Crrow & James Alfred | Dissecting Hadibov, The Role Of UFOs, & The Full Spectrum Control Grid

00:00 You have one new message. Hello, this is Andrew calling from Berkeley California to say thank you for the money bomb this month I'm gonna be taking a road trip down to LA and then San Diego actually And i'm gonna use the money to get my car ready and pay for gas and all that stuff so That's really really helping me out And yeah, I've been loving your show recently. Pretty new listener but I have appreciated all the shows recently and looking forward to getting into the archives and just appreciate that you've been exploring the fringes of flat earth and holographic moon and CERN and all that stuff that is helping me keep questioning my reality So thanks again Keep up the great work! And uh...I'll keep listening

00:52 In the 1930s, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt addressed a nation through a series of radio broadcast known as the Fireside Chats. His aim was to reassure the common man that our society would recover from its troubled times but we're far from 1930 and I deal with a different kind of fire For a new era of worldly frustration We offer a fresh conversation! I'm Greg Carlwood And these are The Hireside Chats Happy days are here again, Hireside Chatters. Drinking a little drink, smoking a little smoke from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carlwood just trying to keep my head above water in this sea of madness we call modern-day reality and it ain't easy but by now every THC fan here should be familiar with Qrow his lunar wave footage and the Hadibov research We've been talking about for awhile is the moon a control system? Did spider beings bring an invading convoy of planets into our system in 18000 BC or

01:47 Are the brains of humanity played like harp strings based on their genotypes? These are the kind of questions one is left with when examining the Hatibov material, and as researchers deal with the translation of this now-deceased Russian scientist's work we continue to get a better understanding of his theories, his ideas and the information he was trying to put out there. Not only is Crowe at the forefront of this work but recently a blogger by the name of James Alford has also taken a major interest in the Hatibov trove and has written some great posts detailing interpretations of the data and clarifying a lot of the confusing material, and I'll be damned if he isn't on line with us too. So let's get the ball or whatever it is we're on rolling! Of course you all know guest one Crowe say hello to people for me. Howdy thanks for having me back bud Anytime And then of course a big warm and not-too weird welcome for the man behind the blog Sage Sigma Unbound James my man welcome to THC

02:39 Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate the time and interest in the work that i put together Yeah man! Obviously this is dense stuff and you're also working with the translation so The way you've been able to break this down Is as good as anybody has seen. Crowe and you are Really giving more details of this work than I think anybody probably is or has and you've got three posts now breaking down Aspects of Hattie Bob's work. They're super detailed and they do clarify the concept So I have to give you props for that again But I've also seen a lot of earlier conspiracy occult And UFO related writings from you that are on that blog and also are really well done and interesting and since I only know You from your blog tell us a little bit

03:27 bit about how you got interested in fringe research like this and what your early indications were that the world probably is weirder than we're made to believe. All right, yeah I guess to begin with Just as a kid, kind of grew up. My father was into things like the Bermuda Triangle UFOs Bigfoot all that good stuff I want to say watch a lot of that in search of that used to be on One of the networks back in that time period so throughout high school middle school DX files kinda got big So I kind of kept going with researchers and books on Irina Roswell, whatever the main theme was at the time. Continued to kind of dabble with it then went to university here in town kind of got away from it and really just more or less rediscovered a few years ago kinda go back into listening to couple podcasts that I found online and then just kinda dug into it. It was amazing to see what I thought about the occult UFO's on the fringe

04:26 10 years ago and where it's gone to now, just mind-boggling. So I kind of started this blog to basically allow me to put the pieces together, present it, summarize it into a fashion that makes sense to me so that I can make some sense out all this stuff Nice nice and you do a great job there so with all the weirdness that is out there obviously There's a ton But what was it about the haddy Bob material that? Compelled you to dedicate as much time to it as you have as opposed to other things I think it was one of the interviews even crow gave. I recall it was uh, oh maybe a spring kind of day and I was walking around downtown with the earbuds in. And then Crow had mentioned the Hattie Bowes stuff, and I was just blown away. This idea of this spider race and these octaves more or less generating frequencies that dictate life on Earth solar system... It caught me off guard and I became fascinated with it so then i think at one point in time crow put a link

05:25 I think on one of his posts on your website that has a link to some translations and then i just started to dig into it. I kind of wanted to solve the puzzle again you know, I don't know if this is legitimate science research but it's absolutely fascinating and the amount of detail that are in those translated works... It's amazing! Right on now I know you guys have had some conversations between the two of you Crow what are your thoughts on James writing and the breakdown of some of this stuff? Well, I think it's safe to say at this point that James is probably the preeminent Hattie Bow guy that speaks English. Hopefully when we do a show like this maybe someone in Russia will hear this and be able to lead us to more information. I mean, I think James summed it up well you're always wondering are we looking at sci-fi here or not? How I got

06:16 pulled in, of course was his parallels with the lunar wave. But what we see in James' work is kind of the analytical mind dealing with very tough translations and then systematizing it so that an English speaker can easily go through and make heads or tails of it. So I mean when I saw The Sage Sigmund blog I was stunned because I know how much work that took! Yeah, man me too. I know we both shared the blog early on We're like hey look at this guy But although you are digging through a ton of material as far as like he brought up a Russian-speaking person Maybe coming and adding to the puzzle We're looking at a lot of information that you can look at through Google Translator It's online and like these big data dumps but it's not all of his material right? I mean as far as we know there's actually a good percentage that isn't online

07:09 You're absolutely right. One of the links here that Crow put on, I mean there's multiple times where they'll be a reference to another component or another paragraph or another subset of his information and unfortunately it's not online. I found a Russian website that i had forwarded to Crow last night and I think there's mention that there's allegedly over 16 000 pages of material that was published by Hattie Bov and where is it, what are the links? I don't know. So we're really only seeing part of the literature. Yeah that makes it even more interesting and so let's talk a bit about the actual breakdown for those who need to be refreshed who are listening or maybe hearing about this for the first time. I'll read these eight points from your blog James then we can get into more because this really does kind of sum up what Hattie Bob is saying throughout all these many many pages

08:02 There existed a time in humanity's history where the current moon did not exist. In 18,337 BC, a convoy of planets infected our solar system or created our solar system The convoy of planets contained a race of alien beings from the Sir Four Star of the Big Dipper Earth, having resources and being hospitable was not able to defend itself from the alien race. The alien race is spider-like in nature The spider race was called Atlanta and essentially placed their brains into human bodies the Sun and Moon then are used to create cycles or frequencies of the super system system and subsystems that dedicate life on this planet

08:41 UFO knots are terrestrial in nature and guardians of these systems that control. Different genotypes of humanity exist, and a specific genotype still carries with it the spider brain." I mean even though we're talking about a lot of dense material, I think those eight points are pretty much the cliff notes wouldn't you say guys? Yeah if i was listening to them at all...I almost felt like I was listening to an L Ron Hubbard index book here I mean, it kind of gets like that. But yeah, that's exactly what we're talking about in James' work. That's no nonsense to translate that aloud and break it down to that kind of specificity. There is and it is not easy to do. Going through the translations and getting into English but when you look at all those things he just described for a basis

09:30 Some of the early Hattie Bob docs have to offer us, I mean that is a perfect kind of indices of that work. Nice So James you mentioned in your first post that we're not sure if Hattie Bob was a serious scientist A sci-fi writer or if this is some type of disinfo campaign all valid concerns But I'm curious if your opinion on its credibility has changed at all as you've gotten deeper Um, you know that's really still up in the air for me. I mean...I think at the end of the day there is definitely some truth to this but being a reader of different sci-fi books over the years and whatnot, I wonder where reality is blending into allegorical

10:10 characterizations of different things, you know. To these things are they something else and he's just using this I say the solar system the earth these complexes of control are they metaphors for something else? You know I think it's gonna take a little bit more time for me personally to continue to kind of digest material and get to a point right where I kinda think that things can add up to a specific outcome Right on. Crowe, what would you say about credibility? I mean you've dug into this a lot too obviously it's credible enough to keep digging at it It's interesting enough to keep looking at it but as it gets weirder...I mean You gotta ask what is this guy up to

10:49 You know, I think James...I can't say it any better than he did but i would point out there are certain aspects of the work like when I had come to know three definite things that I was pretty sure were right about the lunar wave and there they were echoed by Hattie Bob's work and taken further. Other very interesting things that correlate outside of Hattie Ball's work for me, the things like tonality and octaves and even the transfer of this kind of melding into the periodic table of elements. I think these are all very exciting things but what James said is

11:26 spot on and I always wonder, was this material sanitized? In my work, I constantly say that the world we live in has been misdescribed. And when we look at Hattie Bob's work, we don't get a lot of reference to that and so you wonder are there certain things that just don't get put on paper? Was it put on paper? Did it get scrubbed out? So I mean but the short answer is James summed it perfectly Right, and when we can't get a good answer we have to look at things around the research that kind of give indications. And I actually think it's worth pointing out if i remember correctly there was some connection to Israel in this research? When he died was it confiscated? I think Crow... I wasn't able—I actually wasn't able to find a lot on that yet again I'm probably only a quarter of the way through most of this stuff but I think Crow is able to find us an mention of that in some of the works

12:20 I did. And so what i found, and in the kind of litany of a library that I sent you James, I believe at some point your going to find a third party biography where there are presumably Russian people really trying to tout what Hattie Bobb did and they're saying things like he solved computer clock speeds that we still haven't solved here they're saying things like he would be richard and gates if he was american chernobyl prizes in all the things but um... in a in the text i was just referring to it is claimed and not enough hand way in a very straightforward way it has claimed that uh... the research was forced from his hands over to israel with an oil company involved and the funny thing is as well james pratt haven't gotten there yet i'd believe he had information about uh... howdy bob's connection

13:11 with oil companies and actually in some of the Hattie Bob research it sounds like he is lamenting his involvement with certain things that he did. And I have a feeling that may tie into some of the oil company work, I don't know James can you add anything about the oil companies? Yeah there's a specific mention that uh... i want to say in the mid eighties he was on a council, he was chairman of some council that basically engineered The design of difficult, and difficult is in quotation marks, wells and drilling technologies And at some point in time, there appeared to be... Again this is from some biographies that I found online. A bit of a dispute between him and the oil company in that he wasn't being paid for the work that he was completing so he more or less went on strike but continued to use the oil companies computers and calculation machines and so forth and generated these what he called basically

14:05 A special system. He basically at this point in time cracked some special system and I don't know if that's a program that's basically the biological program that's over life or if that's something in regards to oil fields, or whatnot He did have an interesting thing and I just thought of this. One of the control complexes is Mount Kailash in Tibet, China...I think I'm pronouncing that correctly. Kailash. Thank you! And at one point in time he says if you attempt to drill in this area you get slapped so I don't know if he had one point a time was engaged in engineering some sort of drilling equipment around that part of the world but his basically just says you can't drill there

14:46 And I thought that was kind of an interesting correlation to oil drilling and so forth. That's totally interesting, and it actually has a parallel with Richard Shaver. A lot of people think his material about the hollow earth is way far out there but he says he got it because he was drilling deep down and eventually started hearing conversations with beings that weren't human So I mean there's that parallel also it kind of parallels Tesla story to I mean when he was working with electric companies doing research and you know stumbling upon new information and he probably

15:23 Regret his involvement with big electric companies and then when he died alphabet agencies came in stolen materials for us we know so we're dealing with a guy who we know at least that you was employed at high level and i highly skilled area and scientific area. And, That's important information. Then we know that his data was taken when he died by someone that seems like they're, I mean a group an Israeli group or university? Those are the kind of people that seem fairly high up the pyramid that are trying to corral any fringe data that might be out there so those little anecdotal stories...I think they do build a case that this guy probably had some parallels to both Shaver and Tesla maybe

16:05 you know it there there is some references and this is funny because i had five russian speakers actually may have been a couple more but five main russian speakers who help me translate and i had kicked you know most these documents over to james everything i could find but one of them they complained that they were worried that his material was disappearing because they had seen something we couldn't find again similar thing happened in the because There was some reference, which I just kind of alluded to where it sounded like Hadibab was saying that he regretted some of the work that he had been involved with. And it seemed like it was with weapons systems and other kinds of military applications but that led one of the translators to start grabbing

16:49 all these had a bob documents pdf in them and trying to save them down because there was a real concern that now you know he was being mentioned on youtube the things were disappearing but it was more than a concern because what i just said do you i could not find the reference document or webpage again they gave me that information and this individual had also stated a similar concern where they were reading something and now if they couldn't find it didn't seem to be posted anymore Yeah, it's very true. And even some of the links that Crowhead forwarded to me don't necessarily open up and these are embedded in documents that Crow had received at some point in time, so I don't know if it's just a server is down or what but some of these links don't work any longer. Damn yeah that wouldn't be the first time we've seen that either Some information gets up and then they plug the hole as people start talking about it but let's actually talk about the material James let me have you break down these three systems because you've done a lot to clarify the details of what he's saying

17:52 When we talk about the systems, I guess we're talking about everything that's in our solar system or this network of apparatuses that control life on the planet Earth? Walk us through some of the details and bullet points of this post. Maybe we should start with the super system, I guess what are the details there? This is interesting... The super system and i had found this just recently through some other things up the supersystem from what I gather again this is just me speculating based on material it was initially put on this planet in this solar system excluding things such as a sun and moon by by a stewardship program from the Orion Cluster Group. I know this sounds out there, but in course with the rest of this material it kind of fits the thing so it's the idea that this steward program from the Orion Cluster Group of civilizations more or less imported humans to this planet So there is already an existing system of control on this planet at some point of this process There supposed to be a transition from

18:49 the Orion cluster group to the Sirius cluster group of civilizations. And I think what the literature is saying is at that point in time of transition there was more or less like a weakness and our existing super system so you have to kind of picture here's the modern solar system again minus some moons, our moon, the Sun and it's kind of weak. At that point there is mention that the spider race, and I actually was able to find a new name for this it was called the Cluster Ebrovskoi System. And I don't know if I'm butchering that or what but its e-b-r-o-v-s-k-o-y in case anybody wants to try to Google that And at this point in time, because of this weakening they basically came in took over our planet brought with them the Sun which is again a planet which has referenced some of Crow's works and some of the things on YouTube. Three moons and nearly 4,000 attack objects So at this point in time you can kind of picture...and again This is happening around starting that like 26,000 BC and the completion of this transition

19:49 where this new cluster and this new management system basically comes in, happens around 18000 BC. So at that point in time you've got this new race that's basically wiped out all life on Mars and on Earth again I know I'm jumping around here but I'm trying to kind of put a larger scope on this sure um and at that point wipes out Earth more or less destroys the existing subsystems on this planet some of the control structures and so forth Ibro-Vosky management system, so they're big and then at that point in time. They're starting to reboot life on earth There's these genomes getting introduced and so forth So that's kind of the precursor to all of this So from what I can gather the existing system now is the super system And that would include the Sun The moon and a couple of other satellites other moons in our solar system they are primarily designed to control cycle time and

20:46 and they more or less accommodate the transfer of different programs for implementation on planet Earth. And they also are more or less guardians, when you get into the UFO literature of Hattie Bow, there's mention that this super system is basically here to protect us. So say there's a friendly alien race or whatever wants to come in and save us, they can't this solar system is and the super system is designed to keep things out things from intervening with humanity at this point of time so the super system is kind of a multiple function thing but at a very high level it's basically controlling time its accommodating transfer programs and it's acting as a security system on planet Earth

21:25 Yeah, man. It's obviously super intense stuff Me and Crow have talked about it a little bit on the air before but that supersystem I guess yeah incorporates so much there and then the There's an aspect he talks about The System which is the atmosphere and the planet Earth itself right? Exactly yep And in that you've basically got four different levels Briefly like type one level the literature spells out that it's the habitat of all biological structures. It's kind of interesting here You've got a type 1 which he refers to as a bear Abashek type humanoid These are ghosts goblins you could potentially put that on all sorts of different weird cryptids and so forth And then the type 2 humanoid is anything from small insects to human beings, so that's the type one So it's basically from ground level to 12400 meters

22:16 in the atmosphere. Then there's a type 2 level which is essentially the battery of the Earth, here is where the tritium which I touched on again and the UFO literature resides. So it's more or less the battery and then type 3 would be the brain of the earth Here are some of these control complexes are embedded again Some of these were already here before this new control system came on board and more or less to control this earth, And that's basically utilizing different pyramids and so forth below the surface of the Earth and then you've got type 4. And here you've got more complexes, more controls and it's also at this point that the UFOs reside so that's the system sort of in a high-level nutshell just kind of think of it as four different hierarchies of different materializations of different forms and functions

23:08 Right on, yeah that's a great breakdown. And when it comes to these type 1 entities the Barabashiks or whatever these things that could be considered the paranormal elements of life ghosts goblins and other types of entities you've seen something like this in your past right? I guess you refer to in the blog as a ghoul Yeah, yeah that's funny you read that one. That's really my only paranormal experience. Real briefly it was just a night in the downtown area where I was going to school and I happened to be the designated driver that evening and was waiting for friends to come out near bar time so no alcohol, no drug use here at this point of time just to clarify that. And two individuals were walking to my left so I saw a man and a woman

23:58 It sounds bizarre, but they almost looked like their flesh was decaying. They were decrepit looking... it's very hard to explain but I was talking to somebody and I was keeping an eye on the door as to where my friends were gonna come in. And I kind of watched them coming from my left so I made eye contact with them and they immediately caught eye tact with me So I thought, well i'm just going to pretend that I don't see them. See if anybody else notices in the crowd they more or less just walk through the crowd nobody really seemed to notice it or make note of these two individuals and as they went from my left to right and they walked down the street they continued to kind of stare at me so much to the point where they were turning their heads over their shoulders and more or less keeping an eye on me and I was trying

24:39 keep tabs of them in my peripheral line of vision. So I don't know what that is, I asked people that i was talking to that night if they noticed anything out of the sorts and nobody saw it so...I honestly don't know what that was all about that night. Wow man! That's interesting. I love to hear people's personal experiences because you gather enough of them and start to formulate an idea of what these sightings could be. Crowe have you ever seen anything strange like that? No, not personally. But you know I've read so much literature even in like religious literature where people see like a homeless person on the street and they're just not who you think they are kind of teaching lesson to always be kind because you never know who you're speaking to but what's funny is every time I hear that kind of thing described it reminds me of that part of The Matrix

25:28 The lady's telling Neo, you know that's where ghosts were wolves and vampires and he says I've never seen those. And she says sure you have every time that goes on it someone doing something they're not supposed to be doing in the kind of program of the Matrix so there are even memes in movies about this kinda thing. Yeah, I love that part too, the Merovingian soul gang We talked about the super system and the standard system being the Earth in its atmosphere. And then, um... The subsystem is also involved and this is a little bit harder to conceptualize it's a little trickier right?

26:05 I had a difficult time putting this through. I'm not as technical as others and definitely don't have a background in organic chemistry or anything of the sort, but what I can gather—and Crohet touched on this earlier—there's the idea that there are musical notes attached to these octaves and there are notes that are attached to the periodic table of elements. So I remember from physics, you know it's kind of the standard format. You have atoms go into matter, you excite atoms and then you go to the various different forms from liquid to gas to plasma here is where Hattie Bow basically says it's not the case. You basically have strictly organized plasma that's

26:44 the building blocks of the universe. And you can put charges to this or do something, you can manipulate it with your frequencies and make different things materialize and do different things." That was my take on it. I'd be curious to hear if anybody else has maybe got a better sense of it but I struggled with it that was the best I could make of it kind of given by knowledge set Let me jump in. This is one of the parts where you kind of really sense some value here, where we're talking about tonality, octaves – we would equate that with music I guess for the common individual transferring over to the building blocks of reality and the periodic table

27:26 For so long I have said that we live in a closed system and nobody is going above low Earth orbit. And that always brings up the question, well as with the Truman Show are we living in a snow globe? In the Hattie Bob writings it's simply about octaves you're tuned to hear There's no need for a prison of any kind because if you try to leave where you're tuned from, that doesn't work. You cease to exist which would be true of anything somewhere else like at the moon if there was something at the moon like a machine of any kind tuned to that system The whole octaves into the periodic table thing, as far as I could understand it almost seemed like you know...I'll let you address this James because we're going to have to address the old Chinese saying that i'm still trying to find written somewhere. That you will never see a spider come out of a UFO but in my mind that reference they are making and I still cannot find an ancient Chinese reference or saying but I will still look what they're saying is whatever's

28:27 in this thing that you're looking at, a simple octave tune changes it to whatever they want it to be. And I think that's all very fascinating but can you address the whole spider from the UFO thing? Have you found the ancient reference at all?" I have not. The only thing I've ultimately discovered is Hattie Bow in one of his ufology posts just says if you come upon a UFO that's crashed or has landed You will never see the spider directly. It's just not gonna happen it could be a spider that is the pilot but it's got more or less what we, Crow and I talked about this like a shirt there's like some sort of External layer that you and I can see but we can't ultimately see what's behind that shirt hmm? It's very cryptic information

29:17 But I haven't seen anything specifically on that Chinese proverb. Yeah, and there's a further claim in kind of the UFO stuff that he writes about which i think is critical because it's kind of where I'm at where he claims all UFOs are terrestrial Exactly And yeah that further underscores a kind of closed system but as for the shirt reference...I struggled with it for a long time and when I finally decided on was it's almost like something that could change. It was called a shirt, I don't know if it is supposed to look like a shirt but the translation in the word was correct and learned this from Russian speakers. It's almost like all of the data, all this information that makes a thing what it is was stored in what they were calling a shirt and like he said there was ever some automatic vehicle or something

30:08 working with the system of control down here and it crashed, that shirt just flies away home and takes the data with it. Almost like a data transfer. That's what the whole shirt thing seemed like. It was very sci-fi. The whole thing is just so sci-fi. Yeah, very much so. James you also mentioned in an email to me that some...you've stumbled upon some additional information about the creation of this system that you haven't been able to blog about yet. Can you give us some of those details? Yeah, that's kind of goes back to the origin of humanity on this planet originating from this cluster from Orion. I was able to find through a link on one of these Russian sites which is really interesting that if I key in some of these buzzwords or words that I'm finding in this literature

30:57 Google, I don't doesn't pop up. It doesn't even come through as a Russian website So I have like a specific directory. I got to get you to get this information But there's a really nice timeline of basically the beginning of time Through I want to say 2012 2013 2014 and I haven't gotten too yet but looking forward again Digesting that and kind of putting it out on the table and saying hey You know take a look at this anybody seen anything like this anybody know anything about this? It's kind of one of the posts that I'd like to get out here within the next couple weeks. Yeah, man! I find that really interesting because I've had several guests talk about the Vatican's fascination with Orion and that their observatories are pointed in that direction and that a lot of their artwork is coded

31:42 Orion Nebula and that's strange but every time I bring it up to someone that's what they say is it alludes to the fact that The Vatican has some indications. That's where life comes from And so, I think there's a parallel there that's really interesting It's interesting you also point out about having to go to a specific data archive and this is why six months ago, eight months ago I was obsessed with the deep web and the idea that there could be huge troves of written research out there that are just below the surface of the internet where Google will not take you. And this Hattie Bob material reminds me of the kind of thing you would find in the deep web if you were skilled enough and savvy enough to get down there but i just love it. Oh it's fascinating

32:30 Google has such a chokehold on information, but I wanted to point out to everybody. Very few people understand at the bottom of the Google search engine you can pick up certain country to search in and while it doesn't open up huge avenues, you will occasionally find that you do get search returns that are not just the same old, this is what Google thought you wanted to see kind of thing. I think some of the Hattie Bobb research would be really worthwhile if we could take keywords and go search just Russia and the Russian-speaking areas." Let's talk about this section on James' blog about how Hattie Bobb's God communicates. I mean, what is Hattie Bobb's God? Is this the spider beans we're talking about? That...I don't know again This is all speculation you know is it uh.. I get the sense that if there was a spider race that they were dying and

33:21 Either they a needed our bodies, our earth, our atmosphere or resources and so forth to survive. Or if these actual entities still exist in some way shape or form I haven't been able to basically get the analysis of that at this point. So it's something i'm still working on but needless to say something is triggering a signal there's something that basically sending information, program data to Earth. But I don't know at this point what that origin would potentially be. Crowe do you have any ideas on that one? Yeah, I guess kind of where I landed what I thought was probably most likely was similar to what you just said but What we see in the system described is almost like an absentee landlord Which is very vexing. You know why don't we why aren't they around if these things exist? But the real sense of it I got was that

34:15 These beings aren't alone, there's other beings because they're preventing other beings from getting here in the description that you laid out in the kind of breakdown on how this system works. And to me it implied that there was a god of some sort above everybody. There were clearly supposed to be other beings because they were being prevented from getting her by this race that implemented the control system we see. That's kinda where I landed." Right on! Yeah, it's strange. I kind of thought of it as like he talks about horse diplomas being typical university diplomas in a tongue-in-cheek way.

34:53 tongue-in-cheek thing to describe these overlords like they're just so, they have so much power over us. They're essentially a god but again it could be anything and this section is largely about the signal of the controller or the communication behind the scenes that is controlling our game you know who is delivering the message how is the message transmitted what is the medium for the message and who is receiving the message and how do the orders for this control grid get sent around and this is something I'll just read right from your blog James it says regardless of the origin of the signal, the super system is the initial source of information in programming. The sun creates the initial message or starts the program through an electromagnetic source code tuned into 128th octave. I believe this octave resets everything on earth biological structure

35:45 brain or otherwise. I mean that's interesting we're talking about the signals that control this system coming out of the Sun right? Exactly, yep and again he makes mention that the Sun isn't a star it's a planet and the planet is no larger than that of Planet Earth. That's been referenced a couple times in his works. That's interesting too and with that always like kind of is jarring for me to hear but I guess it's just kind of a weird A weird semantical thing with definitions because I guess what is a planet? What is a star anymore when we're talking about the context of this work. I mean, I feel like those concepts are almost out the window in themselves.

36:26 Well it almost seems like one of the genotypes that he references, one of the smaller groups, the golden million or billion I don't remember the numbers came from the sun right James? Isn't that kind of implication here is there was a group of people and probably one of the most special groups came from the sun. Yeah exactly again in this directory that was difficult to find in Russia. There's quite a bit of information on that situation, I think it happened in 2012 if I'm remembering that correctly but yeah, it's just a very fascinating insight you would never think that beings would be on the planet Sun and they would be transported to Earth at a specific time interval

37:09 It's one of the things I want to dig into. I think I got a little bit more information on that, that I gotta sort through and kind of summarize as well. Right on! And then regarding the moons role James you write... In this sense, the UFO moon, the lunar wave phenomenon that Crow and others have captured makes some sense. The moon communicates data to Earth. Hatibov mentions that the magnetic source code is 84th octave and communication to Earth is only possible after the spring equinox for approximately 3 months. I believe Hatibov states that window to long distance communication back to planet Sir

37:52 occurs every 11.4 years." Now I love that paragraph because if we assume that's true it gives us a real context for why the elite structure their events around certain dates and numbers, Yeah, exactly. And you know it was interesting that at specifically 11.4 years – definitely not an astrophysicist but the idea there is that every 11.4 years the energy of the solar system more or less waxes and wanes so at this 11.4 year time period its lowest point allows this data to be transferred between the moon and potentially this planet Sir on some far off galaxy. So the specifics again, it goes to it I mean if this is sci-fi he's got so many details and so many data points that are just

38:40 acutely tuned into different things. It's just a very interesting puzzle to make sense of. At one point I had tried to match up that piece of the literature to Sun Cycles and had found, I've forgotten what it is there was some sun cycle that was 11 years or in that neighborhood but what's interesting about what he said about communication was if you consider that it happens at the vernal equinox this is when there's all this abundant energy on the planet you know all these things are coming back to life, things are being born plants are blooming and he makes that window for three months which is basically when you do see the boom of life and growth down here. And when you consider the filming of The Lunar Wave on Yom Kippur of all days in 2012 it's also kind of funny to think about

39:27 that is a download an information download when yom kippur as i understand it and i'm not jewish uh... in some aspects of it is like asking for you know forgiveness and um... bed the finger of god coming down that kind of thing so like he said the details are crazy if at all just sci-fi Right. And then another thing you write, James about the message itself is you say in Hattie Bowes paradigm we have the transference of system programs from our solar system neighbors-the sun and moon and other moons The message ultimately dictates life on the planet, whether it be rain needed in Wisconsin drought needed in the Sahara Desert mosquitoes needed in Moscow or babies needed in the Caucasus Mountains. If the message is a reset to cycle time on Earth, the Sun transmits directly to Earth if the messages are in regard to requested change of the planet earth, the inhabitants of the moon either create the message and communicate to planet earth or relay a program

40:24 dictated from Sir to the planet Earth and that's really interesting because that talks about I mean again with the details what is the message, what is the program that needs to happen? And that dictates kind of where it will come from how will be implemented and I love the idea that every little thing in a our environment from like you said is a is are babies needed in the Caucus Mountains, is it drought needed in the Sahara Desert all those things could be programmed by this spider bean control grid. Exactly! You know and again who's at the top of the pyramid I mean

41:00 You just get the sense when you read his literature that it's basically this continuous loop. You've got signal being transferred, it's being metabolized on Earth by other systems, it's been implemented by various frequencies and octaves and its doing different things and it is relaying a feedback loop back to these control centers like the Moon and Sun and Sir every 11.4 years I mean I mean, it's this indefinite cycle that's going around and around. And what exactly is the endgame of this? That's the question and I don't know. Stan Mallow Hmm...I mean yeah it's hard to know. It's definitely hard to know now. This is something that I think is really interesting in

41:38 compelling and jives with mainstream science, but I know you plan to do an entire breakdown of the octaves. And i'm anxious for that! And I'm sure it will be great but for now it seems as though Hattie Bov considers these things called gravity tubes to be the medium in which these programs are delivered. He says that the tubes are essentially the conduit that keeps planetary bodies in place, allows UFOs to travel and transmits and receives information." Now I'm sure some people are listening this is some far-out sci fi saga but allow me make this connection here that i think puts some serious fuel on the fire a few weeks ago someone sent me this story you can find it on almost any scientific website out there

42:19 particular one I grabbed for my notes here was from June 3rd of this year, student confirms that there are enormous tubes of plasma floating around the earth and the article says that a 60-year old theory about the structure magnetic fields that surround the earth has been confirmed directly for the first time. The lead author of the paper is an undergraduate student who invented a way to view the Earth's magnetosphere in three dimensions and they find that these tubes are positioned about 373 miles above the ground in the upper ionosphere and they appear to be continuing upwards into the plasmasphere. Now, this is just a mainstream science article talking about some plasma tubes and of course they aren't going to come to the same conclusions as we are with this stuff but the parallel I mean it's sure it's pretty creepy really definitely yes I should take a look at that article but I mean you basically have

43:09 Guys like John Keel and Jacques Vallee, all these individuals have been going on about this electromagnetic energy that's around the planet. It makes things happen and you get into the secret societies and the studies of occult wisdom and vibration. Yeah, I mean it to me you know and i'm not a scientist and I can't mathematically prove this up but it feels like it's all connected like there's all these various disciplines in research are connected you know doesn't need could be mainstream science coming up with something but that ties back to something maybe 200 years ago that was written by an occultist in England who knows? But that's my sense of all this right. You know James

43:48 You should mention that image, you remember the image we were talking about on that one kind of Hattie Bob website that still carries his name? That says the caption under it is The Tube. The Tube with the electrical lighting? Yeah, there's like this It looks like a massive rope but like the size of a building of electrical kind of lightning bolts going straight up And it's just this image on like a Hattie Bob website that carries his name. I don't know whether with a blog I've forgotten but the caption under it is the tube sure huh? I mean, it's so crazy But when you look at the pictures from this kids'

44:26 thing you developed where you can see the ionosphere in three dimensions, it looks like big vacuum tubes. You know just they almost look gaseous and that they don't look like necessarily as solid has something like a vacuum tube they look like they kind of flux but there out their apparently and science is confirming it when science doesn't know what therefore but they might have just basically uncovered component up the control grid Exactly. Yep, I mean it's a critical piece this is like I kind of try to summarize as best I could it's the medium through which these different programs are being downloaded and uploaded for feedback yeah again it's a fascinating piece to the puzzle

45:10 Now this, I'm about to say is probably one of my most favorite elements. It gets really crazy but this is when you get into the receiver of the programs You know, the programs come through The Sun They come through Sir to the Moon To us And then when it gets down to the Earth The receiver of these programs We're breaking down these messages and the programs that run the system they come from the controllers down to these plasma tubes They are received by management system on the earth that consists of 2,000 complexes and structures under the surface of the earth as well as their various UFOs. Apparently there are nine parent complexes Can you walk us through the locations of these complexes and what Hattie Bob says they're for?

45:54 Sure, yeah. The main nine... the first one that he makes mention of is Australia this more or less maintains and produces changes required to the Earth's geography topography second one he has listed is the Great Lakes now he does say that it's not.. It's a location I want to say 200 kilometers west of New York City and here you have basically the command control center of what he specifically says are 7909 UFOs on the planet Wow And then we get into this Mount Kailash, Kalish over in Tibet China. This is the main control system of what he called the program again I'm not 100% as to what part of the program that is but

46:36 It controls the atmosphere and the various genotypes around the world. There's another one in China, Tibet. It sets the controls of the world and it sets standards for all facilities on a planet. I'm not 100% sure but I didn't find a whole lot of information on what the definition is of facility. So that I'm not quite sure on. Number five, Ethiopia This is the main control center that ensures that tubes or communication stay open with the satellites of planets so here is basically the area that if you want these various tubes to be in connection with the moon, the sun other satellites of a solar system this is all maintained and

47:16 controlled at this point in Ethiopia. Moscow, this is the main UFO on earth and here it's mentioned that all the matrices of brains 42 44 and 46 are stored here Greenland manages the brain of the atmosphere and the weather. Ireland, it's the main computing center of a system and then we have finally Antarctica this synchronizes the shift from winter to summer so below each of these are more control centers that I didn't spell them all out for the sake of the post but there is a diagram on my blog that highlights in Russian various hierarchy of those top nine control centers and the sub controls below that. And so it's quite intense, you know?

48:01 It's very detailed and there is a different control center that accommodates a different part of the program. Right, I mean talk about those nine places in the planet and what each one is specifically for... The level of detail obviously is intriguing but it also how does a person even get this information? It almost seems channeled or something but Crow any thoughts on the nine parent complexes and what we just mentioned there? Yeah, you know it's so funny because when you start to dig into the historical information that we have on any of these places. You start to see parallels but the one that really stuck out to me was the UFO control center in The Great Lakes because there has absolutely been just so much recorded unknown aerial activity in Michigan and The Great Lakes area although most of it is kind of TV crap that comes to us and the UFO books I don't

48:55 think are much value. Truth is that there have been a lot of reports of this kind of thing, so as you dig into each of these areas or even Ireland, there's so many people now working to show the Scottish Rites Freemasonry in that part of the world how it connects all these things that are going on we see, it's amazing and that is where you really start to get... I would even mention a movie recently called Radio Free Albumouth. At the time i didn't realize that was lifted from a Philip K Dick writing called Veilas but as I watched the movie My wife and I were laughing that it was like almost pulled directly from Hattie Bob a lot of they switched around a little bit But then I found out it was Philip K dick, and it's just you know you end up saying God How is there so much specificity in all this? It's crazy. I don't know what to add Well, I love that in this in this paradigm UFOs are accounted for he talks about

49:52 I'm being just machines in this control center. You look at a quarry of machinery that's digging out a rock quarry, there's all types of different machines and if you were like an ant living in that quarry in your natural universe, you're looking at all these multiple different types of machines. Of course with this paradigm they're little more cloaked than we are with caterpillars and bulldozers but it's kind of the same sort of thing Yeah, it's crazy. James and I were talking about some of the crazy things that I've shot transiting from the moon and how it kind of compares to Hattie Bobbs talking about shadow ships and other things that are basically just little worker drones

50:34 maintaining the system of basically deception i mean that's what we're talking about here but it's only a system of deception if something like this was to exist because the people who run this place have painted totally different picture where we are but um... yeah it's crazy to think uh... you know one filming with little black There's no description of it out there. It doesn't match the information for satellites and then here's this crazy Russian guy writing about UFOs saying yeah, that's terrestrial and it's you know working its maintaining the system It's a drone for the most part Yeah, it's crazy And I love that with these plasma tubes it's almost like because it also ties into octaves when you talk about how the

51:15 the missions or you know when I say missions, I mean something like causing a drought let's say in California like we're experiencing. It seems like the information comes through these plasma tubes in the form of an octave it's like these tubes could be the strings of a solar system sized guitar and then these octaves play through and things happen and uh... You do provide the example in your writing, James about how this stuff plays out and that is the scenario I just mentioned a drought in California or more specifically the spider overlords deciding that they want the strawberry yield in California to be significantly lower. Using this as an example can you walk us through how... The details of how this program comes into play and manifests?

51:59 Yeah, sure. I used strawberries only because I've got a brother that is out in California and thought it's as good of an example as any you know so yeah So if for whatever reason say the program or the origin of the program dictates that strawberries in California are not to be significantly greater than the previous years. And again, I don't know what the reason would be for that there's the idea that The Lunatics on the Moon and I say lunatics because that is a translation that came through when I did run it through their Google translator they make that decision so i'm making an assumption

52:35 the individuals on the moon make the decision strawberry yield will be less in 2015 versus 2014. After the spring equinox, the moon transmits through its tube as you had mentioned before a command and this command is made up of a string of octaves or various notes that are getting sent to planet Earth and that triggers Lesser Rain in California so the data string then would go from Moon to Chekhov. Chekhov is the main more more or less control center on the face of the earth and then it gets routed to Greenland. Greenland then transmits octaves into the atmosphere that reduces a number of rainstorms in California, so you're talking about weather manipulation through the use of frequencies and so forth which you've hinted on in some of your previous episodes I know. And then you've got the uh... the octave's charge highly organized plasma in the atmosphere

53:25 and through these specific charges reduce the likelihood of precipitation produced over the state of California. I did throw in the possibility that to get UFOs incorporated in this scenario, say for whatever reason the system has a glitch and there is a rainstorm that makes its way to California's. The UFO then is up in atmosphere it takes note of this exception something that's contrary to the overall program It then feeds that information essentially back to Greenland, where then Greenland adjusts the program to the original Luna program. Future rainstorms in theory are prevented and the original goal of reducing strawberry yields is performed so I try to kind of put it in... So even if I can make sense all this information, I tried to put it into a context of specific example. Yeah man! That's an amazing breakdown and really kinda brings down to earth on what

54:18 When people talk about a holographic universe or controlled environment, I mean these are the details that we need to not just be kind of talking out of our ass. This makes sense. Crowe what do you think in here? Well, every time I go over that or hear the Haps talk with James about it and I was reading his blog. You know if something like that was reality it would put a new spin on resources wouldn't it? There's so much water here and its going where its going doesn't matter what you do You know, it's a funny thing. I'm not suggesting that people should just ignore rationing water in California or anything but I'm just saying it really is kind of an alternative view on if this is a closed system what's here is here and its allocated where its allocated almost independent of whatever we do in a model like this. Yeah, that is a great point but of course were not going to throw everything

55:14 to the wind and take up the religion of Hattie Bow, but you're right. I mean that is interesting and James You've also talked a little bit about how you think this stuff jives with the Electric Universe model something we've talked about before on the air Do you think these things do complement each other? Yeah, I do. You know, I don't have a complete understanding of the Electric Universe model you know? I get the idea that there's all this electricity that basically provides the foundation to our existence and planets and that so again it's another future post I really want to explore with some of the Saturn information and so forth but

55:49 But the thing that I actually, even more so than that. I really think there's correlation with some of the research I've done on Oregon and some other work of Wilhelm Reich and Trevor James Constable these are some individuals who kind of subscribe to the belief of Oregon. Wilhelm Reich is actually the individual who did that he has this book contact with space that he wrote in the 1950s, right before he was imprisoned and all of his books were burned. And a lot of his notes kind of another outcast scientist who's kind of on the forefront of a lot of different ideas back in the 40s and 50s. He actually went to battle with UFOs in Tucson Arizona so he and his group took some cloud busting technology

56:34 Out into the desert, these UFOs formed. They were monitoring him. The goal there was that Reich and his group is going to basically transform the desert into a soil that could produce crop and vegetation. And he makes mention that these UFOs had this deadly organ radiation if I remember that correctly where these UFOs are basically in place they're hovering and they're basically trying to keep this climate in place Reich and his fearless group of Oregon cloud-busting techs are fighting these UFO's. And I just see a lot of similarity with some of that Oregon research, the idea of these, of Hattie Bowes' research in the atmosphere and this energy and this life force and so forth. Yeah man that is fascinating!

57:19 I've heard that story before of Wilhelm Reich and his cloud-busting gun, but I never really put together the fact that he is talking about... He's shooting stuff into the air. It's messing with the control system! So if there is a system in place and there are UFOs and machines that kind of dictate its usage Then to have someone come and throw a wrench in that is going to draw the attention of these machines And then he gets into a conflict with them, but this also jives with crow has a few pieces of footage He's captured of chemtrails and UFO chemtrail planes and UFOs near each other again maybe the layer is that

57:57 The United States government and some shady corporations are manipulating the weather, and then UFOs are coming in saying hey what's going on here? You know we've been running this system for so long. No one has been manipulating it now for a couple decades you're flying things into it we gotta fix this but It is interesting because that you have filmed something Crow that show the connection between whether manipulation and UFOs There's no doubt, and of all the things that I have filmed so many people ask me are they aliens? And I always say I believe they're terrestrial based. But these things that you see in these kind of white looking plasma-y orbs looking in the chemtrail even one firing into the chemtrail clearly being steered independent of the wind if anything I had filmed is bizarre enough to consider it would be those

58:41 though I still think they're terrestrial. I would mention, I've got a lot of friends that have the whole Orgon cannon thing going on trying to keep the skies clear so that they can film and do other things or just have clean air and they get SO much attention from chemplains literally circling where they've go their cannon, choppers military vehicles just being in the area when they normally wouldn't be. So I mean, I think there's something definitely to this and who can deny that these Oregon cannons work? We see it! We see that these Oregon cannons will punch a hole in chem cover It's not really debatable thing. It has been filmed and shown enough times that we know that is real thing yet we don't have any

59:26 scientific mainstream description of war gone that I'm aware of and what we are aware is the man who came up with this was really kind of jailed and suppressed film it's all very crazy but i would say of all the things I filmed those orbs are kinda the most vexing things. I mean, what the heck are we looking at there? Yeah yeah... And this kinda connects us to another part of James' blog that I think is really interesting section about the fuel source of these crafts. Tritium, I believe is what you call it right? Yes yep yeah that's what Hattie Bow had basically pointed out. Yep tritium is the element And this is interesting because tritium apparently has a connection to water and that explains why so many UFO reports involve water or witnessing of UFOs siphoning up water and things like that which I've definitely heard reported

1:00:18 I know, it's amazing. I told Crow this the other day, it's almost as if you have a unified field theory to explain for these various UFO encounters on the face of the Earth. It's amazing! But yeah, that is exactly what it is – it's a fuel source, is what Hattie Bowen was arguing that these UFOs need this in order to perform their functions on the planet You had a very interesting tidbit again. The details here are amazing He makes mention that you have the specific gravity of water at one gram per centimeter cubed when you remove Tritium, you now have water with a specific gravity of 0.77 grams per centimeter cubed so

1:00:54 Again, the detail here. You know? Yeah! I could add something here too in terms of a scientific value of what Hattie Bob did There were some physicists who had come to my channel and you know not impressed with Hattie Bob so what they did is they were going to take his speed of light...I think it was speed of light I'm not sure i've got that 100% but I believe it was a speed of light calculation and they were going to test it with their ability as physicists. And they came back and stated that yeah his calculations are absolutely right, but he's using the wrong constant this wrong kind of formula to begin with

1:01:30 And that just kind of really stuck out to me, that they were saying it's all correct but he is using something else to get where he is going that we don't accept and that kind of plays into the whole horse diploma new world science thing that you talked about. But in terms of details and his science working out this just goes to show there is so much specificity here and some of its been kinda carried through to demonstrate that there is valid science here Mm-hmm. I totally agree part of the game plan seems to be you screw with the initial premise and then you let these academic types do whatever they want with that because they're always going to come to erroneous conclusions when they start from a faulty premise. And maybe what we're looking at here is the 180, the flip of that. You know, Hattie Bov is dealing with the suppressed information, the secret components and working out formulas that a typical scientist can look at it and say yeah, that formula makes sense

1:02:28 you know, structurally but they can't really rationalize it because they don't have that missing component. And I think that's really the basis of so much manipulation in math and science and music all these components seem to really jive together but there is a little piece of it that has been cut out in quarantine so no one ever really puts the pieces together You know, I often wonder if something as simple as base 10 counting could be the limiting factor for us here on this planet. And the reason I say that is because in computers you use hexadecimal which is basically a base 15 a lot even movies being made now where they're showing all this kind of high-tech chicanery going on with computer companies at a high level They're all counting in hex

1:03:13 hexadecimal you know that's how it's being portrayed and the reason i think it interesting is because we're told this supposed ancient sumerian race was counting in base sixty and when you think about that so really the first civilization that ever came around with counting in base sixty uh... it makes sense to count in base ten because the first people would use their fingers and toes right so how the heck do you get to base sixty but the reason I'm mentioning this is what if being able to take what we know further was as simple as not counting in base 10 and that's what I always think about when i kind of see the Hattie Bob stuff. Nice. Yeah, that makes sense and James in your piece about UFOs you Very eloquently say that when you start looking into this You usually start with the standard extraterrestrial hypothesis then move to a military industrial hypothesis then a crypto terrestrial one Then to the ultra dimensional hypothesis and I think up to that point you are really accurate in describing my

1:04:12 progress through ufology and I think a lot of people those are the conclusions that kind of bounce around the little pinball machine to try to determine what the truth is and I'm curious in your research in the length of time you've been looking at UFOs now that you have this new context for the Hattie Bobb control system Have there been things you've seen in the past with ufology that you would say equate here? That jive with this idea Well, definitely the you know so many examples of UFOs taking water like you had mentioned previously to that. I really love John Keele and he gets ripped on quite a bit for kind of jumping around in his material but i thought he did a great job and I think Operation Trojan Horse in the 8th Tower where basically one of the first ones that actually read were he talked about UFOs and the idea

1:05:02 be in a field of vision or the electromagnetic spectrum where it's not visible to the human eye and then suddenly it'll pass through and go from red to blue, disappearing. You've got nothing there, turns into blue, shifts through colors like rainbow and exits out on red. And you think about that in context this control system I mean to me stuff like that does die. I'm not saying that is reality situation but So much of this when you read the Hattie Bowe stuff he talks about these UFOs having the technology to bend light and to mix the colors of the rainbow on a spectrum. More or less kind of create a camouflage that allows these things to basically float around in atmosphere and monitor the planet so, you know the crypto terrestrial stuff again I'm coming with you i think that's fascinating there is really good book by Mac Tony's on

1:05:57 You know, one of the habitats is Layer 4 of the Earth and that's where UFOs reside. I mean that's below Earth. And suddenly you have something that's accounting for these ships that are docked below the earth that so many people have talked about in books and research. It's to me, to be honest with you, I told Crow this it was the idea of his UFOs and just really resonated with me in context to the Hattie Bowe stuff written about UFOs So I don't know if that makes any sense but that's kind of where I'm at with the UFO thing here. Absolutely, those are great points and very awesome well James thanks so much for doing this I know it can be nerve-wracking and it's easy to just say no but I'm glad you're willing to step up onto the THC stage with us. I am sure you'll get a fair amount of added attention which is well deserved please remind people where they can actually follow your blog and read over much what we talked about today in the other things are going to be doing

1:06:57 Sure, yeah it's just Sage Sigma. Unbound is the blog site and if anybody wants to get a hold of me with Hattiebaum material or whatnot it's SageSigma at gmail.com and then I also have a Twitter handle sage Sigma so Standard social media stuff, but just really hoping all this opens up further doors to be explored right on So you call it Sage Sigma unbound? But I guess the address is sage sigma dot blog blog spot comm Correct sorry about that yeah Yep, it's the standard Google blog account yep right on and crow I know you have this 10,000 mile road trip coming up anything You'd like to say about that

1:07:35 yeah i am going to be taken off on my kind of now today i'm trying to try to beat undercover brother about all that uh... that is the next big thing will be doing but before we get off from james and i had kind of talked and decided it might be important to do a reach out to russia um or other russian speaking nations that may be more familiar with howdy bob than we are that maybe able to give up links data uh... some insight where we could learn more. I mean, we're all just wondering is this sanitized? Is this sci-fi but so much of it is so detailed and seems to have value but anyhow in closing yes the next big thing I'm going to do is the road trip on the road trip I'll be doing the same things I always do I'll be filming for chemtrails in a roughly 30 states I will be doing some optical terrestrial tests to challenge some of the conventions about what we were told

1:08:27 this place where we live and some other tests that I won't talk about but that will be the next big thing coming up. Right on, yeah definitely think putting out a call to Russia is fair if there's any Russian listeners definitely maybe you can put this in some context of just who the man was i'm pretty curious about that like most average Russians I would assume should be able to dig their internets and find some information about the man himself. And you know, if you do You've got their emails. You've got mine, you know, you can always have Putin give me a call I'm down love that I'd love to get to the bottom of some of this stuff But one criticism I guess I'd point out in that realm is I hope people aren't sick of us talking about this stuff I find it fascinating and I don't think we do a show unless we can move the needle further into understanding and I think that

1:09:16 Adding James to this call was perfect for that, but people are critical. They say well what's the big deal? It's it's a trove of information and needs to be translated into English just do it Just I want someone the guy from Houston Skywatch suggested using fiverr I know that is a website that does that but I've used them before for music And its deceptive how cheap it really is actually To read pages and pages and pages would be quite a bit of money and not to say that Quite a bit of money can't be gathered to do that But I don't think anyone here is being deceptive in any way, but it's been alluded that we're leaking. We're having the information come out slowly so we can milk the saga and that isn't in no way what I'm trying to do. And I think what we pointed out today, we got into as much detail as we can which has fought with as far as your research has gone with both of you guys and I'm totally open like we're not hiding the information

1:10:09 publicly available. We've got links in both Crow's articles and James' first post on Hattiebob also has the link directly to the material, the archive so anyone can pull it up and start digging through it I mean James is here today because he's actually looked at it at such a dense level and kind of clarified it for everyone that I just had to share on the air but no one's being deceptive here. The information is there, read through yourself if you find some conclusions let us know any Russian researchers who can maybe even even if you're not a researcher just Russian speaking people who can add some clarity to what's going on here would be well appreciated but

1:10:48 That said, it's been very awesome guys. Thanks so much of course Crow with two R's C-R-R-O W 777 is Crow's YouTube channel Sage Sigma dot blogspot is James' website Guys thanks so much take care yourself out there Yeah, thanks for having us. I appreciate you guys' time! Thanks man good to see you guys and thanks so much James i think it's fair to say you are the preeminent English-speaking Hattie Bob guy now Well thanks that's very flattering. I'll do my best yeah For sure all right peace out guys Boom people there we have it. I like doing the three men show It's a little harder to control the audio quality but I think that was pretty good despite a little interference

1:11:32 I love hearing more details about this material and James really breaks it down. There was a part where James mentioned that Hattie Bove states everything starts with plasma, and I don't know which hour of the Richard Merrick show touched on this but even he considered the start to be spinning plasma disk. So when you take Richard Merrick and Santo Bonacci and Crowe and James in this Hattie Bove breakdown just in the last 3 or 4 shows there are so many aspects of these guest material interconnect. I also love the nine major control centers and the idea that UFOs are the maintenance crew for our galactic aquarium, Of course in The Plus Show we're all over the place speculating and discussing this stuff Also Crow blast NASA pretty good for their flyby mission to Pluto. I love to poke holes in the presentation on NASA's stuff making me wonder what the hell really is up there if NASA missions are all fake

1:12:25 We also talked about the ritual aspects of the Pluto stuff with NASA and Chris Knowles' post from the Secret Sun blog at secretsun.blogspot.com, a site well worth checking out I was turned on to Chris Knowles via Gordon White and i'm hoping we can get him on the show eventually...I think were going too But either way this one was a good one And it's an important realization that so much of modern sciences thinking hinges on just a few key scientists and institutions, then we catch them lying. We're really left wandering in the dark trying to figure this reality out for ourselves You know, I got into a pretty dark conspiracy recently that discussed Stephen Hawking and how apparently he was uncovering some very revealing scientific information early on and was starting to get a little too vocal about it. So instead of just killing him off they made him a vegetable and started speaking through him like a puppet

1:13:14 A very dark idea, but think about the serious influence of that man and how the ideas we're told came from him have shaped modern science and our thoughts about space. Hawking is considered an infallible god of science—a true authority—and this is reinforced by establishment media meetings with Obama and TED Talks and appearances on The Big Bang Theory... And we might really be dealing with a Weekend at Bernie's situation! I don't know, but I found it interesting in the wake of this topic of just how much our mental picture of reality is shaped by authority and how his piece of the puzzle might fit in. Just imagine being stuck in that vegetative state just aching to cry out, they're using me! They're lying to you. But ya just can't." Oh man... Creepy but either way Crow shows are always a blast big thanks to him and James Again SageSigma.Blogspot.com To check out what James is doing The link for him and Crow will be included with the show I'm getting outta here but it is your move spider beings of the clockwork control scheme Your fricken move

1:14:16 Calwood, it's your show now So what's it gonna be? Cause people will tune in to Hear another new conspiracy Almost too much of We thought this was low It's bad getting worse so Where'd all the good people go They're on the higher side chats cause its everybody's favorite show Where'd all the good people go? He got your Mars, gold and white And then there's Crow

1:14:58 They talk this and that on the highest side Chat testing one, two Now what you gonna do? Bad news misused Got too much to lose Give me some truth now Who's side we on Whatever you say Turn on the boob tube I'm in a mood to obey So lead me astray By the way now Where'd all the good people go? They locked them up it seems For protesting Monsanto Where'd all the good people go? They're on the THC, my favorite show Sitting down New episode to hear Wanna light a bolt but I fear the police Can you hear me? Can't interrupt me from this friendly conversation Been waiting all week for THC

1:16:05 With the car wood, there's no hesitation Exposing the truth getting to the elite Scams schemes conspiracies and treason It's an excellent show what I need to know Where'd all the good people go? Been only getting hate and fear from all the other hoes Where'd all the good people go Guess that makes THC my favorite show

1:16:47 Where'd all the good people go? They talk this and that on the highest side Chat testing, one two now what you gonna do Bad news misused gotta give me some truth You got too much to lose Who's side are we on today anyway Okay whatever you say Wrong and resolute but in the mood to obey Station to station desensitizing The nation going gone