Dr. Joseph P. Farrell | Common Core & The Cabal

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01:17 Alright, Hiresight Chatters. We know all too well that there is plenty of power hidden behind the veil and unfortunately for us the Earth has a rich history of control by vast interlocking networks of think tanks multinational corporations secret societies esoteric orders and hidden financiers all aimed at crafting society to their will and molding modern man as they see fit And while the conspiratorial baton has changed hands many times throughout history when it comes to the world stage today, it's the post-World War II Nazi fascist international that our returning guest Joseph Farrell has been tracking over the course of several years and their fingerprints seem to be on much more than you might think.

01:55 Today we're going to focus on the content of his latest two books, Rotten to the Common Core Public Schooling Standardized Tests and The Surveillance State. And also Hidden Finance Rogue Networks and Secret Sorcery The Fascist International 9-11 and Penetrated Operations Both being further examples of amazing titles AND examinations of where we see the game plan of this capstone cabal and events and initiatives that reek of their underlying agendas One of my favorite guests and yours, the man who dissects the plan Joseph P. Farrell welcome back to The Higher Side. Thanks Greg thanks for having me back yeah honor a pleasure my good man you really are one of the great I'm really excited for this and when i saw that rotten to the common core was coming out

02:39 I was pumped because the education and schooling slice of the conspiracy pie is one that i think needs more attention because it affects us all so deeply. How could it not? We're forced to spend over a decade of our formative years under their nefarious guidance, and slowly strips us down into nothing more but cogs in the machine... And leaves people unfulfilled often for their entire lifetime Even though compulsory schooling was sort-of weaponized from the ground up they definitely seem to be tightening the screws, so to speak with this new Common Core curriculum don't they? Oh absolutely. Absolutely you know the title says it all my co-author and I have both been involved in education

03:21 in our lives, he still is. I was fortunate enough to get out although at the time i didn't think i was too fortunate but you know i saw the worst of the worst and to me doing the book it was kind of a bit of karma for me being able to expose some of the things that i saw going on as a professor One of my favorite anecdotes about the whole education methodology as it's taught in American quackademia, and that's how I refer to it. Is just shot through with psychological assumptions, philosophical assumptions but my favorite anecdote from my teaching days was the fact that I used to teach a variety of college level history courses

04:08 in modern European history, Russian history. Even at one point I had to substitute for another professor who was on leave for a semester so i took his diplomatic history of the United States course and you know...I had a wide range of courses that I taught but in teaching modern European history used to give essay exams for the most part because I'm adamantly against the idea of standardized test being able to capture anyone's process of reasoning So in the examination, the first question I put was list five things that the Treaty of Versailles stipulated with regard to Germany. Easy question and you can write out your five answers

04:54 and in the question obviously I had to spell Versailles, V-E-R-S-A-I-L-L-E-S. Fair enough! And the student answered and incidentally the student was an education major alright? This just goes to show as far as i'm concerned how colossally stupefying and stupidizing the American educational system really is because this student responded by spelling Versailles, V-E-R-S-I-G-H. Huh? Versailles, okay when it's spelled correctly in the question itself right so you know there is such a disconnect here that this whole methodology has made

05:38 that people aren't even capable of thinking anymore. So anyway, that's kind of my anecdote to get us started. Fair enough and that really does go hand in hand with what I had as a first question for you which is early on in the book you do say that our focus is not so much upon the content or the standards themselves but rather upon the assessment process and its implicit consequences for parents students and the teaching profession right Can you elaborate on that assessment process, why it's so concerning and what it does exactly? All right. Well the problem with most of the debate as far as my co-author and I were concerned with Common Core

06:16 Is that everybody's focused on the standards themselves well to us this is kind of a clever distraction because no one. Do my mind that is involved in education would question the idea that there was a certain central core or body of knowledge that education is designed to hand down whatever the subject matter you might be teaching, be it history or physics or mathematics or music or whatever. There is some sort of core that everybody acknowledges as there although individuals might draw up a different list as to what that core might be but they're substantial agreement

06:54 The real problem for us with Common Core is not in the actual idea that there should be some sort of common standard of disciplinary content that gets transmitted, but rather the idea that you can assess that core solely on the basis of standardized tests because what Common Core does Is it takes the standardized test philosophy the act the s.a.t i would just basic skills we all grew up having to fill out our little over was making sure to stay inside the lines are number two let pencils and so on and so forth is the idea that these tests can test

07:37 reasoning process at all they can't what they're doing is there providing you with a preselected list of answers. That you have to choose from these answers oftentimes punish the student that is much more aware, are the subtleties of certain things than the test makers themselves so that's the first problem but the second problem is that common cause assessment process supposedly takes this standardized tests to a new level by making the test questions individually adaptive and responsive to the way the student answers the previous question. Alright, so in other words we're looking at the standardized tests on steroids because like all such things these are proprietary

08:29 property you cannot go in and look at the algorithms that people involved in setting up these tests and so on and so forth. So again, you as a test taker are put into even more insidious box of having to read the mind of the test preparers and guess their answers my classic example of what's the standardized test the problem with standardised test is first of all it's designed to reinforce an official narrative let me give you an example. You might encounter on a standardized test who assassinated president john f kennedy well the answer is lee harvey oswald right but will those tests ever give you the option of selecting from say and answer that would say conspiracy involving

09:22 a coalescence of interests involving anti-Castro Cubans, disenfranchised elements of the American intelligence community or what have you. Because once you get into that kind of question then you're required to not only know about research but be able to argue the case. Well these tests do do not allow you to argue your process of reasoning for anything. They simply make you a passive regurgitator of answers that they have preselected and that you simply select as the proper response, right? And they would argue this is all scientific where we go into lot of detail about some of these test questions that have appeared on previous tests and there are anything but

10:08 You know you might be able to come up with the correct answer in a mathematics question but again part of driving that answer is. Show how you drive it i mean that's part of the mathematical process itself as part of mathematical proof so its not simply selecting and answering showing how you reason to that answer And none of these tests do that. So Common Core puts this all on steroids by making it individually adaptable, your responses individually adaptable to the individual student you know so this This to me is the indicator that it is a huge data mining operation number one and number two what's the standardized test particularly in this instance where its individually adapted. What does means is that the test itself becomes kind of loyalty tests do you accept the standard narrative are you capable

11:04 Knowing it and regurgitating or do you not so. You know there's any number of ways to look at this but the bottom line is for us system massive expansion, add the surveillance state and its handing over in the guys education to these testing corporations mountains of data which again are proprietary to them. They can in turn use that data, sell it and so on and so forth. So as far as we're concerned it's a huge huge scam! I'm right there with you cheers to that and i love the old george carlin line that they just want obedient workers and i think it's the best term for what they're trying to turn out yeah and uh... you know i got some friends a lot of people do who might be in the teaching profession. And i thought about as i was going through this book how would they respond to some of these things

11:55 Really the question that I think they don't ask that you do in the book is when was the last time? That a teacher went went to a seminar or something to study their actual discipline as opposed to The new standard for how they're supposed to quote manage their class right exactly exactly American quack a dm is focused on what i consider the clap trap of educational methodology so in other words school districts will pay you to go to conferences or require unions and many cases. Just stay after school and attend the latest workshop where

12:31 You basically are subjected to all sorts of childish activities that are passive aggressive in nature designed to make you be a team player and all this you know codswallop but basically, you would be hard pressed to find the teacher say i teach english. that would be paid to go attend a conference in the latest scholarship and literary criticism. Or the latest findings on such and such an author you know i'm scholarly research or if your mathematics teacher going to a conference of mathematicians hearing the latest papers mathematics they're not interested in other words, can the content of the disciplines that she was supposed to teach what they are interested is making the teacher any kind of

13:20 equivalent to a paralegal in other words the teachers now kind of license parapsychiatrist who gets their certification and applying the latest psychological educational series in the classroom and that's what they spend most of their time with these conferences quote unquote learning to do. Again for me this is a clear sign that american education Is failing simply because you know english teacher is there to teach english not to teach the latest psychological theory so i don't know. This is the other big problem that we're facing with all of this clap track, there's another thing since you raised this issue that we learned about after the book came out at teacher email me

14:05 and said that she is absolutely refusing to go along with common core because it also stipulates a universal kind of lesson plan for the teachers in her school district so whether or not this teacher's students are ready at a certain time to progress on to the next level of whatever discipline they're supposedly studying, she's mandated to proceed regardless. So in other words you know what teacher can teach in an atmosphere like that? This is just another example of the centralization mania that is afflicting this country and we know that centralization doesn't work for the simple reason that every group of human beings from elementary school classrooms

14:50 all the way up to wall street every group of human beings is going to respond differently so you know the whole thing is shot through with all these assumptions that as far as we're concerned just mean that, the whole thing is a huge scam it's not going to fix anything the only thing its going to do. Is make these companies even richer at the public trough yeah well said and those are pretty telling elements and Let's look at some of the people and the money behind this thing, because people tend to think philanthropists like Bill Gates and their foundations who fund education are doing charitable works. Just the best altruistic stuff but... Oh, of course! What are the red flags that you see that tell you there is a deeper agenda here? They don't have our best interest at heart Well first of all The idea that these foundations are philanthropic is the first problem

15:44 What these foundations are and we have a chapter in the book about foundations themselves, and how they arose and what they really do. What they do education is the act as gatekeepers for the officially approved narratives what they do and they find those who agree with those narratives and withdraw funding or keep finding from those who don't. So this is the first problem the second problem with these foundations and this isn't observation that was not made by us it was actually made by the council of the Reese committee in the US House of Representatives back in 1950s that was investigating foundations, a fellow by the name of Renee Wormser. And Wormser made the observation that what these foundations in effect are are the way that the wealthy can retain control over their wealth

16:36 while putting them into a special chartered entity that avoids taxation because these are non-profit entities so it gives them a huge amount of power and he made the observation that because of this phenomenon. the closest analog to them were the medieval military orders like the Templars or the Hospitallers, or then the Teutonic Knights. Because what were they? Well they were essentially tax-exempt charitable foundations that allowed the intergenerational accumulation of capital on one hand and allowed the people that were members of that order, or in this case foundation to control the uses of that capital and to drive political agendas. I look at Mr Gates and his backing of Common Core with a very jaundiced skeptical eye for the very simple reason that again under the computerized individually adaptive assessment process which is standardized testing on steroids now

17:40 What is really doing is driving an agenda simply designed to put more and more profits into his computer technology companies that's all it is so this is not an education solution there's even a case that we put in the book of a common core conference get together where they invited everybody except guess what teachers are like, they invite administrators and superintendents and principles and so on and so forth but no teachers because of course thats where the rubber meets the road and most teachers i've talked to you are. Simply appalled at what they see in common core so again

18:23 You know i really question whether or not these foundations really are philanthropic to begin with i think all along they've been designed to promote the agendas of the super rich and you know we see where that's lettuce Yeah, not only is it better for them in terms of expanding wealth and power as well as limiting liability. They also get the PR currency for all these quote noble deeds that nobody ever looks deeper on exactly so if we go back a few years and look at who laid the foundation For what? We have now and who should be holding responsible You paint a nice bold target on this Wilhelm Wundt character as well as John Dewey Can you talk to us about them a bit and some of the history here?

19:09 Well, this is very crucial for people to understand why American education and I'll be just very blunt here. Why American education sucks! Will help was basically one of the founders not only a psychology. But educational psychology and his philosophy was that if we were going to put psychology on any sort of scientific footing at all we had to be able to reduce it too. A materialistic Approach because only the material in that kind of nifty cartesian dualism between matter and mind could be measured you know the mind was something that was personal subjective. And all of that it couldn't be measured you couldn't take out a tape measure and measure so he began for one of the better expression the materialistic turn in psychology

20:06 And he set up a laboratory at the university of leipzig in prussia at the time and began to turn out students that he had trained in this approach to psychology and basically it's very important remember that was one of his students Because what took the approach that because of the fact that then raining scientific paradigm was materialism that humanity itself human being as an individual and humanity is a collective. Was basically a stimulus response mechanism, So in other words the educator had to design appropriate environments in the classroom and this is why teacher certification here is now important. And why suggested earlier that the teachers nothing but kind of a parapsychologist and in this view because the teacher is supposed to designed, the most apt stimulus response environment for the student to learn so there's your turn

21:06 away from the content of the discipline to a focus on the methodology of actually communicating that discipline in that context. So he trains a whole generation either directly or through people that he has trained who then train others, who influence American education at the end of the 19th century and all the way on into the 20th. And I would even include people like George S. Connors or James Bryant Conant of Harvard University or even Henry Chauncey who sets up the educational testing service in Princeton as people that were imbibed with this philosophy of humanity as a stimulus response mechanism. It works out very well if you have that philosophy for Madison Avenue and Wall Street, because you're creating a generation of consumers rather than people who can think critically about anything

22:04 So it's had a huge, huge effect on American education. Now you mentioned Dewey but there is a whole host of other people we could mention here Thorndike the fellow that I forget his name was Abraham Exner I think was his name that set up his own kind of progressive education school where he wanted to test some of these ideas and he called it the Lincoln School, to give it a nice patriotic sounding American name. And we bring out the fact that John D Rockefeller sent his three sons David Lawrence and Nelson Aldrich to this school where as a result of their experience all three of the Rockefeller brothers had difficulty reading

22:52 they don't enjoy reading. In fact, they find it tedious and difficult." Well I'm sorry if you're a member of the elite and you've sent your kids to that kind of school then here ending up with a stupid elite! We are in an election cycle that certainly is proving that to be the point. They have surrounded themselves with their own philosophy to the point where they can't even think outside their own narratives anymore So this is the other danger of common core i think in the whole progressive education philosophy the materialism that underlies it you're basically. To paraphrase csl as your turning out a whole generation of men without chest so in order to have man without virtues or moral principles anything like that

23:41 And that is, to my mind, that's the crucial component of being able to think critically about anything. About a narrative and so on and so forth. So it has had a huge effect this Wilhelm Wundt character. The interesting thing here we have to ask ourselves Greg is why would American educators at that time use an example of Prussian education not we're not even just talking you know imperial will help me in germany here were talking prussian for the whole philosophy of education underwent was returning out people to be good and obedient there's that keyword and loyal products for this state because the state is all consuming the state is all powerful depression model why would americans turn to that model

24:38 as a thing that they want to model american education why did they abandon the tradition. That we had inherited from you know the oxford universities in england and which, play the huge role in setting up our own big name university is harvard yale princeton so on why would we abandoned that tradition for something inherently alien to our philosophy of government to our philosophy of culture to our understanding individual liberties and so on and so forth why would we do that. And the answer is when you read these people they really do believe in that question, philosophy they really have abandoned their commitment to that anglo-saxon tradition of individuals skeptical critical inquiry

25:27 So, you know it's staring us right in the face if we stop and think about the obvious part of it. Well said and I do love that Rockefeller anecdote because for once it looks like they actually got a little bit of a taste of their own medicine. And yeah, it's nice to see that once in awhile but I guess you know you kind of alluded this but it does seem like that has shown itself in the game plan today they don't seem to be quite as nimble or effective in some ways or at least as quick to be able to pivot as they once were wouldn't you say? Right Well, yes I would agree with you wholeheartedly. Several years ago on the late George Ann Hughes' radio show called The Byte Show, i pointed out that the so-called elite

26:16 Really seems to be very very stupid in other words they are using the same playbook because they don't know anything else they have done themselves down in the process of dumbing everybody else. To the point and this is something that the catering fits made me aware of last year, last year in july the economist magazine in great britain which you know most people think of as a b magazine of record for the british oligarchy alright well last july in two thousand fifteen the economist magazine ran an op ed piece about the calcification this is their words not mine the classification of the american political class.

27:00 And the effect of the article was you're kidding, you're running Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton again? You know can't you guys come up with something different. Well the answer is no because our own political elite has been calcified it can think outside its own construct and its own box. The election that we are seeing now as far as I'm concerned is really a referendum It's not an election in any classic sense it's really a referendum on do we want more of this global centralization and these idiots running the world and. Running according to a paradigm that never been tested or proven, and seems to be breaking down under the strain order we want something different

27:44 I really look at it that way and if you factor in education here, and the materialist turn that it took in the 19th century. I think what you're looking at is the collapse of that materialist philosophy these people are clinging to it greg doggedly when science itself particularly quantum physics is increasingly pointing not toward a material privacy but really towards the privacy of mind and consciousness itself so why would we stick to build gates and

28:21 these other people that are advocating the same old same old on steroids and not reassess the basic philosophical principles. That have led to this educational mess but you know as far as i'm concerned greg, the way to solve it is first of all get rid of the requirement for teacher certification It is to the point you know i have a phd from the oldest english speaking university in the english speaking world. I accidentally that universities never been accredited by any american accreditation agency thank goodness but i cannot go into high school classroom,

29:03 and teach American history or European history, because I don't have a teaching certificate from some teacher's college where I spend time learning the latest educational claptrap and playing silly games. Quite literally that is oftentimes what these courses consist of – playing games. we have to examine the whole structure as far as were concerned and this is really kind of what we are going in the book. We have to examine the whole structure itself, and you know where in basic agreement with john taylor goto you know the famous american teacher that's written so many books yes he's you know he's come right out and said the whole system has to be completely scrapped no amount of money

29:49 is going to fix this because the assumptions and the institutions put into place on the basis of those assumptions are completely fallacious. Yeah, I mean the elite are getting what they pay for they built this thing to churn out obedient workers and it's working just great! Yeah you know now we have bank managers that can't balance a checkbook You know so it's no wonder that we have trillions of dollars unaccounted for the pentagon or in this bank or that bank because when you're dealing with stupid people. the immoral people, the greedy people, the criminal class can thrive. Right? And that can be a silver lining or an even scarier assertion depending on your perspective. Precisely! So we have this campaign to dumb us down and then we could also throw in this element of drugging us down which is something that happened later right yeah well we don't talk about that much in the book but that's quite true

30:50 I mean, I have known and dealt with people that are genuinely ADHD adult attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. I've met and dealt with people like that so i do think it does exist however I think the other problem here is that basically, and this is particularly true of little boys less so little girls but. Basically they're diagnosing simple you know young male behavior all the time as ADHD and their drugging these kids with all sorts of stuff that basically turns them into zombies not in contact with their emotions not in contact with your thoughts

31:35 And above all not able to reason or think critically this goes back to why i always insisted as a professor on giving essay exams because it's in the active writing that you learn the art and craft. analyzing a position and arguing either against it or for your own position or for that position or what have you send me act of writing. That's actually reason something not simply spitting out an answer that the student is having to guess that the professor or teacher or some hidden committee compiling test questions, first standardized tests wants

32:19 So for me the critical thing as a professor back when i was teaching what should be able to see if someone was genuinely engaged intellectually with the subject matter and able to understand it and argue position based on the facts and data that they had been presented. That for me was the key element, and you can't get that on a standardized test and certainly can't get it on a test that is now computerized individually adaptive according to the latest psychological theory by committee of tests compilers in Princeton New Jersey or in Seattle Washington or wherever

32:57 Right, and the almighty infallible system. It's like... Yes exactly! Using the teachers as scapegoats and trying to say you know the reason schools suck is because these teachers there are no standards. The teachers oh yeah exactly it's all the teacher's fault And if anything what this system has done Greg it has created what I call the subversive teacher and a subversive student Because there are and if your teacher listening to this and you probably have experienced this in your own career because the system dictates, do you that you have to do such and such by such a time. And get such and such a result on such and such a standardized test and realize at some point when you're in the classroom teaching a group of people

33:48 that this is simply not going to work for these people so you teach your discipline to the best that you can and it's in those subversive moments usually between classes that she had with students who are beginning to ask, the right kind of questions and question what is going on in the system that you have those conversations. That expose the whole thing so another words you're creating underground here that is trying to preserve what's left of the Western civilization and its traditions of education by content, discipline and critical reasoning ability. But you're working against a system that is designed not to do that so you are literally creating a black market for these things I suspect eventually that's what's going to happen You're gonna have a massive black market of private tutors

34:42 people that can afford it and want their kids to learn something. And learn a value and the other thing with this system does not be quite frank and i saw this over and over again when i was teaching the other thing that the system does is, it produces waves of boredom tidal waves tsunamis of boredom right because most students are talked to at such a stupid level by the system that they know they're being taught down to I can't tell you how many times i heard when i was a professor greg. You know students would come up to me after the end of course or something and say something to the effect that your first real professor i've had

35:28 because I insisted at teaching at a genuinely collegiate level and not the dumbed down level. that most professors now teach at in this country because the product that they're getting from the public education system is so colossally stupid. Witness and case in point, the student who can't spell Versailles correctly when I spelled it correctly in the test question itself. It just don't make a connection. Yeah, in terms of the pharmaceutical initiative that has got to be one of the best things that my parents did for me was reject those attempts to get me on that Adderall train because they were there. And I have a note here that seems kind of disjointed maybe connected to that pharmaceutical initiative to ask you about The Society for the Investigation of Human Oncology? Oh my! This might be where some deeper nefarious agendas show up I think

36:26 Oh yeah, absolutely. That was a CIA front back in the 1950s that was a CIA front for the mind control projects you know Project Artichoke MK Ultra and things like this that were set up they in turn approached The educational testing service you know that huge non-profit conglomerate but squats like you know, cancer in the middle of the american education system founded by henry johnson and kind of wet nurse into existence by james brian conan to harvard university.

37:05 During the fifties and of course educational testing service is the service that owns. The scholastic aptitude test you know one of the famous standardized tests in this country will they approach to the educational testing service to see if, the service could design for them various tests related personality and so on and so forth so another words whatever the details of this association are The implication here is that the CIA recognized the power of the tool, standardized testing as a tool of social engineering and therefore mind manipulation. Now I mentioned that because we point out in the book that this was really the reason

37:56 That henry chon say wanted to find the educational testing service he and james brian conant. Add the idea that well we need to create a new kind of aristocracy in this country and aristocracy of merit. And where did i go search for the best and brightest people are gonna give them better education than the kind of education giving everybody else and the way to do this is to test I'm a national level and the quote unquote test scientifically enter the standardized test. In other words the test itself becomes a sorting mechanism you get certain scores eligible for certain scholarships your eligible for entrance into this major university instead of that little university out there, in the plains of the midwest somewhere and so on and so forth so it becomes a tool of the american oligarchy

38:51 to perpetuate their power and bring other people in the problem is of course that they selected. What can only be called a kind of computerized for knowledge to be able to do this you know the old idea that you could measure persons metal capacity by taking calipers and measuring the brain. It's interesting to me because they even adopted the Iowa test of basic skills at one point, I remember seeing this as a kid would have these calibers, these phrenology calibers as part of its logo stamped right on the test so you know they've adopted a very blunt measurement instrument here to try and identify the more gifted students

39:37 Illustration of this fact we point out in the book a number of sample test questions from the nineteen sixties, in science particularly in physics which is kind of my you know my daily work. Where are the answers on the s.a.t that the educational testing service wanted were quite patiently and simply wrong ok, add they were taken to task at the time by a mathematician by name of banish hoffman wrote a wonderful book called the fallacy of testing alright And hoffman just let you know who he was he was a member of the institute for advanced study is a personal friend of albert einstein so this guy's no fly by night. Can he just absolutely savages the educational testing service on some of these questions but it points out in one case,

40:28 He had a student who had taken the SAT and also taken a test, standardized test for national merit scholarship. In which the word intentionally appeared in a list of words which they were to identify as being misspelled and the word intentionally was misspelled with an S alright And the Educational Testing Service, of course wanted the students to identify this as the misspelled word. But the problem was this student was smart. This student had read the works of S.I. Hayakawa on The Nature Of Symbolic Logic and so on and so forth where Hayakawa had intentionally misspelled that word to create a word

41:18 that had a very specific technical meaning. So in other words, the word wasn't misspelled and the student knew that it wasn't misspelled. He just knew more than the test preparers at the educational testing service! Wow wow Yeah you see so this is the problem You can have a committee of experts and there's always going to be some fallacy of the footnote somewhere That a bright student is going to be punished for knowing on the basis of these standardized tests. Because it puts them into the position of having to guess, do they know this or do they not know this? And if they don't know this then I select this answer but if they do know this then I select another answer So its not a scientific measure of students intelligence It's only a measure whether or not they can guess what is in mind of committee that they dont even know

42:20 And now Bill Gates wants to put all of this on computers and make the questions themselves individually adaptable by some algorithms and theories of some anonymous committee? No. No, no, no. Boom! There it is man So to get a little bit deeper and maybe also tie this into some other work that you've done, I've heard you discuss the fairly complex elements where we see the larger transhumanist agenda as well as a tie-in of ancient esoteric doctrine playing a huge role in the changes that they're making to us through the schooling system. Maybe you can elaborate on that a bit and help us understand this deeper crossroads?

43:03 Well i'm not quite certain as to what you're getting at but my fear is that with this idea of individually adaptive computerized standardized test that what they are building out, is basically two things there driving to means into society. The first name is if it appears on a computer screen its true Which would be you know the twenty first century equivalent of if walter cronkite said it on cbs evening news its true okay where is the new york times says it's true alright now we see that mass media paradigm that held sway throughout the latter half of the twentieth century breaking down. What is being substituted in his place is a bit on the internet it's true,

43:56 If it's on an ebook its true and so on and so forth so they're driving that mean in other words there driving a dependency, i'm machines and their driving a kind of intellectual passivity before. The agenda here but the other thing that you doing in my mind greg is there also trying to create By means of driving that mean and into society they're trying to create the acceptability of the merger of man in machine. And it's me that is the most disturbing thing because you see the transhumanist wanting to implant people with microchips and so on and so forth or download and upload memories into computers so they can have their virtual immortality all this happy nonsense

44:48 Can you that's the most frightening thing because in that kind of environment what your taking out of the learning process itself is there human mentor teacher professor whatever you're taking out of the process human element and you're substituting a very mechanistic. Element your reducing the student to a machine you reducing the student to an algorithm and this is what i find, do be there real hard of the problem here And if we can go a step further and envision this philosophy in place say the next century well why even bother having school where you interact with other human beings why not just learn online at home there some places doing already.

45:36 There are some places, you know they're not building libraries full of old-fashioned things called books and where you're interacting with other old fashioned things like students and teachers. You're doing this all online. I've got news for people. I write all these books but most of the information that are in my books you cannot find on the internet They're in old books. They're in obscure books. They're in books that you have to literally buy and mark and read So there are also the other transhumanist impulse. The third thing I think they're driving here is they are attempting by means of all of this to cut people off from their own culture and tradition, and to me that is the central core of the problem because in the absence of a culture and tradition basically anything goes

46:29 Yeah well said those definitely are major problems and you know those old physical books can't be changed the way digital kindle books can they go. Bingo yeah i tell people all the time greg that the only canonical version Another is the only authoritative version of my books is the printed hard copy. It is not three you know i format my books myself on my computer to look a certain way on the page And that's all eradicated on an e-book. And more importantly, on an e-book if you're using that as your source what page do you cite? What is the page number it's on? It changes everything and I was taught when you are citing things use sites specifically as possible so this is the other thing they are doing in American education. I've ranted and raved about this a lot

47:30 The standards now for citation of a text, the so-called MLA or AP style manuals would not have been acceptable when I was going to public school as an accurate citation. When i cite is the author it's the publisher is the place of publication was the year that its published the addition if there and the precise page. On which you can find either the point i'm referencing or the quotation i'm using, But modern methods of citation oftentimes, particularly in education departments believe it or not don't require you to cite the page. You simply cite the author and the year and then you have to flip back to the biography and there you find low behold your citing a five hundred page book just telling the poor person on the other hand go read this five hundred pages but it's in their somewhere no to me this is

48:31 If I were to have received or submitted a paper like that when i was in high school, guess what grade I would've received for it? Not a good one. Not a good one! Mrs Connors in my world lit class and Lincoln Senior High School and Sioux Falls South Dakota would have handed that paper back to me with a great big red letter F and rightly so. But this is how the standards have changed since I was going to school to what's happening now. Students aren't even aware of the fact that what they're being taught in terms of citations itself is slipshod, they're not even aware that there was another method

49:17 that demanded extreme accuracy from citation. And the reason it demanded it is that's just common courtesy. We're devolving on all sides, man! Yes we are. Another note I had here about where this might tie into, potentially the elite belief systems is that they want to reverse the stages of esoteric man or the levels of Adam and return to androgyny. Can you get into that a little bit? Well, that's not something we actually covered in The Common Core book but I had a co-author in a book his name was Dr Scott DeHart he's also an education

50:00 We wrote a book called Transhumanism and the subtitle is A Grimoire of Alchemical Agendas because there's a basic kind of esoteric doctrine of mankind that you find in various esoteric systems and we kinda had to boil it all down but basically there's four stages of the devolution of man, this is very important for people to understand the ancient cosmological system as opposed to modern one was not a system evolution but a devolution. evolution assumes you know eternal upward progress the survival of the fittest and so on and so forth devolution. Assumes that we were once much higher in terms of our intellectual capacity than we are now, so there is actually four stages in that conceptual scaffolding for the devolution of man

50:53 At the top and most advanced stage there was this idea of the android giant in other words mankind in his truest form combined both sexes into kind of a chemical creature. And then mankind begins to fall so to speak into materiality And during that fall of course the sexes become divided so the next lower stage would be mineral man you know the fall into. Inner matter and then the next stage lower than that would be vegetable man and then the lowest stage would be animal which is what we are now alright

51:34 So you have in that ancient cosmological view, if you look at it carefully there are certain features of it that resemble the modern one. In that there's a kind of immaterial pre-existence and then you have the beginning of inert matter Then you have the appearance of simple life in the form of vegetative life and then you have the emergence of more complex life so in that sense it does resemble the modern cosmology But if you look carefully at some of the esoteric doctrines, and in particular alchemy what you see is an attempt to reascend the ladder and go back up to the state of androgyny which is the highest expression of man. Well I suspect although again I want to stress here Greg that I have no evidence for this but I suspect

52:30 that what lurks behind the drive of so many people in the progressive movement in various countries Is there a solid core of people who have a very different agenda from what they're telling people publicly and that's what they're trying to do. Is to socially engineer society in order to reach back and achieve that state of androgynous consciousness i think this is what driving. This war against the sexes,

53:05 Be it male or female i know what i said sex is not gender that's another little fast switcheroo they've played on us you know i remember feeling out forms when i was a kid, what your sex are you male or female but now its gender and gender is a linguistic property of not sexual there's genders in the inflected languages like greek or latin russian german. Where spanish french and so on sexuality is very different So they're pulling a kind of fast one with this gender agenda because what they're trying to do in my opinion is engineer a kind of sex free or, to put it even more accurately androgynous consciousness. And that I find very disturbing because once you get people to accept this

53:57 Get them living in a world of linguistic virtual reality rather than in the real world then you severed people away from my morning that. Can anchor them in reality and your creating situation for almost anything goes this to me is very disturbing you see it almost everywhere now, And to me, sexuality is one of those things that grounds you in reality. In fact it's probably the thing that grounds you in reality. So I find that whole agenda very, very... Don't take me wrong here. I'm not against gay people or transgendered people or anything like that. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying this linguistic agenda of theirs is ultimately going to hurt everybody, no matter where you fall on the sexual spectrum. That's my point. It's a linguistic agenda. It's the creation of a kind of virtual reality that benefits no one in the long run. Yeah man!

54:59 Well said and that high octane speculation that kind of stuff. That is the sweet spot for me It's a bit over my head at times, but so interesting and I like the way you break that stuff down So I want to get into your other book that came out this year But before we close out on the education topic What sort of advice would you have for teachers or even parents who are being? Made aware of these problems and need some better options for their kids Well, the first thing I would advise is we are to the point. I think socially and culturally and as a civilization where we are just going to have to stand up and say no We're fast approaching the time that we are going to have to make some very hefty decisions on what were willing to die for And i'm putting it that bluntly because I believe the crisis is fast approaching that state of profundity

55:53 But the other thing I think that people, once you've made that determination that you're just going to stand up and say no to all of this. That's the next thing you have to do is start to organize how can we resist all of this in a way that is so-to-speak particularly in this country constitutionally approved? And the way I would suggest is that individual states now need to appoint special attorneys, prosecutors or whatever you wish to call them that will on the basis of 10th and 14th amendment and so on and so forth assert the right state sovereignty against federal mandates. Whatever federal mandates may come down in all these huge omnibus bills that nobody in congress reads these have to be challenged all the way up to the Supreme Court just tie them

56:54 in litigation we saw something of that effort with obama care. But as far as i'm concerned they rolled over way too early with that they should keep harping on that but every other federal mandate you know the forced vaccinations, Common Core. Everything that is tied to a federal mandate of how states must spend their money should now be tied up in litigation absolutely. That to me is the most practical way in the short term that i think we can respond to some of this stuff and start fighting this trend towards massive global centralization which as we can see isn't working anywhere. It's not working in europe it's not working here, it didn't work in russia the Russians learned that lesson so you know they're the ones

57:49 crying the loudest lately about this trend towards Mr. Global and letting multinational corporations run everything, over and over you're hearing from Russia that no there is the sovereign nation is not obsolete thank you very much Mr Rockefeller and Mr Brzezinski and by golly we're going to stick to it and we are gonna defend our country and we are gonna defend our culture! And incidentally isn't interesting that Russia is playing host to this year's international homeschooling conference russia now turn the clock back thirty years folks and ask yourself if that would have been possible in breslin or chernyanka or drop off store even mr garbage officer no certainly not so in other words it's like we're in this upside down world here

58:43 The United States is looking progressively more and more like the United Socialist States of America, the U.S.S.A., and Russia even proudly display the Romanov eagle on their flags half the time. Russia has embarked on this weird new experiment in culture and nationhood a kind of post-postmodern experiment as I like to call it. So, you know we're just looking at this huge inversion that's taking place. Yeah you're right it does seem quite backwards! The whole schooling system does and seems like we have to resort to handing out those secret passwords to the underground educational speakeasies before too long

59:29 Yes, I definitely think that's coming. Already homeschooling has grown in this country enormously in the past few years. What is going to happen eventually...I met a teacher just three weeks ago that told me that she quit teaching because she just could not stand common core. Because she had to conform to a lesson plan schedule that she hadn't even made for her own students now when you don't tell me that you can centralize things to that point so what happens is your driving out the good teachers from education system and trust me eventually the people that can afford it

1:00:17 are going to start picking up those teachers and you're going to see a collapse of the system simply due to market pressures. Because this system that we have now, that we've erected since the turn of the late 19th century... This system isn't working! It's producing a bumper crop of stupid people who are more focused on the latest football game then they are on the Constitution or on physics or mathematics, literature or music. And by music incidentally folks I don't mean the latest band you know? I mean something going back a couple hundred years right so we have a bumper crop of idiots in this country and more and more i think that people that have the money recognize this

1:01:09 And they're simply pulling their kids out of this public education nightmare. And again, that's that comes down to just saying no. Amen! You said it man so to segue over into hidden finance rogue networks and secret sorcery the fascist international 9-11 and penetrated operations I have to say that doing a show like this over the years i've gotten a little bit of 9-11 fatigue whether Whether by accident or design or a little bit of both Hillary Clinton Donald Trump fatigue. I know oh, yeah Yeah, touché and you know after having dr Judy wood here and making her case for exotic energy weapons being used on the Twin Towers I kind of expected to close the books on it for a while But you dig up some really interesting stuff in your investigation It's got to be talked about and it can be complex but

1:02:01 Just give us a little overview of the Joseph Farrell approach to the 9-11 events. Well, my approach is essentially similar to other 9-11 truth researchers but my conclusions are very very different in any criminal investigation particularly where murder is involved you want to know what the murder weapon is right and in the case of The Twin Towers if you look at the 9-11 truth community There has been literally an inability of people to talk to each other civilly. You mentioned Dr Judy Wood, well there are

1:02:39 some people out there in the 9-11 truth community that absolutely hate her for proposing the idea. Right, we should be on the same side! Yeah and how she manages to keep her head and remain courteous of these people I just don't know but But they've come up with some of the most ludicrous criticisms of her. I read one guy proposing the model of mini-nukes as a mechanism for the destruction of twin towers, just absolutely raking her over the coals because she didn't provide a model for how she thought this exotic energy weaponry would work. My question back to him is

1:03:20 Explain to me how a mini-nuke works. What's the critical mass? What's the nuclear fuel? What's the neutron cross section, what's the half life and so on and so forth?" And they'd never do this! So you know it's tit for tat as far as i'm concerned what she is trying to do simply propose a model that she thinks makes sense of certain amounts the evidence in the same with many new people on the same with control demolition people and so on and so forth my approach to the question of the murder weapon is that why must we conclude when we have evidence for all of these models and all of these models have certain problems also. So my approach is, it's kind of like the old Agatha Christie novel Murder on the Orient Express you know they made a movie out this with Peter Ustinov

1:04:13 And at the end of the movie, you know like all Agatha Christie books. The detective in this case Erku Paru gets everybody together in a room and gives the solution. You know wraps it all up in a neat tidy package with a bow on it Well in the case of murder on the Orient Express what she had was a case of everybody murdering the victim but using a different way to do it So in other words, this to me describes the 9-11 truth community perfectly because they've all assumed that there's only one level of deeper player involved in 9-11 and therefore the murder weapon must reflect that player. What I'm suggesting is that even at the deep level

1:05:03 of the operation that you might have been dealing with a penetrated operation and there might be even deeper levels then a second level road network operating inside the american government. And how would they signal their presence well if they penetrate an operation, In which they knew that some of the mechanisms to take down between towers would be either control demolitions or nano thermite or many new channel three. The three standard ones that most nine eleven truth is except how would you signal your presence to that group,

1:05:42 And pin it to its own plan like a chess pin. Well you do so by using a technology that signal to that group that planned and orchestrated the event, that signaled to them but they were facing another player that had just revealed itself okay and this is what i think actually happens you have I think enough signatures of some sort of exotic technology there at 9-11 that fall outside the three standard mechanisms of controlled demolitions, be it standard explosives nanothermite or mini nukes. I do think that Dr Wood is absolutely correct on this so the real question is what does

1:06:27 signify in terms of the perpetrators well to me it's signifies that you're dealing with three levels not two, you're dealing with the past season over the people flying airplanes into buildings. Add a deeper level you're dealing with a road network within the american intelligence community that had the capacity. Who planned the event and to plant control demolitions or had access to many nukes are nano thermite and so on and so forth, what's their goal well there is to do exactly what happened to inject america power into the middle east

1:07:04 This is what they did but the problem there is as i've always thought greg is you wouldn't have needed to destroy those buildings. You would only have needed to severely damaged in order to create enough of a, climate of opinion to inject american power in that way it's when the buildings come down with whatever exotic technology that brings them down, that you're dealing with a penetrated operation and particularly i think if doctor what is correct. And i have to thank she is not you know i've been here today exotic weaponry hypothesis myself since nine eleven happened you know i watched it happen

1:07:46 So that was my first thought when i saw what happened so you know she's not alone she certainly is kinda out there alone on her own trying to defend the hypothesis but she certainly not the only one that advocated it. There was another gentleman that did so years before she published your book and then he later retracted but you know i review what he said in my book very carefully so I'm looking at a hair cool Agatha Christie murder on the Orient Express type of thing where everybody is in on the movie but they're in on the murder I should say.

1:08:26 Using a different murder weapon. I really find this penetration pretty exciting i guess like most penetrations but you know to break down the three levels of sale level one we have the pasties the hijackers the official narrative Level two we have the planners from within the American military apparatus. There's got to be some and then thirdly this fascist International right group who seemed to flip the script on the other two right at some point That is the best and most succinct summary of the position I take in the reason and people are gonna think fascists They're they're gonna think what in the name of sense is he talking about? Well in researching the 9-11

1:09:15 Phenomenon i noticed something that again just mystifies me the nine eleven truth community researchers don't pursue you know i found this in doing the jfk book right whenever they're confronted with a mysterious fascist connection what do they do they don't investigate. So let's look at what that connection is. And most people, you know when I found this Greg my jaw...I literally was sitting here in my place no one else is in the room and I just said out loud You're kidding me! And I dug a little deeper and I thought again you've got to be kidding

1:09:55 So I'm just putting out there what i found. Let's begin with what happens after 9-11 when the 9-11 truth community goes into full skepticism mode of the official narrative One of the first things that they find, a fellow by the name of Douglas Hopsicker did a book called Terrorland. It's all about the flight school that Mohammed Atta and some of his cohorts attended in Venice Florida. He found first of all

1:10:32 quotation by the then british prime minister tony blair where blair said that al qaeda is nothing but a global network ok. Now global network implies something right off the bat number one financing number two organization and number three deep connections so who could be now when he says networking could have said power but he doesn't say anything to indicate that it's a particular nation involved, be it the Saudis, the Israelis, the Russians, United States. Nobody! He just says network. So I dig a little further and find an interesting quotation by Russian economist by the name of Dr Tatiana Koryagina that appeared in Pravda. Jim Mars dug this one up

1:11:25 And she stated and this was approximately i think a couple of months before nine eleven. And again my memories are little foggy it may have been a couple months after but in any case within the window she says that united states is going to be attacked on its own soil, any kind of fake terrorist attack but really it's coming from a group. A small group very powerful people in network she calls which has an excess of thirty trillion dollars at its disposal, to recreate the world the way they want. Pretty on-the-nose? Yeah, pretty on the nose I'm thinking okay here we have Tony Blair says it's a network and we have a Russian economist writing in Pravda that says it's a network! Okay?! It is not a country so in other words were dealing there right off the bat with a kind of prima facie indication that there's a third level to this thing that exceeds

1:12:27 any particular nation state player including rogue groups within American intelligence. Now they can certainly be connected to that third network, we're going to get to that so I'm reading Daniel Hopsicker's book called Murder in Terrorland or something...I forget the exact title of the book right off the top my head excellent book Hopsicker goes down and he investigates the flight school in Venice Florida and he investigates none other than Mohammed Atta okay? he points out something that floored me. He points out that most of Muhammad Atta's friends that would come to visit him weren't Arabs, they were people with names like Jürgen, Hans, Wolfgang and so on! So you know my suspicion needle immediately begins to creep into the yellow zone

1:13:22 So I do a little more digging and you discover that Mohammed Atta comes to this country from, guess where? He comes to this country from Hamburg Germany. Where he had been living for a number of years with an unnamed, nobody to my knowledge has named this German couple in a middle class neighborhood in Hamburg Germany Dig a little further. You find that Mohammed Atta was recruited by, again an anonymous German couple when he was in Cairo. Well recruited for what? And why Germans?

1:13:59 you know, why not the Muslim Brotherhood? Why not the Saudis and the Wahhabis. Why not Hamas? Why not Hezbollah?" But no! Germans! Now to me right there Greg what this should have sparked in the 9-11 truth community was a tremendous amount of curiosity. Why is that connection there and why has nobody investigated. Well I'll tell you why they probably did do a little investigating but were a little hesitant to go there dig a little further into Mohammed Atta and you discover that during his years in Germany he was sponsored by a society called the Carl Duisburg Gazelle Shop, and when i found that Greg the suspicion needle went from yellow to red right okay on my suspicion meter

1:14:55 Because carl does bird was one of the founding members he was the head of buyer during world war one okay that should tell you what this guy is he becomes a founding member. I g farben and sits on the board ok now, This means that Mohammed Atta is being sponsored in Germany by a society named for one of the founders of IG Farben. So my suspicion meter goes a little further into the red zone. It's got to, yeah!

1:15:32 And you dig into the Carl Duisburg Society and you find, oh it's a wonderful society sponsored by people like Bill Clinton and Henry Kissinger. All these big German industrialists and so on and so forth. So we have a society sponsoring Mohammed Ada named after an IG Farbenzadeh member that is connected to all of these let us be honest here globalists alright? So I dig a little further. I find out that there's a banker involved in all of this by the name of Francois Genoud, G-E-N O-U-D He is Swiss French banker he was the banker of record for the estates of Adolf Hitler for Joseph Goebbels

1:16:25 He handled all the Nazi accounts in Switzerland during and after, that's a huge clue. After the war and oh looky-lookie he has ties to this postwar Nazi International I've been talking about He just happens to be the bank roller for a number of international terrorist groups. And oh looky, looky! He just happens to be the banker for guess who? The Bin Laden family that connected them to guess what? Deutsche Bank So in other words I'm looking at all this Greg and i'm seeing this suspicious German connection here

1:17:06 that nobody, and I mean that quite literally. That nobody to my knowledge has ever brought up in connection with this unnamed global network that Tony Blair and Tatiana Koryagina suggested And the problem here is whether we like it or not when we're dealing with Francois Genoux We're dealing with a man who lived on up into the 1990s And he was deeply connected to all of these different fascist groups. So it does look to me like we're dealing yet again with some sort of global, for want of a better expression fascist mafia that is behind this now the problem is could this be the group

1:17:54 that would have had access to an exotic energy technology such as Dr. Wood or the fellow I review in the book, have suggested might have been involved as one of the quote unquote murder weapons? Well if you've read any of my books about this post-war Nazi international, you'll discover that all along i've been arguing with this group when it fled Europe at the end of World War II deliberately made an effort to retain control of its most exotic and advanced hidden research black projects, and simply relocated all these initially to South America. So over time with enough money could such a group have access to technologies like that? Well we have to look at none other than the Secretary of Defense William Cohen under Bill Clinton

1:18:51 who had a conference said yes we are very worried that terrorist groups are going to get their hands on some of these exotic weapons and be able to manipulate weather or create earthquakes and so on. So he's implying by the nature of the case right there, that there is no exotic energy technology that is not in the hands of any one sovereign nation it's in the hands of somebody else So, you know connect the dots at one end and the other and I think you see what the picture is Right great summary. And it is a tangled web for sure Oh absolutely. I mean I was

1:19:28 When I found out this stuff about Mohammed Ata Greg, I was just dumbfounded. It was confirmation of an intuition that I had when 9-11 happened. We were all glued to the television set and to me it was like...I was a boy during the JFK assassination and it was like deja vu because Already they were putting out a certain spin, a certain storyline. But as I was watching all this, I was thinking no it doesn't make sense there's something much deeper going on here. The other aspects of 9-11 only seem to confirm this. Webster Tarpley, for a number of years and I think quite rightly has been arguing that 9-11 has aspects of a coup d'etat if you look closely. Yes. A narrowly avoided coup d'etat coupled with this Mohammed Atta connection to IG Farben societies

1:20:26 International bankers with ties to the saudis and the bin laden else it's a very very murky picture so yeah nine eleven. You know i was kinda like you drag when i decided to write the book, It was, well do I write this and put it out there or do I fall victim to my own sense of 9-11 exhaustion? And I just decided no. It's time to put this out there because there may be another way of looking at this whole thing that even the 9-11 truth movement hasn't really considered. Right! And i'm so glad you did put it out there but

1:21:02 As we start to wrap this up by the time the show airs cuz I don't think we're gonna get out in time it's gonna be close but will most likely know who the next president is and on the plus side we can actually get through all this drama. As I've been reading your 9-11 breakdown and hearing about these multiple levels, and the notion that it seems like the fascist international network has somewhat broken off from the American machine as it seems to be declining in its usefulness. I'm curious how you see this relating to the supporters of the two horses in the presidential race or the back and forth FBI investigation of Clinton? Or really anything between the lines of what we're seeing in the mainstream news

1:21:42 Well, I've said all along that my approach to this election and the two candidates... First of all, I view this election not simply as an election. I view it as a referendum on two very different ideologies of the future One ideology is the standard globalist mantra of the obsolescence of the nation-state You know the multicultural agenda the centrality model and everything being run by big corporations for the glorious benefit of the big corporations. And the other candidate represents an ideology opposed to this centralizing model that is reasserting the sovereignty of the nation state, the centrality of having a culture in protecting and defending it

1:22:38 And when you look at it in that fashion, and I've been saying this for a number of months now since Donald Trump emerged as the Republican nominee. What I think you see is these two candidates really represent two factions of the American deep state that are battling it out behind the scenes I've made no bones, i call trump the mafia candidate because you cannot be in the business he's in particularly where he has done most of his business without having to have had at some point in your business dealings with what we now call the mob or the mafia. Now there is one thing about the american mafia that people forget and that it is intensely patriotic

1:23:37 Has been traditionally so and he therefore to me represents that segment of the american deep state that's looked at these globalists and neocons. And seen nothing but a track record of disaster and particularly in the mafias case, With obama care and everything else so getting the leisure capital of the middle class this is cut very very heavily into the casino business if you go out to vegas places like that businesses dramatically down for where he used to be so he represents a segment of economic interest that is looking at this track record and seeing things are not going away that they should.

1:24:20 So I view this as a contest really between not only different opposing ideologies, but different factions within the American deep state. Now it's interesting that just yesterday Greg was that Dr Steven Pchenik, a psychiatrist that has had dealings with and been part of the CIA just came out with a YouTube video where he said in effect what you're seeing now is a soft counter coup against Hillary Clinton and the globalists by a group of people within the American military intelligence community that are deeply dissatisfied with the direction that things have been going.

1:25:00 For the last thirty years under under the bush clinton nexus and again that plays very well to what i said earlier about the economist magazine piece about the british looking at this election back in two thousand fifteen, and say nothing but the classification of the american political class and no new solutions just the same old same old. And more of it and you know i think the brexit vote in a certain sense was the british deep state taking stock of where this is all going and deciding you know we want out of it and were gonna go a different direction so there's a lot riding on this election, there is much more going on here I think then meets the eye behind the scenes and to put the icing on the cake for that analysis. I began to get

1:25:48 Very, very I won't say suspicious but in a certain sense to have this kind of analysis confirmed by the way Donald Trump dealt with Jeb Bush and dealt with Senator Cruz. Because you'll recall during the Republican primary season he came out as they were debating with that statement against Jeb Bush where he actually succeeded in injecting part of the 9-11 truth narrative into the political debate, you know by questioning the Bush family's potential role. Now that was huge because what and he did it with a sense of finesse and timing I don't think many people appreciate because bushes candidacy was already failing

1:26:40 And that just injected the final coup de grace and bush dropped out within days of that remark. I think it was because you know by someone of trump's stature injecting back into the mainstream meant they could no longer take refuge behind the official narrative Then what happened to Senator Cruz? He dropped that little bombshell about Senator Cruz's father having been in New Orleans and in the circle of people that surrounded Lee Harvey Oswald. Therefore, he was making the implicit connection of Senator Cruz to the JFK assassination.

1:27:27 As a response to this, of course Senator Cruz began by denying and so on and so forth. But eventually the researchers were able to show that Senator Cruz's father really was in New Orleans and apparently did have some sort of loose network connection with that whole circle going down there. So what happened to Senator Cruz? Well his donations began to fail dramatically after that statement And sooner rather than later, he drops out of the race. Now what that signals to me is that somebody is feeding Donald Trump with a lot of intelligence and a lot of careful studied practice on when and how to drop those little zingers into the conversation besides the fact I strongly suspect that Trump himself is an individual

1:28:26 would be inclined to question official narratives and read things on his own. So I think this is coming from a twofold source within the Trump campaign, I think he's being fed intelligence and he's being carefully steered as to how and when he drops these little zingers into the conversation And he's not afraid of doing so you know He's dropped a number of zingers into the presidential debates, he dropped quite a few zingers in that joint dinner with Cardinal what's-his-name that he and Hillary appeared at. He has done this repeatedly, and this plus the fact that Stephen Pchenik has come out with the soft coup video suggests to me by way of a kind of confirmation that yes there is some sort of ad hoc intelligence presence in the Trump campaign

1:29:23 that is very, very dissatisfied with what Clinton represents which is basically more of the same Bush-Clinton stuff that we've had for the last 30 years. So there's a lot going on in this election Greg behind the scenes you know your guess is as good as mine or people's guesses out there are as good as mine but that's kind of my take on what's happening. Yeah man I love the way you read between the lines Wow, Joseph. Always a highlight for me to get you here to do this. You break down these complex situations with such clarity I think you set a serious gold standard for the conspiratorial research community and i'd have you here every month if I could but before we call it in remind everyone where they can dig deeper into your work and even support you as a member of your website

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1:30:53 Awesome. Well, another one in the can! I can't thank you enough keep fighting the good fight out there all right my man? All right thank you for having me back Greg You got it Alright people Joseph P Farrell always always one of my favorites he spent an extra half hour with me so big thanks to him two extended episodes back-to-back how about that guys Some people have asked where the newsletter is and it is behind because I'm trying to launch t-shirt brand 2.0, and I want to include that in the newsletter instead of having to wait another month or send out two stupid emails And we're close for real close so I'm trying to roll it all up into one thing but as for this show I definitely find the common core stuff really creepy, and I'm glad So glad that I don't have kids right now

1:31:43 I'm also very lucky that the person i'm marrying is on board with some type of alternative schooling, but we still don't want to raise no weirdos. So you got to be careful it can be a slippery slope But the aspect of these computerized personally adaptable tests and this data collection tie-in where the data can be sold to corporations and they can analyze it a thousand different ways and cater marketing specifically to you for the rest of your life No good. When these nefarious companies have basically all these little sub-companies under their umbrella, they're gonna use it any way they can this data. Teachers have no power, parents have no power the material is proprietary It's a creepy direction for education to be going in and I'm glad Joseph decided to tackle it Same with 9 11 So many people say its the Jews, the Jews, Israel

1:32:36 And there is a Jewish sector, but I just don't know if it holds as much power as it did in the Rothschild days. I think there's really something to this powerful post-war Nazi cabal and where we've seen their influence But it's not an either or! I've been listening to a lot of Robert Anton Wilson lately. I think he's just a really compelling speaker...I like Manly P. Hall too but he was just a few decades too soon for quality audio recordings The ones I get are usually pretty poor. But anyway, Robert Anton Wilson he reiterates several times in this lecture that i was listening to that no model can encompass everything which is also kind of his beef with conspiracy folks as their narrow models but it is true there's always going to be something left out

1:33:24 I try to stay away from those types of absolute statements for just that reason, but in this context i mention it only because if you think a lot of control comes from one area don't have blinders on to other areas. I fully think we have a Jew thing going on, a Jesuit thing that's pretty serious, a triple crown control problem overarching arconic influence and a Nazi fascist international network and even that model wouldn't include everything You got your think tanks, you got your secret societies You got your multinationals? It's a tangled web for sure, but that's okay. I like to think that at least as the show progresses we examine all threads pretty equally. But i'm wrapping this thing up soon it's actually 6 p.m my time on election night the electoral votes right now are Trump 60 Clinton 44. I'm looking at a popular vote of trump 51 percent clinton 46 percent

1:34:20 I would be really, really shocked if Hillary didn't win because i'm just so used to the boring thing happening. Trump would definitely be the chaos candidate. I don't think he's pure by any means but he definitely would be more exciting chaos candidate if that what you're looking for And I don't even know that's what i'm looking for. I'm just saying when you look at the way the media has basically completely ignored the Podesta emails and the Clinton foundation stuff, and instead said that Trump is so scary... Every celebrity every media host it's all just about how scary Trump is and how we have to hold our nose and vote for Clinton. Everybody! I can't remember a time when people

1:35:03 have been so aggressive about telling audiences who to vote for and how disastrous, how apocalyptic the other candidate would be. I mean, I know this happens to a degree but I think we can all acknowledge that there's something different going on this time. So there is an argument to be made that why would they set that trap not to use it? You drill into everyone's head how dangerous it will be if X happens and then you don't make X happen I don't know. There's the argument that the elite are changing the game up and this might parallel the Brexit vote where everybody goes to bed positive it's going to go one way, they wake up and it goes the other way with a nationalistic choice? Yeah that's possible but those options are too chaotic for boring old America we're getting Clinton! I'm saying it right now by morning I might completely regret even talking about it but that's what I see happening

1:36:01 But as for those Podesta emails, yeah they're creepy and I'm sure we'll be getting into that in a full show once. I feel confident that it's all out there and we can talk about it in full but if you do want to hear more THC right now the plus show today is excellent! All the 9-11 stuff was going to be the plus show but since Joseph gave me an extra half hour We got to at least introduce everybody to his 9-11 analysis. We did go deeper in the Plus show and then we talk about CERN, and the secret agenda behind the Large Hadron Collider and how it relates to this fascist international network, The Nazi Bell, and off-the-books physics that we've talked about before. We also talked about other areas where we've seen some of these exotic technologies tested. The Malaysian Airlines disappearance, the Bermuda Triangle, Norway's spiral all might be examples of it

1:36:48 I also love, love, loved the talk about fighting in the Middle East might be over cuneiform tablets and ancient technologies buried in Babylon. And that might have been the coded language of weapons of mass destruction and that whole meme Provocative stuff indeed. We also revisited the nefarious corporation SAIC that we talked about in the Cameleo episode with Robert Guffey because Joseph Farrell relayed some super strong and sketchy connections they have to 9-11, so they need to be on the radar guys. Fuck SAIC! but all great stuff. I hope you'll support the show by becoming a plus member, the free 7 day offer is still going strong but sign up and get the full length and girth of The Higher Side Chats But i'm gonna get out of here and find out who's gonna take this wheel as we watch the shadowy puppet masters drive us right into the ground See ya next time! Your move Nazi Fascist International Network in the Common Core Cabal? Your fucking move Oh no You see

1:37:53 The world isn't random, it's attached to puppet strings Control over everything The 9-to-5 has tried to steal ya Now don't that job seem silly? Hello, can you hear me Or should I play back recordings from some spying agency? Wish we were younger and free. I'll be thankful when it's all exposed, the vast conspiracy There is such a difference between us And the dandruff child

1:38:48 Hollow from the higher side They're calling out a thousand cries They'll tell you the story Of everything that's been done And they'll call out deception For the web that's been spawned Hollow from the higher side The earth is hollow inside They'll tell you about something that no one else will Have you heard about Saturn? Have you heard about the real since long ago? Oh, No

1:39:45 They're cartoons It's so typical of me to talk about the stuff I'm sorry that's good and well Did you ever hear the argument That nothing really happens? It's no secret And that the best is plus It's doubling your time Hello from the higher side They're calling out a thousand crimes They'll tell you something The elite have done And they'll call out deception On the web that's been spawned Hello from the higher side

1:40:46 I'm challenging your paradigm And i'll tell you something That the battle's begun But we can't fight it with violence The mind where is one has no war Oh, that's the war, that's the war Hello from the higher side They're calling out a thousand crimes They'll tell you something the elite have done And they'll call my own deception I'm the web that's been spawned Hello from the higher side

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