Dr. Tom Cowan | Natural Health, Water, & Sorcery As Modern Medicine

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00:50 Well, it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. From the Sunshine State I'm Greg Carlwood Meaning the vast majority of people put their full trust in the best treatments available through conventional Western medicine across the board and by their outcomes rank worse than North Korea, Thailand Venezuela Somalia Yemen Iran and Saudi Arabia by a lot So how is this arrogance earned, this attitude that the orthodoxy could never be wrong and this social stigma levied against anything we might call alternative? The extreme judgment of taking any unconventional health path from unvaccinated kids to treating cancer without radiation seems largely based on momentum and marketing more than any actual success rate.

01:46 If you ask me, we should be screaming out for new and better models and remain open-minded to any new paradigm of health that maintains logical consistency... ...and seem simpatico with the natural systems of the reality that were a part of. Which is why today's guest is Dr. Tom Cowan, he's one of the most popular naturopathic doctors with a holistic approach on this island earth He has worked as a general practitioner for almost 40 years helping and treating thousands of patients largely by asking them to stop poisoning themselves with bad food and toxic medications He was a founding board member of the Weston A. Price Foundation and formerly served as the vice president, and he is the author of several important books including Human Heart Cosmic Heart – A Doctor's Quest to Understand Treat & Prevent Cardiovascular Disease Cancer in The New Biology of Water Why The War on Cancer Has Failed And What That Means for More Effective Prevention and Treatment

02:38 Vaccines, Autoimmunity and the Changing Nature of Childhood Illness. And several books co-authored with Sally Fallon Morell as well including The Truth About Contagion Exposing Theories of How Disease Spreads The Nourishing Traditions Book Of Baby & Child Care and The Fourfold Path To Healing Working With The Laws Of Nutrition Therapeutics Movement and Meditation in the Art of Medicine You can now find a wide range of better than just organic products from kumquat marmalade to probiotic hot sauce at drcowensgarden.com and he's the founder of the New Biology Clinic where you can get health consultations and holistic wellness support from a wide range of experts operating outside The Rockefeller Medicine System

03:18 I've been mentioning doctor cowan's work around here for at least the last six years and it's a real pleasure to finally have him here. The virus myth eviscerator holistic health educator and dogma fighting doctor dr tom cowan welcome to the higher side. Hi, clarification i am not a naturopathic doctor. I knew there might be some issues with the language there it's hard to find the right language what what was the language you use? I mean my training officially is i'm a medical doctor just like every other md but, i'm not sure perfect doctors a specific training which i never had. Fair i know you have conventional training from duke but i don't know if that does justice to your position with the other people about the same training

04:07 Right. Well, I clearly have different opinions but as far as a formal designation, I was an MD. I mean, I still am. I graduated from Michigan State Medical School and did a family practice residency Fair. It is tricky because even the word alternative I don't like because the Rockefeller medicine system should be the alternative so it is tricky language for me when these things happen but, I've been a fan of yours for a long time and first heard you deconstructing the idea of contagious viruses right around the beginning of COVID with the viral dolphin analogy clip

04:49 And it got me asking those questions for the first time and i've interviewed doctor jerald pollack about the fourth phase of water than i learned about your book cancer in the new biology of water, i then listen to some rudolph steiner lectures about the heart not being apartment that i learn you have the book human heart cosmic art. So in several instances in like a synchro mystic way i would learn about something and then find that u already had the best book out there that cover that position so I've just been really impressed with so many of your perspectives and to kind of get started here. Why do you think there is such mainstream resistance to the idea that our bodies can help themselves we know if we get a cut or scrape, the body will heal it because it's obvious we observe that but when it comes to the inside so many people think we need a couple dozen shots and pills for everything in any discomfort or symptom requires an intervention from medical expert. We don't apply the same logic to the inside of the outside

05:49 One of the things that's interesting to me is from my perspective now, it's really I think the word is surprising and perplexing why when we were in medical school we being me and the other you know medical students. We didn't ask certain questions because the question seem obvious to me right now but nobody seemed to ask them. And what I'm thinking of in response to this question is, looking back there was only one thing you had to believe in order to actually graduate and become a medical doctor

06:36 So you could be like a sex offender, you could be an alcoholic. You can't drug abuser you could be stupid you could be a lot of things but if u thought that the patient was responsible for their own health you couldn't be a medical doctor we were taught that people are victims of Forces beyond their control or agency that you just were walking around and some virus got you already got jeans or bad luck or something. And if u didn't believe that, you wouldn't be able to get through the one exception was smoking smoke your dumb ass so i get what do you deserve but otherwise it was just its all victim consciousness

07:36 And so when they think, when they say well why can't you heal the reason is because you're just a victim anyways and so why should you. Yeah it's really perceptional as at its core and this medical system sprung up that yeah you had to have blind faith in it is a dogma orthodoxy these religious terms do apply to it wouldn't you say. It's completely a superstition And the superstition is embedded you know i give a talk called the day the science died and i want get into the whole background of that but around the end of the last century and it's not started then but really became codified early nineteen hundred. Late eighteen hundreds the scientific community decided to

08:37 substitute observations and experiments with models. In other words, if you see something or if you can do a simple experiment like hit the nail with the hammer does the nail go in? So you could do that experiment then you can do it with your arm to see if its the hammer or maybe just your arm so that's simple experiment will tell you that it is the hammer makes the nail going but We were the scientific community decided not to go that route and made a model of why nails going to walls. Add it didn't matter if there nobody observed the nail going into the wall like nobody had observed the virus, and nobody has done an experiment that shows their is such a thing but nevermind because we don't science doesn't believe in that anymore

09:38 They believe in models or as einstein said free conceptions of the mind. I'm making shit up yeah so just make it up and they call that reality add name a story about how it works and that becomes science Yes and something i can't picked up from steiner was him talking about blood and just how it's such a mysterious almost spiritual substance because you can really isolate blood from the whole you can. Really take it out of the body or out of the system and study it as if it really is and that's true for so many things i had daniel reuters here any comments been here. David crow has been here a lot of people who will go back to the original contagion studies, and say look they pulled this not out of a sick person jammed into a healthy person they can't make it work in a laboratory setting

10:37 And then you go into things like how do we discover vitamin c well they saw that the orange help the people with scurvy so they dissected and i cut it up in a mixed its parts together and the center fuge and then they added from aldehyde and other guys may look at the little squiggle under the microscope is there it is that's vitamin C. And when you think it when your logic that out you think about it it's like what clearly doesn't make a lot of sense maybe u can separate, individual things from the whole and then put them in a pill and say here this is just as good as an orange i'm on that page but you mentioned observations and now my dad of two year old four year old. And this whole thing about contagion like sally fellow was here when your book with her came out we talked about this i'm on the page that,

11:30 the model is wrong and that the idea of contagion is not backed up by any real study but my observational effect does seem to suggest that when some well people are around some sick people they also get sick, that's an observation that I can't shake what a better model or better replacement for explaining that observation. Well there's two things here first of all science is not about competing theories or models and in fact if you go down that road you will end up seriously inhibiting your ability to learn let me give an example what's the match and he's having eighteen year old asian fellow and his parents are caucasians right.

12:25 And one day he looks through his parents' closet and he finds adoption papers. They got him from an orphanage in China, until he realized that he never saw a picture of his mother pregnant and goes to his parents to say is this true? I'm adopted." They said yeah we didn't want to tell you but they got you from this orphanage in China right so that's very clear So he goes to his best friend says I just found out I was adopted His friend says who are your real parents Any says i don't know they got me from an orphanage in china and he says until you tell me who your real parents are i dont believe your adoptive that's ridiculous right right which means that the process of logic thinking science is examining claims. The claim that u r adopted it doesn't matter if you know what happened right for who your real parents are

13:27 So in your question what i tell people is. What did you need not what you think of your mind and correct me if im wrong with from your perspective, you saw one child who's got some symptoms that we call sickness and then at the same time or a little bit later saying place same symptoms in another job right yeah roughly sure let's say that And you didn't see a virus you can see contagion you didn't see transmission of anything you just stop. Two or more people are animals get the same symptoms same time same place yes but i would add the caveat that in cuz i think about these things when my kids do get sick and then the most recent example,

14:18 The two kids go to the same school, we got a call from the school. One of the kids in your child's class tested positive for X Y or Z and went home with a fever We largely ignore that right? We don't whatever okay fine But the kid was sick a day later and then we get sick a day after that and so we didn't really share the same environment and we did not. Seem to eat the same toxic thing says some of the explanations in that example it does feel like there's a cascade or domino effect that goes beyond sharing the same environment, and some of the conventional thoughts what you're living with with your child year in the same place

14:57 Sure once they want their sick yeah right so same place same time same symptoms but no contagion well, so you don't see a contagious you see. Same symptom same times and places right now the question does that prove contagious So let me ask you this you put a hundred rats in the basement somebody on but no to you puts rat poison next day all hundred rats are dead they glee today same symptoms same time same place so was that a contagion now right there were poisoned.

15:40 So, in other words it becomes clear that same time same place same symptoms does not prove contagion. You have to figure out some other way to prove it Right so here's a way to prove it you take 100 people are 10 people put him in a room and then he in one same room. You know maybe one day after the other and then in one set you put three sick people saying symptoms, yeah there everything is the same 3 any put three well people

16:17 So the only variable in this is, in one exposure there were sick people and the other exposure there was well people. And you see if that the well people get sick I can tell you and Daniel Reiters will tell you There's not one study that demonstrates that that's how it works. And if you say there is or that is how it works Then you're gonna have to give me a study not your child or aunt Bessie got sick sleeping next to uncle Eric. Because you don't know what happened there all you know is that when you actually scientifically logically studied by the variable being the sick people it doesn't make contagion, well people don't get sick now is it possible that

17:15 Humans plants animals share information or share experiences. Or signal to others especially in families that something may be happening or you should do something or something like that sure but as far as actual contagion of a microbe, that has been disproven so even if i get it wrong why they're one person after another got sick It doesn't mean there's contagion that has been disproven it just means i got a replacement theory incorrect and at this point in my life.

17:58 I'm very happy to just say to people, I don't friggin know. You know it's probably in your mind because the only people that actually have been able in these studies that Daniel has 200 studies who do get sick is when they take a swab they say this came from somebody who has strep throat they swab it and then the person gets sick and then the next day they'll say Oh you know what it turns out you got the swap from a healthy person and then they get better. No i can see it happens in families,

18:36 So people are very sort of emotionally and psychologically physically connected. It sometimes happens with shared exposure like you paint the wallpaper with paris green which is arsenic, i'm out gases and then you get rashes let's use think our chicken pox And so that's what happened in that case. The reality is you can't make a blanket, here's what happens because one case may be emotional, one case maybe psychological, one case maybe arsenic, here's another case... So when you get lesions on your genitals especially women in the 1800s they said they had syphilis

19:28 and they treated it by giving them mercury. It turns out, mercury concentrates in the vaginal secretions and then when a man would have intercourse with the woman who's been taking mercury they would come in contact with the mercury in their vaginal secretions and mercury exposure on your penis gives you lesions which are mistaken for syphilis So the whole thing looks like contagion and in fact you could say one person passed it to the next, right? But only because the person was a vehicle for mercury exposure.

20:13 Maybe there's, you know something happens in the breath becomes too sulfurous and then you breathe that sulfurous breath. And then your body eliminates it which is what we call sickness so the sickness that you see is not a disease That's the therapy for having been exposed poisoned or something that's a major misconception and it's easy to see because if i asked you, if you get splinter in your finger what happens next. It gets inflamed and you get past if you don't remove it right so is the pasta therapy or is it disease. It's the body response which is trying to heal right so it's the therapy first letter yes

21:02 I was taught in medical school means you have an infection issue give the person a bag which case this part the splinter stays there and now u got chronic splinters how about if you breathe in debris and chemtrails and smoke it all that. And then you get mucus and a cough and all that. Is that mucus and cough the disease or is it the therapy? I do consider it the therapy, right but we're told its bronchitis and we give people cough medicine and antibiotics You keep it in and then you get chronic bronchitis and COPD Here's another one if you have a house right somebody put stinky garbage in your house right what do you do? You should get out of there

21:50 How push it out the door how about put it put in a bag well sure i assume that yeah so but i want to talk like a seven year old so you sweep up into a bad take the back to the garage, take it out to the curb right yes and that is there remediation for the garbage. Right what about somebody put stinky garbage like vaccines in your house your body called your house or your house called you're buying. What is your body do it puts it in a bag tumor maybe all the tumor yeah is that where the therapy or is it the disease,

22:36 Apparently the therapy but sometimes that there can get out of control and you can die from an amuse you can dive from the therapies apparently if your body over produces. Where is this what if they keep putting garbage in your house and then u, your garage gets fuller than the bedroom gets fall in the kitchen gets well then you have to move out of your house yeah yeah and so is the battery it was still And attempt to remediate the garbage sure sure i really like contextualizing things like this with your great with the examples that really blows my mind sometimes when i hear so many good ones, i don't wanna get stuck on the contagion thing but in your example what the rats so.

23:20 When i think about the kids getting sick i think about toxicity what were they exposed to your example with the rats is you put a hundred rats in the basement you give rat poison they all die okay my example as u have a rat and a different environment. That gets exposed to a poison that route ends up in my basement and now, Me and mama rat are also sick so it's like i think that the thing that made my kids sick is maybe at their school. That's my best assumption and then the kid comes home with a symptoms and we get sick to maybe thats emotional residence, i'm open to that like i'm familiar with some of the work that props up that idea i don't know if it makes a lot of logical sense to me as why our reality would create emotional resonance cuz you would want your

24:07 Parents to be optimal to take care of a sick child not have a sick child. Emotionally resonant sickness why can i emotionally resident health to my sick kid i should be the stronger one what is it while you resonate with my my help instead of the other way around So again, I don't know the details of what happened. So sure and besides even again Even if i get it wrong what happened? It doesn't mean there was contagion because we've already disproven that but one thing that comes to mind is so somebody says I sent my child to school and they got sick first of all from my point of view

24:47 The definition of school is where children go to get indoctrinated into lives and any healthy child. Who's got a sense will make themselves sick to try to get out of going there so that they come home and the parents don't get it and still think of clever, Interesting ways of making the parents sick so that maybe they'll say you know what made me shouldn't send our child to school because they keep getting sick and then we get sick. And so that may be what it takes to get you realize that sending a child to school is a horrible decision

25:34 Fair enough i mean and our example we go to an alternative school my kids for really likes it because they don't have any kids in their life and a. Asked to go on the weekends but doesn't matter this is an isolated example, what let's look more at gel water in the body the state of the gel water in the body cuz if we're gonna talk about What actually makes us healthy most people just wanna be healthy i don't necessarily care what makes me sick i want to just be sick less often i wanna have less. My body healing name from all the toxins that are in me,

26:10 Talk to us about this because Dr. Gerald Pollack's been here, then you apply that to the body and health and it just seems so right but I also hear a lot of people talking about ingesting the right water and i'm not exactly sure that ingesting good water Obviously don't want to add toxins your body but i'm not sure that there's an exact one to one correlation between the water you drink and the gel state water in your cells. So what was your protocol for improving health through a focus on improving the gel state water in our bodies, set number one i dont have protocols i hear people's individual situations actually i dont do this either anymore i dont do any medicine anymore

26:59 We have a clinic and we have six doctors who do this but i don't do it. But we dont work from protocols protocols are for suckers basically okay sorry process but here's here so way to answer that question or one possible way, The thing I was saying is how surprising that nobody in medical school asked certain questions. So sometime around third grade in school, we learned that matter exists in three phases right? Solid liquid gas yes so there's solid copper molten liquid copper gaseous copper and same with lead or gold or anything

27:51 So with water there's ice water or steam right so i was in a doctor for awhile mostly to make money while is building up my practice. And so i see people shot and banded it is stabbed etc, Now I had been told in medical school that inside our cells, so we're not talking about the blood. We're talking about in the cells is that it's 70% water and you can prove it with a spectrophotometer okay? So I see the people stab and you know how many people I saw water squirting out of them? Zero! Zero.

28:33 That's obvious right everybody knows it so i wonder why in medical school i didn't ask. Excuse me but which phases the water and in your cells yeah ice right, it is not steam cuz that's ridiculous so its water that's what they told us. So the first problem is does it feel like you have liquid water sloshing around your body it does not And then second of all how come it doesn't squirt out when you stay with the pin good question right but nobody asked that question so i start wondering. It turns out none of the water in our bodies is liquid water it's in this phase your talking about which is like jello or gel face for phase easy one lots and makes, just like a jello use stick up jello with a pen and nothing square itself

29:30 And in fact, when the water goes from a gel to a liquid like if you're the water it's around your knee. If it becomes liquid we say you have a problem with your knee because it's all swollen but you have water on the knees. You always had water but it wasn't liquid water so the problem is you've become liquified now that means that So what does a gel water do? It carries the charge. And so that was the next thing, so if you ask medical doctors is the body an electromagnetic field is it charged they say no okay how do you measure the health of heart when you doing EKG what does that measure electrical activity at the heart

30:28 How do you measure the health of the brain? You do an EEG. What is that measuring, the electrical activity of the brain? Wait a minute I thought you just told me that it's not all about the electromagnetic flow through a living being. That electromagnetic flow arises out of this fourth phase of water and liquid water doesn't carry a charge So that's why if you're water is not in this healthy gel phase, you're like a low battery. And that's what we call not feeling well, low vitality and eventually getting sick. Now to your question, is it true that drinking structured water or gel water immediately goes to form a gel in you? The answer is no and so

31:25 That's actually kind of ridiculous right but what we do know is that certain waters that carry a kind of the charge. Would you can measure with a volt meter actually seem to be able to heal people from a lot of things. So for instance, the water at Lourdes which has a very particular charge and there's something like 10 000 cases of spontaneous healing so-called from people who are bathed in or drink water from Lourdes and there's other places like that. It seems

32:04 Exposure to certain kind of water has a beneficial effect on the health of people and whether it's because it helps them create this fourth phase or, or helps the charge. I don't think anybody really knows but we do know that certain waters have a healing effect And certain waters have a more toxic effect specially if you just off chemicals in the water you know fluoride and chlorine. You know i would never drink stuff like that right i'm lucky enough to be on well here but it's a while in florida and florida is bad about all of

32:44 toxic runoff since makes its way to our water so then i get a little paranoid about the water and imports, mountain valley in the big glass jugs i mean it's the best workout i get all week is trying to take a big glass five gallon jogging set on top of that thing without creating a disaster. I do it because i feel like the water is pretty clean and doesn't touch plastic But when you get to the whole house filter level everything i see i'm not in love with because it seems like its trips out the minerals, i know enough to be like reverse osmosis is not the way what do you think about trying to get the best water and your house. From a well system where u don't feel confident that the well as is super clean right so and all these are problems which often don't have perfect solutions

33:42 The first thing i would say is after you know thirty years of studying water which doesn't mean that i'm right but and reading in an investigate just about anybody who's who i think has something to say about it what i would say is the best water to consume or exposure body too. Is water that emerges from the earth on its own power therefore not well That you have to drill in it and get the water that is not ready on its own to come out of the ground. I'm so that's the water that i drink and we have a spring where the waters continually coming out of the ground on its own power, can i just go there and get glass jars and fill those up and thats what we drink with you know if i didn't have access to that i would probably buy

34:44 And mountain valley is one there's other ones that are also good and i would put it in the glass jars. The problem of bathing then still so you got this water with the well and so what do you do i mean, There's no great answer to that but i use some sort of a carbon charcoal filter and then i put it through a structuring device that makes it into a vortex. Let me put it through our shower head that makes it into another vortex and. Is the water that we use for for bathing and showering but we don't drink their water

35:23 Now that's a big rigmarole and you know I've been working on this for, you know i don't know how long and I'm sure not everybody either wants to do that or can do it but that's what I would suggest for the best water that I know of. I like it sounds like i'm three quarters of the way there with a structuring the vortexing my god got some victor schauberger books back here i am familiar with literature that supports for texting. He was the one who really emphasize water to drink has to come out of the earth on its own power,

36:00 Yes and the vortexing is really interesting i just i guess i'm like comparing vortex into the. Level of toxicity of the water on my can a vortex really clean it that fast and then you'll see these products like i have a big garden outside we have a thing on the end of the hose that vortex is the water, and it just seems like its not enough like i have a jog little vortex some water I don't know how help me get over the mental issue that i feel like it's just not doing enough for maybe not more texting enough to have the effect i wanted to have. The cleaning affect yeah mean again with what i would call dirty water we put a filter first share and then we put it through two different vortexes but at the end of the day you know for me,

36:57 Again, it comes back to believing I guess in observation and simple experiments. So you come to a point where that you can't see whether it's good enough or good water Right you can't see it you can taste it you can feel that you cant do anything. So then what I've done over the years and I did this with my aqua day a shower head which goes through six chambers and it makes this sort of negative pressure vortex, and I had a huge garden I had one in Napa before I moved

37:33 And i divided a strawberry bag that was about fifty feet into two sections twenty five feet each and our problem was we lived in san francisco and we had a garden napo says. An hour and half drive inside with go once or twice a week what would happen is the strawberries would rock before we get there we went once a week, end so that that was the problem i was looking at so with one 25 foot bad I watered him with this awkward day a shower had. This vortexing and the other I just did it with plain sort of well water that came out of the ground

38:16 The difference was unmistakable in the health and growth of the plants but more importantly the strawberries from the vortex one. Didn't rocks and the ones from the vortex not vortex one did, add we could tell that because when we go to pick the strawberries they were still like i ended up my tentative conclusion was The health of the strawberry came because it had a robust gel if it starts getting dehydrated. Then it shrinks and then the mold start decomposing which is what was happening on the normal strawberries so,

39:02 My conclusion was watering it with this aqua day a shower had more texting thing somehow increased the gel phase in the plant in the strawberry. And that was good because then we could eat them once a week, we can harvest them what's so that's how I sorted that problem out because there is no way to know otherwise you just guess Make sense so when it comes to your house where is the vortex in the chain it's right after filtration before hits the pipes of the house or is that the output and the faucet. So you also have to realize that just because of my situation and life people give me stuff sure, because then they want me to endorse it or talk about it there something so i have stuff

39:58 Is that most people just wouldn't wanna do so i do want to do it already okay so we we have town water. That's the only thing in fact you even though we live with its a real place but they don't florida right places regular, how long so when it comes into the house there is a device thats sort of taped on to the first height before goes anywhere that Energetically scrubs the water clean now does it do anything i have no idea some guy gave it to me germany at all these studies. He said are you just take on your thing in a last rest of your life. Set the first thing that all that water then goes into a pure effects three stage carbon filter

40:55 Right and then it comes out of there and then it goes through a copper pipe that's about this long. Any internal there is an internal baffling system in the copper pie, that makes it go through vortex and these people gave me that to quit so there's scrubbing it you know scrubbing the bad energy Getting rid of the stuff in the water and again we're not drinking this water but then we vortex it. And then when it comes out it comes out through one of these shower heads that i just said, can you go to zero two there's a water station at remittal eyes is and then puts it through a quartz or text.

41:44 We don't even drink that water we are ready for that week collect from a spring in glass bottles and then, you can add water i stir it with the one man is there a hole to go down and it becomes this thing where you can get mostly right but then those last percentage points just requires more and more. meddling and i'm also not that handy so when it comes to these devices like i can't even really call a plumber to be like hey i need you to put this on here and don't ask me any questions about why is not explaining that i'm not either but the plumbers they can do this easily. Fair fair i guess i'll take the money either way if they think i'm crazy again i dont know that thats the best water im just,

42:31 Again, people gave me stuff and this is what seems to be the best I can do. But what I really do is collect water from a spring that comes out of the earth on its own in a very remote place. I put it into glass bottles and stir with an antilemme wand and that's what we drink Where and this again going back to the idea that maybe it's not a one-to-one correlation between the water you drink in the jail state. Water in your body of course the strawberry anecdote helps suggested it does definitely has no fact but what other things, in our lives will help us increase the charge or the gel state structure of our water i mean i know grounding and sunlight but is there anything else that you would add to the stack up

43:18 focusing on optimizing the gel state water our body actually jerry did a very good experiment that, very clearly answers that question and so here's the experiment you take a beaker of water. And use to spend a horizontal hydrophilic tube in the water imagine a glass tube acceptance i do feel like suspended horizontally in a beaker of water Right and then because of the interaction of water and hydrophilic surface. You will form a gel layer inside the two answer that's always negatively charged, and that pushes the so-called positive charges into the middle where the liquid water is they repel each other and start the water in the tube moving

44:17 So you get a flow in the two just because of the interaction of water and it had a hydrophilic surface. Can you can measure the velocity of the water in going through to write with me. So if u get something that increases the velocity thats because it made more gel ie more charge Right okay that's the only way it could happen so the thicker that the gel is the more robust. The jail the stronger the charge faster than velocity so you take a bigger measure of the charge and then shine the sunlight on increases the flow of the last. So you can say sunlight increase is the formation of gels in water

45:16 You put the beaker on the earth, directly on the earth and it increases the velocity meaning it increases the gel layer. You put your hands on it, increases the velocity meaning it increases the gel layer so laying out of hands you put your dog next to it at least most dogs and that increases the velocity Your cell phone, lean it up against it and the water will stop moving because this radiation or the effect of a cell phone inhibits the formation of gel water. And so this gel water is what makes... It's the same with the capillaries in our body

46:07 We have tubes that are hydrophilic, we have liquid blood you know that has stuff in it. It forms a gel that makes the movement of the blood-that's where the movement of the blood comes and if the blood isn't moving up your body we call that congestive heart failure so if somebody comes to me and says how do I make myself have congestive heart failure I say just stick your cell phone in your pocket all the time and don't move it don't get out of the sun and don't cry to the earth. And get ready your dog and cat any crappy food drink poison water and you got a good shot at making yourself have heart failure so i know you gotta get outta here,

46:57 Pretty quickly but tell people about the new biology clinic and doctor cowan's garden we got a mention these are two resources i'm very thankful out there tell people about both of them so we started you know. What's the best food and foods air able to be mail ordered and grown by small farmers in the right way and i've said for years, You know, like squirrels. They collect nuts and bury them they sprout and then they dig them up and eat them no squirrel would eat in unsprouted nut I didn't know that that's why the scratch their head because they're trying to remember where there is a lot of so we sell sprouted knots and things like this so we saw you know the best food we can get to help people out don't necessarily want to do it themselves so thats dr cowan's garden

47:49 And then we've tried to look for the best medicines, the medicines that are not the sorcery medicines but medicines right from nature. That's the other meaning of pharmacy which is essentially gifts from nature and that's Dr Tom Cowan and then we started a online clinic called The New Biology Clinic And there's six doctors and, you know tuning fork and movement and food. You know emotional freedom stuff and we just work with people who are not doing well in one hour help and we all have the same way of looking at life as i was describing today. I love it that spin i haven't actually used very much yet cuz he is playing where lies around here usually but its been my biggest problem talking to alternative health

48:43 i hate the term but alternative health people is like you know most of them are retired like yourself on my wall look alike that tom cowan way doing things but he's he's retired not taking new clients and this would happen over and over again so i would say there needs to be a network or resource of actual practicing doctors that think along these lines that can help in times where it feels like its a little beyond. My control and i want something else yeah new biology quarter Yeah, it's a beautiful thing. So one other thing on their website I was going to ask about is Strophanthus. It gets its own category. It's separate from the shop category. It gets its own line item. I mean that's the medicine that I'm known for. It's the heart medicine. As the natives called it, The Gift From Paradise so it was at risk of being lost and

49:38 I'm part of a small group of people who are trying to make sure that this really amazing medicine for the heart and for other things but doesn't get lost. I love that, and when it comes to things like the vortexing... A lot of these things are also these physical products they're also available on the website? Yeah right! Awesome well thank you so much for your time enjoy the rest of your day it's been a pleasure Thanks Greg. And it was bizarre too, because Dr. Cowan had written me back when I requested he come on and he had said no and then i came back saying hey man i have read your books i'm pretty well educated on your perspective and he still said no! Now several years after that a PR person of some kind reached out and pitched him and i immediately was like NO PITCH NECESSARY YES here's the important details about the show like how long it is

50:51 Well, I'm sure you noticed this one came in a little short and it's always frustrating to get on a scheduled call and hear. I have a commitment after this so i can only give you 90 minutes It's like but the show is 120 minutes So knowing that either say yes or no But don't try to change the format of my show but these things happen And when it's someone I really want to talk to I guess I have no choice but to be flexible I am happy with what we ended up with though these medical shows they're important but they can be tough for me they were way easier a few years ago when it was also hypothetical. My dad died of cancer which is one of dr cowan's books and my good friend gordon died of essentially heart attack, which is doctor cowen other big book

51:40 So his work recontextualize is the two main killers of the people i love and both of them tried to heal their conditions through alternative means. And it did not work out in gordon's case very much so from dr cowan specific perspective let's just say i'm coming into these alternative medical shows with a Bit more real world baggage than usual where i'm a bit more raw and probably. Easy to trigger i guess because it's not some abstract thing like a false flag that happened halfway across the country, is very much wrapped up in real world pain

52:19 And the stakes are high. I don't want anyone to get bad medical advice, but ultimately we all follow the advice that feels right and i'm only here to help guests deliver an alternative perspective and then you decide how it feels to you." I tried to demonstrate to Dr Cowan that I am pretty well educated on his perspective and the work of his colleagues that I know he respects but I still have questions and want to be able to get into the nuances of some of those things But it felt a little bit like the attitude was, look guy this is what it is you either get it or you don't. Just fine but not exactly helpful again though I wouldn't have talked about him as much as I have if I didn't see the value I would never read several of his books and I wouldn't listen to hours and hours and hours of lectures like I'm in okay I'm a fan

53:14 I spent about $300 in his store actually right after we recorded this. Mainly because he offers kitchen staples like olive oil and hot sauces, and apple cider vinegar with organic ingredients in glass bottles with structured water! I mean this is exactly what I want right? And it's so impossible to find... Well not impossible clearly you can find at one place But yet I can't help but feel like some of his responses to my questions, specifically around contagion were a little bit dismissive. Let's just get into it this is the guy who went to Duke University got as traditional medical license and played the game for 40 years so it's a little rich to say that in my own example maybe my daughter just hates school and is making herself sick to avoid it

54:03 Look, she's four but she goes to a very alternative school that aligns with our principles and she loves going there. As if I would make her go somewhere that she hated—I actually wouldn't—but that is just a strange answer." You know, I've been wrestling with this contagion idea since I was first made aware of it enough to even doubt it! And I do think viruses are actually misidentified, not the cause of illness. There's a huge difference when you look at bacteria and viruses They both are invisible to the naked eye, but it goes a lot deeper than that. I think bacteria is real and bacteria causes illness but viruses probably aren't and that's the crux of vaccination we don't vaccinate against bacteria so to me the distinction is important And I'm also open to the idea that what we call viruses might relate to or be a byproduct of illness

55:01 The exosome perspective of Dr. Kaufman is very convincing, if you only see these things in a magnified tissue sample of someone who is sick and we know the body does self-heal then how could you ever know if these things we call viruses are the cause of illness or an effect of the body trying to carry toxins away from the healthy cells? It's a nuance distinction. And I'm even open to the sympathetic resonance thing, but again my question would be why don't I resonate healthy to my kids along with mom? Why do we get a call that she had a classmate who got very sick and then 12 hours later gets very sick like if it's sympathetic resonance you would think the healthier person could resonate

55:52 Healing or health to the person who's sick especially a child and not the whole class got sick either but the girls in her specific little group. They don't need anything at school so it's not that either, I'm pretty open-minded about all this stuff. I expect Rockefeller medicine to lie, but my lived experience is that when my unvaccinated raw milk drinking kids have been around other sick kids even when they don't know it and certainly aren't conditioned to be worried about it they end up sick in like four or five examples I have cold spread should be okay talk about that

56:31 Dr. Cowan is just one of these guys that does not have much grace for anyone who hasn't figured out exactly what he has even though, he did what he needed to do to keep a medical license for 40 years and that's nice career now is 70 and seems to be in amazing health it's a nice time to be able to be outspoken I know we talked a lot about giving alternative advice along the way but a person who worked their whole career within a traditional paradigm with a traditional degree now says my four year old is probably getting sick because school is such a terrible place. Easy for you to say now tom it's like running a marathon and then telling people at the starting line, you know you should probably skip i didn't get by ran but you should probably skip

57:18 And I'm open to any problems with this completely being me. Like i said, I've got a lot of baggage and emotional rawness around medical situations like this but I didn't really go back and listen to it. I'm just relying on my very shaky memory which is another thing! I know the story is important when it comes to chronic illnesses or lasting suboptimal conditions like high blood pressure But just to find a person's one bad habit and say, well that's it. That doesn't exactly feel right And the response could be Well you're in denial You don't want to change You don't want to accept that X Y or Z might be related to smoking weed as heavily as you do Okay but it seems like many people with very bad habits live well into their 90s if they have the right mental attitude

58:13 Many of our political or management class names we know drink cocktails with every meal, breakfast lunch and dinner. And they live to be 90 I think because they don't have any stress or worries So if marijuana is a stress management tool I use as opposed to alcohol Is there no argument for it having some positive effects on me? My sinus issues seem to come and go for weeks at a time, but I've smoked consistently every day for close to 20 years now. It very much feels like my sinus issues are caused by some less consistent factor in my life But if you're gonna say it could be drywall or the air conditioning or Bluetooth or Wi-Fi

59:00 It's like again yeah i know our lives are full of toxins. What you gonna do check out his store it got a lot of great products and i probably will even seek out a doctor from the new biology clinic if we even need regular doctor, i do see it is my best available option in a lot of scenarios But I guess i'm just saying that i'm open-minded about a wide variety of perspectives on why we get sick and all that. But the first half was good, and the second half really got great! I never really considered questioning the oxygen thing, but there's some really interesting stuff in there when you consider oxygen as just a charge carrier for the electrical beings that we are. We talked about the spiritual implications of science and conjuring reality and the sorcery of medicine. I like all that language regarding the dark arts of medicine

59:58 We talked about Rudolf Steiner and general cosmology. I asked him what Steiner got wrong, and we got into Dr. Cowan's perspective that the earth doesn't move. Obviously we've heard that from other guests decide for yourself. We talked about the power of belief in navigating toxicity and a couple more my unanswered questions on The Mysteries Of Health. I loved it get these seven day free trial without the credit card check it all out In higher side news, I had a nice refreshing trip to Maui. And Maui is fine it's an island it's kind of like a cruise ship where you're stuck there so the price gouging gets pretty wild

1:00:40 It's an interesting biome. My wife and I got off the resort more than anyone in our group of 20 that we were there with, some of the waterfalls are incredible. We hiked a couple miles up to a bamboo forest which was really memorable but it sort of like the topography of California with the plant life of Florida And both these places are more accessible to anyone in the US and offer about 70% of what Maui does for 50% of the cost It was more about seeing certain people for me and on that note mission accomplished my socialization tank has been replenished. Plus lots of grounding in forest bathing and sunshine all the important things right while i was gone,

1:01:25 My guest spot on Danny Jones has aired. I'm sure many of you have come across it by now, I've gotten a ton of really good feedback we talked for over three hours and he really didn't give me much to go on about what he might want to get into beforehand so i just kind of came with my own agenda about what I thought would be important but also unexpected to communicate and generally people seem to get something out of I'm not a primary researcher, spoiler alert. So i try to just do what I do and highlight the people that are best for whatever subject might be Many of them have already written me to say thanks for the shoutout so I think this interview has been pretty well circulated

1:02:12 If you haven't heard it, find Danny Jones on YouTube. Help me blow it up as much as we can so that maybe I end up being someone he can call if he needs a local to fill in a hole in the schedule I'm a cheap date, no flight or hotel required. And i thought it was fun! His studio is super nice the lobby is crazy he's got a kitchen and theater room there that are nicer than most homes...I know many people are skeptical of his popularity and I've made comments along those lines of my own but after my experience there I think it just demonstrates how valuable a high production value is

1:02:51 I won't ever really be able to do my interviews in person, but I try to do the best remote interviews that can be done all without sponsored ads. I think it'd do pretty good Danny did tell me he has signed to a talent agency so i think a lot of the resources come from that agreement. I would guess that it's a classic situation at once you sign the company pores resources in do you and sees how big they can blow it up so they can increase their share of the pie i don't think it has to be much more complicated than that and you might be independently wealthy i dont know also when i started it wasnt a guarantee. That there was money in podcasting so once that was established its alot easier to come the table from day one trying to build your brand because you know on the other side there can be money

1:03:46 It just wasn't that obvious in 2010. I would be kind of curious to know if Danny Jones and Jesse Michaels and Julian Dory were all signed to the same agency or not because they do seem to share a lot of similar qualities, but it doesn't mean any them are bad guys or have any intention beyond making a good living bringing interesting guests to a wide audience! I do the same thing i have the same goals but just a slightly different approach why so serious life is short But help me make that appearance a good one because I think it's already brought more people into checking out THC than anything else. I've done in a long time and it helps the entire archive of guests, and it's a very small thing you could help me with to have a decent cascade of benefits. All right? Well we also like to go over the review or the last episode which is the episode with Dan Waits of World Astrology Report

1:04:43 Well, it is holding strong at a 4.8 even after a long gap. Usually more time equals lower average but this is a strong one and I agree...it was good! I felt good leaving for a week with that being my latest offering dan is great astrology is one of those topics that. While some people have not incorporated it into their world view, for those who have there's always something to talk about or updates to give and i'd love to keep dan in the lineup and four point eight shows i'm not alone And finally, the Meetup calendar. Hiresidemeetups.com Find like-minded locals over a meal or a couple of drinks Anyone can make an event Podcasting is such a solitary experience This is my way of trying to help you make it not that way

1:05:35 On deck we got july nineteenth saint paul minnesota black stack brewing july twentieth oaks pennsylvania arnold's family fun center july twenty eighth. Elgin illinois at side street studios and then august eight three goes public house in pullman washington a higher suit made up, and then august ninth we have trails cafe in los angeles august fifteenth lowes ranchos new mexico hops brewery And that's about it. I love it again so easy to make an event, its free you don't have to overthink it just pick any local gathering place and put out there let me call it out a time or two on air and people should go the website to get more details in RSVP and good things happen alright well thats the show Just because i came away with few criticisms doesn't mean i wouldn't put tom cowan up there as one of best we have

1:06:33 I'm super fortunate to have gotten this one on the books and i hope you had a good time with it. I've done my part, your move contagion model cheerleaders sickness system supporters and sorcerers of medical science. You're fuckin'. Sorry you can't sleep tonight mama says you're scared out here well i've checked in every corner and promise there's nothing Well at least not in your room, kid It might be the only place you're safe So you might as well relax now There's much more to fear when you're awake The real m-s are outrunnin everything And they're way worse than you can imagine! So don't be scared of your own a- You can't be bothered by the dark in this life Cause no night light's bright enough

1:07:44 So at least in here be tough. Mouth can, but it's just a little noise Wait until the stresses they put you on or eat up all your dreams and joy Sure I'll check inside crack the door a little bit as it gets The real monsters are out running They ain't waiting They're way worse than you can imagine So don't be scared of your own

1:08:35 You can't be bothered by the dark in this life, cause no night light's bright enough! So don't you worry yourself about it. You're well protected here tonight Insulated from a thousand different nightmares that get very real and I think you'll be alright The real monsters are out running in And they're way worse than you can imagine! You can't be bothered by the dark in this life, cause no night light's bright enough

1:09:45 So at least in here be tough