah it's a very perplexing situation and you know lot of the higher-ups want me to analyze this is uh... The whole electrical system in this country seems to be going retrograde And its going from polyphase normally three phase situation

18:09 into three independent single phase systems. which is very unsafe because you can't get ground protection, ground fault protection. It leads to harmonics and interference and creates this basic sea of electromagnetic pollution that makes my work very difficult because there's all this interference to all of my antennas and ground systems and what have you. I have to build special rooms and isolation transformers to block this stuff off. I am not clear

18:49 what's going on but from observing utility companies in action, it looks like we have a situation like the railroad locomotive with massive number of cars behind it lowering down the Tehachapi Pass into the city town of Mojave and its going faster and faster you climb up forward to find out what is going on with the engineer there's nobody at the controls. That's what is going on right now. So for example, here is a substation in the place where I habitate

19:25 And it has a capacitor bank in it. So I noticed the capacitor bank, which is quite large for their location and the need for that type of reactive power in the power lines was being taken down so I went and talked to the guy there and he told me they're putting in a bigger one And I go, well it doesn't make any sense. He goes that's what they want a bigger one and they need more reactive power for this and that but the reactive power wasn't needed at that point in the system was needed 30 miles away none of it made any sense so I knew what was going to happen

20:05 I came back a couple of months later and the bigger capacitor bank had been installed, increased from 2 megavolt amperes reactive to 6 megavolt amperes reactive. And the circuit breaker was remaining open so At any rate, I was told by one of the switchboard operators at a generating station that my assertion was right. They closed the circuit breaker on the thing and an intense surge of reactive power tripped all the breakers and knocked the grid down in that area so they just left the thing turned off but then I go well if the capacitor bank is too big

20:45 Why not remove the fuses on the individual capacitors and return it to the original size, uh, to cover your rear end that you screwed up? And nobody thought of that until finally I guess that idea had leaked somewhere into the operating office. And they turned around and did that but I think that is a good story about where we're at in electrical engineering world today Yeah, that's a great example. Just seems like the blind leading the blind even the experts don't seem to be very educated on electricity. Yeah and-and... The way that it takes a decidedly wrong turn Like converting from Delta to Y in the three phase power system Almost makes it seem conspiratorial Right yeah It's more vulnerable than EMP apparently

21:37 It's very vulnerable. It makes the customer wide open to the EMP, for example in a normal system. Let's get a little background on it. There is device electrical system called the transformer. Everybody has heard of word transformer but they don't have clue what it means. They might be able identify as an object hanging on utility pole. The transformer has two very specific functions One is to take the intense rate of magnetic variation, which is defined as a high voltage and wind it down to low rate of magnetic variation which is called the low voltage. Which makes it more manageable for the customer

22:21 In the process of doing this, the transformer exhibits what's called an impedance. So if there is a catastrophe on the low side, the impedance of the transformer will buffer the amount of power that will flow into the catastrophe so you don't end up with a nuclear holocaust in your living room because space heaters short it out The third aspect that the transformer has, it's important in transmission is it metallically separates the high voltage primary system from the low voltage secondary system. So that way all the lightning transients, you know fault current Related surges and imbalances and all these things don't end up in the customers Electrical system well this delta on the Y conversion of the nation's power systems Puts a bypass wire over the transformer so to explain this

23:21 In another way, when you go into your garage or laundry room or whatever and there's the metal case of your washing machine which is connected to so-called ground. I think that's something everyone kind of understands. So when you lean on the washing machine and you're in contact with it You are in contact with this grounding system, which involves a ground rod that doesn't offer much electrical conductivity to the ground. It's more there as a show than anything else unless you're an assault marsh.

23:57 So, the neutral wire of the power system which is the grounded wire connects to all the houses and everybody's washing machines and all the wires overhead on this secondary. The 110 220 and all that they're all metallically connected through the secondary transformer so when you put your hand on the washing machine you are in contact with that metallic system in the environment of that size, which is usually limited to maybe one or two blocks. Sometimes maybe just one or two houses so whatever radio waves are nuclear impulses or lightning surges or whatever there may be The surface area so to speak of that neighborhood electrical system is limited and it can't really gravitate

24:51 grab much of it. Now when you bypass the transformer electrostatically, now when you put your hand on the washing machine, you are in contact with the entire metallic extent of the electrical system of the entire town as fed by the substation." Wow yeah that sounds way worse than Okay, so now you've got a situation where if there's a lightning discharge or something that initiates the traveling wave on the high side. Well that traveling wave now is going to flow right through the jumper on the transformer and also take part in energizing with the transient it's going to energize the secondary system. So you're starting to get hooked up to big antenna

25:41 And then at the substation, through the substation grounding system, the primary and secondaries are connected together again. So metallically with the modern electrical system when you put your hand on the washing machine you are in metallic contact with the entire grid Wow. Then that traveling wave just distributes itself through the entire power system and is no longer reflected or blocked at the transformer banks. Originally in engineering, you always used a delta Y bank to short that part out internally and to prevent it from traveling between the primary, secondary of the power system but now all the transformers are YY connected with the jumper

26:44 So the whole thing has just become one big giant antenna. Wow, that makes perfect sense. I mean you explained it so well but...I guess they're taking these smaller closed networks and just integrating them together which obviously increases vulnerability and if it's more expensive for them to do this this really doesn't make sense and like you said if you wanted to get conspiratorial you'd have to wonder if someone was trying to set up some type of false flag situation this is kind of the groundwork they would lay to do that right? Yeah, I mean it really looks that way. There's another complication too is that the iron in the transformers and the motors and the waveforms of the rectifiers like your power supplies for your electronics and all that generate harmonics

27:38 Originally, the loads were mostly motors and light bulbs which did not generate an excessive quantity of harmonics. But today the loads are principally rectifiers and solid-state devices to which you're almost totally harmonic in their power flow So, when you start to configure an electrical system in a Y rather than Delta configuration the third harmonic is basically compounded instead of neutralized. So now there's two frequencies flowing in the power system. One is 60 cycles a second and the other one is 180 cycles a second. The 180 cycle, or second wave flows in the same mode that the nuclear EMP or radio interference does so the whole power system is becoming a giant antenna

28:29 radiating a rough 180 cycle second waveform with harmonics going all the way up to 9,000 cycles per second. So everything is immersed in this large buzz That's another complication with this type of power configuration. Now looking at it from the cost standpoint and overall engineering reality, one of the first places I've seen this conversion come about was in the city of Santa Barbara Southern California Edison has a 16.5 kilovolt distribution system, which is delta connected. In other words there's three wires for three phases and all the transformers are connected in a closed loop and it's about the highest voltage in the 15 kV class at

29:18 pushes it a little over, but at any rate because the line voltage to ground is the square root of three times the line-to-line. You can still use 15 kV line hardware—the higher voltage of 16.5 rather than let's say 4.8 or whatever allows for less copper so it's a very economical system. So I noticed All of a sudden, the power company is going through great expense to put up a fourth wire. And what they're doing is they are doing a retrograde Y connection on the electrical system in the city of Santa Barbara which is causing them to have to replace all the transformers

30:04 From 16.5 KV to 9.6 kV and connecting them to this neutral Conductor which is heavy and expensive in the transformers are expensive of course cost them many millions of dollars to do this And it really makes you wonder, well why? What's the point in doing this?" You see no benefit at all. Well rather than a benefit it causes all kinds of problems and is very dangerous to the customer because accordingly all the transformers are bypassed not that they necessarily have to be in a YY connection but they are bypassed." Man...

30:44 So here's something like $50 million has been spent to build a dangerous record-grade power system, and you really have to wonder what is the reasoning behind this. It almost seems psychotic. So either we're dealing with a certain type of mass psychosis in the utility business, or we're dealing with some kind of nefarious force that wants this to come about for a specific reason, for combinations thereof So that is definitely fascinating and insightful, and something to look out for in the future if we have a situation like that. We now have a little bit of insight to know that there might be something fishy going on And I wanted to talk about your career in working with this stuff Like you've said, you've had several labs destroyed You're working or feared with many times over the years Do you think this has been a concerted effort by an organized group? Or obviously not random instances for you

31:45 Well, when you're dealing with the element of the real estate office that's a localized phenomenon even though they are all the same kind of predatory species. in a conspiratorial, cooperative effort against my work. It's just I have no recourse to protect myself and there is usually a lot of property involved in these large installations and a lot of valuable equipment so it's natural to try to connive the paperwork or whatever and take the property away from me and loot the installation." So that's basically one of the principal elements. There is an organized group that is specifically organized against my research, it's kind of a cult group I haven't been able to track all the way to its source but it does operate under the name of Commonweal in Buenos Aires

32:42 And they have basically told me to my face through their operatives that they are opposed to my research and they're going to do everything to stop it. They go so far as to even interfere with my government contacts, which are usually very supportive in all this kind of stuff. There is no government suppression going on in my work that's detectable whatsoever other than when the government is forced by this nefarious power to start doing things to screw me up. And I've had people in the Coast Guard, who I was consulting for at an installation tell me that they were visited by Commonwealth and they were told that they should not be do business with me and they managed to get it up to their command and get it where I was finally banned from the station

33:35 to the detriment of the Coast Guard. thorn in your paw. Commonweal is one floating body of a broader thing that I haven't been able to put my finger on, it's the same group that got me out of the Integratron and destroyed what I had managed to duplicate of Van Tassel's work they were as well as the real estate connivers involved in the loss of my landers facility through some kind of background method but you know i can't hire the investigators or whatever uh... to follow up on this stuff but uh... they did start a major fire on my property and um... then tried to claim that you know that i was doing this in that and there was a terrorist and all these things are probably actually coming here by station from me once i'm pretty sure they're the ones who ended up with it well and may have our water their people in the white house as a president now that's the scariest thing of all

34:38 Wow, yeah I would say it'd have to be pretty powerful because I think to keep people away from this kind of stuff you have to incorporate the education system fields of science. No one has stumbled along this electricity stuff since Nikola Tesla and now you're working on it To keep it under wraps there would have to a large amount energy that went into that no? Yes and uh... And I've managed too you know, through my own ways determined that the principal source of funding for this is from the Rockefellers.

35:15 So that tells you right there what's going on. These are the people that create the wars, these are the people who stop the wars, these are the people who direct the course of invention, and these are the people that lay the educational curriculum which is pretty much agreed upon by everybody now as basically just a process to produce mental retardation and not much more So it's a widespread thing. It has a spiritual element to it, there are things that it worships and whatever...it kind of can be regarded as a type of neo-paganism

35:55 And it seems to strive for some kind of racial condition which is really hard to analyze. I mean, these things are all beyond what I'm supposed to be dealing with as an electrical engineer." and have so many things on their plate, it's interesting that they would put so much attention into this field over such a long period of time. What do you think the threat is to their security or to their wealth for people to learn about this stuff in school as if they'd learned about anything else?

36:31 Well, I mean we're starting to get into speculation. And that's something as a science type person I don't want to take this much farther. Alls I can do is give my observations and then you can take it from there. Well, I have heard you say also another sad element to your work being destroyed is that a lot of this equipment and a lot of the tools that you've used aren't even made anymore so it's even harder to rebuild. Is that true? Yeah it's an impossible situation. It has me quite depressed particularly now that we're in my 60s. I worked for 20 years in Los Angeles half time in the surplus business together with that inventory at Landers

37:12 And there's two generations before me. There was George Van Tassel and Walter J. Duroche, who was the property owner that had built it to this level. These surplus places in Los Angeles don't exist anymore! The other thing is I can't go back to RCA and get another carload of insulators. I can't go to Bell Telephone and get another rack of repeater coils It's not that there is no availability. And then on top of that, there is a fanaticism amongst the Orientals with any of this stuff that relates to Western electric or Bell telephone or you know the very components I need for my signal research in this

37:51 A telework waveform study and all that type of stuff have driven the prices up a thousand to five thousand percent over what would be standard for some kind of surplus or take apart item. So there's really no way for me to ever put back together what I had at Landers. The parts inventory alone was massive, I had complete manufacturing capabilities. I could produce one piece of Navy or Bell telephone equipment to all the standards that organization to the point that you couldn't tell that I built it and every four months I could produce one finished unit." Wow!

38:33 I had billions of resistors and capacitors and transistors and tubes all to military or bell telephone specifications. I had acres and acres of poles, wire racks and racks of equipment. I think the video that somebody took there just before the place got looted is available now on the internet and uh... for sale in order to keep paying the rent here it's kind of not the way i've worked in the past but then you know I've got a keep my facility going so its for sale. On that Eric P. Dollard website there's a lot of pictures of the projects that we're working on presently and the pictures of the Landers installation some of them are there, the person who took the pictures

39:21 has decided to withhold them from the public and join forces with the people right now presently that are trying to disrupt my work, which seems to be it's never going away. So my identity has been stolen. My name is put on the internet claiming me you know to be a meth addict and charlatan There seems to be nothing I can do about it, and if you tracked it down you would find out that the sources that are empowering these people to do this stuff would be the same people who were behind-the-scenes in destruction of landers and loss of RCA facility.

40:03 Hmm, man I feel for you on this. It's very a very sad situation Do you think that given that we've mentioned that it's been since Nikola Tesla That someone else has really dived into electricity the way you have do you think there are some parallels and both? Stories in the way that the work has been treated Well, you can't just put everything on Nikola Tesla. This has been going on for a long time. So Galileo and all these people they all went through the same thing so the organization that existed in their time is kind of akin to what I'm talking about now, was of course the Catholic Church and its various nefarious organizations like this so-called Opus Dei which is Latin for The Work Of God. Well it's actually in English observing how they behaved the dirty work of god So this is just something that intrinsic to human species

41:04 whether there's a technology involved or not. So, you know Nikola Tesla got a good jolt of it but then so did a lot of other people. So it's not so much when looking all the way back into antiquity, even Pythagoras got it... It's not the technology as much is that there's an understanding That's not that that's not desired to exist if you see what I mean Absolutely, absolutely And that's kind of what I've been so curious about what I've been trying to wrap my head around and racking My brain about is the why is is the what is so dangerous? Well. That's why we wrapped it up You know into the comical statement of why the y connected power system. Why do I? Right there's tricks in language every step of the way yeah man

41:57 Man, so I have heard you say also there's a lot of misinformation out there about Tesla. Could you could you clear that up? It's all misinformation! It's either deliberate misinformation or it's ignorant people spouting their conception of what Tesla did but that's... What Tesla did is occult knowledge he wasn't in the communicating it So you can't make claims that Tesla said this or did that unless he actually said it, or that you can build what he did.

42:36 Basically, you know I can't operate like that because of an engineer and I have to produce things at work. And if they don't work, I don't get paid." Right so elements of the disinformation would you say that it's all these stories about death rays and that kind of stuff? Is that a distraction from people... Oh no Tesla's death ray is an actual engineerable device! It's not really that difficult to understand well the information on it has finally come out but It's not something that the mainstream physicists or whatever are going to be interested in, because to them and their understanding it can't work. Because Tesla was operating at a whole different philosophical base and experimental base than these people so even though a lot of Tesla stuff is easy to produce in their mind its just not real So they're not gonna go that route

43:33 Do you think there were periods in the past perhaps even before Tesla maybe ancient Egypt where electricity was harnessed more properly? Well, I don't know if they had an interest in that type of technology back then. So there might be something else that was harnessed There are some strange hieroglyphic pictures of them holding what looks like some kind of light bulb, but it doesn't seem to have connections with the way we think about electricity. So I was a bit curious... Yeah well the thing is you know were dealing with a lot of speculation I think that is the most important thing.

44:22 I'm kind of stuck in a situation now where this next phase that i'm going to be working on, and my research heavily involves music and Pythagorean's understanding of these things which goes back to the ancient Egyptians. How did these people use sound to levitate rocks? And do all these types of things when I will be doing a presentation on this in the next couple of weeks.

45:00 into a theoretical study that, you know, a book comes out afterwards and it takes about two years to put that book together. I'm still only one-third into the book on the last presentation and 2 thirds of the way through the book on the previous presentation so I am kind of loading myself up pretty heavy here Hmm that's so interesting that you're getting into this science of music and this Pythagorean stuff because just recently we talked about a Russian scientist who is somewhat marginalized or at least he maybe he was quiet about some of his fringe investigations but this Russian scientists I've used Google Translator to try to translate some of it but, you know, some of it comes out like gobbledygook. But he talks about the eight octaves and goes into the science

45:48 Basically what you're talking about, using anti-gravity properties or something like that. It's definitely over my head but there seems to be not only electricity but the secret science of music thats been suppressed and hidden too Oh exactly! If not more so than electricity So I've loved... To me music and electricity have always been the same thing Interesting In the early days when I was involved with RECA in the Navy I was responsible for the programming and all the rest of it.

46:31 The people that I gathered around me, there was a guy who had a master's degree in music and I was already partially into so-called classical music. And he told me you need to start getting into Bach. He goes with your mind, you need to start listening to Bach. So I started getting into the music of Bach and his contemporaries and they got me so hooked that I did an associate's degree study of music in college and listen to Bach several hours every day, which I still do. And then I saw immediately that there's a concrete connection between the music of Bach and polyphase power systems, like we've just been talking about with the Delta Y connections and what have you. And it has always been interest of mine to connect polyphase power with polyphonic music which I've actually managed to do in my more recent mathematical studies in what is called Versa algebra

47:29 So now, with the Pythagorean deal and all that I'm taking that to the next level now. And uh...I did write a paper on that. Wow! Oh, I forget what it was called? It was a two-part paper. It's called The Camp David Antenna and then it was Symbolic Operators from Stymus to Pythagoras Back in Time And those two papers kind of laid the groundwork for where I'm going on this and it's gonna be the basis for my next presentation. So, music and electricity are gonna be connected very closely together in this next presentation

48:07 Wow, that is so interesting. Now you're looking into these natural systems that seem to be suppressed has what you learned over the years given you any added insight into the nature of reality or how this earth and its atmosphere as a system works? Well, I don't know exactly what you mean by works. But again, I'm not one to extrapolate too far over the edge either. Right well i guess i'm trying to for the audience get an understanding of these realms that you're looking into what some other practical applications for society could be how could they be engineered in a technological sense?

48:46 Well, that's the very situation that I'm trying to avoid and Pythagoras was adamantly opposed to as well as even Plato. To convert things into technology So when you say convert things into technology You're talking about producing something that becomes a mechanism for capitalism. Well, I have no interest in any of that right? Okay so music the interest music lies in That people like to listen to it well classical music is virtually Extinct right if you're a classical musician here in the welfare line here in the food stamp office Mm-hmm

49:29 So basically, in terms of modern science... Society and it's you know aims and desires what I'm working on is this of absolutely no interest whatsoever So, I don't know how to say Technology other than you know, I can build better audio amplifiers Or maybe I'll develop a more powerful musical scale Right or maybe you know lift rocks or whatever with music but that's not something. I'm going to go around and advertise Right. You know, nor would I want the wrong people to start implementing that even though their belief system is utterly opposed to it so... So I'm not looking in terms of technology Fair point The technology is a recent process or phenomena The technology wasn't an all-encompassing thing for most human existence on this earth

50:27 Well, you know like you could use the music knowledge ultimately. You could possibly use it to lift stones What could you use the electric knowledge for? Well in this case the practical end of it is my seismic advanced warning system So that's that's the one thing That uh... That is the practical aspect of all this otherwise I mean most of this stuff is for you know observing and studying nature It's a philosophical situation And society is not interested in these things anymore for the most part, but there is a certain percentage it is. Otherwise you wouldn't be interviewing me or people wouldn't be supporting my work to the extent they are

51:11 Yeah, I've had you requested several times and i've gone through a lot of the material that I could find. And...I do think it's really interesting It's definitely a bit over my head but it has to be because this stuff is totally left out of all education and you really have to dig and have like an internal drive like you do To really get into at this depth But I have heard you talk a little bit about how electricity works in the ionosphere and in space, which is kind of not something we learned in school. How does electricity work like an outer space or with the ionosphere?

51:50 Well, it's... you're kind of putting a pretty broad question before me. Fair! Okay well we're told that space is a vacuum from what I hear from your work everything outside of the ionosphere is a conductor correct? Yeah but a very verified conductor So you might only have one or two molecules residing in a cubic centimeter of space, but then there's a lot of cubic centimeters of space. And the voltages are extremely high! So Tesla had determined that the electrostatic potential of the sun was 20 billion volts positive

52:30 Now that's a lot of electrostatic force. And then, you know there is a lot of surface area on that force and these atoms and molecules and ions that might only be one per cubic centimeter when you start adding up the volume at a given radius from the sun how much electrification as your talking about astronomical electrical forces Now the ionosphere is a terminus for that, whatever its surface area can receive. And then there's this one tiny thin little gap that surrounds the surface of the Earth, and that's the atmosphere. And this is an electrostatic condenser, and we are living in this electrostatic condenser with the electrical environment of the interior of the Earth and the electrical environment from the exterior of the earth beyond the ionosphere so it's a very concentrated electrical environment because its uniform and its not varying with respect to time at a very rapid rate, is not sensible to us

53:34 Right. See, yeah I think this is super interesting This is kind of what I meant by the nature of reality or at least some of the systems that make up The place we live and you've mentioned the Sun I've heard you talk about the sun in a far different way than I was taught in school Can you tell us about it? There's apparently no fusion going on in the Sun Yeah, that's actually generally understood. When I studied this stuff at Sonoma State along with my RCA background it was understood that the process of energy generation in the sun is not understood The nuclear so-called nuclear phenomenon only occur in the disruptive discharges around sunspots when you get sudden bursts of ultraviolet and x rays and other things that are attendant to a nuclear reaction

54:20 But in general, the origin of the energy and the sun is not known and never will be known. It's unknowable. And it's not necessarily energy to start with that comes out you know in this apparent fact, it's not absolutely determined but I'm convinced of it that you cannot see direct light in outer space, you cannot see the light of stars, you can't see the light of the sun. Light only comes into being when physical matter is involved And this primary force strikes the physical matter and then you see light. Like, you can't see light passing from a light bulb to the page of paper that you're reading on your table! You can only see the light on the paper. You can't see it in space if you see what I mean

55:04 Yeah, I definitely do. And I think that's really interesting something that really...I haven't heard a lot of people talk about at all but why would you be able to see light in the vacuum of space? We hear about people who go into the holographic reality theory and all this stuff but the premise is always based on the idea that you need an interaction between light and matter so in outer space why would you see the Sun It appears from the information I've gathered that the sun does not initially put out light. So we can look at a light bulb and see light

55:41 But if you look at the sun in outer space, for ever-protective measures, even if there is no light it will still damage your eyes apparently. I have no personal experience on this but judging from the statements that were made by the original people that went out there before the whole situation got kind of covered up... You're not supposed to look in that direction but you can't see So the sun's putting out something else. So this opens up the whole question, which will cause any astronomer to go into violent convulsions—I've witnessed it—that this whole Einsteinian endearment that if you have a star one light-year away it will take one year for the light to reach the Earth... well, with

56:31 If the star is transmitting, it's not light then why should there be such a propagation velocity? The propagation velocity would be the time it takes for the light that's produced on Earth by the impact of the star. In this case we could use the sun because there's more light. That would be limited to that particular velocity where Whatever you want to call it, induction might be a good word coming from the Sun may not have any propagation delay whatsoever. That's so interesting and so contradictory to at least our typical layman's understanding of space and of light in the Sun I've heard you mention the sun most likely is hollow right? Yeah, and all these spherical objects in free space would pretty much have to be hollow Oh! The Earth as well

57:27 Yeah. That's fascinating and that makes sense to me In fact, the responses on my instruments at Landers with this super seismograph I had there that was one billion times more sensitive than the average seismograph and all the teller electrical receiving equipment whatever would indicate that Earth is hollow because If it wasn't hollow, you couldn't get a sustained sinusoidal waveform. But the Earth rings like a bell! Wow... When you get a big blast earthquake like in Indonesia or Japan I've watched it on my instruments The Earth rings like a bell for hours but the pitch is of an extremely low frequency where one cycle might take two to three minutes

58:16 This was how Tesla was talking about, you know that through resonance he could cause the Earth to fly to pieces just by a simple one horsepower oscillator because every horsepower over every cycle adds. And if you do it at that frequency, then they compound on each other and after a course of several days the energy is all accumulated to phenomenal value. And being that its tuned to the frequency of the earth, it would cause a lot of stress just like using an audio tone to break a wine glass Wow, the initial power is actually small that the power is defined as the rate of energy flow So what's going on? Is you have an oscillator and it's delivering a small pound of power Over a period of time now as that period time gets longer longer You know each little unit of power or energy becomes additive until eventually. You know It's it's the same thing with the car battery. You can take a car battery

59:19 you can do this with impunity. Draw out of the car battery at a slow rate, you know maybe one ampere over period of 15 minutes it would take to charge inductance coil like that with secondary high side of generating station transformer and You can put your hands across That cannot feel anything. But if you break the current all The energy of that magnetic field comes out at once and I will electrocute you totally dead

1:00:04 You see kind of see how I'm getting at how times involved here. Yeah, so that 12 volts If you if you use a vacuum breaker And you break the current flow that that battery is putting into those windings of the substation transformer The voltage developed by the winding in this substation transformer will be so high they will flash over the bushing which is rated for about one and A half million volts it'll just jump right over it Wow Wow, it can be scary that something so simple could cause such damage. Well this is what Tesla showed with his resonance phenomena Is that the continuous applications of small quantities of power Can develop into massive quantities of energy and that's what he accomplished at Colorado Springs Mm-hmm yeah just compounds right compounded until eventually

1:00:55 it's quite likely that the Earth's own energy entered into the situation, and that is what enabled him to produce a fountain of electricity there. Because according to calculations, the fountain of electricity described by his switchboard operator greatly exceeded any summation of energy that he could have put, you know into the earth or it's an interesting situation and we'll never know the truth of the matter because that experiment hasn't been duplicated and possibly cannot be because people don't have that knowledge. Man, I find this so interesting because the basic understanding of everything seems to be just fundamentally wrong. It seems like electricity plays such a bigger role in the Earth's energy, the Sun's energy how things work but we are just kind of taken into this direction of it's combustion its fusion its heat and light but no one ever mentions the electrical component

1:01:54 Yeah, even though from the Maxwellian standpoint heat and light is electricity. Right that's what I'm getting out of this conversation that it seems to be fundamentally electric also. You see lightning? That has light! Well from the standpoint of J.J Thompson even matter itself is only an aggregation of electrical forces. And this fits in well with the way that great philosophers of antiquity thought. It's in accord with the understanding that humans have had for millennia. And then all of a sudden we're told that all that is wrong, and that the sun is a big nuclear bomb in the sky and everything is thermodynamic and it's going to die and burn out and you know, the universe is going to disappear or even told that the universe has finite boundaries in time and space! You know there's a brick wall at the end of the universe these people are so bold

1:02:50 as to put those kind of attitudes forth when that basically is in contradiction to the very definition of the word universe, which has to encompass everything and it has to be infinite in both directions. Small to large." Man! Well this has just been super fascinating and it's about that time we start wrapping it up I believe like you mentioned about the fundraiser This is currently...this is an Indiegogo campaign correct? Right And how long does it run for? From my understanding, it's two months. Okay and it is underway right now so people who are listening or fascinated by this conversation can go in and pitch-in a little bit for you Well that's what we're hoping so we can kind of secure our operation here make it more functional and complete things that we set out to do by the end of the year Perfect! So if they just search Eric Dollard on Indiegogo will come up

1:03:50 Well, not Eric Dollard. If you want to see the people that are defaming me then you can go to ericdollard.com if you want to see what's really going on you have to go to erictdollard.com Okay yeah and this is something I experienced myself and the listeners should know that the campaign against you is using that ericdollard.com website and I think that you know this is pretty consistent with people who are on the right track to be defamed and to Be blasted like this so if people shouldn't find it to be that out of the ordinary But that is kind of what's happening in clear. The air Eric P dollard would be your website. That's

1:04:31 That's correct. Perfect. Yeah, and there is a... I put heavy emphasis on photographs of things so there are literally thousands of photographs of the various things that I'm involved with that some people might find quite fascinating even just the beauty of nature that i live in actually seems to be one of the things people are most interested in as though you know what does it look like where we're going to forest and then I've uncovered some of this Bell telephone installations that are still intact and work, take hundreds of pictures of details. None of this stuff can be seen anywhere anymore. It's the last of its existence and then pretty detailed photographic record of the process of us constructing these several mile long antenna structures to use for telluric work.

1:05:22 From what I understand also from hearing your previous interviews, of course your books are available at a couple different places but if they buy them at a specific place you get the most benefit right? Yeah, a lot of these things are kind of abstract to me so I don't know how to answer that exactly but I do know that the ericpdollard.com is set up to be the way to go about this where it benefits the situation and you have the broadest access to my material. Okay, because you know you do have a couple of people working with you that are kind of handling your digital footprint and you're kind of out there in the woods kind of disconnected from that. Yeah, it's abstract I don't...I have no internet! I never see any of that. Gotcha all right well

1:06:12 Eric this has been awesome. You've definitely thoroughly blown my mind more than a couple of times Definitely, a lot of things I'm gonna have to go back and re-listened to again and try to get a better understanding for but thanks again you know? I'm sorry it has been such a rough road. I really empathize with you best of luck on your current projects man take care yourself out there Okay well you too thank you very much! You got it okay Whoop, there it is party people. It seems to me that Eric might have just blown more minds than the US military and even though so much of that was obviously over my head I think there were a lot of really really interesting nuggets to take away from this show A lot of pieces that fit into the big puzzle and jive with things that a lot of other researchers talk about

1:06:56 Of course, as we discussed at the end there's a lot of negative stuff out there on the internet about Eric. Obviously this entire website at the domain ericdollard.com is dedicated to blasting him and sure you can look at that but you have to expect someone in this position to be constantly attacked and harassed and their character under constant bombardment it's not really a surprise to me Yet I can't think of any other guests I've interviewed where a domain of their first and last name is just a slander site. Except maybe Jordan Maxwell, but he sold that stuff. So I feel like this is a real typical style of distraction from the information he presents

1:07:37 They're attacking the guy, not the information. And you just have to listen to him and assess if he sounds like he's crazy or knows what he is talking about I think if he was just making stuff up, I'd be pretty impressed with how well he can pull that off Definitely not my easiest interview but also very valuable to me I would say Very out there insights into the sun and hollow earth The science of electricity and music, it all got me going. And then of course in the plus show we also talk about Eric's problems with the current working model for measuring light, Eric's problems with the Big Bang, the science behind his earthquake detection prediction system, the algebraic four quadrant mathematics he developed, ley lines and energy nodes that have

1:08:20 Charges and qualities that seem almost paranormal, the sciences that the Nazis were working on. More about hollow planets and music and the healing properties of it And Eric also adds himself to a long list of guests saying that The waves and signals in the air are very bad for human health All these things more make it really one of my favorite episodes I just think it's pretty different And we all know that's the THC sweet spot. So big thanks again to Eric and his people who helped make it happen, believe it or not a guy who lives in his car... It's tough to get him on a landline but we did it! So consider donating to him because I don't think he's a master defrauder He barely even has the information for his own fundraiser. He's just a mad scientist out in the woods trying to do mad science and I don't say that disparagingly

1:09:10 I'm just saying it didn't seem to me like his whole spiel was an elaborate setup for a phony fundraiser or an advertisement to buy his books. And we've all heard people like that, and i think you'd really have to stretch to make a case that Eric's playing that game." So be sure to check out erikpdollard.com for that. Also, if we in the states fall victim to any kind of widespread EMP attack on the energy grid which is a hype meme that has been out there I think Erik did a great job describing the setup and with so many pots that seem to be boiling right now it's just another thing to juggle and what can you do really?