Daniel Pinchbeck | Trump, Initiation, & The Ecological Crisis

01:36 We recorded this interview bright and early on the morning after election day so it hadn't even been confirmed that Trump had won until I woke up, and was still in disbelief. Maybe I still am? I know the news was fresh for Daniel too – he's the first person I think I spoke to about it besides my special lady – while I'm no Trump supporter you'd have to be pretty naive to think he isn't a puppet of some other hidden hand in the game of power pyramid thrones that goes on behind-the-scenes I chose then and still do to be a little bit more celebratory over the fact that the Clinton machine was stopped. That is really interesting to me, not only stopped but then her inner circle was exposed with this pizza gate spirit cooking type stuff that just never really happens any conspiracy enthusiasts should be kicking back with the popcorn because there has been something big happening behind the scenes but i don't want to get too crazy here

02:31 Although I would love to see Hillary sweat while she tries to explain to Monsanto, JP Morgan Chase, Saudi Arabia and the rest of her big donors that their investments aren't going to yield the type of influence they thought they might. So I just try to look at the positives here But I'm wasting too much time. I just want to also throw out that we finally launched the Hireside clothing, so all new high quality shirts with literally the best conspiratorial full-color art i've seen on any clothing period! I met some new artists that are amazing that also happen to be listeners, so every design ties directly in with a previous Hireside Chats episode We got Hollow Earth stuff, we got Baphomet stuff, we got education conspiracy stuff

03:14 We even got JP Morgan, sank the Titanic to institute the Federal Reserve stuff. So I think you're going to love it all. Thehighersideclothing.com or click shop on the higher side chats dot com But that's a big deal for me, launching T-Shirt Company 2.0! His new book is also very well written. Even if we have a couple of minor disagreements, I like to think we're pretty aligned on the big things and both want what's best for people and the planet so let's do the damn thing play us in plate scrapers! And we'll be taking a dive into the mind of the great wise eighth wonder of the world Daniel Pinchbeck on The Other Side. Back even park it tune it and spark it cause Greg's about to open up your mind

04:12 Armed with information about his secret manipulation And the wisest aficionados he can find And he's pulling back, parroting on what we thought we knew for certain So that we can see the world with a brand new set of eyes You're listening to The Higher Sessions Alright, Hireside Chatters. It seems to me that even the most dense of observers can see that we have serious problems The economic game the Rockefeller Rothschild reality is built on is more one-sided and unstable than ever The earth seems to be going through some serious stress while multinational companies continue to pick its bones clean without regard And the one two punch of media and education has dumbed down the population and pacified our pineal so thoroughly That most of the mainstream wade through life in defeated apathy and exhausted indifference

05:05 It's a multifaceted crisis of consciousness like we've never seen, and as the proverbial train comes closer and closer to derailment the shadowy cabal of conductors seems to have little game planned beyond full steam ahead. Well todays guest has racked his brain broken open the head and ceremoniously sent his consciousness deep into the great beyond in attempts to develop a system of solutions for the rickety runaway train we call modern society He is the renowned author, philosopher and psychonaut Daniel Pinchbeck. And having gotten himself on the radar with his first two books Breaking Open The Head and 2012 The Return of Quetzalcoatl he's laying out the road map to right the ship and solve many of the previously mentioned problems in his latest book How Soon Is Now? I can't wait to dive into it and it's a real treat to have him here just after our national exercise in false choices on this fine fine post-election morning. Daniel my man welcome to the higher side!

05:55 Thanks for having me Yeah, yeah so happy to have you here man We scheduled this yesterday and then we had to postpone it And I'm so glad we did because I think we're both pretty shocked about Trump winning this morning. You gotta be right What do you think? This means? Yeah, it's interesting. You know, I was for a long time during the election convinced that he was gonna win after seeing I think maybe like debate he did one of the first debates and then you know after you know, the whole sex scandals and everything. And I thought maybe she was going to pull it out but I sort of got behind the rallying around her so yeah it's definitely in the reality of it is quite shocking

06:37 It really is and I'm seeing a lot of people saying that this means America is more racist than they thought or more sexist than they thought. And, I just reject that you could blame the DNC more than you could racism and I know he said some crazy insensitive things but that doesn't translate to policy as much as Clinton giving six-figure speeches for banks, or selling influence to corporations in foreign countries with their foundation. Or pushing for every conflict in the last 15 years and I think that would be a better focus of people's attention reeling back the globalist agenda isn't so bad and if you've cried in the last 12 hours are posted about how your heart hurts

07:15 Maybe you're too attached to mainstream politics and blinded by the liberal viewpoint. But that's just me, not that I would support either one of them really. Yeah, I mean... You know, I guess the fear of his demagogic rhetoric would be that there have been other situations like this that end up with a kind of dismantling even those kinds of moderate democratic institutions that have developed over centuries Yeah totally, totally fair points. I mean these people become you know dynasties like Peron and Argentina or Berlusconi in Italy or whatever but i guess you know I feel a sadness that so many people did vote for this person after everything that he's expressed and for me it really comes down to

08:04 I guess in a way like a program of maybe the ruling elites in this society that sort of chose on many levels to kind of dumb down the American population. Starting in the 60s, with The Great Society people were getting better education they were beginning to turn onto civil rights and psychedelic substances and so on. And under the Nixon era there was a sense that conservatives were terrified by the direction So, you know in a way they pulled the funding from public schools. They created the war on drugs. A number of different efforts which have ended up really creating us a stultified population who are kind of indoctrinated by this mass media that's just totally programming their minds eating food that feeds ill health

08:59 And also being fed psychopharmaceutical drugs to keep them in artificial states, you know. So it feels like Trump is the result of 50 years of disastrous policy Right on. Yeah, I get what you're saying man and it's a false choice anyway but if you look at the three most popular politicians of the last decade You got Obama now we have Trump and I would say Sanders And I think Sanders woulda had alot more support than Trump if that was allowed to be an option So I think if you cut through the drama and media hype The point the American voters are trying to make is no more establishment politicians It's not like most people support racism or sexist statements

09:42 But if those are aspects of the only other choice on the table, it just shows how serious people are about no more of these corrupt political dynasties. So I'm trying to stay positive about the results that we've just been blindsided by. Well, I think there is a possibility that in some ways this is the best result As hard as it's gonna be for people to stomach it in the near term. I mean, you know we saw under Barack Obama kind of like the best option for what a US president can accomplish And, you know nothing was really done to deal with. I mean from my perspective and the perspective of my new book How Soon Is Now? The first primary thing that we have to recognize is that we are on the verge of committing suicide as a species or on the verge of bringing out about either a mega collapse of our support systems or even our own extinction

10:38 And we can see what's happening to the acceleration climate change and melting of ice caps were losing. Ten percent roughly of the earths remaining biodiversity every ten to fifteen years you know hundred and fifty species a day estimated going extinct out of eight point two million total on the planet Current predictions are 4 degrees Celsius temperature warmer by 2100. We know the last time there was this much carbon in the atmosphere, temperatures were four degrees Celsius warmer and sea levels were 100 feet higher so that's where we're headed at this point but we also have learned that it doesn't happen incrementally but actually it can spike and actually become for a short period much warmer This happens because of deposits of methane that are frozen

11:27 in the Siberian permafrost and under the Arctic Circle, and so on. And methane... Well CO2 lasts in the atmosphere for 100 years. Methane only lasts in the atmosphere for about 10 years but it's something like 30 times more potent as a heat-trapping gas than CO2. There is something like 100 gigatons of it frozen. So the Permian mass extinction which happened about 250 million years ago 95% percent of all life on Earth went extinct I think it was half century or something once this methane erupted in large quantities. That's on the press, that methane is already coming up so what we saw with Barack Obama and we're about to see with Hillary Clinton

12:09 These are politicians who are intelligent enough, you would think to understand that this is the critical... Our life support systems are the critical issue. And then on the other thing about the temperature spiking is obviously it affects... We're already seeing forest fires all around the world that are releasing CO2 and those forests only react as carbon sinks at something like four or five degrees Celsius warmer than now. That has a big impact on the plankton lifecycle in the ocean And while the forests around the world produce about 20% of the oxygen we breathe, the plankton in the ocean produce more than like 50%. So essentially if we warm to a point where the plankton isn't reproducing and we've gotten rid of our forests because they dry out and burn. We don't have any oxygen left then we suffocate, we asphyxiate

12:56 So yeah, even these seemingly rational and well-educated by the system and entrenched in the establishment politicians like Obama and Clinton have proven themselves totally useless and unable to address the underlying issues that really matter to our collective future. So in that sense, I think that the fact that the neoliberal agenda is finally perhaps dismantled or the establishment around it through this election could be a good thing. And the possibility that much more authentic radical alternatives could actually emerge is something that actually has to happen and perhaps it can only happen in an emergency situation

13:42 Right, yeah. And that was going to be one of my first questions for you really before I did end up replanning a bit of this this morning But your book is largely about climate change and that is probably one of the unfortunate things about a Trump win Is that we're probably gonna go backwards in some of those areas a bit back to coal This pipeline thing is probably gonna Go through more fracking and stuff that can really do lasting damage and I hope we don't end up with more poison and contaminants and drinking water as just one example of what can happen. Powerful framing is the planetary boundaries model, Stockholm Resilience Center. Where climate change is only a piece of the puzzle that also includes biodiversity loss ocean acidification The oceans are 30% more acidic than they were 40 years ago because they absorb a lot of CO2 we're emitting and that's leading to breakdown of coral reefs and so on atmospheric pollution ozone depletion and so on

14:43 Yeah, it's just like whatever reason I kind of wince when people reduce it to climate change because I feel its become one of those instant memes that sort of just falls in a kind of dead space in peoples psyche almost. That's true yeah, It's definitely been politicized and is one of those buzzwords But yeah the question is whether this... Well I guess what the... One of the... I mean I can give you the basic hypotheses or ideas of the book What is that this ecological crisis is a right of passage or initiation for humanity and if we're gonna survive the species which is kind of in doubt. You know how many of us make it through where can i have to undergo shift from our current state of adolescence you got his own narcissism to your collective individual responsibility for the fate of the whole

15:38 That's basically what initiations are about in traditional societies. The adolescent isn't seen as a full adult until they've had a kind of transpersonal visionary experience that has enlarged the scope of their awareness to understand that their life is part of a larger continuum and actually even understanding there is a supernatural or spiritual dimension to existence, then allows them to take on the role of society as a full adults So humanity, the modern society did away with initiations. I was very inspired by this German philosopher Walter Benjamin who talked about how humanity has this intrinsic need to have ecstatic communion with the cosmos and if we don't manage this through culturally created rituals then we will upon ourselves unconsciously through wars and disasters and so on. And I almost feel that ecological crisis is something that we are subconsciously

16:36 self-willing or self creating to force, to bring ourselves to transformation or transmutation or something. Mm-hmm. And that is one of my favorite points you make in the book, that the big gaping hole in modern Western society is the initiatory experience and I think there's some weight to that when I compare The lives of people I've known from kindergarten who have taken insight from their psychedelic experiences versus those who have lived a more sober mainstream career oriented life it does feel like there is some stunted growth with that latter group And I'm curious just how damaging you'd consider that one action, because we could get conspiratorial about all the ways we've been affected reducing nutrients in the food supply dumbing us down and state-run education programs. But how much of our problems or the damage that's been done do you think can be attributed just to that source of the lost initiation? Yeah i mean um

17:35 I resist, by the way, the kind of us and they rhetoric which a lot of people on the conspiratorial left fall into. It's much more subtle and intricate than that but yeah sometime in the early... as Christianity rose to prominence up until 400 AD or whatever, you know there was the Lucidian mysteries that had gone on for 2500 years and there was this idea that at least the sort of leaders in society the cultural and philosophical and political leaders would come together. And have an experience together that may have involved actually a psychedelic substance annually. You know that idea that they needed to be at least be initiation for some percentage of the population

18:20 Was then yeah kind of shifted as we went into Christianity to an indoctrination system So religions monotheistic religions are kind of moral codes, you know They're exoteric not esoteric. They don't promote the individual having their own experience except through kind of slavish Devotion or fealty or whatever it's really in a priest class or whatever So yeah, and so somehow like I think that became the way things were propagated. The new system and then in a way with 19th to 20th century discovery of mass media communications tools the whole media communication system is like a giant indoctrination or mind programming system And so that's kind of what we're seeing at this point is In a way it feels It's kind of interesting

19:09 with this election, you know the part of the reckoning is going to be on the part of the media which has been so responsible for the dumbing down and population or exacerbating their lowest appetites for feeding them shit basically. And now they fed them so much shit that you know they've become shit. Well said! Why don't we talk about that us-versus-them mindset and the situation we're in with the elite? Because maybe you can't draw distinct lines around us and them, and you're right that we have major problems coming—an economic crisis and an environmental one. But how much responsibility is the average person supposed to take because I think most people want world peace equality good natural food in a clean environment but

19:54 But we didn't start fractional reserve banking or poison the groundwater with fracking. And it does seem like it's a small group of globalists and international corporations that engineer these wars and conflicts, and it's these huge corporations that drive pollution because they don't care about ethics in their large scale operations, and they've limited our choices. History shows that we had alcohol-based fuel and viable electric vehicles before we had our options reduced to standard oil, and we had hemp as a much more renewable resource before that was blocked by industrialists who had logging companies and wanted to make everything out of oil-based plastics. It seems like there are solutions, but they've just been kept off limits to us and we didn't make these decisions." Yeah I mean you know once again i don't really think in terms of blame or fault because i'm not sure how useful that is. I try to understand things on a systemic level

20:49 for whatever reason, things have turned out this way at the present time. And then the question is what are the tools and strategies that could be used to bring about change to the system? Obviously on a much deeper level than just political reform. In my new book I kind of look at it as trying to envision kind of a new operating system. It's almost like all of our interlocking institutions, the political economic media entertainment military industrial entertainment complex. It's all like a system that has its own frequency and discourse and so on but that operating system for consciousness has reached its end point so then the question is

21:44 What's available to us as options for constructing a new system and for me like obviously the evolution of social technology and communications tools. point towards the potential to have a rapid change i mean it's extraordinary that facebook just started ten years ago by college kid and now its got over a billion people using everyday. You know what's up like that could be used not just for people to display their photos and make little updates in theory we can use our social technologies to supplant or supersede

22:26 many of the functions of the current political economic super state. Yeah, and I do love the new book and the roadmap you put out, the blueprint you lay out...I'm in such agreement with so many of those things but ...and i guess i'm just cynical and I hope that I am wrong but.. I guess my argument is Is it a problem that we don't have a proper blueprint or road map? Or is the problem that We're not allowed to change it in some other key areas that we want too I mean, I felt that we first of all needed the blueprint or the roadmap. My books generally have come out of my own... It's almost like an inner sense

23:08 discomfort or the strange sense that they're like, you know I go to bookstores or look through the media and there's some missing jigsaw puzzle piece. You know where there is something important that isn't really being understood properly by me or anyone else so it was my first book breaking open the head on psychedelic shamanism. You know i started to have these incredibly amazing visionary experiences through psychedelics and going to tribal people in Africa, and so on. I felt that there was nothing that really explained it properly to put all the pieces together of what it could mean in terms of history of ideas and anthropology and literature and

23:51 So that led me to write Breaking Open the Head. In the second book, 2012 similarly then having through the research of Breaking Open the Head my worldview shifted from just sort of a scientific materialist cynic to recognizing that there are these kind of occult dimensions, these shamanic realms, the collective unconscious that Jung talked about like I had so many direct experiences with these things and realized that the Western rational knowledge system was completely defunct in certain respects And yes, that we sort of suppress and repressed indigenous knowledge systems. We had no access to understanding their way of being and knowing the nature reality. So the book was in attempt to kind of heal the knowledge system by finding the junction points between Western thoughts

24:37 I think there's Heidegger, Nietzsche and Carl Jung and Rudolf Steiner. And these indigenous understandings of the nature of the world, nature reality, and the nature of time that we're in is being this time a prophetic change. So that's always in the background of my thinking. Having done that book then my next question was having understood maybe a different model of reality that were in how does that then apply to the pragmatic system that has everybody kind of in its thrall, what is the base of that system and how do we bring about its transcendence to create a world that works for everybody? I'm very much inspired by people like Buckminster Fuller and his book Utopia or Oblivion. Murray Bookchin, The Social Ecologist, and even Oscar Wilde's incredible essay The Soul Of Man Under Socialism. Yeah so that was kinda the point of the new book. And I do think that we need blueprint

25:33 You know an example of a look at milton friedman and if you read the book the shock doctrine but not free was the lead to neoliberal economist who advocated for privatization so on. And do starting in the sixties or seventies he was working with a whole group and they realize that, did they want it to move society direction what's your dad is gonna require kind of a effort You know and so they began to create institutions like think tanks in magazines. And books and so on and don't free basically said one point that you know what a crisis comes the ideas that get applied or the ones that happen to be lying around

26:14 So then 1989 happens and other things before that, but the Berlin Wall fell and the neoliberal economists rushed into the Soviet Union with solutions which were privatized state-owned industries essentially leading to the rise of oligarchies and Putin. We can see that we're already in a crisis – low level crisis for certain extent but probably bigger thresholds of crisis are coming. My idea was that just as the neoliberal economists had put out a plan that could then be applied, kind of the anarchist spiritual echo conscious left also needed to have more of a kind of plan and go okay this is actually something we can work together towards.

27:00 And you know, you mentioned indigenous people and it's amazing that you have that context of actually spending time with them because when talking about changing the system there is a fundamental debate over the worst aspects of people. Greed, selfishness, jealousy one-upmanship rage all these sorts of things and the concern seems to be how much of these traits come out of us as a result of the system we're in? quelled in a different model or versus how much of this is just human nature and we're stuck with it. Did your time with indigenous people give you any insights there into how people might behave outside of the Western system? Yeah, I mean absolutely! And i think the evidence is very strong that there really isn't any human nature as such

27:45 human nature is very malleable and contextual, people will basically do what brings them reward in however that is constituted. They'll also seek to do things that have meaning, you know they make their lives feel meaningful. In the same century, 20th century had Gandhi getting millions of people in India to work in the Satyagraha method of nonviolent direct activism, actually sitting in front of the guns and clubs of colonialists going to prison which would bring about a peaceful transition. And you had Hitler telling his followers to perform genocide against minorities and Jews and so on. So human nature is a vast spectrum. I think what defines human nature is the context and what society values and considers meaningful

28:39 One book that I discuss in How Soon Is Now is by Rebecca Sulnit. It's called A Paradise Built In Hell, and she went to the aftermath of many big disaster areas and basically what she recounted was that when these huge crises hit immediate crisis people actually go into a mode of extreme altruism and caring for each other and suddenly the sort of egocentrism, separation just disappears and they try to figure out how they can help their neighbor, how they can help their community. She documents this all around the world and yeah so in a way I think the political economic system, the whole operating system that we're in now artificially exacerbates more negative psychology traits and in a way dampens down our innate altruism and compassion for each other

29:27 Absolutely. I definitely agree this system tends to bring out the worst in us and it's great to look at indigenous cultures or compassion in times of disaster and see that it might not have to be that way but on the subject of new models you write in the book about your journey in putting this blueprint together, and then it's something you got started on during your time at Burning Man and Burning Man has a sort of societal structure I hear people discussing quite a lot as a mainstream alternative Can you tell us a bit about the way Burning Man operates and how viable it is to you as a potential new paradigm? Do you think it could scale up or become something more permanent maybe. Well, I mean earlier in this conversation I mentioned the Mysteries of Eleusis, Elucidating Mysteries which were this annual gathering of the kind of society's elite in ancient Greece. I feel in a weird way Burning Man is like this strange kind of American

30:23 rediscovery of the center for initiation and mystery. Burning Man has many different aspects and tendencies, over the last few years I've also been quite critical of it. It's fascinating to me that it was once began maybe 30 years ago by outsiders, counterculture artists, maybe some Alistair Crowley chaos magicians or something And now it's attracting the international jet set. You know, the guy who started Cirque du Soleil, the former head of MTV, you know all the Silicon Valley executives, inherited money, you know the Ibiza crowd, the Tulum crowd... It's become kind of a playground for a lot of the wealthiest and most entitled people on the planet who are coming there and exploring new modes of interaction

31:24 psychedelic substances and other drugs, but the tenor of it has suddenly shifted over the years in a way that I find sometimes kind of confusing. What initially fascinated me about Burning Man was that realization that human nature is very much social construction and is very permeable and changeable so if you give people directives that actually make their lives better. They'll adapt to those directives and new principles immediately without even thinking about it. You know, somebody who's been a very selfish corporate lawyer investment banker goes to Burning Man and suddenly for them to maximize their own fun they have to share hug everybody share their drugs you know share their RV share their supplies

32:22 and they do that immediately and unthinkingly. Within three days, they're wearing a pink tutu, they're cleaning up trash all around the camp. So for me it was like a really powerful sign that given a system that rewards different behaviors those are the behaviors people will adapt immediately in an unthinking way so I don't think we even have the slightest idea how easy is to change human nature in that sense. Does that make sense? Yeah yeah well said you also talk about fame a little bit in the book can be entrusted to the limelight after your last book or the last two books really and you talk about trying to influence the influencers which i think is are really worthy goal and it's amazing that you have that opportunity to do that you know moving in some of these hollywood circles talking to somebody silicon valley tech billionaires and just people who

33:17 gravitated to you since they've read your previous work. How has that process gone? Do you think you've done some good in influencing those influencers? I don't know, I mean... You know and I definitely feel that among these elite groups there are a number of like evolving conversations and there are a lot of people who are undergoing their own journey of self-exploration evolution Yeah, I can't say to what extent. I mean, I guess you know, I know for instance that I had a great influence on Russell Brands because he sought me out after he saw the documentary that I made after my 2012 book and I think he was looking for a way to put together kind of the spiritual development who's undergoing and left-wing political

34:18 impulse they had. I think that my work helped him integrate political left ideas, spirituality and ecology. He wrote a few chapters about me in his book Revolution and we had a series of discussions then he also started this thing called The Truths. He was doing these daily video broadcasts but in some ways I felt that you know ideas that i had and maybe other people also have and he was like this vast human megaphone because of his celebrity in rizmo. Who is suddenly able to get those ideas out to millions of people and actually it's quite amazing, see the impact that just him alone doing videos on his own in his bathroom in his home you know we're creating these rebels throughout english society

35:09 Yeah, I mean it's definitely important to spread those positive ideas to the people who can amplify the message. And you also write about... It just seems like you've also had some really fun experiences, some real bucket list type of things. One that I thought was pretty amazing is chartering a helicopter with Sting and his family over crop circles in England looking for extraterrestrials. That sounds pretty great! Yeah, well in the 2012 book one of the subjects that I focused on and actually took seriously was the crop circles. And then I found myself in like an interesting

35:46 I have no kind of institutional support behind me. And that I'm not beholden to any like, you know academic institution or whatever so after breaking open the head when I explored psychedelics which at that point in 2002 psychedelics were still totally suppressed and ridiculed in the mainstream culture really derided it you couldn't talk about them seriously in media circles that I was part of and realizing, discovering that they were incredibly important catalytic agents for self-discovery and so on. Then seeing the gap between what our society had to say about them and the reality made me then be willing to question almost everything that our society says is true or holds dear. And while I was sort of looking around for

36:42 maybe other correlates of the psychedelic experience in the physical world, I discovered that the Crop Circle phenomenon was happening and ended up spending a whole summer in England. In 2003, I think it was researching them in depth and going to all the new ones that appeared and so on. And yeah, probably wrote about 80 or 100 pages about them in 2012 book. You know, in the end, I do actually think I guess, I would say that I believe that the Krupsicles are... Some of them are communication from a non-human form of consciousness or galactic level of intelligence. That is giving us some interesting messages and ideas. Hell yeah man! Absolutely and that gets right into one of the weirder aspects and probably my favorite line in your new book is

37:32 I have been primarily focused on the material and tangible aspects of our plight, but I think we should consider also the occult or invisible forces that may be involved. Very provocative! And the influence of unseen forces is one of my favorite things to ponder outside a crop circles what are your thoughts on the extent of this otherworldly influence? In what sense? What do you mean? Well, a lot of people in the mainstream doubt it exists at all. And then you have some people, some authors like Peter Lavenda who think that it actually plays a huge role that there's probably spiritual forces that have little puppet strings attached to us creating synchronicities here and there and So there is this sliding scale between not believing it exists at all and thinking that has quite a bit influence over our 3D reality I wonder where you lie on that spectrum

38:22 Yeah, I mean well I guess in a way I'm sort of like the dentist. Eastern mysticism which kind of ultimately argues there's one consciousness underlying everything that we experience as separate phenomena constructing the illusion of the material world in order to explore its infinite creative capacities and abilities and so on And there also seems to be many different dimensions of space-time. According to some physicists, there's like 10 of them and the fourth dimension that we're in is where you can have physicalized materiality We don't really know how some type of separate entity might exist in a higher dimension but assuming it can then yeah I mean those higher dimensional entities

39:21 could definitely be playing with our time and space, rearranging it for all we know because they can pass through the past as well as the future. So what we're experiencing is this sort of plotting linear kind of thing where these ping pong balls are being buffeted through a wind tunnel from a higher dimension so that you can see the whole wind tunnel, you know? They can see the whole progression in what's happening. I think it's quite likely that there are powers. I really love the work of Rudolf Steiner, who's an anthroposophist and a visionary thinker who when he was young was able to see these other dimensions in what is called the Akashic Record. He tried to elaborate on spiritual cosmology with these different forces and powers. You could look at all these different attempts to figure out occult systems

40:17 They're just ways of articulation. It's not like they're necessarily what is truer or less true, I mean they are interfaces of language and thought that help us to make sense of what might be happening and Snyder is one of the people that I found very valuable for that. Yeah fair point You know i don't wanna make this about shallow things we're talking about stuff that's so epic the nature of our reality and the crisis that were in but you also talk about some of those. Wild experiences and having the popularity and lifestyle that you've experienced. I think a lot of people fantasize about Having that and having lived it Did you learn anything from the sudden thrust into limelight? That might be helpful for people listening was it different than you expected in any way are there any insights You could share from such a unique series of events I would say that, you know

41:15 a celebrity among certain groups, not like Sting obviously or Russell Brand or something. I definitely learned that and maybe also because my subject was so controversial and it's talking about prophecies, my own visionary experiences, I learned that one becomes the subject of a lot of projections and some of it can be very hurtful and hostile and difficult to kind of integrate, you know because you're seeing these like yeah different people's projections onto you and so on. You know I also i mean it's been very interesting to me that so much about this current election has revolved around sexuality and gender and I mean you know that's another area where had some experience how

42:13 Yes. And in a way, it's kind of ridiculous because you're exactly the same person that you were. But suddenly women react to you in a different way. A lot of new sexual currency! Yeah and some of the book is a kind of rumination on that and I feel in some ways I had my own immaturities and unmet desires or dissatisfactions that sort of came out

42:51 once I had opportunities that didn't have before. So it's interesting for me having had that experience, also getting some flack for it and then seeing what happened in this campaign with obviously Trump, Bill Clinton in the background and his escapades, Anthony Weiner and Roger Ailes who was the former head of Fox who just got taken down. It still a very intricate and delicate cultural area. I think it's something that has to also, we have to shed more light on that. In the book, as I said what I'm trying to do in the book is look at things systemically and our culture of love and sexuality is also part of this current operating system where its competitive system, women

43:52 Are forced into kind of operating with a lot of anxiety and fear because you're gonna have children that i need to have an anonymous more or less family unit for most of their adult lives are there any. Left this huge burden child care so on the book i look at some other models like. This community in portugal called samara which is basically a community that's seeking to No pretty more peaceful world basically believe that finding peace between the genders and loving sexuality is. Key to creating piece on earth and they actually developed a rigorous alternative social design allows for your non-possessive transparent relationships that are founded in trust

44:42 Mm hmm. Yeah, and maybe we can get into that a little bit deeper because you do talk about things in the book like evolving beyond the nuclear family model and I think that's a pretty radical proposition for a lot of people. I think they might consider that to be a bit out there but there are other ways of doing things other ways to raise children and form relationships have you seen any other models in effect when it comes to the tribes? You have spent a little time with I mean, I'm sure you've seen some stuff But have you noticed any differences in their relationships or child rearing and the effects on their greater society that we could contrast with how Westerners typically do things?

45:19 It's actually interesting. In the tribal groups that I visited, and first of all, I'm not an anthropologist so it's not like I spent months and months really investigating how they handle love and sexuality or whatever. Those were pretty short visits but you know what? I would say still in those cultures for whatever reason... Well, I can't even really say that. I don't have enough insight to be honest. The Kogi and the Arawak who I worked with There definitely were some very settled couples, the elders were in family units. If you read the book Sex at Dawn a very popular book on the subject they kind of review

45:58 different indigenous cultures around the world who do have radically different practices, some that guarantee sexual freedom to young girls and women in China. They argue that in nomadic tribal societies sexuality was mostly looser and multi-partner relationships were often common. So I think it was just looser, that I feel this like stricture of possessive monogamy developed because it was necessary to support a regime of property rights and somehow a whole repressive culture. Yeah oh I get that! For us marriage is as much a business partnership than anything. Economics seems to be the most popular reason for divorce and the most popular reason to stay together

46:51 But another thing that you talk about in the book is the ridicule you received post-2012, and I definitely believe that. When I made mention that I was having you on, I got several responses that were like, oh, the 2012 guy? And it is a little shitty to reduce someone down to just one thing but you no doubt rose in the counterculture because of that book. I'm curious how you feel about 2012 now, looking back do you see that it was a period change? Is it a window that's still open did Quetzalcoatl make a return? I mean I honestly completely stand by everything that I wrote in the book which I just feel people created

47:34 once again, a projection without actually having done the work of reading what I say or watching the film 24 Time for Change which came out in 2010. A few years after the book and basically we argued in that film was like these prophecies are pointing towards this being a time of incredible transformation if we look around and see that's happening on one hand we've created a planetary civilization where were totally connected another hand we're having this rapid evolution of technologies particularly communications and social tools. And then you also poison the planet that are causing a psychological meltdown, and then also the sort of realization that all these esoteric mystical traditions around the world are very congruent with each other actually

48:25 also, you know mesh well with discoveries in quantum physics to temporary discoveries in science. So for me those are all aspects of this emergence your new situation Right I never said that December 21st 2012 was going to be anything I couldn't rule out that You know something might happen or solar flares or something but it seemed more like The long calendar was pointing towards the completion of a cycle, the beginning of new time. A liminal space maybe we're walking between worlds which is where were in right now but it was very saddening for me to see not only mainstream media intentionally distorting what I had to say but then also people just being ready

49:15 Accept those distortions and dismiss the work without actually looking at it It's got to be frustrating to have you know your deep thoughts reduced to just a few sentences But that's why I mentioned it as a window because it was about was and is about more than just a particular day but You know being four years past that point Do you think it has been the type of transition? You expected have things unfolded as you might have thought or Does it seem like we're kind of going full steam ahead the direction we were going and obviously that's not good. Yeah, I mean you know individually among many people that I meet and then I know when they care about you know if you there is a lot of evolution development awakening. You know I suppose my hope or prayer would have been

50:08 there would have been a larger social process of reckoning with the destructive nature of our current society. And it does seem instead, as the Trump victory now even suggests that that is just full steam ahead and it leads me to wonder what the eventual end point will be? I mean maybe humanity has not meant to be on Earth much longer in physical form you know maybe we're going to undergo catastrophe that will push us all together on the astral plane and we'll have to work things out in a different dimension or something. I have no clue how things will unfold, but I do tend to think that success of Trump is somehow part of the prophecy and so kind of like overtly almost like it's a dream event you know? Like the Trump card being played. You know The Joker at the deck or something

51:10 So we're kind of down this real limitless liminal zone walking between the worlds and that might be a ten or fifteen twenty year process where we get one to the next i have had the feeling what is the belief put out as an idea. There's kind of a shift in the nature of the psyche happening where people who are sensitive and open to it are finding that reality is a little bit more psychically malleable than before, that things like synchronicities and telepathic events happen with more ease and with more frequency. Almost as if the whole field of the psyche is evolving or amping up.

51:51 And I do love how you equate this to a collective rite of passage. I mean, I think symbolically that makes a whole lot of sense but the thing that... You know? I would never deny climate change. I'm definitely not one of those guys like the one who just got elected but can we even parse out how much of it is from us and how much of it is part of a natural cycle because you'll hear people say, oh we haven't had this much CO2 in 150 million years. Well, we weren't driving cars then or you can say Oh, we haven't had this kind of methane since 250 million years ago well that kind of stuff makes me think it's part of a natural cycle I really am not educated enough to know but acknowledging that things are changing How do we parse out what we've been able to influence and what's kinda bigger than us?

52:41 Yeah, well I definitely feel that's you know there are a few levels there. On one level there are people sort of on the leftist or conspiratorial side who are dubious about the impacts we're having on the planet and having really looked into it and being open to conspiratorial ideas but having studied as much It feels pretty iron clad like the science feels pretty decisive. No parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere or quite to heat wrapping effects that

53:24 changes conditions. We're putting a million tons of CO2 into the atmosphere every hour through our industries and planes and cars, and that's having a big impact. The ocean acidification—the entire world's oceans' giant body of water are 30% more acidic than they were 40 years ago. And that's because they absorb a huge amount of this excess CO2 that we're creating. And that's leading to all sorts of breakdowns in the ocean life cycle, so these are now very measurable things and I find it quite strange that people who are on like this kind of conspiratorial progressive left have this sort of cryptic almost desire not believe anything in the mainstream story and dismiss this stuff in a way

54:15 Yes, at the same time I guess in a way one thing that i argue with the book is that we believe that we've separated from nature. We believe somehow were above or outside of nature but actually were not we are totally nature doing its thing just on another level and so you look around the whole solar system there seems to be different changes taking place like planets developing atmospheres I think Jupiter lost one of its spots and so on. One theory according to this Russian cosmophysicist Dmitryev is that the whole solar system is going through an energetic transition to a higher energy state

54:53 Maybe because we're passing through a band of cosmic energy or something. And it may be that this rapid industrialization, the super push towards hyper technologies is just how humans are transducing this larger frequency effect that's happening in the cosmos around us. Now having said that it's still the case that we're the ones who are emitting and transforming and destroying the Earth's natural ecology. And if we do want to have a tenure on this planet, we have to stop doing that. We have to figure out how we use our intellects and our technical capacities to create a different system or regenerative system that actually replenishes the biodiversity in the strength of Earth systems. So I don't think there is a contradiction there it just

55:45 It's like what I really looked into in the 2012 book is when I think about, if say there was a change of consciousness or the emergence of a new consciousness, the subtle aspect of it is kind of the ability to handle both sides of that paradox or contradiction without collapsing too diametrically into one or the other. Holding this space of paradox as part of that new consciousness and recognizing that you know as much as the ecological crisis is totally man-made thing, its also part of larger natural cosmic process I would see as one of those contradictions we can dissolve

56:22 Right on and I wouldn't argue with the data of change in the climate environment is ironclad But I am one of those people who's skeptical of the interpretation, but let's say for the sake of argument that it is all man-made What are you what do you skeptical? I'm skeptical of anything that's really this politicized, but i've had one guest Randall Carlson who is a pal of Graham Hancock and he's very blunt about the fact that the International Tribunal on Climate Change when it was put together they were given the mandate to say find some science that supports the idea that this is all man-made. And so they latched onto the CO2 argument and this is just the impressions from Randall Carlson who is a smarter guy than me but

57:07 I do think there's the possibility to twist science and do things like this carbon tax program. That is a kind of Western play, to keep the other nations from catching up with us quite as well because now that we've had the benefits of doing whatever you want in the environment, now we're going to cap some things to keep you in a lower place. Those are possibilities. I'm open-minded about most of it. I think that we have to be, once again if we're gonna get out of this disaster that were in. We actually have to learn how to think clearly or more clearly than we've been able to think up till now and for me there was a little bit of a conflation there like you know there's climate science on the one hand and then there is carbon taxation which is a political method or political economic technique to try to deal with what we've unleashed

57:59 No way but my understanding of the carbon taxation and i'm not an expert on it is that we would be. No by taxing carmen what also really have a impact you would make companies more careful their use of it will to, hey just store in order to create carbon sinks so long if it worked properly it would have a benefit for the developing world however you know its critique because essentially within this political economic system everything ultimately comes about growth and profit so if you create a market for co2 in a way that could have a perverse impact where actually values co2 pollution rather than

58:40 Helping to reduce it almost just allows its actually as people by these is your previous reverse subsidies and so on. Those are great points in i support doing things cleaner and more sustainable period honestly like i would rather move to solar and wind And zero point energy and whatever else might be out there regardless of if we're really having the impact or not, because you can see a smog cloud over L.A., and you don't want that, so I definitely support doing things cleaner regardless but earlier you had mentioned that we should get past the the blame, but isn't it important to call out the exact companies that have caused some of these problems if it is man-made? Monsanto, Dow Chemicals, Standard Oil BP. I mean shouldn't we call them out specifically rather than being vague about it?" Yes you can call them out specifically but I don't really see what... Don't we have to dismantle Monsanto to actually solve the food problem

59:43 Yeah, I think we're going to have to figure out how we engineer a redesign of what's currently the corporate system. Once again, I give you this model like operating systems or something and another one of the main ideas in the new book is We could look at ourselves, humanity and the human species as being on the cusp of realizing or discovering that we're actually a gigantic planetary superorganism. You know? We are actually in a symbiotic relationship with the Earth's ecology as a whole system and should be acting as symbiotic expressions you know of your psychology rather than it is just

1:00:38 individual, over-individuated consumers. If we think about things in those terms and we think about humanity as a whole and its relationship to the Earth is a planetary superorganism then you know what are the organs of that superorganism? In this strange way I think that corporations are actually like the organs of the super organism You know you can body that we have the blood system you know where is the brain with perceptual mechanisms. Similarly i feel multinational corporations are gonna be nice and organs in the collective body of humanity so energy company is very much like the blood right it's taking fuel bring across the world

1:01:26 where it needs to go a media company is like the perceptual mechanism that you know part of the brain that takes in the sense data and then converts into narratives memes that then, you know allow us to react do things relationship to information so i don't have sanitation company waste company would be like bikini or delivery breaking down our waste products One of the books that I talk about a lot in the new book, one of my references is a book called Spontaneous Evolution. That was by cell biologist and epigeneticist Bruce Lipton and political philosopher Stephen Berman. Yeah they basically argue that if we step back and look at history evolution on planet what we actually see is constant movement towards more complex levels of cooperation

1:02:17 And that our own bodies are a good example of this. Our bodies were once these microorganisms, one-celled organisms that were competing with resources consuming each other in vast quantities and in a crisis they began to learn to work together to create more complex organs like skin and bones and eyes and so on. In a way we can see humanity is kind of like When we make a satellite dish, it's like basically we're coming together to build like a new kind of eye or something. To observe the other worlds or observe our world or whatever. So maybe we're on the cusp of this crisis that's going to force what are now called corporations to become more cooperative transparent infrastructure of the collective body

1:03:03 That would be the logical implication from my perspective. What is the process by which we get there and how much, you know, amazeration and chaos and destruction is required before we get there? It's really for me a question of how fast people can sign on to a new approach or a new idea and figure out how it tangibly manifests them You do make great points and just to tie this back to the idea of initiatory experience missing from our society One roadblock is people do fear the unknown like I know so many people who might be in a soulless job working at nine-To-five they don't care about and you bring up some of these ideas like

1:03:45 you know, a Venus Project society or something similar. Something maybe more advanced but these radical different ideas even though these people are living paycheck to paycheck largely screwed and unhappy the idea that there's a chance it could be worse like they fear that and I think that does go back to the lack of initiatory experience because that kind of promotes adventurism promotes confronting the unknown and some people are paralyzed do you think that plays a role? Yeah absolutely And that's, once again maybe why on some subconscious level rather than dealing with the ecological situation we've let it get to this critical point so that ultimately everybody is going to be forced out of their comfort zones.

1:04:31 Awesome. Well, Daniel it's been great talking to you your optimism is starting to rub off on me so that's a good thing because I'm a jaded broken man. So before we really wrap this up tell people where they can get more pinchback if they want to follow-up on your work after hearing this in the new book I've got Twitter, Instagram and Facebook. But I have a website for the book howsitisnow.info and my own website pinchback.io so they can go and register for email newsletters or getting to float ideas that were inspired by the book and so on. The book itself will be out in February.

1:05:15 Right on. Well, thanks again for talking to me I did love the book and we are entering a radical new change today but keep fighting the good fight man Yeah good talking to you Peace Have a great day You too Sweet Jesus people Daniel Pinchbeck in the house! I gotta say...I do have mixed feelings about this one I feel a little guilty or bad for being so combative Everyone has their own opinions and I should be able to have mine But I felt like I drew more out of his book that I took issue with and focused on that Rather than what? I liked about it And that's kind of shitty a lot of times. I give people a pass on our disagreements, and I focus on where we're aligned These people spend a lot of time in effort writing books I'm not that disciplined and then they're kind enough to come on my show when a guy like Daniel can get on all kinds of shows

1:06:09 He gives me two hours of his time and I don't know, there's a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth. In my defense there though Daniels people sought me out and asked if he could come on the show and i agreed so it's not like I sought him out to start a fight but there is a dance to this semi-press circuit if you could call it that these aren't supposed to be commercials but to the guests they kind of are. And I was in such a weird headspace too with the election results being so fresh, and again i don't want anyone to interpret my comments as excitement over Trump winning it's more excitement over the unexpected result more excitement over Hillary losing you know?

1:06:58 Not only losing, but her whole network's biggest secrets were leaked by somebody. Someone in the shadows sort of played their Trump card no pun intended That to me is exciting The media has got everybody focused on how Trump emboldens racists But six months ago many of us would have said the most pressing issue was stopping the Trans-Pacific Partnership and it stopped I mean, holy shit right? Can we focus on that instead of a small percentage of racists who have projected their ideas onto this guy. Plus he's already reeling back on so much shit He's not going after Clinton and that was like his big thing lock her up lock her up special prosecutor and all that. He's walked back his complete repeal of Obamacare Instead he's talking about tweaking it which i actually think is fine

1:07:46 The cost of medical coverage in this country is insane. Of course you don't want the government limiting your options to just the companies that they deal with and all that stuff, but some's gotta be done! My point is there's a lot of hyperbole on the campaign trail and this is what always happens it comes back to the center so don't be fooled all this paranoia over this little issue or that one just relax until something actually happens Don't get yourself all worked up Although his cabinet picks are supremely shitty. But hey, it's a false choice between two shitty candidates I'm trying to find silver lining and i hear a lot of well that's easy for this cis white male to say relax What about muslim americans who are scared their family overseas isn't going to be able to visit or the mexican family who is afraid deportation Is gonna split them up

1:08:37 Well, first of all if you're a Muslim American with family in the Middle East Hillary Clinton as president is the last thing you want. She's the middle east meddler she's the war hawk yeah she'll smile and be polite while she drone strikes the shit out of your homeland Trump may be rude and insensitive but he talks like an isolationist He talks like a nationalist who wants to focus on America Be left the fuck alone And leave other people the fuck alone too Maybe we're gonna claw back the American Empire. Isn't that what a lot of us have been talking about and wanting for so long? Less war, less intervention I mean that's kind of what we got or Or what we voted for who knows what we're gonna get We know a lot of those choices are off the table But that's what i would say to a muslim family though You don't want Clinton

1:09:28 And this election was, to me a bit of a war between actions and feelings. If you focused on actions they're both dicks but Clinton is more dangerous and her crimes are more in the government realm rather than the business world and these sectors have to be treated differently so I think it makes Clinton's crimes and corruption much worse than some shady businessman who's not supposed to have your best interest at heart But if you focus on who's more polite, which I think is a bad way to look at it then of course you're breaking down over Clinton loss. But again don't be fooled and as for the Mexican thing i've said before I know It sounds a little one world governmenty but I think we should all have open borders At least for travel logistically. It seems like a nightmare but it is just so arbitrary and stupid All these artificial lines and red tape just to travel around

1:10:21 this planet. I mean, this planet is humanity's right? Shouldn't we be able to explore it freely to some degree?" So that is kind of my angle on that but hey...I live like 20 minutes from the border! I don't see a problem And if I was born on the south side of that imaginary line where i had no infrastructure, no resources you bet your ass. I would try to get across and get some shit job that pays $10-$20 an hour under the table washing dishes working in some kitchen and support my family and myself because that would be the best option So I don't blame anyone who does that

1:10:59 But if you come into a country illegally, I mean that's a risk and there would be consequences if you get caught. As an example, I speed all the time And if I get caught? I just say, well that sucks! I knew the risk There is a consequence This how this game is played It sucks. I think we should take any money and energy we put into securing our border, and probably help Mexico make their society government more fair? Give them a little better infrastructure so that people don't need to come here! They don't want to come here it's all driven by economics

1:11:35 And then you got people saying they want to move to Canada because of such a racist policy. But good luck, because Canada has the type of immigration laws that you're running from in those cases and when you look at the world happiness index it's those countries like Iceland Sweden Norway that have the best quality of life and they also have really strict immigration because their system has to be self-contained I get all that Maybe I'm sounding very conventional, but there's just a lot of irrational talk going around right now that the media is just leading people around by the nose. But in a nutshell, I wish we all had small local governments everywhere but free travel and you can't really have everyone flocking to nice areas or the system with the best benefits, but I still want to be able to go to China as easy as I can go to Florida

1:12:28 It's not so much about ruling everybody under one government umbrella, it's just more about being a little less paranoid and a little more friendly. And maybe I don't know what i'm talking about but no corporations that's another one what a stance huh? Can anybody find a flaw with that if every company had to have an owner who was accountable for their company and their actions wouldn't that solve a lot of problems would it create problems that i'm not seeing probably...I don't know But that was another issue I had with Daniels, that he says we need to make these changes to save the planet and doesn't see how blame is useful. Well... We have to be honest about how we got here and who did it And who's gonna have to held accountable or at least not allowed to continue fucking things up right?

1:13:14 Here's a decent example, the California drought. Regular people are being told not to water their gardens actually being fined over their water usage Meanwhile no restrictions whatsoever on big agro on these huge corporate farms all over the state Reports were showing that They were using like 75% of the state water. Well, what people use is a fraction of that but we're getting the blame and we're getting the fines and then Nestle's trying to privatize water turns out they were stealing water when their permit expired like a decade ago so if we put the blame where it belongs and the fines and restrictions where they belong We could do much more to fix the problems in my opinion You can change your light bulbs out all day take shorter showers all day

1:13:59 It's a symbolic gesture compared to the real damage that is being done by these giant mega international corps. I do appreciate Daniel's dedication to making a plan, a blueprint for a better world. He is a positive guy but that assumes the problem is that we don't have a plan and I think the problem is we're not allowed to act on plans and ideas and technologies that have been there for decades so I feel like there's a little subtle misdirection there probably unintentional but I was a bit of a stickler on those points because I think they're important if we're being serious about real change. We want the same things, me and Daniel, we just slightly disagree on how to get there and what is most important along the way." That's alright but the system will always blame the people when it's usually big corporations captained by the nefarious elite that have the resources to do that real damage

1:14:57 just like they try to say it's all the people on welfare sinking the economy when really, it's the goddamn fractional reserve system. The debt-based system of rule that has us all chasing green paper and uses poverty as a weapon but its always about blaming the people instead looking at the real mechanisms that are kicking us in the collective dick Are you and I cutting down the rainforest? Are we dumping millions gallons oil into Gulf of Mexico But hey, I'm young and angry and cynical and probably naive. And maybe Daniel is just a little more evolved, zen, forward-thinking than me—who's to say? But ultimately, I did enjoy his book. Even reading things we might disagree with is a great thing! And I do love his input in the realm of psychedelics and the lack of Western initiation—I am on that page for sure. So check it out if you're interested or hit Daniel up and tell him you liked the show and he

1:15:55 Made great points. I gotta say, Russell Brand wrote his intro, Sting wrote his foreword so he knows some wheelers and dealers who have a lot more respect for his opinions than they do mine Of course in the plus show we got deeper into this stuff If you liked the first free hour sign up for the second if you agree with my contentions here Also TheHigherSideClothing.com New amazing shirts with artwork based on episodes of this show. I'm willing to bet we have the best, most fashionable Hollow Earth shirt on the goddamn planet and maybe the only JP Morgan Sink The Titanic To Institute The Federal Reserve shirt and an amazing Archon design...and nine other ones! There's a goddam dozen of them at thehighersidechatsclothing.com Check it out

1:16:45 So that's it. I'm gonna stop rambling, i'm probably showing my ignorance and you really can't solve the world's problems in a simple five minute wrap-up to a podcast and my opinion only matters so much on this show typically usually it's about absorbing the perspectives of different people and I hope some of us did that today thanks to Daniel for being here I think I could also hear his voice but I am not sure he felt that great, so maybe that was part of the thing too. Either way enough of my qualifying Jesus I hope you were entertained and enlightened and i will see ya next time! I've done my part Your move humanity your fuckin'

1:17:30 Lucid dreams are so vivid, cause you go to bed at seven And your brain comes alive because you hate your nine-to-five You wake up with a dread and make sure your cats are fed Did your brain talk to a ghost who moved your coffee and toast As you listen to the higher side chats You get to your desk and your boss says it's a mess And your soul slowly goes To a place where nothing grows When you think he's not around, you insert a SETI sound The OM says turn it down and you say It's just the higher side chats Oh do you think you'd be invited? To Bohemia Grove. To a Bilderberg club Do you think you'd be invited

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