Dr. Joseph P. Farrell | Babylon’s Banksters, Financial Alchemy, & The Secret Science Connection

00:04 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood These are The Hireside Chats How the hell are you, Hireside Chatters? Welcome back to THC. I'm Greg Carlwood from sunny San Diego drinking a little drink smoking a little smoke and trying to put my brain back together after one of my favorite interviews have ever done we talk about the deep connections between banking alchemy and physics and follow this little bundle of hidden information through history and watch it come and go into the hands of various historical power factions And i just think the level of clarity Joseph brings to such a complex mysterious and surprising

01:01 pressed history is damn near unparalleled. But before we get it on, this is the last show of May which means another money bomb where I give half of the month's donations back to a random listener and this month was Will Casey. He took home about $235 so big congrats to him! I'm gonna play his acceptance message and then i'm going to recommend you pack your glass and park your ass because Joseph Farrell has dropped some serious knowledge on the other side. Enjoy! Sweet dreams to The Ali We're calling them out I'm out on THC Uncovering secrets and conspiracies Everybody's looking for...

01:43 Hey Greg, this is Will Casey your most recent Money Bomb winner. Wow I mean this is awesome! Let me tell you a little bit about myself...I have a son on the way Me and my fiancee we live up in Maple Valley small town on the edge of Seattle and let me just say thank you very much for Having such a great show. I wouldn't want you to change anything and thank all the other THC listeners for you know doing the money bomb thing because this is this is gonna be great I'm gonna be able to put some money towards buying the last few things that we need for our son and of course, I'm gonna get a few shirts cuz I really want to get the sheep with the suit and The bum with the sign

02:29 saying quit your job. I like both those shirts, they have a deeper meaning and are awesome! Your show is great, i've turned a lot of friends onto it and its influenced our camping trips because we spend the whole time talking about how the moon could be a hologram or how the chemtrails are poisoning our minds... It's cool that I don't even have to lead the conversation anymore cause my friends have been listening now they do most of the talking for me but For guests that you've had and topics that I like, um... Geez there's so many. It's really hard to tell. I mean Lenin Honor was one of my favorites He just had such a good message and Daniele Bollelli he was really great Dave Matheson Jim Mars John Rappaport they're all so good I wouldn't want you to change anything about your show But our recommended guest? I don't know if you've had him on before Thomas Campbell he's written quite a few books

03:26 And so, yeah he'd be a great guest I think. Wow keep up the good work man and thanks again! Alright people, we know there exist secret sciences and banking mechanics that various nefarious groups families and secret societies have hidden from us and used against the masses of the planet for a long long time. But what might surprise you is the realization that this secret science and these tools of financial puppetry may be intimately linked

04:18 And this little bundle of knowledge has been a key factor in major events from the shadows of history, is responsible for many rises to wealth and control, holds the keys to zero point energy and might have been responsible for devastating war in the ancient past. It's a huge can of worms and today's guest Joseph Farrell is more educated than anyone I know. He's a PhD graduate from the University of Oxford and has authored about two dozen books that explore these subjects and throughout the series managed to tie in many unsuspecting threads that I think provides one of the clearest and most reasonable narratives of hidden history, maybe anywhere. It's a true honor to have him here today and I can't wait to dive into it Joseph my man welcome to THC. Thanks Greg thanks for having me on

05:00 Yeah, thanks for doing this man. I consider you one of the greats on my shortlist and i'm pretty pumped! There's a ton to talk about and many pit stops I'd like to make on the historical timeline of The Secret Bundle of Knowledge and its influence And before we get into how it comes into play over the years maybe to start I could have you describe some of this hidden info In The Elite's toolbox and this connection between physics alchemy and financial wizardry that seems to be a very important thing for us to understand Well, this is a really weird topic because I kind of backed into it. I started researching for Babylon's Banksters about three years before I actually wrote the book. When you see a book, I've usually been researching on it for a couple of years at least before the book actually comes out and with Babylon's Banksters

05:54 I ran into something very, very unusual and it kind of helped many things. Very unusual but the one thing in particular that really grabbed my attention was back during the Great Depression President Herbert Hoover who you know has gone down in history as probably one of the most hated presidents in American history. Hoover had a kind of typical laissez-faire attitude toward what government should and should not do in economic crises. And so he kind of, you know just let things go where they may but one of the most interesting things that he did do that is almost completely unknown is he appointed a man an economist in the commerce department by the name of Dewey D-E-W-E-Y this has no relation to John Dewey or anybody like that

06:54 This Edward Dewey was an economist in the Commerce Department and Hoover tasked him with finding out why we always seem to have these cycles of booms and busts. And there were no really good economic reasons as far as Hoover was concerned, why we kept having these things. And Dewey, of course in the Commerce Department he was just sitting atop this massive mountain of data And so he started researching these cycles of booms and busts, and very early on he became aware that biologists were investigating their own cycles. So he thought well gee this is interesting let's look at cycle in general. Dewey wound up founding a foundation called the Foundation for the Study of Cycles

07:51 This is still in existence. It's located in Albuquerque, New Mexico and they have quite an interesting database when you look at it because they study cycles of every imaginable thing that you can conceive of. And Dewey published all this in a book in the 1950s, The Results That He'd Amassed Up to That Point called The Study Of Cycles, The Science Of Prediction, The Study Of Cycles And in it he points out that almost any human economic activity has its cycles and waves, long wave forms that last years. Be in the production of pig iron whatever sort of economic activity you can look at there are present within these very long cycles

08:48 And I was amazed at this because Dewey then goes on to propose the idea that somehow these cycles, economic cycles are related with other cycles. And with that I thought aha! Right here we have the beginnings perhaps of a scientific basis for the study of astrology. So let's go back and look at what the claims for astrology are, back in ancient Mesopotamia and in ancient Egypt, then we'll go back to Dewey for a moment. If you go back to some

09:32 texts, Egyptian texts some of the Mesopotamian text. One of the things that they will tell you and this incidentally you can find in a book by the Egyptologist Wallace Budge he wrote an interesting little book called Amulets and Talismans of Ancient Egypt He points out that in the Egyptian text, the claim is made that astrological predictions were based on observations that had been taken over thousands of years. And the same claim is made in Babylon

10:10 And let's go further. When we look at ancient astrology, we've got to understand one key difference between it and modern astrology you know the kind of astrology you get in the grocery store aisles when you see those little books of sun signs you know? Right! So on and so forth... Well ancient astrology was concerned primarily with aggregate prediction In other words it wasn't predicting so much any particular individual persons future, but rather it was predicting the future of the king. In other words it was predicting the future of a nation state or city-state or what have you. So there's this key difference but the claim is made that they were basing all this on observations made over thousands years so in other words the claim has made that this is science not a pseudoscience

11:05 So let's go back to Dewey. I'm looking at all these cycles and looking at all of his explanations of them, and his attempt to find a sort of grand unified theory of cycles. And I'm thinking that this is the beginnings of a modern reconstruction perhaps of some sort of scientific basis to the phenomenon cycles including astrological cycles and incidentally the foundation for the study of cycles investigated things like that. So then I thought, okay if this is the case then we should have at some point a connection between high financial power both in ancient times and modern

11:52 and this study of the science of cycles. And sure enough, when you look very closely at the Foundation for the Study of Cycles, you'll see present occasionally papers presented by members of big banks I ran across one for example that i mentioned in Babylon's Banksters prepared by an economist working for Mitsubishi Bank, which is not exactly a small little mom-and-pop bank down the corner. So the financial interest is definitely there and if you go back and look at ancient times one of the most interesting things that pops out is not only do you find temples aligned astrologically but you also find

12:43 an alliance of the high financial power. The reason being that the temples had the moral probity, so people thought to be involved with currency, to be involved with exchanging coins from one nation or king to another. So there's always been this deep connection between what I'm calling the high financial power and the high physics, if you will or metaphysics power represented by religion back then. And this is...I've got to tell you when I made that connection a lot of things became clear because if you look at history since then You seem define no matter at what point in history turn to

13:31 this alliance between bankers and esoteric sciences like astrology. And in more recent times, you certainly have this alliance between bankers and high physics projects. I mean you only need to think of JPMorgan and Nikola Tesla for example. So this is a persisting pattern and I'm actually writing a book right now where you find the pattern yet again in a very weird place but it's there throughout history that's basically the bottom line Yeah, man that is a great introduction to it and it is one of the things that I think is the most intriguing

14:15 about your work and really all of this alternative conspiracy culture, really. And you know something when I heard you talk about it before, you mentioned that from the physics perspective it seems like they are viewing time-space as a creative medium and fractional reserve banking is kind of a black magic version of negative creation can you elaborate on that a little bit? Sure um...I talk a lot in my books about a phenomenon that I call the topological metaphor of the medium. And, I have to set this up rather carefully and any attempt to do so in a few minutes on our radio show is really not going to do it justice but if we go back to ancient times and look at how they understood God and creation

15:08 And this would be true from the Hindus in India to the Neoplatonists, you know and in the Eastern Mediterranean. To the Mayans and in Mesoamerica and so on they all state that The world that we see the world that we exist in and our own existence all descend from an initial, undifferentiated primordial nothing. Okay? And when I say nothing, I mean nothing! There's no human attribute that you can use to talk about it univocally so not even the word existence can you apply to it univocally in the same breath and in the same way

15:57 as you would apply to everyday existence. Now, this undifferentiated nothing let's play a mathematical thought game Let's imagine a function that allows you to somehow differentiate within that nothing So once you do that what do you have? Well, you actually have now three nothings They're still nothing but at least they are differentiated nothing and the reason you have three is you've now made a distinction between one region of it and another. This is why I call the topological metaphor of the medium So, you got two regions and then you got common surface alright between the 2 so you actually get 3 nothings are all still nothing they're all still infinite

16:45 But now there's been information added to the system, alright? If you go on through this process and keep doing it you're going to gradually end up creating more and more information in the system. So let's look at what's happening now because of this initial differentiation what you have just done is you've started creating numbers Because you can't number a nothing, but you can number three differentiated nothings. So numbers begin to emerge now what happens if you assign numerical value of one to the initial nothing? Well then the resulting nothings are fractions of one

17:29 And as this process proceeds, you have what? You have an inflation of information and if you look at it financially, you have a devaluation of the individual nothings. But if you understand that same metaphor in a very different way then you could say that with each differentiation, you're creating a new number. So in other words instead of one and fractions of one, you get 1 2 3 4 5 and so on okay? So the thing about this metaphor that is very very important for people to understand is that it is always capable of being interpreted in more than one way. This is a both-and phenomenon not an either or okay

18:15 But if you now look at the fractional part of it, and particularly the way that the Hindus begin to understand the metaphor. What they begin to say is that everybody or everything that comes into existence owes its existence – please note the financial term again – the terms of debt to what has preceded them okay? So in other words, in built into our thinking is this you know we're talking about a metaphor here that's fundamentally physics related in nature and yet in order to talk about it we often use financial terms metaphorically when we apply this metaphor. Right there this is something that's very crucial for people to latch on too right there in this metaphor itself you have the connection

19:09 between a kind of metaphysical physics, if you will and finance. It's there in the metaphor itself and this is really what is going on I think behind the scenes when you have this connection to the financial power and religion and physics and astrology and so on in ancient times Yeah, yeah. It's definitely a bit of a mind exercise but it does make sense when you really get into it and so where do we see this type of thinking take root in the ancient past in terms of banking and kind of enslaving a nation through debt-based currency?

19:51 Well, a lot of it is in my opinion based on the metaphor of sacrifice because this is the other thing that becomes very early on present in the Hindu thinking about. If you owe a debt then that debt is only repayable by sacrifice. Of course this enters Christian thinking and the West too so I mean I'm not trying to pick on Hindus here But it's very, very deeply related. If you look at the other way of looking at the metaphor with the creation of information rather than the fractionalization of it – if you look at that way then

20:33 When you encounter systems like that, very seldom do they talk about debt or sacrifice. So what is interesting is if you turn to the financial aspect of this in ancient times one of the most interesting things that you see is the transition from money as a medium of exchange representing, so to speak the surplus in the state warehouse or as we call it today the gross domestic product. So in other words, if you look at money in Sumer or Mesopotamia very often this is simply represented on a clay tablet and it's a receipt against the goods of the state. In other words its debt free

21:25 Now, at a certain point in history when you see the rise of the great empires ... there's a fellow out there by the name of David Assel that wrote this wonderful book online about all this and I would recommend it to people because I refer to it heavily in Babylon's Banksters. What you see arise with the great empires is the transition of money from receipts issued on the state warehouse, so to speak or the gross domestic product as we would call it. To a system of money

22:02 that is able to be exchanged in international trade. In other words, you can have your Sumerian clay tablets all you want but they're not gonna buy you much in India. So you have to have a medium of exchange that's valuable internationally in India and that's of course bullion but the problem with bullion back then is it takes a great deal to mine And in the process of mining, the value of the bullion does not come up to the value of the cost of mining it. Okay? So what happens is you have the creation of what one scholar ... another good book for people to refer to would be David Graeber and it's a wonderful book called Debt The First Five Thousand Years I refer to that book

22:56 a great deal in Babylon's Bank, or pardon me, in Financial Vipers of Venice. It is a wonderful book In that book what Graeber describes it as you create these big empires you're going to have to be able to pay the soldiers with money that's spendable and all the areas they conquer so that's bullion So what you do if you enter the slavery coinage military complex, which becomes a vicious circle because you have to have the military to conquer the slaves and mine the bullion to pay the military. So in other words what bullion begins to do is first of all it begins to supplant

23:47 these receipts on state warehouses, alright? And as it begins to supplant those receipts the nature of money begins to change because money is now conceived of as a debt owed to a certain class that's able to produce it and quite literally loaned into circulation. So, in other words we see also emerging at this time the idea of monetized debt as money. And we also see something else very significant. We see the rise what David Assel calls bullion brokers. We see the rise of an international financial class

24:31 that has more in common with that class and other nations than it does with its own people. And that's been with us ever since So, you know this is a huge story. I mean... It is! It can go on and on but I hope that's making some sense for your listeners. Absolutely and you mentioned sacrifice being linked in here and of course there's a long history of even human blood sacrifice also in conspiracy culture lot of rumors among the elite do you think that the actual practice of blood sacrifice could be some type byproduct to this way of thinking? Yes

25:11 Yes, absolutely. What happens in Hindu thinking is that initial nothing that then undergoes differentiation is viewed also – we have to understand how deeply this metaphor pervades ancient cultures and their thinking because this physical medium that they're looking at, this is also the macrocosm of which man is the microcosm. So in other words a human being represents in their very existence the whole universe and as this universe undergoes the process of differentiation well what's happening is the body is being torn apart

25:58 At least that's the way the Hindu metaphor perceives it. And so therefore, sacrifice becomes a metaphor, a kind of analogical magical working of the whole creative process So in other words to tap into the cosmological process as far as this thinking goes you have to perform sacrifice Otherwise you're out of sync with it. I like to say, I like to put it this way in some cases that what they are attempting

26:34 is they're attempting to, so to speak, shock the physical medium by this act of analogical magic. Or, to put it in much more familiar terms, they're trying to appease God or appease the gods... Yeah So that they will have continual blessings bestowed And of course, this really reaches the pitch of complete slaughter in Mesoamerica with the Mayans and the Aztecs. It's very interesting to have a book called Grid Of The Gods where I talk about the whole idea of sacrifice in that culture and then compare it to the underlying logic of sacrifice within Western Christianity. Please note that I said Western Christianity not Eastern Christianity there is a difference

27:25 In the Mayan text, it's very interesting to read that their supreme god, their wisdom giver, their civilization giver, Kessel-Koatl and Kukulkan and so on did not approve of any blood sacrifice human or otherwise. And that the rise of bloody sacrifices is ascribed to the working of sorcerers And one of the sorcerer's names happens to be a fellow by the name of Ja'atl. Yeah, wow! You know there is that root word ja', that makes one wonder So yeah and there is this pervasive idea that sacrifice somehow shocks the medium or gives you some sort of power over it to manipulate

28:22 And it's a very, very ancient thing but we have to remember that in some cultures it is not the most ancient system and thats even true in Hinduism. This is one of the reasons that Buddha objected so much to Brahmanism as this whole idea of bloody sacrifice So its tied intimately to this metaphor because if you look at that fractional system as value decreases, the debt owed always increases. So in other words in this metaphor is also tied up the idea of primordial debt and so you see the idea of primordial debt entering the picture from Hinduism all the way to Western Christianity with Anselmo Canterbury It's a very huge story

29:15 I certainly don't think i've exhausted it by any means. who try to make this case that when you look at groups who held this knowledge, the Knights Templar, ancient priesthood secret societies we see a lot of ritual and occult practice in general and the connection some tried to make is that this information is somehow extracted through making contact with some type of multi-dimensional or spiritual entity. Do you put any stock in that?

29:51 Well, I certainly don't object to the idea. You know, I have no philosophical objection to the idea that there are higher dimensional entities angels demons or whatever you wish to call them but I don't think it's necessary to go to the idea of getting these ideas from contact with any of those entities. I certainly don't rule it out as a case but what I really am trying to show in my books that talk about this metaphor, and in effect all of them do in some form or fashion. What is clear to me is that this metaphor if you want to think about the metaphors you have to think about it in highly mathematical terms In other words the metaphor can be and I've tried to do it in my books can be symbolized or notated mathematically

30:46 It's when you put over the metaphor, the mathematical symbols can stand for things like primordial debt or things like fecundity of creation or fractionalization of information. In other words, the metaphysical systems of philosophy and religion are kind of what remote viewers would call analytical overlay to the metaphor, but they're not the metaphor itself. In one of my books I have a little book called Talk Radio for the Eyes Transhumanism and Dialogue that I wrote with my co-author Scott DeHart

31:33 And in that book we point out that three of the world's most famous, most well-known mathematicians all say something very unusual. The first one is Rene Descartes And I'm paraphrasing here a bit because I don't have the book sitting right in front of me, but Descartes states just a short little paragraph that in his study of the ancients he has... The ancient mathematicians he means. He's come to the conclusion that they had a form of analysis which they used to solve all their problems but which is lost to us now and moreover he thinks this deliberately suppressed it

32:16 Well, you know this is the guy that invented analytical geometry. So he's not a slouch and then you look at Newton and he says pretty much the same thing well I've been reading these ancient mathematicians and it looks to me like they had some form of analysis that they have carefully disguised or that has been suppressed or otherwise lost. And again, you know this is one of the inventors of differential and integral calculus okay? So then you turn to Leibniz who's probably you know the maddest of those three mad geniuses and probably also the most brilliant of the three and again

32:59 And in Leibniz it's even more detailed. He not only thinks that there has been a lost form of analysis that the ancients knew, but that is was capable of mathematical notation and by, and these are his own words, by a certain imitation of calculation that had nothing to do with numbers you could solve all problems. And he goes even further and says well I think I found some outlines so in other words i think what these three men discovered as they were ransacking ancient mathematicians and philosophical texts is I think they've run into this

33:43 phenomenon that I'm calling the topological metaphor of the medium. And they were trying to, as I've been trying to do it, they were trying to notate it So yeah, rather than going to having direct contact with angels or demons, I think really all you need is a certain way of looking at ancient texts and so-to-speak reading behind the language to discover the pure abstract concepts and structure, and functionalities at work.

34:23 And that basically I'm calling the topological metaphor. That makes a lot of sense! Now, outside of this financial wizardry the physics side of this also has some technological implications on the positive free energy and negative destructive weaponization right? Yeah, let's look at the physics aspect of this metaphor for a moment. I said if you can imagine... You begin with one all-encompassing non-differentiated nothing okay? Now in the physical sense that is real nothing In other words something in physics has to be observable and measurable So in other words you've got a real nothing here

35:08 that once the process of differentiation starts, what do you have? Well now you have observable nothings. So in other words the metaphor is literally a kind of formal topological description in the barest fashion of a kind of creation ex nihilo. Now interestingly enough if you look at the way that Christian doctrine, dogmatic theology approaches God they will say pretty much the same thing. That the essence of god is absolutely undefinable that it is a nothing every term we would apply to it is essentially only used analogically not univocally

35:59 when they look at this, what do you see? Well you describe God in the same way infinite incorporeal omnipresence and so on and so forth. Well if you look at those descriptions something that very early on occurred to Christian theologians is that these very same descriptions were applicable to space! So in other words the theologians are looking at physics and the physicists are looking at theology if you want to look at it that way. So yeah, this has tremendous physics implications because if you figure out the fact that physical medium is a transmutative information creative medium

36:52 Then once you've said that, what you're saying is that this metaphor is highly alchemical in nature. It's describing something or making assumptions about the physical medium which is a nothing incidentally That is highly alchemical in nature because everything that comes into existence is simply modifying the information content of that nothing So, you know this is a hugely physics related idea because if you know let's just draw simple analogy here. If you look at quantum mechanics what are particles? Well particles in quantum mechanics like it or not are not these little tiny billiard balls that we can't see What they are collections of mathematical descriptions

37:41 of functions and spatial relationships, and so on and so forth. Quarks have fractional charges two-thirds or minus a third, they have certain spin orientation and you add them up together in the right way and get protons and neutrons! So in other words the mathematical description of these things is taking over from or really substituting the idea that the description is the physical reality. So, you know again we're square back with this ancient idea that we have a purely informational content type of physical medium but very closely resembles in some respects the ideas of quantum mechanics

38:33 So, you know this is a huge thing. You know we could be here all day and all night for several months discussing all of this because it has almost endless permutations and obviously it can go almost anywhere once you add that analytical overlay and start describing in the language of ordinary language rather than the language of mathematics. Man! It's definitely A little over my head, but I love listening to it. Well it's over everybody's head don't assume that my head is adequate for the task!

39:14 All right, well you know when you talk about these kind of these guiding principles being the basis for technologies or having practical applications and you look at the ancient past. You talk about there being an ancient cosmic war yes of ridiculously destructive proportions which might have been this type of energy weaponizing it might have been a catalyst for that right And we also hear in the past a lot of whispers of a golden age, which you think about the positive aspects of this technology. It could facilitate a golden age so... Oh absolutely! How do you think? Do you think there I guess there was just a period of time before the rebuilding of human existence that this stuff was heavily involved in well yeah um I'm one of those people that

40:07 I'm just terribly dissatisfied with the standard academic model that we were around for tens if not hundreds of thousands of years doing nothing but hunting and gathering. And then all of a sudden, we decided to get our act together and create Sumer in Egypt and the Indus Valley these civilizations that just all of a sudden out of nowhere spring into existence without any antecedent. This is a huge historical problem, this is not the way that most human history that we are aware of has proceeded, we build on something that has preceded us So when you look at ancient texts and free yourself from the academic paradigm

40:58 and really pay attention to what they're actually saying. They say these two things, number one there was a golden age there was a high civilization and if you read some text they give you hints very strong hints in many cases of technological civilization that was at least equal if not far exceeding our own pitch development okay And they also say that that civilization literally blew itself apart in a war. Be it the fall of Lucifer and the war with Michael and the archangels, or be it the wars you read about of the gods in the Mesopotamian texts, or the wars at first time in Egyptian texts, what have you? There's always this

41:50 indication of some sort of cosmic cataclysm. And what I discovered is if you, and you know i'm not alone in this by any stretch of the imagination so I'm not trying to say I discovered this but what I discovered when I read the Mesopotamian text in particular is that if you allow yourself to be freed of those academic prejudices and read about these wars These are not metaphors. This is my other big beef with the alternative community, they want to see these wars as metaphors of planetary collisions and electric universes and electrodynamic solar systems and what have you which may be true but this is not the way that ancients wrote. The ancients wrote in a very deliberately multi-layered way

42:48 There's even an academic term for that, it's called pranamasya. And when they're describing these wars they mean you to understand them not just metaphorically but literally alright? These images work on a multitude of levels so I began to look at these texts and noticed something very interesting Let's take the Lugalet and the Epic of Nunerta, for example that I talk about in my book The Cosmic War. In the Lugalet which is usually understood by academics to be a creation epic, I defy anybody to read it and come away with the idea that is anything else other than a war epic

43:38 And the war is between a goddess in the Mesopotamian pantheon by the name of Tiamat and Marduk. When you read, particularly the fourth tablet of that particular epic when you read it You will find descriptions of Tiamat using weather weapons using chimerical genetically engineered creatures like scorpion men, you know. Whatever that may be but in other words you find things that are at once mythological and yet evocative of a technology yeah and on Marduk's side what do you have? Well he has his invisibility cloak

44:31 which he speaks the word and he's invisible, and he speaks the word again and he is visible. And with this he goes to fight the goddess Tiamat with his divine thunderbolts and a divine wind... ...and he keeps hitting Tiamat with this divine wind and these thunderbolts and she's crying and wailing and then he finally drives in the last thunderbolt and she is killed! Now, if you look at it carefully, Tiamat is also one of the descriptions or names of a planet. And driving winds into the planet... Well what's wind? Wind is a pressure wave. Wind is a longitudinal wave. What's a thunderbolt? Well, a thunderbolt is quite literally a lightning strike. It's extremely high voltage direct current electricity

45:31 crashing through the atmosphere and ionizing the atmosphere, and so on and so forth. So in other words you're again Marduk's weapons are evocative of a technology. So in other words I do think that if you read these texts you have to read them with modern physics eyes so-to-speak And I'm not alone in that because it was Robert Oppenheimer cited the Rig Veda, you know, behold I've become as death. The destroyer of worlds at the Trinity atomic bombs test so in other words he's kind of cluing

46:10 clueing you in right there, that at least one physicist a very famous one is looking at ancient texts in that way. So I think we have to regardless of what academic philologists or so on and so forth may say, I think we have to look at those texts and take them seriously for what they say Yeah, I do too. And I think you do a great breakdown there So to bridge the gap between that time and ours Do you think some elite from the previous age survived? Oh, yeah and set up our early civilizations my model That's a great question My model is basically that that you know less The analogy I like to make Greg is is let's pretend that

46:56 this cosmic war is sort of the ancient war between the western allies and Germany. Let's use World War I as an analogy, well what happened at the end of World War I? Well, the allies were pretty fed up with big German cannon and nasty infiltration tactics and airplanes and so on and so forth So what did they do? At the Treaty of Versailles, they told Germany that okay you can't have a big army anymore. You can't have your great big huge cannon and we're going to restrict you to the size of cannon that you can have. You can't have any tanks. You can't have airplanes and no battleships over 10 thousand tons displacement okay

47:39 And to make sure that the Germans didn't do this, they appointed their military attaches to go around Germany and make darn good and sure the Germans weren't secretly making it. So in other words at the end of World War I you had victors prohibiting certain weapons and setting up a mechanism to sniff out the German war inventory and technology, and prohibit any further development. So in other words the Allies took an inventory and they did something else If you read the Treaty of Versailles they demilitarized the Rhineland In other words that whole area west of the Rhine

48:23 and a 30-mile wide belt on the east bank of the Rhine that had to be demilitarized. In other words, they set up a demilitarized quarantine zone around Germany in the West Now, if you look at the cosmic war what would happen there? Well if you're blowing each other apart in this war what's going to happen. The first thing that is going to happen is the victors are going to take an inventory of the defeated side technology well if you look at the epic of Nunerta which I reproduce infall

49:02 in the cosmic war, that's exactly what you see. In fact if you read that so-called epic You're going to be scratching your head because if this is an epic then it's one of the poorest written epics ever to have been composed Because its like reading the index with Sears catalog There is no character development, there's no plot. The whole thing is nothing but a list and inventory of these magic stones after this war some of which are carted away by the victors and used in other things some of which are destroyed and some of which cannot be destroyed So what the victor do is they hide them okay? So you've got an elite that was set up after this war

49:55 that was tasked with the cataloging and inventorying and destruction of some of these technologies, exactly as what we see in World War I. The other thing that you would do is if you've really blown yourselves apart you're going to create elites whose job it is to preserve as much of the knowledge those civilizations as possible, pass them down and begin the process of reconstruction. And this too is exactly what I think went on Why? Because if you look...and I talk about this in a book called Genes Giants Monsters Men If you look at the very ancient megalithic structures

50:42 The first thing you're going to do if you have just blown your civilization apart, in order to get civilization jump-started what do you have to have? Well, you have to have commerce. And in order to have commerce outside of your local area what do you have to have? Well, you have to have a system of weights and measures that is not only accurate but universally reproducible Okay? And so, in other words we can skip this academic nonsense that well they were using parts of the body to establish their measure. This is total nonsense because if you're going to have an accurate system weights and measures which you need for any form trade the only way to have an accurate system of weights and measures is geodetic measures, geodetically based measures on the properties at the earth itself

51:38 or astronomically based measures on the properties of the heavens that you can measure and reproduce. And this is what we see going on in these megalithic monuments, they're establishing systems of weights and measures so in other words yeah you see clearly the action at these post-war elites when everything's been blown to hell because what are they doing? Well their trying to reconstruct as quickly as they can all over the world a system of, if you will, observatories that can reestablish these weights and measures. So it's a huge thing and it is entirely consistent with the pattern of the civilization that has just blown itself apart.

52:24 I mean, if you're dealing with such destructive power and you're coming out of that barely one of the few survivors. Not to seem like a sympathizer for the shadowy puppet masters but there's a lot of incentive to keep the secret other than just greed and widespread money magic Absolutely, absolutely. And this is everything people have to understand. Let's say the United States and the Soviet Union actually did have a thermonuclear war and blew each other and most of the planet apart. Well any survivors are going to be put in the position that we've all of sudden lost

53:02 developed modern civilization and we're going to want to preserve as much of that knowledge as we can. We're gonna want to hand it down in some way, that the signal, the knowledge about civilization won't be lost in the noise and were also going to be probably put into position where we are going have to cooperate with people who just fought so in other words I think Also, that these post-cosmic war elites if you will were both the good elite and the bad elite but for quite a long time and under certain circumstances they ally with each other just in order to get things going again. It's rather like Germany and Russia after World War I. The Russians surrendered then later the Germans surrendered so having just been enemies what are they gonna do? Well we'll make nice for awhile

53:59 So that we can both rebuild our defenses so that we can fight each other again. And the cycle continues. The cycle continues! To throw in a quick more modern example of this weaponized tech, something I've heard you talk about and thought it was really interesting analysis of what might have happened, but many people know about the mysterious Tunguska explosion. But you've made the case that this could have been Tesla experimenting with the dark side of that energy We know he was working on free energy or so we're told but this could be that other side Well, I first of all don't like the idea or the phrase free energy. I prefer zero point energy or vacuum flux energy or whatever you want to call it

54:49 It's free in the sense that it is out there, it surrounds us. I mean even the energy put out by the sun is free in that sense and we can tap into it but... I'm not the only nor even the first one that has offered this suggestion that Tesla may have something to do with Tunguska There have certainly been others what the other people that I've noticed advance this hypothesis don't do is they don't point out that Tesla, after J.P Morgan shut down his wireless transmission of power project on Long Island what they don't do is they don't point out that Tesla then wrote a series of articles for the New York Times that were very bizarre and in these articles he suggested that this system of power could also be weaponized

55:52 and that it would be capable of tremendous regional devastation if handled in a certain way. And from those comments, I hypothesized that maybe he at some point unbeknownst to his own laboratory assistants and Morgan have turned that thing on and conducted experiments, and perhaps the experiments went wrong which in Testa's case are very unlikely. Or that he simply decided well I'm going to target some wilderness region and see if this is really true if I can really do this so yeah I think it's at least a possibility they might have done that

56:40 Yeah, I think that is probably the best explanation for what that event could have been and the best visualization for the destructive power of this secret physics. So I find that really interesting Oh yeah! I like to say you know if we're talking about the energy... You know the zero-point energy or the energy of space time or whatever That if you can find a way to manipulate that or tap into it on the laboratory bench, so to speak. Then the potential that you have there, the weaponization potential that you have is something that would make a hydrogen bomb look like a firecracker. It's...you know, there is and I've said this too, there is a reason

57:36 that the elites have suppressed this stuff. And it's not simply because they're greedy and so on, but a part of it is altruism if you allow a technology like that into the wrong hands. If we think Iran or nuclear proliferation and whatever little terrorist group getting their hands on the atom bomb is a problem, then imagine if you had technology allowing you to do that? And if that fell into the wrong hands... Here's the other problem with this That technology would be from a certain point of view

58:20 much easier to engineer than building a hydrogen bomb. it would not require the same type of infrastructure or physical plant to produce that technology and it would be relatively easier to hide. You wouldn't be able, in other words, to track nuclear proliferation by the amount of xenon-129 in the atmosphere above Tehran or wherever it is they're supposedly or allegedly making their bombs so you've got a proliferation nightmare on your hands. So, you know when Tesla starts talking about you know oh by the way JP Morgan and the rest of the country can also use this stuff as a weapon You can kind of understand why at that juncture Morgan may have pulled the plug. It's a different take for sure. Yeah it is a different take yeah absolutely I like it though! I love a new perspective and its kinda rare sometimes in these conspiracy circles but

59:21 Wow. Well, Joseph this has been really great it's been fun for me I mean a real memorable time for me i'ma big fan and I recommend your work to anyone thank you yeah so well before we really go would like to tell the people where they can buy your works you get the most benefit maybe any other events or new stuff you're working on Yeah, they can go to my website which is www.gizadeathstar.com that's all one word all lowercase giza like the place for the pyramids in Egypt I do have a web store there that they can order all of my books The books do come from Amazon but if

1:00:01 they order off my website I get a few extra penalties, or pardon me, a few extra penalties. A few extra pennies in royalties as kind of advertising fee for Amazon so you know if your going to order my books please order them off the website rather than directly from Amazon right now i'm working on another book and what I call my Nazi series of books. I should tell people that all of my books are written in kind of a preconceived order. They all dovetail into each other, you can read them in any order you want, you don't have to read them in the order that they're published in but they are conceived and kind of deliberately preconceived orders and within that whole series of books I have kinda sub-series of books

1:00:54 I have a Nazi series and I'm writing another book right now as kind of a book in that series of books. Very awesome. Yeah, I love the structure to your books I tried to kind of structure this conversation to kind of flow along with that but very cool man Thanks again It has been a blast hopefully we can do it again someday and sure take care yourself out there Alright Thank You Greg thanks for having me on and boom goes the dynamite people I hope you liked that one as much as I did most of you are probably familiar with Joseph Farrell already But I hope we extracted some nuggets that were new to you such a knowledgeable guy

1:01:31 In the Plus show we keep on coming up through history from the Khazars and Egyptians to Venice during the Renaissance and Middle Ages, to a little on banking families of China. Then we get into World War II how this secret package of financial and physics based info played Maybe even the biggest role in the whole situation with the Nazis. We talk about the resurgence of the Nazi International trying to regain a foothold in today's world, the Bilderbergs' role and channeling some that money after the war and then Joseph's breakdown of the modern day chessboard Pretty solid history lesson I'd say and i skipped over a couple other recorded interviews to place this next to the Gordon White show just To reiterate the point that, I really don't think you can chalk everything up to the Jews or one particular group You know? There might not be one history-long pyramid with one easy to define capstone. I think we might be talking about many pyramids and coups on the pyramid And secret information getting

1:02:28 compartmentalized and then unleashed, and then you have a new head of the snake. Not loyal to any other portion of it." And it just speaks to one of Gordon's larger points that human history is too complex for a singular narrative and It can be tempting for us humans To learn a few data points and start running with an easy-to-understand narrative and parodying it from the rooftops like You know the whole story! I think that just needs to be reeled back a little bit Not to say a network of Khazars hasn't played a role, not to say Kabbalistic Jewish mystics haven't played a role. Not to say that on the current chessboard Israel isn't playing a major role but then again that's a country and isn't an indication of the thoughts and feelings of all people who share its dirt I mean would you want to be pegged for the crimes of America? I sure wouldn't So I think these two shows together present a more academic view A more complex understanding And it's kind of closer to where my true north really is

1:03:20 as I get older. So these shows really resonate with me and that obviously won't be true for everyone, and i'm sure we'll talk to many guests who have opposing views to each other and myself as time goes on...I mean that is the nature of the game but people often ask me what I think about a lot of stuff and who-who I trust the most and so when I get to talk to one of those guests or a couple of them I guess i would reiterate in the post show that, that's a person that I'd hang my head on in a big way. And like Joseph said earlier nobody has a monopoly on shady tactics You know one of the big problems for me in this realm is so many guests get locked into the conspiracy bubble and it's a shame because other big podcasts should really be bringing some these guys on and we're still kind of in the infancy of podcasting and there's not a lot of crossover between shows like

1:04:06 Red Ice and Coast to Coast, and then big podcasts like The Nerdist or Adam Carolla or Joe Rogan. But there should be crossover! And I think that there can be! And if these bigger shows really wanted to impress their audience they would dive into some of these guests Can you imagine breaking Joseph Farrell onto a show like Joe Rogan or Abby Martin? It would be a beautiful thing. And it's really up to the listeners and fans of these people to make that happen. On the subject, some might know the wrestler Chris Jericho. I was a huge fan as a kid actually but he has a podcast.

1:04:43 He mentioned, I guess that he wanted to get into conspiracies and because some listeners of his and my show pushed him. He got in touch with me And i might be going on his show in the next month or two...and my 13 year old self would never believe that In my 30th year, Chris Jericho would be emailing me for something. But it's a weird world I also got invited on the All Out show which is a SiriusXM show and that should be interesting too! I actually think that i'm better on the host side of the mic but I am really psyched to be doing some of these really big shows It's kind of odd...but thanks so much to everyone who has pushed for that I mean I would love to do more

1:05:22 Tell your Joe Rogans and your Adam Carolas and your Ari Shafirs that they need a little Greg Carlwood in their lives. I guess i get a little bit better with each one I do, I was just on the Alex cast not long ago you might remember me interviewing Alex Boleyn about Tarot right before we went to Plus Well he had me on his show and we talked two hours of conspiracy goodness, then we were all over the map. And that's totally enjoyable you can check that out at AlexCast with two Xs Yeah but keep contacting the shows your like and send them my way Me or really any other THC guests Let's infect the digital mainstream. Also, you know a big thanks to a couple of listeners who've sent me in things from the Amazon wish list it's very appreciated that list is old and with plus I don't even feel right mentioning it but people still come through on that with all kinds of little gifts and cool stuff not only from Amazon but their own things It's hard for me to keep everybody's email straight with the products in the mail but I do

1:06:22 Want to say thanks, and you know if you are looking for my P.O box It's on the higher side chats calm under money bomb it's meant for people to send in those entries without paying But you know also you could send me anything there also my man over at Masato toys M A S A T O toys He sent me a conspiratorial choose your own adventure book about being the president and I thought it was pretty clever. So check that out if you need a little gift for the conspiracy guy in your life There's also another Crow article going up for you to check out if you've been following along there I will say next week's show is with a guest you've probably never heard of about his provocative theory you've probably never considered. And he's not a very polished speaker and reads a lot of his responses, which is its own type of awkwardness but overall...I'd say it's a good time! Until then, I'll be at contact in the desert Your move Financial Physicist of the Shadowy Elite Your fricken move No one knows what it's like

1:07:24 To be the bad man, to be the sad man Behind blue eyes and no one knows what it's like To be hated, be faded, to telling only lies But my dreams is empty As my conscience seems to be I have hours

1:08:11 Lonely, lonely since they exposed me on THC No one knows what it's like to feel these feelings Like I do And I blame you! No one bites back as hard On their anger None of my pain can show through But my dreams

1:09:01 Aren't as empty As my conscience seems I have AIDS Since they exposed me on THC But my dreams aren't as empty As my conscience seems to be I have our world

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