Dr. Jacob Nordangard | Philanthrocapitalism, Recent UN Policy Briefs, & The Digital World Brain

00:03 No need for arduous seeking. All you have to do is follow the clues. You start to see this as a simulation, as a type of computerized AI manufactured reality. We are playing like putty into the hands of the manipulators who are just setting us at war with each other. Justice almost surely has a plan. It's clearly maybe something close-caste It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood people from the Sunshine State. I'm Greg Carlwood and anyone who is even halfway paying attention should be able to see that we are wading into deep waters when it comes to the implementation phase of ideas that have been coming from the multi-generational management class,

01:25 and the dark nexus of elite think tanks, philanthro-capitalistic funds boards commissions NGOs coalitions and all the other acronym organizations they use to manifest their dreams into a nightmarish reality. And it seems like the seeds they've been planting for decades are all now simultaneously sprouting from the dystopian soil of a technocratically controlled global walled garden that separates the masses even further from the nefarious few Things like online opinion managing, ministries of truth, carbon-controlled credit cards, farmer bankrupting regulations, frankenfood engineering ownership erosion increased surveillance 15 minute free range smart cities bans on traditional energy and products health passports digital IDs and more tightly controlled everything are all being implemented as we speak with pilot programs and national trials all over this island earth.

02:18 and getting very little coverage outside of those brave enough to sound the alarm while they still can, like today's guest Dr. Jakob Nordingaard For the unfamiliar, Dr. Nordingaard is a well-educated Swedish researcher and author with a PhD in technology and social change, Masters of Social Science in Geography, and Masters of Social Science in Culture & Media Production His informative books include Rockefeller, Controlling the Game, The Global Coup d'Etat and most recently The Digital World Brain all published through Pharos Media of which he is the CEO. But that's not all folks! He is also the singer and songwriter of metal band Wardenclyffe with lyrics inspired by his research and each of his books including his dissertation has come with optional soundtrack

03:03 He certainly stays busy, so let's waste no more time. The music-making management class critic rogue academic and highlighter of the horrid things to come Dr Jacob Nordengaard welcome to the higher side! Thank you for letting me on. Yeah, of course! Of course thank you for doing this I heard your interview with Gramerica and they were kind enough to link us up so a tip of the hat to them and as much of this agenda 2030 technocratic global government stuff gets talked about in alternative circles i do think it's the most important thing going on and i wanted to

03:40 Have someone on who is based in Europe, where a lot of this is coming through the UN. Plus your book Rockefeller controlling the game also hits on a specific curiosity that I've had too which why the Rockefellers who built their empire on oil seemed to suddenly do a 180 by demonizing and divesting from oil in about 2014. And of course, what was going on behind the scenes might have been different from what it appeared on the surface surprise surprise but that was the nagging question that drove you to write that book is that correct? Yes It was

04:19 The book came out in Swedish in 2019, but I had worked with this for 10 years. I was studying biofuels policy, the European Union Biofuels Policy. It was the topic for my dissertation or doctor thesis and as I was doing that I was writing a background chapter on climate because climate was so important for the European Union. They had to go into renewables to stave off global warming and so on, So I had a chapter with the background of climate. As I was doing that it was very strange for me to find out that some of the big meetings in the 80's

05:14 before the IPCC was founded, the meetings that led up to the founding they had been funded by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and the Rockefeller Foundation. And I thought it was very strange because I mean had studied energy politics and also everything with oil or have written a couple of papers about peak oil theory I mean, you stumble upon Exxon immediately and they were behind. They founded the Exxon Standard Oil Corporation and everything so it was just why do these people go into climate change? Yeah of course! I gave answer in Rockefeller control game

06:02 Yes, it's a great book and it's a deep dive into all the different books these elite people have written in the organizations they've started and where all their Rockefeller Foundation funds go. But I suppose that the gist of it is that they want a technocratic global control cabal more than they want an oil empire. Maybe they can have both, but that seems to be their competing motivations and the one that wins out is the one that gets them more control? Yes! I mean we have worked since the 50s with climate change and they put it on the political scene in the United States in the 60s

06:44 And it has always been about, they identified as a problem that span across borders. So it has to have international control and thats the thing with it! And they know also about everything about energy and how energy works and we know that we can't have windmills everywhere. Windmills or solar power won't do any good. It can't solve everything so fossil fuels will still be used. And I think when they have their technocratic global empire in place, we can use whatever energy they like. Yes! At that time they don't have to tell people that they have to give up the rights because of climate change, because then people won't have any right left so... Then they just can do what they ever like more or less

07:40 Yes, well said. And I was also going to ask you because we just hear so much more about Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum these days and the spotlight on the Rockefellers kind of has phased out a little bit but since David died a few years back is there anything important to note about the next generation that's in control now? How the passing of the torch has or has not affected the implementation of these big agendas? Nothing has changed really The only thing that's changed is that, I mean David was a more public figure. He was very...more known to people than the new generation while we have Jay Rockefeller of course who was a senator and Stephen Rockefeller professor religion but has been very involved in this agenda and as well as David Rockefeller Jr., And we also have the younger generations

08:38 We had Valerie Rockefeller that was heading the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and also Rockefeller Philanthropy Advisors. And they are still very much into the game, they are just continuing their agenda I think we have a meeting twice a year with whole Rockefeller family where we decide what we're going to do and what's up next So it's just a continuation of what they have been doing for the last hundred years or more. But they are not that known anymore, it is no big names It was when we had five brothers with Nelson for example, former vice president and John and Lawrence Rockefeller

09:24 Yeah, and that's probably to their benefit. And so to my knowledge your Rockefeller book is the only one published in English but it mentions a previous autobiographical book you wrote called An Inconvenient Journey in 2015 about what happens when you challenge powerful interests connected to the university and the difficulties getting one's research results out when contradicting general presuppositions Let's get into that a bit because you have all the right degrees and you were pretty embedded in academia. I'm curious what that story is, because there seems to be a real blockage there when it comes to getting more well-educated professionals to recognize this control scheme for what it is. Where did you first start to experience friction? And how can we get more people like you to see through this stuff for what it is? Because a lot of academics seem to be cheering it along

10:20 Yes, my real problems started when I was a new PhD student. It was in 2008-2009 and the thing that started it was when I wrote working paper called Thoughts Lead Into Action that I wanted to know the background of climate agenda and how everything had started then. When i was doing that it was just wow damn What a story and it's so unexpected. It was not like I had thought about it because, when I found all these big oil men in the background and also to the think tank club of Rome and everything there were so many things that I had to revalue everything that I have learned about history

11:15 environment and movement, because I found all these big actors behind this. And so I presented this for my supervisor at the time as a business. So wow! What a story? And I said, This is about global warming you know it's really correct to me. This is the big players. They run their oil business and everything When he read the paper, it was just no not interested. I could just throw it in the garbage can According to him he thought and now we shouldn't have a seminar about this don't continue with us It was his advice Don't continue and for me it was why? I mean This is huge And the thing was also that I was at them

12:09 the Climate Policy Center in my home city, Norrköping. And this climate policy center I first thought they were working for... I mean analyzing the politics behind climate and doing it more neutral don't have a bias in that and just take it for what it is But it was very obvious that they were working for the agenda. They didn't study politics, they wanted to make politics! They wanted to do work better than it was done and they had a lot of meetings and connections with the government in Sweden

12:58 So it was clearly very political and the professors, they were very involved in this. So when I came out and said that this agenda do you know where it comes from? Do you know who is running these things? They didn't want to hear that because all their funding and everything was about... It's based on the story of climate change And these people didn't have a clue about the story and how the climate issue had come up from the beginning. They just bought into it because I mean, it gave them power and prestige and money and everything that they wanted so if you come up with something that goes against that...I mean, it's not popular The thing was when I published this paper some people were quick to start labeling me as a denier even though I didn't mention climate science

13:57 It was just I have analyzed the actors and networks that were behind it, who were pushing for policy. And they didn't talk about climate science of course i delved into that as well and found that okay This isn't science was my reflection directly. I studied it and it took me an afternoon to find out that, this isn't science, its religion! They don't have anything they don't have any proof for anything but they claim to have the sciences settled everything right

14:37 And the thing is Sweden, at our universities when you are studying... I was studying political processes about environment and so on. It's a political there! So you can't go against it. It's very sensitive Yeah, it's like that here too from what I understand and that's a pretty good summary of the landscape. But let's jump to the present because in September of this year there is a big event happening called The Summit Of The Future and several policy briefs about this stuff are coming out in preparation and you've been covering them really well on your sub stack. One of them is called Information Integrity on Digital Platforms, and you call it an Orwellian future with tight control of information to tackle the existential threats they label as hate speech and disinformation. Well we know they want to control the narrative. We saw it with COVID talk to us about the things they plan to implement to achieve this goal

15:41 Well, it's so much. I mean the control of information... They have these initiatives one is called Verified Initiative and they already started with this and we started during a pandemic to label information and in the future they want more or less stop it before it goes out into the internet So I mean it's more or less like Ministry Of Truth And it's like the United Nations, they say that they're so interested in the views of people and the world. They want everyone's voice to be heard especially all these groups and people that are minorities and so on but they don't want to hear things that go against the United Nations own agenda

16:40 That is information, misinformation and hate speech for them. And in order to do this they also want everyone's information. They want to know who is saying what and collect everything what everyone says on the internet so they can track it and they can build profiles of you and flag you as a spreader all hate speech and bad information and so on. And that comes with digital ID as well to have an identity all time

17:20 in that way. They can also, if you talk about things that goes against the agenda or Agenda 2030 and so on they can just block you and they can also make life harder for you I mean we have this with CBDCs and so on many of us can have programmable money that you can't use if you say the wrong things. So it's so much things they have in this package, but is so totalitarian? Of course they don't package like that usually its sound so nice and their wording. But if you really go into and read all of the things, it gets really scary because when you know that these words maybe don't mean

18:15 those things for them. It's like they have taken every word and just corrupted it corrupted the meaning behind words like freedom and inclusion. You can hear Klaus Schwab's pronunciation of inclusion, so on... Indeed! And let me ask you about some current events in Europe because this show can often be pretty American focused but We have heard about the struggle with the Dutch farmers. We know that this attack on cows and fertilizers is happening more on your side of the pond, I'm sure it's in the mix over here too but it just seems like it's starting to roll out there in a bigger way what is the current state of that struggle? Are people at all waking up to the fact that hey just banning nitrogen fertilizers this doesn't seem like a smart idea given the situation we have and the yields of crops

19:17 It seems like a recipe for disaster. What's going on with that at this current stage? Yeah, I mean there has been protests against it when it hit farmers especially. I mean farmers have had tough times with authorities' schemes and what they are trying to do so they are tired of it and I think when this heats up more and more will wake up here. We have seen it, and I have experienced this as well especially among ordinary people not academics they are brainwashed almost every one of them but the ordinary people and a lot more

20:07 people that buy my books nowadays. I mean, as soon as they start to implement these things people can feel and they are affected of it the agenda so it changes things So think a lot of good things has happened in the Netherlands with people reacting now Well thats a silver lining I like to hear that but I think alot of times these agendas, sometimes they are rolled out covertly. And then by the time they actually affect you individually well the apparatus is in place it's too big and it's already there like an example might be the France situation because they just had not only a pretty big uprising over the retirement age getting bumped up from 62 to 64 now as soon as that was dying down now there's huge riots and protests over the shooting of

21:04 of this teen immigrant by the cops. I've heard several different angles on this, but a lot of researchers are saying that the roots of this issue would be the mass immigration brought in from North Africa and the Caribbean. Then something like this just pushes that cultural friction over the edge, maybe intentionally. Some are calling this France's George Floyd moment but what are your thoughts on this and the EU's immigration policy in general? How it might suit the aims of the UN and World Economic Forum?

21:42 Yeah, one thing is that people will just look on that part of agenda. And I know in Sweden it's very much about the Muslims and everything so every eyes are on them they are afraid of these people instead of reacting on the real agenda and the players that are behind it but also I think this started very much with big refugee crisis and what I think what happened during the pandemic woke up a lot more people and they could see the connections between these agendas. So more and more people wasn't left just into the immigration problem, they started to react and see that I mean this goes into also pandemics and climate and everything so... But of course if you're one of the top players

22:46 they have used this as a methodology to... They have a crisis that makes people just look into that direction, of course when they are implementing their greater plans for the world. But I think we did this as well with thinking about what happened when the pandemic was over and We had the invasion in Ukraine and so on. And every eye was there, and nobody talked about what happened with vaccine injuries and sudden death syndrome. That's a better strategy to always have this new crisis coming on but we won't have time to really reflect on what is happening and just be in shock all the time

23:38 But it's a difficult and hard played game at the same time because As I said, it has woken up more and more people. And more and more people are starting to talk to each other all over the globe. And I mean have so many new contacts in the last three years that I didn't have before. It was kind of lonely writing about Rockefeller and the climate before 2020 because it was me and a couple old climate professors that didn't like that their science had been hijacked. But now it's, I mean, I think it has gone to become a movement now with people reacting. Yeah, I think that's fair to say and I hope it continues to go but you're right about people at least some people realizing that these agendas do interlock but they have been really good about

24:42 taking any critics and shaming them with a label anti-vaxxer, covid denier climate denier. And the immigration thing obviously that's one of the thorniest to talk about and of course they want it that way but if you criticize that then your clearly are racist You don't have to be racist to see how pushing cultures together and then exploiting that friction can be used to keep people fighting each other rather than the big machine. And if you want to create a global control system, you need to break down the cultures and nationalities and get one big melting pot going for one world government. Some researchers

25:25 call this the white genocide, which is pretty aggressive as a term. But over here Robert F Kennedy Jr just went down to the Mexican border and said I didn't think it was a top priority problem but no now that i see it it is a real crisis the cartels have put the word out that it's an open border they're bringing people in by the thousands who don't have any resources and don't speak english and it's just unsustainable but it's what they want. So news media won't cover it and they attack anyone who brings it up as racist, seems like there are some pretty clear parallels to what goes on over there and what's going on here? Yes of course we're doing the same sort of agenda and they have said that there will be a lot more refugees coming in so I mean that's the modus operandi and of course

26:21 to make this omelet you have to crack the eggs and you have to shake everything. And also create a worldwide empire, one thing is that you have to destroy all the cultures of the world and people they are very afraid for Muslims and so on but this happens I mean they want to destabilize everything! They want to have an empire where we have nationalities mixed all over the world so that you can't find this strong cultural identification anywhere. The only thing that's left is kind of a bad substitute, a mishmash of standardized global culture

27:07 I mean, we have seen it for a long time with... Sweden is really an example of this. It's almost taboo to talk about Swedish tradition today. You can't do it you're racist! So this government and the governments of Sweden has since the 70s been at forefront to achieve this. And it's all about denying the past The past is bad and the future is good. The future is where we are aiming, and they are promising all this with paradise that will come in fruition somewhere in the future. It's like a Soviet Union and communist paradise. We just have to go through these very hard times

27:58 It will not be funny, but in the end it will be a great paradise for everyone. Of course we know that probably not! And of course the immigration thing is really just one aspect. Like I think we're doing a pretty good job of destroying culture on our own, but that is icing on the cake and when you're as pale as you and I are, we better not be proud of a damn thing except that our time is over! That seems to be one of the messages but... You also have a great three-part post called Russia, Ukraine and the emergence of a new global management regime. And in one part you show pretty clearly how embedded Russia is with the World Economic Forum. This is something I've had guests say

28:46 multiple things, you know contradictory things but you write to date 67 Russians have completed the World Economic Forum leadership program. This includes names that have or had close contacts with the Russian presidential administration well how should we fold that fact in and this cozy relationship in with a proper analysis of the general conflict between Russia and the West? The thing is I mean The players at the top, they are transnational. I mean what are nation states for them? What is West for them? What is East for them? It's just a grand chessboard as Spine Brzezinski talked about in his book with the same name so what we're seeing now it's just the last stages

29:44 in creating this new world empire. And this has been in the making for a long time, so I mean If we go back in history, I mean wars have been financed by these people. They're both sides. Second World War, First World War and we can go back to the 30th year war and so on it's an old thing but it's money power people that are behind this. And for them, I mean what is the United States for them? It's just something that they use it's a vessel for their interests but they have been using as they have been used you may use the British Empire before

30:37 And the British Empire was totally bankrupted, or more or less bankrupted after the Second World War and lost all their colonies. They just moved on to what was United States and they had moved on a couple of times before I mean that's how empire is working If we read books like... We have Joseph Tainter and his classics with Spengler about empires. I mean it's that thing an empire is doomed in itself, it starts and it has to expand and when it can't expand anymore just withers away and die but this was happening now which is the last big battle before and now we think they can have this globally Empire instead

31:37 And that's why we're heading for space. Yes, I wanted to ask you about that because they do have a policy brief about the future of outer space governance and you wrote a great post about it but one other thing about the Russia-Ukraine situation i wanted to try to squeeze in is The power plant, there's a lot of online talk about this nuclear power plant. It is in traditional Ukraine it is currently in the Russian controlled territory I think its top trend on Twitter right now A couple days ago I saw story about things that look like bombs going up on the outside the mainstream is saying Its Russia, I think Zelensky said it was Russia trying to blow thing out The alternative is saying Ukraine and the West is really behind it because

32:25 that might act as a catalyst to allow NATO to go full World War III. And it does seem like a very delicate situation that I kind of have some concerns about because it seems like the West is just poking, poking, poking trying to find the right catalysts to really launch this global war they might want to launch Are you keeping an eye on this pretty closely? Are you worried about this nuclear plant? I mean, by the time that this episode goes out to people maybe that story's over. One way or another but what are your thoughts on that and any other potential catalyst to really kick this up into the next level? Yes, it has been in the making for a long time now. Of course, I live in Sweden. It is close to Russia

33:17 And as you know, Sweden has applied for membership in NATO. It's a big thing now and of course the media here talks a lot about this nuclear power plant and everything scaring the public of course scare us to accept and go along with agenda but I don't know if... The strange thing was what i was looking on a Swedish comedy show that was from 2017 and they had an episode about the elections of 2022. It was satire of the future world, and the interesting thing was that

34:07 during this election, they were out and talking to people in the streets. And it was a third world war going on! And it was radiation everywhere and we had masks so I mean, it's almost like predictive program. You know? I mean, it has been going on for a long time but the interesting thing also is that what I was trying get thrown in my articles about Russia, Ukraine and WEF. I mean it's been going on in the background and we had this situation since 2014 or before but they have cooperated all the time behind the scenes and WEF

34:55 Speerbank CEO was a part of, almost one of the trustees on WEF just a month before the war started. And they also had this exercises cyber polygon exercise that was going on in Moscow for three years involving WEF and Western big corporations like ABB and so on. So they have had something going on, they have planned for this that's what I think. Yeah. It is much of a theater now. I agree and just to elaborate on what you were saying in part two of that Russia Ukraine and the emergence of a new global management regime series

35:42 You mentioned that the deep strategic importance of Ukraine for the globalists goes back to Brzezinski's The Grand Chessboard. And you write that, "...The country is considered to have great strategic importance as it is part of the Eurasian heartland and forms a bridge between Europe and Russia." According to British geostrategist, Halford Mackinder's Heartland Theory going back to the 1930s and 40s. This area is the key to controlling the world. He said who rules East Europe commands the heartland who rules the heartland commands the World Island who rules the World Island controls the world? So again just a backup what you're saying this is part of a very old plan and largely seems engineered

36:30 Yeah, it is. So it's very old and its knowledge that they have had and they had wanted to also that Europe and Russia don't be too cozy with each other in order to control this. And one thing is they also It's where the border is going in this coming World Federation, when we will have these big blocks. So now Ukraine will be a part of European Union block and then I would think that Russia will eventually have control over Donetsk and those Russian speaking areas

37:18 and that will be part of the peace agreement when it comes eventually. I mean, that was a lie with Kissinger said as well before that and they have their own big block European nor about Eurasian economic community consisting of Russia and Kazakhstan some of these central European republics that are more close to Russia. So I think the power players in Moscow, they want to control that area of course. So to get back to the UN policy briefs and this article that you wrote What's Next To The Moon?

38:05 which goes over the policy brief, The Future of Outer Space Governments. You write this policy brief formulates the grand vision to reestablish a presence on the moon with a way station, the Lunar Gateway and the development of a base at the South Pole of the moon as well as conducting a manned mission to Mars. These are old fantasies from the late 1940s that never seemed to materialize But their space-based opportunities also highlight the important link between outer space and the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, with the importance of satellite surveillance to track deforestation, monitor protected areas for illegal poaching and fishing, and assess biodiversity changes as well

38:50 as well as track our every move to the global navigation satellite systems. And I agree with you there, is there any more to say about their plans in this area? Space it's a lofty goal to get up there apparently some people think we never really have had much success there but yeah this is wild! Yes it is one big aspect of course it's for surveillance agenda and all the satellites But I mean, as we know it hasn't been a lot of talk about space now and space activities and UFOs. So one can speculate on what they have up their sleeve because they are talking about space threats, comets asteroids and debris in space that could hit Earth and so on but

39:45 It's like they have planned for something that deals with this extraterrestrial threat. I think it could be what Klaus Schwab talked about, the Black Swan. It's a possibility because they have invested so much in this space agenda now So, we will see what can happen. Yes hard to say in advance but here's something I didn't know that comes from one of your articles you write that the BRICS nations are often depicted as in opposition to Western domination however they are working to implement Agenda 2030 with the same enthusiasm as in the West and have adopted high-tech solutions with total surveillance of the entire Earth system and humanity to implement it

40:38 And of course, China is in the BRICS anagram. And we know that a lot of this is like the China template but that is also somewhat surprising that these nations are trying to unite against the Western dominance are really just trying to implement their own control system instead of actually being opposed to what the West is doing Yeah, the thing I mean United Nations it's the nations of the world. They are opposed to Western aggression why would they be opposed to the United Nations? They are a part of the United Nations China and Russia are founding members they are in the Security Council so why would they oppose United Nations agenda yeah it doesn't make sense

41:38 So when you look into the documents from BRICS, from their leaders' summits they all say we have to move on with United Nations Sustainable Development Agenda 2030. This is very important and also climate change everything that the United Nations says what they oppose is NATO and how NATO is expanding. That they can say something about, but they don't oppose the United Nations. Why would they? And also I mean these countries they are a part of G20 group Russia China everyone and if you go into what the G20 is I mean that is the premier forum global forum today

42:34 And as stated also in the policy briefs, they want to move more or less G20 into the United Nations. And that's an old idea... Or old? It's like when they started with G20 both Gordon Brown and Michel Gorbachev said we think they should have meetings in the United Nations And this G20 with countries like China, I mean in China was it like 2016? They had the big leaders meeting in China and there they decided to implement this new industrial agenda. The fourth Industrial Revolution. It was in China

43:19 And it was at the G20 summit. They did that and if you look into all the documents, I mean G20 is huge! They have meetings all year hundreds of meetings and it's all have to do with financials and upgrading the global system and how to prepare for future crisis. It was started as a reaction on on the global financial crisis And then they have added how they work with climate change and pandemics and terrorism as well. Those countries are part of that also in the leaders summit, they say that we work for the agenda 2030 it's very important. The thing is I think I mentioned this in one of the Russian Ukraine articles about that in Russia they have

44:20 A guy that's working with climate, he is the climate envoy for Vladimir Putin. And he said that we take this seriously with the climate. We will do this. We will continue with a Paris Agreement. We will not do like certain actors did in United States. And that's about Donald Trump of course and this thing will be leaving the Paris Agreement so they are not doing that I mean you can find it in these documents, of course we don't know what's happening inside the brains of these people and what was happening on secret meetings but

45:08 All that is official, we can see that they are following the script. They're doing this. They are implementing the agenda and so on. Yeah well the realization that the national divisions are just artificial and a lot of it is theater only makes the whole thing seem more guaranteed and harder to stop Yeah, of course it is. But you can't trust that a leader of some country will do something about it. You can't vote in an election and think that now this guy's in and he was going to change everything

45:54 No, it won't happen. Not today! This has to be a grassroots thing. It must be a thing when people are realizing how this big machine is working and not buy into this propaganda and all of this shit. Yeah... It's just too abandon the sinking ship Yeah, I mean, I agree though. Like the audience and myself and yourself we've realized it for years we've seen it for years they write the books they tell us what they're going to do It just seems like we can only watch although little things do happen this is something hopeful that came from your book but you mentioned

46:37 Sometimes there are limits to what citizens will accept. In August of 2019, the city of Norrköping in Sweden announced that they had purchased bracelets with Bluetooth tracking chips to be tested on 12-15 year old children in a kindergarten. The bracelets would alert staff if children attempted to move outside the kindergarten area known as geofencing This pilot project was said to be part of the Department of Education's efforts to increase school attendance, thus not just preschoolers. The announcement elicited intense reactions from both the public, the political opposition and the Swedish Data Protection Authority leading to the project being stopped."

47:21 And that's one of those things that does make me hopeful. I think they have to overstep and then we have to react, and with enough of those reactions more people will see how these things are interlocked. Then maybe there is some hope there but...I like those little anecdotes about actual pushback. I don't know if you know any others but that one was pretty nice! Yes, and i think it's..i think they are in a hurry now with their agenda Because they feel that more, especially after the pandemic that so many people reacted and thought this was just pure madness. Just evil! And the thing where they actually wanted to have is summit of the future this year in 2023 Why did they want it so early? It was because a lot of people are still in panic

48:24 But as I read in a think tank involved in this preparation, and they wrote that there were some member states who are kind of suspicious on this summit. And that it was supposed to be held so quickly so they demanded that we have more time. So I think something has happened now They feel that they have to do this very, very fast. And I mean they had this announcement of the Decade of Action in 2019

49:06 that they wanted to go on very fast because we knew the time was running out and it was running out for them. So, so we have to do this now because before people will wake up and understand what we are really doing. And then they started this madman project with a pandemic and all things that came with it. This is the plan but this plan I think has backfired And now they're trying, with this our common agenda to try to put back truth somewhere where people won't find it. But they can do it I mean it's everywhere!

49:51 You can't hide it. That's why we try to do this, I mean the Ministry of Truth and be on the internet and policing everything and they think that we will have this artificial intelligence that will be everywhere and analyze and just pam-pam-pam-pam but i think they have...I mean that's technology and technology can be scary and it can be powerful, it could be everything But we have something that is much better than that. I usually refer it to, I mean we talk through internet but i refer as a godnet. I have something that's outside this that gives me information and connects with people and so on that's not technological. And the more they push, the more power the opposing side gets. That's how it works all of time

50:53 And now we try to get out of that. One thing is also that they may decide, what should we do? Maybe we have to just get rid of humanity before it will catch us so... Yes and I think i said an error earlier that the event was going to take place in September of this year but yes they pushed it back because people were a little too skeptical of it I like kind of trying to analyze the timeline thin because it does come up agenda 21 turned into a gender 2030 and a lot of this stuff does seem to get pushed back probably because they think that

51:36 The speed and the pressure is what gets people to be skeptical of it. And they think, oh just we'll just kick the can down spread it out a little bit more incrementalism as they say but do you think there's something else that they're actually worried about timeline wise? There are some researchers who talk about natural cycles of catastrophe. There's others that just think it's a great awakening and they're trying to beat that What do you think their urgency is about? Just that they've come so far already that they need to get the final pieces in place to win the game, or is there some outside factor that might be driving the urgency. The thing is I usually refer to a thing that Ivy Lee said to John D Rockefeller

52:24 senior and junior in the... it was during after this Ludlow massacre in 1940. And they needed advice on how to win back trust from the public, after all these scandals and how the Standard Oil Corporation behaved as well. And Ivy Lee said you can get a better reputation by giving people things give them dimes and what the young Rockefeller did, buying magazines and supporting education on everything. But he said one thing and it was you can't lie! You must tell the truth. Yeah And because in the end, but public will know we will find out eventually that you have lied. It might take time but they will

53:26 And it was like at that moment they thought that, okay but if we tell people what truth is then we will win. So they started to fund this university I mean they have done it before as well but now it became a really big thing to get what they wanted so to own the science and own the truth But as I will say, it doesn't matter. You can't own the science or the truth because truth is something else. It's something outside what we can manipulate as humans. It's there anywhere! The truth is absolute so time is catching up. It's really catching up

54:25 and they are feeling it. So I think it's both a thing that they have done, but also unnatural... It is like a natural law that truth will find its way. It will always find its way and they are trying to... The only thing they can do is get a few more years before the truth will hit them. And that's why I think we're in this situation Because this is so over the top. I mean, why couldn't they just continue as we did before? Be more behind the scenes and manipulate things and so on but we had a kind of okay living

55:18 but now they have stepped over everything. Yeah, and it's just so crazy! They're addicted I mean it's not this is not what you do...I mean that's not what you do when you have control over the situation right? It's like they're addicted they just have to push and push and push and maybe like that is a mechanism of the universe that we should ultimately be thankful for because it will eventually break the control apparatus I suppose Unless people just continue to go along with it, but we will see. And so as we're trying to bring this thing to a close it's pretty obvious that I'm going to ask you again what can we do? Because the reality is that many people are just trained to trust the system and the rest of us just keep tracking what these plans are but tracking things and pointing out the goals doesn't do a whole lot

56:08 to actually stop their progress? Are we just stuck in a never-ending sound the alarm educational phase, or can we actually do anything practical to stop this stuff when we're in the minority and majority has been propagandized into seeing us as the problem. We've talked about this stuff coming for several years I know it's coming but is there anything else to do strategically other than wait and watch it happen? The thing is, I mean we just have to continue to speak out. We have to talk to people inform people there are more of us now a lot more people and we will eventually reach a point

56:59 a kind of tipping point that usually climate scientists talk about. A tipping point when enough people will understand and at that time, everyone else will start to say, ah wait a minute there's something happening here and I think we are close to that point actually We don't have to be 80% to change things I mean, we have 80% that just do what others do. We just have to have a little group that can influence because one thing is that before when we talked about these things it was one in the family, it was like strangers DSU had

58:01 but they hardly knew anyone else that talked about it. But now, it suddenly is okay I was at the soccer field and talk to one person there and he talked about that And then when I was at work another is talking about these things and they suddenly be heard from multiple sources and that changes things perspective for people, ordinary people. And I can just take examples for myself. I was have a grocery store very close by and one day I went there and that was suddenly talked a bit with she sat in the cashier and suddenly she said, Ah, I've been following you. I'll be following you on Facebook. And I agree

59:01 She's just an ordinary, she is sitting. I buy food from her almost every day." While you still can buy food that is? Yeah and also the other day it was something wrong with my washing machine and how to send for a guy but wanted to check this. And he came into my home when we had repaired what they should do We started to talk a bit and he saw my books and he said, wow you have so many cool books. You know? Wow I'm very interested about these things on history and how things are working for real. And then i just told him, you know, I write books! So when I showed my Global Coup d'Etat and Rockefeller book and he was like WOW

59:56 And maybe you want a book? Yeah, he said. So I signed the book for him and he's just an ordinary guy. And I meet these people everywhere nowadays so it's not just few conspiracy theorists or deniers and so on. It's like a grassroots movement that is growing, and we find people everywhere now. It wasn't that way just five years ago it was unusual. So I think things are happening. I'm generally positive

1:00:36 Yeah, yeah. I try to be it's just it's tough you know its ebbs and flows I guess but well I would say I Just in closing really appreciate your dedication to this work. I know it can be hard on a person I definitely go through waves of hopelessness and frustration that so many people are ignorant about this It's like watching a car crash in slow motion but There are those moments, as you say with the checker at the grocery store where people you don't expect to be interested end up interested and going down the rabbit hole. So thank you for giving us a more European perspective and for a breakdown of the latest policy briefs from the UN some crazy stuff in there but for people who want to follow your work more closely give them the links that they need. Yes can go to my home page

1:01:28 JacobNordanGard.se or I also have a sub stack DrJacobNordangard but on my homepage you find everything, i also have a youtube channel just search for my name and you will find it and i have interviews and other things uploaded there And you can find my books as well from my home page or thefaroesmedia.se Nice. I love it! Yes, and uh...I encourage people to check out the sub stack It's a great one and thanks again for taking the time i'm happy to be on the right side of history with you regardless Of how it shakes out we do what we can't I guess but keep fighting the good fight and take care out there Yeah, thanks a lot The power of Christ compels your people ah it's hard to know what to say after an interview like this

1:02:33 I am aware that this is review for a lot of us, but it is nice to talk to someone who reads these policy briefs or really reads between the lines of them and can keep us updated on the latest aspects of this tyrannical takeover in their own words. The European perspective is probably appreciated from our listeners overseas as well. I know you guys are probably going to face the brunt of a lot of this stuff I don't want it to ever seem like we aren't concerned or we forgot about you just because were over here dealing with our own thing. It's a global agenda and i think it needs global resistance so, we're all in this one together and thanks again to gramerica for helping set the interview up obviously the big summit of the future event in september next year is where we're really gonna hear about the next big round of crazy plans

1:03:28 But as for the second hour, most of the plus show was getting deeper into where a lot of these plans are already currently implemented. Where are the central bank digital currencies are launching? The state-of-health passports and digital IDs. Sadly, a lot of these things are further along than we tend to think and instead of COVID which was a big scramble to rush these projects next time they will be ready and we won't be able to write them off as easily as we did before They're working now to seal up those cracks that a lot of us slip through. Quite scary but it was also great to ask the guy who named his band warden clip about alternative energy system suppression, my favorite part of the second hour and probably the craziest part of this whole interview i might try to make it the plus clip that i share but i think its too long with the insane plans to alter humans to better comply with these

1:04:26 Systems and to be better adapted to the changes in the world are trying to make genetically engineering us to be more agreeable, engineering us to have negative reactions to meet or to have products similar to nicotine patches too. Save off our meat cravings these are real ideas by the people who have the power to implement them and they're just wild nutty stuff Sign up for PLUS if you like the show I do and want to hear more of it. 7 day free trial to get you started, double your pleasure, double your fun! You can signup with the link right there in your show notes and be listening to The PLUS Show before i'm even done here

1:05:09 But I also like that he got on this track by watching the Rockefellers big pivot and the premise that they know this green tech will fail so they can run up one market, suppress another and then flip the switch again. And just cash in on oil when the world wakes up as we talked about a lot of the oil divesting was surface level anyway but they do seem willing to push the Green Agenda because it's not going to work and these social control aspects are just too appealing So i really like doctor jakob norden guards work he did want me to mention that he just signed a publishing deal with sky horse who is gonna be putting out his other books in english and that's a beautiful thing. Let him know you dug this if ya did and for the metal fans out there you'd probably like warden cliff if you like lyrics that tie back into the sort of work he does

1:06:01 And in higher side news i'm just chugging along i did hear back from both of the money bomb winners one was late to respond because he had an accident and broke his leg. So i'm glad i gave them a little extra grace period and the money is going to someone who just had, are recent setback like that but let's play the messages Hey, Greg. Just wanted to say thanks for being the most recent recipient of your money bomb I just had a recent stay in the hospital. I broke my leg so i'll probably use that money for some hospital bills Thanks for that. I Love the show. I've been a member since 2016 Some of my favorite guests are dr feral Chris knowles and of course gordon white Keep up the good work. Thanks man

1:06:53 Hey Greg, my name's Kevin. I'm in the Austin area and just heard on the latest episode that somebody better check their email to see if they're the Money Bomb winner and low and behold I did and won! Amazing surprise very grateful I'm going to use the money if it's still available. You probably should have given it to somebody else by now, but if it's still around and available... I've been wanting to have a meetup and go out on that ledge and schedule something for some like-minded people so we can get together and chat. And I'll pick up the tab

1:07:47 meet some other THC friends. So I appreciate it, yeah just want to say my favorite episode and how i got turned on to you was the Diana Pasolka episode. And man, I just want to say that you as an interviewer are amazing. You're excellent sets you apart from anyone else and puts you in a category that... You know, you're asking these guests questions that are deep and profound challenging

1:08:29 I get a lot from your interviews and I know other people do too. And on behalf of all of us, just want to say thanks for that and you really taken me down many, many rabbit holes and sometimes I appreciate it. And sometimes I kind of hate you for it but man, I love you and love all the listeners and excited to do something good with the cash and pay forward in the spirit of marketing THC get it all get it all moving and grooving man so thank you so much from the bottom of my heart and keep doing what your doing man its much much appreciated take care peace awesome great stuff congrats to both of you guys we get to offset a little bad luck for one guy and if your in the Austin area apparently a couple free drinks are coming your way so keep an eye on the meetup calendar for that local event

1:09:31 A thousand bucks given back to a couple of listeners. I really like this little circle of life thing that we're doing, keeping the money flowing within our network it's kind of adjacent to buying local you know keeping the money flowing within businesses that are actually independently owned and have the values and philosophy that are important to us so i think you know where my head was with this no philosophically i like this sort of approach but i gotta say that this idea as a marketing solution has been a pretty big failure.

1:10:13 I've got no big requests to come on other shows it doesn't really seem like the audience is helping with the goal of getting me in front of a bigger. Audience out there on other podcasts to promote thc, no big names have reached out and say hey i've gotten a lot of request that i come on your show and i can't say i've seen any clips being shared out there that i didn't make myself so Pretty much a failure, which is fine. Like I said, i've spent marketing money before that didn't really move the needle so I just thought I'd try to do it again but in a more creative way. I've had more success with this show than I could have come up with my wildest dreams so I'm happy and its that overall success allows me to just laugh at trying something that didn't really work

1:11:07 Of course we're not totally done yet, two more shows left this month and another thousand bucks to give away between two more lucky listeners. But I don't think i can continue doing it unless something major happens that justifies doing it again or to be less vague we'd at least need a bump in plus members to cover the cost 250 of them seems like a lot to get in 2 weeks but the free audience is tens of thousands of people So it's not like I'd need any more than an extra 5% jump to feel like this idea did mean something to some of you guys out there. But i'm not holding my breath, I get it people have their own lives and their own things to do they just want to hear a podcast they like and move on without being asked to do anything! I understand that so let's check the calendar and then we will call it in The next events where THC fans are meeting other THC fans would be

1:12:05 July 22nd we got one in Warden, Indiana. I think that's new and it looks like this one is focused on homesteading and sustainable living so definitely the right application for a local network meetup also July 22nd Los Angeles California July 23rd, London and July 28th is that Southwest Ohio Zoom meetup to find out where people want to meet up in the future. Looks like we got four or five filling up for August as well so that's nice to see of course you know don't be shy!

1:12:44 Anyone can hop on that calendar and make an event. It's free, it's easy expand your local network with the right kind of people! That is why I did this and that is why I pay for to be maintained. It feels like important thing especially after episode like this so take advantage before the next crisis. But thats'it from me big thanks again to our guest keep an eye on his work until him thanks have done my part Your move takeover tyrants, technocratic agenda implementers and globalist goons. Your fucking move. This is important hear what I say i'm trying to tell you it's not paranoia not in my head It's just the hard truth Knocked on your door while I still can To ask you cuz I know your head Is still in the sand

1:13:46 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know where are- Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's a skit, skit okay Can't you see that we're

1:14:33 You sit and wish but we don't have a choice It seems we're stuck here But you can find nose to drown out the noise Now use that altar, end up your magic game And listen to THC, you know Go with the edities if you ever see Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know where our cum- Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you anyways It's all unskillkate Ay ay

1:15:57 Don't be sheep to your slaughter for the rest of your life Oppressed, oppressed but you're getting woke You say you don't want to be stressed until the day you die Tough luck my friend Did ya get the memo? Can't you see that we're so screwed? Don't you know we are kung fu? Can't you just admit we're screwed I'm gonna tell you this anyway It's a scary story Can't you see that we're